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#94 October 2025 The Consider Podcast

Most pass their days in a daze, but not so on The Consider Podcast.

It is time to consider:

Alaska, beer, airplanes, and drunk legal Courts.

The Devil’s turf is labeled Democrat and Republican.

Time to consider Turning Point USA

And, as a bonus, we have some pizza evidence for Seattle’s King County Prosecutors to consider.

All of this on The Consider Podcast in the year of our Lord 2025.

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_04 (00:06):
Most pass their days and a day.
But not so on the Considerpodcast.
It's time to consider Alaska,Beer, Airplanes, and Drunk Legal
Court.
The Devil's Turf labeledDemocrat and Republican.
Time to consider Turning PointUSA.

(00:29):
And as a bonus, we have somepizza evidence for Seattle's
King County Prosecutor toconsider.
All of this on the ConsiderPodcast in the year of our Lord,
2025.

SPEAKER_07 (00:50):
Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we
examine today's wisdom, folly,and madness.

SPEAKER_06 (00:57):
More information can be found at www.consider.info.
Now, here are your hosts,Timothy and Jacob.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08):
How's it going, Jacob?
Nice fall days headed our way.

SPEAKER_15 (01:12):
It's going good.
It's cool and crisp and sunnyall at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 (01:17):
One of my favorite times of the year.
Hey, I got another job for you.
I'm always looking, you know,every show.
It's like find a better job forJacob so he can mature and what
have a better self-esteem.
So this is an employmentopportunity?
It is a career of a lifetime.

SPEAKER_15 (01:37):
Oh, really?
This is a rare thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
You'll you'll want to do thisall the way up into your 90s and
your 80s.
Um it's being a bush pilot inAlaska.

SPEAKER_15 (01:49):
Okay, yeah.
I've I've heard of this concept.

SPEAKER_02 (01:51):
You you've been to Alaska, you know, all those
planes landing, because to getinto the back area of Alaska,
you they really don't have rowsdesigned for that.
So, you know, they have theplanes with the water.
A lot of planes, yeah.
I guess those are called skis.
I don't really know.
Uh floats.

SPEAKER_15 (02:06):
They got the float planes, they got wheels, they
got skis for yeah, landing onsnow and ice.
They have it all.
A lot of little planes.

SPEAKER_02 (02:14):
Lots of beautiful, you know, you're most of the
time you're probably flyingalong the coastline so you can
see the ocean, and then othertimes as you're flying inland,
you know, you can see all thosestranded hunters out there, and
every you just wave and say hito everybody as you're flying
on.
Beautiful country, though.
Be beautiful, right?
Yeah.
As far as I know, there aren'tany mosquitoes up that high

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because Alaska has a fewskeeters that like to get a hold
of you.
Anyway, now there are dangers,uh obviously dangers.
Can you name a couple?
Because I I wouldn't want tothrow you into a career without
you really thinking about like,okay.
I mean, you get a plane, you youget, let's just say, a Cessna,
you 206D.
I don't know what that is, butCessna is very popular.

(02:57):
Okay.
Very popular.
Um, you get a plane, you own theplane, you fly for 40, 50 years,
maybe.

SPEAKER_15 (03:04):
That's a very long time.

SPEAKER_02 (03:06):
Interested.
I mean, and because you'remechanical, so you can do your
own repair work.

SPEAKER_15 (03:11):
Some of the maintenance.
I could do some of themaintenance myself.

SPEAKER_02 (03:13):
Yeah, I'm sure you also have to have certified and
all that.
But if you ever got I you know,I'd want to fly with you because
if we ever had to go down insomewhere else, there's at least
the hope of you being able tofix it.
Whereas with me, um, the onlyhope is that I can pray for you
as you fix the case.
Yes.
Okay.
So you're interested in that.
I mean, and you get the cooloutfits.
I know I'm dragging this out,but you get you know, the

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jackets and that.
But that's good.
But there are go ahead.

SPEAKER_15 (03:39):
No, no, no.
Yeah, I mean, this sounds like agreat job, other than I don't
live in Alaska, but if I livedat Alaska, this sounds like a
promising career.

SPEAKER_02 (03:46):
Well, we could do a GoFundMe, you know, so I can
move to Alaska routine.
Okay.
Um now there are dangers, ofcourse.
Can you think of some?
Uh weather bears.
Bears?
Well, if you got a land.

SPEAKER_15 (04:02):
No, if you got a land, if you got a land, there's
like bears, giant moose couldrush you, whiny clients.
There's gonna be a lot of whinyclients.

SPEAKER_02 (04:09):
Okay, so whiny clients uh clients are you can
charge an extra fee when you'rewhen the crashes happen.
Crash could happen.
You can hit a bird.
Birds, you bet bird strikes.
Yep.
And then well, now there is onelarger danger you need to know
about, and that is the legalsystem will shut you down.

SPEAKER_15 (04:32):
Um this is not a surprise.
What's the what are they gonnashut me down over?

SPEAKER_02 (04:38):
Well, the prosecutors are gonna, you know,
the police are gonna make theirarrest and do their thing, and
they're uh no nonsense, yougotta file the law.
Because you know, we all know,right, Jacob, nobody's exempt
from the law, right?

SPEAKER_15 (04:51):
No one is exempt.
But what are they gonna arrestme for?
If you're like flying drugs, ifyou're drug smuggling, this you
might get arrested.

SPEAKER_02 (04:58):
Might.
Yeah, you might get arrested,but in this you will always get
arrested.
Oh, you always get arrested,okay.
Play the clip and let's listenin and we'll talk about it.

SPEAKER_04 (05:09):
See that plane in the sky?
Hear the roar of the engines.
The plane is a Cessna U-206D,flying folks and products into
the Alaska backwoods.
Unbeknown to the owner, KenJupee, an 82-year-old Alaskan
bush pilot, there is a horror inthe backseat.

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The horror, you ask?
Hang on to your parachute.
The horror is Are You Ready?
Unopened beer cans and a stackof groceries.
Enter the Alaska Supreme Court,ruling that the 82-year-old's

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$92,000 airplane should beconfiscated by the state of
Alaska.
Just your fine old corruptprosecutors at work nationwide.
Amos 310.
They do not know how to doright, declares the Lord, who
hoard, plunder, and loot intheir fortresses.

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SPEAKER_02 (06:32):
Still interested, Jacob?

SPEAKER_15 (06:34):
Um, I'm less interested.
I thought Alaska was supposed tobe like the last frontier and
wild and free.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Not anymore.

SPEAKER_02 (06:45):
Freedom doesn't pretty much anywhere.

SPEAKER_15 (06:48):
But yeah, it is crazy that, yeah, even that kind
of stuff goes on.
What do they even do with thisplane other than the money?
They take the guy.

SPEAKER_02 (06:56):
They can fly around and chase other bad guys, quote,
and I'm putting that in quotesbad guys to seize their stuff.
I mean, this is a lucrativebusiness at this point.

SPEAKER_15 (07:04):
Yeah, now there's a precedence.
Whatever, what's that called,you know, like with a court's
case law.
This is case law.

SPEAKER_02 (07:11):
What's our well, first of all, he's 82 years old.
You see this, of course.
I realize the demographics ofthe country is getting older,
but more and more and more thecourts are picking on old
people.
You're seeing young people beatup old people.
Yeah.
Um, that's a whole other podcastand of itself.
But the whole respect forindividuals, I mean, this is

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absurd.
It's flat out absurd.
Now, somebody's gonna say,because the law does say, and I
won't bring it up for you now.
I looked at it, I couldn'tbelieve when I'm reading it, but
the law says if you fly, orexcuse me, if you transport
alcohol to a dry area, like nomatter how it says no matter how
small the amount, you forfeiteverything that you use to

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transport it.
That is wild.
That first of all, this lawshould have been declared
unconstitutional a long timeago.
Don't even come to me and go,oh, well, that's the law.
No, that's a law that should notexist.
And you can blame the uh AlaskaSupreme Court for not kicking it
out decades ago when it camethere.
Yeah.
Number two, and you know, thisis just a real beef.

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Since when do we as Americancitizens have to act as police
and those in authority forgovernment?
We're not government agents.
No.
And I don't even give me this,well, in order to have the
privilege to fly, and flying'snot a right.
No.
Yeah.
The flying is a right, drivingis a right, you have to have it
to exist.
To make this man a last82-year-old man an agent for the

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state of Alaska to do searchesto discover this stuff is
absurd.

SPEAKER_15 (08:48):
Oh, yeah.
I guess at the minimum, the guywho bought the beer knowingly
was transporting it, but thisguy didn't even know.
Yeah, what what is it?
What he he's like a DEI, no, DEAagent.
Yeah.
ATF.
Alcohol pilot.

SPEAKER_02 (09:05):
Let me see your purse, let me look in over
there.
It's an absurd law to even haveon the books.
That's crazy.
You know, somebody needs to suethe state of Alaska for time and
pay if you're an agent of thestate without ever being
employed by the state.
Because they have no businessforcing me to rat on my neighbor
to check somebody else.
It'd be like saying when I go ona plane, I have to look in

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people's luggage to make surethere isn't anything there.
Yeah, yeah.
Your neighbor's luggage.
Excuse me, ma'am.
Let me see your purse, please.
Okay, here's the ironic part.
They they not only they arrestedhim at the moment, whatever that
moment was, seize the plane atthat moment, yeah, and he spent
a day and a half, or I want tosay three days in jail.

SPEAKER_15 (09:48):
Okay.
Wow.
Just sitting there all over asix-pack, as they call it.

SPEAKER_02 (09:54):
Well, technically, I dug a little bit more.
Oh, okay.
There was two cases of beer.
Oh, gas, but 12 pack.
Now, the one case was um what'scalled the diet bud that got in
trouble?
Bud Light.
Oh, like a Bud Light, yeah.
So this is light beer.
A case, well, a case of BudLight.
Now, he should have beenarrested for that.

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You know, you need to be flyingthat stuff in.
So that's all there was.
But they didn't go for theperson who bought it in their
grocery.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Who knowingly that got into theplane and allowed it to happen.
And the person that knew thatthat particular, and they don't
have counties there.

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I found that out later.
That section of Alaska is a drydry county or whatever.
Dry county.
You get my point, right?

SPEAKER_15 (10:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The area is dry.

SPEAKER_02 (10:47):
And here's the kicker.
The lady, the wife, was gettingthe two cases of beer for her
husband, who's the postmaster ofthe town.
Oh, whoa, really?
Yep.
As far as I know, they didn'tseize his car.
They didn't take her percentfired as a federal employee.
Oh, tell me about it.

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Or he's privileged and federallaw surpassed.
I wonder if you can mail itthere.
I kind of doubt it.
Yeah, probably.
Look, first of all, if thisparticular county junction
section, finger of Alaska, wantsto be tried, then it's their
responsibility to pay forsomebody to search incoming
packages and planes that arelanding.
This is not the obligation ofthe pilot.

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No.
Period.
No.
He's not an agent of thatcounty, and he's not an agent of
the Alaska government.
So, you know what?
It's called the Pursuit ofHappiness, Alaska Supreme Court.
So leave us alone.
And I don't even live in Alaska.
Sure.
All right.
Now, it kind of gets worse thanthat because there was the lower

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courts in Alaska because the guyit looks great for 82 years old.
By the way, he was 82 years oldat the time, and this case is
going potentially to SupremeCourt in April of 2025.
So you do the math.
How old is he now?

SPEAKER_15 (12:07):
Is he even alive?
Well, well, this is 25.
So it either already happened oryou're saying it's gonna happen
next year, 26.
No, I confused you.
Okay.

SPEAKER_02 (12:16):
The the legal battle started in 2012.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
That's when it was seized.
Yeah.
So you've got from 2012 now,hopping forward all the years to
2025.

SPEAKER_15 (12:28):
Sure, yeah.
See, he was 82 at the time.

SPEAKER_02 (12:31):
That is correct.
Wow.
Lost his savings.
Yeah, he lost his savings.

SPEAKER_15 (12:36):
He probably saved his whole life for that plane.
Probably his entire life forthat plane.

SPEAKER_02 (12:40):
You know, it was there was a personal attachment
to that plane.
All kinds of memories.
Um, of course, the whatever thepolice authorities, they all
want that simply because theycan benefit from it and it's
cash cow and it's that'sillegal.
It's just literally juststealing.
Yeah.
So anyway, lower Supreme Court,the lower courts all said no, he

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gets the plane back.
So the first appeal said, Yeah,you're right, you can keep your
plane.
Okay.
The second appeal court fromthere said, Yeah, you're right,
you can keep your plane.
Then prosecutors, of course, arenot happy that they couldn't
keep their little airplane.
And being as corrupt and as theyare, they appealed it to the

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Supreme Court, and that's wherethe Alaska Supreme Court said,
Oh, yeah, that's what the lawsays, you lose your plane.

SPEAKER_15 (13:31):
Crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (13:33):
This whole forfeiture stuff is absolutely
unjust.
Yeah.
But I've kind of had a change ofheart, Jacob.
Okay.
I I in the spirit of cooperationwith the Alaska Supreme Court,
and in a spirit of comradeship,I guess, you know, with all the

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prosecutors.
Well, let's just do that.
I say that we have speciallicense plates designed by
Alaska that are only forprosecutors and judges.
So, you know, there'd be aspecial color or design, but
there would be something aboutthe license plate.

SPEAKER_15 (14:13):
Oh, yeah, that we know we know it's a prosecutor.
Yeah.
Like uh states have like exemptplates.
You can kind of tell if it'sstate patrol or you could tell,
you can kind of tell, yeah, thegovernment vehicle.

SPEAKER_02 (14:23):
All right.
So you have special plates.
Now they're probably alreadythinking, well, we have special
plates.
No, no, no.
These are special, specialplates.
Extra special.
Extra special.
Because you know why?
Now, is speeding dangerous,Jacob?

SPEAKER_15 (14:36):
Yes.
Or it can be.

SPEAKER_02 (14:38):
Wow.
Isn't it always more risky to gofaster no matter what?
I mean, you could alwaysdangerous.

SPEAKER_15 (14:48):
Yeah, if you crash at a higher rate of speed, your
injuries will be worse than ifyou were at a lower rate of
speed.

SPEAKER_02 (14:54):
Yeah, I know, but we need to keep society safe.
It's all for the children.
Let's see, it's for the good ofsociety.
Going green.

SPEAKER_15 (15:01):
Going green.
Save the planet.

SPEAKER_02 (15:03):
Going green, yeah.
Oh, that's good.
Save the trees.
Saving trees and bears, becausethere's another bear story in
here eventually.
So, anyway, the special plate isdesigned so that you instantly
can tell a prosecutor is in thatcar or the prosecutor owns that
car.
Okay.
They would be required by law toput these special plates on

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their personal vehicles and onofficial government vehicles or
any ATVs or whatever they use.
Anything that requires a licenseplate.
If they're a prosecutor or ajudge, they have to use these
license plates.
Now they can have differentnumbers, but there'll be a
special color or something thatsays, this is an official

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license plate for prosecutorsand judges.
You follow me so far?
Yeah, I do.
I follow you.
Okay.
Jesus said in Matthew chapter 7,verse 12.
Matthew chapter 7, verse 12, soin everything, in everything, do
to others what you would havethem do to you.
This sums up the law and theprophets.

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So this is easy to figure.
We're to treat each other insafety.
So we want the laws to reflectthat each of us are treated the
same, right?
As we would want to be treated.
I don't want to be stolen from,so the law's against stealing.

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We have that down, right?
We have it down.
Well, since the Alaska SupremeCourt and the police that are in
Alaska are so gung-ho, whatthese license plates allow,
let's say you're driving along,Jacob, and you see one of these
cars go by and it has thislicense plate and they're
speeding.
You can immediately, this needsto be passed in the legislature,

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make a citizen's arrest, seizethe vehicle, and then file a
report, and then the vehicle isyours.

SPEAKER_15 (16:54):
Yeah, you should be able to that's right.
It's it's finders keepers.

SPEAKER_02 (16:58):
It's what that's right.
If you catch someone breakingthe law, report you're keeping.
Let's get in the spirit herewith the Alaska Supreme Court
and all the prosecutors andpolice that love to do these
things.
Now, of course, if it's agovernment vehicle that you
seize, the prosecutor or thejudge has to pay for that
vehicle.
So they're they're not off thehook.
So it's not like they can go,well, I, you know, I don't pay

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for it.
What do you think?
Think that's a good idea?
Uh yeah, I think that's a goodidea.
We should impose this.
Play the clip.

SPEAKER_04 (17:27):
Speeding is bad.
Speeding endangers others.
Speeding is illegal, and no oneis above the law.
But first, remember the roar ofthe airplane?
We once heard the roar of theplane.
Now, let's listen to the revvingof car engines and the spinning
of automotive tires.

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In recognition of the AlaskaSupreme Court's decision to
seize a$92,000 Cesta plane from82-year-old Ken Jupee, an Alaska
bush pilot, after he unknowinglytransported groceries with beer
into a dry county, we call for agreater emphasis on safety in

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Alaska.
We encourage citizens of Alaskato petition the state government
to pass the ResponsibleGovernment Safety Against
Speeding by Prosecutors andJudges bill.
This proposed legislationmandates that all judges and
prosecutors attach speciallicense plates to their personal
and government vehicles.
Any citizen who observes theselicense plates and witnesses

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speeding or breaking a law areempowered by the state of Alaska
to make a citizen's arrest.
Such citizens may seize thevehicle immediately and after
completing a prosecutor-judgespeeding violation form, keep
the item.
After all, we're told judges andprosecutors are held to a higher

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standard.
Matthew 7, 12.
Jesus said in everything, do toothers what you would have them
do to you.
For this sums up the law.
Examining today's wisdom, folly,and madness.

SPEAKER_02 (19:31):
Yes.
Any comments about the plane youyou decide to do it or not do
it?
I think we've got to hold off.
I would too.
Yeah.
Probably not safe now, um,unless they pass that law.
This next section, we're gonnabegin to talk about Charlie
Kirk, the turning point USA.
And it's overwhelming.
I mean, there is so much sininvolved with this movement.

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And we'll see here in a moment,it's really just a delusion that
and I just had to whittle downto a couple things.
I'm not saying that we're evengonna get through it today, but
and we may have to continue iton, but even a casual reading of
scripture reveals this thing tobe false.
The whole movement, uh, turningpoint, all of that.

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You and I have kind of discussedit a little bit on the phone, or
actually we just kind of getworked up because it's it's just
amazing how wrong it is.
And there's all this talk oflike the word of the Lord, the
word of the Lord reminds me ofJeremiah and Ezekiel in the
books where the people aresaying the word of the Lord, the
word of the Lord.
There's one clip where somebodyis saying, Yeah, read your

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Bible, but you know, you knowwhat's missing?
Never obey the Bible.
And I'm not even talking aboutobeying the Bible.
I I really don't want people toobey the Bible.
I want you to obey the livingGod as you follow Jesus Christ
and as He works and wills thatin your life.
But I don't have time to discussthat today.
There's a difference.
In fact, Charlie Kirk and thewhole turning point USA thing is

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the Christian religion, which isnot the same as following Jesus.
In fact, they're completelyopposed to each other.
One's a religion, the other'sspiritual.
Any comments before we kind ofget started, Jacob?
No.
All right.
The first thing we have torealize is oh, what's the first
what's the first thing we haveto realize in this whole thing,

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Jacob?
I mean, I'm like 15 other firstson top of it.
I don't know.
What are you thinking first?
Well, to introduce and try toget through it, people have to
realize that the devil controlsthe Democrats as much as the
Republicans.
Now let me repeat that.
The devil's playground, histurf, and show that particular

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cartoon there, Jacob.
You can see it there.
Uh it says devil's turf on it,that he influences, controls.
Sure, God's making sure it allgoes according to his plan, but
that's the point.
Now, I do want to say for thegood things that Trump is doing,
and he's doing a lot of goodthings, I appreciate that.

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I would much rather have a Trumpin charge by far than a Biden or
that particular side of the L.
But that that has to do withcomfort and freedom and being
able to function.
Yeah.
Um anything you want to add tothat?
No.
Okay.
So in the devil's turf, we haveto realize that you can become a

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Republican or you can look atthe Republican Party.
It is ultimately going to workout God's will, which means
we're moving toward theAntichrist.
Read Proverbs chapter 16, verse4 there, Jacob.
Okay.

SPEAKER_15 (22:50):
Proverbs chapter 16.
Go ahead and read it.
I'm there.
Go for it.
Proverbs 16, 4.
The Lord works out everythingfor his own ends, even the
wicked for a day of disaster.

SPEAKER_02 (23:08):
It's kind of interesting right there in
Proverbs.
He doesn't say to bless therighteous at the end of the day.
I mean, that that's the happygospel or the happy Jack Jesus
is out there.
The Lord works out everythingfor his own ends.
Democrat-Republican God is stillweaving and working.
He may allow a, and I'm going touse better in a worldly sense, a

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better form of government underTrump.
I mean, who can't appreciatedoing crime, going into these
cities and cleaning these thingsup, the pardons, the sense of
he's been through all theinjustice system, so he has a
real feel you can tell for that.
And you can't deny the goodthings that are coming from
that.
In fact, I embrace them and Ithank him for that.
But Trump is not a Christian.

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The Republican Party is not aChristian tent or church.
It's not even to be remotelyconsidered that.
Well, God is just working allthe different ways he can to
bring about the day of disasterfor the wicked, which is far
more number of people thanpeople realize.
Jacob go ahead and play.

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This is actually, I trimmed itdown a little bit, this next
particular thing that explainshow Trump is ushering in the one
world government, and peoplejust don't realize it because
all of these other things aregoing on.
Go ahead and play that.

SPEAKER_14 (24:24):
I think this is something that could
legitimately be implemented, andif so, how soon do you think
they would start doing this?

SPEAKER_10 (24:29):
I think as soon as you pass the Genius Act, it can
go very, very fast.

SPEAKER_14 (24:35):
And where are we at right now with the Yeah, pause
it right there, Jacob?

SPEAKER_02 (24:38):
It's already been passed.
Yes.
This is an older clip.
Um, it was signed into law byPresident Trump in July of 2025.
So very, very recent.
And what they're talking aboutis a digital control of money,
which is a digital control,obviously, if your medical
stuff, everything, all of it'sgonna come together.
It has to under a digitalformat.

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Go ahead and keep playing.
The Genius Act and gettingpassed.

SPEAKER_10 (25:02):
I'm assuming it's gonna pass sometime soon.
If if it doesn't pass before thesession breaks, it'll pass in
the fall, is my guess.
So it it it could you couldreally see the world right now.
Our problem in America Is Trumpaware of all this stuff?

SPEAKER_14 (25:23):
Or what do you think what do you think his what is
his motive in all of this?
Or uh not his motive, but he ishe basically a useful idiot
here?

SPEAKER_10 (25:33):
So I don't I don't know Trump.
I lived in New York for 11 yearsand and the PR firm we use was
did his business too.
Everything I know about Trump Iknow from the Howard Rubenstein
Academy.
Anyway, but um, you know, Ithink Trump I think Trump is in
a box.
And and you know, and and all Isee, I I have to judge people by

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what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02 (25:58):
And she really does sum it up now that this thing is
much longer.
Um you've actually listened toanything you want to add to what
she's communicating there?

SPEAKER_15 (26:06):
Um nothing other than she breaks down that of
course, yeah, everything isbeing consolidated.
Um you can't file your taxeswith paper anymore.
Uh they're doing stable coins,the money stuff.
Doge is getting everybody'sinformation.
It's all gonna be privatizedinto this giant AI monster.

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And it's uh yeah.
And she even says, like, they'vebeen, you know, data harvesting.
She even used the term databeast.
She's like, Oh, yeah, I'vecalled that the data beast since
the 90s.
And but it's like it's comingfast.

SPEAKER_02 (26:40):
Yeah, the digital ID, you have to have it to fly
and so on and so forth.
So God's working this out thathe's giving the what's really
going on here is the Antichristis both kind of a spiritual
being and a spiritual thing,whatever, and also human at the
same time, correct?
We kind of know our Bible enoughthere, right?

(27:02):
Yes.
All right, in the same way, whatwe're seeing with Charlie Kirk
and the turning point USA is thebeginning of this kind of
combining of spirituality withpolitics.
Yeah.
And they become one and thesame.
So don't be fooled.
Trump Trump is doing some good,but that's behind it, underneath

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it, he's being forced into asituation to bring in the mark
of the beast.
And he may be actively doing itfor all I know.
They could be, you know, whothey are, whatever the deep
state, the deeper state, or thespiritual state.
Could be just say, oh yeah, givethem food, give them cake,
giving them some freedom.
You know, Satan's really good atgiving you the carrot and the

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stick.
He knows when exactly to dothis.
As long as you keep yourattention on worldly things, as
long as you're into turningpoint USA, as long as you're
into Trump, Satan doesn't care.
He doesn't matter.
He didn't even care if you hateBiden, obviously.
It's just get your focus offfollowing Jesus Christ.
And that's what's going on withTurning Point USA.

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And there is a real combining ofworldliness and spiritual
worldliness together.
In short, Christianity today,the magazine is getting what
they've been planting fordecades.
Yeah.
Um, so let's talk about a littlebit about if I made that clear,
at least my point.
Yeah.
There's a lot of scriptures, butwe just don't have time for them

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today.
Sure.
Well, first I want to give Iwant to I want to do a public
service for Seattle's KingCounty prosecutors.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, that they're always in mythoughts and my concerns.
So I want to offer them stuffbecause and at the same time,
I'm kind of torn because this isa warning to Turning Point USA
to stay away from King County.

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Because if you don't celebrateChristmas, prosecutor Jason
Simmons or King Countyprosecutors will look for an
opportunity to declare yourmovement a cult.
You know, you might find astadium where everybody's
wearing white t-shirts and whitecaps that say freedom on them.
They all think alike, they allvote alike.
And so he'll use Christmas asone of the things to destroy

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your movement, right, Jacob?
Yeah.
Well, that's what he did withus.
Remember, well, I know youremember.
We did something that you shouldnot do in the state of
Washington.
In order to celebrate Christmas,we would take and design pour
boxes.
Now, not fancy pour boxes.
We, you know, we didn't go outand do wood and cut them all up.

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Probably those that weretalented could.
We used to take oatmeal tubes,right?
Decorate them or boxes, peoplewould sign them, the kids were
involved.
Extremely joyful time.
This is back when peopleactually had coins.
Prosecutor Jason Simmons, KingCounty Prosecutors, and Seattle,
the state of the Washingtonridiculed us because we did not

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celebrate Christmas in theproper fashion.
That's right.
Not that they ever told us whatthe proper fashion was.
Correct.
They just what we did was wrong,was cultish.
So be on your guard, TurningPoint USA.
I'm helping Seattle's KingCounty prosecutors because,
yeah, I'm just a good citizen.

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Likes to help them.
Here it is.
Charlie Kirk skipped Christmas.
And not only did he skipChristmas, I know it's shocking.
Go ahead, Jacob.
It's like amazing.
It's proof that it's notspiritual.

SPEAKER_12 (30:30):
We didn't even have Christmas.
Last Christmas, we had Domino'sPizza for Christmas.

SPEAKER_11 (30:34):
Oh, yes, we did.
I remember him getting off stageand I say, honey.

SPEAKER_02 (30:38):
Oh, did you hear that?
I mean, yeah, we did it.
Go get him, Prosecutor Simmons.
Go get him.
Lisa Manning.
Go ahead.
No, no, no, go ahead.
No, play it again.
Let's hear this.
Oh, yeah.
Repeat.
No Christmas.

SPEAKER_12 (30:52):
Gasp.
We didn't even have Christmas.
Last Christmas, we had Domino'sPizza for Christmas.

SPEAKER_11 (30:56):
Oh, yes, we did.
I remember him getting offstage.
Gasp.

SPEAKER_15 (30:59):
No ham, no turkey, no nothing.
No Domino's Pizza.
Domino's Pizza.

SPEAKER_02 (31:06):
They weren't even together.
I guess he just kind of theymissed Christmas.
I don't know.
I don't kind of get it, but youcan tell.
The family wasn't there.
Yes.
Go get them, King County.
They're yours.
Now they have a little bit moremoney than we had, so the
takedown may not be as easy, butthe rewards are all the better,
right?
You do know, and remember, Iprobably mentioned it to
Prosecutor Jason Simmons becamea prosecutor because he was

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invited to a pizza party.
Yeah.
Do you know that story?
I do know that story, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, let's read that scripture,and we're going to play first
the clip here of Christmas Kirk,I call it.
Okay.
And then I'm going to read youthe scripture.
You see, what prosecutor JasonSimmons was going to do, he's
going to be a defense attorney.
Well, he gets aring-a-ding-a-ding from

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Prosecutor Satisburg over atSeattle's King County
prosecutors to come to a pizzaparty.
Yeah.
So you hop on over, you get someflattery.
Hey, this feels pretty good.
And the reason why, well, let meread the scripture now.
We'll play the clip and thenwe'll go from there.
Philippians 3 19.
Their destiny is destruction.

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Their God is their stomach.
Their glory is their shame.
Their mind is on earthly things.
I could break that down againall the way through this trial.
But our citizenship, and this iskey even to turning point, our
citizenship is in heaven, and weeagerly await a savior from

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there, the Lord Jesus Christ.
There is no saving America.
Jesus did not die to savenations.
Next time Jesus comes, he'sgoing to judge all nations
because of their adulterousways.
Correct, Jacob?
Correct.
We have a citizenship in heaven.
We're waiting for a heavenlynation.

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Anybody saying, well, I want tomake USA great again has
declared that their God, theiridol, that what they're trying
to fashion, is the United Statesof America.
Let's play and get into now,Jacob.
Let's go to 1 Corinthianschapter 15, and let's start in

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verse 34.
Because it's important for us torecognize why turning point so
powerful, Jacob?
And this is a rhetoricalquestion, as if you were looking
at it from their viewpoint.
I mean, it's revival.
It's just loaded with now I'mgetting idolatry.
We're going to change America.
People are going back to church.

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They become Christian, so on andso forth, right?
I mean, it's just likeoverwhelming muck.
Um so so what what is it aboutwhat Charlie Kirk has said and
done that is just pulling peoplein that you could just go, wow,
that's amazing.

SPEAKER_15 (33:58):
Well, everybody has to take a side.
So, I mean, you know, there'splenty of people that are into
the trans liberal movement, andthere's then there's tons of
people that are into hismovement because you gotta most
people take a side.
So I'm just saying it's whateverappeals to that person.
The trans stuff appeals to somepeople.
Charlie Kirk appeals to theseyoung people that he goes to the

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campuses or uses.

SPEAKER_02 (34:20):
All good, all good points.
But but what's one thing thatCharlie Kirk has said or done
that you would go, wow, that'swhy everybody's going back to
church.
That's why everybody's become aChristian.
This is just amazing.
This is revival.
What's a what's the one thingthat Charlie Kirk has said that
has just created a revival ofpeople going back to church?

(34:43):
I don't know what the wow factoris.
I found the video.
Oh, okay.
Play it.
Let's listen to this.
Is why.

SPEAKER_08 (34:52):
We're seeing a revival right now.
People are going back to churchin spades, and you know what?
A lot of it is because of videoslike this.
Watch.

SPEAKER_00 (34:59):
I would love if my tax dollars went to helping
people who needed food.
That's my argument here.
I think that's a good thing.
It does.

SPEAKER_12 (35:04):
Over over a trillion dollars a year goes to food
stamps and Snap and Medicaid.
Perfect.
No, but actually, it doesn'thelp them nearly as much as you
think.
Let me tell you why.
Because then we subsidize badeating habits of the poor so
that the working poor is veryobese, so they go buy Coca-Cola,
Pepsi, and Frito Lays, and thechurch is not involved, where
the church would then say, Hey,instead of going to the local

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grocery store with a bunch offood stamps and snap benefits,
why don't you come by our churchand we'll feed all of you and a
much more healthy meal made byour own members, and then you
can hear the gospel afterwards.
That's the church in practice.
What the government does, and Iwant you to respond, what the
government does is it createsdistance and it creates
separation and it createsmurkiness between the person

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issuing the help and the personreceiving the help.

SPEAKER_08 (35:50):
What the government also does, it creates
dependence, thereby keeping thevery bad chain going.

SPEAKER_15 (35:57):
There you go, Jacob.

SPEAKER_02 (35:59):
That's wow.

SPEAKER_15 (36:00):
That's the wow, is that people want to go feed the
homeless so they're going backto church?

SPEAKER_02 (36:04):
Yep.
That's essentially it.
And you get to hear the gospelright afterwards.
Afterwards.
Afterwards.
The whole wow is like, wow, hedismantled the fact that
government subsidies aren't goodand food stamps aren't good.
Really?
I I mean, I'm I'm not trying tobe sarcastic, but this is a
depth of being impressed.
People really are very stupid ifyou think this is deep and

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insightful and hard to come upwith and requires going from
campus to campus to speak tothese things.
This is a nothing bugger.
There's nothing, of course.
It's even in Jesus' time, youknow, the Roman Roman leaders
had to bring in grain from Egyptto feed the peoples, the whole
welfare system.
This changes nothing.
This has this doesn't deal withthis woman's heart, it doesn't

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deal with any sin.
There's no gospel being evenpresented on the other side
anyway.
Yeah.
This is this is not a wow.
Is it worth a video?
I don't know.
Uh we could talk about hermakeup and what's going on there
and the need to be busy at home,and we may not get to it today,
but there's nothing about thisthat spells God's word and an

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obedience to God's word.
Correct.
I want to mention a couple booksthat I have written.
They're free.
You can get them at the website.
But decades upon decades, I wantto say at least three decades
ago, God had me write a bookcalled Whisperer Whisper
Revival, our only option.
Obviously, God knew that thiskind of turning point, this big

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false spiritual movement, thisit's almost equal to sports,
because that's where it's held.
I mean, and then you got theflash, and then you've got the
fireworks, and everything aboutthis is the opposite of Jesus
Christ, people.
Correct.
But if you want revival in yourlife, certainly seek the living
God.
You don't have to have my book.
I get all that.
I wrote the book.
If you want to take advantage ofit and get a few jumps ahead on

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your spiritual walk and dealingwith sin, go for it.
It's called a whisper revival,our only option.
And the second one to go withit, if you're not convinced the
church is really that bad orturning point is that bad, you
can pick up the book I've alsowritten called Insanity in the
Church.
And again, that was writtenmultiple decades ago.

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Any comments or anything beforewe move on?
No.
All right, let's play the TimAllen clip where he forgives
somebody for being drunk andkilling his father.

SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
Tim Allen.
Uh, you know, home improvement.
Tim Allen, he's great.
He came out with this amazingrevelation today.
Um, I think he posted it on X,and it relates to Erica Kirk,
Charlie's widow, of course, andthat extraordinary moment that
we saw at Charlie's memorial.

(38:53):
Do we have the Erica Kirkmoment?
I don't know if I don't see iton our list.
We'll drop it in.

SPEAKER_11 (38:57):
That young man on the cross, our Savior said.
Father, forgive them for theynot know what they do.
That man, that young man.

(39:22):
I forgive him.

SPEAKER_01 (39:36):
But when she forgave Charlie's killer, which, you
know, it's like I feel like in ayear that's gonna be Charlie
getting murdered and Ericaforgiving the killer.
Those are gonna be the twomoments that we remember about
this story, those two justalmost equally extraordinary
moments.
And Tim Allen was watching andhe posted on X when Erica Kirk

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spoke the words on the man whokilled her husband, that man,
that young man, I forgive him.
That moment deeply affected me.
I have struggled for over 60years to forgive the man who
killed my dad.
I will say those words now as Itype.
I forgive the man who killed myfather.

(40:20):
Peace be with you all.
And it turns out Tim Allen's dadwas killed by a drunk driver,
and I and the dad, Tim Allen'sdad, was in the car with her
Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 (40:34):
Now she's going to explain why Erica Kirk's
forgiveness and Tim Allen's Kirkforgiveness is of benefit, and
pay very, very close attention,especially if you're young in
the faith, because what she'sabout to tell you is total
revelation of sin.
Go for it.

SPEAKER_01 (40:58):
I think he was one of them.
I'm not totally sure.
Um and his mom was killed.
So can you imagine this poor guywho's gone on to become uh an
international star?
I'm sure he's got plenty ofmoney, all these Hollywood
contacts, very sensible.
I think he's right-leaning,though he doesn't totally come
out uh and in your face with it.
And to say he was inspired bythis uh 36-year-old woman at the

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height of her grieving who didan extraordinary thing.
And you know, they say likeforgiveness if you can do it
releases you.
It's a gift you give toyourself, it releases you from
harboring resentment and angerand these things that can be
corrosive.
Like, what a gift she gave tohim, which obviously wasn't the
intention, but like it has theeffect of you know, helping

(41:43):
others when you do anextraordinary act of kindness.

SPEAKER_02 (41:47):
Any quick thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_15 (41:49):
Uh other than um, I don't know, every time you see
that the Erica Kirk one of herforgiving, it doesn't even seem
real, but or she doesn't evenshe doesn't even it is it seems
like a show.

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
Well, it totally is.
Um and I did and people pick upon this.
There's no tears, there's norealness, yeah.
There's no realness to what'sgoing on.

SPEAKER_15 (42:10):
It's like an acting acting job.

SPEAKER_02 (42:13):
Yeah.
Even to the spirituallydiscerning, you go, the Lord is
not in this.
Yeah.
Now you'll notice Megan Kellygoes on to say, yeah, it's a
gift you give to yourself.
That's right.
We live in terrible times wheneverything comes back to
ourselves.
Satan knows all the humblewords, she knows all the humble
words, but Tim Allen wasn'tconvicted by the Holy Spirit of

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sin.
You see, the offense of thecross is what's missing.
Was Tim Allen going, man, I'veheld on to this sin forever.
I've not had a relationship withJesus Christ because I wouldn't
forgive these people.
Has he done any of that?
No.
Of course not.
So what you have is not youdon't have Jesus.
You you just have waves ofemotion going through.

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Somebody forgives somebody, andthen somebody else does that.
It's kind of like if you're anold folks' home and you go, My
elbow hurts, and the person cansay, Well, my knee hurts, and
then it's just going toincrease.
It's all about self.
It's just reflecting andbouncing off of each other.
There's nothing about TimAllen's forgiveness that comes
from the living God, convictionof the Holy Spirit, the
confession of sin.

(43:16):
Look, it's a sin not to forgivesomebody.
It is a damnable sin.
Jesus says, if you don'tforgive, I'm not going to
forgive you, right?
That that's like pretty seriousblack and white, right?
Yes, very black and white.
So did anybody tell Tim Allen,okay, how long did he say that
he held on to a grudge?
Was it 60 years?
60 years, I thought is what hesaid.

(43:38):
Yeah.
So do we have 60 years of peopletelling him you were damned to
hell because you wouldn'tforgive these people?
And there and there was nothingabout, and what's the beauty of
that kind of confrontation?
Like if I were to go to TimAllen and go, you know, you're
condemned because you didn'tforgive, and he still is for
that matter.
He hasn't forgiven before God.

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What he just did was anemotional response to a very
emotional situation.
And it brought up thosememories.
And so for his benefit, you canbe sure he forgave and he feels
a lot better.
That's kind of the whole point.
With Jesus Christ, Jesus Christcomes to deal with our sin.
He would have come to Tim Allenand said, you're damnable until

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you repent.
And then he would have gone,well, well, he then he probably
would have got mad at God.
And so you continue to wrestlethings out.
Then you begin to humbleyourself, and then you begin
examining scripture, and thenyou go deeper and deeper with
the hatred and the animositythat was there.
Do you see any of the sufferingsof Jesus Christ?
It's all through scripture thatwe're told we have to

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participate in.
Peter says in flat out, if wedon't suffer against sin, we're
not forgiven.
Tim Allen is not forgiven forthe hatred.
And of course, I'm not gonna getto turning point USA.
They're off onto some kind ofdark work that's going on here
that God's bringing about.
Any comments on any of that,Jacob?
No, it's pretty clear.
Well, let's look at Galatians5.7 real quickly, because

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turning point USA is not onlyjust a reflection of the false
Christianity that's been comingup for years, in fact, the
Christianity that kind of droveus from the city of Enum Claw.
So you've got this falseChristianity that's moving
forward and it just keepsbuilding and building.
Well, Galatians 5.7 predicted itand told us about it.
Paul says, you were running agood race.

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So you can lose it, yoursalvation.
You can lose your relationshipwith God.
You can block it, you can stopit, you can walk away by joining
and being a part of TurningPoint USA or any of these
movements.
You are running a good race.
Who cut in on you and kept youfrom obeying the truth?
You see the difference here?

(45:45):
They talk about praying and theytalk about reading the Bible and
they talk about God's word, butthey never talk about obeying
the truth.
Because once you lay down theword obedience, then we can
start going through all of thescriptures and go, oh, you're
gonna obey that, you're gonnaobey that.
These people are not ready forwhat it really means to be

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crucified with Christ.
Galatians 5.8.
That kind of persuasion does notcome from the one who calls you.
When you look at the marketing,when you look at the music, when
you look at the idolatry,really, and the fireworks that
are going off, and the razzleand dazzle, really, no, we can't
see through that kind ofpersuasion, doesn't come from

(46:28):
God.

SPEAKER_15 (46:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (46:30):
I mean, they came to Jesus and said, do miracles for
us, and he goes, I tell you, nomiracle is going to be done for
you.
Jesus would often, scripturesays, go and hide himself.
That kind of persuasion, razzledazzle, the fancy dress, the
jewelry, the success stories,the success stories.
They're always saying, TimEllen's become this great

(46:51):
contact, and Charlie Kirkcreated a hundred million dollar
uh movement, and she's a CEO andshe's this and she can speak
these languages.
That's not a persuasion that'sof Jesus Christ.
No.
First of all, Paul says if he'sgoing to boast, he's going to
boast about the things that showhis weakness.
Now that all kind of gets mixedin there.

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I mean, these pastors don't justyet, not yet anyway, go all the
way out.
But this is really moving itforward.
That kind of persuasion does notcome from the one who calls you.
Verse 9 gave us the warning along time ago.
I've been watching it happeningfor, well, I 40 years at least.
Galatians 5, 9, a little yeastworks through the whole batch of

(47:34):
dough.
Why do you think ProsecutorSimmons wanted to destroy
Christmas so bad?
If he could just get in thereand destroy the joy of Jesus
Christ and giving to the poor,if he could take that element, I
know it sounds bizarre, butthat's what went on.
Then once that little breakhappens, then the yeast just
begins to spread.
And before long, we're alljoining Turning Point USA.

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A little yeast works through thewhole batch of dough.
Comes in small, comes in slight.
And it's just a little bit ofyeast, and given enough heat and
the right situation, it beginsto expand.
Galatians 5:10.
I'm confident in the Lord thatyou will take no other view, the
one who is throwing you intoconfusion.

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Well, there's the problem, andthat's the great delusion that's
coming.
There's no confusion.
These people aren't confused,like, well, is this right?
I mean, it's not like they havethe basis of the message of the
cross and the full message ofthe gospel of the cross, and
they understood what that wasabout.
And then all of a sudden,Charlie Kirk comes along and
it's a different kind ofmessage, and it's it doesn't

(48:39):
quite match up.
And there's this confusion goingon.
You follow what I'm saying,Jacob?
Correct.
Years ago, this would have beentrue.
But the real gospel, the fullgospel, the complete gospel is
so far hidden somewhere elsethat now everybody thinks
completely backwards about whatJesus Christ is about.

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I am confident in the Lord thatyou will take no other view.
The one who is throwing you intoconfusion will pay the penalty,
whoever he may be.
Brothers, if I'm still preachingcircumcision, why am I still
being persecuted?
In that case, the offense of thecross has been abolished.
Let me put this in today'sterms.
Brothers, if I'm still preachingrazzle dazzle, entertainment,

(49:24):
no-tier confessions of sins thatare just fitting it in and easy
to do, then why am I still beingpersecuted?
See, there's the persecutionhere with turning point and all
of this stuff is really just onepolitical movement against
another.
It's Democrat againstRepublican.
That's really all it is.
Yes.
You I think you even have peopleon the Democrats like claim to

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be Christians but do all theirvile things.
This is no different if you havethe eyesight of Jesus Christ.
What's missing is, and let mequote Paul, Galatians 5 11, in
that case, the offense of thecross has been abolished.
It's the offense that's missing.
The only people offended by thisare those on the left.

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That's not the offense of thecross.
Correct.
That's just Pharisee againstSadducee kind of thing.
So the turning point USA doesnot present the offense of the
cross.
You wouldn't draw the crowds.
And I won't go into like justone thing you have to obey.
Well, let's do one thing.
Anything you want to say beforeI go on to one thing you have to
obey?

(50:29):
No.
Okay, play play three testify,and then we're going to look at
a Pharisee meeting a Sadducee ora Sadducee meeting a Pharisee.

SPEAKER_04 (50:42):
Three things testify to the power of God in equal
measure.
Three things testify to thesalvation of God.
Three things testify to true orfalse Christians.
What saves you by theresurrection of Jesus Christ?
What's equal to the blood ofJesus?
What three things testify to thepower of God?

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1 John 5.10.
Anyone who believes the Son ofGod has this testimony in his
heart.
Anyone who does not believe Godhas made him out to be a liar
because he has not believed thetestimony God has given about
his son.
Let us see.

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Examining today's wisdom, folly,and madness.
www.consider.info.

SPEAKER_02 (51:39):
Okay, in this next clip, Jacob, we're gonna see
Charlie Kirk answer a question.
Now he's the Sadducee.

SPEAKER_13 (51:46):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 (51:47):
And the other guy asking the question, really,
kid, is your typical Pharisee.
Now, do you know what thedifference is between a Sadducee
and a Pharisee?

SPEAKER_15 (51:56):
Uh they believed slightly different things, you
know, some believe in angels,some believe in resurrection of
the dead, et cetera, et cetera.

SPEAKER_02 (52:05):
Yep.
The bottom line is the Sadduceesdidn't believe in anything, and
the Pharisees believed ineverything about the law.
So watch this question, and thenwe're gonna discuss it.
Go ahead.

SPEAKER_09 (52:18):
Charlie, in order to be saved, do I need to be
baptized?

SPEAKER_12 (52:21):
The Bible is split on that.
What do you think?
Well, the one person that weknow that entered eternal life,
which was Jesus on the cross andthe criminal next to him on the
cross, was guaranteed eternallife and was not baptized.

SPEAKER_09 (52:32):
Here's what I have to say about that.
The thief on the cross.
Sure, he didn't get baptized,but I will argue that the thief
on the cross was under the oldcovenant by the time that he
died.
Because Jesus Christ had not yetdied yet.
He had not yet been buried orresurrected yet.
And so therefore, I believe thethief wasn't under the new
covenant yet.
And so, and because Jesus Christwas on earth, he had the power,

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he had the ability to forgivesins while he was on earth.

SPEAKER_12 (52:55):
So, yeah, I guess the hypothetical is this.
If somebody is on their deathbedand they're 91 years old and
they give their life to Jesusand they haven't yet been
baptized, do you think God woulddeny them entrance into eternal
life?

SPEAKER_09 (53:04):
Uh uh give that reason, give the hypothetical
again.

SPEAKER_12 (53:07):
Someone's on their deathbed, they're 91 years old.
91 years old, and theylegitimately give their life to
Christ.
What does that look like?
A true the sinner's prayer,meaning it, believing it.
I am a sinner, I'm broken, Ilive my life in distance from
God, in sin.
I believe Jesus is my Lord andSavior.
He's entered into my life, theHoly Spirit comes, full
transformation, but there'sreally not an opportunity to
baptize that person.

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Would God deny them entranceinto heaven?

SPEAKER_09 (53:30):
Oh wow.
Putting me on the tough spothere.
Here's what I'm gonna say,Charlie.
This man, this hypothetical91-year-old man who's on his
deathbed, had his whole life tofigure out whether or not he
wanted to live for Christ.
And for him to decide just lastminute, I don't think it's
enough.

SPEAKER_12 (53:44):
Okay, well, I disagree.
Well, because again, I'll justgo back to the one example we
know of the criminal next toJesus that lived a terrible
life.
He believed Christ was the Lordand he was guaranteed eternal
life.
And so, again, it's not up forme to determine, it's up for God
to determine.
I believe that mercy isaccessible for all people at all
times, regardless of their stageof life.

SPEAKER_02 (54:01):
Okay, Jacob.

SPEAKER_15 (54:02):
Do you want to dive in?
No, you can go ahead.
Kid had a valid point.
Did he have a valid point, youthink?

SPEAKER_02 (54:10):
Uh he did have a semi-valid point, yeah.
Really.
So, and I'm just having fun withyou now.
So he had a valid point that,you know, that was all Jesus, he
was he just happened to getnailed down.
No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_15 (54:25):
I was I'm sorry.
He had a valid point about the91-year-old that the 90s because
we're talking about deathbedconversions.
He says the 91-year-old had hiswhole life to decide pretty I
don't remember the exact words,to believe in Jesus or not.
And at the very last minute,he's like, Yeah, I don't think
that's enough.
It is true that the 91-year-olddude then what has been
rejecting, supposedly beenrejecting Jesus.

(54:47):
You know, anyways, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (54:48):
Yeah, it it's it's all wrong.
It's all wrong.
You know, it has a semblance ofsure mercy, kindness,
discussion, Bible talk.
But this is the blind leadingthe blind.
This literally is the Sadduceeum Kirk or whatever his name is,
um, Charlie Kirk.
Sure.
Uh not really believing thebaptism's that important.

(55:12):
Sure.
Because it's totally wronganswer, like, well, the Bible's
conflicted on it.
That's not an answer.
That's a waffle and a half.
Correct.
That's really like, yeah, no,it's not really that important.
That's really what he wanted tosay.
Correct.
If you understand, yeah, heatpower water baptism, you cannot
answer that question that way.

SPEAKER_15 (55:31):
Yeah, because he's on the side of once saved,
always saved, believers' prayer.
I think even throughout the termbeliever's prayer, sinner's
prayer, that you say the you saythe sinner's prayer and you are
good.

SPEAKER_02 (55:44):
And never mind, the sinner's prayer is not in
scripture.
It's not in any example thatit's not written at that.
This is totally made up by thissmiling Jack Jesus, move away
from scripture, talk about theword of God, but let's just not
obey anything.
Sure.

SPEAKER_15 (56:02):
Well, I mean, that you can cherry-pick verses.
I'm not saying the entiresinner's prayer, because
different people have alsodifferent prayers should be
prayed.
People say, you know, uh,whoever calls on the name of the
Lord shall be saved.
Therefore, if you call on himonce, then you're saved.
I mean, people throw out stufflike this.

SPEAKER_02 (56:19):
Oh, that's absolutely true.
What you're really witnessinghere is ignorance.
Sure.
Remember at one point Charliethrows out the whole scenario
about the 91-year-old, and hegoes, hmm, man, you really got
me.
I'm really cornered.

SPEAKER_15 (56:32):
You put you said you put me on this, I think you put
me on the spot here.
Tough spot.
He said tough the spot.
The kid, the Asian kid.

SPEAKER_02 (56:38):
Correct.
Yeah.
And I'm thinking that should bea first self-analysis question
that you go for.
Sure.
In other words, when I wasreading scripture way back when,
when I was a wet pup, you know,I'd come to okay, well, is he
saved?
Is he not saved?
How does this go?
What if he's on his deathbed?

(56:59):
I mean, this only shows me howthe church has dumbed down the
church.
Sure.
Because this is a totally newquestion for him.
Yeah.
And he thinks it's an astoundingtrap question.
Like, well, I'm really gonnahave to think this one through.
Sure.
And we're seeing that the samething with the wow woman that

(57:20):
somehow taxes and welfare aren'tgood.
And when have they ever beengood?
Sure.
I mean, and people, oh yeah, Iwant to go back to church
because I want to feed thehomeless.
You get the idea.
Yeah.
All right.
Number one, let's let's let'stake the kid for a moment.
He makes the statement that thethief on the cross was between
the two covenants.
You had the old covenant, youhad the new covenant.
He just got it.
Well, unfortunate or fortunateday depends how you look at it.

(57:43):
Trapped between the twocovenants.
Really?
That's what he was saying,right?

SPEAKER_15 (57:47):
That's what he's saying.
Yes.
That was his explanation.

SPEAKER_02 (57:50):
So then Noah wasn't baptized in water.
The old covenant points to watereverywhere.

SPEAKER_15 (57:57):
Yes, it does.
Yeah.
Passes underneath the water.

SPEAKER_04 (58:01):
Yes, now we're up to Moses.

SPEAKER_15 (58:03):
Baptized in Moses.
Yeah, uh passed underneath thewater, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (58:07):
And the offerings and the sacrifices had to be
washed with.
You want to call out?
Water.
Water.
Jesus, when he came to bebaptized by John the Baptist,
said, Let us do to fulfill allrighteousness.
Jacob, when you die, or when Idie, and I begin to go through

(58:30):
the gates to embrace Jesus andweep and fall at his feet, will
he not flow through me all hisrighteousness and make
everything that is not properfor heaven?
He will either crucify it andput it to death and make me into
a new creation, and I'll receivethe grace to be righteous in

(58:52):
everything and obedient to allto God.
Yes, that will happen.
Do you not think there's waterin heaven?
Yes.
Do you not think he Jesus isgoing to take him over and get
him baptized?
Yes.
It is to fulfill allrighteousness.

(59:12):
There is this no old covenant,new covenant.
I mean, it's a word play,everybody goes home.
What a waste of time.
Sure, yeah.
Let me go ahead and just, and wedon't have time to get into it
all.
I encourage people, yes, I'mgoing to promote another book
that I wrote called Even theDemons Believe, that will talk
about water baptism, that willtalk about a far more than that.

(59:32):
In fact, if you want an easyread, it's a short book, but if
you want an easy read, don't gothere.
Go get something from TurningPoint USA.
Let's go to 1 Peter chapter 3,verse 18, Jacob.
And let's do a little sermonettehere and do a little bit of
looking at the power that goeson.
Are we ready?

SPEAKER_15 (59:52):
We're ready.

SPEAKER_02 (59:53):
For Christ died for sins once and for all.
Amen.
Everybody would say that therighteous for the unrighteous.
Triple Amen to bring you to God.
He was put to death in the body,but made alive by the Spirit,
through whom he also went andpreached to the spirits in
prison.
Amen.
Hallelujah.
Now look at verse 20.
Who disobeyed long ago when Godwaited patiently in the days of

(01:00:16):
Noah while the ark was beingbuilt?
Now, what is this next sentence?
What does it say?
In it, only a few people, eightand all, were saved through
water.
And this water, verse 21, thiswater.
Peter's not talking about thewater of Noah.

(01:00:38):
Do you and I have a time machinewhen we can go back, find Noah,
get into the ark, and bebaptized in the water?

SPEAKER_15 (01:00:43):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:44):
No.
He's talking about our baptism,the water baptism taught
correctly, done correctly, doneby the power of the Holy Spirit.
First Peter chapter 3, verse 21.
Go ahead and read the wholething, Jacob.

SPEAKER_15 (01:00:58):
And this water symbolizes baptism that now
saves you also, not the removalof dirt from the body, but the
pledge of a good consciencetoward God.
It saves you by the resurrectionof Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:13):
Well, did we catch that?
Water baptism, how does it getits power to save us?
It is the salvation message.
It's not the believer's prayer.
The believer's prayers after youbegin to call upon the name of
the Lord as you walk each day asa disciple following Jesus
Christ.
Water baptism, the power ofbeing immersed in water and

(01:01:35):
being baptized in water, howdoes it get its power from?
Where does it draw the powerfrom, Jacob?

SPEAKER_15 (01:01:42):
Uh it's from the pledge of a good conscience
towards God.
Oh, it comes from theresurrection of Jesus Christ.
Right.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:51):
It comes from the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
Think about those words.
And does that reflect anythingthey were talking about?
No.
Did Charlie Kirk go, man, waterbaptism is where it's at, it
where it begins, it's where itall starts, it all comes
together.
First, you're convicted, youcount the cost, those things you
come down.
And then if you really decidethat you want Jesus Christ, if

(01:02:11):
you sat down and count the cost,if you're willing to hate your
father and your mother, yourbrother and your sister, and
even your own life, and you werewilling to give up everything to
follow him, then you can bewater baptized.
No, he did not say that.
Not even close.
Not he didn't even suggest it.
No.

SPEAKER_15 (01:02:31):
You only got to do a prayer.
That's always it.
You got to do a prayer.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:34):
That's it.
That's simple.
First Peter chapter 3, verse 22goes on to say, who has gone
into heaven and is at God'sright hand with angels,
authorities, and powers insubmission to him.
All of this is wrapped aroundwhat event?
Jacob.

(01:02:54):
Water baptism.
Talking about Noah.
They're all one.
Yeah, I feel sorry for the kid.
I mean, he he's I recognize him,I recognize myself and him,
young, eager, analyzing thewhole bit.
That's not just to ridicule him,but Charlie Kirk didn't help
him, and he's off trapped insome circle of logic, never

(01:03:16):
quite figuring out that clearlyif I'm in the North Pole and
it's, you know, minus whatever,and you can't even walk outside
without dying, and the person isdying, they'll go to heaven if
they truly give themselves toGod.
Not in the Charlie Kirk way,that's just nonsense, but in a
really holy way, and the personwill be forgiven.

(01:03:37):
And then guess what?
In a heaven, we obey everything,and anything that's not complete
in my life that is holy, Godwill make holy there.
And if water baptism is missingbecause it couldn't be done, not
because I've rebelled againstdoing it, he will make it right.
The essence of what turningpoint USA is, and they do have

(01:03:59):
they divided off their divisionsfrom you can be turning point
faith and then not or whatever.
What but obviously what's comingout very loud and clear is this
is a Christian movement.
What it is is John chapter 6,verse 15.
Go ahead and go to that, Jacob.
We're gonna let you read thisbecause this is this is nothing

(01:04:19):
new.
It's just now you have themechanisms to make this a
worldwide event, to advertiseit, to create emotions, uh a
group mentality, a sportingevent, all the emotions of a
rock concert, whatever getspeople kind of moving.
Um, in John chapter 6, verse 15,read that for us, Jacob.

SPEAKER_15 (01:04:40):
Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make
him king by force, withdrewagain to a mountain by himself.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:52):
They're trying to make him king by force.
That's what this is about.
That somehow Jesus is going tosave America.
It's kind of obvious.
Um go ahead and play this nextclip because it explains it in
more detail, but I'm not goingto discuss it beyond the clip.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:07):
The host, Timothy, is not a United States of
America Christian.
Timothy is not a Republican,Democrat, libertarian, or
independent Christian.
If Timothy were, God would beashamed of him.
Timothy would be anembarrassment in heaven if he
were a flag waving, red, white,and blue.

(01:05:29):
God, family, country, apple pie,United States of America
Christian.
God flatly stated such, and it'srecorded in the Bible.
Hebrews 11, verse 13 through 16.
All these people were stillliving by faith when they died.
They did not receive the thingspromised.

(01:05:50):
They only saw them and welcomedthem from a distance, and they
admitted that they were aliensand strangers on earth.
People who say such things showthat they're looking for a
country of their own.
If they had been thinking of thecountry they had left, they
would have had opportunity toreturn.
Instead, they were longing for abetter country, a heavenly one.

(01:06:12):
Therefore, God is not ashamed tobe called their God, for he has
prepared a city for them.
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SPEAKER_02 (01:06:29):
Kind of self-explanatory, isn't it,
Jacob?
Mm-hmm.
There's no fixing America.
America is going to be judged.
Turning point should be calling.
I don't even want to say thatbecause they'll start mocking
the words.
You get my point.
The turning point gospel is nogospel at all.
It has reflections of scriptureand things like that, but it is

(01:06:52):
a political movement pulling inreligious dogma and ideas and
concepts.
It's not about the true gospel.
Play this next clip and we'llbring this into focus and then
we probably got to wrap thingsup for today anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:06):
How many people on earth this last week became a
Christian on the killing field?
They saw Charlie Kirk and theythought, you know, I wasn't a
Christian before, but I think Iunderstand what it means to be a
Christian today.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:19):
Okay, Jacob, but there's a lot of places to go
with this one.
First of all, Glenn Blackbeck isMormon.
Yeah, he's not even Christian.
He's not a Christian himself.

SPEAKER_15 (01:07:30):
He's not even evangelical Christian.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:35):
It's no wonder he kind of likes this because they
analyze Joseph Smith.
Sure.
They follow people.
That's what they normally do.
To say you're on the killingfield, isn't that what he said?
Killing fields?

SPEAKER_15 (01:07:50):
I think he said, yeah, something like that.
I think it's because everyonesees Charlie Kirk getting
killed.
So then, like, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 (01:07:56):
And they're on the field, so they're having this
emotional response.

SPEAKER_15 (01:07:59):
Yeah, because you see it happen.
We've seen this happened.
I wasn't a Christian, but man, II should be.
I think that's what he's saying.

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:06):
Yeah, exactly.
And okay, so you're on thekilling fields.
This uh emotional thing is goingon.
You're not a crit, he's not aChristian himself.
He's not even presenting thegospel.
So these people just in theirminds, this crowd of people go,
you know what?
Worldwide, I've decided tobecome a Christian because I
understand what it's all about.

(01:08:26):
Man, a lie.
You just took out the whole NewTestament and threw it away,
threw it away.
Yeah.
This isn't a matter of twistingscripture or somehow this is
like no scripture at all.
Yeah.
Play it, play it one more timeand then let's turn to
scripture.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:42):
How many people on earth this last week became a
Christian on the killing field?
They saw Charlie Kirk and theythought, you know, I wasn't a
Christian before, but I think Iunderstand what it means to be a
Christian today.

SPEAKER_15 (01:08:57):
They definitely don't know what it means to be a
Christian, if that's yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:03):
To be a Christian means, okay.
You get rich, you start apolitical movement.
What are you fighting?

SPEAKER_15 (01:09:11):
You're fighting for you're fighting for America, I
guess.
Literally.
Yeah.
That's you know, because you'rebecause you're fighting the the
woke uh woke movement.

SPEAKER_02 (01:09:22):
Getting married, having kids, wife, kids, all
that kind of fits.
I mean, this is just likenothing, like walking along the
air, and somebody goes, oh man,I miss, you know, so-and-so.
Well, he was Baptist.
Okay, I'm gonna become Baptisttoo.
That that's a lot.
Galatians 1, 6.
And I'm astonished.
That's that's how the scripturebegins.
So you listen to Glenn Beck overhere, and I go, What?

(01:09:43):
And uh, you gotta back up, takeyour breath, and go, not only
did you say words, but you saidnothing in those words.
And that worldwide, worldwide,there was not the movement of
the Holy Spirit and not theconviction of God's word, and
not people crying out and as inActs, where they said, What

(01:10:03):
shall we do?
Because they're convicted ofsin.
They're walking on the fieldswhere Charlie Kirk was killed
and said, You know what?
I think, you know, I rolledaround in my head that I
understand what being aChristian is, so I'm a
Christian.
Yeah.
Play it again, because again,I'm astonished.
Listen, listen to it carefullyand understand that he Glenbeck

(01:10:27):
just announced around the worldthat this form of Christianity
is legit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:34):
How many people on earth this last week became a
Christian on the killing field?
They saw Charlie Kirk and theythought, you know, I wasn't a
Christian before, but I think Iunderstand what it means to be a
Christian today.

SPEAKER_02 (01:10:47):
Talk about idolatry.
Can you imagine?
Uh, well, that's what ProsecutorSimmons tried to do, that
somehow I sit up in front of thechurch and said, Yeah, look at
me, and now I'm sure you want tobecome a Christian.
Yeah.
In fact, I doubt most peoplelook at my life and go, Yeah, I
want that too.
Either that or you don't knowwhat's taking place in my life.

(01:11:07):
Galatians 1, 6, I am astonishedthat you are so quickly
deserting the one who called youby the grace of Christ.
Again, these people in Galatiansat least understood what the
message is.
Part of the problem is thatpeople just don't know what the
message is anymore.
So they're vulnerable is noteven the word.
They're being taken in.
It's not even Satan finds iteasy.

(01:11:30):
There's nothing to con.
Correct.
It'd be like, you know, yourdaughter believes in fairies.
So you tell her, yeah, there'sfairies there and there.
Well, she's not going to thinkshe's being taken in, correct?

SPEAKER_15 (01:11:43):
Correct.

SPEAKER_02 (01:11:44):
I'm astonished that you're so quickly deserting the
one who called you by the graceof Christ.
You see, this is all a modernmoving event.
This is a modern, you know, whatam I?
What were the words?
Entertainment thing that I'mlooking for is what's going on.
Um, called you by the grace ofGod and are turning to a
different gospel.
Folks, this is a completelydifferent gospel.

(01:12:06):
And the odds are you've probablybeen taken in little by little
by this particular gospel.
One way or another, the churchhas been worn down.
And Paul goes on to say inGalatians 1, 7, which is really
no gospel to all.
This is no gospel at all.
All this wow, all this wobbingexcitement is not a gospel at

(01:12:27):
all.
It's opposed to the gospel ofJesus Christ.
Look, if they want, TurningPoint wants to drop the gospel
thing, all right, go for it.
But the minute you bring inJesus Christ, then the truth has
to be told.
He goes on to say, evidently,some people are throwing you
into confusion and are trying topervert the gospel of Christ.

(01:12:47):
There's a perversion takingplace here.
We're not going to be able to goall the way into it today.
That'll be next time we record.
But he goes on to say, this ishow serious this is, Galatians
1.8.
But even if we or an angel fromheaven should preach a gospel
other than one we preach to you,let him be eternally condemned.

(01:13:09):
As we have already said, so nowI say again, if anybody is
preaching to you a gospel otherthan what you accepted, let him
be eternally condemned.
Galatians 1 10 says, Am I nowtrying to win the approval of
men or of God?
See, the problem is if youpreach the true gospel, you

(01:13:31):
cannot draw these numbers ofcrowds.
Correct.
It will not happen.
Give me 15 minutes, Jacob.
You think I need that long andjust preach some few obedient
things that need to happenbefore they all run me out of
town or run me out of the arenaor whatever.

(01:13:52):
What do you think?
15 minutes, 10 minutes?
How long do you think it'd take?
15 to 20.
20 minutes.
All right, I'll take 20 minutes.
Am I now trying to win theapproval of men or of God?
Or am I trying to please men?
If I were still trying to pleasemen, I would not be a servant of
Christ.
Everything about these people isto draw in as many people as you

(01:14:17):
can.
It is a people-pleasingmovement, and the result is what
we see.
Any comments or anything, Jacob?

SPEAKER_15 (01:14:28):
No.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:29):
I think we've gone on long enough for today.

SPEAKER_07 (01:14:34):
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King County and City of EnumClaw.
Washington State's persecutionactions against Christian books
by Timothy Williams.
Fact one.
Seattle's King Countyprosecutors utilized false
accusations, lies, slanders, andtruth twisting to dismantle
Sound Doctrine Church, WinePress Publishing, and the Salt

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Shaker Christian Bookstore.
Fact two.
Take into account DetectiveGrant McCall's decades of abuse
of police powers in the city ofEnum Claw to oppose Timothy
Williams.
Quote from Enum Claw Policethrough Grant McCall to block
someone from attending arighteous Christian church.
Enum Claw Detective GrantMcCall.

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For more information and massiveevidence, visit
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Now consider the corrupt proxyprosecution of Timothy Williams
by King County prosecutors andJudge Laurie K.

(01:15:36):
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Timothy Williams.
Quote from the 30-day trial,which derogatorily zeroed in and
targeted the church TimothyWilliams pastored.
Quote from prosecutor JasonSimmons.
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repeatedly stated TimothyWilliams writes the books.

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