#89 July 10th 2025 Prosecutors Cross the Line

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Nazis and a Sample Legal Brief
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City of Enumclaw Police desires to purchase license plate readers.
Governor Bob Ferguson lusts to listen in on the confession booth.
This and more on podcast number 89 in the year of our Lord 2025.

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It is time to consider Nazis and to sample legal brief Gay
sidewalks.
City of Enumclaw police desiresto purchase license plate
readers.
Governor Bob Ferguson lusts tolisten in on the confession
booth.
This and more on podcast number89 in the year of our Lord,

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2025.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Welcome to the Consider podcast, where we
examine today's wisdom, follyand madness.
More information can be foundat wwwconsiderinfo.
Now here are your hosts,timothy and Jacob.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
How's it going, Jacob ?
It's going good.
Yep, definitely into summertime.
Hey got a question for you,always got a question.
We got to pick on you a littlebit.
Always got a question.
We got to pick on you a littlebit.
What do you think all theprosecutors and the judges and
the minions that enforce theircorruption have learned from all

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of this stuff in the Malcolmfirst?
What do you think the lesson isthat they've learned?

Speaker 4 (01:25):
The lesson that they've learned is to ignore it
in hopes that it goes away.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
That would be lesson number one, and of course, by
now that we're not the usualtypical just go away.
So they haven't learned thatlesson, correct.
But in fact I may have to quitbecause I get too old and have
too many birthdays, but one dayin eternity it will never come
to an end.
In the meantime, what's in themeantime?
What's the second lesson thatthey learned second lesson that

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they've learned oh, they'velearned this one.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
They've learned well I'm, uh, I guess they they've
learned that they have to bemore crafty in their evilness
amen and you put that together.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I was to say they know how to go deeper into the
darkness.
Yes, yeah, they've gottenquieter.
They hide more.
What do you think the odds areof cameras being allowed in the
courtroom?
Probably done.
Yeah, it was.
It was slim to begin with,correct, clearly, which is by
God's miracle grace of blindingthem.

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They let us in there becausewe've got all this recorded.
You know, praise a strong word,but it would be nice to see a
legal college that has a realemphasis on defending the
Constitution and people's rights.
We have so much information.
This could be a lesson in acourse itself.
On multiple levels.

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It's a perfect example ofcorruption.
Now, I'm not telling you therearen't worse corruptions, I'm
just meaning it's a perfectexample from beginning to end,
before it ever went to trial,and what the police were doing.
I mean, we have tons ofevidence all the way up till now
on how the courts just continueand everybody in authority.
They're all kind of looking,but not looking at this because

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it's kind of out there, but theydon't do anything about it.
They just go back into thedarkness.
They add one more scheme, onemore rule.
You're not going to be able tocall and do the things that we
did, because the lesson theylearned was oh, that was an open
door to actually have tointeract with people and come to
account.
You know, is that making sensethere?

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Yeah, that makes sense.
I was thinking of Isaiah,chapter 28, verse 14, about this
as I was thinking about it.
Okay, well, clearly theyhaven't learned much.
But Isaiah goes to the peopleand he says therefore, hear the
word of the Lord, you scofferswho rule this people in
Jerusalem.
This is what Isaiah said to thescoffers.

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So then the word of the Lordwill become to them.
It's verse 13.
Do and do and do and do, ruleon rule, rule on rule, a little
here, a little there, so thatthey will go and fall backward,
be injured, snared and captured.

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See, what they've done isthey'll layer on more laws,
right, more do and do, more ruleon rule.
And it's all to hide, to bury,to mask or just to flat out lie
about a situation.
They're going backwards.
So the real lesson that all ofI would imagine this
reverberates all the way throughWashington state.
I mean, you have theAssociation of Prosecuting

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Attorneys recommending onelittle sliver of injustice in
the Malcolm Frazier trial thatthey can just hold on and use,
while ignoring the completecorruption and lie of Judge Lori
K Smith and all of these people.
So they're falling backwards,they just go more and more into
darkness.
Any comments on that?
No other than it's true theyhaven't certainly fallen forward

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to talk about the Constitutionor to deal with this situation
would be so easy to deal with,but I don't want to get too
sidetracked.
So things are bad, right, jacob?
Correct?
I mean, it's pretty obviousthat the legal system is broken.
Yes, and I say broken in termsof we think of zero, but it's

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really past zero.
Yeah, it's into the completesliding downward into where we
know this thing is headed.
I mean, you have Washingtonstate luring children away from
the parents, which they've beendoing for decades, but now with
the intention of perverting themsexually and using them for

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their own self-righteousgratification, as the children
mutilate their genitals, wherethey're in a place where their
mind isn't even fully developedand they're supposed to be
allowed to make all of thedecisions.
Right, correct, all right.
So that's like today, that'slike now.
So we run this, let's run theclock out five more years or

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worse, let's go at 10.
We're not even going to discusswhere it would be at, because
it would just be vile to eventalk about it.
Yeah, all right, so I need youto go back in time with me.
We're going to look at this asan example.
Suppose you were a prosecutorin Germany in 1933, the year

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1933 in Germany.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
So let's just imagine you were a prosecutor, so
you're closing your eyes, you'rewrapping that around, you're
getting in your head so the warhasn't started.
If I'm in 1933, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
Did you go to public?

Speaker 4 (06:36):
school at all.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Sure did yeah, yeah, okay, that's the part that's
coming out.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yeah, just confirming as we go back in time where I
am.
I'm giving you a hard time.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
I would have had to look it up too, but I was in the
last when public school wasbarely doing anything.
Yes it is before.
Okay, before the war.
The actual fires and the shotsand all that stuff.
1933 is very early on.
Yes, okay, all right, so you'rea prosecutor, the laws are
basically decent, the Nazis havenot risen to power, the

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influence is pretty standard,like, okay, this is just the
normal injustice or the legalsystem that was going on.
So it's before the war.
Yeah, well, between 1933 and1939, you began to see the
effect of the Nazis moving intothe legal system.
Most people don't realize thattechnically, the gassing of the

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Jews was all legal.
I mean, that was the defensethey used at the Nuremberg
trials.
Well, I was just following thelaw.
So every prosecutor inWashington state and I'm just
kind of limiting to Washingtonstate there's a question for you
.
At what point do you decide,and have to decide, that I have

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to rebuke the system, that Ihave to expose it, that I can no
longer be a part of it?
In other words, like 1933, theypass the initial discriminatory
laws, and I'm reading it here alittle bit.
They passed the initialdiscriminatory laws, and I'm
reading it here a little bit theNazi regime, upon assuming
power in January of 1933,quickly enacted laws to exclude
Jews from public andprofessional life, aligning with

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their anti-Semitic ideologyoutlined in the 1920 Nazi Party
program.
That all make sense program.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
That all makes sense.
Um, yeah, except I, I actuallydidn't know.
1920 nazi party program wasalready so anti-jew so I didn't
think of it as a political party.
Oh, okay.
Oh, the nazi party, okay, butstill, even that means yes.
In the 1920s, when they firststarted thinking up this stuff,
I didn't realize thatanti-semitism went back to 1920.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yes, and Hitler had that formulated.
It was in his books Mein Kampfand all these.
So people knew it was there.
Yeah, so when you look atGovernor Bob Ferguson, and he
attacks a grandmother becauseshe won't arrange flowers for a
gay wedding and he purposely setout to do that, and, of course,

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flowers for a gay wedding, andhe purposely set out to do that.
And of course this is the sametime that King County
prosecutors decided they didn'tlike Christianity and came in
and began to make it look vileand that kind of thing.
What I'm getting at is but doesany of this surprise us?
Because the Democratic Partyhas decided to defile everything
moral and everything good.
Right, yes, remember, governorFerguson wants to institute the

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Misinformation Bureau.
So they've already told us thatit's happening, that it's going
to take place.
Eventually it's going to stop,just like the Nazi Party.
It's going to just kind ofexplode on the scene here a
little bit.
Right now they're a little bitpushback by by trump, but that's
not going to last.
There's, in fact, that's justgoing to make this whole impure

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agenda explode.
Explode when they get back andthey won't give it up at that
point.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
It's like a soda and you shake it up like you know
it's going to explode it justhasn't done it yet.
And then if trump's gone andthe cap is off, it's going to go
.
It just hasn't done it yet.
And then if Trump's gone andthe cap is off, it's going to go
boom.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah Well, let me mention first too, the
Republicans are no betterbecause they're in this la-la
land, especially in WashingtonState, like, oh well, someday
we're going to win.
I'm going no, you're not.
There's nothing unique aboutwhat you're doing.
There's no pushback as fardoing there's no pushback.
There's, as far as I know,there's no hearings about all of

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this corruption that we've putout there.
There's really no pushback onany level.
It's all like well, we hopesomeday we get back in power we
can yeah, yeah, well that's myimpression.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
We'll hope once there , I feel like the republican
party agenda in washington stateis well, we just hope it gets
so bad that people like wake up,or you know what.
What I mean?
Like you're just you, you, the,they think the Republican
people think it will get betterbecause people will vote against
it Exactly, and it's just likeyou might as well begin your
party's platform with once upona time in Washington state Once

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upon a time.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It's just a fairy tale yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
It's just.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Which is just like the.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Nazis.
I mean, like good luck, you'renot going to stop the Nazi wave,
we can look back and see thatit was practically unstoppable.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
It was unstoppable and people would do the same
excuses they're doing today,like you could go to the average
person if it was a Democrat ormaybe even Republican I don't
know the average person theywould say, well, it'll have
checks and balances.
And I know what a lot of peopleare thinking right now.
I'm bringing up Nazi Germanyand that always leads up to the
gas chambers.
Right, and I'm going to leadinto some stuff and they're

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going to go oh yeah, there areno gas chambers in Washington
State.
Are you saying it's going toget to a place of a gas chamber?
Nobody's denying your religion.
In fact, Fergus and all them,they would poo-poo.
Denying your religion?
In fact, fergus and all them,they would poo poo.
No, no, we only attackgrandmothers because it's you
know, it's hunting season forgrandmothers, yeah, and things
like we only only go for achurch and use lies to do it.
And corruption, uh, you know,it was just, uh, one single

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little event here didn't meanmuch and we made some mistakes.
But you get my point, I getyour point.
So there's a lot.
People are just totally indenial We've talked about this
before that you really couldn'tstart a New Testament church
today.
It would be impossible and thiswill be important maybe if we
get to it.

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Same thing the environment isso increasingly more wicked and
I don't mean radical, radical,weird kind of things but the
only churches that are surviving, and especially washington
state, are lukewarm.
They don't even realize justhow really cold they are.
They should, there should besome serious wake-up call and

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push back and teachingchristians how to handle jury
duty.
Ain't happening, is it no?
I got a question about the sodapop thing.
Okay, very good analogy.
So you, if you shake up thebottle, can you still buy
bottles?
uh, yeah, you can still buybottles some places okay, so if
you shake up the bottle if Iremember right and you just set

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it down going, oh man, I shookit up and let it sit, it goes
flat, doesn't it?

Speaker 4 (13:04):
eventually.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, but if for it to not explode, I mean I think
it's you got to leave it in thefridge like a day or two or
something well, that's kind ofmy point I'm stretching your
example that the, the left noseor really the impure, know that
it's being shaken, the fizz isgoing out.
Yeah, the next they're going tohave to pop this thing soon
enough to keep the fizz or thehatred, or the whatever going on

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um, yeah, I know, lisa.
Like lisa manning, head of kingcounty prosecutors, she
literally said yeah, I'm proudof governor ferguson for passing
this new hate crime bill.
Well, I haven't seen anyarrests of those that beat up
christians down in se SeattlePark with a hate crime?
Yeah, exactly.
If Christians had done itdifference.

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Well, even if Christians hadn'tdone it, if she had her wethers
, it would be that you were downthere at the park increasing
hatred.
They would have arrested you,correct?
Uh, did you hear that trump isalso or really his highway
secretary, or whatever is sayingthat the gay pride enticement

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crosswalk just frame otherpeople, shove their religion and
their thoughts down our throatshas to go?
No, I didn't know that.
Yeah, we'll see what happensbecause this is a big idol to
governor ferguson in the stateof washington, especially in
seattle.
Yeah, and you know they've gotthat crosswalk that if you mar
it up or I mean it's a crosswalk.
Yeah, you know, if you marred oryou don't show respect, I don't

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know what yeah, we gotta kissit.
I don't know what yeah, it's afederal crime anyway.
It'll be interesting to see, uh, where that goes, because we
know bob ferguson's only followslaws he can manipulate the
hatred for within the state ofWashington, all right.
So eventually, 1933, theinitial discriminatory laws.

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Nazis come to power, say, yeah,jews are worthless, can't go
there.
Same thing, we're kicked out,we can't talk, you couldn't have
a kid in public school actuallyreflecting the gospel, we would
be hated and kicked out.
All right, and a very realthing.
We were run out of the city ofEnumclaw because we actually
were Christians.
Part of the reason we can't getany support by Christians is

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because we were Christians.
That rebuked a part of theirdoctrine whole sub thing.
That's also.
Just read your New Testament tosee what that's about.
All right, then in 1935, therewas the 19,.
Excuse me, in 1935, nuremberg.
Laws were passed that escalatedthe racial policies.
That's why when we won WorldWar II, we held the trials to

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hang these guys in Nuremberg.
Because 1935, nuremberg was thebig turning point when I
believe they just said, in allthe things of stripping
citizenship, it laid down thelegal framework for a systematic
persecution of the Jews.
So there was a turning point.
People need to understand thatthe sound doctrine.

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Let's get Timothy Williams,let's run him out of town.
Let's let Grant McCall entice ahate crime, commit crimes,
let's bury it in sport.
It was a significant turningpoint and he has been promoted.
And King County prosecutors Iwon't go into all the details
now, even cover them up more andmore, and everybody just

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ignores it.
And yet it was a turning point.
So in the same way, you've gotthese Nuremberg laws that all of
a sudden, if you were payingattention, you go this is going
to go bad.
This is going to go bad.
In the same way, going aftergrandma this is all the same
time.
In the same way, going aftergrandma this is all the same
time.
You've got the rainbow laws.
You've got stickers downtownSeattle going safe zone for gay

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people.
It all starts out kind of small, this little odd church, and I
heard it was a cult.
It's minimized, it's put in thecorner, so everybody thinks, oh
well, we can control it.
There were so many politiciansaround Hitler that thought they
could just control Hitler or atleast calm him down, or that
once he got into power he mightbehave himself more right.

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Yeah, there's even peopleprobably thinking that Governor
Ferguson oh yeah, he did allthese radical things and he
likes aborting babies and helikes destroying families and he
doesn't like homeschool and helikes genitalia manipulated on
your children and he likes tosend social services after you.
Oh, he'll have to calm himselfdown and play more the governor

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role, right?
Yes, guarantee you, he may bedoing that on the facade, but
it's like fake wood.
It's a veneer Underneath.
Everything is being laid moreand more.
Right now, trump has it pushedback, but there's going to come
a point when God is justallowing a brief moment here,
when we are warning people andhave real evidence and facts.

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This is what's taking place.
The question then goes forprosecutors and police and
judges.
At what point, at what point doyou say this is enough, the
corruption is too much and Ican't allow it to go on?
You tell me, jacob, at whatpoint?

Speaker 4 (18:18):
We're talking right now or are we talking in the 30s
?
The Nazis?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh, I'm sorry we're talking right now.
I'm just using, if you wereokay, you've already decided at
some point you can't go alongwith it.
So you spoke out against it.
You lost your job, maybe youhad to go into retirement.
Worst case scenario they cameand put you in a concentration
camp and that actually happenedbecause there was a few people
who actually did stand upagainst it.

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That actually happened becausethere was a few people who
actually did stand up against it.
In fact, there was one lawyerwho put Hitler on the witness
stand in a trial and he wasmercilessly beaten and taken
concentration camps andeventually died just toward the
end of the war.
He wasn't a Christian oranything, but he paid a serious
price for really going afterHitler when it was convenient to
do so.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Serious price for really going after Hitler, when
it was convenient to do so.
Well, so back to your question.
I mean it's already well, we'realready past.
I mean, if you're a judge oryou're a prosecutor or whatever,
you should not be going alongwith what is happening right now
.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
That is correct, at least at this point.
And don't misunderstand me.
I'm not telling you to quit.
You know a lot of these and I'mgoing to put it in quotes these
good policemen that at leastdid maybe an honest job have
quit.
Anybody working for the UnicomPolice Department is crooked
period.
Yeah, Nobody with any decencycould be a policeman or part of

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that unit and I won't go through.
There's all kinds of just dosome information requests.
You'll see it for yourself andsee what's going on.
Couldn't be a part of it.
I'm not talking to people thatjust quit because they just quit
.
Expose it, Oppose it, Speak upstrongly every day.
Put your job on the line, Seekthe living God.

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Speak up for those who can nolonger speak up for themselves.
All right, Jacob, let's finishup with.
You're a German prosecutor, say1933, because 1933 to 1935 saw
the escalation of laws andeverything being mixed in.

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It was a slow progression.
You know, slowly, uh interactingthings, whether it be social
propaganda, uh communication,just ignoring the rights of jews
, so on and forth.
Same thing we got going on inwashington state.
It's just slow percolating,until one day it's just too far
in your face to do anythingabout it.

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So where'd you go to law school, mr Jacob?

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Did I probably went to law school in.
Like Berlin, I'm throwing outthe largest German city I know
of.
Wow, you picked one.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
I was thinking more humbug law school, Okay is that
the fancy school?

Speaker 4 (21:02):
No, humbug law school .
Okay.
Is that the?

Speaker 3 (21:03):
fancy school.
No, humbug lives in like uhnegative oh humbug, oh okay yeah
we're jew, we're um scroogegoes humbug.
Yes christmas and kind of thing.
Okay, all right.
So you graduated.
You've been in the system for awhile.
You're known as a good old boy,you go along with the system.
You're a staunch law and ordertype individual okay, typical

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prosecutor, that kind of thing.
And you've got a.
You've got a jewish friend thatyou know is a thief.
He is a thief, he's a real, heis a thief.
Okay, he's a thief, real thief.
Uh, he's a criminal.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Um, hopefully I wouldn't be friends with him,
but okay, hypothetically well,you know, he is sure you know,
we communicate friends.
A strong word oh, okay, wecommunicate with a lot of people
who oh a neighbor.
Maybe Is this my neighbor.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
It can be a neighbor, okay yeah, he just knows a
thief kind of thing.
Okay, and you're watching theselaws come inch by inch and so
you're having a sense that therights are being denied and so
on and so forth.
They catch him stealing, bringhim into your courtroom.
Okay, he committed the crime.
At what point would you notprosecute the crime?

Speaker 4 (22:18):
Well, I would not prosecute the crime if they're
sneaking in because in becausehe's jewish, if we're, if, if
they did.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
They didn't sneak it in.
What do you know?
You know, and I'm kind ofsetting up they didn't sneak in
that he's a jew.
They, just they, and I'm usinghonest in quotes.
They come in with a cleancharge that he stole and they
have evidence.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
They, they have evidence.
Have evidence that kind ofroutine.
It's legit.
He's definitely guilty of thecrime, no doubt, then I guess we
would prosecute him.
If it's a clean case with cleanevidence.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So, no matter what, between 1933 all the way to 1939
, just before the war started nomatter what, because he
committed the crime, you wouldactually prosecute.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well, I'm assuming you're getting at the concept
that if the whole system isrigged and horrible, that I
shouldn't be there anywaysregardless.
Oh, so regardless if the guy isJewish.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Pardon Mm-hmm, Regardless if he's in this
scenario though, what's theJewish got to do with anything
then?
I know this is a problem withthese kind of questions.
I'm boxing you in a little bit.
Here's the deal and you'rethinking about and the way
you're communicating, and I knowthis is not what you believe,
but the way you communicate is atypical prosecutor.

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He committed the crime.
Actually, a typical juror.
Oh, he committed the crime.
He's sending him to prison ordo whatever right.
But the problem is you knowthat what's waiting him is a
concentration camp or that he'sbeing excluded already from
society.
In other words, the laws areslowly coming in.
You know, eventually going tomake him wear a yellow star.

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Yeah, so he's being convictedunder that which he actually did
.
But the implications behindthat actual charge and crime?
You know he's going to be takenfrom there, put in a jail cell
down with the level of the Jews,or put up with some other
German criminals that they'regoing to beat him up because

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he's Jewish.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Oh sure, you already know that he's going to be
treated worse in prison becausehe's Jewish.
That's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Going to happen, or the consequences are oh well, we
give you six months in jail,but then he winds up
disappearing.
You know he's going todisappear and be sent to.
In the beginning theconcentration camps weren't that
big and they weren't thatnotorious.
In fact, yeah, they would bringyou in, rough you up a little
bit, scare you and send you backout, because they wanted to
send the terror back out intothe system.

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So people need not think thatyou know, the concentration
camps were built.
Then they bring the jews in.
No, it was a slow learningprocess for the government and
they, they maximize the fear andthe penalty.
Oh, we put these criminalsbehind bars and you and you put
him in a bad situation.
He gets out of prison, he getsout the concentration camp.
He says oh, you don't want togo there, they're treating you
bad.
That's all intentional, toincrease the wrath.

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Well, you're a prosecutorknowing that.
The punishment and what's goingon in the system or how he got
there, let's just say they neverreally caught him.
But you can't deny the facthe's Jewish and he's a known
thief.
So the evidence is thin.
But he's hauled in because he'sJewish.
Again, at what point would yougo?

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I have to reveal, I have tooppose, I have to speak up and
say this is illegal.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
You would do that as soon as you know that he's going
to get worse treatment inprison At whatever point because
he's Jewish, and he's going tobe treated worse in jail at that
point.
The system is not I'm using airquotes fair, and it's not just
because he's going to receive aharsher sentence.
So whatever year that happenedis when you should either start

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exposing it or get out.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's a good answer.
It's going to be a little bitof a tough answer, true, a tough
question to answer?

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Oh, because well, yeah, because I mean it's almost
like a moral question.
You know, I don't know.
It depends on back then, what,how much did people know and
when?
Eventually everybody knew.
But in the beginning somepeople, I don't know, were they
just delusional?
Did they purposely ignore it?

Speaker 3 (26:35):
so you're doing what most people don't do.
You're thinking, sure, and andthat's really the nature of my
question there's differenttemperaments for different
people and different levels.
But the problem is mostprosecutors, most jurors, most
police don't have a level.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
They're not even thinking that.
They're there for a career.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Yeah, remember when Judge Laurie K Smith, she got
miffed at Malcolm because hequestioned the morality of what
was going on.
And she got all miffed up andsaid, uh, it is moral.
You know she's on herself-righteous.
Did I ever mention she's awoman of the year?
Yeah, um, so she was on herhigh horse that her morality,
her righteousness, wasquestioned.

(27:17):
So when he, malcolm, wrote inthe appeal to the three panel
judges who happened to be men,by the way and stated, yeah,
this was not moral, they mockedhim for bringing up the morality
.
So on the one hand you havejudge laurie k smith, proud and
fully willing to say in courtthat what she's doing immoral.
Then you go over here andyou've got a set of three judges
that morals have nothing to dowith this.

(27:38):
All we deal with is with thelaw.
They didn't actually explain itthat way, they just kind of
poo-pooed down on him a littlebit stating that, oh, he brought
up morals.
It was really condescending.
It wasn't even human in itsresponse.
So the same thing in Malcolm'scase for the Malcolm Frazier
trial.
Well, again, they were afterSound Doctrine Church.
They were after me, timothyWilliams.
They succeeded people, by theway, because nobody's thinking

(28:02):
about what's actually going onbehind the scenes of the charges
.
We've seen this over in Oregon.
The charges had absolutelynothing to do.
This was about a church, whetherthe church had the right to do
this.
Remember Judge Laurie K Smith.
She even voided the part of theWashington state constitution
that guaranteed freedom ofreligion.
You know, I asked you what theline that would be.

(28:25):
Really long before we got tothe sound doctrine, or Malcolm
Frazier versus the state ofWashington versus Malcolm
Frazier, people should have beenyelling within the system.
This was easy to see coming.
If we had been a gay church, doyou think they would have
ridiculed the church?
No, if we had been a gay church, do you think they would have
ridiculed the church?
No, same thing.

(28:46):
See, you've got with the Jewishgoing on.
If a Jewish criminal came intoa German court during that time,
you know good, full and wellthat that thief or that will be
treated worse because he'sJewish.
In the same way, if we'd been ademocratic-type liberal church,
would all of this have beenbrought up?
We could have allowed all kindsof behaviors to go on and way.
If we'd been a democratic typeliberal church, would have all
of this been brought up.
We could have allowed all kindsof behaviors to go on and

(29:08):
everything else gone.
Do you think they brought it up?
No, not all.
We were treated worse becausewe were christians, which fit
very much well with whatattorney general bob ferguson
was doing at the time.
Uh, what was going on?
Just in the general attitude,all this talk and rhetoric,
rhetoric the democrats do andpeople do against christians,

(29:29):
came out in this trial, and sothe line has been crossed.
Every prosecutor in the stateof washington, every person that
works within the legal system,every defense attorney, should
follow and look at this casevery carefully and know that the
line has already been crossed,and so they should be presenting

(29:49):
that petition, that brief,before every trial that things
need to be cleaned up now orthis case thrown out.
Anything you want to add tothat, jacob?
Nope, things are so bad, jacob,that if you just remain silent,
you do know that you have theright to remain silent, right?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Yeah, that's what the cop usually says if you get
pulled over.
Yeah, you have the right to anattorney.
You have the right to remainsilent.
If you don't have an attorney,what will be given to you?

Speaker 3 (30:22):
And it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Think police can't use your silence against you?
Think again.
Simply staying quiet during apolice interrogation or
questioning is not enough toprotect your rights.
Our US Supreme.
Court has held that if a policeofficer is asking you questions
and you simply remain silent,that can be used as an admission
of guilt.
You must tell the policeofficer.

(30:45):
I'm invoking my Fifth Amendmentright to remain silent.
You can't simply remain silentwithout invoking your rights
because that can be used againstyou as an admission of guilt.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
First of all, if it's a right, that means I carry the
right with me.
I don't have to decide at somepoint.
Oh well, I want that, rightyeah you have it.
The Constitution says I have theright.
I have the right.
Yes, I walk around in thatright.
Yes, make sense, make sense.
Well, most people don't knoweither that the Supreme Court

(31:19):
has ruled that.
You know that whole businessabout you're innocent until
proven guilty.
Yeah, that doesn't start untilyou're sat down in the courtroom
in the little chair to be beatup by the prosecution and the
judge.
So all of this stuff ismeaningless.
It's just absurd.
So don't think this is likeDemocrat versus Republican,
they're all doing it.
In fact, there's a case Texas isreally bad about.

(31:41):
Like you're going to go to thedeath penalty.
I mean, you've been sentenced,you're going that direction and
you're going to be fried orwhatever they do down there.
And you go look, I want the DNAtested at the crime scene.
Texas just will not do the DNAtesting.
They'll just fry you withoutgoing to look for evidence,

(32:02):
which we're gonna.
That's exactly what's goinghere.
Not so much dna, but they justwon't look for evidence.
So, but you're guilty, but youcan't even prove yourself
innocent.
Yeah, all right.
So this prisoner challengedthat.
It went all the way to thesupreme court.
The supreme court ruled that,yeah, he could have the dna,
which all sounds good and dandyright, except Justice Thomas.

(32:24):
Do you know who Justice Thomasis in the Supreme Court?

Speaker 4 (32:26):
I know the name, I couldn't picture him.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
He's one of those that you respect.
Most of the time he's kind of,and that's comparing it to the
other judges.
Most of the time he's kind of,and that's comparing it to the
other judges.
Most of the time he'sreasonable and all that stuff.
Well, he, he voted against that, oh, and he goes.
What I know, I know, and thisis he's the conservative judge
and he objected to going.

(32:49):
No, all this does is delay theprocess, and so now we add to
the 20 years of appeals beforewe put the person to death and
I'm going wait a minute All theyhad to do, the state of Texas
is do the DNA test, and therehad been no delay.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, how hard is this?
This is like nowadays.
This is a chump test, correct?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
It actually should be routine on every level I know
on everybody.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
You could do an Ancestrycom DNA test for $39.99.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
I'm getting worried more about in the future, that
cops are going to fake that DNAstuff.
But that's a different story,correct?
So why is he whining about that, which is just so easy to be
done?
It's weird.
I don't know what's missingthere.
There's a disconnect betweenempathy and a love for the law
that is pathological in nature.

(33:38):
All right, so we have thiswhole concept of police will not
look for evidence.
They're lazy, that's the onlyexplanation, and they have no
empathy ability.
So unless you're a cop's son ordaughter and sitting there,
they absolutely do not care.
No, yeah, all right, go ahead.

(34:01):
Which brings me up to and whatI'm trying to emphasize at this
point is the courts and thesystem is so bad that
prosecutors, prosecutororganizations, defense attorneys
everybody needs to be speakingup and doing their part to say
we have passed a line that weshould have never gone to.

(34:23):
You remember our good friend,prosecutor Jason Simmons, who we
won't get to today, but he wasa TV star, was in a particular
TV program and might haveconsidered himself to want to be
a movie star.
These prosecutors love thecenter of attention, got
sidetracked.
All right, we played thisbefore.

(34:44):
My main point is he literallyKing County prosecutors, if
you're accused of a sexual crime, believe they do not have to
prove anything but one thing.
This is what prosecutor JasonSimmons, king County prosecutor.

(35:04):
And again they've gonebackwards.
I guarantee you they may notsay this again in a courtroom,
but understand that what hascome out with the Malcolm
Frazier trial shows what isreally going on behind the
scenes.
Now they may have toned thisdown now and they may not do all
the things outwardly they'resaying, but behind the scenes
they are undermining everysingle aspect of the legal

(35:28):
system within Washington state.
Let me quote Prosecutor Simmonsand listen carefully.
He says the state doesn't haveto prove anything else other
than their age.
End quote.
You have a man accused of asexual crime.
Going to prison places him atthe bottom rung, possibly

(35:51):
putting his life in danger.
Whatever sentence he gets is alifelong sentence.
It's really life.
They lie about it being 23years.
He'll always be monitored.
The state is literally sayingokay, this girl comes in.
She makes the accusation wedon't have to prove anything
other than let's see your birthcertificate.
That's it, jacob.

(36:13):
Is that not astounding?
Astonishing, it's nuts, it'snuts, it's nuts, it's insane.
You don't have a legal systemat that point.
No, you don't even have adetective system at that point,
because there's nothing todetect.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
And it's the same attitude you mentioned in a
different case.
But, justice Roberts, literally, yeah, you know you don't need
DNA evidence.
So it's from the cops on thestreets to the prosecutors at
the county level and it goes allthe way up to the Supreme Court
the same attitude that we don'tneed evidence, we'll just do

(36:53):
what we want.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
And what God is warning is you've crossed the
line and you need to repent oryou're going to be held
accountable for this.
Again, this is not a legalsystem.
No, not on any level.
I play this next clip and mostpeople will recognize who she is
, and she does more work thanthe detectives do.

(37:16):
Well, before we play that,jacob, no wonder Detective
McCall could engage in his hatecrime.
He knew the prosecution wouldnot require any evidence.
How many other people has heframed with this?
If there's no evidence thatrequired, then it's just a
matter of the accusation, whichalso proves, by the way.

(37:39):
Then it's just a matter of theaccusation, which also proves,
by the way, that Simmons andKing County prosecutors and the
other four that were in charge,and Judge Laurie K Smith, were
using this to attack the church,Because here's what the trial
would have looked like.
We'd have walked in.
Your Honor, we're here to proveis a strong word.
We're here to prove that Mrfrazier did these things.

(37:59):
Your honor.
And since the state is notrequired to approve anything
else other than one thing, yourhonor, here's her birth
certificate.
That's our case.
That's our case.
Yeah, really, would that nothave been the case?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
if they were honest.
Your honor, we don't want to doany actual work, we just want
to ram this through the courtstoday.
Here's the birth certificate.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Okay, yeah, I know, flip it a little bit and act
like you're playing that this isall reasonable and good to go.
My point being here is thatsince this is all the state had
to prove, then all of the churchstuff was completely unrelated.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
Oh yeah, that's, true .
Yes, correct.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
It's proving that they used this to go after the
church, because none of that wasneeded Correct.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
It was yes, none of all that pulling all the people
on the stand to talk about howbad sound doctrine was, and they
did this and they did that,boo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo.
Yeah, you didn't need it, youdidn't have to do that.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
In fact, it was beyond the scope of what the
state is really even required todo.
So it proves in a hardcorefashion this was about
destroying the church, all right.
So essentially it's kind ofsince we're going to play this
legal game, this is really whatthe trial should look like,

(39:24):
instead of 28 days of all thisunrelated junk that just made
everybody bitter towardbitterness of the church, no
matter if it was obviously itwasn't real or not.
But by the end of the trialyou're like man, I just hate
somebody, I hate everybody.
Hey, this church.
I mean, they even show up inthe.
He made things like showing upto watch the trial if you were a

(39:45):
church member, seen as a vile,wicked, mind-controlling type of
thing in front of the jury.
Yeah, so the trial should havebeen here.
We have MC here, she's on thestand.
Here's her birth certificate.
We're done your Honor.
The only thing left was hertestimony you follow, because

(40:06):
the state only has to prove herage, and then she gets up and
she goes.
This is what happened.
Blah, blah, blah.
And that would have been overwith, at most, a one-week trial.
Again, what I'm really provingto everybody you need to wake up
for, whether you're aprosecutor or republican
democrat anybody else.
This is about attacking thosewho do not bow down to the state

(40:30):
of washington in terms ofbelief and concepts and
everything else.
This was a watershed moment andpeople weren't paying attention
.
All right, now play the clipand then we'll talk about that a
little bit and move forward,because we don't go backwards.

Speaker 6 (40:45):
When I interviewed the a thousand women, I realized
how often women lied aboutabuse.
The women would say they wereabused and I would say, okay,
how were you abused?
I would ask them like 10questions and they would just
their story would fall apart.
Now, if these women are alllying about this, what does that
mean about, like, the generalpopulation?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
I'm letting her say the obvious.
But because king countyprosecutors and harborview
medical center social services,you just go down the line the
police, they all get promotionsand they all get attention and
they all get to do their littlepower play because they're
addicted to power and part ofthe shoot-up problem is to
accuse people.

(41:24):
And certainly detective mccallwas looking for something to
just break the church from dayone before he didn't know that
we had come into town, correct,correct?
She asked some basic questionsand and she goes on to say well,
what about this?
How are you abused?
So on and so forth, and ofcourse she discovers they're
lying.

(41:44):
We don't have time to look in.
Today Women lie, men are builtwith strengths.
They use their arms.
It just that's the naturebetween the two.
But when the state ofWashington and detectives say,
hey, look.
But when the state ofWashington and detectives say,

(42:10):
hey look, the only thing we haveto prove is a birth certificate
, that you are in absurdterritory.
Now Simmons will lie.
He lied to the jury saying well, you know, there's no evidence
in the usual, the reasonable useof words.
You know physical, tangibletype things.
Yet there was, they wouldn't goget it, they wouldn't go to the
house, they wouldn't go to theexam.
And then of course I could godown.
We'll be here forever.
But you can't get into any ofthe facts, the school records,

(42:34):
anybody that's making theaccusation.
You can't discover who they are.
What could be some othermotivations?
There's no seeking for truth Ifyou serve on a jury personally
unless they actually havephysical evidence, tangible
things, and have proved to methose things.

(42:54):
And I pick up on no other lies,manipulations, hyperbole-type
prosecutions, over-the-top.
You present to me the birthcertificate, you present to me
the evidence.
I will find guilty.
Otherwise the legal system hascrossed a line for which I
personally would not be able tostand before God and say that

(43:15):
man committed that or that womandid this and they had no proof
whatever.
Because I know that by the timethey're put in that stand, all
relevance of truth is gone.
And these usually it's girlsmaking these accusations have
been thoroughly, heavily,heavily, one more time, heavily

(43:36):
manipulated to lie, especiallyas they move into the public
school system aka thank you, bobferguson.
And you throw out all thingsmoral, all things reasonable.
Truth is not even relevant.
How many jurors even show uphaving read the constitution of
the bill of rights?

Speaker 4 (43:53):
jacob, like zero, minus four, and and if they
showed up they won won't getpicked.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Oh, correct, that was the first question they asked
the whole group.
They were like who believes youshould have evidence in a trial
?
People put their hand up.
They were gone.
Yeah, they were gone.
The Prosecutor Associationshould be renouncing this,
should be renouncing it.
If you're going to helpprosecute people, it needs to be

(44:22):
done ethically, honestly and,of course, if you claim to be a
Christian, in a godly fashion.
You know, the Association ofProsecutors for Washington State
, Jacob were asking forinformation requests and so I
wanted a list of their ethics,because you would think an
organization that is puttingpeople behind prison ethics
would be a pretty big deal,right, you would think.

(44:43):
You would think I mean, itwould just be a normal, you
wouldn't really have to be toldor asked or anything else.
It's like, yeah, we don't dothese things.
Yeah, would you believe me if Itold you they don't have a list
of?

Speaker 4 (44:57):
ethics.
I would believe you, you woulddon't have a list of ethics.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I would believe you.
You would, yes, I would.
We did receive back theirlittle charter, which you know,
says all I'm paraphrasingobviously we're here to help
prosecutors prosecute.
That that's essentially so whatthey're really telling me is we
don't have ethics, we don'tcare about ethics.
they didn't write to me and go,well, we don't have ethics
because it's not our focus, andoffer some white wars.
They just didn't respond to itand they sent back their charter

(45:23):
.
You get my point.
They don't have any ethics, nomore than police.
Part of the problem the policeare such a mess is we get a vast
majority of our police from themilitary.
Yes, well, when you go to themilitary, you sign away your
constitutional rights.
Soldiers are not out in thebattlefield thinking about
constitutional rights and theBill of Rights, correct?

(45:45):
No, they are supposed to followorders.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
That's their job.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
That's it, and then we bring them full circle back
into.
In fact, mccall was anex-Marine, which, oh wow, that
really fits well.
No concept, no caring about theConstitution.
He wasn't even taught aboutthat One of his recommendations.
Even though he pulls a gun onhis fellow officers, they put
online that he's good withfirearms.

(46:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
Well.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I guess he could be good with firearms Technically,
I guess he is yeah.
I guess he is so you'repromoting this kind of guy.
They never list with theseofficers Been to constitutional
training classes.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
Yes, yeah, no.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Understands the Bill of Rights.
Yeah, was deprogrammed from amilitaristic attitude and
mindset, so the first thing thatshould happen fine.
If you want to bring in policebecause they're good with guns
and blowing things up, they needto be and I'm using it loosely
deprogrammed, correct and taughtabout what's important, correct

(46:44):
so washington state.
What can I say?
They voted for bob ferguson andthe the republican element is
so silent that they might.
They might as well.
Just go vote for bob ferguson.
If you're going to be thatlukewarm and that lame and that
just about business, then justgo vote for him.
Don't don't be this, thatlukewarm and that lame and that
just about business.
Then just go vote for him.
Don't be this middle lukewarm-y, mushy kind of thing.

(47:04):
It's like you're in the way.
Let's look at Proverbs 22, 22,.
Jacob, let's get into a littlebit of scripture here.
It's just a short period oftime.
Hang on, proverbs 22, verse 22.
It's just a short period oftime.
Hang on, proverbs 22, verse 22.

(47:24):
As we began to move to KingCounty Court to bring in
witnesses to say look, listen towhat we're telling you, we have
proof, we have evidence.
The church is made up of strongpeople, kind of people in the
middle, and then there's thevulnerable section of
individuals that need a littlemore attention.
Correct, jacob?
Yes, it's what we call thehumble in the land.
Well, when this hate crime wasgoing on, they all attacked the

(47:48):
humble in the land.
They were attacking everybody,but they went for the elements
in the church that are theirmost humble.
They're still valuable, they'revery loved in Jesus.
They're just more humble.
The persons involved went foreverybody and were destroyed.
Obviously, we ran out of town.
The Salt Shaker Christianbookstore was destroyed.
Wine Press Publishing wasdestroyed.

(48:11):
The church was ran out of town.
I think we saw like two dayslater Prosecutor Simmons was in
town in Enumclaw, no doubthaving a nice little celebration
where he ran out after theguilty verdict.
Anyway, when we bring in thehumble within the church to
provide the facts, simmons'response and all these was just
to crush them, to pulverize them.

(48:33):
It would have been nice if theyjust didn't listen, if they
just ignored everything, butthey didn't.
They crushed those people sothe truth could never come
forward.
Proverbs 22, 22.
Do not exploit the poor becausethey are poor and do not crush
the needy in court, for the Lordwill take up their case and

(48:55):
will plunder those who plunderthem case and will plunder those
who plunder them.
That plunder that was taken,guess.
I'm warning you.
I'm warning you by the livingGod prosecutor and Lisa Manning
and everybody that's in chargeright now in Judge Jorge Smith,
you will one day be plunderedand it won't just be for a short
period of time, you were ableto run all of us out of the city

(49:17):
of Enumclaw.
You destroyed people's lives,their goods were stolen, our
rights were crushed.
It was a crushing time.
It literally was a wine presswhere things were being crushed
down.
One day, one day, that will beyour reward for eternity.
Why did I bring that all upagain?
Because it's proof again thatthis case and this situation was

(49:40):
not about the accusation.
It was about taking down achurch.
If you simply just have to comein and your attitude is whether
you say it verbally or not, Iguarantee you they're probably
smart enough not to say thatanymore and say all we need is a
birth certificate.
You do not, people listen.
You do not have a legal systemanymore.

(50:01):
It doesn't exist.
It comes down to, then, whogives the best performance.
That's all it really comes downto, and, of course, the defense
is totally in a weakenedposition.
Remember, judge?
Okay, smith, had we?
We wanted to interview, uh, theperson who was making the
accusations, because you'relooking for inconsistencies,

(50:22):
you're looking well, in thiscase, it would be consistent if
he actually did it.
I'd like to know.
Sure, and we never got there.
So the judge says oh yeah, youcan have 30 minutes, never mind.
We couldn't look at schoolrecords, you couldn't really go
anything with the family or anydepth and all that kind of stuff
.
So you got 30 minutes, 30minutes.

(50:43):
By the time you do their nameand where you live and what you
do, you're already down to 15.
And I guarantee you if theattorney was there representing
this manipulated witness, they'dhave laid it along.
So the 30 minutes would havegone by pretty quick, correct,
really quick.
Well, guess what?
Prosecutor Simmons and theprosecutors never even showed up

(51:04):
for the meeting.
It was just for 30 minutes, ajudge's order and they never
showed up and their excuse wasno adult could be found to bring
her in to do the interview.
Again, we don't have a legalsystem anymore.
These prosecutors arecompletely corrupt.
These judges are corrupt.

(51:24):
I mean, you have a sheriff.
Somebody was deliveringnewspapers, a minority
individual, for whatever reason.
Of course these police getstuff in their head.
So the sheriff goes yeah,there's this guy out there and
he's got a gun.
And so, all naturally, thewhole police department zooms in
, shows up, surrounds this guy.

(51:45):
There was no gun, he wasdelivering newspapers, all right
.
So then he's taken to court.
Well, the jury finds him notguilty.
I mean, he admitted before wegot there.
He admitted he lied.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Before he even went to trial, trial and the jury
found him not guilty.
What am I bringing that for isto prove that the judge and the
prosecutor did not do that thingto win.
There was no way that waspossible.
If they'd have done what theydid to us, to him and to that
whole police department, he'dhave been found guilty.
It's a sham, and those aregoing for jury duty.
And your little neighbor that'sgoing in for jury duty.

(52:23):
You need to wake them up beforethey go in there.
All right, mr Jacob, really thisis the whole reason for the
podcast at this point, but it'sjust taken me a long time to get
there.
Anything you want to say beforeI jump in?
Really, kind of part two, Isuppose?
Nope, go ahead.
What needs to happen is I had asample legal brief created that

(52:47):
was done by AI.
I'm not a lawyer, I'm notgiving legal advice.
Thank you, lawyers that I haveto admit that I'm not a lawyer
and I'm not giving legal advice.
Nobody has any fullresponsibility to think for
themselves that you're lettingto consider podcast and that
this is a Christian thing andI'm not offering legal advice.
So I have to constantly do thedisclaimer.

(53:08):
Thank you so much for all thoseadded words.
You want to thank the lawyersout there, jacob?
No, it's okay, you sure?
Sure, we need to thank him,because otherwise, what all this
filler stuff going?
All right, this is a samplelegal brief created by AI, by
lawyers, and what it is is amotion to dismiss charges

(53:28):
because of systematic corruption.
Every defense attorney and ifyou're being accused out there
in the state of Washington, youneed to or really put on some
pressure I'm trying to be nicehere that your defense attorney
write up day one presents thissample legal brief and all it

(53:50):
really says is that thecorruption is so bad I mean,
when you really are down to, allwe need is a birth certificate
that the corruption is so bad.
There's no way that this caneven be brought to trial,
because it's.
How else can I word that, jacob?
It's just so bad, it should bethrown out.
The system is just too broken.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Yeah, it's so corrupt you won't get a fair trial.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
We know that Correct, so it's like Nazi Germany.
We know that, correct, so it'slike Nazi Germany.
At what point would you bringin this legal motion and say I
can no longer be a part of itand provide the facts to the
courtroom of why it's so corrupt?
The idea behind this is defenseattorney associations need to
start a web page and on the webpage it lists all the corrupt

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things they know of that aregoing on, and maybe all the
things that are quote unquotelegal but are still not lawful,
and lists those two so that, a,when somebody goes to jury duty,
they're informed.
And number two, this list wouldcontinue to grow so that it can
be added to this legal brief.
Am I making sense, jacob?
Yes, you can, certainly.

(55:00):
I would have you start,obviously, with the Malcolm
Frazier trial, because, man, ithas so many angles to it that
this legal brief would actuallygrow in proportion.
Then you could list the sheriffthat admitted to lying and
bringing all his cop friends into protect him and yet still
found innocent.
That could be listed.
And so every and there's tons ofgrandmas, the um, you know,

(55:23):
forcing to arrange flowers forgay individuals, and so on and
so forth, and can you imaginewhat's out there, and so this
brief keeps going.
So it's always new and youbring it before a judge.
It's not the same stamp thing,it has all the new things about
it.
So the judge, they'lleventually shut this down.
But the judge would have torule and say, no, this

(55:44):
corruption doesn't matter.
And then we know who they are.
Or, yeah, you're right, theyneed to fix the system Any more
on that, jacob.
No, all right, go ahead andplay this, and then we might
discuss a little bit moreafterwards.

(56:06):
Sample legal brief Motion to dismiss charges Systematic
Corruption.
The following sample legalbrief does not constitute legal
advice.
Rather, it is a recommendationfrom a layperson suggesting that
defense attorneys should moveto dismiss all charges at the
beginning of each trial citingsystemic corruption within the

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Washington State legal system.
This brief aims to present acontinuous account of the wrongs
, corruptions and absurditiesattributed to Washington State.
The Washington State BarAssociation has eliminated the
requirement for bar exams,indicating a shift from
upholding constitutional law tofostering oppression against

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those who do not conform to aspecific political agenda.
This raises the criticalquestion at what point must an
individual in the legalprofession unequivocally
denounce the corruption?
To rephrase the query, asGermany descended into the era
of Nazi rule, enacting oneoppressive law after another, at

(57:12):
what juncture should a judge,police officer or prosecutor
have felt compelled to resist,renounce and expose the legal
corruption In Seattle and KingCounty?
That line has been crossed.
It's imperative for prosecutorassociations, law enforcement

(57:33):
and judges to begin sheddinglight on these corrupt practices
.
The case of State v MalcolmFraser cause number 12-1-01886-0
, exemplifies a profoundinstance of corruption that can
be built upon for renewedobjections in the courts of
Washington State.

(57:54):
7 Irrefutable Facts of the Stateof Washington vs Malcolm Fraser
.
1.
The Washington government hotlyrefused to investigate clear
evidence of a hate crime.
2.
From the outset, seattle-kingCounty courts have shielded
Enumclaw detective GrantMcCall's illegal activities.
3.

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Despite the abundance ofevidence disproving the
allegations of sex crimes, aninvestigation was never pursued.
Calls for such an inquiry weresystematically blocked.
4.
Seattle King County prosecutorsmisused the law, leveraging
Detective Grant McCall and hisco-conspirators' hate crime

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activities to dismantle a churchthat stood in opposition to
Washington state beliefs.
This situation reflectsWashington state's
anti-Christian sentiment,contributing to a severe
miscarriage of justice throughprosecution.
5.
Judge Beth M Andrus, from thevery beginning, while ruling

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that Detective Grant McCall hadcommitted misconduct, made sure
to whitewash McCall's illegalactivities.
Judge Beth M Andrus' whitewashruling, without any evidence and
zero investigation into thehate crime, allowed the legal
system to fully corrupt theoppression by future prosecutors
and judges.

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6.
Judge Lori K Smith severelycorrupted the trial by
undermining the defense's rightsand obstructing their ability
to mount a vigorous defense.
In short, like Detective GrantMcCall, frame judges in
Washington state ensured thetrial would result in a
conviction for prosecutors Seven.

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The whole of this trial focusedon crushing the rights of a
church that Detective GrantMcCall and co-conspirators
sought to destroy.
The sexual allegations were thepretext to permit Washington
state to oppress and crushChristianity.
In essence, the trial ofMalcolm Fraser should never have
occurred.
Those implicated in the hatecrime should be incarcerated,

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while those who lied to benefitthe prosecution should face
charges of perjury.
To this day, the evidencesupporting these claims is
overwhelming and can be found atwwwenuminfo.
The Consider Podcast Examiningtoday's wisdom, folly and

(01:00:27):
madness.
Wwwconsiderinfo.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Now the actual sample legal brief will be online.
I'm not going to play that here.
It's a bunch of legal talk, butthat explains why it's there
and why it needs to starthappening.
Any questions or comments onany of that?
Jacob?
No Kind of self-explanatory,isn't it?
Mm-hmm?
Yeah Well, did you know thatthe city of Enumclaw police, tim

(01:01:00):
Floyd and all of theirconstitution-loving Bill of
Rights followed the law Policestation want to put up license
plate reader scanners?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
I heard about that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
City of Enumclaw.
Yeah Well, that should helpDetective McCall, because he
watches to see when new churchescome into town.
That's true.
You want to play that littleclip for us?
Court testimony King CountyCourt Judge Lori K Smith, beth
Andrus and all their fineminions listen to him say this

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in a court of law thatsupposedly holds up the
constitution and the bill ofrights, logic being reasonable
and everything good.
Right, jacob, let's listen towhat he has to say about his
sense of power, entit and hisrole to keep Enumclaw safe.

(01:02:03):
This is what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:02:06):
When a new church comes into a community, the
first thing they do is send outflyers to everybody and say
we're in the church and we'dlike people to come.
We have this, going on, this,going on this, going on a bunch
of things.
Their group at the time theycame into Enumclaw, we didn't
even know they were there, theyjust came in.
Their group at the time theycame into Enumclaw, we didn't

(01:02:29):
even know they were there, theyjust came in.
We didn't even know they werethere.
They just came in, they justcame in, they just came in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Are we listening to what this dictator of a cop is
saying?
This isn't the United States ofAmerica, can't be, because we
just came into town.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
We just came in.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
First of all, he's lying.
He knew we were there.
The backstory is there.
The back story is there.
You can find another podcast,but let's just take his current
lie as if it were somethingworth accepting.
Are people listening that thisis in a courtroom with a judge
sitting there and he is sayingthat a group of people you won't

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use the word church at thispoint, but a group of people,
church just showed up.
That means when you're justdriving through Enumclaw or
you're moving to Enumclaw, youcan't just show up and they want
license plate readers.
Am I missing something?

(01:03:48):
This is like totally astounding.
Nobody complained, nobodywhined.
The judge didn't go.
What are you talking about?
This is America.
People are free to come and goas they please.
Right, correct?
Yeah, everybody needs to knowthat when you're going through
Enumclaw and they're readingyour license plate, don't think
well, I haven't done anythingwrong.
Because if you just show upwithout telling him to captain

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mccall and, by the way, he'straining other detectives, he's
been promoted about this thatsomehow you have committed a
crime, you're evil, you're acult, you're wicked, you're vile
, because you just showed upwithout how would we logically
do this?
jacob, suppose we were going toactually obey what he is saying,

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you would send out flyers.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
That's what you got to do.
You got to have the flyers.
That's what he says when a newgroup comes to towns, they send
out fires.
But we didn't do that, so youneed to print flyers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Well, what's the time frame?
I mean immediately.
We only opened up a bookstore.
You know, we, only our churchwas like right down there
downtown.
It moved around several times,all right, so is it 24 hours?
I have the flyers.
Do I mail the fly?
I have the flowers.
Do I mail the flowers, flowers,flyers ahead of time?
What's the grace period thatthe great detective, mccall,

(01:05:09):
dictator cop allowing a churchto do before they're seen as
being illegal and vile?
What's the time frame?

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
I don't know, I couldn't say because I wouldn't
want to put words in his mouth,but apparently quickly, very,
very quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
This ought to be.
The church is so dead.
This should have been plasteredeverywhere throughout the state
.
Do you think the Association ofProsecutors are all upset that
McCall like?
Yeah, that supposedly we made abig deal out of the fact that
McCall didn't like the church?
Yeah, because just driving ormoving to Enumclaw is a crime in

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his mind because we didn't sendout flyers.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
according to the great church planter, enumclaw
Detective McCall according tothe great church planter, em
Claude Detective McCall, I guess, is this like the Catholic
Church and it has to be blessed.
He needs to bless your churchcoming in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Well, think of the consequences of this.
The Pope is like a saintcompared to him, because he
literally ran us out of town,correct?
Yeah, he laid the foundationfor the slander and the violence
.
Everything is going on, right.
Yep, he's the one that stirredup king county prosecutors to do
that.
Really was an inquisition.
I have the videos if you wantto watch it.
It was, they were emotionallygone.

(01:06:36):
The simmons was like, you know,he couldn't even think you get
this.
It's a cult hysteria.
Or when you're hanging people,you're you're not really talking
to anybody because they're nothearing you.
It literally was this emotionalfor them?
An overwhelming thing that thatthey clearly were not thinking
at all about what was going on.
This was just lynch the churchand deal with it and we're

(01:06:59):
self-righteous, right.
It's just that mentality.
Yeah, all right.
Now, which brings me up to Bob.
Ferguson wants to know whatyou're confessing in the
confession booth, if you'reCatholic, you heard about this,
jacob.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
I have heard about this briefly.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Yes, this uh, relentless going after
Christians.
That's why it'll just neverstop, he, he.
If they did this to enum clawand it had to get toned back
because we've been pushing backand all these things going on,
it's just never going to stop.
Well, the washington, whateverhas created a bill 5-3-7-5, that

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if you confess to certainthings in the booth obviously
sexual stuff that the priest hasto report to the authorities
and that would be theunconstitutional social services
.
And, by the way, you can't havean organization that is exempt
from the Constitution withoutbeing a foreign government
agency.

(01:08:04):
It's just, that's not.
Logically, the whole basis ofour nation is built upon the
Constitution of the UnitedStates, so a court can't come
along and go.
Well, social services doesn'thave to follow the Constitution
because we're all under theConstitution and by coming in
and saying they don't have tofollow the Constitution, they're
no longer a part of the UnitedStates governmental system.

(01:08:27):
Is that clear?

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
Yeah well, they're breaking the law, they're
outside the system.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
It's a different government system and they're
behaving that way.
And if you look at Lisa Manning, who's in charge of the King
County prosecutors, and youthink she went to all these law
schools about crimes, if youlook at most of her experience,
it all is about social justice,social work.
That's what she did.
What we're finding here, whatpeople need to wake up to the
in-call trial was socialservices and their lynch mob

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mentality, and everybody abuseseverybody and they don't have to
follow the Constitution andthey don't have to follow the
law.
That was finally brought into alegal court, a criminal side of
the legal court.
That's what you saw going on,all right.
So swinging back to BobFerguson's Confession Booth,
bill no 5375.

(01:09:19):
That we were prosecuted becausepeople did confess their sins
and bring them out in the lightso that everybody could pray for
everybody.
Does that make sense?
Do you see the irony of allthis?
We're prosecuted because we didit and yet Bob Ferguson doesn't
mind you doing it, as long asyou report it to the state,

(01:09:40):
correct?
Well, thankfully the Trumpadministration is suing
washington state over this.
It's really an anti-catholiclaw, I mean.
It's obvious what's going on,correct?

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
but I do find it.
It's an anti-christian law andit really is the easiest
pickings currently is thecatholics, so that's what
they're going after first andthey make the perfect point that
it'll never end.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
In fact, the person that's bringing in I don't have
her name just up front right nowhas stated look, this stuff
never ends.
And of course it never ends.
Just as a side note, washingtonState.
Mr Bob, you're not worthy to betold these things.
You're not worthy to be toldthese things.

(01:10:27):
You are so corrupt and so fargone that it would literally be
the blind leading the blind.
You don't know what.
You are corrupt with theinformation.
You have lost that privilege tobe entitled to that information
.
So, whether or not it's a goodlaw or not, or should be
required and I'm not reallygoing to deal with that in a
moment I'm going to explain toyou what confessing a sin is
really about in a moment.

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Whether it's a good law or not,it doesn't matter if it's a
good law.
It's a good law to a bad state,correct, and the bad legal
system is not entitled toanother good law.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
They're so corrupt If you've got somebody that you
know is a constant liar.
I mean, they're just relentless, they're a pathological liar,
right yeah, would you ever tellthem the truth?
No Same thing.
Why would I ever tell you wouldnot entrust them with the truth
?

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
You just wouldn't entrust them.
You can't confide in that typeof a person.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Correct, no more than the in-call police are entitled
to license plate readersbecause they have lost.
They're not honest.
It's provable.
You don't give them that kindof power.
They first have to clean uptheir act, confess their sin,
whatever.
In the same way, bob Fergusonand the whole war system is not
worthy of that information.
It won't be helpful at all.

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You've got the Seattle Timeslike going oh yeah, you know now
there'll be no excuse.
The Catholic Church will haveto do this, this will all have
to be brought into the open andthere'll be no excuse for it.
And I'm thinking, wait a minute.
The Seattle Times that doeseverything possible to pervert
sexuality, to take children awayfrom their parents, to go along

(01:12:03):
with the mutilation ofgenitalia, all those things,
wants this information and theythink they can do some good with
it.
Look, if you want to deal witha whole great deal like just
really strike against childmolestation and all that thing,
clean up the public schools,correct.
Get the sexualization out ofthe government, allow morality,

(01:12:23):
allow me to preach, instead ofcoming in, mr Simmons, and
shutting down righteouspreaching and prosecuting it
with false charges.
How about getting out of theway and let me say what I need
to say how about allowingChristians in downtown Seattle
to have a picnic without itturning into a hate crime by the
gay people?
If you really really wantedSeattle Times to deal with the

(01:12:46):
problem, deal with it so itdoesn't happen.
By bringing this law in thatyou have to report these things,
not only will there be moremass destruction by the state of
Washington toward the familyand individuals, and you'll
cause the people that were evenmolested to participate and have
more problems in their lifebecause you're involved.

(01:13:07):
There's nothing about anythingthe state of Washington has done
that has actually helped thesepeople.
They keep them as victimsforever.
They just roll with it.
We've increased the liarswithin the state of Washington.
There is no good that has comefrom the state of Washington
dealing to protect children.
There's no good that has comefrom the state of Washington
dealing to protect children.
Has there, jacob?
No, we wouldn't even be in thismess.

(01:13:28):
So, bob Ferguson, I hope I madeit very, very clear.
If you want this, if you wantthis put forth Seattle Times,
you need to repent.
How about getting the plank outof your own eye?
Ever heard of that?
Mm-hmm?
All right Now, jacob, whatwould be one way that Seattle
Times could get the plank out oftheir own eye.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
Well, they would have to entirely shut down and fire
all their current staff.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Nah, just let me write a column that goes in
every week, oh okay, and let'sjust see how far the toleration
goes.
Mm-hmm, all right, I'm remindedof Ecclesiastes 10.5.
It says there is an evil I haveseen under the sun the sort of
error that arises from a ruler.

(01:14:15):
Gang number five, three, seven,five is a powerful error that
will only increase childmolestation, will only increase
it.
Yeah, it's required, all right,do I agree, then, with the

(01:14:35):
confession booth?
Anybody who's listened or, toyou know, tuned into this
podcast, what do do you think,jacob?
Do you think I agree with thebooth?

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
Well wait.
So now we're talking about doyou agree with the Catholic way
of confessing sin, correct when?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I'm drawing with.
Okay, what the state ofWashington is doing is worthless
, but don't get the idea thatI'm all in favor of.

Speaker 4 (01:14:59):
Oh yeah, that you're pro-Catholic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I don't even know that I'm in favor of the vow of
silence kind of thing, or thatyou can't say anything about it.
It's immaterial, because thestate of Washington and the King
County prosecutors and theprosecutor's station are just so
corrupt they're not entitled tothe information Correct.
By the way, let me give thislittle piece of advice.
It's not legal advice, that'smy disclaimer.

(01:15:21):
If you're feeling, in the Lord,you're being convicted about
the crime you've done, well,okay, even if you're not being
convicted, you've done the crime.
Don't tell me, don't tell apriest, don't tell anybody else.
Go tell a lawyer and turnyourself in First of all.
You get a much better deal.

(01:15:42):
We were persecuted byprosecution because we actually
wanted a trial.
So if you've done this crimeand you know you need to pay for
it or whatever is going throughyour mind, go see a lawyer
first, get that taken care of.
Then talk to somebody about thespiritual aspect of it.
That would be my advice.

(01:16:03):
If somebody was coming to meand I was sensing what they were
coming for or going to suggest,I'd say go see a lawyer first,
turn yourself in, do whateverthat lawyer, well, whatever your
lawyer, and you decide go dothat.
Does that make sense, jacob?
That makes sense.
Now let me talk for a momentabout what true confession of
sin is.
People need to understand that.
Okay, the booth is not wherethis is supposed to be, a church

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kind of thing, where it's kindof out in the open.
Now that doesn't mean youconfess I'm thinking Simmons.
Well, actually, we did Rememberwe were persecuted and
prosecuted for actually doingthis thing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
But there's a great deal of go ahead, Jacob.
What does walking in the lightmean?
What does walking in the lightmean?
What does walking in the lightmean to you?
I'm just quoting Simmons Checkthis, you have to tell me
everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Everything, everything, everything.
You're so busy telling meeverything you're doing I can't
have a life.
So technically mine says Ididn't do anything but listen to
everybody and what they weredoing all day, long, yeah, yeah.
All right.
Proverbs 28, 13 says he whoconceals his sins does not
prosper, but whoever confessesand renounces them finds mercy.

(01:17:11):
All I'm worried about is themfinding the mercy of the Lord
and those that are victims offinding healing in the situation
you know it's called.
Blessed are the peacemakers.
That doesn't mean people don'tgo to jail.
It doesn't mean all these itmay or may not be true.
I'm not giving you a judgmenton anything.
I'm telling you what confessionis about.

(01:17:32):
He who conceals his sins doesnot prosper, but whoever
confesses and renounces themfinds mercy.
So there's got to be this.
You can't just have like Idon't know the current murderers
, that he confessed to the crimebut he's not renouncing them.
Right, correct?

(01:17:53):
So he's not in a position tofind mercy.
I'm repeating it again.
We were literally.
A man is in prison because whenyou practice walking in the
light that which Bob Fergusonwants a report on, yeah Well, if
you do away with the confession, simmons, there's no light
about what's going on.

(01:18:14):
Correct 1 John 1, verse 6.
I'm just going to read this iswhat confessing sin is about and
, by the way, this is a veryserious, strong warning.
Don't live this.
Do not confess your sins toanybody else.
The church is so bad, thefoundation is so gone.

(01:18:37):
There is nobody you can trust.
Now that I've made that clear,you may have to be crucified
with Christ out in public,meaning you may have to confess
your sins to those that you knoware going to betray you.
You know they're called Judas's, but my recommendation is don't

(01:18:58):
try and live this without asolid foundation on
understanding what the messageof the cross is and that the
other person that you'reconfessing with and sharing
these things is on the same path, has the same foundation, has
gone through the narrow gate andis walking the narrow road.
In other words, practiceextreme caution.

(01:19:18):
I'm not recommending any churchactually institute this or do
this, because the state willcome in and there are so many
false Christians in the church.
They will use it against you.
That doesn't mean you've doneany type of criminal activity.
It just means they will use itas a power play over you, and

(01:19:38):
they will use it in such a wayfor the gossip nature of things,
jacob, is there anything youwant to add to that kind of
thing?
No, all right.
1 John, 1.6.
If we claim to have fellowshipwith him yet walk in darkness,
we lie and do not live by thetruth.
Ding, ding, ding, go get him,prosecutor, simmons.

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1 John, 1.7.
But if we walk in the light, ashe is in the light, we have
fellowship with one another.
It's not a booth, it'sfellowship with one another, and
the blood of Jesus, his son,purifies us from all sin.
Confessing sin is the powerfulway to overcome sin and to be

(01:20:24):
forgiven of sins.
Did you catch that, simmons?
So all that little?
Oh, we felt guilty.
Well, you weren't walking inthe light then Don't blame me,
blame your liars, all right, 1-8.
If we claim to be without sin,boy, does that sound like some
prosecutors to you, jacob?
Yes, does it sound like someprosecutor organizations to you?

(01:20:46):
Yeah, how about some policestations?
Yeah, if we claim to be withoutsin, we deceive ourselves and
the truth is not in us.
No wonder prosecutors andpolice and judges lie.
I mean, in fact, for any ofthem to actually tell the truth.
It's like fireworks go off.
You notice it right away.

(01:21:07):
Wow, they actually stole thetruth.
Yeah, all right.
So here we are, 1 John 1.9.
I'm going to let you read it,jacob.

Speaker 4 (01:21:15):
Go for it.
If we confess our sins, he isfaithful and just and will
forgive us our sins and purifyus from all unrighteousness.

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
What can I say?
It's a grand promise, and ifyou can find another brother or
sister to walk in the light withthis and do this, there's great
power in it.
All Bob Ferguson's doing isdefiling something most holy,
which is not surprising, Mm-hmm.
All prosecutor King Countyprosecutors did was destroy that
which was.
What Jackson's doing isdefiling something most holy,

(01:21:51):
which is not surprising.
All King County prosecutors didwas destroy that which was
purely good, purely righteous,loving and holy.
Verse 10, read that one, Jacob.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to
be a liar, and his word has noplace in our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
That sounds like prosecutors, sounds like a lot
of self-righteous Christians.
They don't walk with humilityabout their sin.
They act like, well, I'm justforgiven in Jesus Christ.
Well, I'm just forgiven inJesus Christ.
You know, bob Ferguson, allyou're doing is forcing every
church in the state ofWashington to become lukewarm,
and especially Catholic churches.
Nobody's going to do anything.

(01:22:32):
I suppose in a wicked way,that's probably what he's after,
whether he realizes it or not.
That's what the evil one isusing him for.
If we claim we have not sinned,we make him out to be a liar.
Prosecutor Simmons, king Countyprosecutors, lisa Manning, all
these people.
They are making God out to be aliar by the things that they do

(01:22:53):
and their behavior.
And it says his word has noplace in our lives.
What do you think, jacob?
You think, as we went throughthat trial, which we filmed and
have records for everything,there was any respect, thought
of that there could be thepossibility of the word of God
in all this?
No Good bottom line All right,you got to go see John the

(01:23:16):
Baptist.
I'm going to wrap this upbecause we're going long.
Matthew 3, 6 says the peoplecame out to be baptized by John
and out in the open, in front ofeverybody, it says, confessing
their sins.
They were baptized by him inthe Jordan River.
Oh, bob Ferguson, king Countyprosecutors, the more sinners

(01:23:39):
confess their sins, the moreholy and righteous would be the
state of Washington.
Amen, jacob, amen.
But since they oppose that, itain't gonna happen.
Jacob, take us out of here.

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