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SPEAKER_08 (00:06):
Thank you for choosing us for your airline
this Christmas day.
It's Spiritual Airlines.
We hope you're enjoying yourflight.
Your pilot is currently cruisingat 35,000 feet for your comfort.
However, we kindly ask you toreturn your seats, fasten your
seatbelts, stow your trays, andhand your drinks to the

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stewards, as we're encounteringsignificant headwinds while
entering Washington State.
For your contemplation, we willbe discussing the idol labeled
Timothy Williams, AmericanChristians, a Christmas rap
song, rainbow flags andcurtains, family members who are
enemies, and Poor BoxPersecution.

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All of this and more on theConsider Podcast in December,
2025.

SPEAKER_02 (00:56):
Welcome to the Consider Podcast, where we
examine today's wisdom, folly,and madness.
More information can be found atwww.consider.info.
Now, here are your hosts,Timothy and Jacob.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16):
How's it going, Jacob, on this rainy river of
rain that uh Washington isexperiencing?
It's going good.
You know, one time I opened mymouth and then I realized it was
wrong.
You know how you ever do that?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I did that one time.
But anyway, you say something,then you you kind of go, well,

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why now why'd I say that?
It's completely wrong, or youyou kind of laugh at yourself,
or really what you should do isjust defend yourself and say no,
it's right no matter what, andbreak relationships,
friendships, and that's right.
Oh, really?
That's what you should do isalways hold on to your pride.
Yeah, you gotta keep thatself-esteem intact even as you
are dumb and stupid.

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Anyway, got a question for you.
Okay.
How difficult would it be tomake for you to make me your
idol?

SPEAKER_04 (02:06):
How difficult would I mean for for me, as in you?
Or you're talking me.

SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
You know who you are.

SPEAKER_04 (02:12):
You're Jacob.
Yeah, Jacob.
And you know who I am asTimothy.
So to make Timothy my idol.
How difficult would that be?
Uh it's not difficult to makeanything an idol.

SPEAKER_03 (02:22):
You're being way too philosophical.
Okay, you know me as a person,right?
So an idol is something youfashion, you like, you get
something from it.
People don't fashion idols forthings that they don't like.
Oh, yeah, correct.
All right, so based on myself,my character, personality.

SPEAKER_04 (02:41):
So would you put up with this?
No, you would not put up withyourself being fashioned into an
idol for me.

SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
Ah man, you you've been well too versed in
scripture, because that's whereI'm headed.
Okay.
I was talking with somebody theother day, and they made the
comment and said, Yeah, youknow, it's my idolatry of you, I
guess I gotta deal with.
So something along those lines,right?
And then we both burst outlaughing at each other like, oh,
that was the dumbest statement.
I go, Yeah, go ahead.

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Make me your idol.
That'll last about three secondstill I say something you hate my
guts for.
Yeah.
You know, because of the truth.
Exactly.
So you are absolutely correct.
It it I'm not.
Well, if I was wanting idolworship, I'm a complete failure
on that level, completely.
Play the clip, and it's exactlywhat you said.

SPEAKER_08 (03:31):
Timothy Williams.
A possible idol in your life?
Timothy Williams as your futureguru?
Timothy Williams as in the trapof following as a man?
Hey, go for it.
Give it a try.
See if you can walk into thosetraps.
Go ahead.
See how long that worked foryou.

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You deserve your comingpunishment.
2 Corinthians 10, 5 and 6.
We demolished arguments andevery pretension that sets
itself up against the knowledgeof God.
And we will be ready to punishevery act of disobedience once
your obedience is complete.
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SPEAKER_03 (04:27):
It's kind of ironic over the years when people fall
away or decide the cross gets,you know, a little bit too rough
for them and God gets verypersonal in their lives saying,
Yeah, I want to deal with this.
They always they kind of leavesaying, Oh, I didn't want to
follow a man, or he wants to befollowed.
And they make this accusationthat somehow I would tolerate,

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like, put in place this idolatryand just form this, I don't
know, congregation, this lovefest toward me.
It's it's I'm only mentioning itjust to kind of move forward
into this stuff.
That's insane.
First of all, I would rebuke it,I would demolish it, I would
destroy it, and I have.
This is not like I'm saying Ihave.
I have done this in the pastwith people.

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The truth is, most people want aman to lead them in an idolatry
kind of way.
Sure.
Uh they but they want somebodythey can mold and fashion, and
he preaches the right words andsays the right things.
Even that can even be, well,let's let's have just enough of
the message of the cross, butnot enough that it actually
crucifies me or have to live it.
So there's a whole gamma, butpeople are choosing pastors and

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teachers, and a lot of times thepeople are dead because then you
can just tolerate them on yourown terms as you read their
materials or listen to sermonsand that kind of thing.
Any comment on that?
I I just thought that ought tobe clarified that A, if I'm
after a type of worship wherepeople lialize me, I've
completely failed.

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And go ahead, try, try to dothat, and you see what happens,
how I will respond to somethinglike that.
I know, that's clear.
Okay, I found on the web, youknow, there's I don't know how
many billions of differentvideos out there.
I found the average AmericanChristian.

SPEAKER_04 (06:11):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (06:12):
This is an American Christian, and um, this is what
they look like and who they areand how they behave.
This is how they pray.
You know, everybody messes uptheir life.
They they've done stupid stuff,and and that can be anywhere
from I don't know, I was a badfather to, you know, I did meth
or whatever.
Just do your gamma of everybodywants those things they want to

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clean up, right?
Yeah.
I found the average Christianthat sits in the church or comes
to the gospel or whatever thegospel is of that church, or the
most pathetic one is in theBibles that'll say how to be
saved or how to read your Bible.
It's like, and they're allworthless.
So anyway, go ahead and playthis.
This is the average Christian.

SPEAKER_05 (06:59):
Okay, but I don't care.
It's gonna work.

SPEAKER_06 (07:03):
No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (08:06):
What do you think, Jacob?
Pretty funny.
It is.
She goes through the the wholegamma what you see first, just
like it's hopeless, I'm dying.

SPEAKER_04 (08:13):
You know.
First she's scared.
She's just scared, yes.
Oh no, oh no, it's not working.
How am I gonna look toeverybody?

SPEAKER_03 (08:20):
How am I gonna look?
Why'd I do this?
I really messed up.
And then then, of course, sheresorts to prayer.
Yes.
So she gets the prayer in there.

SPEAKER_04 (08:28):
Well, was it praying or she well, she was just
hoping.
I mean, I didn't hear like uh uhLord Jesus help, but she's got
her hands folded.

SPEAKER_03 (08:35):
Well, she started praying, you know.
Okay.
Now, again, you bring up a goodpoint.
I'm saying this is the averageChristian.
You don't necessarily have toinvoke Jesus and the whole
thing.
Sure.
But she's praying to God, like,and then she goes, Why is this
happening?
Yeah, you know, now you'reblaming God.
Now you're asking the question.
And by the way, this is nothingagainst this little girl.
She's a little girl.
This is this is fully what Iwould expect.

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In fact, I would have had a hardtime just laughing at the whole,
you know, if I was in thebathroom watching mom clean this
up.
Yeah, it's a hilarious video.
It is hilarious.
Uh go to Hebrews chapter 5,verse 12, because that's the
average Christian.
Yeah, I come along withscripture and say, Yeah, you
gotta hate and despise money.
Well, they do, they throw a fit,they cry, they won't listen.

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And all they're really concernedabout is a little bit of stain
or black on their face orwhatever it is they want cleaned
up.
They're essentially throwingdoubtless fits, and then they
never go beyond once they'recleaned up.
Like her joy was like, oh, andshe's laughing and giggling.
I wish I could, you know, havethat kind of reaction.
And people go up to this point,but now doesn't she have

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generations to grow up now?

SPEAKER_04 (09:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (09:41):
So we shouldn't see this behavior when she's 18,
although you might because she'sa girl growing up or 25, let's
say, right?
You should see a maturityprocess.
Yes.
Certainly in terms of scripture,certainly in terms of a
relationship with God, yourprayers become more
sophisticated.
Now we all start here.
I mean, when somebody very fewpeople actually are baptized

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that are mature at that point.
In fact, they might know thescriptures, they might have had
a deep tradition of growing upin the church, but God will have
to tear that all down, and soyou wind up becoming a child all
over again.
That's what scripture says,right?
Um but we're talking to AmericanChristians here, and I'm
including myself in this.
We're we're so pampered, yeah,so babied that if there's even

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any discussion about doctrine orwhatever, we quote one or two
little scriptures here, or wejust remain at this infantile
level and think that I don'tknow.
There was a video the other dayof a football team praying on
the the field, you know, thefootball field, and the guys
commenting saying, Oh, this isamazing, we're cleaning up

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football.
I mean, it's that's infantiletalk.
Yeah.
Uh or the one that especially iswhere America's gonna be great
again, it's gonna be a Christianuh nation again.
That's all childish, foolishbehavior.
Yeah, and you can't even well,you you're raising kids.
You know, if you try to bring upa topic, what what's kind of one

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reaction you get right up front?
If you try to tell a kid not todo something?
Not necessarily.
It can be anything the childdoesn't know.
I mean, they kind of ask why.

SPEAKER_04 (11:22):
Every kid wants to know why if it's something they
don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (11:24):
Correct.
And it varies from child tochild, or a lot of times if I
talk with somebody like that anda child asks me, they'll just
get quiet.
Sure.
You know, just kind of getintimidated and just shut up.
Well, isn't that most AmericanChristians?
Yes.
Again, for all the things thatwe went through that they're
horrendous.
At the end of the day, I'm anAmerican Christian.

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Sure.
Yeah.
There are people in serioussuffering.
I get into heaven, I'm not evengonna really mention it.
God will have it in mind becausehe's a god of justice.
But you know, I'm not gonna runinto heaven going, hey, I was
run out of the city of EnumClaw.
I mean, it was horrendous, don'tget me wrong.
Sure.
But uh okay, how many times wasPaul ran out of town?

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He was beaten and so on.
Hebrews 5, 12.
I've done a lot of talking.
Jacob, go ahead and just forwe're gonna have to kind of move
forward, read 12 through 14.

SPEAKER_04 (12:15):
In fact, though by this time you ought to be
teachers, you need someone toteach you the elementary truths
of God's word all over again.
You need milk, not solid food.
Anyone who lives on milk, beingstill an infant, is not
acquainted with the teachingabout righteousness.
But solid food is for the maturewho by constant use have trained

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themselves to distinguish goodfrom evil.

SPEAKER_03 (12:41):
We've covered this before, but one of the reasons
there's so much sin in thechurch, and especially among
those who claim to be inleadership, or even those that
are just preaching on campus orwhatever, it's just all milk
toast arguments, uh, is becausethey're just infants.
They they the church does thechurch even have the basics of
how you come to Jesus andsitting down and counting the

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cost down?
They don't even have a solidfoundation, right?
Correct.
I mean, would you go build uhbuy a builder who only builds a
halfway foundation or just alittle bit of a foundation or a
looking good foundation?
No.
No, you want an expert builder,you want to be sure that
foundation is solid.
Even among those who say, well,we baptize or whatever, there

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what where's the rest of theliving word of God surrounding
that event?
Usually it's a matter of you'rejust trying to bring somebody to
as a member of the church ratherthan them really becoming a
disciple.
In fact, again, there wassomebody else, can't think of
his name, popular podcaster, andit's announced that he's reading
the Bible once a week.

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Man, that's that's infantiletalk.
In the first place, becoming adisciple of Jesus is the most
important thing you can do.
I mean, it has serious,obviously eternal consequences
to it, one way or another,right?
Yeah.
And Jesus is emphatic that weshould sit down and count the

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cost.
We should think about it.
Or the man that finds thetreasure in the field, what is
he told to do?
He or what does he do?
He buries it so that nobodyknows about it, then he goes and
sells everything he has, thengoes and gets the treasure.
So by announcing, like, well,Joe Rogan's studying the Bible,
or this other guy is studyingthe Bible, or they're all
looking at this, or they mightbecome Christians.

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You've opened this up to a wholeworld of speculation and noise,
and then you get moved along bythe crowd, and then you get 15
other different positions about,well, this is what this
scripture means and that means,and then by the time the person
actually becomes a Christian orstates that they want to do
that, they're so motivated bythe people and the noise around

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them, they can't taste the pureword of God as Peter talks
about.
Any amen on that one, Jacob?
Amen.
The important thing is in verse14, but solid food is for the
mature who by constant use havetrained themselves to
distinguish good from evil.
I think it's easy to tell frommy life.
Uh it's been a constant use ofthe living word of God, right?

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Correct.
And the sword that is the HolySpirit's sword, which is the
word of God, so that I'm able todistinguish between good from
evil.
Most people can't.
Yeah.
Alright.
Well, this is Christmas time.
Yes, it is.
And is technically this issupposed to be our Christmas
show.
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (15:35):
I didn't I didn't quite know this was like the
official.

SPEAKER_03 (15:38):
Well, yeah, that's my upbeat introduction.
That's my happy holiday.
Let's all be happy.
Yeah.
Um, so I had a rap song written.
Okay.
You know, our rap song guy.
Yeah.
Um, and again, I, you know, Ithrow out some scriptures and
ideas, but by no means am Iputting together the lyrics, the
beats, and he does a great job.

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Now, I'm I must note here, goahead and play this note, that
the stuff that we're looking at,if you're on certain social
media platforms, they may nixthis because it's a song and it
competes with what they'retrying to promote.
So I encourage you to come bythe website.
We'll first play the note andthen we'll get into and play the
rap.

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SPEAKER_03 (17:03):
Thoughts, Jacob?
It's pretty good.
Pretty good.
See, clearly he's not in theUnited States because he says
whatever the West brings about.
So when we talk about trees andSanta and a lot of that kind of
stuff, not every country goesalong with that.
Correct.
I know King County prosecutorswill be upset because they want
and demand everybody worshiptheir way, which obviously

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involves Santa Claus, familyfun, food, and fat.
Correct?

SPEAKER_04 (17:31):
Correct.

SPEAKER_03 (17:32):
Now there, you know, there's a lot of debate out
there, and debate's a strongword.
That means you actually make aposition and then we debate it
back.
That's kind of what part ofsometimes when we fellowship,
you and I recognize, well, we'redebating this, so we we go at it
and sharpen, and I don't know.
Sometimes we walk away going,well, we're both wrong, partly
right, or we don't really know.
And a lot of it is, well, wedon't really care at the end of

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the day because all that mattersis the word of God.
Correct.
In 2 Corinthians chapter 7,verse 1, it really tells us that
there is no debate aboutChristmas.
In other words, if somebodywants to say that Jesus was born
on December 25th, okay, fine.
That that's your choice.
Romans tells us that one manconsiders one day special,

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another man doesn't.
For me, every day is pretty muchthe same.
Other people have all of theirsupposed to be holy days.
That was the original meaning ofholiday.
But the main point here is thatit's not a question of whether
you choose December 25th, it'show you do December 25th.
It's the impurity that'sassociated with Christmas that

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is wrong.
So let's forget this whole kindof dumb debate.
It's really a childish debate.
You know, the tree points towardheaven and the star points here.
We're going to hear her see in amoment.
They've left a few things out.
And of course, the presentsunder the tree.
I'm not even sure where they gowith that because you're
supposed to bring presents toJesus, not to each other, right?

SPEAKER_04 (19:04):
I think a lot of Christians nowadays are not a
lot of them, I don't think, areeven pushing the like Christmas
is this super holy thing.
They just say it's like the timeof remembrance, and then
obviously uh, you know,everybody worships family and
the idolatry of family, andthat's all then Christmas is.
You know, and it's right on theheels of Thanksgiving.

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I mean, Thanksgiving is just anexcuse to uh everyone gets
together and has a good time andeats turkey.
Uh Christmas is just the excusethat everybody gets together and
does presents and does whatever,and you know, it's just it's
just idolatry.
I I think a lot of Christiansdon't even actually really
justify it anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
That's correct.
They don't they don't evenbother anymore.
It's like they're children.
I got presents under the tree.
Yeah, I got food, I got sports,uh, we got family, we got what
we want.
In fact, we're gonna get intothat whole family thing here in
just a minute.
Second Corinthians chapterseven, verse one.
Since we have these promises,dear friends.
Friends, it says, Let us purifyourselves from everything that

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contaminates a body and spirit.
So it doesn't matter if it's,you know, how people say, Well,
God knows my heart.
Yeah.
I don't know what that means interms of Christmas when I watch
a Christmas special or sit onSanta's lap.
God knows my heart.
I again, I hear you.
People aren't justifyinganything.
But the point is, let us purifyourselves from everything that

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contaminates body and spirit.
God wants everything.
That's why we discussed tattooslast time and outward things of
how we dress and what we do.
But read that second part or thelast part there, Jacob of 7-1.
What does it say?
Perfecting holiness out ofreverence for God.
Perfecting holiness.

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That's the Christian walk.
That's the life of a disciple.
We're supposed to be, as 1 Peter1.15 says, we won't go read it
today, that we're supposed to beholy in everything we do just
because God is holy.
So it doesn't matter whetherit's Christmas or I don't know,
the Easter bunny, that's that'sprobably even worse than

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Christmas, although I don'tknow.
Um we're supposed to be separatefrom all of those things in
Jesus Christ.
So now we become separate.
Like I haven't done Christmasand well, I can't even remember.
And that was not an easywithdrawal thing.
Don't get anybody get the idea,like, oh okay, I just we had
fantastic Christmases when I wasa kid growing up.
My parents weren't Christians.

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Um I was alive back when Japanactually produced very, very
cheap toys that you could buy,but they were extremely high
quality.
So my Christmases, I'd walk outand the whole living room was
filled with presents.
So when God led me into this andwe and I said, okay, no more
trees and all that stuff, we'regoing to perfect that.

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None of this is easy.
That if it's easy, quoteunquote, you're not picking up
the cross.
There's nothing easy about thecross.
It's a crucifying process.
That's what the cross is.
So this isn't rules.
This isn't me saying, Don't do atree, don't do this, don't that.
I might say those things, butthe goal there is to get back
before God and let him crucifythe flesh that wants all these

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impure things.
Show this next little, and Idon't put much stock in this,
but it is kind of a fun factthat if you you've got Santa
Claus, right?
And if you take and move the Nto the end of the word Santa,
what do you what's it soundlike?
Satan.

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Satan's claws.
Um I want you to play this nextclip, but I don't want you to
play it.
Okay.
It's this is one uh I can'tthink of her name.
The the woman singer Perr, Iwant to say Perry or whatever.
I'll recognize her when I see itagain.
But the tune sticks in my head.

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And it'll take some Keith Greensongs to get it out of my head.
Now that doesn't enter my heart,but it enters my head.
And I find myself going, youknow, because the jingo's made
to track.

SPEAKER_04 (23:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:07):
Um by the way, I usually play Keith Green's song,
Cut the Devil Down, and thatthat pretty much takes care of
it.
Um by the way, folks, this isnot some emotional, you know,
Holy Ghost, I'm writhing in thedevil's attacking me.
I'm not gonna-that's not mypoint.
Oh, yeah.
It's just a jingle that sticksin our head.
Play, I just have a little bitof us to remind us that the

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world celebrates, and let's justseparate the Christians from
Christians for a moment, butdoesn't the world and
worldliness and commerce and funand food and toys embrace
Christmas?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
So as Christians then, would wenot condemn that?

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We should.
Well, let me ask you a question.
Okay.
Would you take a rainbow-coloredcurtain or some type of a drape
or whatever and lay it acrossthe pulpit or put it as a banner
up in the church right now?

SPEAKER_04 (24:05):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (24:05):
Why not?

SPEAKER_04 (24:07):
Um, because some churches do, you know, that's
the whole like uh lesbo flagthing, you know.
Mm-hmm.
It's impure.
Yeah, it's impure.

SPEAKER_03 (24:17):
It's defiled, correct?

SPEAKER_04 (24:18):
Correct.

SPEAKER_03 (24:19):
In fact, skip the jingle there and go down and
show that particular scripture.
I kind of have a cross with a arainbow thing on it, it has the
L G B T Q plus, if I got thatright.

SPEAKER_04 (24:32):
I think you did.

SPEAKER_03 (24:33):
And nobody's going to well, um when I say nobody, I
meant conservative churches,churches still.

SPEAKER_04 (24:40):
I think the Methodist church would embrace
this scrap.
Oh, well, absolutely.
They might use it.

SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
Oh, well, yeah, they would glorify in it.
But the point is, you and Iwouldn't think about, well,
let's go ahead and uh uh do thisrainbow thing, or would you
would a church drape it on theiroutside sign and just put this
rainbow up there and say, joinus for Christmas?
Would they do that?
No.
And why not?

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And this is repeating the samequestion and answer.
Why not?

SPEAKER_04 (25:08):
Uh because well, again, unless you believe that,
you know, or unless you want allof the LGBTQ plus people to feel
welcome in your church, I guessyou would do that.
Otherwise you would not, becauseuh uh Christians should not be
LGBTQ plus people.

SPEAKER_03 (25:28):
It's defiled.
Yes.
The rainbow colors and what theyI mean, in Seattle they they
paint a crosswalk, and now it'sa federal crime to not bow down
and respect it.
Uh never mind the Christians.
So anyway, you don't do itbecause defiled.
Well, what's the differencebetween that and Christmas?
Uh there is nothing.
Christmas is defiled with SantaClaus buying commerce.

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Even the McDonald's had an adthey just did that says this is
the most terrible season of theyear and it got pulled because
of the backlash.
I wonder who thought that wentup.
Who are these people?
Uh, they must have gone tocollege because this is just
that's really loony.
Anyway, the point is it'sdefiled.
So as Christians or anyChristian church, you'd want to

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purify up that message, correct?
Correct.
You wouldn't want the tree.
Now, the reason this isn't goingto happen, of course, because
all these unholy pastors wantmembership and everybody wants
the presence, you'd actuallylose members.
I mean, Sound Doctrine Churchnever got big to begin with.
Um, that's why I guess it was abig old threat to the state of

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Washington.
So if you don't do presents,well, actually, we'll look at it
in a moment, or you do poorboxes or whatever, you get run
out.
Because inside everybody wantsand lust for toys, presents,
food, fun.
They want the last thing theywant is denying self, correct?
Correct.
Now that I've hammered thatthere, we should do the

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opposite.
What's wrong with the church?
This is a side of the issue, andwe'll come back to the song here
in a moment.
Who does the rainbow belong tooriginally?

SPEAKER_04 (27:00):
Um it was put in the sky as a promise to never
destroy the earth again withwater.

SPEAKER_03 (27:07):
That's right.
It was God's promise to know.
So the gay lesbian Q, P T,whatever, stole it, correct?

SPEAKER_04 (27:15):
Yes.
Also, uh, and then I'm shockedyou don't see this much.
Uh Joseph had like amulticolored code.

SPEAKER_03 (27:20):
Good point.
Good point.

SPEAKER_04 (27:21):
I'm almost surprised someone hasn't come out and been
like, oh, Joseph was gay, butanyways.

SPEAKER_03 (27:26):
But yes, this was years ago when they were
pounding it through.
Now they don't even have tojustify it or not.

SPEAKER_04 (27:34):
But yeah, that's another another uh multicolored.
But yes, the rainbow is theoriginal.

SPEAKER_03 (27:39):
Okay.
So we wrestle not against fleshand blood, correct?
Now most churches and Christiansread that is we wrestle not.
Oh, sure.
As in not.

SPEAKER_04 (27:49):
As in not wrestling.

SPEAKER_03 (27:50):
Well, when you're in a wrestling match, don't you use
some of the same moves that youropponent is doing?
Um I'm not a big time wrestler,but uh yeah.
Well, I mean, there's only somany basic moves you're allowed
to use.
So that's all I'm saying.
So you're right.
I we've talked about thisbefore.
It's uh in my mind, it's an uglysport, but that's the Christian
life.
It's an ugly life.

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Yes.
It really is.
The cross is a rough, crucifyingthing.
We wrestle not against flesh andblood.
This is down dirty stuff.
Okay, here's what should happen.
This this is a proper strategy.
Pull up the there's a graphicthere, it shows Noah's Ark and a
pulpit, and you've got thesethis rainbow, it's very pretty
graphic, actually, draping thepulpit.

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You can find it there?
Yeah.
Okay, so what all the Christianchurches should do that are
opposed, especially to the gayand lesbian stuff, is start
putting this everywhere.
Make their flag meaningless.
Oh sure.
Meaning if every church has arainbow banner flag out on the
pole or whatever, then the gayand lesbian stuff starts to

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become meaningless because it'severywhere.
Yeah.
And you take back that whichthey stole.
In fact, you can put the graphickind of as we talk.
Uh my idea was there's a flagthere, has a very small little
Noah's arc in the middle of itall, and there's one on a pole.
So you get the idea.
Now tell me, is that a totallystupid idea or somewhat

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reasonable?

SPEAKER_04 (29:18):
Um well uh It will well, it'll backfire only
because by the way, if you dothis, you're gonna invite
persecution in your churchbecause all the gay and lesbos
well no, they're gonna fightback now.
They want their flag.
Oh they're not gonna give uptheir flag.

SPEAKER_03 (29:36):
Oh, yeah.
First of all, the the Christianchurch has to be united.
So the only way that wouldhappen is if somebody's figured
out how to mark make money fromthis and market it.
Sure.
Um you bring up an interestingremember I said, would you drape
it outside the church sign?
Yeah.
Sure I would.
That's who I would.
I want to attract the gay andlesbian people to church to

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preach them the gospel.
So in that sense, it becomes aholy kind of bait kind of
situation.
I was just having fun with theidea that if all of a sudden on
such and such a date all thechurches had this, you know, you
paint your parking lot rainbow,you just you paint your church
building rainbow.
Okay, you want to play thatgame, say, and we're in a
wrestling match.

(30:16):
Correct.
Guess what we're gonna do?
We're gonna go and we're gonnahave our own Christian rainbow
paint and so on and so forth.
Yeah.
All right.
So much for that almost soundsinfantile as I say it, but I
don't know.

SPEAKER_04 (30:29):
Well, it sounds fun.
Nowadays, uh you know, the itdoes sound like a uh a fun thing
to do.
Nowadays, the I believe the gayand lesbians are also like
arming themselves though.
So maybe like that's it's ajoke, but like you know what I
mean?
These people are so violent.
If you do that, they maylegitimately come and start
like, well, screaming, yelling,throwing, and potentially

(30:51):
shooting people.

SPEAKER_03 (30:51):
Oh yeah.
King County prosecutors inSeattle, Washington, when the
Christians went downtown to thepark to have uh get together, do
whatever they were doing, uh thegay and lesbians threatened to
kill them and their children.
And their children.
And the prosecutors did nothing.
They just ignored so you knoweventually somebody's actually
gonna kill because you can't notprosecute that stuff and not

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expect it to increase inbehavior.
Eventually, some gay and ofcourse they'll probably let them
off and say the Christianincited it.
Yeah.
The advantage to this is if youhad rainbow day, then
everybody's wearing rainbow.
I look, you're gonna getpersecution one way or another.
Correct.
Well, why not be over somethingworthwhile than being our pastor
fell into sin or there'ssomething stupid like that?

(31:35):
Yeah.
Okay.
I th let's play this the uh youare the reason for the season.
Okay.
I'm gonna close my ears.

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And I'm the cult leader.
Yeah.
I I thought uh should I be upthere singing I'm the reason for
the season and we all shouldcelebrate?

SPEAKER_04 (32:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:16):
Sounds great.
Actually, this is more truthfuland right on in the sales and
the whole bit.
James 127 says, religion thatGod our Father accepts is pure
and flawless as this.
To look after orphans and widowsin their distress, and and
there's an and there, and tokeep oneself from being polluted
by the world.
This is a daily thing that youhave to fight.

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This isn't like I come along andgo, okay, let's clean up
Christmas and make it reallyreflect.
I don't know, let's put a crossup in our living room instead of
a tree.
Sure, yeah.
Yeah, like that would go over.
I'd almost go for that becausenobody else would go for it.
But I uh you know it goes south.

SPEAKER_04 (32:52):
We were talking about Christmas the other day
and how like you you don't eversee nativity scenes outside.
People do a lot of lights andstuff, but it's pretty yeah,
where's the nativity scenes?
They don't even try to likecombine the two anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (33:06):
Not really anymore.

SPEAKER_04 (33:07):
Uh-uh.

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
Uh and there's no outcry from the church,
everybody shops.
Man, can you imagine a church?
Well, okay.
Yeah, I can imagine a churchwhere they didn't do the
presents, they didn't do thetrees, and you know what they
did do, Jacob?
What'd they do?
A vile.
Vile King County prosecutors,Judge Laurie K.
Smith, the Enam Call Police,they went ballistic.

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Because we made poor boxes.
We'll get into that in a moment.
All right, go ahead and playHappy Holy Days.
This is just a shorteredversion.
Making the point of the pointswe're making.

SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
Happy holy days from the Consider Podcast.
That is Happy Holy Days.
Smash.
Smash.
Smash the pretty presence underthe tree.
Silence the ho ho ho from SantaClaus.

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Or if we move the end, it soundsmore like Satan's clause.
Let us tremble as we worship himon this holy day.
Called Christ's Mass.
Psalm 96.9.
Worship the Lord in the splendorof his holiness.
Tremble before him.
All the earth.
Let us fell the earth inmysteries.

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Jeremiah 10 3.
For the customs of the peoplesare worthless.
And a craftsman shakes it withhis hand.
Let all true disciples of Jesusremain unpolluted.
James 1 27.
Religion that God our fathersaccepts as pure and faultless is
this to keep oneself from beingpolluted by the world.

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The Consider Podcast.
Examining today's wisdom, folly,and madness.info.

SPEAKER_03 (35:11):
Very awe-inspiring clip.
So go ahead and play that andlet's get started on it.

SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
Scientists use GPS technology to map Jesus' exact
path to the cross.
650 yards.
Every single step.
What they discovered willabsolutely wreck you.
From the praetorium to Gogotha.
Archaeologists trace the preciseroute through ancient Jerusalem.
But it's not just where hewalked.

(35:40):
Step 127.
He crossed over ancient Jewishritual cleansing pools, his
blood dripping into purificationwater.
The ultimate cleansing wasn'tthe ritual, it was his blood.
Step 284.
He passed through the court ofthe Gentiles, the place where
all nations gathered, carryingthe cross that would save all

(36:01):
nations.
Step 387.
He fell on the exact spot whereAbraham almost sacrificed Isaac
2,000 years earlier.
Same mountain, same altar.
The ram caught in thorns, he wasthe ram.
Every step fulfilled prophecy.
Isaiah 53, Psalm 22, Zechariah13.

(36:23):
His footprints weren't random.
They were writing scripture onthe stones of Jerusalem, 650
yards, twelve propheticlocations, one path, every step
mapped by God before thefoundation of the world.
He didn't just carry a cross, hewalked out your salvation.
GPS verified.

SPEAKER_02 (36:43):
Now let us pause for 15 seconds while we ask
ourselves what is missing inthis video?

SPEAKER_03 (36:51):
Okay, go ahead and pause it because you know it's
going to be longer than 15seconds for us.
What's missing, Jacob?
Um by the way, as you thinkabout that, keep in mind at the
time I did this, this thing hadover two million views.
Um the comment about it willwreck you.
Sorry, I wasn't wrecked by thisfact.

(37:11):
I certainly praise God for hiswisdom and what he's done, but
wrecked?
But that's the level ofinfantile, you know, of of the
American church.
Oh, I'm wrecked by thisinformation.
What are you talking about?
The whole you I can look up inthe sky and see God's
arrangement.
I mean, I'm glorifying God ofthis, don't misunderstand me.
But wrecked?
Yeah.
Uh no.
Anyway, what what's missing,Jacob?

(37:32):
Are you picking up on it?

SPEAKER_04 (37:34):
Um Well, there's they're still glorifying that
Jesus died in the cross for you,but then I guess you don't have
to do anything.
You don't got to carry your owncross because he carried it.

SPEAKER_03 (37:47):
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
You're you're you're right ontoit.
Here's the wreck part.
Scripture says that we have towalk as Jesus walked.
Yes.
Really?
So everybody's walking away fromthis, realizing that in their
Christian walk, they have tosuffer to some degree like this.
See, every disciple of Jesus,everybody that claims to be a

(38:11):
Christian, if they are led ofGod, hating their own life,
despising the dollar, hatingfather and mother, wife and
children, and all the otherthings that scripture says about
surrendering everything, givingup all.
That's just by the way, folks,to get started.
If you're trying to do that allthe way and somewhere, oh, I

(38:31):
hope to get there, you missedthe point.
Jesus says, before you become adisciple, you have to give up
everything, correct?
Correct.
By the way, that's just anotherway of saying amen.
That's our podcast Pentecostalresponse.
If we back up and we watch thisthing again and we think, okay,
this is how God is going to leadme daily in my life, and

(38:55):
especially as I get toward theend of my life, to suffer with
Christ.
The contemplation of that, doesthat not begin to wreck us?
It should.
It should.
Holy fear and trembling.
Go ahead and play the rest ofthe clip because I kind of
explained this and lay out thescriptures, but that's what's
missing.
If he, if the guy would havesaid at the end of this, and by

(39:17):
the way, your life will orshould reflect to some degree
these sufferings.
I wonder if it had got twomillion views.
By the way, you know, we did theCarrie Cross Barbershop.
It's always interesting to seehow many clips you get on
certain things.
Nobody's clicking on the CarrieCross barbershop.
Uh anything that comes down toactually specifics that you

(39:38):
gotta do, they're just not goingto tolerate it.
They have to listen to procpodcast thinking and hoping I
say something stupid so they cango, well, then I don't have to
obey that.
All right, finish the clipunless you've got something else
you want to add to it.
No, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_02 (40:00):
In the biblical, the walk of Jesus was.
However, one of the mostimportant elements is left out
and ignored.
Indeed.
Those viewing this video refuseto look and see.
What they refuse to see, letalone live by the guidance of
the Holy Spirit, is 1 John 2 6,Romans 8 17, and 1 Peter 4 1

(40:25):
through 2, which, by the way, isthe only repeat the only way to
overcome the sins in our lives.
1 John 2 through 6.
Whoever claims to live in himmust walk as Jesus did.
Romans 8 17.
Now, if we are children, then weare heirs, heirs of God and

(40:50):
co-heirs with Christ.
If indeed we share in hissufferings in order that we may
also share in his glory.
Now, 1 Peter chapter 4 teachesus that there is only one way,
God's way, of truly being setfree from the sins in our lives.
1 Peter 4, 1 through 2.

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Therefore, since Christ sufferedin his body, arm yourselves also
with the same attitude, becausehe who has suffered in his body
is done with sin.
As a result, he does not livethe rest of his earthly life for
evil human desires, but ratherfor the will of God.
Listen in on the ConsiderPodcast as we discuss and allow

(41:33):
God to place in our lives thesufferings of Jesus.
That is, if we are reallychildren of the living God.
The Consider Podcast, examiningtoday's wisdom, folly, and
madness.

SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
For some people, confronting them with the word
of God.
For other people, it'srefreshing and music to one's
heart and ears.
Of all the aspects of theChristmas story that is told,
you've got the manger and thewise men, and again, there's a
YouTube video out there.
What we know about you know thewise men and the stories we

(42:21):
told, it's nowhere true.
And they they're calling thisinformation awesome and you
know, earth shattering and allthat kind of stuff.
It's like, okay, those are allperipherals, but what aspect of
this story of Jesus being bornand Bethlehem and the stable and
all that is usually left out.

SPEAKER_04 (42:44):
Um which part is left out?
You mean so in mainstreamChristianity's version of it?
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (42:54):
Um, you know, they're all very selective about
uh what they're presenting.

SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
Well, I was it I guess it was right af no, right
after that Herod kills a lot ofbabies, but you know, got it.

SPEAKER_03 (43:07):
You got it.
The government is after ourchildren.
Yeah.
Nothing has changed.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Now Trump is doing some good,and I'm using that relative.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, let's not debate that hereback and forth.
Um I'd rather have Trump thanwhat was there.
So that that's probably a betterway to put it.
Okay.
So they're lighting Christmastrees, doing all that.

(43:29):
Meanwhile, the government as awhole, whether conservative or
whatever, they are after ourchildren.
Oh, they've said it.
They are after to destroy thefamily.
Yes.
They're bringing their sword,their pressure, their money,
their power to take away anddestroy our children.
Yes.
If it isn't this way, it's it'sthe fact of your family goes

(43:51):
through some hard times.
There's a a billion therapistsout there that'll come in and
say, Oh, you're in a cult,you're being abused, and they
just plant all these memories.
It is complete, absolutefoolishness to not believe that
there is this fundamental wallof governmental action to
destroy the family.

(44:12):
And so we tell this nice littleChristian story to bring people
in and they become unredeemed.
They come to Christmas, they orthey come to the Christmas
worship service.
They might even stick around andgo, This is nice and warm and
fuzzy.
And you get cookies and all theother things that go with.
And so your membership grows, Isuppose.
But nobody seems to mention thefact, hey, if you belong to this

(44:34):
church, the government will seekto be after your children.
If not now, later on, yourchildren will face the wrath of
the government.
I mean, the one world governmentis coming, the Bitcoin's coming,
or whatever they're gonna callit, they'll call it something
else.
Um so we've I don't I'm tryingto keep from going too far with
that.
Not to mention, and let's let'sget away from all the conspiracy

(44:58):
theories, which the ones Imentioned so far are not
conspiracy theories, they arefact, right?
Sure.
But it's what you alluded toearlier.
Go ahead and play the familyclip here, and just play it.

SPEAKER_02 (45:15):
Time for some good news concerning families.
That is God's loving good news.
God sent Jesus to earth toaccomplish his goal with your
family.
Jesus accomplished that goal,but the church rejects it.
It's too offensive because itidolizes family.
Picture the sword of Jesusstrolling into a family reunion.

(45:35):
Matthew 10, 34 through 36.
Do not suppose that I have cometo bring peace to the earth.
I did not come to bring peace,but a sword.
For I have come to turn a managainst his father, a daughter
against her mother, adaughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law.
A man's enemies will be themembers of his own household.
Best to reconsider the wholefocus on the family shtick.

(45:58):
The Consider podcast, examiningtoday's wisdom, folly, and
madness.

SPEAKER_03 (46:11):
Matthew 10 34.
Jesus is dispelling this wholenotion of earthly families,
isn't he, Jacob?
He says in Matthew chapter 10,verse 34, do not suppose that I
have come to bring peace to theearth.
Okay.
And what's promoted at Christmastime?

(46:32):
Peace on earth.
Peace on earth.
Peace, peace, peace.
Look, you'd think we'd wake up.
I mean, the amount of attentionSatan gives in movies and songs
and to about, you know, theirfamily, their family.
The mafia has, you know, theirfamily.
You know, you don't touchfamily.
Do not suppose I have come tobring peace to the earth.

(46:54):
Jesus said, I did not come tobring peace, but a sword.
That was one of the purposes forwhich God said, Hey, by the way,
Jesus, when you go to earth, Iwant you to start splitting
things up.
Now, this isn't a worldly sword.
I think we all know that.
That's right, prosecutors.
It's like nobody's talking abouta real violent sword here.

(47:17):
We're talking about the livingword of God.
Now, don't go into your home andapply a bunch of rules and
regulations.
This has to do after you havesurrendered everything, are
hating your life and being ledby the Holy Spirit.
And how this would all come out,I couldn't tell you.
Sometimes you can go in and donothing, but you're the smell of

(47:38):
death to your family.
And so no pun intended, no cussword intended, but all hell kind
of breaks loose.
Matthew 10 35, Jacob, read it.
What did Jesus come to do?
We talk about he came to die forour sins, right?
He came to carry our burdens, hecame to carry our diseases,
right?

(47:58):
He came to bring the good news.
Amen to all that stuff.
Well, how come this isn't equal?
How come this isn't on the samelevel as he came to do miracles
or to save my soul?
Verse 35.

SPEAKER_04 (48:10):
For I have come to turn a man against his father, a
daughter against her mother, adaughter-in-law against her
mother-in-law.

SPEAKER_03 (48:19):
That's what he came to do.
Now, you know, one reason why wewere persecuted and prosecuted,
and don't get me wrong, wedidn't go into our families at
homes and go, okay, I'm justgoing to divide everything up.
That's that this is not a ruleor regulation.
This is a consequence of lovingthem in Jesus Christ.
They're just going to hate youfor it.
Yeah.

(48:40):
You can't stop it if you'rereally of God.
Where you can go in and you'rejust constantly tolerated within
your family and you claim to bea Christian, you might want to
rethink the whole claiming to bea Christian thing.
Matthew 1036 says, a man'senemies will be the members of
his own household.
That's why all the I, you know,who cares about all the big

(49:02):
government conspiracy theories?
That's all true.
I mean, it's out there.
I don't UFO theories, um,conspiracies about the collapse
of this and war and that.
The one that I'm concerned withis that a man's enemies will be
the members of his ownhousehold.
That's the battle that has to befought.
I can't do if UFOs land today,if an alien lands today, Jacob,

(49:25):
is there anything I can do aboutit?
No.
If war breaks out between Chinaand Venezuela and whoever, what
can I do about it?
Nothing.
Uh writing about it, doing allkinds of stuff that the world
gets involved to.
Not gonna make a bunch, not makeany difference whatsoever.
Correct.
May no, it's not gonna make anydifference.
All right.
Well, let's play the full storyand then move on, because we got

(49:48):
a lot of stuff today.
Play government file.

SPEAKER_09 (49:53):
Matthew chapter two, ten to sixteen.
When they saw the star, theywere overjoyed.
On coming to the house, they sawthe child with his mother Mary,
and they bowed down andworshipped him.
Then they opened their treasuresand presented him with gifts of
gold and of incense and ofmyrrh.
And having been warned in adream not to go back to Herod,

(50:15):
they returned to their countryby another route.
When they had gone, an angel ofthe Lord appeared to Joseph in a
dream.
Get up, he said, Take the childand his mother and escape to
Egypt.
Stay there until I tell you, forHerod is going to search for the
child to kill him.
So he got up, took the child andhis mother during the night, and

(50:37):
left for Egypt, where he stayeduntil the death of Herod.
And so was fulfilled what theLord had said through the
prophet, Out of Egypt I calledmy son.
When Herod realized that he hadbeen outwitted by the Magi, he
was furious, and he gave ordersto kill all the boys in
Bethlehem and its vicinity whowere two years old and under, in

(51:01):
accordance with the time he hadlearned from the Magi.

SPEAKER_03 (51:04):
Isn't it interesting that the government is after
boys?
What more do I need to say?
The main point here, one for usas disciples, like people go,
okay, I've read this Christmasstory.
Sometimes it's in books.
I dunno I don't know.
But Jesus warned us to rememberLot's wife.

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Each family member, eachChristian father out there,
every person claiming to be aChristian, you need to ask
yourself a very sober questionin relationship to Lot's wife.
God comes along and says, get upand move, flee, run, you're in
danger.
Are you really that prepared inan instant to leave behind

(51:46):
boats, cars, family, photoalbums, couches, chairs,
favorite pet?
You go down the line, right?
Your computer, your phone, allthat stuff.
God said, quick, flee to, and Ican't think of a state that's
really that safe anymore, butflee.
Are you really open to leavingit all behind in an instant to
run?
Did not Jesus say, when you'repersecuted, flee to another

(52:09):
area?
Yes.
You had in your heart, you hadto be thoroughly dead to these
things and thoroughly dead tomoney.
I remember as Wine Pass WinePress Publishing was going down
and being destroyed by the cityof Enum Claw, the Enum Claw
police, King County prosecutors,there reached a point when God
said, Okay, it's over with.

(52:29):
Everything I had was lost atthat point.
Had to flee, had to get up andgo.
That was it.
It was over with.
That particular aspect of thebattle was gone.
And and did I not instantly dothat?
Oh, yeah.
There was no hesitation, nonewhatsoever, right?
You get the idea we have to dothat.

(52:51):
So I'm not going to go into allthese other notes that are here.
There's a book out that isteaching our children that
getting an abortion is asuperhero type response.
And this is for two to fouryears old.
You can put up the link later orfive-year-olds.
I'm sorry, let me move back up.
Being marketed to five to eightyear olds, and they're calling

(53:14):
getting an abortion a verypositive, there it is, uh,
speaks directly to five to eightyear olds about what abortion
is, how it might feel, and whypeople have abortions.
Wow.
And that's what they're teachingour kids.
I tell you, if the church wouldsay, you know what, let's just
skip all to Christmas and focusin on this, yeah.

(53:34):
I know.
And go from there.
But I I can't really speculateabout it at all.
Yeah.
Um, I guess that's it.
Anyway, give them the linkthere.
It's horrendous.
There's so much of this stuffthat's kind of like I'm passing
it by, like, okay, nobody'sgonna do anything about it.
And we're all busy feeding ourbellies, opening our presents,
and having fun and family.

(53:56):
But yet you've got a generationof kids, first of all, abandoned
to public school.
Mothers are not busy at homeraising kids, uh, or they up to
a certain point and then theysend them to public school and
so on and so forth.
And there's not the wholeinfrastructure of older women.
We've covered this before inother podcasts.
So now Satan, Satan is brazenenough.
Like, I don't think this couldhave happened 30 years ago.

(54:19):
The abortion book?
Yeah.
Yeah, no.
So all you got to do is watchevery time Satan pushes these
things, that tells you how farthe church has become powerless
in what it does and howdestructive that it is and where
we're at.
So quit looking at economicindicators.
Look at this, look at rainbowpainted streets, look at all

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these things.
You know, side note, why isTrump hated so much, Jacob?

SPEAKER_04 (54:47):
Um I don't know.
People have the most bizarre,irrational um breakdowns over
one guy.
Here's why.

SPEAKER_03 (54:59):
He's the last dad of the United States.
It's not much, but he's at leasta dad that says, no, you can't
do this.

SPEAKER_04 (55:08):
You can't do that.
He at least is gonna I mean heruns his mouth, but he'll tell
it like it is.

SPEAKER_03 (55:12):
He'll tell it like it is.

SPEAKER_04 (55:13):
He's not a real politician.

SPEAKER_03 (55:15):
And all the all the lefties, they're spoiled
children, and so are theconservatives for that matter.
But okay, so you get Trump comesalong and he has a dad that
says, no, well, no, you can't dothis, and you can't do the
sidewalks, and you can't just doabortion stuff, and you can't
cheat on elections, and youcan't lie.
And that's why he's hated.

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So when people go Trumpsyndrome, what's going on there?
These are spoiled children.
Rebellious children.
Rebellious children that willeventually betray their parents
and turn them in if they haven'talready.
Thank you.
And do not want to be told no.
Which, by the way, Titus tellsus the grace of God teaches us

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to say no.
So now you know why most peopleare rejecting that.
Yes.
All right.
Remember our old plan of the GPSthing?
Yeah.
Let's just keep in mind that asour lives, when we finish up and
we're you'll notice Paul says, Ihave been crucified with Christ.
I have not been resurrected withChrist.

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That's why scripture says wehave to keep in step with the
Holy Spirit.
At the end of our life, itshould be because for Jesus to
walk this road, did it not haveto be perfectly timed?
Yes.
Did it, was it not a narrowwalk?
Very narrow.
And was it not where he did notwant to go?
Yes.
That is the Christian life.
As I move forward in followingGod, the road gets narrower.

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My life becomes more biblical,and it's heading more toward the
cross and giving up sin andseeing those things.
Now, can it compare to whatJesus went through?
No.
Can it compare to what Paul wentthrough?
No.
I'm an American Christian.
I have a microwave, all thosethings, but nevertheless, God
knows how to work some measureof the powerful grace of God and

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the crucified life so that Iscream mercy and give me your
power.
Any comments on any of that,Jacob?
No.
All right.
You know what?
We've gone long enough, and I'vealready stated, I think,
everything that this is not aneasy thing giving giving out

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Christmas.
I mean, I I really did gothrough withdrawals.
I can't, I don't want to maketoo much of it.
I mean, you know, oh, Isuffered, and you know, Satan
came for me and no gifts, and Iprayed and fasted for 40 days,
and I gave up the tree, and andI went down to the people were
selling trees, and I overturnedthe trees.
Oh, yeah.
You know, I went after them andI and I went to the local store.

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Well, they were closed on BlueSundays back then.
So I went to the store duringthe sales and I I chewed out the
manager.
I was zealous for God.
No, it wasn't any of that.
Sure.
It was just withdraw from theworld and then not just
withdrawing, because you can dothat, but then picking up a
cross that puts righteousness inthere.
Now you grew up, didn't you growup that there was no Christmas

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trees and presents by that time,right?

SPEAKER_04 (58:13):
Because the church had gone through the words
Christmas trees.
None.
Not a single Christmas tree.
Are you all warped up because ofit?
Am I all warped up?
Yeah, warped up.
Do you need therapy?
No, I do not need therapy.
What?
I know.

SPEAKER_03 (58:27):
And that's a shock.
Did you get presents?
No, not really.
No, I mean, throughout yourlife, have you ever been given a
present?
Well, yeah.
Well, yeah.
Our gifts are toys?
That's the thing, too.

SPEAKER_04 (58:36):
It's it's so weird about Christmas.
It's like, oh yeah, during theyear, don't buy your kids and
your grandkids and the thepeople that you, I'm using air
quotes, love, don't buy thempresents then.
Only buy them presents aroundDecember.
It's so dumb.
And people do that though.
People do that, right?
Like, where is where is evenlike the the freedom and love

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and the Holy Spirit, or like forthe Holy Spirit to even prick
you?
Maybe you should buy somebodysomething in June or July or
whenever.
But everybody just waits.
Nobody even bothers to want tocare about anybody until the
Satan clause says you should doit, and then Christians do it.

SPEAKER_03 (59:14):
Yeah, and as a joke, you know, if you if you want to
do that, you give the kidunderwear for his Christmas
present.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I I'd have fun withthe thing if I was visiting, but
anyway.
Um okay, so uh we used to jokeas we were giving up Christmas,
right?
Yeah.
It wasn't like we didn't buy ourkids toys and and gifts and
other people.

SPEAKER_04 (59:35):
There was always this exchange, it was love, it
was pure, it was there.
Yeah, there was always thepursuit to have all things in
common.
That's another one, but we'veactually talked about that
before, too.

SPEAKER_03 (59:44):
Sure.
But and the kids wind upactually, we I kind of laughed
inside.
They actually wind up gettingmore toys.
So but no King Countyprosecutors, prosecutor Simmons,
you know, they want to well,they prosecuted because of poor
boxes.
In fact, we're gonna call Closeout with a video that explains
how to make poor boxes and whatto do.

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But first, let's go to Matthewchapter 7, verse 11.
Because here's what people don'twant to recognize.
Um, well, let's back up evensome more, because this wasn't
actually in my notes.
Matthew chapter 7, verse 9.
He's talking to us as fathers orwhatever.

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It says, you know, which of you,if your son asks for bread,
we'll give him a stone, or if heasks for a fish, we'll give him
a snake, right?
So we know how to give goodgifts.
In fact, Jesus says in Matthewchapter 7, verse 11, if you
then, uh oh, here's the kicker,here's the problem.

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This is one reason people don'twant to give up Christmas and
everything else in their life.
I'll let you read it, Jacob.
Matthew chapter 7, verse 11.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:58):
If you then, though you are evil, know how to give
good gifts to your children, howmuch more will your father in
heaven give good gifts to thosewho ask him?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:09):
I mean, Jesus is always getting that zingarine.
Man, can't he ever be positive?
I mean, seriously, you know,come on, we're doing our best,
we're walking, and I'm buying,you know, I give my kid bread, I
don't give him a stone, and youknow, I take him McDonald's and
I get him what, number five,number three, whatever it is,
you know.
So if he asks for a fish, I givehim McDonald's.
I'm a nice guy.

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But here's Jesus, he's just notcontent to say, hey, look, if
you ask God, he'll give you goodthings.
No, no, no.
Jesus has to tell us the truthin Matthew 7, 11, though you are
evil.
So, question to the church aswhole, as a whole, and you too,
Jacob.
Is it of equal measure to sayfrom the pulpit and people

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receive it as equal power to sayGod is good and he gives us good
gifts?
As it is to say, you are evil.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:04):
Oh, well, uh not not in the modern church.
No, no, no.
They don't give both.
Well, what church are youtalking about?
Oh, well, well, but it shouldbe.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:13):
It should be that.
Yeah, yeah.
Um I appreciate that part.
It's good news.
If I if I like that point, it'sthis is all good news.
Separating families is goodnews.
Your evil is actually good.
Oh, which is news.

SPEAKER_04 (01:02:26):
Isn't that a Christmas theme?
Like peace on earth, goodwill,too.
To all men.
Oh, yeah.
To all men.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:31):
To all men.
So if I got up to a congregationwhere I was invited, now we're
really into fantasy land.
So yes.
And I stand up and I go, praiseour God.
Let's lift a hallelujah.
Let's do an amen.
Let's sing a song to the factthat our God gives us good
gifts.
Can I get around a clap?
Well, I don't know what they do,right?

(01:02:51):
It'd be a tremendous outburst ofpraise God, the whole bit,
right?
Then I go, and you know what?
We are evil.
Jesus says, we are evil evenwhen we give good gifts.
Never deceive yourself that whenyou give a good gift to your
child, that somehow you're good.
You're evil.

(01:03:12):
Grandma's evil when she bringsyou cookies.
You know, dad's evil, or mom'sevil when she gives you this
present, even though it's a goodpresent.
Would I get the same hallelujah,amen, praise God?
Definitely not.
No, what I would get is run out,never invited, disliked,
persecuted, prosecuted,slandered, lied about, claimed

(01:03:32):
that I was trying to gainworshipers, that I'm a cult
leader, I'm evil and vicious andvile, and I'm twisting the
scriptures in all manner ofways, and it's out of context,
and I don't know the Greek andthe Hebrew, and no other
Pharisee or Sadducee agrees withthat statement.
Would that pretty much be it?
Uh something like that.
Can you tell I've experiencedthese things a few times?

(01:03:52):
Yes.
I've heard it all before, folks.
All right, so we're gonna endwith that glorious, unholy
people called King Countyprosecutors who were very
willing, extremely eager, stilleager to leave an innocent man
in jail with absolute proof.

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Absolute proof.
You can go by the Considerwebsite.
There's a transcript of thecorrupt cop actually scripting
out, motivating behind thescenes or false accusation, and
they were all singing theirunholy hallelujahs.

SPEAKER_08 (01:04:44):
Big, beautiful, bold are a few words to describe
what's ahead.
Other words like solid, honest,and also special come to mind.
In truth, it's more likelypeace-loving, kind, and
self-sacrificing.

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Yes, we're talking about thecreation of poor boxes at
Christmas time in defiance ofthe state of Washington.
Contrary to King Countyprosecutors of Seattle,
Washington, some disciples ofJesus disregard Judge Laurie K.
Smith's disdain for the good.
Let's consider how to make poorboxes.

(01:05:26):
In this year of our Lord, 2025,the Consider Podcast, examining
today's wisdom, folly, andmadness.
www.consider.info.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:44):
How about was there any particular holiday
celebration for Christmas oranything of that nature?

SPEAKER_02 (01:05:50):
A holy Christmas undermined by prosecution.
Poor box persecution.
Matthew 5, 11 through 12.
Blessed are you when peopleinsult you, they persecute you,
and falsely say all kinds ofevil against you because of me.
Rejoice and be glad, becausegreat is your reward in heaven.

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For in the same way theypersecuted the prophets who were
before you.
In Washington State,specifically in Seattle's King
County Courts, Judge Lori K.
Smith, who is foolishly arrogantabout being voted two times by
her peers as woman of the year,alongside prosecutors and
police, subjected the SoundDoctrine Church to a rigorous,

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rights-denied 28-day trial.
During this time, King Countycourts distorted, vilified, and
misrepresented every truth.
Indeed, what prosecutors calledevidence was absolutely
unrelated and opposed to thecharges against a church member.
The primary grotesque legalcorruption is that Washington

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State was using groomed chargesto take down a righteous
Christian church.
The alleged evidence of a crimepresented in court stemmed in
part from how the church, underPastor Williams' leadership,
celebrated Christmas.
The church's initiative tocreate, design, and decorate
poor boxes was maligned ascult-like.

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Keep in mind, true to thecongregation's inviting nature,
the church welcomed everyone,regardless of membership, to
participate in Christmaspreparations throughout the
year.
Individuals could witness thejoy and engage with families and
friends of the church whilecrafting these poor boxes.
The excitement and joy aresorely missed since King County
prosecutors destroyed the churchand were run out of town by the

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city of Enum Claw.
Be warned that if your church isrighteous and loving, even
designing poor boxes andgathering coins for the poor may
be prosecuted.
Nevertheless, here are the stepsinvolved in making a poor box.
Step one start with an oldoatmeal cardboard container.
Note, any type of box orcontainer will work, as this is

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not some type of cult-like ordercoming down from leadership.
Step two, use constructionpaper, glue, glitter, and
stickers to decorate the outsideof the poor box.
Step three, cut a slot in thetop of the box to allow coins or
dollars to be added throughoutthe year.
That is, if Governor BobFerguson, the Washington State
Supreme Court, and the Democratshave not already taken all your

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cash, coins, and children fromyou.
Step four, throughout the year,children and adults collect
their spare change and depositit in the box.
It is holy money set aside forthe Lord's will.
Thus, no one takes any moneyfrom the poor box during the
year.
This refusal to take any moneyout was not out of fear of hell,

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as prosecutors slandered duringthe trial, but out of love and
joy for all that God has done.
Step five.
At the end of the year, aroundChristmas time, all the
collected money is poured into asingle bucket and donated to the
less fortunate or a worthycause.
Not a single dime or penny wasretained by Sound Doctrine
Church.

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The perverse accusations againstthe church came despite the
noble intentions behind theseefforts.
As prosecutor Jason Simmons andJudge Laurie K.
Smith misrepresented therighteousness that Sound
Doctrine Church embraced,presenting such lunacy logic as
evidence in order to mislead ajury to destroy a church devoted
to good, holiness, andrighteousness.

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Let us pray for theseindividuals to repent.
For as God warns in Isaiah 5 20,woe to those who call evil good
and good evil, who put darknessfor light and light for
darkness, who put bitter forsweet and sweet for bitter.
Nothing on the Consider Podcastshould be considered legal or

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life advice.
Each is admonished to seek aholy God and obey by picking up
a cross to follow Jesus.
The Consider Podcastwww.consider dot info.