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Ecclesiastes 1:18
For with much wisdom comes much sorrow; the more knowledge, the more grief.
Scripture just declared that with much wisdom comes more  sorrow and grief.
Let us fully enter that sorrow and grief.
The sorrow and grief of Jordon Peterson
The sorrow and grief of Erick Kirk and Turning Point USA
The sorrow and grief of what is coming upon the whole world
In this, the year of our Lord, 2025.

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SPEAKER_05 (00:04):
Ecclesiastes 1.18.
For with much wisdom comes muchsorrow.
The more knowledge, the moregrief.
Scripture just declared thatwith much wisdom comes more
sorrow and grief.
Let us fully enter that sorrowand grief.
The sorrow and grief of JordanPeterson.

(00:26):
The sorrow and grief of EricKirk in Turning Point USA.
The sorrow and grief of what iscoming upon the whole world.
In this, the year of our Lord,2025.

SPEAKER_02 (00:46):
Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we
examine today's wisdom, folly,and madness.
More information can be found atwww.consider.info.
Now, here are your hosts,Timothy and Jacob.

SPEAKER_12 (01:05):
Jacob, I know you will be disappointed, but I
don't have another careeropportunity for you today.
Yeah, bummer.
I almost went for one that, youknow, you could lie, your pride
gets puffed up, you're beyondthe law, but I figured you would
guess it was becoming aprosecutor.

SPEAKER_10 (01:25):
Prosecutor, deputy, maybe a deputy prosecutor, an
assistant prosecutor.

SPEAKER_12 (01:30):
I guess it would have to be assistant corrupt
prosecutor, because the lawdoesn't it'd be very, very I'm
gonna cut you short.

SPEAKER_10 (01:39):
I'm not interested in that job.

SPEAKER_12 (01:42):
Well, I'd love to send a missionary, true disciple
of Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_10 (01:47):
Undercover, yeah, in there.

SPEAKER_12 (01:48):
Oh, you couldn't be undercover.
No, you wouldn't you would notlast.
You could even leave out prayer,you could leave out Jesus' name.
You just go in and be honest andnot tell a lie and not
exaggerate anything and uh havemercy with uh with judgment.
Wouldn't happen.
Which brings me to the pointthat there is a vast difference

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between the Christian religionor Christian faith and actually
being a disciple of Jesus.
Because I'm sure there's a lotof indignant uh prosecutors
going, well, I'm a Christian, Igo to church.
Uh-huh.
Give me a buzz.
I'd love to put you online andlet's just put that to the test
and come into the light.
All right, so let's play thisclip here, which demonstrates

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real clear what the Christianreligion or the Christian faith
looks like versus being adisciple of Jesus.
You ever seen that video?

SPEAKER_07 (02:46):
No.
Pull that video up because it'sone of my favorite.
What would be your favoritebook?
I have two that I wouldrecommend on a daily basis that
people read.
One is the book of Proverbs,which is written by King
Solomon.
It's 31 chapters, and they'refundamental truths and values
and wisdom that applies toanybody regardless of religion.
The second one is a book by anancient samurai known as
Miyamoto Musashi.

(03:06):
He wrote a book by the name TheFive Rings, and he wrote it in a
cave a couple weeks before hedied, where he expresses the art
of war and the art of being asamurai, but he does it in a
very poetic way that translatesinto simple values.
One of them I tweeted abouttoday says, The journey of a
thousand miles begins with thefirst step.

SPEAKER_12 (03:24):
Wow.
Rich stuff.
You're gonna go on a journey.
Guess what, Jacob?
It begins with that first step.
That's poetic.
That's rich.
Yeah.
I know we're kind of making funof it, but when you put the two
books together, one's, you know,Proverbs, and you can apply it
to your life, and you can godown.
And you have to remember,according to the Babylon B, oh

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no, I guess that was um ElonMusk who became a Christian.
Yes.
Who was it that was saying,well, there was just all this
speculation that Joe Rogan mightbecome a Christian, was headed
that direction, attendingchurch, you know, yeah.
Now, the course there's hundredsof those.
This is my favorite, sosomebody's tacking that on that,
whether that's him or not, Icouldn't tell you.

SPEAKER_13 (04:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 (04:08):
But what we see here is a classic example of how most
people actually approach Jesus,which is to read the Bible.
And we think by reading theBible that somehow we're
Christians or that we havefaith.
Am I correct on that?

SPEAKER_10 (04:24):
Yeah, or that that's going to get you closer to God.
Read your Bible.

SPEAKER_12 (04:28):
Exactly.
Go to John 10 27, and this istrue faith in Jesus, and
everything gets measured fromhere.
John chapter 10, verse 27.
Go ahead and read that, Jacob.

SPEAKER_10 (04:43):
My sheep listen to my voice, I know them, and they
follow me.

SPEAKER_12 (04:48):
It all really does come down to listening to the
voice of God, and there is notime to discuss all the
different ways God, and I'mputting this in quotes, talks to
his disciples.
Uh, if you want to, I wrote abook many years ago.
It's Ears to Hear by Way of theCross.
Because what's missing is peoplewill quote this scripture and

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say, Oh, I'm a part of Jesus, Ifollow Jesus, I hear his voice.
Okay, that's fine.
That's that's quite the claim.
So then let's go down throughscripture because obviously,
what is Jesus going to lead usinto, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (05:23):
Uh he's gonna lead us into sufferings.

SPEAKER_12 (05:25):
Going to lead us into sufferings, lead us into
more and more obedience toscripture, correct?
Correct.
I'm reminded of John chapter 5,verse 39, where Jesus says, You
diligently study the scripturesbecause you think that by them
you possess eternal life.
These are the scriptures thattestify testify about me, yet

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you refuse to come to me to havelife.
When I watch and when we examineCharlie Kirk's life and all
these people and JordanPeterson, they're all trying to
avoid going to Jesus.
They're all trying to get awayfrom the cross and following
Jesus.
So you find this study onreligion, you find this claiming
of faith in the Bible andscripture and its basic tenets

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and so on and so forth.
But that is the Christianreligion.
Really, it's a form of idolatry.
Remember Acts chapter 32, wherethey build a golden calf to
worship the Lord.
And then what does Aaron say?
Do you remember?
Uh, we're gonna have a festival,festival for the Lord.
To the Lord.
Yes, right.

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For the Lord, to the Lord.
So he takes the idolatry offashioning all of how we want
God to be, which happened to bea golden calf for them, all
shiny, new, and exciting.
You got to sit down and eat anddrink, and in order to justify
it or to redeem it, I you know,I don't know what went through
Aaron's head, but the main pointis they tack on the name of the

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Lord.
So when you look at TurningPoint USA with the razzle and
the dazzle and all the fireworksand the fine clothes and the
movement like a sporting event,and then there you're just kind
of tacking on belief in Jesus.
Now, and really, even in theirstructure, remember we talked
about this in the last video.
They the Christian element is asubsection of actually turning

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point USA.
Yeah, correct.
All right, so let's go to Johnchapter 12, verse 25.
I know you're well familiar withit.
To follow the voice of JesusChrist is to head into trouble,
is to head into suffering, to gowhere we do not want to go.

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Just one, this is just some baseexample.
Let's not just do some grandiosething, although that that could
be there.
You've got pride in your life,the Holy Spirit, the voice of
God, not you yourself.
It's not you going to scripturesaying, Oh, yeah, I've got
pride, so I'm gonna kind of dealwith it and wrestle and dig it
all out.
No, no, that'll never work.

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Pride cannot crucify pride, itwon't work.
Pride will become proud ofcrucifying itself.
So that's a trap.
You can't get there.
And that this is true with anysin.
Yeah.
So what happens is to a discipleof Jesus, he loses his life.
He's no longer in control of hisBible study, he's no longer in
control of what church heattends or she's no longer in

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control of his money, anything.
Everything is surrendered to thecross of Jesus Christ.
And people will say that, exceptwhat you don't see is okay,
well, where is the sufferings?
Where is the crucifixion?
Uh, you'll find people that evenaren't Christians saying, you
know, I really can't tell anydifference.
In fact, Jordison Peterson willsay that, and that's because the

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message is not even beingpreached, let alone it being
lived.
Yeah.
Go ahead and read John chapter12, and I'm gonna let you go
through 25 and 27, and we'vecovered this a whole lot in past
episodes, I'm not gonna be ableto spend a great deal of time on
it today.

SPEAKER_10 (08:56):
The man who loves his life will lose it, while the
man who hates his life in thisworld will keep it for eternal
life.
Whoever serves me must followme, and where I am, my servant
also will be.
My father will honor the one whoserves me.
Now my heart is troubled, andwhat shall I say?

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Father, save me from this hour.
No, it was for this very reasonI came to this hour.

SPEAKER_12 (09:23):
Think about it.
Jesus is just getting ready tobe betrayed, go through all the
humiliation, be crucified, andhe's telling us that's where we
will head.
That's where God will lead us.
It's not gonna get softer orbetter.
You're not gonna save America.
I don't want to get toosidetracked, but I'd love to

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have a bunch of missionariesthat go to colleges knowing they
will be kicked out, but facingthe sufferings of Jesus Christ
as God leads.
There's a lot of people oncollege campus doing a lot of
debate.
Whether that's of God or not canbe measured by how much of the
gospel they are presenting.
The man who loves his life willlose it, while the man who hates

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his life in this world will keepit for eternal life.
We have to give up and not justgive up.
It's a hatred.
I hate when I want to get up andI hate when I want to go to
sleep.
I hate what I eat, I hate so onand forth.
Your whole life, your money,your car, your pleasures, your
wife, your children.
It's all there in scripture.

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Sometimes they quote it,sometimes they don't.

Verse 26 (10:30):
whoever serves me must follow me.
So we become servants of JesusChrist, following him.
Now, everything that I justlisted and more is what he's
going to lead us into, and it'sgoing to lead into suffering and
conflict.
And where I am, my servant alsowill be.
So the disciple of Jesus isfollowing the Holy Spirit where

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God wants him to go.
And that always leads toweakness, humility, brokenness,
further, how can I put this?
Imaging of God's word in ourwhole life and soul and spirit.
It's not us reading the Bibleor, yeah, I love it when you go
to buy a Bible, you can get thefull year study Bible.

(11:15):
You can get the candy caneBible.
You know, I don't know what allthey are.
Um, all these outlines, youknow, the preaching Bible,
everything's just laid out.
Yeah.
So Jesus is not in those things.
It's an absolute w waste oftime.
It's in the way because whenJesus comes to you, you go,
Well, I study the scripturesbecause I think I have
pre-eternal life.

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Yeah.
All right, verse 27.
So you get up in the morning andyou say with Jesus, now my heart
is troubled.
I don't want to see my pride.
I don't want to see my sexualimmorality.
I don't want to see my impurity.
I don't want to see thepollution of the world in my
life, or the lack of love for myneighbor, or whatever it might

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be.
It's a it's a it's everythingbecause your whole life is laid
bare.
And what shall I say?
Father, save me from this hour.
That's how most people likeJesus save me from.
That's what we're talking about.
No, it is for this very reason Icame to this hour.
When I'm discipling people,they'll often agree with, okay,

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yeah, that is the suffering ofJesus, and yeah, yeah, I know
you're right, and I need to gothere.
And then they kind of grit theirteeth and endure it.
And I always have to turn tothem, well, you need to press on
so that it becomes a joy to do.
Because once Jesus had gonethrough the wrestling process,
what did he do?
He said, Here comes my betrayer,rise up and let's do it.
He went on in the joy of theLord, so to speak.

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He went in on the power of God.
He accepted exactly what Godwanted to do.
And he didn't, he wasn'tgrudgingly.
Was he up on the cross, Jacobgoing, Oh man, this is God's
will, and I can't wait till it'sover with?
No.
No, he pressed on to the placeof joy.
And so many people that I knowthat have fallen away or left,
they always got up to that pointwhere, okay, I realize I need to

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suffer with this in my life,whatever it might be.
And they agreed with it and theyknew it was the truth, and they
they would play at it and go,okay, I'm going to suffering,
but they never pressed on, neversurrendered to the point they
said, This is a joy, this isperfect.
One example I can give you earlyon when I was going to college,

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God was telling me to drop out.
At that time, it was the I wasjust a Christian.
It was like this horrendousthing.
Oh man, am I hearing the truth?
Is this God really want me to dothis?
I mean, my parents want me tostay in college, and there was
all this turmoil going on, and Ibarely knew the scriptures.
And like, am I delusional?
And all of those things.
So it literally took me a yearand a half to even get up to

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speed.
And then when I finally did, ofcourse, I only had about um six
weeks left to graduate.
So you can imagine how myparents felt about that
particular thing.
My main point is you sufferthrough to the point it becomes
a joy.
Once I made the decision, onceit was clear, then the joy began
to follow.
So it was a very early lessonfor me.

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Do not take that long.
So the whole Christian of mefollowing Jesus Christ, God
starts going, okay, you got thatdown.
Now we're gonna go faster, nowwe're gonna go deeper, now we're
gonna go further, and I won'tbore everybody with my story
today.
John chapter eight, versethirty-one, Jacob.
Go ahead and read that.
And let's just savor it.

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Take it in.

SPEAKER_10 (14:30):
Chapter 8, verses 31.
And 32.
And 32.
To the Jews who had believedhim, Jesus said, If you hold to
my teaching, you are really mydisciples.
Then you will know the truth,and the truth will set you free.
They believe, don't they, Jacob?

SPEAKER_12 (14:51):
They are believers.
Tucker Carlson can't claims tobe a believer.
Megan Kelly claims to be abeliever.
Charlie Kirk, his wife,everybody that's attorney claims
to be a believer.
To the Jews who believed him.
So they they believe, yeah,that's it.
But then Jesus says, if you holdto my teaching, you are really

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my disciples.
What comes down to the testingis then is all the teachings,
all the obedience is what Jesustaught in Matthew 28, teaching
them to obey everything.
Then Jesus says in verse 32,then you will know the truth.
So you have to not only justbelieve, okay, yeah, Jesus, what

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you're saying is really true.
You have to then take thatteaching and hold on to it.
And why would I have to hold onto it, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (15:44):
Because you're gonna need it for all the sufferings
ahead.
Correct.
So you're holding on to ateaching.

SPEAKER_12 (15:50):
Now let's think about that.
You're holding on to a teachingthat you don't want to hear.
Who wants to hear?
Yeah, I want to go to the cross.
Yeah, I want to go suffer.
That takes some real maturity toget there.
Even Peter says only thosewho've suffered against sin in
their body have overcome.
So we're talking about ateaching here.

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That's one reason why nobodycomes running to my door.
Oh, I want to be a disciple,because here's the teaching.
The teaching is going to makeyou afraid.
The teaching is going to makeyou suffer.
The teaching of holding on toJesus is going to lead you every
single day of every hour ofevery day where you do not want
to go.

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The freedom is hidden in theoffense of the cross.
Once you take hold of that, onceyou embrace it and allow it to
do its work, then you really doknow a freedom.
Then you will know the truth,and the truth will what?
Set you free.
Set you free.
Again, just one example when Iwas a very, very, very, very

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young Christian, taking God atHis Word, poor family, that kind
of thing, just getting started,and somebody needed a car.
I gave them away my only carbecause it's what Jesus said to
do.
That's what he was working.
Now you can imagine, how do youthink my parents viewed that,
Jacob?
Uh, like you were insane.
Totally.
Not only I was all also anembarrassment to them because

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even though I had quit college,which was an embarrassment
enough, and my my dad was knownaround town.
So then I started debating withthe gays that were on the
college.
Now, this is way back when whengays weren't out front and all
of that kind of thing.
So it was a much more serious,they didn't have the upper hand,
so there was this kind ofembarrassment just to accept.

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My parents got all kinds ofridicule.
You can see why the relationshipdisappeared.
Now, naturally, I got the blamethat I wouldn't talk to them and
I wouldn't associate withparents.
The other way around, theydidn't want to talk to me.
I was a, as I repeated, acomplete embarrassment.
All right, a little bit of atangent there.
Any comments or anything on thatquestion on that, Jacob?

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No.
All right, then let's go on toJames chapter 1, verse 27,
because we're down to nowholding to the teaching of
Jesus.
We're now measuring anyone whoclaims to be a Christian.
Okay, let's look at thescriptures that by the power of
the cross that God has workedand fashioned in your life.
I don't expect perfection.

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I'm not even perfect, but therehas to be this overwhelming
testimony to not only just thebasics of how you become a
Christian, but then how theChristian life works and lives
and how the Holy Spirit ismoving and how much the cross is
manifesting itself.
James chapter 1, verse 27 says,religion that God our Father

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accepts is pure and flawless.
So we're looking, we're lookingat what religion is, what it
means to follow Jesus, what'spure, what's flawless is this,
to look after orphans.
Everybody would kind of agreewith that.
And widows in their distress.
We're going to look at a widowhere in a moment.
I'm not 100% sure how distressedshe is, but nevertheless, there

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are certain scriptures thatapply.
Widows in their distress.
And look at this last one.
And I don't, I don't know.
Have you ever heard it quotedmuch, Jacob?
It says, and to keep oneselffrom being polluted by the
world.

SPEAKER_10 (19:15):
Yeah, you'll hear it.
You'll hear it in some circles,but then they just usually
circle about back around to,well, don't watch bad movies and
read your Bible, and you're notbeing polluted by the world.
That's you know, supergenerically.

SPEAKER_12 (19:26):
Gotcha, gotcha.
Well, there's since the wholeworld is a source of pollution,
religion, philosophies, how wedress, what we do, how our hair
looks, everything.
We we should back up and look ateverything inside our heart,
outward, yeah, movies, all thatkind of stuff.
And I'm not going to lay out abunch of rules for everybody

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because that's to avoid thepower of the Holy Spirit.
That's religion.
When you get rules of don'twatch this, don't do that, don't
wear this, don't go there,that's religion because it's a
source of laws and principlesand ideas.
Following Jesus Christ meansthose things will happen in due
course and due time.
You'll see this overwhelmingobedience, being water baptized

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to be saved because that's wherethe power is.
You'll see a good foundation,and then you'll see them
cleaning up their lives as Godmoves in their life.
So it gets manifested by seeingGod working in their lives.
They're no longer the sameperson.
All right.
One of the things we would be onguard against, though, would be
any philosophy, any teaching,any concept that sets itself up

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against Christ, correct?
Correct.
Well, let's play this next clipby Charlie Kirk, who it's
indicative of his polluted ideasof Jesus.
Go ahead and play it.

SPEAKER_04 (20:46):
He was pointing towards the divine.

SPEAKER_03 (20:48):
Absolutely.
Now, have you ever watched orlistened to the play, The Magic
Flute by Mozart?
I highly recommend it.
It's deeply esoteric, and it'sabout something that most people
wouldn't ever expect.
Alright, I have my homework atthe Magic Flux.
Absolutely.
Yeah, he was actually aFreemason, is that right?
And he made his final and mostpopular play about Masonic
initiation.

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So when I went and first saw it,under that context, it was
really mind-blowing what yousee.
I highly recommend it.
You got it.
And on that note, what do youthink about the Freemasons?
I've seen a lot of conspiraciesand a lot of good strong
opinions about it, honestly.

SPEAKER_04 (21:23):
Um I've known some people that have been Masons
that have just been like regulareveryday people.
But I'm I'm open-minded.
I don't have I don't have strongopinions on it.
Cool.
Very cool.

SPEAKER_10 (21:35):
Now uh very cool, huh, Jacob?
Very, he's open-minded.
Why why are we gonna beopen-minded about the Masons?

SPEAKER_12 (21:48):
Go to Second Corinthians while I gather my
thoughts, chapter 10, verse 5.
By the way, my dad was a 32nddegree Mason.
I remember very early as a kid,uh, eight years old, he he'd go
into the bedroom, close thedoor, and he had a it's the old
reel-to-reel type tape recorderwhere you actually had to feed

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the tape and all that stuff.
And he was busy memorizing codesand or chants or whatever it is
Freemason do.
But it's not a Freemason is nota good thing.
No.
And you don't besides, whatokay, Second Corinthians chapter
10, verse 5.
Go ahead, Jacob, and read it,and let's see if Charlie Kirk

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reflects this.

SPEAKER_10 (22:34):
We demolish arguments and every pretension
that sets itself up against theknowledge of God, and we take
captive every thought to make itobedient to Christ.

SPEAKER_12 (22:46):
There was no we demolish arguments and every
pretension, Freemasonry is apretension.
And why in a ministry,supposedly, do you have
Freemasons involved?
At best, it's an impure thing ofuh the world.
At best.
I don't know about all theconspiracy theories.

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You try to dig on, of course,you got both arguments that no,
it's just this fun thing orwhatever.
It's this club, and then you gotthe other dark side.
I have a feeling the truth issomewhere in the middle.

SPEAKER_10 (23:20):
Correct.
I mean, they everybody knowsthey do very weird, semi, you
know, demonic rituals.
Like they do super weird ritualsthat are very not Christian
like.
Like everybody knows this.
A quick, a quick, a quick glanceof what they do is is it's not

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good.

SPEAKER_12 (23:41):
Not only that, they have a I think they throw in
some concepts about Jesus, butit's all watered down.
It's just he's a tea.
I don't know, a teacher,whatever.
They really don't know we'regood that came from it, that's
for sure.

SPEAKER_10 (23:54):
Yeah, even if they're like, yeah, at best
though, you're you're yeah, it'syou're mixing stuff and not good
stuff.

SPEAKER_12 (24:01):
My dad was, as I said, a 32nd degree.
Yeah, I think you can only goone more, but like I'm no expert
on this stuff.
I don't even want to be anexpert.
But they're not needed.
What's the point?
There, yeah, there is no pointif you're a disciple of Jesus,
then you have the fellowshipwith the brothers and sisters
and churches around the world.
So this is complete nonsense.

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There was a thousand other waysto answer this question other
than the way Charlie Kirkanswered.
And of course, there'sspeculation that he might
himself have been a Mason, um,and they're very quiet about who
does it, very secretive.
Let's go to First Corinthianschapter two, verse two, because

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what Christian religion does isit sucks out all the power of
the cross to really deal with aman's sin.
You can you can embrace areligious Jesus and cherry pick
and choose which scriptures.
In fact, you'll find, yeah,here's a list of scriptures when
you're feeling down.
And here's a list of scriptureswhen you just want to praise

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God.
Here's a list of scriptures whenyou're going through suffering.
That's just fact, okay, thatit's like what?
You just go in and pick andchoose what you want to believe
at the moment and think you'regonna be all well.
I mean, it's not like Jesus upon the cross going, well, you
know what, I'm gonna think aboutPsalms 23, or I'm gonna think
about how God is always with me.
No, that that's to deny the veryspirituality and the movement

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and walking with Jesus.
When Jesus has me in valleys andwhen dark times are coming over
me because of his leading, Ican't step out of that by going,
okay, I'm gonna just claim thisscripture over here.
I need to know that everyscripture that I'm looking at
and taking in is something theHoly Spirit is inspiring or

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laying in my heart for adifferent time.
There's times of joy.
But even those you have to bevery, very careful.
That's why in James it says, ifany of you is happy to sing
songs and hymns to God.
You don't go out partying or gochurch and have fun ton and all
that kind of thing.
You can only have the joy whenGod brings the joy.

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Jesus was a man of sorrows, andas he walked on the earth, there
are no points when it says theHoly Spirit filled him with joy.
The Christian life, as we justread, the more knowledge, the
more sorrow, correct?
Which means the more Godenlightens a disciple about this
ministry or this person or thisgoing over here, what do we

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gain?

SPEAKER_10 (26:39):
More sorrows.
More sorrows.

SPEAKER_12 (26:41):
Exactly.
Most people don't want that.
We're stuck to whatever we wantto believe, whether it's being a
Baptist, Methodist, or whatever.
Jacob, let's go to 1 Corinthians2.2.
For I resolved to know nothingwhile I was with you except
Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
Now, would you say turningpoint, USA, then when you look

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at them, you go, they knownothing but Jesus Christ, Him
crucified.
It's the same message over andover again.
Ooh, definitely not.
Jordan Jordan Peterson, when youhear all of his teaching and his
knowledge of this world and howthe psychology and all, would
you say you walk away going,Man, there's a guy that only
knows Jesus Christ and himcrucified?

SPEAKER_10 (27:27):
Definitely not.

SPEAKER_12 (27:28):
Definitely not.
That's why Jesus said theworkers are few.
People flock around anentertaining message or a
political message, or let's saveAmerica, let's protect our lives
kind of thing.
Anything but the cross.
Now, it goes on to say in versethree, I came to you in weakness
and fear and with muchtrembling.
When you saw Erica Kirk up onthe stage, was there a lot of

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weakness and fear?
No.
And much trembling?
No.
No.
Verse 4, my message and mypreaching were not with wise and
persuasive words, but with ademonstration of the Spirit's
power.
Read that again, Jacob, foreverybody.

SPEAKER_10 (28:05):
My message and my preaching were not with wise and
persuasive words, but with ademonstration of the Spirit's
power.

SPEAKER_12 (28:15):
You know, that's why when prosecutor Jason Simmons
and King County prosecutorssaid, What attracted you to
Sound Doctrine Church?
He would the truthful answerwould be, Well, let me do the
negative, because I can't reallydo the positive.
Would you say my words were allpersuasive, Jacob?
No.
Like razzle and dazzle andentertainment and little drum

(28:37):
set here and a little fireworkshere, and like you'll be
blessed, and it's all gonna workout, and all of this kind of
thing.
Or, you know, really join.
We'd like to see you a part ofit.
We need workers, we needlaborers, you know, all the
persuasive words that churchesuse, correct?

SPEAKER_10 (28:54):
Uh yeah, you definitely didn't have those
words.

SPEAKER_12 (28:57):
No charismatic part of me is you know, come to the
church social, the churchdinner, the church dance.
I there's so many gimmicks outthere.
It was like raw scripture.
It was like there's the cross,and this is what's about to
happen.
Yes, I presented both in equalmeasure the suffering and the
joys, but the one came after theother.

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My message and my preaching werenot with wise.
Did I come in with all the Greekand the Hebrew and the
in-betweenies and all that kindof stuff?

SPEAKER_10 (29:28):
No.
So to put this in perspective, Ididn't come with a wise biblical
knowledge, correct?
Correct.
Well, there was biblicalknowledge, but no, not like uh
not literally wise, yeah.
Correct, not Jordan Petersonknowledge.

SPEAKER_12 (29:46):
Or the your typical pastor that's really preaching
from commentary books.
Sure.
But with a demonstration of thespirit's power.
And by that, don't get confusedabout what you see on TV.
This wasn't me walking up.
Again, this would be thecharismatic, you know, putting
my hands on them and And slayingthem in the spirit, or everybody
speaking in tongues.
And I don't deny the miracles,and I don't deny that God does

(30:06):
things in a miraculous way.
But you know what?
It always leads to thesufferings by following Jesus
Christ.
Now, verse five says, so thatyour faith might not rest on
man's wisdom, but on God'spower.
What's happening is that thecross of Christ, in terms of its
power to really crucify people,and I could go, we could go down

(30:30):
the list again.
I could just do five things likeif Charlie Kirk or Eric Kirk or
Jordan Peterson stood up andquoted any number of offensive
scriptures that really demandeverything, they would lose
their falling because they'renot preaching the gospel of
Jesus Christ.
They don't even understand theresolve to know nothing but
Jesus Christ and him crucified.

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Play this next clip.
This this is Pearlie.
She she recognizes these things.
Not that I give her any creditfor it.
We can all a lot of people canrecognize the faults in these
things, but whether they live itthemselves or not, usually
that's not the case.

SPEAKER_08 (31:09):
The cries of a widow will echo around the world like
a battle cry.
Um, the evildoers who tookCharlie's c life, they have no
idea what they have done.
If they thought my husband'smission was powerful before,
they have no idea what they havejust unleashed.
Not across the country, but inme.
Charlie will always say, Neversurrender.
This is a sad situation, andwe're asking for donations.

(31:31):
I feel guilty that I'm havingthis thought because of how sad
the situation is.

SPEAKER_12 (31:37):
You never saw in the first church, did you, Jacob,
after the crucifixion andresurrection of Jesus, Paul and
them going, and Peter and theapostles going on a fundraising
thing to continue the message,correct?
Very correct.
They were so devastated by themessage of the cross that it was
all weakness.

(31:58):
It was all like none of thatmeans anything.
So in the same way, anyoneencountering the kind of true
gospel of Jesus Christ, thisthis fundraising, these kinds of
things, they become abhorrent.
You wouldn't even do it.
There's no power to them, itwon't rescue you from anything,
correct?

SPEAKER_10 (32:15):
Correct.
It's it's uh this is a totalside note, but like every time
there's a tragedy, don't mostpeople say like, hey, please
respect the person's privacylike as they grieve.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, where was the where wasthe grieving process?
They just jumped like literallylike like 48 hours.

(32:36):
We're talking hours, not evenlike enough days, and like bam,
we're raising money.
That's what you want to do.
It's ugh.

SPEAKER_12 (32:44):
I I agree.
And the ug is really your yourbest.

SPEAKER_10 (32:48):
And even the other, this other lady, the pearl lady,
Pearly, even she picks up on theug.
That's why she's like, Oh, Ifeel guilty thinking this
because she obviously it istragic because the guy died, but
there's like a ug factor.

SPEAKER_12 (33:01):
Correct.
It and it does us no good towalk away from it and ignore
this.
This whole thing is like it'snot of God.
So, what is God working here?
What what is he bringing about?
Let's play this next clip first,Jacob.
I call this the revival bikinibecause this is what Turning
Point USA and Jordan Petersonand Megan Kelly and Tucker

(33:26):
Carlson are all telling us toaccept that belongs to Jesus
Christ.
It's of Jesus Christ, that thisis a foundational thing, this is
this is okay, this is proper,this is what should be done.
Go ahead and play this and letus contemplate for a moment that
Jesus is like in the audience.
I mean, he overturned tables inthe temple just for collecting

(33:47):
money, right?

SPEAKER_11 (33:49):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (33:50):
So this is supposed to be a woman who's going to
lead Turning Point USA involvesthe faith of Charlie Kirk,
because that's what it's reallybeing called.
And by the way, a lot of peopledie for their faith.
Buddhists die for their faith,Hindus die for their faith.

(34:10):
China attacks the Tibetan monks,they die for their faith.
Dying for your faith ismeaningless.
Dying for Jesus Christ becauseyou're a disciple of Jesus.
Now, that's the only place thatyou get meaning.
Everything else is a waste oftime.
The Reformation, uh, Baptistswere burned at the stake by

(34:30):
Catholics and so on.
And then when the Baptists gotin charge, or who I use Baptists
as an example, but I don't knowwho was the Protestants got in
charge.
They went after the Catholics,right?

SPEAKER_10 (34:39):
Yeah, correct.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 (34:40):
So everybody's dying for their cause and their faith,
but that does not mean it's ofGod or of Jesus Christ or of the
truth.
And in the case of Turning Pointand Tucker and Megan Kelly and
Jordan Peterson, whatever hillthey're dying on is not of Jesus

(35:00):
Christ, even though they claimit.
And Jordan Peterson doesn't evenquite claim it.
So what is God working here?
What is all this razzle anddazzle happening?
Well, God is sending a powerfuldelusion.
Go ahead and play that firstrevival bikini clip.
And this is what God is offeringthe Christian church.

SPEAKER_05 (35:24):
Revival USA bikinis are available now.
Look over here.
Turn the USA away from thegospel.
Get your revival USA bikinitoday.
Bikinis on sale today.
Yeah.
USA.
USA.
USA.
Turning heads for the USA.

(35:46):
Turning point, USA.
See the curves.
See the waves.
See the smile.
God declares.
1 Timothy 2.9.
I also want women to dressmodestly, with decency and
propriety, not with braided hairor gold or pearls or expensive

(36:07):
clothes.
Satan was judged.
Ezekiel 28 17.
Your heart became proud onaccount of your beauty, and you
corrupted your wisdom because ofyour splendor.
The Consider Podcast.
Donning our hot bikinis.
Examining today's wisdom, folly,and madness.

SPEAKER_10 (36:45):
Comment, Jacob?
Um.
Yep, that is exactly what ishappening, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_12 (36:52):
Do we really have to be told that that's not
something God would accept?

SPEAKER_10 (36:58):
Uh nowadays, yes.

SPEAKER_12 (37:00):
And they would throw stones at me if they had the
chance.
If this is so godly, if this isthe foundation of turning point,
if this is the beginning point,and I even hate to say this
because it could happen.
Why aren't churches havingbeauty contests?
You know?
I don't even want to make fun ofit because it's to make light of

(37:21):
the fact.
Who is this going to attract?
Subconsciously, consciously,whatever.
You've got all these peoplelooking at this.
They they know where she comesfrom.
She they know she was in this.
In fact, there's other aspectsof her dress and so on we'll get
to in a moment.
So what's being appealed tohere?
Are those are those judgeslooking at her going, Wow, what

(37:44):
a Christian woman?

SPEAKER_10 (37:45):
No, this is all worldly, 100% worldly.
This is not Christian at all.

SPEAKER_12 (37:50):
No, it reminds you Revelation, where God says he
will judge the world for sexualmorality.
There in this time period, we weneed this?
Sure, yeah.
It has nothing to do with thepurity.
All right, let's go ahead nowand look at 2 Thessalonians
2.11.
And again, I've covered this indetail before, so we're just
kind of going to go skim throughit.

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Once again, I wrote a bookcalled Insanity of the Church,
which kind of addresses thispowerful delusion.
2 Thessalonians 2.11.
For this reason, now, nowpicture the revival bikini, and
you can just simply say, forthis reason.
This is what the people want.
This is like the golden calf.
It's all shiny, it's allfashioned out, it's for this

(38:36):
reason, God sends them a look atthis, powerful delusion, so that
they will believe the lie.
What is Turning Point USA?
What is Jordan Peterson, TuckerCarlson, Megan Kelly?
It's also that people willbelieve the lie.
God is giving the us or theChristian, false Christian

(38:58):
church, what it is they want tobelieve in.
Verse 12, and so that all willbe condemned who have not
believed the truth.
All of this again comes back tonot saying, Well, I believe God
exists.
Because you'll see this themethroughout the whole all these
people and these movements.

(39:18):
I mentioned it's like to believein God.
We've repeated it over.
I've written the book.
Jesus or James says, even thedemons believe.
It's the teaching, it's theobedience, it's the cross.
Let's go specifically.
Let's begin to allow the HolySpirit to really deal with our
hearts as he presses in in hisown will and way the sc living

(39:40):
scriptures into our lives,making us go where we do not
want to go.
And have delighted inwickedness.
Clearly the Turning Point USAand all of these people that are
supporting it and their littlefellowshipy groupy approve of
this, right?

SPEAKER_11 (40:00):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (40:01):
I mean, there's nobody saying, forget all the
conspiracy theories like, well,did the Freemasons kill Charlie
Kirk or the deep state or thisspiritual state?
You know what?
That's all meaningless talk.
Yeah.
I mean, Tucker, you just need toshut up.
It's not gonna what what happensat the end of the day?
Megan Kelly, what happens at theend of the day?
Okay, so what if it was aconspiracy?

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The whole world is under thecontrol of the evil one.
What really will come down to isyou're delighting in things that
are impure and unholy, but havedelighted in wickedness.
This is all wickedness.
Verse 13, but we ought always tothank God for you.
Now, why?
Why would he be thankful,brothers, loved by the Lord?

(40:42):
Because from the beginning, Godchose you to be saved.
Now, Jacob, is there a periodthere or a stopping point?
No.
Okay, I'm gonna let you read thelast part of it.
How then is God saving us?
How does this salvation work?
Is it just asking Jesus in yourheart, a believer prayer, a half

(41:04):
prayer, a dunking, asemi-dunking, a sprinkling?
How is it that God how what doeshe go on to say that saves us?
Go ahead, Jacob, and read that.

SPEAKER_10 (41:15):
God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying
work of the spirit and throughbelief in the truth.

SPEAKER_12 (41:22):
When's the last time you heard anybody talking about
the sanctifying work of thespirit?
Never sanctifying work thatinvolves hammers and nails and
crucifixion and going where youdo not want to go.
Even the YouTubers that mentionthis stuff, like, oh, look at

(41:43):
what look at this scripture,look at here.
There's no real suffering here.
It's it's all playtime.
It's not being confronted withthe living God, it's not his
holiness being spread out.
It's because that people cantolerate a certain amount of
like you need to clean up yourlife.
But we're talking a sanctifyingwork of the spirit that goes
deep into the soul, that goesthat crucifies self in the

(42:06):
spirit and in the soul of manand his body and his life and
his work and the turmoils andthe peace and the pain in the
family.
Look, there's a scripture, 1Corinthians 5, that says, if
anyone claims to be your brotherbut is sexually immoral, greedy,
a slander, an idolater, we'renot even supposed to eat lunch
with them.
Do you hear Charlie Kirk saying,Don't eat lunch with these

(42:28):
people?

SPEAKER_10 (42:29):
No, he ate lunch with these people.

SPEAKER_12 (42:32):
He would eat lunch, well, I would do it for reach
out, um uh Freemasons.
Correct.
Uh let's see, and through beliefin the truth.
You see, they both go hand inhand.
Correct.

SPEAKER_10 (42:47):
You gotta have both.

SPEAKER_12 (42:48):
Gotta have both.
Part of the and what we're beingpointed to here is that the
sanctifying work of the spiritis powerful enough, but then you
have to hold on to the truth.
And many, many a Christian hasfallen away or decided they
don't want to do it, and so theyjust let go of the truth, and
then the Holy Spirit dies down,and the sanctifying has stopped.

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Verse 14, he called you to thisthrough our gospel that you
might share in the glory ofJesus Christ.
So then, brothers, stand firm,hold to the teachings we passed
on to you, whether by word ofmouth or by letter.
The church has been so dumbeddown, the the increase of
wickedness is going on that thelove of most for God is growing

(43:34):
cold, correct?
Correct.
So they don't even know what I'mtalking about here.

SPEAKER_11 (43:38):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (43:39):
Now, it's one thing like people first come to the
church and they they kind of gotit, but it takes a while for
this to sink in deep and hard,and there's a lot, just like the
disciples, three and a halfyears, like he's completely
humbling them, he's breakingthem.
They think they understand.
They even go on missionary workand they come back all excited.
Oh, the demons submit, and everyand this happened, and we did

(44:01):
this miracle over here, andJesus goes, Don't get excited
about that.
Can you imagine?
I mean, I can because I've beenthrough where I go do these
works for Jesus or whatever, andthen he comes and goes, wasn't
quite the purity that needed tobe.
And what about this over here?
I mean, the work, thesanctifying work is going on and
on, and I never let go of themessage of the cross.

(44:22):
Keep holding on to theteachings.
People don't even have an ideaof what that teaching is because
they're too offended to evenlook anymore.
They're I the debates are likenot even exist anymore because
they really think this is someoutward kind of esoteric or
something that's not a part ofJesus Christ, correct?

SPEAKER_10 (44:43):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (44:44):
Any comments or anything on that, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (44:47):
No.

SPEAKER_12 (44:49):
Hmm.
I'm trying to debate here.
Do I need to share thescripture?
Do you not even eat?

SPEAKER_10 (44:56):
Uh, we can.

SPEAKER_12 (44:58):
Yeah, let's go to 1 Corinthians 5.11.
Just I want to make sure peoplelike um at least are confronted.
They stand before God going,Yeah, I kind of sort of heard
it.

SPEAKER_10 (45:07):
In case they think uh it's being made up.

SPEAKER_12 (45:10):
Yeah, well, or just you just I because I voiced it,
it's like you're tuned out kindof thing.
Um but can you imagine CharlieKirk, Jordan Peterson, um, well,
all these people, they stood upand said, Yeah, if you find
anybody in the church, like mostpeople couldn't find anybody
because they're so blind, butfirst Corinthians 5 11.
But now I am writing you thatyou must not.

(45:32):
Now that's a commandment, is itnot?
Isn't that that clear?
Now you'd be asking, well, theHoly Spirit, well, how do I do
this?
When do I do it?
This doesn't mean I go on aself-righteous rant.
I let God crucify my own sin, myown pride, my own judgments.
It it takes a while to get thediscernment and the love from
Jesus Christ to know how this isapplied.

(45:52):
But but Paul is writing topeople who at least have the
basics of the message down.
So don't take this as somecommandment to check off that,
oh, well, Tim Williams willapprove because I accepted what
he had to say.
I applied it to the Christianreligion, and so I don't
associate with these people.
You might get thoroughlyrebuked.
That's just nonsense.
Jesus Christ has to lead youinto that.
There is a timing and a place,and yeah, but now I'm writing

(46:16):
you that you must not associatewith anyone, anyone who calls
himself a brother but issexually immoral, you know,
revival bikinis, does thatapply?
Or greedy, an idolater?
Oh, I know, combining the worldalong with turning point USA, or
a slander, a drunkard, or aswindler with such a man, do not

(46:38):
even eat.
What business is of mine tojudge those outside the church?
Are you not to judge thoseinside?
God will judge those outside.
Expel the wicked man from amongyou.
Did you see a lot of peoplebeing kicked out at Turning
Point USA?

SPEAKER_10 (46:55):
Do.

SPEAKER_12 (46:56):
When they were passing out the white freedom
caps and the freedom t-shirts,and everybody is entering into
the auditorium.
Did you hear a commandment thatsays, Yeah, you know anybody in
here who claims to be aChristian but is sexually
immoral?
And defining that properly?
A greedy doesn't hate anddespise money, an idolator just
fashioning his own opinion intowhat he thinks Jesus would be, a

(47:19):
slander or a drunkard or aswindler, so on and so forth.
And don't get the idea that thisis a complete list.
We can go to other scriptures.
Did you see any of this talk?
And anybody leaving with theirhead down like, yeah, I'm that,
or maybe one or two peopleactually repenting?

SPEAKER_10 (47:34):
I didn't see any of that.

SPEAKER_12 (47:36):
Okay, I'm not even gonna go look because I think
I'd be there a while.
All right, so Erica Kirk nowbecomes the CEO of Turning Point
USA.
Let's talk about it and play theclip, Jacob.

SPEAKER_05 (47:52):
Erica Kirk is now CEO of Turning Point USA.
Erica Kirk is now chiefexecutive officer.
Erica Kirk is now the front andcenter big banana of turning
point.
Now, here's what a living Godcommands.
Here's what a holy God expects.

(48:14):
Here is the turning point oflove Jesus points to.
Consider Titus 2.5.
Women are to be self-controlledand pure, to be busy at home, or
consider 1 Timothy 5, 11 through15.
As for younger widows, do notput them on a widows list.

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I counsel younger widows tomarry, to have children, to
manage their homes, and to givethe enemy no opportunity for
slander.
Some have in fact already turnedaway to follow Satan.
The Consider Podcast.
Examining today's wisdom, folly,and madness.

(48:56):
www.consider.info.

SPEAKER_12 (49:04):
All right, let's break this down, Jacob, because
she claims to be a Christian.
Obviously, I'm repeating that,but they've set up a whole trust
fund for her and her kids, andthere's donations going in to
for her to support herself.
Never mind, they lived in a verynice house.
But that's not our point.

(49:24):
The point is she made herselfCEO.
Well, let's go to God, let's goto the Bible at least, and let's
say, okay, God, what should wecounsel?
Erica Kirk comes to me and goes,I'm a widow now.
That's obvious.
What would be God's will?
Well, let's break it down.
First Timothy 5, verse 9 there,Jacob.

(49:47):
Go ahead and read that firstline.

SPEAKER_10 (49:50):
No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she
is over 60.

SPEAKER_12 (49:57):
Okay.
So there's this list the churchkeeps.
The church, Christians are incharge, right?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
And she has to at least be over60 before it even applies.
Correct.
And has been faithful to herhusband.
Verse 10 tells us what?
And is well known for her gooddeeds.

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Not teaching, not ministry work,just good deeds.
Such as, and he gives us anexample, such as bringing up
children.
So clearly these are maturewidows, right?
Because they've brought up theirchildren.
And so you can look at that'snot to guarantee the child
becomes a Christian, but it isto guarantee that the raising up

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of those children was done in avery holy, humble, quiet manner,
correct?

SPEAKER_10 (50:46):
Correct.
And it's the first thing on thelist.
So there's a list here, but thatlike that's the top.
So we can we can confidently saythat is the number one priority,
right?
If if they have been raising upchildren all the way up to the
age of 60, then they've beendoing it a lot.
And that's been their number onegoal.

SPEAKER_12 (51:04):
Are you sure?
Can you repeat that one moretime?
What is it you're saying?

SPEAKER_10 (51:08):
I'm saying that they should have been doing this.
Oh, and if we should be doingwhat, Jacob?

SPEAKER_12 (51:13):
Doing what?

SPEAKER_10 (51:14):
Bringing up children.
Number one.
Top of the list.
Before all the other stuff,right?
So you're supposed to do otherthese other deeds, but the top
one, the top one.
It's not a career.
It's not uh whatever all theseother women want to do, running
around doing the number onebringing up children.

SPEAKER_12 (51:31):
I thought it was shopping at Walmart, having
Target, little retirement.

SPEAKER_10 (51:37):
Yeah, yeah, running around.
I I don't even know what womendo these days, being an
influencer.
I want to travel the world.
People don't even want to havekids.
You know what I mean?
But that's a totally differentsubject.
But you're supposed to bebringing up children.

SPEAKER_12 (51:49):
Actually, it's not a separate topic because what do
women complain of?
I don't want to raise kids, thatthe burden is trouble.
Yes, it's called a cross.
It's called laying down yourlife for somebody else.
For women, raising up andbringing up children, as Titus
says, being busy at home is across.
So when a woman says, Well, Idon't want to be busy at home,

(52:10):
that's right.
You don't want to pick up across.

SPEAKER_09 (52:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 (52:13):
It's that simple.
Or the I like the class use,well, you know, we don't have
the money, got to do two jobs.
You haven't even tested God tosee if we'll provide.
So you haven't followed him, sothat she's just not gonna work.

SPEAKER_10 (52:23):
No, I know.
Yeah.
Everyone likes, oh, societynowadays, you have to.
You're like, really?
You have to?

SPEAKER_12 (52:29):
Says who?
Exactly.
And not only that, verse 10says, well known for good deeds,
well known, such as bringing upchildren.
They have to be well known forthis, not this, well, I'm busy
at home, but then you look athim and you go, No, you're not.
You're busy doing crochet ordoing your business or doing
whatever else, you know, thingsyou want to do.
You're you're happy to send themto public schools just to get

(52:50):
rid of them.
All right, we beat up on thatjust for the moment, but it is
significant, such as bringing upchildren, showing hospitality,
washing the feet of the saints.
Wow, can you imagine?
Oh, I would be humbled even towalk into a house and have a
godly woman wash my feet, serveme in that kind of humility.

(53:10):
You don't even see it.

SPEAKER_09 (53:12):
No.

SPEAKER_12 (53:12):
Helping those in trouble and devoting herself to
all kinds of good deeds.
Do you see anything there aboutCEO work or going outside the
home?
I mean, if a if a womanattempted to do all those
things, is there time for any ofthat other stuff?

SPEAKER_10 (53:28):
No, there is not.

SPEAKER_12 (53:30):
This generation it's amazing to me how the Christian
church will not acknowledge withweeping and tears of how the
children have been abandoned.
And even among those who arequote busy at home, there's been
having fun at home and versusraising them up in Jesus Christ,

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or at least prepared with Godcalls them and they respond.
Yeah.
All right, verse 11 says, EricaKirk is a younger widow.
Would we not agree?

SPEAKER_10 (54:00):
Yes.

SPEAKER_12 (54:01):
All right, so here's here's the counsel that I would
have to say to her.
As for younger widows, do notput them on such a list.
You don't get a list, you don'tget a trust fund, you don't get
all these things.
Guess what you get to do?
You get to trust God.
So you don't put them on anykind of list.
They're not held up in any otherway.
So would there be a fundraising?

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This woman's not in need.
She can sell the home, she canget they're rich people.
As for younger widows, do notput them on such a list.
Is that not a directcommandment?

SPEAKER_10 (54:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_12 (54:35):
For when their sensual desires overcome their
dedication dedication to Christ,they want to marry.
What Paul is trying to do iscircumvent the point with which
the younger widow wants tomarry.
Do you get that?

SPEAKER_09 (54:51):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_12 (54:52):
So there's this, and we we see a little bit of this
reflected on YouTube where thesewomen are just crying out for a
man and all of these kinds ofthings.
So they're not being taught tofirst put their trust in Jesus
Christ.
This is hating for Jesus just ina nutshell, meaning that a woman
always puts her trust in theliving God, not in her husband.

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You don't see that at allanymore.
Because what you see is thewoman wants a good husband up
front, wants a godly husband upfront.
It leaves no room for God toactually refine the man.
And then when he doesn't live upto their expectations, they dump
him or divorce him or they don'tlove him anymore, and they're
not able to carry on becausethey don't have the love of

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Jesus Christ.
Don't have time to get into allthat.
Did that make sense?
That makes sense.
So what takes over is essential,the biological, the chemical,
the hormones overcome theirdedication to Christ, and they
want to marry.
He wants to keep it from gettingto that point.
Can you imagine there's no way achurch couldn't even live this

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out?
I'd be in, don't have a church,there's no church to join.
Don't worry, we're not goingthere.
Never even really face this.
But this is literally like ayounger woman coming in.
Yeah, I'm a widow, and I go,Well, you need to go get
married.
Anyway, verse 12 thus they bringjudgment on themselves because
they have broken their firstpledge.

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A younger widow, overcome in herdesire to be married, has broken
her first pledge to JesusChrist.
There's some seriousramifications, obviously, to
this, and he ends with it herein a moment.
Verse 13 is kind of what youalluded to earlier.

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Besides, they get into the habitof being idle, going about from
house to house, and not only dothey become idlers, but also
gossips and biddy busybodiessaying things they ought not to.
Any comment on that, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (56:59):
No, other than uh it he does seem to be lumping in
any widows or like all of themtogether.
Uh you know what I mean?
I don't know.
He doesn't lumping in all of theyounger ones together.
And so technically anythingunder 60.

SPEAKER_12 (57:16):
Well, and actually beyond, at one point in another
scripture, he'll write and say,uh, the widow who lives for
pleasure is dead while she'salive.
Okay, yeah.
So you're you're right ontarget.
Besides, they get into the habitof being idle.
Let's just kind of stop there ata moment.
So the widow is a single mother,I don't know, the state provides

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whatever, church feels sorry forwhatever.
So there's a great danger injust being idle.
You can have kids and be idle.
Correct.
And just doing what you want.
And then they go from house tohouse because you got time on
your hands.
You know, I don't have a husbandanymore, I don't have the
responsibility of the kids.
I, you know, they're off atpublic school, so you're just

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kind of home by yourself, right?

SPEAKER_09 (57:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 (57:59):
So then you just kind of get idle, you get a
hobby, you start doing thesethings.
There's so many needs in JesusChrist and so few workers.
Again, I realize being a motheris picking up your cross.
Scripture's very clear on that,and most people have put it
down.
Not only do they become idlers,but also gossips and busy

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bodies.
Yep, you start filling yourtime.
What do you think tweeting isand uh messaging and all this,
right?
Correct.
Saying things that ought not tobe said.
Megan Kelly ought to be doingsomething else.
Which would be what?
Raising her kids busy at home.
And none of this, well, I havemy studio in my home, and then I
have my babysitters or myhusband watching the kids.

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That's not what scripture issaying.
We don't need more talk, wedon't need more conspiracy
theories.
We need a generation of womenbusy at home, learning from
experience, raising godlychildren, and older widows
teaching the younger widows howto love their husbands and raise
their kids.
The whole focus of all women,whether older widows, younger

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widows, or whatever, is tomanage the house, to raise
children for the Lord.
Correct?

SPEAKER_11 (59:16):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (59:16):
So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have
children, to manage their homesand to give the enemy no
opportunity for slander, youknow, like a revival bikini.
Look at verse 15.
He says, Some in fact, this is afact.

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Everything that we just lookedat, if a woman is not living,
the church is not emphasizing,turning point USA is not
demanding, and all these peopleare stating this in very clear
terms of the gospel, some havein.
Fact, already turned away tofollow Satan.

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Man, he's not mincing wordsthere.
No, we didn't read 14 though.
We didn't?
No.
Oh we did not, and I have ithighlighted in my notes, Jacob.
So you get to read it.
Go for it.

SPEAKER_10 (01:00:19):
First Timothy four five, fourteen.
So I counsel younger widows tomarry, to have children, to
manage their homes, and to givethe enemy no opportunity for
slander.

SPEAKER_12 (01:00:32):
So I counsel younger widows to marry.
You came to me, I'd go, you needto go get married.
To have children.
Yeah, I know.
You got several now, but it'sthere.
To manage their homes, notmanage turning point USA, not be
a CEO of a political movement,and to give the enemy no

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opportunity for slander.
That's the council.
Then, of course, as you pointedout, some in fact have already
turned away to follow what?
Satan.
It's very clear what all thesethings are about.
Alright, let's read and play thenext verse.
We're gonna go to 1 Timothychapter 2, verse 9.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:19):
The song America the Beautiful begins with honest

words like this (01:01:24):
Oh beautiful, for spacious skies, for amber
waves of green, for purplemountain majesties above the
fruited plain.
America.
America.
Well, consider the God whocreated the heavens with
sparkling lights, the God whocreated the vast array of

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beautiful birds, the God whocreated the soft colors of the
rainbow, has his idea of abeautiful woman.
Does Erica Kirk reflect theholiness of the living God?
1 Peter 3:3.
A woman's beauty should not comefrom outward adornment, such as
braided hair and the wearing ofgold jewelry and fine clothes.

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Now consider what must be on theinside of Turning Point USA.
The Consider Podcast.
Examining today's wisdom, follyand madness.info.

SPEAKER_12 (01:02:35):
Jacob, do you know who Tammy Faye Baker is?
Um vaguely.
Man, she looks a lot like TammyFaye Baker.
Minus the tears and the thecrying, because Tammy Faye was
could cry on command and themascara would run and so on and
so forth.
Anyway, does the dress lookremotely anything, anything like

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what scripture has in mind?
Yeah.
First Timothy 2 9, I also wantwomen to dress modestly.
What a shock that has to bewritten down, people.
With decency and propriety, youhave to pick and choose what's
proper, not with braided hair orgold or pearls or expensive

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clothes.
What do you think?
Did it look like she got thoseclothes at goodwill?
No, it did not.
Again, we're back to in verse10, 1 Timothy 2 10, but with
good deeds appropriate for womenwho profess to worship God.
First Timothy 2 11.
A woman should learn inquietness and full submission.

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Do I how do I need to explainthat?

SPEAKER_10 (01:03:51):
Uh it seems pretty self-explanatory.
It seems pretty clear.

SPEAKER_12 (01:03:56):
It does.
I mean, the people that don'tobey it spend their time talking
about how it doesn't apply.
Correct.
A woman should learn inquietness and full submission.
She's in a submittation.
First Timothy 2 12.
I do not permit a woman to teachor to have authority over a man.
She must be silent.
I don't hear turning pointsaying that.

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No.
Now there's a very good reasonfor this.
And this is not beating up onwomen.
This is not like blaming womenfor the fall in the garden.
In fact, both fell in the Gardenof Eden, as far as I read the
story, and as I experiencedealing with my own sins in my
own life, it's not like I runaround going, I'm superior to

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women.
No, the reality is we each, ifwe're a man, we have certain
things that must be crucified inChrist, certain sins that must
go.
A woman must do certain thingsto allow the Holy Spirit to
work, to save her, to sanctifyher.
We're both in the same boat, soto speak, in the same position,
but we have to admit the truthin order to deal with the

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reality.
In other words, I'm an olderman.
So if I went down to the Marinesand said, Yeah, I'd like to join
today, and they said, Well, no,because you're such and such
age, you can't even do that manypush-ups, you're of no use to
us.
Would I blame them for pointingout all my weaknesses?
No.
No.
In fact, I at the end of theday, if they said, Well, sure,

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come on in, start marching, I'dprobably thank them for kicking
me out, don't you think?

SPEAKER_11 (01:05:30):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (01:05:31):
There's a reason why women are not to be in
leadership, a CEO, busy at home.
There's reasons for that.
1 Timothy 2.13, it's kind ofobvious.
For Adam was formed first.
That's not a cultural thing,that's a creation thing.
Then Eve.
Reason number one, why a womanshould be busy at home, why a

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woman should not teach or haveauthority over a man, why she
must be silent.
The first reason is because God,the living God, created Adam
first and then Eve.
Again, kind of clear.
Is anything I need to add tothat, Jacob?
No.
Now see again, 1 Timothy 2.11.
Let me back up.

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A woman should learn inquietness.
Notice the key word fullsubmission.
There is a submission that's notfull, meaning, oh yeah, I'm
quiet in church, but at home,I'm telling my husband what I
think.

SPEAKER_11 (01:06:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 (01:06:26):
That's my domain.
That belongs to me.
It's not full submission.
Please.
Yes, I saw it, my wife, heradvice and her viewpoint and
things, but there was anattitude of full submission.
And if I don't ask for it, Idon't want it, or if I reject
it, and so on and so forth.
Nobody's going to imagine thelove that was behind that

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because this is massivelyoffensive.
Massively offensive.
So you people can't see the lovein it.
That's the reason thatprosecutors, Simmons and
Satisberg and all these peoplecouldn't see the love behind
Christianity and the gentlenessthat was there at Sound Doctrine
Church was because all theycould do is see the offense and

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they hated the offense of thecross.
All of this is done in love.
All of this is done ingentleness.
That's what God is working.
All of I don't have time to gointo it.
I'm just telling you, Jacob,what was there not a just an
overflowing of love and theseeking of the Holy Spirit and
the gentleness of God and allthese things?
Yes.
Let's leave it at that.

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First Timothy chapter 2, verse14 gives us another reason,
Jacob.
Go ahead and you get to readthat one.

SPEAKER_10 (01:07:38):
And Adam was not the one deceived.
It was the woman who wasdeceived and became a sinner.

SPEAKER_12 (01:07:46):
Now Adam's sin was he just stood there because
Scripture says Adam was therewatching the whole thing, and he
let this transpire.
This actually explains why menlike to watch women sin.
And I'll leave it at that fornow.
Adam was not the one deceived.
He wasn't deceived about whatwas going on, but he was enticed

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by what was going on.
Am I kind of clear there?

SPEAKER_09 (01:08:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_12 (01:08:13):
All right.
But the woman who was dis whowas deceived and became a
sinner.
This is why when you're datingand you tell a woman lovely
things, she believes it, right?
Correct.
I mean, I I never was involvedin that kind of dating
situation, but it's like I'mamazed at how much the the guy's

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using the same line on a bunchof women, and then eventually
women complain and whine abouther, some do anyway.
But why they believe thesethings and why they're deceived
up front is goes back to theGarden of Eden.
They really believe thesethings.
I mean, I look at these womenthat supposedly went off with
these groups or you know, allthe stuff that's in the news,

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and like they didn't know wherethey were going.
They thought they were going toprayer meetings and so on and so
forth.
The woman was deceived andbecame a sinner.
You know, you've heard thesaying that behind every good
man there's a good woman, right?
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_09 (01:09:08):
Yep.

SPEAKER_12 (01:09:09):
Well, it's actually the other way around.
Behind every good woman is arighteous man.

SPEAKER_09 (01:09:15):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_12 (01:09:16):
Because a man is there to keep her from being
taken in by the deception.
Why why do you think in Proverbsit talks about that if a man
catches a woman, his wife, withanother man, who does he go
after, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (01:09:32):
Uh he goes after the other man.

SPEAKER_12 (01:09:34):
The other man.
And why is that?
Because intrinsically, we knowthat the woman was just taken
in.
Now I'm not telling you some menaren't taken in, but but they're
not deceived about it.
If a woman's coming on to him,he's not deceived about what's
taking place.
Whereas a woman, you can playwith the emotions, you can reel
her in kind of thing.

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She can be deceived with all ofthat kind of talk.
And you go, why?
What's going on here?
It's because of the fall in theGarden of Eden.
That's another reason why Paulis saying younger widows need to
marry.
First Timothy 2, 15.
But women will be saved throughwhat, Jacob?

(01:10:17):
Childbearing.
When they talk about thesalvation of Jesus Christ and
revival breaking out, right?
Do they ever tell the women,hey, by the way, you can ask
Jesus in your heart, you can hopand skip, you can do whatever it
is we're doing, you can signthis, you can say the believer's

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prayer.
Do they ever say, but hey, as awoman, you will be saved?
Now think about what he'ssaying.
Saved through childbearing.

SPEAKER_10 (01:10:48):
No, they never talk about that.

SPEAKER_12 (01:10:50):
Wow.
Do you in in the Bible covers?
Do you ever see it listed likeask Jesus in your heart?
And you know I'm saying things Idon't mean, like get water
baptized, get the full message,and then note at the bottom,
women, you'll be saved throughchildbearing.
No.
But women will be saved throughchildbearing if they continue.

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See, there's an if even to that.
It's amazing what God has put onwomen.
But I that sounds negative.
When it's not, it is a salvationexperience to lay down your life
for your children and yourhusband.

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Did not Jesus willingly obey theFather out of love and lay down
his life for us?
These women who obey this by thepower of the Spirit are sharing
in the love of Jesus Christ.
The love of the Father, right?
Correct.
Saved through childbearing.
And not just childbearing.
It's not like the CatholicChurch where you just have a

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bunch of children.
It's as if they continue infaith, love, and holiness with
propriety.
Are we getting the idea here ofa very humble, well-dressed, and
by well-dressed, I meanconservative, rich in faith,
trusting God with her husbandand her family, in love that
flows from the Holy Spirit, thatonly is a result of the fact

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that she's hating her children,hating her father and her mother
and so on and so forth, andletting hating her own life and
letting the love of Jesus Christflow to her children, flow to
her husband.
She's broken of self.
She's breaking the jar at Jesus'feet.
She's worshiping a holy God byloving her family and being busy
at home.

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And then you add on to thatholiness with propriety.
I mean, how how many things arebeing spoken about this and
shown by Erica Kirk?

SPEAKER_10 (01:12:49):
None of these things.

SPEAKER_12 (01:12:51):
None.
In fact, the opposite, it'srevival bikini time.
Not man, that's just blaspheme.

SPEAKER_10 (01:12:59):
Just there's a lot of groups that will dismiss this
and they'll say, no, she iscontinuing in faith, right?
She's carrying on the husband'sministry.
I'm just saying, you know,there's plenty of people that
will say, Oh, but this is trueof her when it's actually not.

SPEAKER_12 (01:13:18):
Exactly.
It's the same sin as Saul whenhe was confronted by the prophet
and said to obey is better thansacrifice.

SPEAKER_11 (01:13:27):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (01:13:27):
So you don't go around going, Well, I serve this
ministry, I'm honoring myhusband, I'm carrying on his
faith.
Disobeying God's word is not anhonor.

SPEAKER_11 (01:13:36):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (01:13:38):
Now, somebody might also say, Well, my wife can't
have children, and so on and soforth.
Look, every woman should beinvolved in helping to raise and
bring up godly children.
Think of all the Christianwomen, and I'm by that I mean
disciples of Jesus, were totallyunited, working together, not
just homeschooling, but just inthis kind of spirit, and then

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the government comes along totouch on that, there'd be that
then would be a holy uprising.
We're getting close to gettingout of time here, really, Jacob.
Let's finish up with Megan Kellyand Tucker Carlson, obviously
Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk, allthese people, turning points.
Everybody says they believe inGod.

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So go ahead and play that clip,Jacob, and then we'll just talk
about this a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:28):
You knew him well.
You talked to him all the time.
It's just trying to understandthe void that's been left by
this senseless murder.
It feels impossible.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:37):
I I agree with that, and I but I do think it makes a
kind of sense.
I mean, above all, Charlierepresented belief in God, and
that is the divide.
I'm sorry to say, I mean,there's an effort to recast this
as a different kind of contestbetween worldviews.
It's no, the dividing line is doyou think God exists or do you
think you are God?
And it's that simple.
It has always been that simple.

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It will never change.
And I think our souls are atstake.
I really, really believe that.
I think Jesus is the onlyanswer.
Sorry.

SPEAKER_12 (01:15:03):
That is so the whole emphasis there is on believing
in God, correct?
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_10 (01:15:09):
Jesus.
You gotta believe in Jesus.

SPEAKER_12 (01:15:11):
Yeah.
Again, and we're defining whatbelief would be, which is
actually following the HolySpirit into obedience, correct?
Correct.
Um, well, demons believe in God,they just don't obey.
So that would be a commondenominator, would it not?
Yes.
Go to James chapter 2, verse 19,just for make sure people really

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know what we're talking about,and then we'll come back to our
main scripture here in just amoment.
James chapter 2, verse 19.
And he's being sarcastic here.
James chapter 2, verse 19, youbelieve there is one God.
Good.
Even the deleman butchered that.
Cut that out, Jacob.
James chapter 2, verse 19 says,You believe there is one God.

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Good.
Even the demons believe that andshudder.
Tucker Carlson and Megan Kellyneed to shudder.
That's why verse 20 goes on tosay in James, you foolish man or
woman, do you want evidence thatfaith without deeds is useless?

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Did you catch the word uselessthere?
All right.
So I know they claim they obey,and that's why we're pointing
out what scripture says.
If you claim the name, thenlet's go down and look at
scripture by the power of God tosee if it matches up with the
gospel of Jesus Christ.
Doesn't that seem reasonable?

SPEAKER_10 (01:16:41):
Yes, it does.

SPEAKER_12 (01:16:42):
Well, let me give you an example.
Go to Acts chapter 16, verse 16,and this is what people need to
watch out for that a demonicspirit can tell you the way to
be saved.
Acts chapter 16, verse 16.
Go ahead, Jacob, and read verse16 there.

SPEAKER_10 (01:17:01):
Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we
were met by a slave girl who hada spirit by which she predicted
the future.
She earned a great deal of moneyfor her owners by fortune
telling.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:14):
Okay, let's kind of break this down just a little
bit.
Where are they going to, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (01:17:19):
A place of prayer.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:20):
So you would think, like, we're going to a place of
prayer, and since we're theaverage schmo Christian, we
think we're in a place ofsafety, correct?

SPEAKER_11 (01:17:28):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:29):
We're a church, we're praying, we're seeking
God, I'm protected, I'm abeliever, sound doctrine, or
that considered podcast asnonsense, right?

SPEAKER_09 (01:17:39):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_12 (01:17:39):
So they meet a slave girl who had a spirit, clearly
an unclean spirit.
Yes.
A spirit by which she predictedthe future.
So she has all kinds of wisdomand she could point to stuff and
she could go over here.
Now, in this case, it waspredicting the future.
There are other spirits likethey know things about other
people and they give, you know,the preacher, the pastor, or the

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member, or the church memberwhatever wisdom about their
life, right?

SPEAKER_09 (01:18:04):
Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_12 (01:18:04):
She earned a great deal of money for her owners by
fortune telling.
Now, you tell me, Jacob, is uhTucker Carlson earning a great
deal of money?
Sure is.
What do you think about MeganKelly?

SPEAKER_10 (01:18:17):
Yes.
She signed a massive deal withSirius XM.

SPEAKER_12 (01:18:21):
Well, how much is she getting?
Do you know?
You're up on the mic?

SPEAKER_10 (01:18:23):
I don't, I just know it's in the it's millions.
I don't know.
I i it may only be like, oh,four million.
It may be low millions, but I'mpretty sure it's millions.

SPEAKER_12 (01:18:31):
How come they're not offering me like two million to
I could do it?

SPEAKER_10 (01:18:36):
Well, there's a lot of reasons.

SPEAKER_12 (01:18:38):
Really?
Okay.
So I got myself sidet.
She earned a great deal of moneyfor her owners by fortune
telling.
So just tack in, like, you know,talking conspiracy theories or
doing this over here.
Uh has Jordan Peterson made alot of money?
Oh, oh, yeah, a lot.
And we won't even be able to getto him today.

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We're gonna have to kind of wrapthis up.
The point is there that thespirit is saying you can be
saved by what they're preaching.
Acts chapter 16, verse 17.
This girl followed Paul.
So it would look like, well, I'mfollowing Paul.
I'm seeking to follow God.
I'm interested in these guys.
Right?
Well, from outward appearance,like, okay, you know, I'm

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following Paul, I'm followingscripture, I'm listening to
these sermons, and the rest ofus, like, oh, you guys are
really at it, you're doing good,right?
Shouting, these men are servantsof the most high God.
Like the flattery touch.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Now, now, wouldn't you can youimagine you walk into Turning
Point and I go, Charlie Kirk,he's a servant, or he was a

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servant of the most high God.
Would I be rejected?
Oh no, they would like that.
Would anybody test me to go, oh,by what spirit are you saying
that?
And where's that coming from?
No.
Not only that, the spirit alsosaid these men are servants of
the most high God who aretelling you the way to be saved.
Is that all true?

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That is true.
It's all true.
Let everybody let that sink in.
It's all true, but it's not ofthe living holy God.
It's not of Jesus Christ.
And yet it's an affirmation,it's a recommendation, it's an
agreement.
I would venture to say 99.9% ofso-called Christians would fully

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embrace this woman, take herinto church, she'd probably be
in charge.
She might even be preaching forall I know.
These men are servants of themost high God who are telling
you the way to be saved.
Okay, verse 18.
She kept this up for many days.
Now you've heard this sermonbefore, Jacob.
I don't know whether youremember or not.
Why did Paul allow her to dothis for many days?

SPEAKER_10 (01:20:56):
Um I don't actually have the answer.

SPEAKER_12 (01:20:59):
Well, and we won't have time to look at it today,
but once he rebukes the spiritand the spirit is kicked out,
and these folks cannot make anymoney from it, they attack Paul.
He goes to prison.
He has all he knew theconsequences of what would
happen.

SPEAKER_11 (01:21:14):
Correct.

SPEAKER_12 (01:21:14):
It's kind of like if I were invited to speak at
Turning Point USA somewhere,right?
And I know that when I go thereand I begin to preach the word,
what is going to happen?

SPEAKER_10 (01:21:26):
Persecution.

SPEAKER_12 (01:21:27):
Persecution, run out, turned away, whatever.
So let's say I'm invited, I gothere, and I'm first talking
with people and I'm sharing thegospel because I know that once
I get on the stage and I beginto preach, that's it.
Correct.
It's over with.
So he's trying to make the mostof the situation to preach the

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gospel.
Finally, it says Paul became sotroubled that he turned around
and said to the Spirit, In thename of Jesus Christ, I command
you to come out of her.
And at that moment the Spiritleft her.
What can I say?
We have to have true faith inJesus Christ.

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Quit paying attention to everyspirit that says, This is the
way to be saved.
And these people are ser youknow, and it's true, Paul was a
servant of the Most High God.
It goes on, we're we're reallyout of time.
Anything you want to want totalk about, Jacob?

SPEAKER_10 (01:22:31):
No, other than yeah, the the clear warning.
Because nowadays, as soon assomebody says, Well, I believe
in Jesus, oh, they're like a abrother in Christ, a sister in
Christ, right?
You should accept them into thefold.

SPEAKER_12 (01:22:44):
There's no thought of application like, well, in
fact, just kind of today,somebody told me that somebody's
gonna get baptized, right?
And I said, Well, now the workbegins.
They've sat down and count thecosts, they've done these
things.
This is not a self-promotion.
They read Even Demons Believe.
I have not talked to them.
This is stuff they're doing ontheir own, but now the work

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actually does begin.
Will the person be obedient?
Will they allow God to actuallydo that?
This is a big if, but they've atleast counted the cost and
moving forward.
Go ahead and play Even DemonsBelieve, and we probably should
call that a wrap for today,Jacob.

SPEAKER_06 (01:23:30):
JF, who lives in Brazil, said of the book, Even
the Demons Believe.
I would like to tell you thatI'm doing chapter seven right
now.
It's the second time I have readthe book, Even the Demons
Believe.
And I think it's an impactingbook.
Literally impacting.
Let us say the first time youread it, you get shocked,

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outraged, and maybe sort of madat the author.
However, a second reading makesyou go deep into your own
spiritual life and churchexperiences.
I presume it has gotten peopleexactly where Pastor Williams
wanted them to be.
Cornered and faced off by theirown attitude towards the
Almighty.

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If you are interested in thefull and complete gospel message
before becoming a disciple ofJesus, then the book Even the
Demons Believe might provehelpful.
As the angel told the ApostlePeter in Acts 5 20, go stand in
the temple courts, he said, andtell the people the full message

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of this new life.
The book Even the Demons Believewill also guide those claiming
the name Christian to testthemselves.
As the Apostle Paul wrote in 2Corinthians 13 5, examine
yourselves to see whether youare in the faith.
Test yourselves.
Do you not realize that ChristJesus is in you?

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Unless, of course, you fail thetest.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:58):
Nothing on the Consider Podcast should be
considered legal or life advice.
Each is admonished to seek aholy God and obey by picking up
a cross to follow Jesus.
The Consider Podcast.