#98 January 1, 2026

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Speaker 6 (00:01):
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
Yeah, we're about to start thecountdown.
Happy New Year's Day.
Are you ready?
The consider podcast.
So when you hear, we deliverthe facts.
We at the house of mourningwhile the city collapses.
Hearts of fools, chase thrills,while the minutes attacks.
But the wise, we the times,cause the wick in the rap.
Every second is a thief in theblack.

(00:22):
Every clock take closer to thejudge coming back.
Sparkling bottles like they canget away from the past.
But the spool says the worldburns under the glass.
Fireworks crackle while thesouls crack.
Open the faces glowing bluescreen.
These are cheap moments.
Confetti in the alleys wherethe lots stay broken.
They know it with the midnightcount is unspoken.
End of year highlights with rotunderneath.

(00:42):
Self-worship masquerading as afresh new week.
But the wise man knows that hisjoy ain't cheap.
And the fear of God stays whileillusions retreat.
Stop a new year, stop a newyear.
No cheers, no fears.
Just a truth right here.
When the clock strikes 12, theillusion fades.
This Cinderella story is amasquerade.
So a new year, stop a new year.

(01:02):
Check the signs of the times.
Cause I'm so a new year.
When the clock strikes 12, thedelusion breaks.
Better sober up now.
The floor is too late.
Chase and win.
Whole culture got us feet offthe ground.
Achievement stack high, but themeaning unround.
Work, grind, hustle, brag, thencollapse with a frown.
The treadmill don't stop tillthey bury you down.
New year's goals list slip, butthe motives are thin.

(01:23):
Resolution after resolution.
What about sin?
Champagne in the veins, likethey're born again.
But repentance is the dawnwhere the truth won't sit.
Overjudgement, see yourself inthe mirror for wheel.
Not the version in your headthat you paid for the wheel.
Not the pride, drunk idol youpretend to feel.
But the dust breath creaturesgot the mass to kneel.
Shadow life here today, then itflickers and fades.

(01:44):
Winningless days, all thesedigital chains.
The noise on the body won'tquiet the pain.
Only morning in the spiritmakes it whole.
No cheers, no fears.
Just a truth right here.
Stop a new year, stop a newyear.

(02:05):
Better sober up now before it'stoo late.
Shadow of a man in the worldout of tune.
Counting down at midnight likeit's some kind of boo.
But the breath in your lungs isa vapor too soon.
And the judge keeps receipts.
Every choice, every rule, giveaccount.
Not the followers to the makerof skies.
Not the algorithms, crackingyour near year highs.

(02:26):
But the one who weeds motivesand the inward ties.
With the fear of God lives andthe dead man dies.
Blessed of the morn is not thecrowd, but the morns, not the
dance floor, stains with theglitter and the pun.
But the one who sees the terrorand the beauty of God and bow
low in the peasants, cause yoursymptoms eye.
When it's toast in the futurewith the plastic grip.
We tremble in the splendor,Robin's pulling this again.

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This world celebration is amass percent.
Christ COVID comes through whenthe morning begins.
Soap a new year, stop a newyear.
Check the signs of the times,cause I'm so a new near.

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Counting down the minutes tomidnight.
Here we go in ten, nine, eight,seven, six, five, four, three,

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This and much more, includingthe rap song to bring in the new
year of our Lord 2026 on theConsider Podcast.

Speaker 10 (05:01):
More information can be found at www.consider.info.
Now, here are your hosts,Timothy and Jacob.

Timothy (05:15):
Heard about the $9 billion fraud, Jacob?
Not not million, billion.
I mean a staggering amount ofmoney of the fraud in Minnesota?

Jacob (05:26):
I last I knew it was like a billion.
I had not heard, because thethe yeah, the last I saw it was
days ago.
So I did not know it had hit 9billion.
Well, you know, it's it's alsothey're saying it's probably in
Washington State too.
Did you see that article?
Same thing.
The Somalis have like daycarecenters in Washington State that

(05:46):
have been receiving millions ofdollars.

Timothy (05:47):
So it's every I ran the nine billion because uh just
this morning before we did theshow.
That's that's just Minnesotaalone.
Um and you bring up the secondpoint.
We're going to talk aboutGovernor Bob Ferguson's response
to the 9 billion and thepossible what did you see for
Washington State?
It's gotta be up there.

(06:07):
They haven't even begun tocalculate it.

Jacob (06:09):
Yeah, it was just millions.
That's all I knew.
In Washington State, it wasjust millions that they're
guessing.

Timothy (06:16):
Exactly, and they they haven't even begun the
investigation yet.
So you have this potential offraud and a crime.
I'm assuming taking this money,this nine billion from the
government is a crime, right?

Jacob (06:28):
Um taking the money and then e giving it away illegally,
I think, is the super illegalpart.

Timothy (06:35):
Well, okay, I'm glad you put a fine tune on it, but
I'm gonna go fine her there.
Well, I think taking ninebillion from us anyway.
Giving it to them to rundaycare centers is a fun crime.
That is that's already a crime.
I won't go there.
I won't go there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you are correct.

Jacob (06:49):
Even if the daycares were real, like why are we spending
nine billion dollars ondaycares?
Anyways.

Timothy (06:55):
Exactly.
And that just destroys more ofsociety behaving the daycares,
but we won't get into all thattoday.
So Bob Ferguson, governor ofWashington State, sees this
potential for a crime.
I mean, he after all, he waswhat is he, the uh attorney
general for Washington State atone time.
So he he's got a real intrinsicsense of what's right and wrong

(07:19):
and legal and right, correct?
Correct, yeah.
Uh-huh.
You believe that.
Play the intro, then we'regonna talk about Governor Bob
Ferguson's reaction to thepossibility of millions and
millions of fraud associatedwith daycare centers in the
Somalis.

Speaker 16 (07:42):
Did you hear the news?
News about it is all oversocial media.
News of it is beingblab-blocked with serious
energy.
News about the news that'salready news everywhere is
rebroadcast as if it were newnews on every news channel.
Let us end the talk.

(08:02):
Ecclesiastes 6 11.
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Duh.
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Examining today's wisdom,folly, and madness.
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Timothy (08:31):
Pull up that link if you can, Jacob, where we're
going to quote Governor BobFerguson.
You know, somebody needs toreally put him out of his misery
and the rest of WashingtonState and the nation.
What I mean by that is why notsend in the individuals that
wear the white coats, you know,and have the little ambulance
that come pick you up and giveyou a nice quiet place to sit

(08:53):
and contemplate and try andbring sanity back in.
Because this is certifiablynuts.
All right, let me quote uh BobFerguson here.
He met with the Somali becausehe's concerned.
Obviously concerned, as I said.
He used to be attorney generalum of Washington State.
And of course, that's why we'rein this mess.
But quote, I met with theSomali American community

(09:16):
leaders today to discuss thedeep damage.
Am I reading that right so far,Jacob?
Do you see it there?

Speaker 14 (09:22):
Yeah, I do.

Timothy (09:23):
The deep damage.
What's the deep damage?
Not just any damage, but we'retalking deep damage.
You know, nine billion would bewould you call that deep damage
or just damage, damage?
I'd call that pretty deep.
Okay, so Bob Ferguson, GovernorBob Ferguson, where all these
people voted for Governor BobFerguson, is going to discuss

(09:45):
deep damage inflicted by what?
Not by the Somali's fraud, notby this money being wasted,
because we know uh BobFerguson's and the Democrats in
Wharton State, their concept ofour money is their money,
inflected by who?
Who are we focused in on,Jacob?
What does it say?

(10:05):
Donald Trump.
Donald Trump's harmful rhetoricand reckless deportations.
That's right.
Commit all the fraud you want.
Go to nine billion.
How serious do you thinkWashington State is going to be
to investigate how much fraud'sgoing on in Washington State by
the Somalia?
This is what he comes out with.
Here in Washington State, nowthis is what Bob Ferguson says.

(10:28):
Here in Washington State, werecognize that diversity is a
strength.
Now, I was not aware.
Are you aware, Jacob, thatembezzling or committing fraud
with tax money is a thing ofdiversity?

Jacob (10:48):
No, I didn't know that it was a diversity or a strength.
However, I guess it is a skill.

Timothy (10:53):
Well, it's a skill, and and and that is a di so you
might only come up with aseveral million.
Somebody else can come up witha hundred million, but then some
people can do a billion.
So the diversity of stealing isour strength.

Jacob (11:08):
Uh apparently.
Well, no, wait, our.
That's what he's saying.
If it's i if he's if he'sreferring to like himself as
Washington people, then liketheir strength is to let it all
be stolen.
That's what Rob Ferguson isgood at.

Timothy (11:21):
And be all worried about the rhetoric, the talk.
You know, the Trump's out heremouthing off what Trump does.
Okay, that's that's fine.
Forget the billions.
Yeah, the billions.
Forget the millions because thedeep damage is inflicted by
Donald Trump saying, you know,we need to take care of fraud,
of illegal activity.
Yes.

(11:41):
Now, Bob Ferguson is not a manwith a sound mind.
He he needs to repent.
Bob Ferguson, Mr.
Bob, God will give you a soundmind if you repent.
This is absurd.
Let's read the scripture, andI'm gonna go to the new King
James.
Jacob, you want to pull thatup?
2 Timothy 1 7.

(12:01):
And since you're partial to theKing James whole thing, go
ahead and read that and read itto Bob Ferguson.
Tell him what it means.

Jacob (12:10):
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power
and of love and of a sound mind.

Timothy (12:19):
Bob, you can have all those.
You can have the power of God,the love of God that actually
wouldn't use people forpolitical gain.
You know, when you went afterthe grandmother because she
wouldn't arrange flowers for agay wedding, you know.
What happened to diversity, bythe way?
I mean, if you've got agrandmother that has a

(12:40):
particular belief about gaymarriage, and she just doesn't
want to arrange the flowers,isn't that part of diversity?
Because we've got a differenceof opinion.
You got a gay individual here,and you've got her over here,
and they were dialoguing, theywere doing fine, but Bob Fergus
intentionally went for thegrandmother.
So what happened to diversity?

(13:00):
It's only one way.
Well, are you sure?
Because I'm thinking what he'ssaying here is that the
grandmother that owned theflower shop should have robbed
the gay individual.
Should have charged him more,should have committed fraud.

Jacob (13:15):
Oh, okay.
Oh, yeah, for a little fraud.

Timothy (13:17):
Do you follow what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Yeah, so the deep damage wasinflicted by her not committing
fraud against the gayindividual.

Jacob (13:26):
Not, yeah, taking advantage of them.
She should have really takenadvantage of that gay couple.

Timothy (13:30):
Correct.
Now, what about also, where wasthe diversity when King County
prosecutors and the city of InumClaw, uh, the council and the
police there intentionally,provable, lied, had rhetoric
that did what?
Destroyed a righteous Christianchurch and drove them from
town.

(13:51):
Where was your diversity toprotect that diversity and that
freedom of speech, Mr.
Bob?
And by the way, I contactedAttorney General Bob Ferguson
during that time, telling himand informing him that he should
be looking into this matter, asI did Governor Inslee saying,
you know, we really need aspecial prosecutor to look into
King County prosecutors and thecity of Enam Call Police.

(14:13):
What happened to the diversityhere of allowing everybody to
have a difference of opinion anda different nationality and
what they claim to be andbelieve?
For that matter, what happenedto the Constitution that
guaranteed freedom of religion,Judge Laurie K.
Smith and prosecutor JasonSimmons.
Where's all this diversity at?
I'd like to know.

Jacob (14:34):
It's non-existent.

Timothy (14:36):
Why uh no, Jacob, you have to commit fraud.
Oh, okay.

Jacob (14:41):
That's true.
You have to steal.
Yeah, it has to be diverselyokay.

Timothy (14:46):
See, Christians can't use the park downtown in Seattle
because that doesn't reflectwhatever the Seattle's gay
message, but the Christianswould be allowed to commit fraud
against the city by takingfunds from the state, but not
actually doing the park.
I don't, you know, I'm having ahard time here thinking, well,
how do you commit fraud here?

(15:07):
But that that's what he'ssaying.
That's the message.
Yes.
Am I right on that, Jacob?
You're correct.
Okay, one more time, Mr.
Ferguson.
Bob Ferguson, GovernorFerguson.
God can give you a power oflove and discipline and a sound
mind.
It's all yours if you repent.

(15:29):
Any comments or anything elseon that, Jacob?
Because that's in the news.
Nope.
Alright, let's play the soberjudgment 19 or 2026, and let's
discuss that a little bit.

Speaker 6 (15:47):
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.
We're about to start thecountdown.
Happy New Year's Day.
Are you ready to considerpodcasts?
So when you hear, we deliverthe facts.
We at the house of morningwhile the city collapses.
Hearts of fools chase thrillswhile the minutes attacks.
But the wise, we the times,cause the wicked the wrap.
Every second is a thief in theblack.

(16:08):
Every clock take closer to thejudge coming back.
Sparkling bottles like they canget away from the past.
But the spool says the worldburns under the glass.
Fireworks crackle while thesouls crack open.
The faces glowing blue screen.
These are cheap moments.
Confetti in the alleys wherethe lots stay broken.
They numbered with the midnightcount, it's unspoken.
End of year highlights with rotunderneath self-worship,

(16:29):
masquerading as a fresh newweek.
But the wise man knows that hisjoy ain't cheap.
And the fear of God stays whileillusions retreat.
So a new year, stop a new year.
No cheers, no beers, just thetruth right here.

(16:50):
Better sober up now.
Chase the wind, whole culturegot his feet off the ground.
Achievement stack high, but themeaning unwound.
Work, grind, hustle, brag, thencollapse with a frown.
The treadmill don't stop tillthey bury you down.
New year's goals list slip, butthe motives are thin.
Resolution after resolution.

(17:11):
What about sin?
Champagne in the veins, likethey're born again.
But repentance is the door, butthe truth won't sit.
Don't for judgment.
See yourself in the mirror forwheel.
Not the version in your headthat you paint for the wheel.
Not the pride, drunk idol youpretend to feel.
But the dust breath creaturegot the master kneel.
Shadow lights here today.
Then it thick is the phase.
Meaningless days, all thesedigital chains.

(17:32):
The noise of the potty won'tquiet the pain.
Only morning in the spiritmakes it whole.
No cheers, no fears, just atruth right here.

(17:54):
Better stop her up now.
Shadow of a man in the worldout of tune.
Counting down to midnight likea soap of boon.
But the breath in your lungs isa vapor too soon.
And the judge keeps receipts.
Every choice, every move, giveaccount.
Not the followers to the makeupof skies.
Not the algorithms crackingyour near highs.
But the one who reads motivesand the inward ties.

(18:14):
With a fear of God lives andthe dead man dies.
Blessed of the morners, not thecrowd with the horns, not the
dance floor, stains with theglitter and bond.
But the one who sees the terrorand the beauty of God and bow
low in the presence, cause yourskin feels odd.
When it toast of the futurewith the plastic grip, we
tremble in the splendor of hiswhole and it's again.
This world celebration is amass percent.

(18:35):
Christ's comfort comes throughwhen the morning begins.
Check the signs of the times,cause I'm so a new year.

(18:55):
Counting down the minutes tomidnight.

Speaker (19:02):
Here we go.

Speaker 7 (19:03):
In ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three,
two, one, and consider podcast.

Jacob (19:22):
What you think, Mr.
Jacob?
Well, it's a catchy tune, soyou know it's uh it's hard to
Oh, the words are good,obviously, but you know, when
it's catchy, then it's hard tobe more sober.
But the message is clear.

Timothy (19:36):
I you know, I'm amazed uh again and again every day of
how God directs my steps becauseI could have gone through
literally hundreds of differentpeople that do this rap, but he
was the first person that waschosen and he c he picks up on
it.
I mean, clearly um I think hemust he's in a different part of
the world, but I have a goodfeeling that uh he knows what

(19:58):
we're talking about.
Let's go to Ephesians 5.16.
I want to discuss this a littlebit.
I I don't know how long we'llgo for it simply because it's
the same message every year.
Sober up.
Get serious.
And the reason for this isEphesians 5.16.
Jacob, when you get there, I'mgonna let you read that.
Ephesians 5.16.

Jacob (20:25):
There you go.
5.16.
It says making the most ofevery opportunity because the
days are evil.

Timothy (20:36):
The days are evil.
What anything that means to youright up front?

Jacob (20:41):
Um well the yeah, this seems obvious that the days are
evil.

Timothy (20:47):
Um it seems obvious to have a sound mind too, but go
ahead.

Jacob (20:51):
Well, it does, but like, well, this is this is just
actually more clear.
Like it's just it's like lightand day, obvious.
Like, because we could talkabout a sound mind and what that
is, and that could be a wholenother podcast, what a sound
mind is.
But this is very clear, thesimple fact that the days are
very evil, so you have to makethe most of every opportunity

(21:11):
because and then obviouslyplenty of other scriptures that
the time is short.

Timothy (21:16):
The time that I have to see God is short.
Every hour is against me.
Every second's against me,every day's against me, every
day I put off repenting or I letmyself be fooled that I don't
really have to pick up thecross.
I mean, we could go down and onand on.
The time is running short.
No wonder Satan likes the lieand the delusion that most

(21:38):
people are going to heavenbecause most people are not
going to heaven.
Every day that King Countyprosecutors refuse to repent,
and Judge Laurie K.
Smith and Beth Andrews, and thelist goes on and on.
By the way, I'm compiling anice long list of people that
have been confronted with thisand should have taken care of
this a long time ago.
The time for them to repent isrunning short, and every day for

(22:00):
them is more and more evilbecause every day they refuse to
repent and to make this rightadds to their sin.
So you're adding to it everytime you ignore God.
Anything else on that?
I mean, I have a bunch of otherscriptures.
I posted them on the website ifyou want to go into those
points.
We've got really a lot of otherthings to talk about.

(22:21):
But uh any comments on that,Jacob?
No.
All right.
Um well let's look at well,let's go to Romans chapter 12,
verse 3.
Because this is what everyChristian, well, everybody
should, but every Christian andtrue disciple of Jesus should
do.
Read Romans 12, verse 3, Jacob.

Jacob (22:42):
For by the grace given me, I say to every one of you,
do not think of yourself morehighly than you ought, but
rather think of yourself withsober judgment and accordance
with the measure of faith Godhas given you.

Timothy (22:56):
That's really the core of that whole rap.
When I sent those notes to himand all these scriptures, and he
put it together well, that wasthe main one that I was thinking
of, the sober judgment ofreally sitting down, and you
know, people are just so busypraising God they don't have
time to actually worship God.
That makes sense.

Jacob (23:14):
Yeah.

Timothy (23:15):
So there's a sober judgment here.
I sit down every day,especially as I get older.
I mean, every birthday is like,wow, I'm really on borrowed
time.
You know, when you're in your20s, 25, or around there, you
think you've got life ahead ofyou.
So it would come as a surpriseif all of a sudden you died or
faced an illness or whatever.
But when you get up into myage, it's like, well, okay, I'm
alive today.

(23:36):
That's unusual in every daythat it goes like that.
So and and there's a God'salways worked kind of a fear, a
holy fear, and a love for him atthe same time.
But the there's a sobernessthat goes, and Kenny, this is
getting real.
You know, I could easily gofrom here to there in a
microseconds because of simplyjust because of my age alone.

(23:58):
Correct, yeah.
Um I judge myself with a lotmore severity than I did when I
was the first Christian.
First of all, I I didn't havethe knowledge.
Uh now I have the knowledge.
I remember when Jesus hestopped the people from stoning
the woman caught in adultery,and he says, those who are
without sin cast the firststone.
And it says the older peopleleft first.

(24:18):
It's because your sense of sinand like of fulfilling God's
commands and what he wants to dois should be a lot more in your
face if you're sober-minded.
I imagine those people thatwalked away when Jesus said
that, that's probably one of thefirst times they really gave it
much thought.
That's one reason why peopledon't want the message of the
cross.

(24:38):
It nails you down.
You go in, you sit down, youthink, okay, this is who I am.
Silence then becomes a sourceof conviction and sober
judgment.
You know, scripture says to besilent when you lay on your bed.
That no TV, no iPod, nowhatever, no movies, no nothing,
no daydreaming, no whatever itis you do.
So you're laying in bed.

(25:00):
Who wants to go to bed in andof themselves to think about all
the things that they failed inor that they could have done or
sober judgment and looking atall the things that they didn't
come up to measure with God?
And yet that's exactly whatwe're called to do by the grace
of God.
This isn't a self-pity thing.
This isn't self-imposed.
I don't lay in bed and go,okay, I'm vile and I'm wicked

(25:22):
and go through all of that.
No, no, no, none of that.
You let the grace of God, thepower of God, come to you to
sober you up and to bring thingsto mind and of your heart.
You know, in the Psalms itsays, I think of your law
throughout the night.
Can we get up in the middle ofthe night?
As I get older, the olderpeople understand, got to get up

(25:42):
a little more in the middle ofthe night.
Am I conscious and thinking ofGod?
Any comments on that, Jacob?
Because you I think you cantell I'm living it.
Nope.
It makes sense.
All right.
Well, it's time to put Mr.
Jacob on the spot.
Okay.
Let's play the intro, Mr.

(26:03):
Jacob, and then I'm going to gofor you.

Speaker 16 (26:12):
It's co-host JT time.
It is Jacob time.
It's hot seat time for theco-host.
The host, Timothy, has all thefacts.
The host asks all the questionsand is elusive.
The host knows where he'sheaded, yet, no co-host whining

(26:34):
and zero complaining.
Jacob does not even have aruffled feather, but sparks
might fly.
It's Jacob time where sparkscreate loving heat.
As the good book uplifts inProverbs 27:17, as iron sharpens
iron, so one man sharpensanother.

(26:57):
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Timothy (27:10):
What do you think, Jacob?
Any comments on that?
You want to kick back at me?
You want to get revengesomewhere?

Jacob (27:16):
No, I'm just awaiting what is next.

Timothy (27:20):
Well, I'm gonna throw out some scenarios to you and
ask you what you think.
And obviously I know where I'mheaded.
So you do.
Let's go to, and you can't begoing to Grok and you can't be
double checking me while I chat.
That's cheating.
Although you do that when we'reon the phone.
Um, actually, I appreciate it.

(27:40):
Let's go to page 14 of thenotes.
I'm gonna play you an easy oneand you tell me what you think.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Never would I compromise my integrity.
Never would I compromise 28years in law enforcement for a
few folk who couldn't stand tobe held accountable and had to
do it all over again.

Speaker 4 (28:10):
So I'm going to the Bible when I say this to my
head.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
The same folks who said in that report that they
changed their numbers.
And I did not.
The report is very clear.
I did not direct anyone.
You should investigate thosefolks.

Timothy (28:36):
What you think, Jacob?
Let me have some discernmenthere.
She went to the Bible, Jacob.

Jacob (28:43):
Okay, well, you okay, so I don't even know what this is,
other than from the video, thisis this is Washington, D.C.
is the logo in the background.
So this is the I and then thethe bar below it is like the
chief resigning, or was shepushed out?
I don't even know what thestory is, but it's a wild clip,
regardless.

Timothy (29:04):
It doesn't really matter what it is.
She I hear what you're saying.
Clearly, somebody falsifiedsome reports, and she's saying
she didn't falsify the report.
Okay.
That and even the investigationsaid that she didn't falsify or
direct anybody to do so, whichis ridiculous judgment in and of
itself.
First of all, everybody below apolice chief knows exactly what

(29:25):
to do and not do without thepolice chief telling them what
to do.
You think Detective GrantMcCall didn't know that his
police chiefs, and now there'sseveral involved, could care
less if he went for SoundDoctrine Church.
In fact, they may have wantedto, but but he's not gonna go,
hey, I'm going to go for SoundDoctrine Church, so I'm going to
falsely groom somebody, andthen I'm going to make sure

(29:46):
they're run out of town.
They won't go to trial oranything because they'll plead
bargain, and then my co-uhconspirator will be able to
continue to spread around townand their reputation will be
gonna be thrown down.
You really think the policechief went, yeah, let me sign
that memo.
No, yeah, no, that that they'renot gonna have that
conversation.
All right, so that's a strawdog argument.
And can you trust somebody withthis kind of shall we say, use

(30:11):
of language and temperament?

Jacob (30:13):
Well, the other thing, if you look at that video, man,
but this is like it at first italmost sounds like a church.
You know how like because thisis there was a bunch of
preaching.
There's an African Americanpeople, and it's like this.
It's it almost you don't likeexcept for clear the clearly uh
the the cussing, this is youknow, this is almost like a

(30:34):
church setting, and the thepreacher is getting everybody
going and they're clapping andthey're hooping and they're
hollering, and then yeah,apparently but but uh F U is not
in the Bible, so you are Idon't know why we're even saying
that.

Timothy (30:50):
Well, because there's so it's not it's not almost
almost it's almost it's notalmost like a church service, it
is a church service.
Sure, yeah.
She might as well have on awoman preacher's outfit up there
in church, everybody's youknow, amen and hallelujah.
It's no different, and I'msorry to bring this back to
Detecting McCall, a littledifferent than the
self-righteousness he had todestroy other people.

(31:10):
He might as well said F U andthis he literally did.
Same attitude.
Yes, it's the same attitude.
The evidence is clear.
So this woman is this policechief is up here saying this and
acting like this, and shethinks this is proper.
Yeah.
She thinks this is whatsignifies a good police chief.
What if all the police chiefsoutwardly were like this?

(31:31):
I mean, you got warfare goingon, you got complete corruption.

Jacob (31:35):
Well, so the I a valid question, which you alluded to
earlier, is like they all havethe same attitude.
So actually, most police chiefsprobably have this attitude.
They're just not as outspokenas her.

Timothy (31:48):
You are correct.
And you know, can you provethat?

Jacob (31:52):
Uh what do you mean?
Can I prove that they're alllike that?
Well, if you're a police chief,you're because to become a
police chief nowadays, you hadto like break the law, probably
a lot of times.

Timothy (32:05):
You had to be like a dirty cop.

Jacob (32:08):
Can you prove that?

Timothy (32:10):
Uh can I prove it?
I won't keep you putting you onthe spot.
Okay.
Uh of course you can prove itbecause nobody denounced her.
No police chief denounced her,no police union denounced her,
nobody in law enforcement, nolawyers, no prosecutors, nobody
said this is wrong.

Jacob (32:28):
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
Oh, oh, yeah.
This, okay, yeah.

Timothy (32:31):
Which means you tolerate it.
Which means you do it.

Jacob (32:33):
Yeah.

Timothy (32:34):
Uh the whole why do you think Detective McCall is not
in prison right now?
Because all the prosecutors andall the judges are doing the
exact same thing he's doing.
They just mask it up a little.
They just I my I didn't signoff on it.
The report said this.
They all play the game that I'mnot responsible.
This isn't part of my I no oneno investigation was done.

(32:54):
So King County prosecutors andGovernor Ferguson, all these
people can just say, well, wedidn't find anything.
Well, you didn't go look.
It's absurd.
Let's read the scripturebecause that's our main focus
here, and I want us to notice acouple things.
Let's go to Colossians chapter3, verses 8 through 10, and read
the first part about filthylanguage, Jacob.
So just that clearly that's notmy interpretation.

(33:17):
That's just what it says.
Colossians 3 8.
Go ahead and read that.

Jacob (33:22):
But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as

these (33:26):
anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language
from your lips.

Timothy (33:33):
Okay, how many of those aspects did this police?

Jacob (33:37):
Yeah, she did all of them.
She's angry, she's rage.

Timothy (33:40):
She's one out waving her arms, uh anger, rage,
malice, slander.
Slander.
Yep.
And filthy language.
Yep.
All right.
So remember how we look at thecontext of scripture?
What's the next line?
So if you have rage and angerand malice and slander, what

(34:02):
follows right along with it?
You remember the if you go lookat the uh Detective McCall
video, what did they spend theirtime doing?
Talking about sexual stuff overthe police uh radio and all
kinds of crude things andlanguage, correct?

Speaker 14 (34:17):
Correct.

Timothy (34:18):
So when you see that fruit, I remember there was a
lot of talk by Detective GrantMcCall about a fruit.
I don't recall having anger,rage, malice, slander, and
filthy language from my lips.
Jacob, any of that?
No.
Any sermons you can pull up andgo, I've got enemies out there.
And you know what?
You know, to all my enemies.

(34:38):
And I'm gonna go to the Biblehere.
All my enemies?
Well, guess what?
You bad language, bad language,right.
Oh, yeah.
That that lingers in my heartand on my lips?
Don't think so.

Jacob (34:49):
If they did, they would have brought those tapes in, but
there were no tapes.

Timothy (34:53):
Well, if I did, Jacob, they wouldn't have prosecuted
us.
Oh, yeah, that's true,actually.
Yeah.
I'd have been part of theworld, I'd have been acceptable,
but because we were righteous,Judge Laurie K.
Smith couldn't stand beingrebuked.
Intrinsically, they knew thisto be true and Satan owns them,
but I don't want to get too farinto this.
Okay, so we have anger, rage,malice, slander, filthy language

(35:15):
from your lips, right?
What comes next?
What resides with that kind ofimpure, unclean spirit in a
person's life?
Read Colossians 3 9 and let'ssee what it says.

Jacob (35:31):
Do not lie to each other since you have taken off your
old self with its practices.

Timothy (35:37):
Oh, when you have all of those things, rage, anger,
and you may not have thevocalization that this woman
does, but I mean people arewalking around with rage and
anger, malice and slander.
I mean, that's where the hatecrying comes from.
I mean, you can read the letterthat the co inspir
co-conspirator wrote before shewent on her little rampage.

(35:58):
It was full of slander, maliceand so on.
All right, so what languagethen do they speak?
Verse 9, Jacob.
Lying.
That's it.
They lie.
They absolutely lie.
Do not lie to each other sinceyou have taken off your old self
with its practices.
I wish we had time to talkabout old self, new self.
What it means is if you're bornagain, if you're a Christian,

(36:22):
if you're a disciple of Jesus,you're supposed to be having the
new image of Christ whatdoesn't have anger, rage,
malice, slander, lying, or anyof impure things.
It's it's really that simple agospel.
I don't know why people thinkthis sermon isn't all you're
judgmental.
Like really, it takes a rocketscientist to look at this video

(36:43):
and go, uh, you know, you maynot be a Christian.
You may want to sit down with alittle sober judgment and
reconsider what you're sayingthere.
Yeah.
All right.
That was an easy one.
And you passed just fine.
Okay.
Well, let's go to the next one.
Now, of course, by setting thisup, you know I'm off on some

(37:04):
other angle.
But let's play this and youtell me whether this judge was
right or wrong.

Jacob (37:13):
Disabled veteran in wheelchair couldn't feed his
kids.
Judge's words made everyonecry.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Sergeant Morrison, you lost both legs serving this
country.
You couldn't work, and yourdisability payments were delayed
for two years.
You stole food because the VAfailed you.
All charges are dismissed.

Timothy (37:27):
Okay, Jacob.
Now there's one more just kindof like it, but play it next,
and then we'll discuss it.

Speaker 11 (37:33):
Okay.
This veteran stole a sleepingbag from Walmart.
Expecting a fine he can'tafford, what the judge did next
shocked everyone.

Speaker 9 (37:40):
Sergeant Grant, you serve this country with honor.

Speaker 11 (37:43):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 9 (37:44):
Regarding this theft charge, all counts are
dismissed.
Housing and treatment startnow.
You defended us.
Now we defend you.

Speaker 5 (37:53):
Thank you.
Thank you.

Timothy (37:55):
Right or wrong, Jacob.
Uh wrong.
Why is it wrong?
These people were in greatneed.
They needed food, I think wasthe first one.
Second was a sleeping bag tokeep warm.
So they stole because theydidn't have any money, and one
guy had lost his legs.
And I'm not trying to makelight of that, so don't anybody
think that the way I'm talkingthat I'm doing that.

(38:17):
Um why is it wrong?

Jacob (38:21):
Well, first off, how come this is actually uh kind of a
side note, but well, everybodyglorifies these veterans,
everybody like so somehow thisis an excuse.
This is not an acceptableexcuse, like because you serve
this country, we're gonna giveyou a pass.
But well, but but the also thehypocrisy to me is so if if it

(38:45):
was the same dude who wasn't aveteran, then the judge won't
have any mercy on you.
I mean, if the judge is gonnahave mercy, you can have mercy,
but but you I don't think youshould be tying in this because
you're a veteran, you get thepass.

Timothy (39:00):
You made some actually excellent points that I wasn't
going to go for, but uh verygood point.
Well, let's read Proverbs 6,verses 30 and 31.
I'll let you read that.
This is what God, the livingGod, the loving God, the holy
God, tells us that should bedone.
Proverbs chapter six, versesthirty through thirty-one.

Jacob (39:25):
Uh I'm reading it.
Yes, sir.
Men do not despise a thief ifhe steals to satisfy his hunger
when he is starving.
Yet if he is caught, he mustpay sevenfold, though it cost
him all the wealth of his house.
Now, is there any ouch factorto you when you read this?

(39:47):
That's an ouch, sevenfold.
That means the dude has to giveback seven sleeping bags.

Timothy (39:54):
Well, and though it cost him all the wealth of his
house.

Jacob (40:00):
So that would be anybody under his roof.
He's got to go take stuff fromhis like own family to pay this
back.

Timothy (40:08):
Sure.
He's out.
Let's just say he's out on thestreet, doesn't have a family,
steals a sleeping bag, policecome, judge rules.
Hey, I understand.
I'm not looking down on you oranything like that, but now
you're gonna have to pay it backsevenfold.
So the sleeping bag, let'slet's do a cheap one.
It's a Walmart, what, 40 buckswould work?

Jacob (40:26):
Uh 20 bucks.
You can buy a cheap sleepingbag for 25 bucks.
25 bucks will get you a Walmartsleeping bag.

Timothy (40:31):
So that would be sevenfold times 20.
I'm gonna see how good yourmath is.

Jacob (40:35):
Uh well that's over, I don't know, over $140.
No, that's a lot.
So far, you're doing well.

Timothy (40:41):
Yeah, $140.
Yeah.
Um and then, though it costshim all the wealth of his house,
because what do they usuallytack on?
Court costs, this cost, thenrehabilitation costs, teaching
costs.
So it's literally going to costhim everything he has because
he stole a sleeping bag.

Jacob (41:00):
But there is an if.
It says, yet if he is caught.

Timothy (41:06):
So if you're not caught.
So you're saying what scripturesays is saying don't get
caught.

Jacob (41:12):
I'm not saying but but okay, but if you're giving you a
hard time, at 630, you're notsupposed to despise them.
So you can't like you can'tdespise them.
You can't be bitter and justhate on them forever.
Is the first part.

Timothy (41:25):
Yeah, you don't well, you don't look down on them.
You know, it's not like well,most judges, if you weren't the
veteran and they weren't feelingsorry for you, they're gonna
say, I'm gonna throw the book atyou.
You're a vile criminal, you'rea molester, you do all these
things.
By the way, as a little subnote, you know how I know that
all prosecutors are going tohell?
It's not that hard.

(41:46):
We're supposed to treat othersas we would want to be treated.
Correct.
So every pro every prosecutor,if he were put on trial, would
he want to be treated, or she,be treated as he has treated
other people?
No.
Side note.
So that this is not rocketscience.
They're going to hell becauseof their impure.
Anyway, so is God beingunloving here?

(42:07):
Is he being mean?
Because you know, when I when Iread I was watching this and I
go, you know, first there wasthat touch of, oh yeah, man, you
know.
And then the scriptures comeinto mind, and guys go, whoa,
whoa, yeah, what's going onhere?
So is God being mean andunloving?
What what's what's heaccomplishing here?

Jacob (42:28):
Uh well, he's clearly wanting to teach uh thieves a
lesson.

Timothy (42:34):
You know, and I don't blame you for thinking that way
because we live in a societywhere we think prosecutors are
the holy priests of the law.
So we think the solution toeverything is prosecution.
It's not what God is doinghere, let's just say this was
the law of the land.
Society would change.

(42:55):
Oh, yes.

Jacob (42:56):
Okay, so back back it wouldn't be coming up.
Yeah, well, even back toProverbs 630.
The scenario there is you'renot supposed to look down on
them when he's hungry and he'sstarving.
So, I mean, even these peoplethat stole a sleeping bag, stole
whatever, like, can theyhonestly lift up their hand and
be like, oh yeah, I totally Iwas like starving, or like I was

(43:16):
freezing to death because I'mhomeless and I went into Walmart
and stole the sleeping bag?
Or did this dude just steal it?
Like, what were thecircumstances around these two
veterans stealing?
Were they actually starving?
Okay.
Because you can go to a foodbank and they're gonna give you
food.

Timothy (43:33):
I I'm kind of chuckling.
Okay, Jacob, drop theprosecutor talk.
Oh, okay.
And let's because I'm notsaying you're wrong in what
you're saying.
Focus in on how would societylook different if this were the
law of the land?
Well, yeah, people they theywould think twice before
stealing.
Okay, now get past the proseOkay again, I I put you on the

(43:55):
spot.
Get past the prosecutor part.
What what what how wouldsociety be different?
What would happen is society asa whole would see somebody
that's starving or see somebodyhomeless and go, man, I don't
want them having to paysevenfold to pay a deeper.

(44:18):
It would increase sympathy forthe person that's in need.
Sure.
And you wouldn't want them togo, would you want if you're a
soft society, and that's what Isay this would create.
Obviously, it can be pervertedup.
That's what we see in pr inprosecutors.
But the the point would be morethan just punishment, it would
be like you would see a homelessperson or you'd see somebody

(44:40):
that's hungry and starving, youwould be more apt to reach out
to them.
You don't want them pushingthem to that point.
Sure.
That that's the whole point, isthat not that we go around
saying people need to be hungry,they need to be starving, and
then do whatever.
No, you you would startarranging things.
Now you bring up a good point.

(45:00):
There are food banks for allkinds of things.
It's hard to believe youcouldn't go get a sleeping bag
somewhere.
What I'm really pushing towardand seeing here is that because
we are coddling this behavior,it'd have been one thing if the
judge said, okay, look, I'm notgonna send you to prison, I'm
not gonna do that, but you'regonna have to pay it back.
And you'll notice in each ofthese cases they give them free

(45:21):
food and they give them freeplace to live.
Well, what does that increasethen?
It increases lawlessness.
Well, if I go steal, or if I godo this, I'm gonna wind up
getting free home care, and I'mgoing to wind up getting what?
Free food.
So there's no sense ofresponsibility here that these

(45:41):
things are wrong.
Correct.
It actually being illegal thenbecomes a means to getting what
you want.
Yes.
So it's counterproductive.
Yeah.
And we've got this misplacedsympathy.
We either get the prosecutionangle, vengeance, go for them,
or we get, oh, that's so bad.
That's so and we're seeing thatreflect in how children are

(46:02):
raised.
There's there's no sense ofbringing people under this one.
We'll actually get to that herein just a moment.
All right, let's go to Did Ianswer that, or is that kind of
clear?
I want to build on that somemore.
It's clear.
It would also make that theperson that's homeless would go,
well, you know what?
I don't want to go to work campbecause that's actually what
should happen.

(46:23):
You know, the veteran comes in,somebody goes, and you put them
to work.
You give people a sense ofwhatever.
There can be a touch ofpunishment about it.
That's the purpose of it, toteach them the responsible, to
sober them up.
Nothing helps a scattered brainthat is mentally on the verge
of introducing discipline, notdrugs, not medication, but an

(46:44):
actual self-disciplined life.
Remember, Mr.
Bob Ferguson?
They'd also would listen to thegospel more.
They'd pay attention.
I'm not telling you theirmotives would be exactly right,
but they might respond to God.
Because what's missing throughall of this?
Did the guy pray?
Did they ask?
Sometimes God allows poverty,he allows difficulties to get
men to cry out to him.

(47:04):
So God is laying down thiswall, so to speak, this
perimeter that's that is reallyscreaming and saying, seek me
for all things.
I will take care of you, I willdo whatever.
Don't resort to stealing, don'tdo all of these other things.
But there's no sense of cryingout to God.
You couldn't even introducethat in the courtroom if you
wanted to.

Speaker 14 (47:24):
Correct.

Timothy (47:26):
Churches then might get so busy, you know, not praising
God and having good time andall their constants and all the
other new David cartoons and allmake America great again.
To realize if a man had to gointo these situations, you might
be more apt to actually seethat society has changed.
Again, am I being clear?
I know I'm kind of repeatingmyself, but this is not

(47:46):
something that's unloving.
This is actually a very lovingthing to do.
Part of the problem is Satanuses the government to make
discipline seem evil and vile.

Speaker 14 (47:59):
Yeah.

Timothy (48:00):
We see that in our children.
You cannot raise them withself-discipline anymore without
the government destroying thehome.
We'll get into that maybe alittle bit today.
All right.
Let's read on a little bit.
Uh go ahead and play the uhnext clip there, Jacob, the way
file.
Steal repay.
And let's look at the again thecontext here of what God is

(48:23):
saying about paying sevenfoldand consequences and things like
that.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Proverbs chapter six, verses nine through through
thirty-five.
So is he who sleeps withanother man's wife.
No one who touches her will gounpunished.
Men do not despise a thief ifhe steals to satisfy his hunger
when he is starving.
Yet if he is caught, he mustpay for the Okay, hang on, let's
pause it right there.

Timothy (48:48):
I know I'm interrupting you.
Did you catch that first versein 29?
Uh okay.
So is he reading two differentverses?
No, this is 629.
Yeah, you go to 629, and thenit's gonna just keep going down
the line.
So he who sleeps with anotherman's wife.
Nobody disagrees with that.
No one who does so will gounpunished, correct?
Correct.

(49:08):
And then what does it go into?

Jacob (49:11):
Uh the verse we just did about killing.

Timothy (49:14):
So we're seeing context a lot within scripture where
it's like sandwiched in themiddle.
Like, I don't know whetheranybody obeys it or not anymore,
but yeah, you know, you sleepwith another man's wife, you
will be punished.
And then in the next breath isif you steal bread, if you steal
because you're starving, lookat what he's put next to each
other as if they were equal.

(49:36):
So there's a wisdom here,there's a love here.
You have to have these, youknow, if and I don't even read
Forman Society, but if you hadthe laws that were tight, that
were fair, and that were just,people would understand I don't
cross this line.
Now, or if I do, I'm going tobe punished.

(49:58):
I mean, it becomes prettyclear.
All right, keep reading it,let's go on, and we're again
we're just kind of looking atthe full context here.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yet if he is caught, he must pay sevenfold, though it
costs him all the wealth of hishouse.
But a man who commits adulterylacks judgment.
Whoever does so just hang on.

Timothy (50:15):
What what did what did we just go from, Jacob?
Another man's wife stealing andnow adultery.
He's right back to it.
Look at what look at what issqueezed in there.
It's is not God trying to say,look, this is as serious as
committing adultery.

Speaker 14 (50:31):
Yes.

Timothy (50:32):
Go ahead.
I'll repeat that again.
It's as serious as committingadultery.
Now I know to most people thatdoesn't really mean much
anymore.
No.
And you can see why.
If stealing, if you'restarving, or you're taking a
sleeping bag becomes this plotfor sympathy, then adultery
becomes this.
Well, it was like a judgment,or I wasn't being fulfilled at

(50:53):
home, or things really bad, orthe government says, oh, well,
you can divorce your husband andyou can take all of his money.
We we see this going on thatsociety has become liberalized,
soft.
There's no narrow road or gatethat keeps the cohesiveness of
the family and life intact.
And so what are we seeing?

(51:13):
We're seeing Somalis.
Nine billion dollars.
What happens when we have thismisplaced sympathy is nine
billion dollars in one state.
And that's not even countingall the other billions.
By the time you're done, youlook back and you go, man,
everybody's just stealing.
Yeah.
All right, keep going.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Whoever does so destroys himself.
Blows and disgrace are his lot,and his shame will never be
wiped away.
For jealousy arouses ahusband's fury, and he will show
no mercy when he takes revenge.
He will not accept anycompensation.
He will refuse the bribe,however great it is.

Timothy (51:57):
Alright, amen on that, Jacob.
Amen.
Alright, so we have a societynow where it's illegal to
discipline your children.
No mistake about it.
I mean, they have a lot of lawsin the book, but there's a lot
of the termites come in todestroy the family.
I'm kind of shocked as I watchwhat's going on that any
discipline.

(52:17):
I mean, any when I saydiscipline, I don't mean like
punishment discipline.
I mean just discipline pickingup your room or thinking
straight or saying no to thesethings over here.
I mean, we were prosecuted,literally prosecuted by King
County prosecutors forattempting for someone to be
taught to do chores in thehouse.

(52:38):
Nuts.
It's because we've let go ofall principles, which means we
see that within prosecutors andjudges.
I mean, the law doesn't meananything anymore.

Speaker 14 (52:48):
Correct.

Timothy (52:49):
Literally, I mean, when Judge Laurie K.
Smith did a there was nothingthat reflected the law.
There was a reflection of whatshe could get by with.
Correct.
But there was no lawfulnessabout what she was doing.
All right.
Anything else?
Because I've been talking fastand kind of over ya.
Nope.
Okay, so far you're holdingyour own now.
You're at a swimming pool.

Speaker 14 (53:11):
Okay.

Timothy (53:12):
Your kid's out there and it's swimming and having a
good time.
Another another boy comes overand dunks your little girl, puts
your daughter underwater forfour or five seconds.
Um, and you're kind of watchingthis go on, you know, hoping,
okay, I hope it stops, but itjust it continues on, and then
eventually you do get fed up.

(53:33):
I mean, the the the kid stops,but you you're upset, right?

Speaker 14 (53:36):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.

Timothy (53:37):
R rightly so.

Speaker 14 (53:38):
Mm-hmm.
Okay.

Timothy (53:40):
Would you be upset that watching a really essentially a
bully push your daughterunderneath the water?

Jacob (53:46):
Uh sure.
I would tell the kid to knockit off.
You would?
Sure.
Uh-uh.
Well, if she's if she's like ifshe's if he's legitimately, and
I I I wouldn't exaggerate, likehe I wouldn't be like, well, he
drowned my daughter, or he wasattempting to drown, but even if
it was even if it was my ownchildren horseplane, right?
Like I would get onto my ownson if he was rough and like,

(54:09):
you know, endangering somebody.

Timothy (54:11):
Yeah, if he was going too far.
Yeah, if you're going too far.
Yeah.
Clearly, th this kid was goingtoo far.
Whatever that means, orwhatever the judgment is, the
the boy was dunking, well,whatever the child.
I don't know whether thechild's a man, woman, boy, or
whatever.
So it was just going on toofar.
Clearly, it was now and youkind of bring up a good point.
I mean, the parent on the side,the other kids dunking.

(54:32):
Is it horseplay?
Is he flirting?
Is he, you know, just doingwhat kids do?
Um and then parent because bothparents are can can be
oversensitive kind of routinewhere we don't allow any
splashing in the world to comeagainst somebody.
So I'm assuming it's kind ofnormal.
I'm also assuming that theone's the boy and he's just
being a bully, and that's justhow it's happening, right?

(54:55):
Mm-hmm.
All right.
So how would you handle that?
You you you turn to the kid, orhow should it be handled?
Let me I don't want to put youon the spot.
How should it be handled?
What would be a good way ofteaching the bully kid not to
dunk somebody under the water?

Jacob (55:13):
Uh well nowadays I'm I'm not going to intervene to get on
to somebody else's kid.
I would I would seek to stopthe behavior so that my daughter
doesn't just inhale a bunch ofwater and start coughing
everywhere.
But I'm, you know, you are wealready said, like, society does
not let you disciplinechildren.

(55:33):
I'm not gonna go after thiskid.
Well then how are you gonnastop it?
Well, if he if he likephysically continues to do it
over and over again, I willcertainly, if I have to
physically intervene verycarefully in a non-aggressive
behavior, but you know what Imean?
Like if you have to get inbetween the bully and my child

(55:56):
so so that he doesn't keepdunking her.

Timothy (56:00):
There's nothing that you're saying is wrong.
I'm even going, yeah, youbetter not between the bully and
the kid.

Jacob (56:05):
By the way, you know, any any pool, a public pool has a
lifeguard, so then hopefully thelifeguard would intervene and
do their job, that's literallytheir job, lifeguarding the pool
so that the little rat doesn'tkeep dunking people.

Timothy (56:18):
Well, the lifeguard can't do that because as we saw
a couple podcasts back, he'd getfired for bullying the bully.

Jacob (56:26):
Well, he he he was charged because I know don't go
to that button.
But you never know when you'regonna be arrested.
The cops are gonna show up.
You do never know.
Well, hopefully, well, see,that that kid did do his job,
then he was just arrested fordoing his job.

Timothy (56:39):
But anyways, well you're being a you're being a
good father, and you you you goout and you get in between,
you're gonna be arrested.
You touch the other kid.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Jacob (56:49):
Whoa, whoa, no, no, no.
I never said I touched the kid.
Well I never said I saidinterviewing.
I said I said get in betweendid I say get in between?
I never said I touched him.
So like if if uh you couldphysically hang on, hang on.

Timothy (57:01):
Well, you can't have a perfect scenario.
I know.

Jacob (57:04):
Realistically, let's say.

Timothy (57:05):
But you can't, you can't you can't wrap me into
your perfect scenario.
Hey, I'm not playingprosecutor, I'm not lying about
what you're doing.
Look, if the kid is dunkingyour daughter and you're gonna
get in between that, you somehowyou're gonna bump in the kid.
He's either gonna slap you bymistake or whatever.

Jacob (57:20):
Well, well, even nowadays, public school teachers
they teach you to like, youknow, you don't physically touch
them with your hands.
You like literally this is thething, you know, like you side
you side-bump them, so you justphysically put your body in
between them and whateverthey're like kicking or
screaming.

Timothy (57:36):
Well, there's real techniques.
I've seen that.
I'm telling, I'm telling you,you could you could be arrested
for Oh, I understand.
You could be arrested for that.
You could be arrested foranything.
Okay, that this is how nuts theworld is.
Uh you're kind of proving mypoint.
Um Okay.

Jacob (57:54):
Um if it was well, be but also though, because well, you
asked me, I think, what would Ieventually do?
If the situation was continuingto escalate, I would leave the
pool.
I because I am not lookingnowadays to get involved, again,
in discipline or scolding, oryou know what I mean?
Like, well, here's the problem.

Timothy (58:13):
Then you've taught that little bully boy to grow up to
be a police officer or a judgeor a prosecutor.
They've learned they can justtorment anybody they want.
There's no consequences.
There's no problem.

Jacob (58:26):
Their parents already then raised the kid to be that
way.
So if I can't.

Timothy (58:30):
But you reinforced it.
You and this kid will now growup to be uh a mean prosecutor as
if there were nice prosecutors.
A mean prosecutor.
Or a cop.

Jacob (58:38):
Well, you'll think all prosecutors are going to hell,
so I I you're you're condemningthis kid already.

Timothy (58:45):
Well, I'm just if he's gonna grow up to be a
prosecutor, well, he's not gonnagrow up to be a meek, mild
bully.
Oh, well, it'd be worse.
He'd become a social worker orwhatever.
He'll go to a power situation.
Again, this is no laughingmatter about prosecutors going
to hell, so I don't want to turnthat into a light thing, but I
hear what you're saying.

(59:06):
What uh at a minimum, the bullychild's gonna grow up to think
parents are worthless, and asJesus promised, they'll turn in
their parents.
But let's get into the scenarioof what's going on here.
Go ahead and play the WAV filethat will describe what's going
on because it's more amazingthan you realize.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Go for it.
A woman accused of forciblysubmerging a six-year-old boy in
a Florida hotel pool is aformer law enforcement officer
who had previously addressedstudents about the risks of
bullying, according to reports.
Tiffany Lee Griffith, 36 fromFort Myers, was arrested earlier
this month and charged withaggravated child abuse following

(59:50):
the alleged incident at theGaylord Palms Resort and
Convention Center in Kissimmee,as reported by the Osceola
County Sheriff's Office.
It occurred shortly after 4 30p.m.
on December 19th, when threechildren were playing in the
resort's swimming pool,authorities stated.
Investigators reported thatGriffith's son had been dunked

(01:00:12):
underwater by the six-year-oldboy, leading Griffith to enter
the pool and confront him.
The Osceola County Sheriff'sOffice detailed the suspect,
identified as 36-year-oldTiffany Lee Griffith of Fort
Myers, entered the pool andyelled at a six-year-old boy
after he allegedly dunked hersix-year-old son underwater.

(01:00:35):
The suspect then placed herhands on the victim's shoulders
and forcibly dunked himunderwater for several seconds.
Following the incident, thechild emerged from the pool
visibly distressed and with anosebleed.
He informed his parents aboutwhat had happened, according to
law enforcement reports.
Griffith proceeded to yell atthe boy's mother before

(01:00:57):
departing the area.
Authorities later found andarrested her.
Griffith later revealed topolice that she is a former law
enforcement officer, havingserved with the Punta Gorda
Police Department from 2013 to2018 under the name Tiffany Lee
Viola, as reported by WPBF 25News.

(01:01:20):
During her service, she workedas a school resource officer.
Posts on the Punta Gorda PoliceDepartment's Facebook page
highlight her efforts ineducating students on topics
such as bullying, sexting, andinternet safety.
One post mentioned that she wasteaching a course to high
school freshmen regarding theadverse effects of bullying and

(01:01:41):
sexting, as well as commoncrimes involving high school
students.
In 2016, she was also honoredas the department's employee of
the quarter, according to WPBF25 News.
Griffith was taken into custodyat the Osceola County Jail and
later released on a 20,000 Osan,as reported by WPBF 25 News.

(01:02:04):
The Punta Gorda PoliceDepartment, Osceola County
Sheriff's Office, and GaylordHotels have not yet responded to
requests for comment from FoxNews Digital.

Jacob (01:02:16):
Okay, so this lady, her uh again, and and and when you
were asking me, like, I'm nottouching this kid.
She does this dunking.

Timothy (01:02:25):
You're gonna let your little girl drown?
No, but she's she'sretaliating.

Jacob (01:02:29):
It's one thing to like get onto the kid and scold him,
then she places her hands on himand dunks him.
This is the most childish thingever, though.
Why are you retaliating againstthe six-year-old?
He's six.

Timothy (01:02:45):
Interesting.

Jacob (01:02:47):
Why are she she she dunked him?
She held him underwater.
So then you can't do that,especially in today's society.
It's one thing if it's the1950s, but she and she
supposedly has been trained inlike anti-bullying techniques
when she was a police officer.
There's no way, oh yeah, whenyou're being bullied, bullied

(01:03:08):
back?

Timothy (01:03:11):
Interesting.
You are a product of the age.
Oh, okay.
No, what she did is what sheshould have done.
Okay.

Jacob (01:03:21):
Well, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I'm not but but in today'ssociety.

Timothy (01:03:26):
Okay, hang on, hang on.
We're talking about what shouldhave been done.

Jacob (01:03:31):
Oh, okay.
Well that was I don't know ifyou asked that question, but
anyway.

Timothy (01:03:35):
Well, no, I got your first reaction.
Look, what she did was proper.
Sure.
What she did was good.
It was two and a half seconds.
Yeah.
Two and a half seconds.
You cannot, scripture says youcannot discipline your servant
just with words.
The the bully needed to betaught what it felt like.

(01:03:55):
You're not going to be able tothey it's not like they even
pulled the bully from the sideof the pool, set him down and
said, you know, stop bullying,you know, stop tormenting other
little girls, treat them withrespect.
It was too much.
You can't do that to a child.
You look, if the the guy thatsteals a sleeping bag has to pay

(01:04:15):
the price, or he steals foodand he's got to pay the price,
the way you avoid that kind oflawlessness is you teach a child
when two and a half secondsunderwater is nothing.

Speaker 14 (01:04:28):
Correct.

Timothy (01:04:28):
But it but it is significant to the child.
It teaches the child what itfeels like, it creates empathy,
it creates love for otherpeople, it says there are
consequences to what you weredoing, and you're not to do that
and see how it feels.
The what she did was absolutelyproper, what needed to be done.
But she's charged withaggravated child abuse and has

(01:04:53):
to post a $20,000 bond, and thepolice and sheriffs went looking
for her because she taught abully of what it feels like to
bully other people.
Yeah.
Now, you come back at me, butyour first reaction is a product
of society.
I understand what you'resaying, a couple of things.

(01:05:14):
One is, well, yeah, you can'tdo it.
Well, which is obviously veryclear.
The woman's arrested, she'sgoing to be, but what I'm
telling you is that's absurd.
That kid is going to grow up tobe a vile individual in society
because that tile, that childis taught that I can do whatever
I want to other people.
I can be a bully at everylevel, and the police and

(01:05:37):
prosecutors are going to punishthe person that I'm bullying.
Because the child wasn't justbullying the other child.
The child was bullying theparent that was at the pool.
That bully knew what he wasdoing.
It's not like he's justbullying and he's just got the
girl in mind.
He knows he this is an affrontto what should be done.

(01:05:59):
There's just no way.

Jacob (01:06:00):
Yeah.

Timothy (01:06:01):
Your thoughts or anything?
Now come back at me on all ofthis.

Jacob (01:06:04):
I oh no, I totally agree with your point because it says
when the boy emerged from thewater, he was allegedly visibly
upset and had a nosebleed.
I don't know how he got thenosebleed, but yeah, he was
visibly shaken because that'swhat it feels like to be dunked
underwater.
I totally get what you'resaying.
I mean, this is a classic,like, what's wrong with society

(01:06:24):
in America today, which isexactly what you said.
The little kid is a littlemonster that gets away with it,
and he can whine to his mommy,and then boom, arrests happen.
Yes, this is a crazy extreme.

Timothy (01:06:37):
And the nose blow the nosebleed is easy to explain.
When you're in the pool in thewater and you take a little
bully and you put him on for twoseconds, it's the end of the
world for the bully.
And so emotionally, and hisblood is flowing and everything,
and then his nose begins tobleed.
Oh, no, mommy, I'm dying.
And then think about it.
His parents, or whoever theguardians are, went off to file
the find the police, filed apolice report, they hunt her

(01:07:00):
down.
You know, one of the reasons inthis country we have way too
much injustice going on isbecause believe it or not, these
prosecutors and police have waytoo much time.
Well, yeah, I know.

Jacob (01:07:11):
The police officers, who who even took down, like who
even who even filed it?
You know what I mean?
The police so the whiningparents come and they're like,
we want to report a crime.
And they're like, whathappened, man?
And then they tell the story,and the police officer actually
like takes down all thisinformation and actually pushes
this thing through.
It's like, really?
And what state is this in,Jacob?

(01:07:34):
This is in Florida.

Timothy (01:07:36):
Florida, Ron DeSantes, or whatever his name.
There's one good thing aboutthe Trump uh election was is Mr.
DeSantes did not get electedbecause he's a former
prosecutor.
Yes, he is.
Look at this nonsense.
He's all for law and order.
This is counterproductive.
If you want people respectingeach other, well, I could go on

(01:07:56):
and on.
It's not going to change, andit's only going to get worse.
So don't be surprised, parents,and I'm not giving parental
advice.
Yeah, I mean, your firstreaction about, well, you can't
do this in today's society,you'll be that's absolutely
correct.
So I'm not telling anybody todiscipline their kid.
I'm just letting you know thisis where it's headed.

Jacob (01:08:13):
Yes.
Well, and also I I'm just sortof paraphrasing that.
I mean, I I you can'tdiscipline somebody else's kid
in today's society.

Timothy (01:08:23):
No, not unless you're a minority group.
And they do talk about thatthey can and will do so.
Uh unfortunately, this woman'swhite, which means okay, so then
it's even worse.
Yep.
Jacob, let's go to Proverbschapter 29, verse 19.
So we can read this and peoplecan be sure I'm not making it
up.
Proverbs 29, 19.

(01:08:44):
It says a servant cannot becorrected by mere words.
You know, if words work, thenwhy do the sheriffs carry guns?

Jacob (01:08:54):
Um, well, they're powerful.

Timothy (01:08:57):
If words work, what do we need prisons for?
We don't even need prosecutors.
You just talk to them.

Jacob (01:09:02):
Yeah.

Timothy (01:09:03):
You know, actually, isn't that what we're seeing?
You have a whole generation ofkids being raised with just
words.
Yes and so we're seeing thecriminal element just take over
the country.
And there's this kind of thislittle contest between those
that want to keep to the letterof the law and those that just,
well, the law is meaningless.

(01:09:23):
Even the current mayor wants tohave social workers come in,
get rid of police.
This whole movement is a resultof just playing two words.
Yeah.
Um, Jordan Peterson does it.
All these psychologicalairheads come in and say, Oh,
just talk to your kid, pull himaside.
We've kind of discussed thisbefore.
Yeah.
You can't, if that worked,again, I interrupted you, if

(01:09:45):
mere words worked, then thesheriffs that went and arrested
her do not need guns or tasersor anything else, right?

Speaker 14 (01:09:53):
Correct.

Timothy (01:09:54):
We just talk to the cartels.
Yes.
And they'll stop doing whatthey're doing because you've
reasoned with them.
A servant cannot be correctedby mere words, though he
understands.
It's not like they don'tunderstand what you're telling.
No, don't bully, don't take thepoor little girl and dunk her
under the water and all thatstuff.
He'd understand what you'retelling him, but he will not

(01:10:17):
respond.
It's not human nature, it's notwho we are, it's not this what
the sinful nature is about.
There have to be consequences.

And here's the deal (01:10:24):
the sooner you teach that, the less likely
you got to do it when they getolder.

Speaker 14 (01:10:30):
Correct.

Timothy (01:10:32):
All right.
Now, before we start feelingsorry for Miss Griffith, right?
I mean, she's, you know,$20,000 bond.
She's arrested.
It's aggravated child abuse.
Why is all of that meaningless?
What, arresting her?
Yeah, arresting her, the$20,000 bond, the hunting her
down.
Why is all this at the end ofthe day completely meaningless?

Jacob (01:10:55):
Well, just like talking to the child won't fix anything.
Arresting her won't fixanything either.

Timothy (01:11:01):
Wrong, turkey brats.
Oh, it's gonna fix everything?
It's because she's apolicewoman.

Jacob (01:11:06):
Oh, she's a formal, she's a former police officer.

Timothy (01:11:10):
It doesn't matter.
She's gonna get specialtreatment, eventually it's gonna
go away, her record will becleared.
Oh, yeah.
They'll be sponged.
They will not be, she will notbe treated the same way the rest
of us would be treated.

Jacob (01:11:24):
Well, she well, actually, to be fair though, I mean, sh
they did actually arrest her.
They gotta go through thehoops.
Oh, okay.

Timothy (01:11:32):
The the sheriffs aren't, you know, they I'm look,
can you imagine the parentsthat are raising this child?
He's not a bully for no reasonat all.
Correct.
So they're whining, they'recomplaining, plus what do you
want to bet there's lawsuitmoney in the horizon on this
thing.
This thing's not over with.
This kid's gonna learn a veryvaluable lesson.
I can be a bully, and there's aprofit to it.

(01:11:53):
Yes.
All right.
Now, I I may be wrong.
I they may be showing nofavoritism by the judge and the
police and social service,whoever gets involved in this
little thing, because uh I Ifind it very hard to believe
that at the end of the day, thisis not they're not gonna go
easy on her because they do itall the time.
Sure.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

Jacob (01:12:14):
Uh I don't know.
I we'll have to see.
See, I I think that's a prettyheavy-handed blow to arrest her,
book her in jail, the $20,000just to get out.
I mean, it wasn't like, oh, youonly got to pay a thousand
bucks.
It's pretty heavy handed.
As of up until this point, ithas been heavy-handed.

Timothy (01:12:32):
Okay, I'm gonna say it's all for show and we'll call
it even more.

Jacob (01:12:34):
Well, and that may be true, but currently they're
treating her like a horriblecriminal.

Timothy (01:12:40):
Oh, well, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Uh the rest of us would be inthe I she may be in the
newspaper.
Here, here's the main thing.
This woman, she's watching her,I assume it's her daughter,
whatever, being picked on in thepaper.
It was two boys.

Jacob (01:12:52):
No, it was two boys.

Timothy (01:12:52):
A boy against a boy.
Two boys.
Oh man, that's even like morepathetic.
Let them let them wrestle itout.
Yeah, exactly.
Um whatever.
Someday they're gonna be in themilitary.
Yeah, right.
Um I mean, what a joke.
Yeah.
Um, oh, where was I going withthat?
You took my point away, butit's not worth making.
Oh, I know.
She's sitting there watchingthis happen.

(01:13:13):
And look at all the trainingshe had, and she taught other
classes, and she was likepolicewoman of the year,
whatever, right?
Yeah.
It dawned on her.
It like that, I'm sure there'sthis microsecond that all those
words, all that yakity yak, andall that like do this over here
and all these little gimmicksmeant nothing.
Sure.
She realized the way to teachthis and to keep this kid from

(01:13:34):
going down the wrong path was todunk him under the water for
two and a half seconds.
Yep.
You can't just discipline withmere words, it doesn't work.
And uh, you know, whenProsecutor Simmons gives up the
jails and Judge Laurie K.
Smith gives up all of her toughtalk and denying rights.
Yeah, if mere words work, thenlet's go all the way and do it.

(01:13:56):
Stop playing this game.
Now, why the question is weknow that Satan is in charge of
the governing uh principles inthe world, right?
Even though Governor Santantezclaims to be a Christian, I'd
love to put that by the test.
Feel free to join me on theshow anytime, and let's just
test it in a loving way.
I'm not gonna try and trap you.
We'll just go down the list andlook at what it means to be a

(01:14:18):
disciple of Jesus.
So he's a former prosecutor andall that kind of thing.
Why is it that Satan works sohard and is I don't know if he's
working hard, he he hascertainly succeeded in getting
the governing authorities totake away any discipline toward
our children.
Why is that?

Jacob (01:14:38):
Because he Because he knows that by taking away the
discipline, who are you gonnahand your kids over to, but he
gets more control.
He gets the foothold, he's hecan Well, he thinks he can win,
but Exactly.

Timothy (01:14:51):
We're gonna look at uh Hebrews 12 1.
What it amounts to is if Satancan make discipline seem
unloving and unkind.
In other words, to most people,if I say, yeah, dunk the kid
down for five seconds, you know,let it let his nose bleed, let
him wipe it off, let him go intothe you know bathroom and sit
there and wipe the blood off,and then make him go back and
apologize to the other kid thathe was bullying, and you go down

(01:15:13):
the line, right?
Yeah.
If even as I say that, there'speople cringing and oh, that's
abuse, that's bad, that's evil,that's wicked.
God, in order to get a hold ofus, all of us in the human race
that we're doomed to hell and hewants to rescue us, has to put
us under discipline.
And so if Satan can trick usinto thinking, oh, well, God is

(01:15:35):
mean and he hates you and alldiscipline's evil, then when God
comes along to lovinglydiscipline the world, or
especially his disciples, you'regonna see that as something
evil and you're going to rejectGod out of hand.

Jacob (01:15:49):
Yes, automatically, out of the gate.
Your reaction.

Timothy (01:15:53):
You won't even be able to discuss it.
Keep talking over me.
Yeah.
No, yeah.
You won't even be able todiscuss it.
Yeah.
That's why Proverbs 19, 18, andwe'll come to Hebrews in a
minute, says, discipline yourson, for in that there is hope.
There's no hope.
That's why we're seeing kidskill kids, we're seeing kids on
medication, we're seeing isn'tit horrendous what is happening

(01:16:16):
to all earl children?
And what happens is thecounselors, the governing
authorities all keep doing thesame thing over and over again.
Anything but turn it over toparents who would know what to
do.
And again, that skill is gone.
I'm not suggesting anybodyactually discipline their kids
because you don't know how.
The skills are gone.
You weren't disciplined, youdidn't really experience it, you

(01:16:37):
don't know what it's about.
You're not a disciple of Jesus,you've never experienced his
deep conviction, nor thehardship that God brings.
So don't try that.
I'm not telling you, I'm justtelling you what's happening.
That you have removed hope fromyour children because you will
not discipline them, and youthink that any little suffering,
any little opposition, anylittle trouble is to be

(01:16:59):
protected and they cry and theywhine and they're big babies.
Discipline your son, Proverbs19, 18 says, friend, that there
is hope.
Do not be a willing party tohis death.
It is true that we've all hadto change our behavior because
the government is watchingeverywhere they can, and
anything that suggests any typeof self-discipline, or you got

(01:17:21):
to have a life that's or a mindthat's actually disciplined, you
have to change your behavior,don't you?
Yeah.
You have to watch what you'redoing out in public.
There's just nothing there.
That's fine.
I understand that.
I understand what thegovernment.
I've watched it.
I'm now so old, I've watchedthis progression into
lawlessness because thegovernment has destroyed the

(01:17:43):
family unit.
Bob Ferguson, he loves todestroy the family.
He wants everybody in daycare,he wants everybody in public
school.
He loves, he lusts for havingthe family destroyed.
But that doesn't mean I have tobe a willing party to the
death.
Correct.
That when I stand before God, Iwill do everything in my power
to outmaneuver the state andoutmaneuver Satan in order to

(01:18:06):
raise my children to at leastrespond to God or to have that
choice whether they want God ornot.
I'm gonna let you read it,Jacob, Proverbs 19, 18.
I see that you went to itbecause I I did start going on
it a little bit.

Jacob (01:18:17):
Go ahead and read it.
Uh discipline your son, for inthat there is hope.
Do not be a willing party tohis death.

Timothy (01:18:25):
You know, I hate it when I see, you know, there's
still those elements that thatwill say, oh, well, where are
the parents?
Why aren't the parents raisingthem?
Look, the parents are not toblame anymore.
The government has so destroyedthe family, even the people
that are saying, why don't youdiscipline your kids?
They don't know how todiscipline their kids.
Yeah.
If there was any godlysuggestion about what to do,

(01:18:46):
they would reject it too.
They just don't realize howAmerican Christian they are.
Yeah.
Let's read, or let's actuallyplay the clip because it's a
little bit long, and I'm notgoing to be able to go into this
in detail.
My main point here being isthat this woman, Mrs.
Griffith, finally realized, andit dawned on her, all this talk
and all these gimmicks don'tbeat two and a half seconds of

(01:19:08):
being dunked under the water,being taught what it feels like
to be a bully.
Look, you got a little kid,he's running out into the
street.
I've used this before.
You want to be able to saystop.
You want to be able to say no,and they instantly stop.
But if you just constantly talkat them, they're not going to
pay attention to you, andthey're going to run in the

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street and they're going to gethurt.
It's that simple.
Hebrews twelve one, let's playit, Jacob.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Hebrews twelve, one through sixteen.
Therefore, since we aresurrounded by such a great cloud
of witnesses, let us throw offeverything that hinders and the
sin that so easily entangles,and let us run with perseverance
the race marked out for us.
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus,the author and perfecter of our

(01:19:56):
faith, who for the joy setbefore him endured the
crucifixion.
Cross, scorning its shame, andsat down at the right hand of
the throne of God.
Consider him who endured suchopposition from sinful men, so
that you will not grow weary andlose heart in your struggle
against sin.
You have not yet resisted tothe point of shedding your

(01:20:18):
blood, and you have forgottenthat word of encouragement that
addresses you as sons.
My son, do not make light ofthe Lord's discipline, and do
not lose heart when he rebukesyou, because the Lord
disciplines those he loves, andhe punishes everyone he accepts
as a son.
Endure hardship as discipline.

(01:20:39):
God is treating you as sons.
For what son is not disciplinedby his father?
If you are not disciplined, andeveryone undergoes discipline,
then you are illegitimatechildren and not true sons.
Moreover, we have all had humanfathers who disciplined us, and
we respected them for it.
How much more should we submitto the Father of our spirits and

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live?
Our fathers disciplined us fora little while as they thought
best.
But God disciplines us for ourgood, that we may share in His
holiness.
No discipline seems pleasant atthe time, but painful.
Later on, however, it producesa harvest of righteousness and
peace for those who have beentrained by it.
Therefore, strengthen yourfeeble arms and weak knees.

(01:21:24):
Make level paths for your feet,so that the lame may not be
disabled, but rather healed.
Make every effort to live inpeace with all men and to be
holy.
Without holiness no one willsee the Lord.
See to it that no one missesthe grace of God, and that no
bitter root grows up to causetrouble and defile many.

(01:21:47):
See that no one is sexuallyimmoral, or is godless like
Esau, who for a single meal soldhis inheritance rights as the
oldest son.

Timothy (01:21:57):
Any quick thoughts, Mr.
Jacob?
No.
Man, there is so much here, mymind is just reeling all over
the place.

Jacob (01:22:05):
Oh, yeah, that's a huge chunk of scripture.

Timothy (01:22:07):
Huge chunk, and if we've coddled our children, and
I'm putting that nicely, it'smore likely it's in spoiled
territory, and we've talked themto death, they're gonna come to
these scriptures and read this,and it's gonna be meaningless.
It's just talk.
And then the minute Godactually begins to bring some
discipline.
You notice God says hepunishes.

(01:22:29):
It's not just discipline, youalso get punished.
Uh scripture says to endurehardship is discipline.
When King County prosecutorscame for Sound Doctrine Church,
and actually they were justafter me kind of routine, and
all that horrendous stuff thatwent on.
I endured that as discipline.
I looked for any weakness inmyself.
I looked for sins.

(01:22:51):
I looked for things that neededto change.
I looked where I needed togrow.
I endured it as discipline thatGod was punishing me,
disciplining, going, however,you want to look at it.
Even though it was an act ofwickedness on their part, and I
was enduring it because it wasrighteousness, I took it as
discipline and I learnedeverything that I could possibly

(01:23:12):
surrender to it.
Instead of whining andcomplaining, you know, why is
this happening?
I knew why it was happening.
Why is this happening and thisis too tough and this is too
hard?
We man, anything, I mean, arewe going to see, do we even see
remotely within the church andwithin Christians children that

(01:23:33):
are going to grow up in the Lordthat are prepared for this kind
of discipline?
No.
I don't have time to go intofor all of this today.
Anything that I need to, youknow, notes of discipline seems
pleasant at the time, butpainful.
You can't just have, of course,not every it's a beating.
No, it's not a beating, but itis painful.

(01:23:54):
You know, the kid got anosebleed.
Boo-hoo.
Um, you know, two and a halfseconds underwater.
He he could have got that justfrom swimming and being
underwater too much.
But instead it was tied.
This woman needs an award.
She needs to be commended forwhat she did to stop the bowling
and to teach him a lesson tonever ever do it again.

(01:24:15):
Now it's been reinforced by thestate and reinforced by these
parents, and it'll continue tobe reinforced in all their
family and group, oh, you poorthing, you were abused.
Nonsense.
Yeah.
Nonsense.
Now we're all going to betormented by this kid when he
grows up.
There's no, there's very, verylittle chance unless God's grace
comes along and gets a hold ofhim that this guy is good, this

(01:24:36):
kid's going to grow up to be auseful member of society.
Correct.
All right.
Anything else on that?
We kind of wrestled through allthat anything more you want to
say on it.
Okay, let's talk about anotherlast one, last scenario.
You're a defense attorney.
Okay.
You have a client that'sclearly on trial.

(01:24:56):
Okay.
And he's saying that what hedid was self-defense kind of
routine.
And he has a video that he tookoff his cell phone that proves
it was self-defense, or atleast, you know, is going to
help prove that, right?

Speaker 14 (01:25:10):
Okay.

Timothy (01:25:10):
But it's a little grainy.
It's a it's a little off alittle bit, you know, because
you're obviously you're in themiddle of an altercation of some
sort.

Jacob (01:25:17):
Okay.

Timothy (01:25:17):
So the filming's probably filming.

Jacob (01:25:19):
Or if it was if it was at night for sure.

Timothy (01:25:21):
Like Okay, for sure.
So you run it through AI andyou tell AI, you know, sharpen
this up.
Make it clear.
Should a judge allow you totake this AI AI enhanced video
and play it to before a jury?

Jacob (01:25:40):
Um, well, I mean, uh, yeah, if this is real evidence,
uh I don't see why we should notbe allowing video evidence in
the courtroom.

Timothy (01:25:51):
Now it's AI and enhanced are kind of filling in
the holes or the pixels.
Well, okay.
You know, so the jury would beaware of that fact and they
could see that should a judgeallow you to play that video
with AI enhanced?

Jacob (01:26:07):
Yeah, I don't have a problem with it.
Like, well, like I know inphotos you can go into Lightroom
and you can push the, you know,yeah, they have like a grainy
button, right?
Like remove all the grain, andthat's it's AI that's working in
the background.
And so um, I mean, if you pushthat button and it enhances the
image, it's it's still thephotograph.
Now, I'm not saying that weshould allow like AI should

(01:26:28):
like, you know, I don't know,like recreate the scene.
Yeah, like it's like recreate.
But no, if it's just likegetting rid of the grain, it
makes the image more clear.
Yes, this is evidence, let itin the courtroom.

Timothy (01:26:40):
All of that is sound in the superior wisdom, and I
would fully agree with it.
But what's the one element thatyou are forgetting?

Jacob (01:26:49):
Uh well, I don't want to, I don't wanna I don't want to
laugh at the same time, butwell, you you posed the
question, are prosecutors goingto hell?
I think then are how manyjudges are going to hell?

Timothy (01:27:00):
But anyways, that's I don't want to Well, what's the
one point, the one piece of thiswhole evidence and puzzle that
you are missing?

Jacob (01:27:09):
Uh I don't know.

Timothy (01:27:11):
The defense wanted to do it.

Jacob (01:27:13):
Oh, that oh, okay, yes, yes.
Oh, yeah.
You can't yeah, the judges candecide with the prosecutor.

Timothy (01:27:19):
Right.
If a prosecutor wouldprosecutors enhance all the kind
of time.
And I'm using enhance as lies.
Sure.
Yeah.
They'll bring in videoreconstruction.
What what do you think a amodel of a house or a room is?
It's it's a reconstruction.
Yeah, reconstruction.
Um you could play a a wholeseries of stuff, an AI here,
enhancing the j there's no waythe judge, if the prosecution

(01:27:43):
has said, Yeah, Your Honor, wewant to show an AI enhance,
there's no problem.
The judge would have said, Oh,sure, go for it.

Speaker 14 (01:27:50):
Yeah.

Timothy (01:27:51):
But because the defense said we want to do it, then of
course, no, you can't do that.
Now, where do you think thistook place at?

Jacob (01:28:01):
Oh boy.
Um uh is this in WashingtonState then?
Oh, you're getting warm.
You're getting so warm, you'regetting hot.
Washington State?
This is going.

Timothy (01:28:13):
What county?
What county would this be?
King County?
King County?
King County.
Yes, absolutely King County.
You know, King County, JudgeLaurie K.
Smith ruling that if you wantto talk about the good qualities
of your character, that's notallowed.
And no prosecutor in the stateof war has ever heard of that.
They're famous for rulingthings that are just so far out
there that somehow alwaysbenefit the prosecution.

Jacob (01:28:37):
They're famous for not allowing evidence in the
courtroom, that's for sure.

Timothy (01:28:41):
That's for sure.
Um, go ahead and play the clip,and then we're gonna talk about
it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Quote A Washington state judge overseeing a triple
murder case barred the use ofvideo enhanced by artificial
intelligence as evidence in aruling that experts said may be
the first of its kind in aUnited States criminal court.
The ruling, signed Friday byKing County Superior Court Judge
Leroy McCullough and firstreported by NBC News, described

(01:29:12):
the technology as novel and saidit relies on opaque methods to
represent what the AI modelthinks should be shown.
This court finds that admissionof this eye-enhanced evidence
would lead to a confusion of theissues and a muddling of
eyewitness testimony, and couldlead to a time-consuming trial

(01:29:32):
within a trial about thenon-peer reviewable process used
by the AI model, the judgewrote in the ruling that was
posted to the docket Monday.

Timothy (01:29:42):
Okay, Jacob.
Anything that you kind ofpicked up on there a little bit?

Jacob (01:29:48):
I well, I was even he's saying I don't even quite
understand.
This is the first I I've heardof this case.
He won't let it in.
Why?

Timothy (01:29:57):
Because it's Yeah, he needs to contact Judge Laurie K.
Smith, an educator.
Because it's several reasonswhy.

Jacob (01:30:06):
It's in a triple murder case, too.
This is the murder case.
This is important.
I mean, you know what I mean?
This is a big case.

Timothy (01:30:13):
Why not rule this way?
You know, you can show the AIenhanced, right?
And then the prosecution couldcome along with the unenhanced
AI.
Correct.
And you let how many times theprosecution's prosecutors him
and say, it's for the jury todecide.
Yeah, yeah.
Now all of a sudden, oh no, no,you can't bring it's because
the defense, but but but I wantyou to pay very, very, very,

(01:30:36):
very careful attention to hisreasoning.
Quote.
This court finds that anomission of this AI enhanced
evidence would lead to confusionof the issues.
Hey, Judge Laurie K.
Well, I Mr.
McCall, call Judge Laurie K.
Smith.

(01:30:56):
We had a trial within a trialwithin a trial within a trial.
Supposedly the jury wassupposed to decide if detective
McGrant McCall groomed thewitness and whether that was
okay, whether the church wasokay, whether this was okay.
It w was it not, Jacob?
Probably if I had sat down toanalyze it, six to seven trials
within a trial, and it was allabout confusion, so the jury at

(01:31:19):
the end of the day didn't evenknow what they were looking at.
Correct.
This court finds that theadmission of this AI enhanced
evidence would lead to aconfusion of the issues and a
muddling of eyewitnesstestimony, and could lead to a
time, get this time confusing,consuming trial within a trial.

(01:31:42):
And how long did the trial lastthat we had to go through,
Jacob?
I think it was like 28 days or28 days.
And that's just the trial.
Yeah.
A month-long trial and aconfusion.
Really, I mean, technicallywhat this judge is saying is
true.
Whether it applies to thisparticular evidence, that's a
different issue.

(01:32:02):
He's using a very logical,yeah, you don't want a trial
within a trial.
And you don't want thingsmuddling up what the eyewitness
testimony is saying.
All of that's true.
Now, I don't think for a momentthat an AHI AI enhanced video
is going to be all that timeconsuming.
You show the video, you saywhat's there.

(01:32:23):
Yeah.
The prosecutors go, uh-uh,that's not what's there.

Jacob (01:32:26):
And then they can show, yeah, show your their version,
and there you go.

Timothy (01:32:30):
Most would take four hours tops, and I'm kind of
pushing it.

Jacob (01:32:35):
Well, yeah, that's and that's with every that's with
all the that's with like the twosides arguing and sending the
jury in and out and all this.
Yeah.
Yes.
Couple hours.
Probably a couple hours, twohours.

Timothy (01:32:46):
Do me a favor, King County Superior Court Judge
Leroy McCollin, call JudgeLaurie K.
Smith, and prosecutor JasonSimmons.
In fact, all of the King Countyprosecutors, and you play them
the video from the law lynchingthat we were put through, Sound
Dr.
Church, Detective Grant McCall,and explain to them about

(01:33:07):
time-consuming trial within atrial and confusing everything
up and all, not to mention allthe other illegal things that
Judge Laurie K.
Smith did to ensure that nobodyunderstood even what the
Constitution of Washington Statehad to do to say about freedom
of religion.
Okay, Jacob, mame my point.

(01:33:28):
Take us out of here.

Speaker 10 (01:33:29):
Nothing on the Consider Podcast should be
considered legal or life advice.
Each is admonished to seek aholy God and obey by picking up
a cross to follow Jesus.

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