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Prepare yourself for a humdinger of offense on The Consider Podcast as we discuss

- Toilet Time topics
- Human wisdom preaching of the gospel
- Charlie Kirk and the Muslims Praying
- Women calling their husbands master.
- Fox News host fired over asking women to coffee
- With a touch of King County Prosecutor

All of this and more in the year of our Lord 2025.

Have you ever wondered why certain biblical truths trigger such visceral reactions, even among professing Christians? In this provocative episode, we dive deep into the contrast between teaching the gospel with human wisdom versus proclaiming it with the unadulterated power of the Holy Spirit.

Our conversation begins by establishing a crucial distinction—some discussions are merely "toilet room issues" meant to be flushed away, while others belong in the "prayer room" where we must remain uncompromising. This framework helps us navigate the complex landscape of modern discourse, where opinions often masquerade as divine truth.

We examine Charlie Kirk's recent controversy over Muslim prayer gatherings in American cities, revealing how even well-intentioned cultural warriors often misidentify the root problem. Drawing from Deuteronomy 28 and 1 Peter 4:17, we explore the biblical pattern that judgment begins with God's people, not with outsiders. When a nation faces foreign influence, Scripture consistently points to the unfaithfulness of God's household as the primary cause.

The most challenging segment addresses 1 Peter 3:5-6, where wives are instructed to call their husbands "master" or "lord." This teaching proves so offensive to modern sensibilities that it triggered actual legal persecution against our ministry—a real-world demonstration of what happens when the gospel is preached without the buffer of human wisdom. We share personal stories of how this stance led to our church being driven out of town through coordinated efforts of prosecutors who couldn't tolerate biblical gender roles.

We close with a disturbing parallel—a Fox News contributor fired simply for asking a woman to coffee, illustrating how modern culture has weaponized interactions between men and women. This mirrors our experience with false accusations and targeted harassment against those who testified on our behalf.

The gospel's power lies precisely in those teachings that most challenge our cultural assumptions. Until we're willing to be crucified to human wisdom and embrace the offense of the cross, we'll continue preaching a powerless version of Christianity. Join us in rediscovering the transformative message that doesn't conform to culture but confronts it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Prepare yourself for a humdinger of offense on the
Consider podcast as we discusstoilet time topics.
Human wisdom, preaching of thegospel Charlie Kirk and the.
Muslims praying, women callingtheir husbands master.
Fox News host fired over askingwomen to coffee.

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All of this and more in theyear of our Lord, 2025.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Welcome to the Consider podcast, where we
examine today's wisdom, follyand madness.
More information can be foundat wwwconsiderinfo.
Now here are your hosts,timothy and Jacob.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
How's it going, jacob , it's going good.
And we got in a nice offensiveshow today, like over the top,
not because I'm offended, butbecause everybody else will be
easily offended, especiallythose who claim to be a
Christian.
You got a nice little doggyright.
Yes, I do, and he's gettingkind of older, right.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yes, he's getting pretty old.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
So you're making kind of end of life what I do
getting ready for it, right, yep?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Does he get cremated?
Does he get special cremation?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Well, I got a special for you.
I just discovered today.
Okay, you should consider this.
Click on the link that saysBizarre Zoo asked people to
donate their pets to feed twotigers.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
I have clicked on the link.
Oh boy, what zoo.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
A Danish zoo put out a call for donations, and the
donations they want are your olddoggy.

Speaker 5 (01:58):
That sounds gross.

Speaker 4 (01:59):
Unwanted pets and animals, including chickens,
rabbits and guinea pigs.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Are they broke?
Is that why they're doing this?

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Oh you know, there could be some wacko like let's
recycle everything, or it couldbe they're going broke, or both.
Yeah, because they're goingthat way, nothing goes to waste
and we ensure natural behavior,nutrition and well-being of our
predators.

Speaker 5 (02:22):
Horses They'll take a horse, they're saying.
Horse owners can obtain a taxdeduction.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yep, there you go.
Just turn them in and feed thelions and tigers.
I don't know if they'd feedthem to bears or not.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, this is.
Zoos have a responsibility toimitate the natural food chain,
which is hilarious because zoosare so unnatural, but then they
want to have a natural foodchain, which is hilarious
because zoos are so unnatural.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
But then they want to have a natural food chain.
Well, the other thing too is Idon't know that every animal
eats something that's alreadydead.
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Oh yeah, that's true.
They would want to hunt it likelions and stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
I think now the zoos could be used to it, and I don't
want to drag this in too much,but, man, I wish this have been
when I was raising my kids.
I could have had such a goodtime with this.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, it's time to take you know, whatever pattern
and we need to get rid ofconvincing that I'm going to do
a kind of routine.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, all right, anything you want to talk about
before we get going.
No, all right.
Well, let's talk about toilettalk for a moment.
Play the next clip and thenwe'll expound on it a little bit
in a large house, there is theflushable toilet room.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
also in a large, noble house, there is the noble
prayer room.
Never confuse the two rooms.
Religious talk, politicalpositions and opinions are
discussed in the toilet roomeasily flushable Whereas the
whole gospel of discipleship toJesus is in the prayer room.
The Consider podcast oftendiscusses toilet room issues

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which serve a purpose to disposeof waste material.
However, in the prayer room,the Consider podcast is
uncompromising.
Please discern the difference.
2 Timothy, 2.20.
In a large house there arearticles not only of gold and

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silver, but also of wood andclay.
Some are for noble purposes andsome for ignoble.
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Speaker 4 (04:48):
Jacob, you ever got so mad at me that we're
discussing something that yourun out of the room and
discussed an anger.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
No, I don't think I've ever ran out of the room
and discussed an anger.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Would you say that we talk about a whole range and
gamma of issues, topics,discussions, scripture,
spirituality, you name it.
We kind of run a whole gamut ofvarious different ideas and
concepts, correct?

Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yes, very wide, wide, sweeping.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
One reason, of course , is that over the years and
this has taken some time to getthere I can't say that if I was
just baptized or you were justbaptized and we just started our
discipleship journey, that wellI can say for sure, we wouldn't
be able to have the discussionsthat we have now, because ego
gets in the way, pride gets inthe way, things that are really
not that important become tooimportant, right.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Correct Opinions.
A lot of people just get lockedinto their opinions and they'll
never concede to anybody elsewhat somebody else is saying.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Bring up a good point because when it comes to
discipleship and following Jesusand the scriptures being made
alive, there is no in our ownhearts and our lives.
There's no compromise with that.
We know those are solid.
We know we can grow in wisdomand knowledge by the power of
the Holy Spirit on those things.
So we're in a position whereiron sharpens iron.

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There may be sparks, there maybe heat.
Certainly, when we debate a lotof stuff, don't we kind of go
at it?

Speaker 5 (06:17):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
And we survive, because why, jacob?
I mean, I'm kind of repeatingit, it's kind of obvious, but
how can we possibly survive allthose things?

Speaker 5 (06:29):
I think just even recently we were talking about.
I mean, jesus calls us to beperfect.
So you're going to have a lotof you're going to be wrong a
lot of times as you strive andpush to be perfect.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Amen.
And the other thing too is,even let's say that we do debate
something, I get miffed, youget miffed, or whatever, since
we're in a solid position ofcarrying our cross, hating our
own life, despising our opinionsand so on.
Even if I get mad and fall intosin or I get irritated or
whatever, when I repent it comesout for the good.

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So it always works toward thegood.
If and this is the big if thatmost people don't do they have
to literally be walking thenarrow road, having gone through
a narrow gate and growing inobedience to the Lord.
I mean, a lot of people claimthe scripture about all things
work for the good of those wholove the Lord, but they don't
love the Lord.
There's no increase inobedience to Scripture, there's

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no growing in the sufferings ofJesus Christ or in the holiness
of obedience.
They just use the Scripture toreally whitewash their sin, to
lie to themselves and so on.
The other reason, too, is werealize that as we discuss
things and this can even be someBible-like history who was this
and what went on?
Some things are noble, somethings are toilet room stuff,

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and in the toilet room you flushwhat's not useful and the body
comes out more healthy, correct,correct.
Even scriptures that we mightunderstand by our own human
wisdom need to be flushed.
I don't want to hound on thistoo much, but I'm cautioning
people that on the Considerpodcast we talk about a lot of

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things.
The beginning podcast that wedid on the Consider podcast had
to do with the foundations ofwhat scripture is.
We've laid that foundation, sothere's no need for me to keep
repeating that foundation.
Now we're taking and applyingthat solid foundation to the
wood or to the stone, or we wantto buy something that's a value

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, like gold or silver, and wetake that foundation and apply
it to those things and thosethings that are innoble, those
things that are not useful.
They get thrown aside, put inthe trash or, as I put this down
in the toilet room, they getflushed away.
Right, yes, the key here is togrow enough that we can easily

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flush them.
We have our discussions.
We go at it with fire, we go atit with zeal.
I mean, scripture says whateveryou do, you do with all your
heart, right, correct?
So have you ever seen me debatesomething?
Not of all my heart, so tospeak?
No, and we always.

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We come as, in fact, that's howa lot of times we can hear from
the Lord what he's trying tosay and communicate, because,
okay, we go out here and we knowGod is listening.
And then when we're as we're'retalking, debating and jumping
around and going from here tohere, we're learning from each
other.
We're always keeping our earsand our face toward god and
saying, okay, god, what is thetruth?
And since I know I don't havethe complete truth, you know

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that fact, it drives us evercloser to hear from god and
that's a real blessing andthat's the real.
That's where the blessing ishidden if we seek the living God
.
Otherwise, this just turns intoa talk show or a simple podcast.
Anything else on that?
No, all right.
Well, you know who Charlie Kirkis right, yes, it's hard not to

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know him.
He's out there saying a lot ofthings and political stuff and
so on and so forth.
Well, he stirred up controversy.
Go ahead and play this nextclip and it sets what the
discussion is going on.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
Okay, that is happening here in the.

Speaker 6 (10:19):
United States.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
I believe it was like Washington Square happening
here in the United States.
I believe it was likeWashington Square.
There's the link there for that, if anybody wants to go there
and do an in-depth dive into theissue.
What he's upset about, ofcourse and I'm upset, but I'm
not upset for the same reasonhe's upset is they're doing the
Muslim chant in the UnitedStates.

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Where does it say Hosted public?
prayer throughout New York City,so you'd be hearing this prayer
and I believe they go on forlike three times a day, but I'm
not 100% sure on that kind ofthing.
What's your kind of initial gutreaction to that, Jacob?

Speaker 5 (11:20):
Well, his comment is not untrue.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
And that comment is for the sake of those that don't
see it.

Speaker 5 (11:28):
He said import the third world, become the third
world.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
That is indeed.
In fact, it is concerningbecause of the application of
Islam that we see in other partsof the world.
You'd be right to be concerned,no doubt about that.
I remember when I was in chargeof running Wine Press
Publishing before King Countyprosecutors decided that was
worth destroying that.

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The only time I really gotpushback because we printed all
kinds of different topics wasthere was an author or two that
wanted to write against theMuslim religion.
Was there was an author or twothat wanted to write against the
Muslim religion.
Well, I literally got calls andemails from some Muslim
organization to intimidate me totry and keep from publishing
that.
So it is a real concern.

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Here's the problem.
Who do you think Charlie Kirkis blaming?
The article doesn't really gothrough and go like, yeah, the
fault of this is because but howwould you surmise that Charlie
Kirk is going to state why thisis happening, what the problem
is and what the solutions mightbe?

Speaker 5 (12:35):
Well, I'm pretty sure he's usually slamming the
Democratic liberals that want to.
You know, immigrate.
I think a lot of you know that.
Want to, uh, you know, uh,immigrate.
I think a lot of you know he's.
He's mr, america first, so weshould not be letting all these
immigrants in.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
I think that's generally his stance that would
be true, and it wouldn'tprobably be just democrats.
He blames him, I guess, is heprobably blames republicans, as
we all know, it's kind of auniparty corruption party that's
going on.
According to God, who shouldactually be blamed?

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And obviously I'm going to givea hint here, an answer that is
really the answer.
If you did just a casualreading of the Old Testament, I
mean, just mean you just don'tknow much, but you just have
flipped through the pages or youjust kind of paid attention to
other people's discussion.
When a foreign nation invades agodly nation and I'm kind of

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putting this in Charlie Kirk'sterms who's to blame?

Speaker 5 (13:43):
The people of the godly nation.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
That is correct, and we don't see anything within
this where Charlie Kirk issaying the reason this is
happening throughout New YorkCity is because the church is
falling under judgment.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Play and it's just going to be a little bit of this
clip because it's too long.
Play the Deuteronomy 28.
You'll see it's an MP3 file.
What it does is it startslisting what God's going to do
when a nation is disobedient.
It's found for those who reallywant to dig into it or think
I'm somehow, just, you know, onsmoke.
It's found in Deuteronomy 28.14.

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Go ahead, jacob.

Speaker 7 (14:37):
Deuteronomy 28.14.
Go ahead, jacob, god, and donot carefully follow all his
commands and decrees I am givingyou today.
All these curses will come uponyou and overtake you.
You will be cursed in the cityand cursed in the country.
Your basket and your kneadingtrough will be cursed, the fruit
of your womb will be cursed andthe crops of your land and the

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calves of your herds and thelambs of your flocks and the
calves of your herds and thelambs of your flocks.
You will be cursed when youcome in and cursed when you go
out.
The Lord will send on you curses, confusion and rebuke in
everything you put your hand to,until you are destroyed and
come to sudden ruin because ofthe evil you have done in

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forsaking him.
The Lord will plague you withdiseases until he has destroyed
you.
From the land you are enteringto possess, the Lord will strike
you with wasting disease, withfever and inflammation, with
scorching heat and drought, withblight and mildew, which will
plague you until you perish.

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The sky over your head will bebronze, the ground beneath you
iron.
The Lord will turn the rain ofyour country into dust and
powder.
It will come down from theskies until you are destroyed.
The Lord will cause you to bedefeated before your enemies.
You will come at them from onedirection but flee from them in

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seven, and you will become athing of horror to all the
kingdoms on earth.

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Your carcasses will be food.
Okay, jacob, we'll probablyhave to stop there.
It goes on and on.
You kind of get the idea right.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
I do get the idea.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
And it's very interesting in the first part of
the passage.
I know some people are going tosay this is the Old Testament.
But hey, people always say whatthey want to say to negate
Scripture.
Never mind, scripture says allScripture is useful for training
.
Doesn't Jesus say in Matthew,chapter 28, that preachers and
teachers and disciples andapostles are to teach the people

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to obey everything I havecommanded?

Speaker 5 (16:43):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
It would seem to me this is as relevant as Matthew,
chapter 28.
And isn't our society beinggiven over to disease?
Inflammation?
Isn't that one of the numberone causes in our own land?
Aren't we having difficult withrain?
Isn't weather coming against us?
You go on and on.
Isn't a lot of this coming intofocus?
Or am I wrong on that, jacob?

Speaker 5 (17:05):
you are correct, it's getting bad out there all right
.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
So mr kirk is saying anything, but the church needs
to repent.
Is he saying the reason we'reseeing this muslim call to
prayer is because we are notrepenting before the living God?
We need to fast and pray and weneed to really get back to the

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Word of God.
Is he saying there's anyresponsibility that Christians
are causing this to happen?

Speaker 5 (17:36):
No, he says he'll talk about.
You know people need to turnback to God, but he's
referencing, you know, thosepagan Christians not within the
church, correct?

Speaker 4 (17:48):
Read 1 Peter 4, 17, jacob for us 1 Peter, 4.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Verse 17.
Verse 17.
For it is time for judgment tobegin with the family of God.
And if it begins with us, whatwill the outcome be for those
who do not obey the gospel ofGod?

Speaker 4 (18:14):
It's amazing Where's our eyesight Like when we see
bad things happening, pressurecoming or the Muslim call to
prayer, by the way, being whatdo they call them Islamic?

Speaker 5 (18:25):
I can't think of the words.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Go ahead.
What did you say?

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Oh no, yeah, you're saying Islamic.
Yeah, that's correct.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
Yeah, no, the one of fear Islamophobia.
I can't keep all their littlethings.
Yeah, there's every reason tobe because of the basic tenets
and actions of the religion.
It's not Christians out therewith crusades chopping people's
heads off.
So, yeah, I would be concerned.
But the concern, instead offocusing on that, what you find

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in the book of Queen Esther orGideon or other stories is that
the people of God are underoppression and it's because they
have not repented before God.
There's nothing about CharlieKirk's message or life that is
calling people to godlyrepentance by the power of the
Holy Spirit.
It's barely even calling forrepentance among the church.

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I'll get to that here in just amoment.
But where does judgment begin?
Where should our eyesight firstbe?
Looking at the family of God?
That's right.
Where should our eyesight firstbe looking at the family of God
?
That's right.
Now you're beginning a littlebit of a hint to know why I was
run out of the city of Enumclaw.
Because the church.
The last thing they want to dois they're saved, they're okay.
You know I'm the guilty one, soanybody suggesting otherwise

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just needs to be thrown out oftown.
Kind of thing.
Correct, correct, all right.
Well, let's go to 1 Corinthians1.17, because it's going to get
dicey here in just a minute.
In this particular article thatCharlie Kirk is going through
or that talks about him, thediscussion eventually gets

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around to a girl says I'm incollege, what should be my
career choice?
And Charlie Kirk stated that awoman should only go to college
to find a husband.
True statement or falsestatement, jacob?

Speaker 5 (20:21):
That a woman should only go to college to find a
husband.
That would be a false statement.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Okay, and why would would be a false statement?

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Okay, and why would that be a false statement?
Because you're putting yourlife into your own hands.
You have to seek the Lord onwho you should marry.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Wow you've been trained way too well.
That is the correct answer andthat's kind of where we're
heading.
What Charlie Kirk does is hepresents the gospel with human
wisdom.
Now, it does receive opposition, but it's no different than if
you were a Republican speakingin a Democratic conference.

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They're always in opposition toeach other, correct?
But that's not persecution,certainly not persecution
because of holiness andrighteousness and obedience.
He well, let me read thescripture first.
Before I get too far ahead.
Let's go to first corinthians 1, 17 and 18.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
I'm going to have you read that, jacob for christ did
not send me to baptize, but butto preach the gospel, not with
words of human wisdom, lest thecross of Christ be emptied of
its power, for the message ofthe cross is foolishness to
those who are perishing, but tous who are being saved, it is

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the power of God.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Okay, let's do some fine cutting here.
Is it proper to baptize inJesus Christ?

Speaker 5 (21:45):
It is?

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Jesus said in Matthew , chapter 28,.
That's where the salvationexperience is at to repent and
be baptized, right?
So if you're listening to whatPaul is saying for Christ did
not send me to baptize Well,wait a minute, paul Jesus said
in Matthew 28, just before he'sascending into heaven, what are
we supposed to do?
Go make disciples, baptizingthem, right?

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It looks like thosecontradictions.
You know, if we were in KingCounty Court and they were down
to fine-tuning stuff, this iskind of where they would go in
their nonsense.
For Christ did not send me tobaptize.
Yet Scripture says we are tobaptize, and what he's really
pointing out here is the secondpart.
But to preach the gospel?
Well, everybody would agreewe're supposed to preach the

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gospel, right?
Wouldn't?
Charlie Kirk would say, yeah,we're supposed to preach the
gospel.
Yes, all the Christians in theneighborhood, in the church and
whatever.
I could take a vote, I'm prettymuch sure 100% of the people
would say, yeah, we're supposedto preach the gospel.
But what's not emphasized,what's not even mentioned, where
people don't even understand it, where you just never, ever

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even hear it talked about, isthe next part of it not with
words of human wisdom.
It's human wisdom for CharlieKirk to say oh look, when you go
to college you should be goingto look for a husband, or it's
human wisdom when he says youshould be busy at home.
What's happening is the offenseof the cross.

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The power of the cross toactually transform somebody will
not be presented because itwould cost too much, and again
I'm only talking about finding ahusband, let alone talking
about God's attitude towardmoney, and he's a very wealthy
man.
We could be talking about theoffense associated with that.
What Charlie Kirk has removedor never tasted or doesn't even

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understand, is the offense andthe power of the cross.
So what is presented is humanwisdom.
Jordan Peterson does the samething.
A lot of people talk about JesusChrist.
We'll even quote Scripture.
We've all been guilty of it inour own flesh where we go out to
preach.
But it's framed by human wisdom, human logic.

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Our sermons are coming withhuman stories and human power
and how we can put thingstogether.
There's not the understandingnor the experience of being
really crucified by theoffensive message of the cross,
so that we are crucified tohuman wisdom when it comes to

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preaching the word.
This is at the core of why wewere ran out of the city of
Enumclaw why King Countyprosecutors persecuted us with
false, empty charges against acrime that was impossible.
They were so incensed by theoffense of what was preached

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that they were willing to doillegal things in order to
destroy Correct Jacob.
Correct, and I'll get into justone, just one example of that
here in just a moment.
But let me read this scriptureagain.
For Christ did not send me tobaptize but to preach the gospel
.
Okay, it's how and by whatpower and what means that gospel

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is preached.
You can do it under humanwisdom.
You can go to Bible college,you can open up income paper,
you could just read scriptureday by day, you could go through
a daily Bible, you could betalking about these things.
But there is no power with itbecause it's coming with human
wisdom and I dare say mostpastors, preachers.
Certainly the average layman,the individual in the church,

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does not even understand this.
If I said here, write a paperon preaching the gospel and then
preaching the gospel with humanwisdom and define for me what
the difference is, you thinkthey would be able to do it.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
No.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
But what does human wisdom do?
It says lease the cross ofChrist be emptied of its power.
You see, these pastors go tothese colleges and they'll
debate and they'll logically boxpeople in.
They have a lot of Bibleknowledge and they'll debate and
they'll logically box people in.
They have a lot of Bibleknowledge and they'll raise a
question and then they'll showthe person being cornered.

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Correct, correct, but it's notleading to the offense of the
cross.
It doesn't come with the powerto offend where they want to
pick up stones and throw them atyou.
Look, you can debate withsomebody about the Bible suppose
they're a pagan over here andyou debate with them in human
wisdom and you corner them andthen it just stops.

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It just stops.
They don't want to pick uprocks to stone you.
Now again, I'm not saying youcan't go downtown Seattle and
have a little prayer meeting andall the gays come out to beat
you up.
We're fast approaching thattime period, but that's not the
same thing as presenting it withthe power of God.
The example in Seattle, forexample.
While I kind of support whatthey did, their idea was well,

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we just came in to have a prayermeeting and provide for food
and health care.
It was all this mushy kind ofstuff.
That's a lot of human wisdom.
You're trying to look good,you're trying to look noble,
you're trying to heal, but thehealing doesn't come with well.
I say passing out free bookslike even demons believe, or
saying like gays are also eviland need to repent like all the

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rest of us.
There's no power by the HolyGhost that is penetrating deep
within the sinful heart of a gayor just a Baptist that's
lukewarm or whatever, causingthem to have this reaction like
we are going to destroy you.
One comes with.
Human wisdom certainly hasopposition, but that's not the

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same as godly persecution.
Did I explain that well or didI need to go back over that a
little bit, jacob?
No, you explained it All right.
It says least the cross ofChrist be empty of its power.
So Carly Kirk can talk aboutthe cross, he can talk about
Jesus, he can talk about allthese things.
He can complain and whine aboutthe Muslims doings, doing their
prayer thing, but it's all justhuman wisdom.

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Debating who does this and whodoes that and why women should
go to college and what should bedone there is not just really
honing in on the whole situationby the power of god, so that
everybody's heart is either thefew that repent or the others
are just massively angry.
You just don't see that, okay.

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So let's talk about, let's playcharlie wife the mp4 and let's
dive into what caused kingcounty prosecutors just to lose
their cheerios.
Let us consider 1 Peter, chapter3, verse 3.

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Your beauty should not comefrom outward adornment, such as
braided hair, the wearing ofgold jewelry and fine clothes.
Instead, it should be that ofyour inner self, the unfading
beauty of a gentle and quietspirit which is of great worth
in God's sight.
For this is the way the holywomen of the past who put their

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hope in God used to makethemselves beautiful.
They were submissive to theirown husbands, like Sarah, who
obeyed Abraham and called himher master.
You are her daughters if you dowhat is right and do not give
way to fear.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
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, doesn't she look so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
everybody I love laying in like all over the
place.
It's because we understand ourbiblical roles in our marriage.
He is the head of the householdand I am not a servant.
I am not a slave to the master.
I am his helpmate.
I am the guardian of the homethat is my domain.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
All right, you saw how she was dressed, I didn't do
the whole thing.
She comes walking out, heparades her around.
She got him fine clothes, she'sgot him fine jewelry.
She's strutting around thestage, right.
He doesn't say, hey look,doesn't she look great, meaning
her inner beauty.
Is that what he means?
no no, first peter, three, fiveor six, for this is the way the

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holy women of the past who puttheir hope in god used to make
themselves beautiful.
All right, this is the makeup.
Let's see what God says, whatPeter the apostle states, being
inspired by God.
What beauty is to the Lord?
They were submissive to theirown husbands, to their own

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husbands.
Was there anything about thatwhere she's talking about her
submission and her obedience andher quietness to her husband?
No, not even close.
So we have Charlie Kirk overhere, all upset about Muslim
women and doing the prayer, andyet if you look at the Muslim

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women and you can go to YouTubethey talk about with joy
submitting to their husbands.
Now, I'm not advocating anybodybecome Muslim, but the point is
, who's putting who to shamehere?
If I compare Muslim women toCharlie Kirk's wife, who
actually looks like it'sconforming to Scripture.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
The Muslims are way more submissive.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Absolutely.
Now most people don't know thatwhen King County prosecutors
decided to illegally shut usdown and I'm emphasizing
illegally, because it certainlycrossed every line, easily
provable I could prosecute it.
Any fourth grade levelprosecutor could prosecute it.
What happened behind the scenes?

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It never made it into thecourtroom, but I know that it
all went on that sermon tapesand oh and there, man, there
were so many people there, theywere offended by the offense of
the cross and so it went deep,deep.
It hit into the heart, it hitinto the soul.
If this was just a normalchurch debate, like okay, women

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need to submit to their husband,and this was normal, like I
don't know us against theirchurch, and it was on that
normal human effort level,there'd only been opposition,
but not persecution.
You get my drift.
But because it came by thepower of God, they bumped up
against something that theythemselves couldn't understand

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even at the time.
I don't even know what theyunderstand now, and certainly
since Satan controls thegoverning authorities, he was
able to easily influence.
What I'm after is behind thescenes there was a whole group
of people that we could neverconfront our accusers.
You know that old scriptureabout you're supposed to
confront your accusers?
Right, you remember that?
Yep, I mean, I know that,without even looking at the law.

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Well, they were all worked up.
They knew oh, I'd stolen winepress.
They knew this and this andthis.
One of the things that they, ofcourse, put out there was the
second part of first peter.
Three, five, four, six.
Let me read it for you.
They were submissive to theirown husbands, like sarah.
So this goes clear back to theold testament.

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You can't whine and say, well,that was old testament times.
It doesn't apply today whenpeter himself is referring to
sarah of the old testament, whoobeyed abraham.
Okay, we can get up to people.
At least I don't know.
Do the women, even today,accept the concept they're
supposed to obey their husbands?
No, now, now, finding one iswhat I'm reading here.

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You're not going to find it,not in today.
The, the women, the youngladies, have not even been
remotely raised nor shown byexample how to obey or that you
should obey.
I mean, you're not going tofind it.
Am I wrong on that?

Speaker 5 (33:41):
no, you're right and see, in fact, the the crazy part
is, even charlie kirk wouldadmit, like you know, women it's
.
It's really weird and twistedbecause he'll admit that, like
you know, western women are bad,or you know, like society you
know is bad, but then, yeah,parades his wife and, and then
we're going into the other parthere.
First peter sure it's.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
It's a compromise with the word of god at best
meaning.
Yeah, oh, we believe in theconcept about obedience, but
here's all these other.
Well, let me press on here.
And this is where, really, thepower of the offense of the
cross and I mean by power of theoffense of the cross, not an
offense by what I'm saying, butthe Holy Spirit that is saying

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it and making it alive it sayslike Sarah whoed abraham and
called him her master, didcharlie kirk's wife go up on the
stage and say thank you, master, for all that you do?

Speaker 5 (34:39):
no, I'm laughing, even as I say yeah, I don't like
that, whatever happened the.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
You know all these christians, whatever they do the
minimal like, believe in jesusand the bible, and then you just
kind of milk toast is even alittle too strong.
But suppose you were actuallywalked up on the stage in
clothing that was plain, withoutgold, jewelry, long hair, just

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just basic, doesn't stand out,you know.
You turn to her and say doesn'tshe look great?
And it's just nothing out ofthe norm.
People might I'm not sayingshe's dressed ugly or doity or
whatever, but just so plainpeople go.
Well, that's an out-of-placestatement, it doesn't really
reflect what she looks like.
And she turned to him and saidMaster, well, I don't know how

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would the conversation go.
Like here's my wife, doesn'tshe look beautiful?
And she go.
I know my place in my role, Icall him master, and so I leave
him to do the teaching andinstruction and walk off the
stage uh, yeah, she definitelydidn't do that, nor would it
happen.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Yeah, why is she even on the stage anyways?
Why is she on the?
Stage.
Anyways, yeah, yeah, correct,well, yeah, because if you, if
you read go for it first,breeder three, five and six
right and, and a christian womansays, yes, I want to live this.
Even if it's like, even ifthey're like, it's my goal to
live this.
You would never be out on thestage with them because you're

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that.
Your place is not on the stage.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Now, true, godly women are supposed to be like
the Holy Spirit, very quiet andbehind the scenes and supportive
of what God does.
That's their example.
Can you imagine when Judge LoriK Smith and believe me, they
talked about this behind thescenes and all those five
prosecutors See a lot of thefive prosecutors, mark Larson,
they all claim to be Christians.
Can you imagine, especially theway it was framed by the hate

(36:33):
crime instigator?
Yeah, he teaches that the womenshould call their husbands
master.
Can you imagine One day I'llsee it in glory because God
recorded.
Can you imagine the visceralhatred and just
self-righteousness that welledup and go?
We've got to take this down.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
Oh yeah, they would not like that.
Nobody likes that.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
No, then it would go.
Yeah, they're teaching theyoung girls that are growing up
to call their husbands master,or just to be married, not to go
to college.
I mean, you can just take thisand inflame anybody all the way
you want to, and of course,you're putting it and framing it
in a context that justhyperventilates the hatred and
the objection to it all.

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That is the offense of thecross, because the power comes
in being for a woman being ableto call her husband master.
That's where the power is andthe only way that you can really
get there.
Well, there's two ways.
One is the human wisdom.
Muslim women do this, but it'snot by the power of Jesus Christ
, it's not power of the cross,it's human wisdom based on human

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logic and all of those things.
Does it look kind?
Does it look?
Yes, but it's just human effort, whereas you're talking about
Sarah, by the power of the HolySpirit, calling her husband
master and the power that isunleashed with that kind of
submission.
I don't see it anywhere withinthe church today.

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No, in fact, do you know of anygrandmothers that are training
the younger women and thegrandchildren coming up the
power and the beauty of callingyour husband master?
I don't know of any, none infact.
They're probably, if they'reeven listening to this, are the
first ones picking up the stonesto get rid of me now, for the

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sake of context, uh,prosecutorcutor Simmons, because
again you probably lost yourCheerios or Froot Loops or
whatever it is you consider tobe worthwhile.
Nothing about calling a husbandmaster is law or rule.
Jacob in Sound Doctrine Churchdid you ever really hear at all
any woman call her husbandmaster?

Speaker 5 (38:46):
No.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
No, not on a regular day-to-day so did.
You actually did hear it then alittle bit uh, no, well, you,
you would only hear it.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Uh, you know being preached or there was like
discussions about it or whatever, but not in the day-to-day
context, not on, you know, on anaverage daily basis.
Correct, you heard it preachedSure, but did you actually hear

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the women obeying the preaching?
Again, it was more kind of youwould hear like kind of jokey or
like you know you'd hearreferences, but not on an actual
daily basis.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
All right, it didn't happen.
I mean, the discussion iscorrect, but that's all just
whatever.
It's all discussion and it'skind of laughy at it.
But if Prosecutor Simmons oranybody actually would have
showed up to church, would theyhave heard anybody refer to

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their husbands as master?

Speaker 5 (39:53):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Would any of the young women growing up refer to
or go Mommy, why aren't youcalling Daddy Master?
I'm not hearing it anymore.
Would it be strange in churchfor a little girl not to hear
the word master?
uh yeah, the little girl wouldnot ask that question no, it
wouldn't even stand out and youcouldn't you know.

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If at home, the wife wascalling her husband master day
in and day out, and then sheshows up at church and doesn't
do it.
The first thing children do isgo.
What are you doing, mommy?
You're not.
If she said hey, joe, orwhoever she was married to, and
didn't use the word masterincluded, the child would have
spoken up or given a reaction.
Right, correct?

(40:36):
The reason for this is twofold,prosecutor Simmons.
Number one the women in thechurch didn't have hearts and
spirits that were willing to doit, and nothing about sound
doctrine ever forced anyone toobey anything.
There was no law, there was norule, there was no demand, it

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was not in any contract.
I didn't walk around with anattitude ever saying you know,
every wife needed to call herhusband master.
The church failed at it.
They're not willing to do it.
Correct, jacob?
Correct?
Do you hear Charlie Kirk going?
Okay, we need to have revivalin the church and really look at

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Scripture again and surrenderourselves to the offense of the
cross.
So let every woman going tocollege or every single woman
that's at home, begin to preparethemselves to literally call
their future husband master.
No, why not?

(41:41):
Why wouldn't he do that, jacob?

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Because he doesn't have the offense of the cross.

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Yeah, Also would he lose his million-dollar home
unless he's got some really goodinvestments?

Speaker 5 (41:50):
Yes, he would.
Well, he would also not begetting his investment callers
calling him.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
That is correct.
Would people be inviting him tocome speak?

Speaker 5 (41:59):
No, he would be very isolated and shunned and no one
would want anything to do withhim.
Oh, I guess actually, the firstpeople who would cry out, of
course, is all the women.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
They thing to do with him.
Oh, I guess, actually, thefirst people who would cry out,
of course, is all the women.
They would then, you know, bantheir husbands from talking to
charlie kirk.
Well, they, they ban.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yeah, exactly, they would become the boss and say I
have no way.
I'm calling you master, we'renot going to his house, you
better not have anything to dowith that man I like that.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
That's pretty good, jacob.
Again, prosecutor simmons, noneof this was ever forced.
But let me tell you and thechurch wasn't there and that's a
failure of the church, of thepeople in the church but you
don't make up for that by law orlegalism Didn't want anybody
following God without theirheart being in.
It Didn't matter.

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See, the problem with thedefense of the cross it doesn't
matter.
It's the fact that what Ididn't matter see the problem
with defense of the cross, itdoesn't matter it's the fact
that what I didn't do wascompromise the truth.
I I continued to teach.
Well, this is what should bedone and this is the way that it
should be done and this is whatgod says is truth.
I'm not bending from that.
Even my own wife at the time II'm widowed now did not call me

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master and I have to be honest.
It wasn't in her heart to gothere and I didn't force it and
I never would force it.
That doesn't mean I didn'tpreach it.
That doesn't mean that shedidn't feel the pressure of
God's word.
But I didn't personally comehome in this big bravado like a
rooster crowing.
I didn't act like a prosecutorand say you have to do this

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rooster crowing.
You know, I didn't act like aprosecutor and say you have to
do this.
This is the law, right, jacob?
Correct?
I prayed, I hoped, I served her, I loved her, I preached the
truth, hoping one day that shewould get to the point that
she's willing to do that.
Not that I ever required it,and if she started doing it with
all the joy and the power ofthe holy spirit, I probably
would have allowed it.

(43:48):
Let me give you a story.
You weren't even born at thetime, jacob, so this goes way,
way back.
You're up in your 30s.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
Yeah, I'm in my late 30s.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Late 30s, so this goes way back Always had small
churches.
That's not the point.
So I just preached this wholeconcept and the power behind
being submissive and I said,okay, ladies, for a week again,
only for a week let practicecalling your husband master,

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just practice.
You know, people go through.
Certainly go praise andholiness, practice, right, don't
?
We all have worship teams andstuff.
Everybody likes to do all theseother and I'm putting in quotes
good things in jesus christthat they enjoy doing, but not
the offense of the cross.
Anyway it.
It didn't work, and by that Imean the women were not able to

(44:43):
do it.
They would instead of like youcouldn't call your husband by
name, you couldn't go, hey, joe,uh, and get his attention.
Or you couldn't go, hey,sweetie, or whatever it is that
you used.
You, you had to go, master, canyou pass me the salt?
Master, can we leave now?
Although if you're callingsomebody master, yeah, whatever,

(45:04):
so none of the women could doit.
One woman eventually did wind updoing it.
He, he's getting ready to leavefor work and he says she says,
uh, goodbye, master.
And then she runs to thebathroom and cries yeah, yeah, I
know, prosecutor simmons, youwant to prosecute me and send me
to jail because somebody criedwithin the church.

(45:25):
But you know that's a whole.
I know that you've thrown outthe law.
I know you don't care about theConstitution and Judge Lori K
Smith cares nothing aboutfreedom of religion except to
crush it, but that'snevertheless what happened.
So you can imagine all of thesestories and that story would
have continued down through theyears.
Hit King County Prosecutor'sOffice.
So they didn't care becausethey, illegally, were going to

(45:46):
take us down simply because ofthat.
Make sense, jacob.
Yes, I want to make sure I'mnot leaving anything out.
I'm not a real good storytellerof past events.
Is it risky?
Yes, does it cause turmoil offaith?
Yeah, it's called a life offaith.
It's called being a disciple ofJesus Christ.

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It's called a life of faith.
It's called being a disciple ofJesus Christ.
1 Peter 3, 5-6 ends you are herdaughters if, if you do what is
right and do not give way tofear.
I don't have time to look intoit.
And the beauty of it all, sarahwas put in compromising
situations.
You know, part of the pain ofwatching women not at least even

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having an attitude of callingtheir husband master is they
don't give God time to work.
You know, charlie Kirk, when hegives advice.
You know, go to college to finda husband.
The goal there is to find thehusband of your soulmate, one
that you really love and the onethat you really like.
You brought it up earlier.

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There's no praying about.
Well, which husband do you wantme to have?
Right, correct?
Let me read just a little bit ofquote again from the article.
It says After the girlmentioned that she was
interested in pursuing a careerin political journalism, kirk
asked all the young girls in theaudience to raise their hands
if their top priority was to getmarried and have kids.

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All logical discussion, allhuman wisdom, that kind of thing
.
But he didn't say well, shouldyou even be in college?
Let me rephrase it this way Ifevery Christian woman that is
looking to get married literallyunderstood in faith to call her

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husband master, what would betheir reaction?
It's hard to envision, but ifthey really believe that was
true, they were going to do thatand they were raised.
I call my husband master.
What would that cause them todo?

(47:56):
Jacob?

Speaker 5 (47:57):
We're saying that, the young women, the people that
Charlie Kirk is talking to.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
Yeah, or any of the young women today.
You'll hear revival broke outat Texas U or Christian this.
Like you'll hear revival brokeout at Texas U or Christian this
.
And you never find the womenquitting the college to find a
husband to call master and thenbegin to focus in on the kids
and the family correct, correct.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
You know, what's super common nowadays in society
is that kids come out ofcollege and they're broke and so
they move back in with theirparents, right, but you never
hear of the women saying youknow what I really feel like I
shouldn't be here at college.
I'm going to repent.
I'm going to go back home andlive with my parents and just
sit quietly and wait on the Lordto bring me a husband.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
All right, you're getting close there.
What if that girl knew that shehad to call her husband master?
What more would that cause tohappen within her spirit?
uh, she would get very quietvery quiet if, if women, the
young ladies, really believethat, wouldn't that drive you to

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your knees?
Yeah, because you'd be going,lord, before you send me this
husband that I'm going to needto call a husband and trust you
to deal with, you're going tohit your knees.
Going, lord, bring me thehusband that is for me.
You make the decision.
It would cause every woman togive up her viewpoint, her

(49:20):
opinion of what she wants orwhat she's after, because she's
going to trust God.
But she's going to also realizethat, lord, if you leave me to
make this choice, odds are I'mgoing to make a mistake Because
the consequences are huge.
Now I don't want anybodywhining that the NIV is the one
that uses the term master.
If you read all the otherversions, you've got the Living

(49:44):
Translation, the EnglishStandard Version, the version,
the brilliant standard bible,the brilliant literal bible,
king james bible because we knowwho's into king james, right,
jacob, all right.
New, the new king james version.
The new american standard bibleversion.
The nsb of 1995, which, by theway, is kind of one of my
favorites.
It still has the these andthous but it's not overdone like

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the King James Version.
The NSB 1977, the Legacy StudyBible, the Amplified Bible,
which is really just a lot ofwords.
Christian Standard Bible.
Holman's Christian StandardBible.
American Standard Bible.
Okay, you get the idea right.
I'm not going to keep goingdown the line.
They all translate it as justsarah obeyed abraham, calling

(50:29):
him lord.
So take your pick yeah, take apick I really call him master,
call him lord.
What's funny is I've read theniv to a lot of people and
they'll go oh man, you know,master, that you know.
Only jesus christ is my lord.
I've that before.
Then I go to all the otherversions.

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Well, you're supposed to callhim Lord.
Obviously that's a little LLord, but that's very close to
the Lord.
Jesus Christ, right?
Yes, so in Baptist circles, ifa woman calls her husband Lord,
the immediate reaction withinthe heart and the mind is going
to be the capital L Lord meaningJesus Christ.
In fact, try to get a Baptistto say just Jesus Christ is Lord

(51:12):
or Jesus Christ is my Lord,personal Savior.
It just rolls off the tongueall the time.
Am I right on that?
Because I don't go to theBaptist church.

Speaker 5 (51:19):
This is correct.
Well, I think in mostdenominations everybody.
Yeah, jesus Christ is Lord.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
Yes, indeed, I think I've kind of pounded this point
enough.
Charlie Kirk, if you'reinterested in the offensive
message of the cross reallylosing everything for Jesus
Christ, give me a buzz or startwith the book.
Even Demons Believe.
You won't even probably make itthrough that one.

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Then there's insanity in thechurch.
Yes, yes, I know, prosecutorSimmons, I write the books and
according to King Countyprosecutors, that's worthy of
mention in a trial at the end,that Timothy Williams writes the
books, you'll be happy to know.
I haven't written any new bookssince you threw me out of town

(52:05):
and illegally put a man inprison, so I guess you can kind
of relax.
But if you don't mind, I'd liketo mention to Charlie Kirk that
I do have some books he couldread that would bring all of
this into focus and that if youreally wanted to repent and lay
it all on the line for JesusChrist, that's a good place to
start.
No, it's not equal to the Bible.
No, he doesn't have to have me,but that's just how it works

(52:27):
that God chooses to work throughmen.
Is that kind of clear?
Prosecutor, jason Simmons, markLarson, the other five, so on
and so forth.
In fact, at the end of thisparticular show, jacob, I have a
thing called the About.
That'll kind of lay thisgroundwork again for other
people who don't know the ugly,vile story of allowing City of

(52:48):
Enumclaw Detective Grant McCallto induce a hate crime and
destroy a church that hedespised.
So where are we at now?
Because prosecutors haveliterally, literally destroyed
relationships between men andwomen.
Not only has the church, likeCharlie Kirk and others, using

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the Lord's name in vain andusing Scripture and selected
portions of it, destroyedrelationships, taken all the
power out of the cross.
I mean you don't find a groupof Christians, women calling
their husbands master, orChristians really picking a
cross and denying self, puttingto shame the Muslim call to
prayer.
Instead, we're going aboutready to be taken captive.

(53:35):
All right, jacob, let's seewhere we are currently at and
play this next clip calledCoffee at Fox News.
We've been on.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
Gutfield.
Before we went on that one time, you had a pretty long-standing
position with them right on GutField, probably about a year
and a half or so.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
But, they canceled me from theshow.
Why'd they do that?
Oh, for asking a woman forcoffee at Fox News.
You know why?

Speaker 5 (54:00):
they canceled you.

Speaker 6 (54:00):
This is true.
They said I got to go on GutField.
Why don't?
She said great, gave her myphone, puts her number in.
I walk away and I nearly gettackled by security.
He goes you've been reportedfor harassment.
I thought I literally was likeyou have the wrong guy.
I thought I was in a prank show.
I go, I just asked to go forcoffee.
I goes that against policy?

(54:20):
He goes, bro, crazy here.
Just please go with me.
These women are nuts.
He was totally on my side.
Then he hides me in an elevatorshaft because these are coming
down the hall.
Yeah, it was humiliating andI'm on my way to go on gunfire.
You can't kick me out, I'mgoing on TV.
And so they canceled my nextappearance and they just were

(54:41):
like sorry, can't have you back.
You know the schedule's bookedand I could just tell I knew it
was from that thing.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
What do you think, Jacob Pretty crazy.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Literally, you cannot Think about what happened.
He wants to take the girl outon a date, so he says why don't
we go do coffee sometime?
Aside from all the cuss wordsand all of that stuff, that's
all he's doing.

Speaker 5 (55:06):
Correct.

Speaker 4 (55:07):
So you know, Prosecutor Jason Simmons, and
all you prosecutors that like todo your, you know vile things
that you do to drive everybodyapart.
How then are you supposed toask somebody out on a date
safely?
You can't.
And here's the weird part.
He goes up to her and he saysyeah, why don't we meet for
coffee sometime?

(55:27):
Right, and what's her?

Speaker 5 (55:29):
reaction she gives him her phone number.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Right, no doubt she's got a smile on her face, sure.
And what's her reaction?
She gives him her phone number,right, no doubt she's got a
smile on her face.
Sure, let's exchange numbers.
And then he's reported by herto HR and gets fired and kicked
out.
Now this comes back to againwhat we see with prosecutors
across the country why isn't sheprosecuted for setting him up?

(55:55):
You know, it'd have been onething if he said, yeah, why
don't we do coffee sometime?
And she said, no, I'm notinterested and please don't ask
me again, correct?
And then he goes at her.
But even then, once you knowtwo or three times what you know
, there's one of the uh hosts Ican't think of his name jet, is
it waters?
What?
What's his first name?
Jesse Waters, jesse Waters.
He was already married at thetime, so we'll have to ignore

(56:17):
the whole adultery thing.
There's a woman there at FoxNews that he's now married to.
And do you know what he did sothat he could stop and talk to
her?
No, he let the air out of hertire so that he comes in right
at the proper time and changesher tire.
Sneaky, this is like on theshow.
Yeah, now he's not fired,correct.

(56:41):
So there's a whole amount ofhypocrisy here and I didn't want
to get too sidetracked.
My main point here is this isall reasonable territory and yet
she is setting him up to bedestroyed.
You know what it reminds me of?
Most people don't know?
At Sound Doctrine Church, notonly did we have the power of
the cross to keep sexualimmorality in check, if you want

(57:02):
to put it in a worldly way.
Thank you, jake.
I'm glad you found that thatwas fast.
We had the power of the cross,we also did the worldly things,
the background checks which, bythe way, everybody in the trial
said oh, I don't remembersigning those when it was a
whole big event.
I mean, they lied through theirteeth on, well, on everything.

(57:22):
Um, there was a social workerthat we had in the church, had
been there for decades, decades.
She was there till the very end.
So she's testifying at thetrial about sound doctrine
church and our precautions, keepin mind.

(57:43):
This is a social worker workingfor the state of washington.
Well, she doesn't do the partyline, she doesn't bury the
church, she doesn't come in andgo.
Well, yeah, I had questions orwhatever it is he wanted, or
insinuations or whatever.
Right, she stands firm.
She stands firm again.
In other words, she presentedthe truth.

(58:04):
You know he's saying well, whydidn't you get rid of this
person?
They were causing so muchtrouble.
And she wisely turns and sayswell, we are devoted to one
another.
And don't you think that waslike when he goes, why did you
need a?
Um, literally, simmons objectedto an abuse prevention policy
in the church.
He says well, why is a churchso small that it needs an abuse

(58:26):
prevention policy?
Now, I'm telling you that's thelength and more that King
County prosecutors went to.
They object to us having anabuse prevention policy.
And he's saying this to asocial worker who works for the
state of Washington.
And she goes well, don't youthink that's pretty smart to do?

(58:49):
All right, so it's all done.
She's held her ground.
By that I mean she stated theobvious truth.
And if she's getting ready tobe dismissed, he sarcastically
says well, thank you very much.
Now he uses her name.
We've got the videotape, we'vegot the proof of it all his
sarcasm comes out clear.

(59:10):
Well, guess, guess.
What happened Jacob, after thetrial is over with Malcolm
Frazier, is unjustly foundguilty because the jury said
they didn't pay any attention toall that stuff.
They only listened to what thefalse accuser had to say.
So we had a 28-day trial, allthese different accusations by

(59:30):
the state and so on and so forth, and there's, like this hour
maybe, discussion with theaccusation and the juror says,
oh, we ignored all that and justlistened to her.
Well, I thought juries weresupposed to examine all the
evidence, right?
Isn't that kind of obvious?
Yes, I didn't even do that, andthat's just a superficial
analysis.

(59:51):
All right, long story short.
Trial's over with.
He's found guilty.
We're being ran out of town.
The pressure's on at that point, because clearly the city of
Uniclone now has the power torun us out.
And the person that had begunthe hate crime multi-leveled the
hate crime, got everybodystirred up.
We were literally forced out oftown as this person stole

(01:00:14):
property.
So on as a fourth and begin tomove forward with the lies with
even greater speed.
Well, guess what began tohappen to this social worker,
jacob I don't remember this youwouldn't have been.
There was so much going on.
That's's just my angle.
The place where she worked wasjust outside Enumclaw.

(01:00:37):
They began to set her up tofire her, to harass her.
One of the fellow workers comesto her and goes hey, and she
actually sold Juice Plus on theside.
She goes yeah, you know, I hearyou got Juice Plus, I'd like to
buy some, right?
So the social worker says, okay, fine, here's my number, we'll

(01:01:01):
do whatever.
That was the extent of it.
Bang.
Guess what's next?
She's hauled in.
The social worker's hauled inbecause it is against the rules
to have a side hustle to sellanything while at work.
And they don't just reprimandher, she has to begin to do
reports.
They begin to lay down thesehoops that it became extremely

(01:01:23):
obvious.
You were trying to make it sorough to kick her out, to wear
her down, to punish her, toshame her.
They use something asinsignificant as that to begin
to punish her, to shame her.
They used something asinsignificant as that to begin
to destroy her employment therebecause she didn't follow
Prosecutor Simmons' expectationof what should be declared in

(01:01:43):
the court of law, which tellsyou that when Prosecutor Simmons
is drawing in all these stateofficials and all these other
prosecutors, which he didn't do.
They would have just given theparty line, no matter what.
Nobody there, when it comes tothese false accusations, is
actually looking for truth.
They all just come in tosupport one another.
This continues to go on and ofcourse I'm watching this because
, like, okay, you want to playthis game, I'm going to watch

(01:02:05):
this, play it way out.
And somehow I had mentionedthis in emcloudcom or what's
going on, the long story short.
One day she shows up to workand they go okay, it's all over
with.
They dropped all therequirements of what she was

(01:02:27):
supposed to do.
So when the light began to hit,or I began to reveal what was
going on in Enumclaw, theybacked off.
And I was still in contact withKing County prosecutors at that
point telling them look, I holdyou guys responsible for what
you've done.
Word probably came down backoff because he's still watching.
He's not going away.
My question in both of thesesituations is why isn't the

(01:02:47):
person like the person sayingyeah, let's have coffee together
, brought up on charges forlaying a trap?
Why is it the person coming inlike I'd like to buy juice plus
not reprimanded for setting thesituation up.
The person saying, yeah, I wantto buy juice plus, or whatever
it is, clearly knew the rulecorrect the woman that is

(01:03:08):
turning down coffee or acceptingcoffee clearly knows she can
use that as a power play.
So why isn't it that theseindividuals are also being
brought up on charges ofentrapment?

Speaker 5 (01:03:21):
because that's classic entrapment uh, I don't
have an exact answer for you youdon't?

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
well, I do, but we're out of time, so let's pick it
up on the next show.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
Malcolm Fraser, defendant Case number
12-1-01886-0.
K&t and the related parties ofSound Doctrine Church, Wine
Press Publishing or PastorTimothy Williams, all of which
were driven out of the city ofEnumclaw in Washington State.
It was not just a maliciousprosecution or just a result of

(01:03:58):
the Washington Supreme Court'sright rape rulings, nor was it a
miscarriage of justice or afailure of the legal system.
It certainly was not a trialbased on just ignorance,
incompetence or legalfoolishness.
It was, by all evidence, aconspiracy of legal officials,
slanderers and liars to destroythose involved, criminally

(01:04:21):
framed up an innocent man todestroy a righteous Christian
church and should be servingtime in prison.
Liars were invited, protectedand enhanced.
Evidence was ignored whileevery corrupt application of the
law was applied to destroy thedefense.
Calls for investigation weresilenced.

(01:04:42):
Illegal use of laws to ensure ashow trial conviction, crushing
proper legal procedures whilecrushing the facts of the hate
crime conspiracy, all under thedark tent of Washington State's
prejudices against Christians.
Consider not just crimes that aholy God considers illegal, but
earthbound crimes written oncurrent law books.

(01:05:04):
Consider just one federal lawthe Honest Services Fraud Law 18
USC S 1346,.
Honest Services Fraud Law 18USC S 1346 was committed by
Washington State, seattle, kingCounty, washington.
Judge Beth M Mandris.
Judge Lori K Smith, prosecutorDan Satterberg.

(01:05:27):
Prosecutor Mark Larson,prosecutor Lisa Johnson,
prosecutor Nicole Weston,prosecutor Rich Anderson,
prosecutor Jason Simmons,prosecutor Lisa Mannion,
prosecutor David Seaver, city ofEnumclaw, detective Grant
McCall and co-conspirators.
These and more had all bestconsider repenting, for God

(01:05:52):
promises to remember theircrimes.
Then I heard another voice fromheaven say Come out of her, my
people, so that you will notshare in her sins, so that you
will not receive any of herplagues, for her sins are piled
up to heaven.
And God has remembered hercrimes Revelation 18, 4 and 5.

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