May 1, 2025 • 12 mins
The evidence is overwhelming, an innocent man sits in prison while a corrupt cop is free.
Washington State Supreme Court committing right rape, King County Prosecutor: Prosecutor Mark Larson, Prosecutor Lisa Johnson, Prosecutor Nicole Weston, Prosecutor Rich Anderson and Prosecutor Jason Simmons. Judge Beth M. Andrus, Judge Lori K. Smith, Prosecutor Leesa Manion, King County Prosecutors Office, City of Enumclaw.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
putting it nicely, all right.
So let's play this next clipand let's watch beth andrews
here as she listens to him liewithin a 20 minute period.
Go ahead and play that, jacob.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, the entire case revolves around a couple of
things.
One of them is the church as awhole.
We've received complaints frompeople about the church.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, hang on a second.
Okay, anything you want to say,jacob, before I dive into this.
No, go ahead.
Look at his attitude.
We've received complaints aboutthe church.
What is he?
The pope of the city ofEnumclaw?
Yeah, and since when is achurch being complained about?
(01:00):
Grounds for any type of makingthat criminal?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, how does that translate over to something
illegal it?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
doesn't, and he's stating this before Beth Andrews
as if this were an importantpoint.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Correct, as if this is a valid reason why he did the
things that he did Correct.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Because it's a misconduct.
All the other churches inWashington state aren't
receiving complaints.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, let me refer to that for you.
Probably not, because 99% ofmost people, if they called a
police station and said I don'tlike the Jehovah's Witness, or I
don't like the Mormons, or Idon't like the Baptists, I don't
like the Jehovah's Witness or Idon't like the Mormons, or I
don't like the Baptists, what isthe average police station
going to do?
Not our problem sir.
(01:53):
Not our problem.
Grow up, go get a life, go away, don't bug us again.
Right, correct, but not in thiscase.
Because the city of Enumclawand Detective Grant McCall was a
magnet for liars, so he waswilling to receive all of these
calls, I mean, when we made acomplaint.
Oh well, it's not happening,it's not our business, we're not
going to deal with it.
Yeah, they certainly pushed usoff, correct?
(02:15):
So then he's sitting beforebeth andrews here going.
Yeah, I'm going to present mymost valuable facts as to why
this case of a man falselyaccused of a sexual crime is
guilty.
I'm going to present to you thething you need to pay attention
to, judge Beth Andrews, and youknow what it is.
(02:35):
You know what it is, bethAndrews.
Do you know?
Do you know?
We have received complaintsabout the church Dun, dun, dun
oh really Not well.
what are the complaints?
Who made the complaints?
The church Dun dun dun.
Oh, really Not well.
What are the complaints?
Who made the complaints?
How were the complaints dealtwith?
None of that fact.
It's just we receive complaintsand Beth Andrews is going okay.
So you've received complaints.
(02:56):
I get it.
They're evil, they're bad.
I'm going to.
You're a cop.
Therefore, you never lie, younever say anything wrong and we
don't hold you to anyaccountability.
So, okay, fine, you're free tosit here and use Washington
State's court system to belittlea church because they receive
complaints, uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Start from the beginning and let's play it
again.
Well, the entire case revolvesaround a couple of things.
One of is the church as a whole.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, stop it right there.
I covered the second part ofthe first part, this whole case.
You correct me if I'm wrong,jacob.
This whole case, the falseaccusations toward Malcolm
Frazier, the whole case aboutthat accusation revolves around
what?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Jacob, a couple things.
There's a couple things here.
Okay, what are those couplethings?
Well, I don't know what, thesecond one, but one, one of them
.
So out of the two there's two,and one is we have received
complaints Back up.
Oh, the church as a whole,you're technically correct.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
You applied logic to the situation.
I'm looking at his two and Icould be wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
One would be Well, his words are two.
Yeah, it's the whole church,but that's not really that's a
redundant point to the complaint.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So really you only got one.
I hear what you're saying.
This is nonsensical.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
But in his words, yeah, the church as a whole.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That was his words To Beth Andrews, sitting right
there.
You can see her right there inthe video.
Yes, whatever she's doing theretaking notes, listening, like
waiting for it to get over with.
I can't guarantee you what'sgoing on in her mind at this
point.
But the church as a whole rightas we've made very, very clear
we have evidence of this was ahate crime instigated by a
(04:59):
co-conspirator and Grant McCall.
They wanted this accusation tobring down the whole church.
King County prosecutors had toknow that all the evidence
pointed to the crime could nothave happened, but they were
willing to use that to take downthe church and that's been made
(05:20):
clear all along.
All right, so he's lying.
Any comments before we finishthis video?
No, keep going then.
Keep playing.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The church as a whole .
We've received complaints frompeople about the church.
So the sound docking churchreally doesn't have anything to
do with the investigation at all.
It's just that some of thespiritual things involved to
kind of muddy the waters ordidn't have muddy the waters.
But the sound docking churchhas got really nothing to do
with these allegations at all.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And he's done Nothing at all, and it's nothing at all
, and then it's quiet.
There's like it's like a pause,as he looks because that's the
end of his statement.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
he's just done, yeah and you notice he is an expert
liar, because if you watch inthe beginning his face is not
looking toward the judge.
Yes, he's, he's talking more tothe courtroom, probably to the
jury, kind of thing, right?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well no, there's no jury there.
This is a misconduct jury Okay,misconduct.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
So, right now he's looking over at Ann who's asking
her questions.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
She's the one that gets to ask him questions and
he's just talking to the entirecourt, whoever's there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, here's my and I'm'm gonna rephrase it this way
my valid point when he turns tolie, he turns and looks at her,
looks at who he's looking atthe judge.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
No, he's not right now, he's looking to the side
keep playing.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Does he not turn and look at her?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
no well, it just ends .
I don't know what's oh rightthere right there he's looking
at her.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yes, yeah, yeah, okay , so so what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
phrase jacob.
Uh, I don't know what's myfavorite face.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You're right, oh, you're right yes, oh well, yeah,
he okay, yes, you are correct.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You are correct.
Yes, he's looking right at thejudge.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, Making contact, making emphasis that this lie is
true.
Yeah, it's classic lyingbehavior.
And again, feel free to correctme at any time.
I cannot keep all this straightbecause I'm not an expert liar.
I don't even try.
All right, have we hammered in?
Think about this.
This is like full-blown on lie.
(07:35):
First, this case has totally todo with the church.
Twenty minutes later, when thatstarts getting exposed by the
defense attorney, he realizeshey, this is not looking good.
So what he does is he slingsand says the complete opposite.
Correct, correct, the completeopposite.
(07:57):
You have proof right here thathe lies about everything and it
all has to do with taking downthe church.
And it worked.
I mean, I have to give himcredit, it did work.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now.
So what Beth Andrews does isshe's really boxing a corner.
Clearly, our cameras are in theroom and it's clear he's done
misconduct.
I mean there was a lot of otherthings to this aspect but she
whitewashes all the lies.
She'll sit there and go.
Well, I'm pretty confident thathe was doing the best, that he
(08:29):
thought and we won't get intothat.
We've covered that before.
So this all gets whitewashed.
But she knows he's lying.
She knows he's flat out lying.
You can see it on her face.
Now I zoomed in and I took somestills of this.
And let's just zoom in and lookat her face.
You tell me that's not a facethat goes.
(08:50):
What am I hearing here?
Yes, now you correct me wrong,but that looks either one of two
things she's got some illnessor something she's not feeling
good.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
No, she doesn't have an illness.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Okay, that's she's like, so we've ruled that out.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Yeah, this guy is crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
yeah loony, but then she still whitewashes it.
Yeah, she, I know.
Yeah, I think isn't thereanother couple zooms?
Keep going in there.
It's just kind of?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
maybe not.
This is.
This is the big.
Yeah, oh, this is very clear.
It'll be big on the screen itjust goes downhill from there.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, if you're gonna whitewash this kind of bad
character of a cop, there's noway you're going to get a fair
trial no you're not even gonnaget, and when?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I say fair trial, that's a long way from an honest
trial yeah, exactly, well,that's yeah.
An honest trial is impossible,impossible, it's impossible they
won't allow it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The very laws are the way they twist them and things
they leave out.
It's just not feasible.
Just so happened in thisparticular trial.
It got sharply into focusbecause we didn't bow down to
all their corruption.
All right, jacob.
Any other thoughts on that?
I don't want to leave that tooquick because people again I'm
(10:15):
repeating, but I'm trying toslow down here Think about what
you're hearing and seeing andwhat McCall is getting by with.
If Beth Andrews and then laterJudge Lori K Smith are letting
this man with these kinds oflies and corruption we've just
looked at a couple to falselyaccuse somebody else and take
(10:36):
down a whole church and drivethem from the city of enumclaw.
Do you people just need to wakeup to just how much corruption
is going on?
It's all.
It's unfathomable.
It really is.
It is, jacob, let's play thenext section and let's get
rolling.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
The following Seattle King County prosecutors
violated every right andfundamental rule of law are
Prosecutor Mark Larson.
Prosecutor Lisa Johnson.
Prosecutor Nicole Weston.
Prosecutor Rich Anderson.
Prosecutor Jason Simmons.
(11:19):
The following Washington statejudges foundationally destroyed
rules of investigations andrealities of logic are as
follows Chief Judge Beth MAndrus.
Chief Judge Lori K Smith.
Isaiah 59-4.
No one calls for justice.
(11:40):
No one pleads his case withintegrity.
They rely on empty argumentsand speak lies.
They conceive trouble and givebirth to evil.
The Consider Podcast Examiningtoday's wisdom, folly and
(12:02):
madness wwwconsiderinfo.
Considerinfo.
Considerinfo.
putting it nicely, all right.
So let's play this next clipand let's watch beth andrews
here as she listens to him liewithin a 20 minute period.
Go ahead and play that, jacob.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, the entire case revolves around a couple of
things.
One of them is the church as awhole.
We've received complaints frompeople about the church.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Okay, hang on a second.
Okay, anything you want to say,jacob, before I dive into this.
No, go ahead.
Look at his attitude.
We've received complaints aboutthe church.
What is he?
The pope of the city ofEnumclaw?
Yeah, and since when is achurch being complained about?
(01:00):
Grounds for any type of makingthat criminal?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, how does that translate over to something
illegal it?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
doesn't, and he's stating this before Beth Andrews
as if this were an importantpoint.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Correct, as if this is a valid reason why he did the
things that he did Correct.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Because it's a misconduct.
All the other churches inWashington state aren't
receiving complaints.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Well, let me refer to that for you.
Probably not, because 99% ofmost people, if they called a
police station and said I don'tlike the Jehovah's Witness, or I
don't like the Mormons, or Idon't like the Baptists, I don't
like the Jehovah's Witness or Idon't like the Mormons, or I
don't like the Baptists, what isthe average police station
going to do?
Not our problem sir.
(01:53):
Not our problem.
Grow up, go get a life, go away, don't bug us again.
Right, correct, but not in thiscase.
Because the city of Enumclawand Detective Grant McCall was a
magnet for liars, so he waswilling to receive all of these
calls, I mean, when we made acomplaint.
Oh well, it's not happening,it's not our business, we're not
going to deal with it.
Yeah, they certainly pushed usoff, correct?
(02:15):
So then he's sitting beforebeth andrews here going.
Yeah, I'm going to present mymost valuable facts as to why
this case of a man falselyaccused of a sexual crime is
guilty.
I'm going to present to you thething you need to pay attention
to, judge Beth Andrews, and youknow what it is.
(02:35):
You know what it is, bethAndrews.
Do you know?
Do you know?
We have received complaintsabout the church Dun, dun, dun
oh really Not well.
what are the complaints?
Who made the complaints?
The church Dun dun dun.
Oh, really Not well.
What are the complaints?
Who made the complaints?
How were the complaints dealtwith?
None of that fact.
It's just we receive complaintsand Beth Andrews is going okay.
So you've received complaints.
(02:56):
I get it.
They're evil, they're bad.
I'm going to.
You're a cop.
Therefore, you never lie, younever say anything wrong and we
don't hold you to anyaccountability.
So, okay, fine, you're free tosit here and use Washington
State's court system to belittlea church because they receive
complaints, uh-huh.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Start from the beginning and let's play it
again.
Well, the entire case revolvesaround a couple of things.
One of is the church as a whole.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Okay, stop it right there.
I covered the second part ofthe first part, this whole case.
You correct me if I'm wrong,jacob.
This whole case, the falseaccusations toward Malcolm
Frazier, the whole case aboutthat accusation revolves around
what?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Jacob, a couple things.
There's a couple things here.
Okay, what are those couplethings?
Well, I don't know what, thesecond one, but one, one of them
.
So out of the two there's two,and one is we have received
complaints Back up.
Oh, the church as a whole,you're technically correct.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
You applied logic to the situation.
I'm looking at his two and Icould be wrong.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
One would be Well, his words are two.
Yeah, it's the whole church,but that's not really that's a
redundant point to the complaint.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
So really you only got one.
I hear what you're saying.
This is nonsensical.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
But in his words, yeah, the church as a whole.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
That was his words To Beth Andrews, sitting right
there.
You can see her right there inthe video.
Yes, whatever she's doing theretaking notes, listening, like
waiting for it to get over with.
I can't guarantee you what'sgoing on in her mind at this
point.
But the church as a whole rightas we've made very, very clear
we have evidence of this was ahate crime instigated by a
(04:59):
co-conspirator and Grant McCall.
They wanted this accusation tobring down the whole church.
King County prosecutors had toknow that all the evidence
pointed to the crime could nothave happened, but they were
willing to use that to take downthe church and that's been made
(05:20):
clear all along.
All right, so he's lying.
Any comments before we finishthis video?
No, keep going then.
Keep playing.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
The church as a whole .
We've received complaints frompeople about the church.
So the sound docking churchreally doesn't have anything to
do with the investigation at all.
It's just that some of thespiritual things involved to
kind of muddy the waters ordidn't have muddy the waters.
But the sound docking churchhas got really nothing to do
with these allegations at all.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
And he's done Nothing at all, and it's nothing at all
, and then it's quiet.
There's like it's like a pause,as he looks because that's the
end of his statement.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
he's just done, yeah and you notice he is an expert
liar, because if you watch inthe beginning his face is not
looking toward the judge.
Yes, he's, he's talking more tothe courtroom, probably to the
jury, kind of thing, right?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Well no, there's no jury there.
This is a misconduct jury Okay,misconduct.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
So, right now he's looking over at Ann who's asking
her questions.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
She's the one that gets to ask him questions and
he's just talking to the entirecourt, whoever's there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, here's my and I'm'm gonna rephrase it this way
my valid point when he turns tolie, he turns and looks at her,
looks at who he's looking atthe judge.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
No, he's not right now, he's looking to the side
keep playing.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Does he not turn and look at her?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
no well, it just ends .
I don't know what's oh rightthere right there he's looking
at her.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yes, yeah, yeah, okay , so so what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (06:59):
phrase jacob.
Uh, I don't know what's myfavorite face.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You're right, oh, you're right yes, oh well, yeah,
he okay, yes, you are correct.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
You are correct.
Yes, he's looking right at thejudge.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, Making contact, making emphasis that this lie is
true.
Yeah, it's classic lyingbehavior.
And again, feel free to correctme at any time.
I cannot keep all this straightbecause I'm not an expert liar.
I don't even try.
All right, have we hammered in?
Think about this.
This is like full-blown on lie.
(07:35):
First, this case has totally todo with the church.
Twenty minutes later, when thatstarts getting exposed by the
defense attorney, he realizeshey, this is not looking good.
So what he does is he slingsand says the complete opposite.
Correct, correct, the completeopposite.
(07:57):
You have proof right here thathe lies about everything and it
all has to do with taking downthe church.
And it worked.
I mean, I have to give himcredit, it did work.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Now.
So what Beth Andrews does isshe's really boxing a corner.
Clearly, our cameras are in theroom and it's clear he's done
misconduct.
I mean there was a lot of otherthings to this aspect but she
whitewashes all the lies.
She'll sit there and go.
Well, I'm pretty confident thathe was doing the best, that he
(08:29):
thought and we won't get intothat.
We've covered that before.
So this all gets whitewashed.
But she knows he's lying.
She knows he's flat out lying.
You can see it on her face.
Now I zoomed in and I took somestills of this.
And let's just zoom in and lookat her face.
You tell me that's not a facethat goes.
(08:50):
What am I hearing here?
Yes, now you correct me wrong,but that looks either one of two
things she's got some illnessor something she's not feeling
good.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
No, she doesn't have an illness.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Okay, that's she's like, so we've ruled that out.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I can't believe what I'm hearing.
Yeah, this guy is crazy.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
yeah loony, but then she still whitewashes it.
Yeah, she, I know.
Yeah, I think isn't thereanother couple zooms?
Keep going in there.
It's just kind of?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
maybe not.
This is.
This is the big.
Yeah, oh, this is very clear.
It'll be big on the screen itjust goes downhill from there.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I mean, if you're gonna whitewash this kind of bad
character of a cop, there's noway you're going to get a fair
trial no you're not even gonnaget, and when?
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I say fair trial, that's a long way from an honest
trial yeah, exactly, well,that's yeah.
An honest trial is impossible,impossible, it's impossible they
won't allow it.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
The very laws are the way they twist them and things
they leave out.
It's just not feasible.
Just so happened in thisparticular trial.
It got sharply into focusbecause we didn't bow down to
all their corruption.
All right, jacob.
Any other thoughts on that?
I don't want to leave that tooquick because people again I'm
(10:15):
repeating, but I'm trying toslow down here Think about what
you're hearing and seeing andwhat McCall is getting by with.
If Beth Andrews and then laterJudge Lori K Smith are letting
this man with these kinds oflies and corruption we've just
looked at a couple to falselyaccuse somebody else and take
(10:36):
down a whole church and drivethem from the city of enumclaw.
Do you people just need to wakeup to just how much corruption
is going on?
It's all.
It's unfathomable.
It really is.
It is, jacob, let's play thenext section and let's get
rolling.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
The following Seattle King County prosecutors
violated every right andfundamental rule of law are
Prosecutor Mark Larson.
Prosecutor Lisa Johnson.
Prosecutor Nicole Weston.
Prosecutor Rich Anderson.
Prosecutor Jason Simmons.
(11:19):
The following Washington statejudges foundationally destroyed
rules of investigations andrealities of logic are as
follows Chief Judge Beth MAndrus.
Chief Judge Lori K Smith.
Isaiah 59-4.
No one calls for justice.
(11:40):
No one pleads his case withintegrity.
They rely on empty argumentsand speak lies.
They conceive trouble and givebirth to evil.
The Consider Podcast Examiningtoday's wisdom, folly and
(12:02):
madness wwwconsiderinfo.
Considerinfo.
Considerinfo.
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