May 23, 2025 • 55 mins
Cousin Nancy does it again, but this time with the help of her friend Eileen Gotke, Between the two of them they did a fun and fascinating interview with Nancy J. Bailey, one of their favorite authors, animal trainers and artist.
In this upbeat podcast between the laughter and the jokes you will discover what an amazing woman Nancy Bailey truly is. She has a heart of gold so full of love it shows in everything that she does.
Please remember that you can go to Cousin Nancy's website: www.cousinnancy.com and follow the link to her blog to check out pictures and more information on Nancy J. Bailey.
And please go Nancy Bailey's podcast to sign up to listen to Nancy read the entire book The Up Side of Down!
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SPEAKER_04 (00:00):
Howdy, folks.
This is Cousin Nancy.
Welcome to the Cousin NancyShow.
And today I am excited aboutthis podcast.
You're not going to believethis.
First off, I'm doing athree-way.
And then what it is, is Eileenhas volunteered to help me do
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this podcast because she's agood friend of our guest, who is
Nancy J.
Bailey.
And Eileen, welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And Nancy, you there?
Nancy.
I'm just kidding.
I thought it would be funny if Ididn't say
SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
anything.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Uh-oh, we're going to be in trouble.
I know.
She's going to keep us on ourtoes.
I was
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looking your ear off before this happened.
Now it's like nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
Nancy, thank you so much for agreeing to do this
show.
I'm really excited.
Folks, Nancy J.
Bailey is one of my mostfavorite authors next to me.
I said next to me, okay?
And anyway, Nancy has had oneextraordinary adventure.
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I mean, her life is just filledwith stuff.
I mean, I'm like, I look at herand I think, God, what have I
SPEAKER_01 (01:20):
accomplished?
We're drags.
SPEAKER_04 (01:23):
Anyway, okay, I'm going to just do a little bit of
reading to introduce Nancy tothis, and then we're going to
start talking and telling jokes.
Okay.
Nancy is a Michigan nativewildlife artist and author.
And Eileen is an unprofessional.
(01:43):
Sorry.
Sorry about that.
Okay.
Okay, Eileen, once that happensagain, you're fired.
SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
Okay.
You remember, I'm a volunteer.
That's
SPEAKER_04 (01:54):
true.
Okay, Nancy is a Michigan nativewildlife artist, and her work is
self-effacing humor.
A list of some of her things areshe's written books about
Clifford of Drummond Island,Return to Manitou, or Manitou,
do y'all say Manitou or Manitou?
SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
It depends on whether you like two or two
more, and this is a three-way,so I guess we're going to go
with Manitou.
SPEAKER_04 (02:24):
Okay, so Return to Manitou and Clifford's Bay, a
trilogy featuring true horsestories.
One thing right off the bat,Nancy has had horses.
Eileen, what did you say aboutClifford?
SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
Well, Clifford, I followed Clifford.
Nancy on Facebook for years.
You stalked her.
I wouldn't say that.
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
You are not alone.
SPEAKER_01 (02:52):
However, let's get back to Clifford.
Okay.
Clifford, I said, is the horsethat's smarter than Mr.
Ed.
SPEAKER_04 (03:00):
He's got to be.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
And for those that are...
Born after 61.
That was a sitcom that was thefavorite of all of us kids.
SPEAKER_04 (03:11):
I know.
I wanted Mr.
Ed.
I mean, I was in love with him.
In fact, Palominos, period,because of Roy Rogers.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (03:18):
Yes.
Okay.
So now, okay.
So now, anyway, Nancy, okay.
Nancy is a professional dogtrainer, cat trainer, horse
trainer.
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Bird trainer.
SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
Bird trainer.
And...
She does the clicker method, andwe're going to talk about that
in just a little bit.
One of the reasons how I metNancy or found out about her was
Eileen here gave me a book 10years ago called The North Side
of Down, which is a true storyof two sisters, and they
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co-authored the book.
And it is an amazing, amazingbook.
And didn't it win an award?
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
Yes, the winner of the 2015 Honorary Medallion from
the BRAG, or better known asBook Readers Appreciation Group.
And that book is only one out of2,000 they've ever given.
SPEAKER_04 (04:13):
That is amazing.
Now I'm jealous.
Okay.
Nancy has written a nonfictionstory with American Eagle
Foundation's Right?
Okay, I'm not getting thatcorrect.
Okay, other books by Nancyinclude My Best Cat, A Murder
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Mystery, Holding the Ladder,which is a novel, The Sleeping
Lion, which is another novel,The Cure for Shyness, A Love
Story, and she's an avid, like Isaid, avid animal trailer.
She's put out four instructionalbooks.
One is 25 Ways to Raise a GreatPuppy, 15 rules for clicker
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training your horse.
15 rules for clicker trainingyour cat.
15 rules for clicker trainingyour dog.
I've got to get those becauseeven though I love animals, I
kind of let them walk all overme.
You know what I mean?
Okay, Nancy.
Oh, and then one of Nancy'sstories about her sister Amanda.
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And hey, I want to just shoutout to Amanda.
Hi, Amanda.
And I'd love to meet you.
And anyway, this appeared in thechicken soup of the sister's
soul part two nancy is acommunity works with a theater
she's a community theater buffand she has written directed and
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produced and acted in several ofher own plays including on
lining up a comedy which earneda ctam award what is a ctam
SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
award Community Theater Association of the
Midwest.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
And Nancy.
Oh, Nancy is an incredibleartist.
She gifted me a beautifulwatercolor of me.
Riding a Palomino into theWoods.
And it is in my writing studio.
I love that.
Thank you again for that somuch.
(06:17):
Let's see.
You specialize in paintinghorses.
Okay, you do watercolor,acrylics, oils, pencil, pen, and
ink.
Wow.
And capturing the spirit of theindividual animal in each.
And you work on slate.
Wow.
(06:38):
Okay.
Okay, what does it say here?
It says, unfortunately, most ofher portraits are post-mortem,
and she describes herself as theangel of death.
That could be the title of thisepisode.
It could be.
Okay.
Eileen, why don't you ask hersomething?
SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Sure.
Nancy...
How about telling us about yoursister, Amanda, who co-wrote the
book with you, North Side ofDown.
And I just finished rereadingit, and it's just as great as it
was the first time.
I totally agree.
Yeah.
And talk about maybe the awardthat you got and how she got
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involved with you.
Oh, well.
I know that's a lot, but you'llhave to break it down.
UNKNOWN (07:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (07:29):
Well, first of all, what an introduction.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
I'm like, who is this person?
I feel like I spend most of mydays just laying around yelling
at dogs.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Is the show over now?
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (07:50):
It took a long time.
SPEAKER_01 (07:51):
You are.
Can you talk to us about thebook and Amanda or anything you
want to about Amanda?
SPEAKER_03 (07:59):
Because it takes, you know, so many years to get
all that done.
SPEAKER_01 (08:03):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (08:05):
The book, The North Side of Down.
Thank you for bringing that upbecause my sister who co-wrote
it is Amanda.
Amanda Bailey.
She was born in 1970.
Amanda has Down syndrome.
And I am eight years older thanshe is.
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And when I was young, I used tolike to write horse stories.
I would go sit in my roomupstairs and write pages and
pages of stories about horsesthat I just made up.
And I didn't have a horse then,but it was my dream.
And Amanda was very bonded tome.
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She would climb up the stairsfrom a very young age and just
sit with me while I wrote pageafter page and illustrated them.
So I grew up because I'm stilldoing the same thing.
But Amanda learned to read whenshe was about– she was still in
school, so she was– She stayedin school, I think, until she
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was 26.
I might be wrong about this, butI think that was the year she
graduated, and she wasilliterate until she was about
the ending of her teens, andthen I got her that program,
Hooked on Phonics.
And that made a difference.
It helped her.
She took it to her school.
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She was in a special ed school.
And all the kids in her classused it.
The teachers put them to workand they learned to read.
And I first heard Amanda readingout loud.
She was reading Green Eggs andHam.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Oh, my
SPEAKER_03 (09:47):
goodness.
And it was just a completechange in her life because her
bedroom exploded with pages andpages of writing on spiral bound
notes.
paper exactly as I used to do.
And all those hours she spentsitting with me, watching me do
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that.
And she started writing her ownstories and writing her thoughts
and journaling.
And she was just very prolific.
She would sit and write forhours.
And that was her goal.
And in fact, she still doesthat.
SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
But I
SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
asked her, how would you like to be an author?
How would you like to Help mewrite a book.
And she thought that was great.
She got so excited about it.
And so she wrote her ownsegments and she writes the
introduction to each chapter inour story.
And the story is about what itwas like growing up for her and
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me growing up with Down syndromein a small community in this
little tip of the CrookedPeninsula in the upper upper
part of Michigan
SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
so
SPEAKER_03 (11:01):
it's a pretty remote location and then what happened
with Amanda when our agingparents fell ill one after
another and then they both diedand the battle that happened for
possession of Amanda's soulfollowing the death of our
parents because my dad haddocumented what he wanted to
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happen to her but he trustedpeople And he wrote things down
that were never followedthrough.
And so one sister swooped in andwanted Amanda, wanted that
guardianship for herself.
And then the older brother camein and they had a war right
after the death of our father incourt.
And Amanda had to go tell thejudge what she wanted.
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And she stayed with me throughthe whole thing.
And we just kept writing.
SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
So when did you
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journal the whole thing?
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
That's what I was.
Yeah.
And so after that happened,that's when you wrote the book
with her.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_03 (12:01):
It was during.
SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
During.
Oh, okay.
While it was happening.
I see.
SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
Okay, but don't.
We were working on it steadilythe whole time.
Don't give away the ending.
We don't want to give away.
Oh, yeah, the ending.
Don't tell all of us.
We don't want to give away allof it.
No spoilers.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:13):
That's what it's about.
SPEAKER_04 (12:15):
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Some of the funniest pages iny'all's book is Amanda.
I mean.
You're right.
I love her humor.
She is fabulous.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Exactly.
I got goosebumps.
To the part that is my favorite,which is when she's on the ride
at the circus.
UNKNOWN (12:39):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
And I just can't stop laughing at that
description.
Of course, that was yourdescription, but she was the
star that night, right?
SPEAKER_03 (12:54):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
She's a wicked riot, that's forsure, especially when you get to
know her one-liners.
They'll just knock you down.
You don't see them coming.
SPEAKER_04 (13:04):
Well, I literally burst out laughing.
I forget what happened, buty'all were talking about what do
you want to do when you die?
What's going to happen?
And Amanda, I can't say exactlybecause I'm not looking at the
book, but Amanda said somethinglike, just prop me up.
the jukebox
SPEAKER_03 (13:23):
yes prop me up beside the jukebox yeah i love
it and when she said that ididn't realize it was a country
song because my mother wassaying well i want to be buried
next to dad with a hole in thecasket and our hands sticking
out so we can hold handsthroughout eternity and you know
each one was taking turns ofwhat they want to have happen
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when they die and Amanda goes,you can just prop me up the side
that you
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
brought.
Well, it sounds like sheinherited some of your mom's
humor,
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
too.
Yeah.
My parents were both uproarious.
We had big laughs in that house.
Amanda, she has a real goodcomic timing and a really good
sense of what is funny.
And she'll set her sights onyou.
If she decides she wants tocrack you up, she'll figure out
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a way to do it.
She's really good at it, waybetter than me.
The funny thing is the surpriseattack, because you don't expect
it from her.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
She's
SPEAKER_03 (14:34):
barely five feet tall, and she's just this little
thing, and she has this obviousdisability.
But man, that makes her theperfect ambush.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Oh, absolutely,
SPEAKER_03 (14:46):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
She's got some zingers in that book, too.
That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
She is a beautiful writer.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
She is, absolutely.
Both of you, exactly.
I hope that you both can doanother book sometimes together.
I
SPEAKER_03 (15:04):
know she would like that, and I would, too.
She's great fun to work with.
SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
Well, I bet.
SPEAKER_03 (15:10):
Yes.
So right now, I'm in the middleof a legal action with her
guardian.
Amanda lives in Arizona and Ilive in Michigan and I have to
file for visitation because Ihave to, we want to go to the
movies.
It's been 10 years since we'vebeen to the movies and the
guardian won't let us go.
And when somebody's in aguardianship, they basically
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have all their civil rightstaken away.
SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
They
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don't get to make any choices.
So I've had to file a petitionjust to take my sister for a
girl's day out.
Well,
SPEAKER_04 (15:45):
y'all loved those.
In your book, you kept talkingabout how y'all would always go
to the movies and then eatpizza.
Eat pizza and go to the movies.
SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
Girls' Night Out.
That's been a
SPEAKER_03 (15:57):
tradition for a long time.
Many, many years.
We've seen many movies together,and it ended about 10 years ago
when The Guardian decided thatwasn't going to happen anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Well, Nancy, I know that you've been...
I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
it's okay i i was going to say i've been trying to
you know i tried mediation umseveral times trying to try and
make a peaceful um resolutionwith him and you know now it's
just me versus a bunch ofsiblings and they're all against
us getting together i thinkbecause they don't like what we
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wrote
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
We
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
wrote the truth, and they're trying to get our book
banned, and they're trying toput a gag order
SPEAKER_01 (16:44):
on us.
Oh, goodness.
Well, you know, really, you'redoing...
Unfortunately, you've got thisgoing on, but I think the bigger
picture is that at some point,both of you will end up helping
in guardianship regulations andrules and all that...
especially after seeing evensome celebrities that have had
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guardianship that ended up inpublic eye.
But I think that both of you, Ihope that it works out great for
both of you, and maybe it willhelp others in the long run.
SPEAKER_03 (17:20):
Yeah, that would be that's my dearest wish.
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
And I'm sure I'm sure change gets
SPEAKER_03 (17:27):
to
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
be changed.
Right.
And I'm sure Amanda would wantthat, too, for sure.
OK,
SPEAKER_04 (17:32):
y'all, it's time for me to tell a joke.
OK.
OK.
Whoops.
OK, there we go.
There we go.
OK.
Let's see.
Okay.
Yeah, okay.
I have a cousin, Boomer, and thestrangest things happen to him,
and they're true.
Anyway, I'm going to tell you atrue story about cousin Boomer
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during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Okay.
Boomer was feeling very lonely,so he decided he wanted to get a
pet to keep him company.
So he put on his coat and hisblue mask, and he went down the
street to the pet store.
After the owner of the pet storehad shown Boomer turtles guinea
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pigs fish some bunnies uh boomerdecided he'd rather have a bird
so they went over to this hugebird cage and that was in the
corner of the store and therewere about 40 green parakeets
and they uh they were guaranteedto sing and they had little 15
dollar price tags attached totheir legs the birds all looked
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just alike except one bird had a$122 price tag on his leg.
Boomer asked the owner why thatone particular parakeet was so
much more expensive than theothers.
And the owner told him, he said,not only does that bird sing, he
talks too.
So Boomer purchased theexpensive singing, talking
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parakeet.
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and he
told the owner, my bird did notsing and he did not talk.
The owner asked him, did he peckon his little bell?
No, he doesn't have a littlebell.
Well, birds love bells.
So Boomer asked him, how much isit?
He said, ten bucks.
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So Boomer bought a little belland he went back home.
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and told
the owner, my bird did not singand he did not talk, but he did
peck on his little bell.
The store owner smiled and hesaid, did he climb up and down
his little ladder?
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And Boomer told him, he says, hedoesn't have a ladder.
And he said, how much is aladder?
And the owner said, 15 bucks.
So Boomer purchased the littleladder and he went back home.
I'm getting close to the endhere.
Anyway, he went back home, andthe next morning, Boomer went
back to the store, and he toldthe owner, my bird did not sing,
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and he did not talk.
But he did peck on his littlebell, and he did climb up and
down the
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
little ladder.
SPEAKER_04 (20:08):
The pet store owner smiled, and he said, well, did
he look in his little mirror?
And Boomer says, he doesn't havea mirror.
How much is a little mirror?
And he said,$20 soap.
Boomer pulled out a 20 and laidit on the counter.
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and he
told the owner, my bird did notsing and he did not talk.
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But he did peck on his littlebell, climb up and down his
ladder, and he did look in hislittle mirror.
The store owner smiled again.
Did he swing on his littleswing?
Boomer, he says, he doesn't havea little swing.
How much is a little swing?
That's only 15 bucks.
So Boomer purchased the littleswing.
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The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and he
told the owner, my bird is dead.
The owner was shocked and heasked, what happened?
Boomer said, this morning afterI removed the bird cage cover,
My little bird pecked on hislittle bell, climbed halfway up
his little ladder, and then hestopped and looked at me.
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And I could swear that littlebird smiled at me.
Then he looked at his littlemirror, and then he got on his
little swing.
He swung a few times.
And then, right before he rolledhis eyes and died and fell off
his little swing, the bird said,Don't they sell...
Birdseed?
UNKNOWN (21:33):
Oh, God.
SPEAKER_04 (21:33):
That's bad.
SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (21:38):
I've got to tell you, I'm a boomer, okay?
And I resemble that.
SPEAKER_04 (21:47):
Tell us, now, you used to take your horse,
Clifford, your famous horse,Clifford, to libraries and to
schools, right?
UNKNOWN (21:55):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (21:56):
yeah and uh that was to promote reading okay what is
the deal about you took cliffordinto the capitol building in
michigan
SPEAKER_03 (22:07):
yeah yeah um we visited not in the capitol
building but we went into thethe governor's office building
with a crowd of protesters whowere it was during the rain of
i'm going to call it the rainwhat do you call that um When a
governor is in office, what'sthat word?
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It was during his time inoffice.
SPEAKER_04 (22:32):
Service.
During his service or no?
I don't
SPEAKER_03 (22:36):
know.
Yeah, whatever.
You know what I mean.
SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
I'm
SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
supposed
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
to
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be the writer and I have no vote.
SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Well, those are legal words.
SPEAKER_03 (22:45):
A group of us were protesting...
line five which is a an oilpipeline that's owned by a
canadian company and it runsunder the straits of mackinac
which is um the the top of thelower peninsula and the straits
of mackinac connects lake huron
SPEAKER_00 (23:03):
to
SPEAKER_03 (23:04):
lake michigan to lake which you know goes up into
lake superior so there are threegreat lakes um that kind of
depend on on the straights andtherefore having an oil tunnel
underneath this
SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
doesn't make sense
SPEAKER_03 (23:23):
right yeah can you imagine and the thing is over
six it's older than i am i'm notgoing to say how old that is but
i didn't say i'm a boomer so youthat'll give you some idea it's
over half a century old and it'shad anchor strikes and dents and
you know it's just a a greathazard to our water system
SPEAKER_04 (23:43):
yeah yeah
SPEAKER_03 (23:45):
so um but it's it's owned by um enbridge a canadian
company that's already had a badspill in the kalamazoo river so
we were out there trying to getthis we want to get this
pipeline shut off and they werewalking with a um they made a
billboard for him out of posterboard and he was like a walking
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A walking billboard.
The
SPEAKER_01 (24:11):
Houston is a sandwich
SPEAKER_03 (24:14):
board.
He had a little blank, hislittle blankie on.
And we went, one of the sayingson him was, say nay to oil.
Well, I bet.
We marched with the group and wewalked right into his office
building.
And there was a whole bunch ofpeople there in the lobby.
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It was crowded, and they wereyelling, you know, no oil, no
oil, save our water.
And he's just standing there.
I mean, he's not doing anything.
He's just standing there withme, and we got kicked out.
The cops
SPEAKER_04 (24:47):
came.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
The cops came.
Uh-oh.
The
SPEAKER_04 (24:50):
cops
SPEAKER_03 (24:50):
showed up.
Well,
SPEAKER_04 (24:51):
the
SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
good
SPEAKER_04 (24:51):
thing is you didn't get arrested.
SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
No.
You know it's a party when thecops show up.
So he made me remove them.
I had some pictures, though, anddid some interviews with them.
with some local radio, and itwas great because we got the
word out there, and he broughtso much attention because it was
such a weird thing to do.
And after we walked backoutside, the police officer
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wanted to feed him a peppermint.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
He was just doing his job inside, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:27):
I've never done that before.
SPEAKER_04 (25:28):
Nancy, you're on Facebook.
Now, can people go there and seepictures of Clifford and your
animal?
and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_03 (25:39):
Just a few.
SPEAKER_04 (25:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
You have to really look for them.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
I don't think.
I think she's kidding.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You got to pick through allthose pictures to find those
animals.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
I've got Clifford's understudy, Cliffy Jr., and he's
related to both Clifford and mymare, Trudy, And so he's picking
up the torch.
He's doing stuff.
He goes to the libraries.
And he's been to the hospital,Sparrow Hospital.
Wow.
The oncology kids there inLansing.
(26:17):
And he's doing a really goodjob.
He's a real good egg.
So we're still out there.
We're still out there pushingthe equine love.
Oh,
SPEAKER_04 (26:26):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:27):
Nancy, tell us how your trick for keeping the
Clifford Jr., From using thepotty inside.
UNKNOWN (26:37):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
That's what everybody asks, right?
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
That's the question.
SPEAKER_01 (26:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
Are we allowed to say poop on this?
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
Yes.
Just don't say crap.
So go ahead.
Let's, let's find
SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
out.
You don't want to have a crappypodcast,
SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
but a poopy one would be fine.
SPEAKER_03 (27:09):
So corny.
She's such a great, she lovesit.
Everything.
This is so good.
I can say anything and shelaughs.
Nancy laughs.
SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
That's right.
Eileen laughs too.
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (27:23):
I knew she was going to be a good one because of the
name.
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Right.
In fact, I am literallysandwiched between two Nancys.
Right?
SPEAKER_04 (27:35):
Let's take a picture.
Okay.
Nancy, I've never...
That's an awful lot of baloney.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I got to tell you, I'venever done a call-in podcast
because you're up in Michigan,northern Michigan, right?
Yes.
Well, anyway, right now in,quote, the Bigfoot studio,
(27:55):
recording studio...
Eileen are actually in ourlittle kitchen with the island
where the computer and all thisis recording it.
Anyway, because the only way Icould figure out how to do this
with you, for us to do this withyou, is I had my iPhone sitting
on top of my favorite box of redwine.
(28:19):
And so anyway, my iPhone isalmost directly into the
microphone.
Anyway, it looks pretty weirdright now if you were to
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
see this.
We'll send you a picture of
SPEAKER_04 (28:31):
it.
SPEAKER_03 (28:33):
I wish I realized this was a drinking show.
SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Well, pour your glass.
So tell us about how you teachthem not to poop inside.
SPEAKER_04 (28:46):
Yes, back to the serious stuff.
Oh, well, poop is very serious.
SPEAKER_01 (28:52):
Yeah.
And they do it a lot.
UNKNOWN (28:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:55):
I do warn everybody anytime we go anywhere.
I always tell him, you know, heknows what he's supposed to do,
but there's no guaranteesbecause he's only human.
SPEAKER_04 (29:07):
That's right.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (29:11):
Everybody knows.
There's a process.
I'm actually working on a bookabout it, so I can't talk about
it.
And I already told you we couldtalk about anything, and I lied.
because this is the one thingthat I can't give my training
secrets.
SPEAKER_01 (29:27):
Oh, okay.
Oh, right.
Okay.
Well, that's okay.
But
SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
this is a real publisher.
It won't be me doing
SPEAKER_01 (29:33):
it.
Oh, wonderful.
Well, you can't say anythingmore about it, right?
SPEAKER_03 (29:39):
Well, not too much.
SPEAKER_04 (29:40):
Yeah.
Okay, but if people want to findyou and follow you, they can go
to Amazon, right, the books, andfollow you, and they can also
follow you on Facebook,
SPEAKER_03 (29:52):
right?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (29:55):
Okay, speaking, by the way, of poop, before we
change the subject, I have alittle joke for you, not as long
as the other one, but what didthe judge say when the skunk
walked in the courtroom?
Odor in the court.
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
Okay.
Okay, all right.
Nancy, do you?
He's already dressed for prison.
He's in the black and whitestripes.
There may be a bias in thatstory.
SPEAKER_04 (30:29):
Did you take art lessons?
How did you learn to do yourbeautiful art?
SPEAKER_03 (30:36):
I did.
I took a couple years incollege.
It was my major.
I majored in creative writing
SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
in the beginning.
SPEAKER_03 (30:47):
And then I transferred to Central Michigan.
I started out at Lake SuperiorState University.
And then I, back when it wasstill Lake Superior State
College.
And then I transferred toCentral Michigan University
where I studied fine and appliedarts.
Wow.
I was supposed to attend theInterlochen University.
(31:07):
arts academy when i was in highschool
SPEAKER_04 (31:10):
wow
SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
they wanted me because i wrote this story that
one was a finalist one of tenfinalists in a six thousand um
entry competition writingcompetition that was sponsored
by interlock and
SPEAKER_02 (31:26):
but
SPEAKER_03 (31:27):
um my parents didn't have the funds to send me there
they were all poor folk so wedidn't so i didn't go But it
would have been a greatopportunity.
But it was nice to beacknowledged.
SPEAKER_04 (31:39):
Well, the thing is, I mean, you are so good.
You didn't miss anythingbecause, I mean, your art,
really, you are so incredible.
I love the horses that you'vedone and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
What is your favorite subject?
to paint or draw.
Oh, I really
SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
appreciate that.
Thank you.
Oh, definitely horses.
I mean, there's no question.
They were probably the firstthing I ever started drawing.
That was a long time ago.
I won't say how long, but I am aboomer.
But it's very tail end to thebaby boom.
I almost didn't even get inunder the wire, so not that old.
SPEAKER_04 (32:19):
When the show ends, I'm going to go and type in what
was the ages of the boomers.
I'll figure this out.
SPEAKER_03 (32:28):
Then I'll find out I didn't actually make it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:32):
Well, you'd like that, wouldn't you?
I
SPEAKER_03 (32:37):
think
SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
it is, but nobody likes the boomers.
SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
The
SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
boomers.
Oh,
SPEAKER_03 (32:48):
you're right.
SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
I guess we're old fogies.
SPEAKER_03 (32:53):
Yeah, we are now.
SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:55):
Isn't it strange being this
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
age?
Yeah, well, they weren't in the70s, so they missed out.
SPEAKER_04 (33:02):
Nancy, not to scare you, but wait until you get my
age.
I'm 73, and it's like I look inthe mirror, and I look like I'm
83.
She
SPEAKER_01 (33:13):
does not.
SPEAKER_04 (33:13):
Okay, but how old do you feel?
How old do you think you are?
I would say about 65.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
see?
SPEAKER_03 (33:22):
That's it.
That's how that works.
I think I'm in my 40s.
SPEAKER_01 (33:26):
Well, I think I'm 34.
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:31):
Y'all, I just decided what I'm going to title
this podcast.
So, Nancy, just so you can tellyour friends, it's going to be
called, okay, now, the book thatyou and Amanda wrote that
everyone is so popular is TheUps of Seaweed, The North Side
of the Downside.
SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
No.
Of down.
SPEAKER_04 (33:51):
The north side of down.
The north side of down.
Well, the podcast title is goingto be The Upside of the North
Side of
SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
the Down.
I love
SPEAKER_04 (34:02):
that.
SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
What a great idea.
SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
Okay.
Well, you got anything elseyou'd like to talk to us about?
Maybe...
SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
Can you
SPEAKER_01 (34:14):
read us a passage?
Yeah, that would be great.
SPEAKER_03 (34:18):
Well...
How much time do you have?
Because I can start at chapterone.
SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
Well, pick out one of the funny, the thing, maybe
something funny that Amanda hasdone or said.
Well,
SPEAKER_04 (34:33):
that circus deal.
That was
SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
hilarious.
Yeah, that one I
SPEAKER_04 (34:36):
love.
SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
The roller coaster?
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
Is that okay?
SPEAKER_03 (34:45):
Yeah, it is.
I should have marked it ahead oftime.
ahead of time.
I have to find it now.
You guys talk amongstyourselves.
Okay.
Don't say anything boringbecause they will hang up
SPEAKER_01 (34:57):
and not hear it.
Oh, we don't want that now.
Hey, how about if I tell my poopjoke?
SPEAKER_04 (35:02):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (35:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (35:04):
Back to poop.
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
Poop.
Okay, warning.
Frequency of human bearencounters.
This has been found on trails.
Hikers, please take extraprecautions and and wear little
noisy bells on clothing to giveadvanced warning and avoid
surprising the animals.
We also suggest carrying pepperspray in case of an encounter
(35:27):
with a bear.
Be vigilant for fresh bearactivity and distinguish between
black bear and grizzly bearfeces or poop.
Black bear feces are smaller andcontain lots of berries and
squirrel fur.
Grizzly bear poop has bells init and smells like pepper.
(35:52):
Happy hiking.
SPEAKER_04 (35:59):
Oh, my God.
Okay, here's a horse joke.
What did the horse say when itfell?
Help, I've fallen and I can'tgiddy up.
SPEAKER_02 (36:09):
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
Did you find it?
SPEAKER_03 (36:14):
I didn't find it, but I found a couple little
stories of Amanda.
SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
Okay, go right ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (36:23):
Here's one.
This is a conversation betweenher and me.
Me.
Amanda, your eye is red.
Does it hurt?
Amanda.
No.
Me.
Look that way.
Look this way.
Look up.
Amanda.
It's okay.
Me.
How many fingers am I holdingup?
Amanda.
(36:43):
Two.
Making the shape of an L on herforehead.
How many fingers am I holdingup?
SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
She's good.
SPEAKER_03 (36:51):
That is
SPEAKER_01 (36:54):
great.
I
SPEAKER_03 (36:57):
got a second one.
Amanda and I are driving.
My dog, Till, scoots up from thebackseat, putting his head on
her shoulder.
She scratches him.
Hi, Till.
You take after your mother.
Hey! Well, she says, would it bebetter if I said, you got your
(37:18):
mother's good looks?
SPEAKER_04 (37:23):
Okay, Nancy, tell me this.
How many animals do you havecurrently?
SPEAKER_03 (37:30):
Oh, does that count mosquitoes?
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Well, you're feeding birds outside, right?
SPEAKER_03 (37:43):
Yeah, I have...
I do have a bunch of wild birdsand some chickadees that come
right to me.
Did you know you can tellchickadees apart?
SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (37:53):
That is the craziest thing.
I never expected it to happen,but you can learn them.
Their markings are a little bitdifferent, but what you can
really tell is by theirbehaviors.
They come when I call them.
They come for peanuts, and theyland in my hand and take the
peanuts.
And right now, we're inmigration, so I'm getting all
kinds of cool...
(38:13):
birds.
I got a red-winged blackbird whohas only one foot.
He's a red-winged blackbird.
I named him after the DetroitRed Wings, so I named him Puck.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_03 (38:31):
And so him, you can always tell it's him because
he's missing that one foot andhe kind of stumps around like a
pirate.
And there's a lot of others thatare showing up now beautiful a
lot of beautiful bright yellowgold finches and many many more
birds
SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
well you know what
SPEAKER_03 (38:53):
i have i have currently i have three dogs two
of them are senior uh chihuahuasand i have a german shepherd
named gusto oh and i have threecats and um not the cat my
oldest cat is now 10 years oldwhich is so hard for me to wrap
my brain around.
We hired him to be in a movie.
(39:15):
I used to be with my girlfrienddown in Ann Arbor.
We ran Ann Arbor Animal Actors,an animal talent agency, and we
needed a cat for a movie, and sowe hired him.
And he was a 10-month-oldkitten.
And he had to do all thesebehaviors for this movie.
He had to come when I calledhim.
(39:35):
They put him out in an alley,and he had to run to me and You
know, and just up and downstairs and jump in and out of
boxes.
And he's kind of a big part inthe story.
And then you get attached.
I mean, what am I going to do?
The rescue we borrowed him from,he was already kind of big.
(39:56):
He's a black and white cat.
And they didn't, nobody wantedhim.
People wanted the littlekittens.
And I said, well, they can sayhe's a movie star.
For sure he'll get a home.
But he didn't, and so, you know,after that, he's still here 10
years later, waiting for a home.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
He's got one, I think.
How about that beautiful moviestar cat you've got?
Oh, you mean Notch?
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (40:28):
Notch is a flame point, fluffy Siamese type with
blue eyes and...
I found him in the woodsscreaming his head off when he
was only three weeks old.
So I had to bottle feed him andI named him Notch because for
short for not your cat, not yourcat.
SPEAKER_01 (40:52):
That didn't work either.
SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
Not my cat.
I'm still, that was duringCOVID.
So he's five years old now andstill, still looking for that
name.
Permanent home.
SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
And he kind of took over, I think, didn't he?
He
SPEAKER_03 (41:09):
what?
SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
He sort of took over your house, didn't he?
SPEAKER_03 (41:12):
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, yeah.
He's something else.
SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
He's gorgeous, and so he's so lucky.
He
SPEAKER_03 (41:20):
knows he's gorgeous, too.
SPEAKER_01 (41:22):
But he doesn't know he's so lucky, does he?
SPEAKER_03 (41:25):
He goes in and rips up the toilet paper and he
tepees the bathroom.
And then if he knows I'mwatching birds, I can't say
anything because if I say it outloud like this, oh, there he is.
You know, there's a bird I'mwaiting for because I like
taking pictures of him.
And if I say something like, oh,even if I do a little gasp,
(41:45):
he'll come running out from adead sleep out of the bedroom
and go body slam himself againstthe window.
UNKNOWN (41:52):
He's awful.
SPEAKER_04 (41:54):
Okay, I've got to question for you.
In the past month, a raven...
now actually a pair of ravenshave come to our little place
here in medina and it's if i gooutside when i go outside to
feed two of our cats he will hewill call at me or you know that
noise they make how oh manyou're so lucky i listen i love
(42:19):
ravens i really connect to thembut how what can i do to really
get a real relationship going imean he tries to eat the corn
every once in a while that I putout for the deer.
But do you have any suggestionson how I can get that raven to
really be my buddy?
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
Well, you can do it.
They like bright, shiny trinketsand baubles.
And if you start leaving littlethings out for him, he might
start bringing things back.
But you have to be very, verycareful because if you do that,
people will start saying you'rea raven lunatic.
SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
Good one.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
That was really a
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
good one.
That's a zinger.
I think it runs in the family.
I
SPEAKER_04 (43:07):
think it does, too.
I'm going to do it, but when yousay put things out, Should I
like put them out in the yard orlike at a certain place, the
same place all the time?
SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
I have no idea.
That was all just about thepunchline.
SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
But you're right.
That's right.
They bring gifts.
They bring gifts to you.
Oh, I'm going to
SPEAKER_03 (43:28):
walk away from that.
SPEAKER_04 (43:31):
Yeah.
Well, we have a cat that decidedit was a feral cat.
Anyway, she's now living in thehouse and has taken over.
But she constantly is trying tobring in an almost dead lizard
or a bird.
And it just breaks my heart.
I mean, I'm like, okay, you'regrounded.
(43:52):
You're not going outside for twodays.
And, of course, that doesn'thappen.
But anyway.
SPEAKER_03 (43:58):
She's in the parasitic era.
SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
She's a huntress.
I don't think you can take itout of those cats.
SPEAKER_04 (44:08):
Okay, speaking of cats, okay, what animal has more
lives than a cat?
SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
What?
SPEAKER_04 (44:14):
Frogs.
They croak every night.
SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
Oh,
SPEAKER_03 (44:18):
gosh.
Oh, I love that.
That's a good one.
I've got to remember that
SPEAKER_04 (44:24):
one.
Well, you still have a memory.
You're young.
No, you are compared to us.
Eileen's younger than I am.
SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
Not by much.
But she doesn't look
SPEAKER_04 (44:35):
like
SPEAKER_01 (44:35):
it.
Hey, I just want to ask you onething.
Because this was so neat when Isaw it on your Facebook.
Amanda likes Friends, the TVshow.
Friends.
She adores that show.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (44:53):
Jennifer Aniston is her favorite.
She loves that show.
SPEAKER_01 (44:58):
I had a really bad job once.
And so I would come home fromit, and that night, Wednesday or
whatever night they were on,that's the way I settled down
and got my head out of thatstuff and watched Friends.
Well, you drew a picture forAmanda, right?
Tell us about that.
SPEAKER_03 (45:21):
Her bucket list.
SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (45:24):
Amanda had a bucket list and one thing on her list
was meeting the cast of Friends.
Wow.
She said I would like to havelunch with them.
She thinks they're allvegetarian except Courtney Cox.
She probably eats meat.
SPEAKER_01 (45:39):
Tell her.
Did she say what?
SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
I don't know why.
What the distinction is aboutCourtney Cox that made her think
she was the only carnivore inthe group.
But I drew a picture of hersitting with them all having
lunch and she's cracking them upas she would.
They're all laughing and theyall have a bowl of salad except
Courtney Cox is sitting therewith her fork and a knife and
(46:03):
each hand and the steak in frontof her.
SPEAKER_01 (46:08):
What's Amanda having?
Salad too?
SPEAKER_03 (46:11):
Oh, Amanda gets pizza.
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
Oh, pizza.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
And in the picture, she's wrapping her hand around
the pizza, sliding it away fromJennifer Aniston.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Can you send, I mean, would it be okay if you
sent Nancy that?
SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
Oh, yeah.
We've talked about
SPEAKER_01 (46:28):
it.
Yeah, you can put it
SPEAKER_03 (46:30):
up there.
Oh,
SPEAKER_04 (46:32):
great.
And folks, I just want to telleverybody that when we do this
podcast, when I launch it, whathappens is I also put it on my
blog, the Cousin Nancy blog, andanyway, you can find it, and
this is where you're going tofind the pictures that Nancy has
sent me, and this picture ofAmanda eating lunch with a
(46:55):
friend's cast.
That is so, yeah, please do sendthat to me, and I will
definitely get that.
But anyone who wants to tellWe'll see you next time.
(47:29):
Of course, if they're listeningto this, they probably have
already figured it out.
SPEAKER_03 (47:38):
Well, it's good.
It's like doing a commercialbreak for yourself.
SPEAKER_04 (47:42):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Well, listen, we're gettingclose to almost an hour here.
Nancy, why don't you tell uswhatever you want to tell us
right now.
SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
Oh, tell us whatever you want to tell us.
Well, I want to say thank youfor this opportunity to get on
here and hang out with you guys.
It's been great fun and a nicerespite for me.
SPEAKER_04 (48:07):
We need to do this again, seriously.
And if people go to Facebook,they can find or follow you
about what's going on with yourtrying to get visitation rights,
right?
UNKNOWN (48:20):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (48:20):
Yes.
Okay, great.
That will be on my blog whereyou can go there and look.
And I guess it's just Nancy J.
Bailey on Facebook,
SPEAKER_03 (48:33):
correct?
I think it's Cliffy's Mom.
SPEAKER_04 (48:37):
Oh, Cliffy's Mom,
SPEAKER_03 (48:38):
okay.
I'm pretty sure.
But I sent you a link.
Yeah, I will put
SPEAKER_04 (48:44):
that on the blog so they can follow that, yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's see.
SPEAKER_01 (48:53):
Do I need to tell another joke?
Well, did you want to addanything, Nancy?
SPEAKER_03 (49:01):
Well, math isn't my thing, so I...
SPEAKER_01 (49:10):
We get it.
You're starting to scare me now.
Hey, well, yeah, I was going toask you about any books in the
works, but now I know you and Ican't talk.
SPEAKER_03 (49:20):
I do have a book in the works.
It's about my horse trainingbook that's going to be
hopefully released next year.
I have a I have a in twenty six.
We'll see how that goes.
I've had a little bit of delaywith my production.
The publisher has recentlychanged hands, but it's not
(49:41):
their fault.
It's more my fault because Ihave to take instructional
pictures and winter came.
SPEAKER_02 (49:47):
They
SPEAKER_03 (49:48):
didn't want them in the winter because they don't
want fuzzy horses.
SPEAKER_01 (49:52):
They want gorgeous horses.
They have to
SPEAKER_03 (49:55):
be clean, which is going to be a challenge in
itself.
SPEAKER_04 (50:00):
Nancy, I'm curious.
It's 101 degrees here right nowin Texas.
Yeah, what's the temperaturethere?
SPEAKER_03 (50:06):
Today,
SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
I think it's about 50.
Oh, that's not bad.
No.
It's very nice.
What about, do you freeze everynight?
SPEAKER_03 (50:17):
Right now, I think we're kind of done with that.
We're down like in the 40s atnight.
Oh, that's great.
SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
Oh, I'm jealous.
But I think
SPEAKER_03 (50:24):
almost Canada.
We've had a very cold spring,though, this year.
It's taken a while to getspring.
It's not always this late in theseason.
SPEAKER_04 (50:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
But it's beautiful.
We got fields of trillium in thewoods popping out, the white
flowers with three petals.
And the ground is just whitewith those right now.
Oh,
SPEAKER_04 (50:44):
how beautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
Nancy, are you getting any of the monarchs yet?
SPEAKER_03 (50:50):
Not yet.
They're migrating up this way,but they won't be here for a
while.
They have to show up when themilkweed is ready.
SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
Well, you know, what's so odd here, we are a
migration pathway.
That's right.
I think I
SPEAKER_03 (51:06):
remember you telling me that.
Have you seen honey?
UNKNOWN (51:09):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (51:09):
Well, no, not this year.
We have in the past, butsometimes I don't even see any.
Do you, Nancy?
SPEAKER_04 (51:19):
Well, I need to get my glasses.
SPEAKER_01 (51:24):
But, you know, what we have is antelope.
What is it called?
Antelope horn, which is themilkweed, our milkweed.
And that doesn't...
Actually, blooms and thathappens after they've come
through here.
UNKNOWN (51:43):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (51:44):
I guess what they do is they will put the eggs
underneath the leaves.
Oh, okay.
And then leave, you know, andthen eventually those will hatch
and move on.
But I just wonder because sheactually has brought them inside
and hatched them.
SPEAKER_03 (52:06):
I don't want to say hatch.
What is it?
The last couple of years, I havebeen bringing them in and
hatching them.
It's an amazing transformationto watch.
SPEAKER_02 (52:17):
It's
SPEAKER_03 (52:18):
so hard to wrap your brain around that.
Something that starts out as alittle striped grub.
SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Exactly.
It just
SPEAKER_03 (52:25):
makes its own turn, sheds its skin and hangs itself
up and turns green and then outcomes a Winged fairy.
SPEAKER_01 (52:36):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (52:37):
Orange
SPEAKER_01 (52:37):
butterfly.
Exactly.
And just to look at that littletiny pinhead dot of an ant.
They look like
SPEAKER_03 (52:48):
a grain of salt.
You don't really look for them.
SPEAKER_01 (52:53):
I know.
It's hard to see.
It is.
I thought I saw two.
So they're on their
SPEAKER_03 (53:10):
way back.
SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
Do you think they can get through?
What?
I don't know.
They have a wall out there now.
I don't know.
I have not.
SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
They come all the way back here.
They come from you to me.
SPEAKER_01 (53:34):
Yes.
And those are the ones in Mexicothat make that long, long, how
many miles is that?
5,000 miles?
4,000 miles?
Yeah, all the way up there.
SPEAKER_04 (53:46):
That is so
SPEAKER_01 (53:47):
cool.
SPEAKER_04 (53:48):
Okay, I've got one more.
What do you call a sleepingbull?
Ready?
SPEAKER_01 (53:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (53:55):
A bulldozer.
A
SPEAKER_01 (53:57):
bulldozer.
Okay.
Can I
SPEAKER_03 (54:00):
just jump your punchline?
I'm sorry.
It just flew out of my mouth.
SPEAKER_01 (54:07):
You're quick.
SPEAKER_04 (54:10):
Well, I tell you what, is there anything you want
to tell your listeners andfollowers?
SPEAKER_03 (54:16):
Oh, I just want to say thank you so much for
listening.
This is great.
So much fun.
I'm totally new.
This is my first ever podcast asa guest talking to other people.
SPEAKER_01 (54:28):
Well, then
SPEAKER_04 (54:29):
we broke you in.
Yeah, but are you sure we're notrobots?
Yeah.
Oh, good point.
SPEAKER_01 (54:41):
Well, hopefully your next podcast will go well.
SPEAKER_04 (54:46):
You need to stay in touch because this really has
been fun and I'd love to doanother podcast at some point.
Oh, me too.
It would be a blast.
Okay, it'll only be$45.
No, I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_01 (55:02):
She's already broken into this chillable.
SPEAKER_03 (55:06):
She gets you sucked in.
The first podcast is free.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (55:13):
You know, it's just like all those streaming TV
shows.
Of
SPEAKER_04 (55:17):
course, now Eileen's going to ask me, well, how much
are you going to pay me?
Well, yeah.
Well, y'all listen, I reallywant to thank you, Nancy, so
much for spending an hour,almost an hour with us.
And I wish you all the best andyou and Amanda and Eileen thank
you very much and I'm going toleave everybody with my most
(55:41):
favorite quote life is short andso am I adios adios
SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
bye
Howdy, folks.
This is Cousin Nancy.
Welcome to the Cousin NancyShow.
And today I am excited aboutthis podcast.
You're not going to believethis.
First off, I'm doing athree-way.
And then what it is, is Eileenhas volunteered to help me do
(00:20):
this podcast because she's agood friend of our guest, who is
Nancy J.
Bailey.
And Eileen, welcome to the show.
Thank you.
Thank you.
And Nancy, you there?
Nancy.
I'm just kidding.
I thought it would be funny if Ididn't say
SPEAKER_03 (00:39):
anything.
SPEAKER_01 (00:40):
Uh-oh, we're going to be in trouble.
I know.
She's going to keep us on ourtoes.
I was
SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
looking your ear off before this happened.
Now it's like nothing.
SPEAKER_04 (00:48):
Nancy, thank you so much for agreeing to do this
show.
I'm really excited.
Folks, Nancy J.
Bailey is one of my mostfavorite authors next to me.
I said next to me, okay?
And anyway, Nancy has had oneextraordinary adventure.
(01:12):
I mean, her life is just filledwith stuff.
I mean, I'm like, I look at herand I think, God, what have I
SPEAKER_01 (01:20):
accomplished?
We're drags.
SPEAKER_04 (01:23):
Anyway, okay, I'm going to just do a little bit of
reading to introduce Nancy tothis, and then we're going to
start talking and telling jokes.
Okay.
Nancy is a Michigan nativewildlife artist and author.
And Eileen is an unprofessional.
(01:43):
Sorry.
Sorry about that.
Okay.
Okay, Eileen, once that happensagain, you're fired.
SPEAKER_01 (01:51):
Okay.
You remember, I'm a volunteer.
That's
SPEAKER_04 (01:54):
true.
Okay, Nancy is a Michigan nativewildlife artist, and her work is
self-effacing humor.
A list of some of her things areshe's written books about
Clifford of Drummond Island,Return to Manitou, or Manitou,
do y'all say Manitou or Manitou?
SPEAKER_03 (02:15):
It depends on whether you like two or two
more, and this is a three-way,so I guess we're going to go
with Manitou.
SPEAKER_04 (02:24):
Okay, so Return to Manitou and Clifford's Bay, a
trilogy featuring true horsestories.
One thing right off the bat,Nancy has had horses.
Eileen, what did you say aboutClifford?
SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
Well, Clifford, I followed Clifford.
Nancy on Facebook for years.
You stalked her.
I wouldn't say that.
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
You are not alone.
SPEAKER_01 (02:52):
However, let's get back to Clifford.
Okay.
Clifford, I said, is the horsethat's smarter than Mr.
Ed.
SPEAKER_04 (03:00):
He's got to be.
SPEAKER_01 (03:02):
And for those that are...
Born after 61.
That was a sitcom that was thefavorite of all of us kids.
SPEAKER_04 (03:11):
I know.
I wanted Mr.
Ed.
I mean, I was in love with him.
In fact, Palominos, period,because of Roy Rogers.
SPEAKER_01 (03:17):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_04 (03:18):
Yes.
Okay.
So now, okay.
So now, anyway, Nancy, okay.
Nancy is a professional dogtrainer, cat trainer, horse
trainer.
SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Bird trainer.
SPEAKER_04 (03:32):
Bird trainer.
And...
She does the clicker method, andwe're going to talk about that
in just a little bit.
One of the reasons how I metNancy or found out about her was
Eileen here gave me a book 10years ago called The North Side
of Down, which is a true storyof two sisters, and they
(03:52):
co-authored the book.
And it is an amazing, amazingbook.
And didn't it win an award?
SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
Yes, the winner of the 2015 Honorary Medallion from
the BRAG, or better known asBook Readers Appreciation Group.
And that book is only one out of2,000 they've ever given.
SPEAKER_04 (04:13):
That is amazing.
Now I'm jealous.
Okay.
Nancy has written a nonfictionstory with American Eagle
Foundation's Right?
Okay, I'm not getting thatcorrect.
Okay, other books by Nancyinclude My Best Cat, A Murder
(04:35):
Mystery, Holding the Ladder,which is a novel, The Sleeping
Lion, which is another novel,The Cure for Shyness, A Love
Story, and she's an avid, like Isaid, avid animal trailer.
She's put out four instructionalbooks.
One is 25 Ways to Raise a GreatPuppy, 15 rules for clicker
(04:57):
training your horse.
15 rules for clicker trainingyour cat.
15 rules for clicker trainingyour dog.
I've got to get those becauseeven though I love animals, I
kind of let them walk all overme.
You know what I mean?
Okay, Nancy.
Oh, and then one of Nancy'sstories about her sister Amanda.
(05:17):
And hey, I want to just shoutout to Amanda.
Hi, Amanda.
And I'd love to meet you.
And anyway, this appeared in thechicken soup of the sister's
soul part two nancy is acommunity works with a theater
she's a community theater buffand she has written directed and
(05:38):
produced and acted in several ofher own plays including on
lining up a comedy which earneda ctam award what is a ctam
SPEAKER_03 (05:49):
award Community Theater Association of the
Midwest.
SPEAKER_04 (05:55):
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
And Nancy.
Oh, Nancy is an incredibleartist.
She gifted me a beautifulwatercolor of me.
Riding a Palomino into theWoods.
And it is in my writing studio.
I love that.
Thank you again for that somuch.
(06:17):
Let's see.
You specialize in paintinghorses.
Okay, you do watercolor,acrylics, oils, pencil, pen, and
ink.
Wow.
And capturing the spirit of theindividual animal in each.
And you work on slate.
Wow.
(06:38):
Okay.
Okay, what does it say here?
It says, unfortunately, most ofher portraits are post-mortem,
and she describes herself as theangel of death.
That could be the title of thisepisode.
It could be.
Okay.
Eileen, why don't you ask hersomething?
SPEAKER_01 (06:58):
Sure.
Nancy...
How about telling us about yoursister, Amanda, who co-wrote the
book with you, North Side ofDown.
And I just finished rereadingit, and it's just as great as it
was the first time.
I totally agree.
Yeah.
And talk about maybe the awardthat you got and how she got
(07:19):
involved with you.
Oh, well.
I know that's a lot, but you'llhave to break it down.
UNKNOWN (07:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (07:29):
Well, first of all, what an introduction.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (07:32):
I'm like, who is this person?
I feel like I spend most of mydays just laying around yelling
at dogs.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Is the show over now?
SPEAKER_01 (07:48):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (07:50):
It took a long time.
SPEAKER_01 (07:51):
You are.
Can you talk to us about thebook and Amanda or anything you
want to about Amanda?
SPEAKER_03 (07:59):
Because it takes, you know, so many years to get
all that done.
SPEAKER_01 (08:03):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (08:05):
The book, The North Side of Down.
Thank you for bringing that upbecause my sister who co-wrote
it is Amanda.
Amanda Bailey.
She was born in 1970.
Amanda has Down syndrome.
And I am eight years older thanshe is.
(08:26):
And when I was young, I used tolike to write horse stories.
I would go sit in my roomupstairs and write pages and
pages of stories about horsesthat I just made up.
And I didn't have a horse then,but it was my dream.
And Amanda was very bonded tome.
(08:49):
She would climb up the stairsfrom a very young age and just
sit with me while I wrote pageafter page and illustrated them.
So I grew up because I'm stilldoing the same thing.
But Amanda learned to read whenshe was about– she was still in
school, so she was– She stayedin school, I think, until she
(09:13):
was 26.
I might be wrong about this, butI think that was the year she
graduated, and she wasilliterate until she was about
the ending of her teens, andthen I got her that program,
Hooked on Phonics.
And that made a difference.
It helped her.
She took it to her school.
(09:33):
She was in a special ed school.
And all the kids in her classused it.
The teachers put them to workand they learned to read.
And I first heard Amanda readingout loud.
She was reading Green Eggs andHam.
SPEAKER_01 (09:47):
Oh, my
SPEAKER_03 (09:47):
goodness.
And it was just a completechange in her life because her
bedroom exploded with pages andpages of writing on spiral bound
notes.
paper exactly as I used to do.
And all those hours she spentsitting with me, watching me do
(10:07):
that.
And she started writing her ownstories and writing her thoughts
and journaling.
And she was just very prolific.
She would sit and write forhours.
And that was her goal.
And in fact, she still doesthat.
SPEAKER_01 (10:24):
But I
SPEAKER_03 (10:25):
asked her, how would you like to be an author?
How would you like to Help mewrite a book.
And she thought that was great.
She got so excited about it.
And so she wrote her ownsegments and she writes the
introduction to each chapter inour story.
And the story is about what itwas like growing up for her and
(10:49):
me growing up with Down syndromein a small community in this
little tip of the CrookedPeninsula in the upper upper
part of Michigan
SPEAKER_02 (11:01):
so
SPEAKER_03 (11:01):
it's a pretty remote location and then what happened
with Amanda when our agingparents fell ill one after
another and then they both diedand the battle that happened for
possession of Amanda's soulfollowing the death of our
parents because my dad haddocumented what he wanted to
(11:25):
happen to her but he trustedpeople And he wrote things down
that were never followedthrough.
And so one sister swooped in andwanted Amanda, wanted that
guardianship for herself.
And then the older brother camein and they had a war right
after the death of our father incourt.
And Amanda had to go tell thejudge what she wanted.
(11:47):
And she stayed with me throughthe whole thing.
And we just kept writing.
SPEAKER_01 (11:52):
So when did you
SPEAKER_03 (11:54):
journal the whole thing?
SPEAKER_01 (11:55):
That's what I was.
Yeah.
And so after that happened,that's when you wrote the book
with her.
Is that right?
SPEAKER_03 (12:01):
It was during.
SPEAKER_01 (12:02):
During.
Oh, okay.
While it was happening.
I see.
SPEAKER_04 (12:04):
Okay, but don't.
We were working on it steadilythe whole time.
Don't give away the ending.
We don't want to give away.
Oh, yeah, the ending.
Don't tell all of us.
We don't want to give away allof it.
No spoilers.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (12:13):
That's what it's about.
SPEAKER_04 (12:15):
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you what.
Some of the funniest pages iny'all's book is Amanda.
I mean.
You're right.
I love her humor.
She is fabulous.
SPEAKER_01 (12:26):
Exactly.
I got goosebumps.
To the part that is my favorite,which is when she's on the ride
at the circus.
UNKNOWN (12:39):
Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
And I just can't stop laughing at that
description.
Of course, that was yourdescription, but she was the
star that night, right?
SPEAKER_03 (12:54):
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
She's a wicked riot, that's forsure, especially when you get to
know her one-liners.
They'll just knock you down.
You don't see them coming.
SPEAKER_04 (13:04):
Well, I literally burst out laughing.
I forget what happened, buty'all were talking about what do
you want to do when you die?
What's going to happen?
And Amanda, I can't say exactlybecause I'm not looking at the
book, but Amanda said somethinglike, just prop me up.
the jukebox
SPEAKER_03 (13:23):
yes prop me up beside the jukebox yeah i love
it and when she said that ididn't realize it was a country
song because my mother wassaying well i want to be buried
next to dad with a hole in thecasket and our hands sticking
out so we can hold handsthroughout eternity and you know
each one was taking turns ofwhat they want to have happen
(13:45):
when they die and Amanda goes,you can just prop me up the side
that you
SPEAKER_01 (13:52):
brought.
Well, it sounds like sheinherited some of your mom's
humor,
SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
too.
Yeah.
My parents were both uproarious.
We had big laughs in that house.
Amanda, she has a real goodcomic timing and a really good
sense of what is funny.
And she'll set her sights onyou.
If she decides she wants tocrack you up, she'll figure out
(14:20):
a way to do it.
She's really good at it, waybetter than me.
The funny thing is the surpriseattack, because you don't expect
it from her.
SPEAKER_02 (14:32):
She's
SPEAKER_03 (14:34):
barely five feet tall, and she's just this little
thing, and she has this obviousdisability.
But man, that makes her theperfect ambush.
SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
Oh, absolutely,
SPEAKER_03 (14:46):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (14:47):
She's got some zingers in that book, too.
That's hilarious.
SPEAKER_03 (14:55):
She is a beautiful writer.
SPEAKER_01 (14:57):
She is, absolutely.
Both of you, exactly.
I hope that you both can doanother book sometimes together.
I
SPEAKER_03 (15:04):
know she would like that, and I would, too.
She's great fun to work with.
SPEAKER_01 (15:08):
Well, I bet.
SPEAKER_03 (15:10):
Yes.
So right now, I'm in the middleof a legal action with her
guardian.
Amanda lives in Arizona and Ilive in Michigan and I have to
file for visitation because Ihave to, we want to go to the
movies.
It's been 10 years since we'vebeen to the movies and the
guardian won't let us go.
And when somebody's in aguardianship, they basically
(15:33):
have all their civil rightstaken away.
SPEAKER_02 (15:35):
They
SPEAKER_03 (15:36):
don't get to make any choices.
So I've had to file a petitionjust to take my sister for a
girl's day out.
Well,
SPEAKER_04 (15:45):
y'all loved those.
In your book, you kept talkingabout how y'all would always go
to the movies and then eatpizza.
Eat pizza and go to the movies.
SPEAKER_01 (15:56):
Girls' Night Out.
That's been a
SPEAKER_03 (15:57):
tradition for a long time.
Many, many years.
We've seen many movies together,and it ended about 10 years ago
when The Guardian decided thatwasn't going to happen anymore.
SPEAKER_01 (16:09):
Well, Nancy, I know that you've been...
I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (16:14):
it's okay i i was going to say i've been trying to
you know i tried mediation umseveral times trying to try and
make a peaceful um resolutionwith him and you know now it's
just me versus a bunch ofsiblings and they're all against
us getting together i thinkbecause they don't like what we
(16:36):
wrote
SPEAKER_01 (16:37):
We
SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
wrote the truth, and they're trying to get our book
banned, and they're trying toput a gag order
SPEAKER_01 (16:44):
on us.
Oh, goodness.
Well, you know, really, you'redoing...
Unfortunately, you've got thisgoing on, but I think the bigger
picture is that at some point,both of you will end up helping
in guardianship regulations andrules and all that...
especially after seeing evensome celebrities that have had
(17:07):
guardianship that ended up inpublic eye.
But I think that both of you, Ihope that it works out great for
both of you, and maybe it willhelp others in the long run.
SPEAKER_03 (17:20):
Yeah, that would be that's my dearest wish.
SPEAKER_01 (17:24):
And I'm sure I'm sure change gets
SPEAKER_03 (17:27):
to
SPEAKER_01 (17:28):
be changed.
Right.
And I'm sure Amanda would wantthat, too, for sure.
OK,
SPEAKER_04 (17:32):
y'all, it's time for me to tell a joke.
OK.
OK.
Whoops.
OK, there we go.
There we go.
OK.
Let's see.
Okay.
Yeah, okay.
I have a cousin, Boomer, and thestrangest things happen to him,
and they're true.
Anyway, I'm going to tell you atrue story about cousin Boomer
(17:52):
during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Okay.
Boomer was feeling very lonely,so he decided he wanted to get a
pet to keep him company.
So he put on his coat and hisblue mask, and he went down the
street to the pet store.
After the owner of the pet storehad shown Boomer turtles guinea
(18:13):
pigs fish some bunnies uh boomerdecided he'd rather have a bird
so they went over to this hugebird cage and that was in the
corner of the store and therewere about 40 green parakeets
and they uh they were guaranteedto sing and they had little 15
dollar price tags attached totheir legs the birds all looked
(18:34):
just alike except one bird had a$122 price tag on his leg.
Boomer asked the owner why thatone particular parakeet was so
much more expensive than theothers.
And the owner told him, he said,not only does that bird sing, he
talks too.
So Boomer purchased theexpensive singing, talking
(18:57):
parakeet.
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and he
told the owner, my bird did notsing and he did not talk.
The owner asked him, did he peckon his little bell?
No, he doesn't have a littlebell.
Well, birds love bells.
So Boomer asked him, how much isit?
He said, ten bucks.
(19:17):
So Boomer bought a little belland he went back home.
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and told
the owner, my bird did not singand he did not talk, but he did
peck on his little bell.
The store owner smiled and hesaid, did he climb up and down
his little ladder?
(19:38):
And Boomer told him, he says, hedoesn't have a ladder.
And he said, how much is aladder?
And the owner said, 15 bucks.
So Boomer purchased the littleladder and he went back home.
I'm getting close to the endhere.
Anyway, he went back home, andthe next morning, Boomer went
back to the store, and he toldthe owner, my bird did not sing,
(20:02):
and he did not talk.
But he did peck on his littlebell, and he did climb up and
down the
SPEAKER_00 (20:07):
little ladder.
SPEAKER_04 (20:08):
The pet store owner smiled, and he said, well, did
he look in his little mirror?
And Boomer says, he doesn't havea mirror.
How much is a little mirror?
And he said,$20 soap.
Boomer pulled out a 20 and laidit on the counter.
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and he
told the owner, my bird did notsing and he did not talk.
(20:32):
But he did peck on his littlebell, climb up and down his
ladder, and he did look in hislittle mirror.
The store owner smiled again.
Did he swing on his littleswing?
Boomer, he says, he doesn't havea little swing.
How much is a little swing?
That's only 15 bucks.
So Boomer purchased the littleswing.
(20:52):
The next morning, Boomer wentback to the pet store and he
told the owner, my bird is dead.
The owner was shocked and heasked, what happened?
Boomer said, this morning afterI removed the bird cage cover,
My little bird pecked on hislittle bell, climbed halfway up
his little ladder, and then hestopped and looked at me.
(21:14):
And I could swear that littlebird smiled at me.
Then he looked at his littlemirror, and then he got on his
little swing.
He swung a few times.
And then, right before he rolledhis eyes and died and fell off
his little swing, the bird said,Don't they sell...
Birdseed?
UNKNOWN (21:33):
Oh, God.
SPEAKER_04 (21:33):
That's bad.
SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER_03 (21:38):
I've got to tell you, I'm a boomer, okay?
And I resemble that.
SPEAKER_04 (21:47):
Tell us, now, you used to take your horse,
Clifford, your famous horse,Clifford, to libraries and to
schools, right?
UNKNOWN (21:55):
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (21:56):
yeah and uh that was to promote reading okay what is
the deal about you took cliffordinto the capitol building in
michigan
SPEAKER_03 (22:07):
yeah yeah um we visited not in the capitol
building but we went into thethe governor's office building
with a crowd of protesters whowere it was during the rain of
i'm going to call it the rainwhat do you call that um When a
governor is in office, what'sthat word?
(22:30):
It was during his time inoffice.
SPEAKER_04 (22:32):
Service.
During his service or no?
I don't
SPEAKER_03 (22:36):
know.
Yeah, whatever.
You know what I mean.
SPEAKER_04 (22:38):
I'm
SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
supposed
SPEAKER_01 (22:38):
to
SPEAKER_03 (22:38):
be the writer and I have no vote.
SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
Well, those are legal words.
SPEAKER_03 (22:45):
A group of us were protesting...
line five which is a an oilpipeline that's owned by a
canadian company and it runsunder the straits of mackinac
which is um the the top of thelower peninsula and the straits
of mackinac connects lake huron
SPEAKER_00 (23:03):
to
SPEAKER_03 (23:04):
lake michigan to lake which you know goes up into
lake superior so there are threegreat lakes um that kind of
depend on on the straights andtherefore having an oil tunnel
underneath this
SPEAKER_04 (23:20):
doesn't make sense
SPEAKER_03 (23:23):
right yeah can you imagine and the thing is over
six it's older than i am i'm notgoing to say how old that is but
i didn't say i'm a boomer so youthat'll give you some idea it's
over half a century old and it'shad anchor strikes and dents and
you know it's just a a greathazard to our water system
SPEAKER_04 (23:43):
yeah yeah
SPEAKER_03 (23:45):
so um but it's it's owned by um enbridge a canadian
company that's already had a badspill in the kalamazoo river so
we were out there trying to getthis we want to get this
pipeline shut off and they werewalking with a um they made a
billboard for him out of posterboard and he was like a walking
(24:09):
A walking billboard.
The
SPEAKER_01 (24:11):
Houston is a sandwich
SPEAKER_03 (24:14):
board.
He had a little blank, hislittle blankie on.
And we went, one of the sayingson him was, say nay to oil.
Well, I bet.
We marched with the group and wewalked right into his office
building.
And there was a whole bunch ofpeople there in the lobby.
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It was crowded, and they wereyelling, you know, no oil, no
oil, save our water.
And he's just standing there.
I mean, he's not doing anything.
He's just standing there withme, and we got kicked out.
The cops
SPEAKER_04 (24:47):
came.
SPEAKER_01 (24:48):
The cops came.
Uh-oh.
The
SPEAKER_04 (24:50):
cops
SPEAKER_03 (24:50):
showed up.
Well,
SPEAKER_04 (24:51):
the
SPEAKER_03 (24:51):
good
SPEAKER_04 (24:51):
thing is you didn't get arrested.
SPEAKER_03 (24:54):
No.
You know it's a party when thecops show up.
So he made me remove them.
I had some pictures, though, anddid some interviews with them.
with some local radio, and itwas great because we got the
word out there, and he broughtso much attention because it was
such a weird thing to do.
And after we walked backoutside, the police officer
(25:18):
wanted to feed him a peppermint.
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
He was just doing his job inside, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:27):
I've never done that before.
SPEAKER_04 (25:28):
Nancy, you're on Facebook.
Now, can people go there and seepictures of Clifford and your
animal?
and stuff like that?
SPEAKER_03 (25:39):
Just a few.
SPEAKER_04 (25:40):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
You have to really look for them.
SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
I don't think.
I think she's kidding.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You got to pick through allthose pictures to find those
animals.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (25:55):
I've got Clifford's understudy, Cliffy Jr., and he's
related to both Clifford and mymare, Trudy, And so he's picking
up the torch.
He's doing stuff.
He goes to the libraries.
And he's been to the hospital,Sparrow Hospital.
Wow.
The oncology kids there inLansing.
(26:17):
And he's doing a really goodjob.
He's a real good egg.
So we're still out there.
We're still out there pushingthe equine love.
Oh,
SPEAKER_04 (26:26):
yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:27):
Nancy, tell us how your trick for keeping the
Clifford Jr., From using thepotty inside.
UNKNOWN (26:37):
Oh.
SPEAKER_01 (26:40):
That's what everybody asks, right?
SPEAKER_03 (26:43):
That's the question.
SPEAKER_01 (26:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (26:48):
Are we allowed to say poop on this?
Yes.
SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
Yes.
Just don't say crap.
So go ahead.
Let's, let's find
SPEAKER_03 (27:02):
out.
You don't want to have a crappypodcast,
SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
but a poopy one would be fine.
SPEAKER_03 (27:09):
So corny.
She's such a great, she lovesit.
Everything.
This is so good.
I can say anything and shelaughs.
Nancy laughs.
SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
That's right.
Eileen laughs too.
That's right.
SPEAKER_03 (27:23):
I knew she was going to be a good one because of the
name.
SPEAKER_01 (27:26):
Right.
In fact, I am literallysandwiched between two Nancys.
Right?
SPEAKER_04 (27:35):
Let's take a picture.
Okay.
Nancy, I've never...
That's an awful lot of baloney.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I got to tell you, I'venever done a call-in podcast
because you're up in Michigan,northern Michigan, right?
Yes.
Well, anyway, right now in,quote, the Bigfoot studio,
(27:55):
recording studio...
Eileen are actually in ourlittle kitchen with the island
where the computer and all thisis recording it.
Anyway, because the only way Icould figure out how to do this
with you, for us to do this withyou, is I had my iPhone sitting
on top of my favorite box of redwine.
(28:19):
And so anyway, my iPhone isalmost directly into the
microphone.
Anyway, it looks pretty weirdright now if you were to
SPEAKER_01 (28:29):
see this.
We'll send you a picture of
SPEAKER_04 (28:31):
it.
SPEAKER_03 (28:33):
I wish I realized this was a drinking show.
SPEAKER_01 (28:38):
Well, pour your glass.
So tell us about how you teachthem not to poop inside.
SPEAKER_04 (28:46):
Yes, back to the serious stuff.
Oh, well, poop is very serious.
SPEAKER_01 (28:52):
Yeah.
And they do it a lot.
UNKNOWN (28:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:55):
I do warn everybody anytime we go anywhere.
I always tell him, you know, heknows what he's supposed to do,
but there's no guaranteesbecause he's only human.
SPEAKER_04 (29:07):
That's right.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (29:11):
Everybody knows.
There's a process.
I'm actually working on a bookabout it, so I can't talk about
it.
And I already told you we couldtalk about anything, and I lied.
because this is the one thingthat I can't give my training
secrets.
SPEAKER_01 (29:27):
Oh, okay.
Oh, right.
Okay.
Well, that's okay.
But
SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
this is a real publisher.
It won't be me doing
SPEAKER_01 (29:33):
it.
Oh, wonderful.
Well, you can't say anythingmore about it, right?
SPEAKER_03 (29:39):
Well, not too much.
SPEAKER_04 (29:40):
Yeah.
Okay, but if people want to findyou and follow you, they can go
to Amazon, right, the books, andfollow you, and they can also
follow you on Facebook,
SPEAKER_03 (29:52):
right?
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (29:55):
Okay, speaking, by the way, of poop, before we
change the subject, I have alittle joke for you, not as long
as the other one, but what didthe judge say when the skunk
walked in the courtroom?
Odor in the court.
SPEAKER_03 (30:15):
Okay.
Okay, all right.
Nancy, do you?
He's already dressed for prison.
He's in the black and whitestripes.
There may be a bias in thatstory.
SPEAKER_04 (30:29):
Did you take art lessons?
How did you learn to do yourbeautiful art?
SPEAKER_03 (30:36):
I did.
I took a couple years incollege.
It was my major.
I majored in creative writing
SPEAKER_00 (30:45):
in the beginning.
SPEAKER_03 (30:47):
And then I transferred to Central Michigan.
I started out at Lake SuperiorState University.
And then I, back when it wasstill Lake Superior State
College.
And then I transferred toCentral Michigan University
where I studied fine and appliedarts.
Wow.
I was supposed to attend theInterlochen University.
(31:07):
arts academy when i was in highschool
SPEAKER_04 (31:10):
wow
SPEAKER_03 (31:11):
they wanted me because i wrote this story that
one was a finalist one of tenfinalists in a six thousand um
entry competition writingcompetition that was sponsored
by interlock and
SPEAKER_02 (31:26):
but
SPEAKER_03 (31:27):
um my parents didn't have the funds to send me there
they were all poor folk so wedidn't so i didn't go But it
would have been a greatopportunity.
But it was nice to beacknowledged.
SPEAKER_04 (31:39):
Well, the thing is, I mean, you are so good.
You didn't miss anythingbecause, I mean, your art,
really, you are so incredible.
I love the horses that you'vedone and stuff.
SPEAKER_01 (31:54):
What is your favorite subject?
to paint or draw.
Oh, I really
SPEAKER_03 (31:58):
appreciate that.
Thank you.
Oh, definitely horses.
I mean, there's no question.
They were probably the firstthing I ever started drawing.
That was a long time ago.
I won't say how long, but I am aboomer.
But it's very tail end to thebaby boom.
I almost didn't even get inunder the wire, so not that old.
SPEAKER_04 (32:19):
When the show ends, I'm going to go and type in what
was the ages of the boomers.
I'll figure this out.
SPEAKER_03 (32:28):
Then I'll find out I didn't actually make it.
SPEAKER_01 (32:32):
Well, you'd like that, wouldn't you?
I
SPEAKER_03 (32:37):
think
SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
it is, but nobody likes the boomers.
SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
The
SPEAKER_01 (32:46):
boomers.
Oh,
SPEAKER_03 (32:48):
you're right.
SPEAKER_01 (32:48):
I guess we're old fogies.
SPEAKER_03 (32:53):
Yeah, we are now.
SPEAKER_01 (32:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (32:55):
Isn't it strange being this
SPEAKER_01 (32:57):
age?
Yeah, well, they weren't in the70s, so they missed out.
SPEAKER_04 (33:02):
Nancy, not to scare you, but wait until you get my
age.
I'm 73, and it's like I look inthe mirror, and I look like I'm
83.
She
SPEAKER_01 (33:13):
does not.
SPEAKER_04 (33:13):
Okay, but how old do you feel?
How old do you think you are?
I would say about 65.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (33:21):
see?
SPEAKER_03 (33:22):
That's it.
That's how that works.
I think I'm in my 40s.
SPEAKER_01 (33:26):
Well, I think I'm 34.
Wow.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (33:31):
Y'all, I just decided what I'm going to title
this podcast.
So, Nancy, just so you can tellyour friends, it's going to be
called, okay, now, the book thatyou and Amanda wrote that
everyone is so popular is TheUps of Seaweed, The North Side
of the Downside.
SPEAKER_01 (33:50):
No.
Of down.
SPEAKER_04 (33:51):
The north side of down.
The north side of down.
Well, the podcast title is goingto be The Upside of the North
Side of
SPEAKER_02 (34:00):
the Down.
I love
SPEAKER_04 (34:02):
that.
SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
What a great idea.
SPEAKER_01 (34:06):
Okay.
Well, you got anything elseyou'd like to talk to us about?
Maybe...
SPEAKER_03 (34:14):
Can you
SPEAKER_01 (34:14):
read us a passage?
Yeah, that would be great.
SPEAKER_03 (34:18):
Well...
How much time do you have?
Because I can start at chapterone.
SPEAKER_01 (34:24):
Well, pick out one of the funny, the thing, maybe
something funny that Amanda hasdone or said.
Well,
SPEAKER_04 (34:33):
that circus deal.
That was
SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
hilarious.
Yeah, that one I
SPEAKER_04 (34:36):
love.
SPEAKER_03 (34:39):
The roller coaster?
Yes.
SPEAKER_01 (34:43):
Is that okay?
SPEAKER_03 (34:45):
Yeah, it is.
I should have marked it ahead oftime.
ahead of time.
I have to find it now.
You guys talk amongstyourselves.
Okay.
Don't say anything boringbecause they will hang up
SPEAKER_01 (34:57):
and not hear it.
Oh, we don't want that now.
Hey, how about if I tell my poopjoke?
SPEAKER_04 (35:02):
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01 (35:03):
Okay.
SPEAKER_04 (35:04):
Back to poop.
SPEAKER_01 (35:05):
Poop.
Okay, warning.
Frequency of human bearencounters.
This has been found on trails.
Hikers, please take extraprecautions and and wear little
noisy bells on clothing to giveadvanced warning and avoid
surprising the animals.
We also suggest carrying pepperspray in case of an encounter
(35:27):
with a bear.
Be vigilant for fresh bearactivity and distinguish between
black bear and grizzly bearfeces or poop.
Black bear feces are smaller andcontain lots of berries and
squirrel fur.
Grizzly bear poop has bells init and smells like pepper.
(35:52):
Happy hiking.
SPEAKER_04 (35:59):
Oh, my God.
Okay, here's a horse joke.
What did the horse say when itfell?
Help, I've fallen and I can'tgiddy up.
SPEAKER_02 (36:09):
Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER_01 (36:12):
Did you find it?
SPEAKER_03 (36:14):
I didn't find it, but I found a couple little
stories of Amanda.
SPEAKER_01 (36:21):
Okay, go right ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (36:23):
Here's one.
This is a conversation betweenher and me.
Me.
Amanda, your eye is red.
Does it hurt?
Amanda.
No.
Me.
Look that way.
Look this way.
Look up.
Amanda.
It's okay.
Me.
How many fingers am I holdingup?
Amanda.
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Two.
Making the shape of an L on herforehead.
How many fingers am I holdingup?
SPEAKER_01 (36:50):
She's good.
SPEAKER_03 (36:51):
That is
SPEAKER_01 (36:54):
great.
I
SPEAKER_03 (36:57):
got a second one.
Amanda and I are driving.
My dog, Till, scoots up from thebackseat, putting his head on
her shoulder.
She scratches him.
Hi, Till.
You take after your mother.
Hey! Well, she says, would it bebetter if I said, you got your
(37:18):
mother's good looks?
SPEAKER_04 (37:23):
Okay, Nancy, tell me this.
How many animals do you havecurrently?
SPEAKER_03 (37:30):
Oh, does that count mosquitoes?
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Well, you're feeding birds outside, right?
SPEAKER_03 (37:43):
Yeah, I have...
I do have a bunch of wild birdsand some chickadees that come
right to me.
Did you know you can tellchickadees apart?
SPEAKER_01 (37:52):
No.
SPEAKER_03 (37:53):
That is the craziest thing.
I never expected it to happen,but you can learn them.
Their markings are a little bitdifferent, but what you can
really tell is by theirbehaviors.
They come when I call them.
They come for peanuts, and theyland in my hand and take the
peanuts.
And right now, we're inmigration, so I'm getting all
kinds of cool...
(38:13):
birds.
I got a red-winged blackbird whohas only one foot.
He's a red-winged blackbird.
I named him after the DetroitRed Wings, so I named him Puck.
SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
Oh, that's a good one.
SPEAKER_03 (38:31):
And so him, you can always tell it's him because
he's missing that one foot andhe kind of stumps around like a
pirate.
And there's a lot of others thatare showing up now beautiful a
lot of beautiful bright yellowgold finches and many many more
birds
SPEAKER_01 (38:51):
well you know what
SPEAKER_03 (38:53):
i have i have currently i have three dogs two
of them are senior uh chihuahuasand i have a german shepherd
named gusto oh and i have threecats and um not the cat my
oldest cat is now 10 years oldwhich is so hard for me to wrap
my brain around.
We hired him to be in a movie.
(39:15):
I used to be with my girlfrienddown in Ann Arbor.
We ran Ann Arbor Animal Actors,an animal talent agency, and we
needed a cat for a movie, and sowe hired him.
And he was a 10-month-oldkitten.
And he had to do all thesebehaviors for this movie.
He had to come when I calledhim.
(39:35):
They put him out in an alley,and he had to run to me and You
know, and just up and downstairs and jump in and out of
boxes.
And he's kind of a big part inthe story.
And then you get attached.
I mean, what am I going to do?
The rescue we borrowed him from,he was already kind of big.
(39:56):
He's a black and white cat.
And they didn't, nobody wantedhim.
People wanted the littlekittens.
And I said, well, they can sayhe's a movie star.
For sure he'll get a home.
But he didn't, and so, you know,after that, he's still here 10
years later, waiting for a home.
SPEAKER_01 (40:16):
He's got one, I think.
How about that beautiful moviestar cat you've got?
Oh, you mean Notch?
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (40:28):
Notch is a flame point, fluffy Siamese type with
blue eyes and...
I found him in the woodsscreaming his head off when he
was only three weeks old.
So I had to bottle feed him andI named him Notch because for
short for not your cat, not yourcat.
SPEAKER_01 (40:52):
That didn't work either.
SPEAKER_03 (40:54):
Not my cat.
I'm still, that was duringCOVID.
So he's five years old now andstill, still looking for that
name.
Permanent home.
SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
And he kind of took over, I think, didn't he?
He
SPEAKER_03 (41:09):
what?
SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
He sort of took over your house, didn't he?
SPEAKER_03 (41:12):
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, yeah.
He's something else.
SPEAKER_01 (41:17):
He's gorgeous, and so he's so lucky.
He
SPEAKER_03 (41:20):
knows he's gorgeous, too.
SPEAKER_01 (41:22):
But he doesn't know he's so lucky, does he?
SPEAKER_03 (41:25):
He goes in and rips up the toilet paper and he
tepees the bathroom.
And then if he knows I'mwatching birds, I can't say
anything because if I say it outloud like this, oh, there he is.
You know, there's a bird I'mwaiting for because I like
taking pictures of him.
And if I say something like, oh,even if I do a little gasp,
(41:45):
he'll come running out from adead sleep out of the bedroom
and go body slam himself againstthe window.
UNKNOWN (41:52):
He's awful.
SPEAKER_04 (41:54):
Okay, I've got to question for you.
In the past month, a raven...
now actually a pair of ravenshave come to our little place
here in medina and it's if i gooutside when i go outside to
feed two of our cats he will hewill call at me or you know that
noise they make how oh manyou're so lucky i listen i love
(42:19):
ravens i really connect to thembut how what can i do to really
get a real relationship going imean he tries to eat the corn
every once in a while that I putout for the deer.
But do you have any suggestionson how I can get that raven to
really be my buddy?
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
Well, you can do it.
They like bright, shiny trinketsand baubles.
And if you start leaving littlethings out for him, he might
start bringing things back.
But you have to be very, verycareful because if you do that,
people will start saying you'rea raven lunatic.
SPEAKER_01 (42:58):
Good one.
SPEAKER_04 (43:00):
That was really a
SPEAKER_01 (43:03):
good one.
That's a zinger.
I think it runs in the family.
I
SPEAKER_04 (43:07):
think it does, too.
I'm going to do it, but when yousay put things out, Should I
like put them out in the yard orlike at a certain place, the
same place all the time?
SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
I have no idea.
That was all just about thepunchline.
SPEAKER_01 (43:22):
But you're right.
That's right.
They bring gifts.
They bring gifts to you.
Oh, I'm going to
SPEAKER_03 (43:28):
walk away from that.
SPEAKER_04 (43:31):
Yeah.
Well, we have a cat that decidedit was a feral cat.
Anyway, she's now living in thehouse and has taken over.
But she constantly is trying tobring in an almost dead lizard
or a bird.
And it just breaks my heart.
I mean, I'm like, okay, you'regrounded.
(43:52):
You're not going outside for twodays.
And, of course, that doesn'thappen.
But anyway.
SPEAKER_03 (43:58):
She's in the parasitic era.
SPEAKER_01 (44:02):
She's a huntress.
I don't think you can take itout of those cats.
SPEAKER_04 (44:08):
Okay, speaking of cats, okay, what animal has more
lives than a cat?
SPEAKER_01 (44:14):
What?
SPEAKER_04 (44:14):
Frogs.
They croak every night.
SPEAKER_01 (44:17):
Oh,
SPEAKER_03 (44:18):
gosh.
Oh, I love that.
That's a good one.
I've got to remember that
SPEAKER_04 (44:24):
one.
Well, you still have a memory.
You're young.
No, you are compared to us.
Eileen's younger than I am.
SPEAKER_01 (44:33):
Not by much.
But she doesn't look
SPEAKER_04 (44:35):
like
SPEAKER_01 (44:35):
it.
Hey, I just want to ask you onething.
Because this was so neat when Isaw it on your Facebook.
Amanda likes Friends, the TVshow.
Friends.
She adores that show.
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (44:53):
Jennifer Aniston is her favorite.
She loves that show.
SPEAKER_01 (44:58):
I had a really bad job once.
And so I would come home fromit, and that night, Wednesday or
whatever night they were on,that's the way I settled down
and got my head out of thatstuff and watched Friends.
Well, you drew a picture forAmanda, right?
Tell us about that.
SPEAKER_03 (45:21):
Her bucket list.
SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (45:24):
Amanda had a bucket list and one thing on her list
was meeting the cast of Friends.
Wow.
She said I would like to havelunch with them.
She thinks they're allvegetarian except Courtney Cox.
She probably eats meat.
SPEAKER_01 (45:39):
Tell her.
Did she say what?
SPEAKER_03 (45:41):
I don't know why.
What the distinction is aboutCourtney Cox that made her think
she was the only carnivore inthe group.
But I drew a picture of hersitting with them all having
lunch and she's cracking them upas she would.
They're all laughing and theyall have a bowl of salad except
Courtney Cox is sitting therewith her fork and a knife and
(46:03):
each hand and the steak in frontof her.
SPEAKER_01 (46:08):
What's Amanda having?
Salad too?
SPEAKER_03 (46:11):
Oh, Amanda gets pizza.
SPEAKER_01 (46:12):
Oh, pizza.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (46:14):
And in the picture, she's wrapping her hand around
the pizza, sliding it away fromJennifer Aniston.
SPEAKER_01 (46:23):
Can you send, I mean, would it be okay if you
sent Nancy that?
SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
Oh, yeah.
We've talked about
SPEAKER_01 (46:28):
it.
Yeah, you can put it
SPEAKER_03 (46:30):
up there.
Oh,
SPEAKER_04 (46:32):
great.
And folks, I just want to telleverybody that when we do this
podcast, when I launch it, whathappens is I also put it on my
blog, the Cousin Nancy blog, andanyway, you can find it, and
this is where you're going tofind the pictures that Nancy has
sent me, and this picture ofAmanda eating lunch with a
(46:55):
friend's cast.
That is so, yeah, please do sendthat to me, and I will
definitely get that.
But anyone who wants to tellWe'll see you next time.
(47:29):
Of course, if they're listeningto this, they probably have
already figured it out.
SPEAKER_03 (47:38):
Well, it's good.
It's like doing a commercialbreak for yourself.
SPEAKER_04 (47:42):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Well, listen, we're gettingclose to almost an hour here.
Nancy, why don't you tell uswhatever you want to tell us
right now.
SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
Oh, tell us whatever you want to tell us.
Well, I want to say thank youfor this opportunity to get on
here and hang out with you guys.
It's been great fun and a nicerespite for me.
SPEAKER_04 (48:07):
We need to do this again, seriously.
And if people go to Facebook,they can find or follow you
about what's going on with yourtrying to get visitation rights,
right?
UNKNOWN (48:20):
Right.
SPEAKER_04 (48:20):
Yes.
Okay, great.
That will be on my blog whereyou can go there and look.
And I guess it's just Nancy J.
Bailey on Facebook,
SPEAKER_03 (48:33):
correct?
I think it's Cliffy's Mom.
SPEAKER_04 (48:37):
Oh, Cliffy's Mom,
SPEAKER_03 (48:38):
okay.
I'm pretty sure.
But I sent you a link.
Yeah, I will put
SPEAKER_04 (48:44):
that on the blog so they can follow that, yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's see.
SPEAKER_01 (48:53):
Do I need to tell another joke?
Well, did you want to addanything, Nancy?
SPEAKER_03 (49:01):
Well, math isn't my thing, so I...
SPEAKER_01 (49:10):
We get it.
You're starting to scare me now.
Hey, well, yeah, I was going toask you about any books in the
works, but now I know you and Ican't talk.
SPEAKER_03 (49:20):
I do have a book in the works.
It's about my horse trainingbook that's going to be
hopefully released next year.
I have a I have a in twenty six.
We'll see how that goes.
I've had a little bit of delaywith my production.
The publisher has recentlychanged hands, but it's not
(49:41):
their fault.
It's more my fault because Ihave to take instructional
pictures and winter came.
SPEAKER_02 (49:47):
They
SPEAKER_03 (49:48):
didn't want them in the winter because they don't
want fuzzy horses.
SPEAKER_01 (49:52):
They want gorgeous horses.
They have to
SPEAKER_03 (49:55):
be clean, which is going to be a challenge in
itself.
SPEAKER_04 (50:00):
Nancy, I'm curious.
It's 101 degrees here right nowin Texas.
Yeah, what's the temperaturethere?
SPEAKER_03 (50:06):
Today,
SPEAKER_04 (50:08):
I think it's about 50.
Oh, that's not bad.
No.
It's very nice.
What about, do you freeze everynight?
SPEAKER_03 (50:17):
Right now, I think we're kind of done with that.
We're down like in the 40s atnight.
Oh, that's great.
SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
Oh, I'm jealous.
But I think
SPEAKER_03 (50:24):
almost Canada.
We've had a very cold spring,though, this year.
It's taken a while to getspring.
It's not always this late in theseason.
SPEAKER_04 (50:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (50:35):
But it's beautiful.
We got fields of trillium in thewoods popping out, the white
flowers with three petals.
And the ground is just whitewith those right now.
Oh,
SPEAKER_04 (50:44):
how beautiful.
SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
Nancy, are you getting any of the monarchs yet?
SPEAKER_03 (50:50):
Not yet.
They're migrating up this way,but they won't be here for a
while.
They have to show up when themilkweed is ready.
SPEAKER_01 (50:59):
Well, you know, what's so odd here, we are a
migration pathway.
That's right.
I think I
SPEAKER_03 (51:06):
remember you telling me that.
Have you seen honey?
UNKNOWN (51:09):
No.
SPEAKER_01 (51:09):
Well, no, not this year.
We have in the past, butsometimes I don't even see any.
Do you, Nancy?
SPEAKER_04 (51:19):
Well, I need to get my glasses.
SPEAKER_01 (51:24):
But, you know, what we have is antelope.
What is it called?
Antelope horn, which is themilkweed, our milkweed.
And that doesn't...
Actually, blooms and thathappens after they've come
through here.
UNKNOWN (51:43):
Wow.
SPEAKER_01 (51:44):
I guess what they do is they will put the eggs
underneath the leaves.
Oh, okay.
And then leave, you know, andthen eventually those will hatch
and move on.
But I just wonder because sheactually has brought them inside
and hatched them.
SPEAKER_03 (52:06):
I don't want to say hatch.
What is it?
The last couple of years, I havebeen bringing them in and
hatching them.
It's an amazing transformationto watch.
SPEAKER_02 (52:17):
It's
SPEAKER_03 (52:18):
so hard to wrap your brain around that.
Something that starts out as alittle striped grub.
SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Exactly.
It just
SPEAKER_03 (52:25):
makes its own turn, sheds its skin and hangs itself
up and turns green and then outcomes a Winged fairy.
SPEAKER_01 (52:36):
Beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (52:37):
Orange
SPEAKER_01 (52:37):
butterfly.
Exactly.
And just to look at that littletiny pinhead dot of an ant.
They look like
SPEAKER_03 (52:48):
a grain of salt.
You don't really look for them.
SPEAKER_01 (52:53):
I know.
It's hard to see.
It is.
I thought I saw two.
So they're on their
SPEAKER_03 (53:10):
way back.
SPEAKER_01 (53:11):
Do you think they can get through?
What?
I don't know.
They have a wall out there now.
I don't know.
I have not.
SPEAKER_03 (53:31):
They come all the way back here.
They come from you to me.
SPEAKER_01 (53:34):
Yes.
And those are the ones in Mexicothat make that long, long, how
many miles is that?
5,000 miles?
4,000 miles?
Yeah, all the way up there.
SPEAKER_04 (53:46):
That is so
SPEAKER_01 (53:47):
cool.
SPEAKER_04 (53:48):
Okay, I've got one more.
What do you call a sleepingbull?
Ready?
SPEAKER_01 (53:55):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_04 (53:55):
A bulldozer.
A
SPEAKER_01 (53:57):
bulldozer.
Okay.
Can I
SPEAKER_03 (54:00):
just jump your punchline?
I'm sorry.
It just flew out of my mouth.
SPEAKER_01 (54:07):
You're quick.
SPEAKER_04 (54:10):
Well, I tell you what, is there anything you want
to tell your listeners andfollowers?
SPEAKER_03 (54:16):
Oh, I just want to say thank you so much for
listening.
This is great.
So much fun.
I'm totally new.
This is my first ever podcast asa guest talking to other people.
SPEAKER_01 (54:28):
Well, then
SPEAKER_04 (54:29):
we broke you in.
Yeah, but are you sure we're notrobots?
Yeah.
Oh, good point.
SPEAKER_01 (54:41):
Well, hopefully your next podcast will go well.
SPEAKER_04 (54:46):
You need to stay in touch because this really has
been fun and I'd love to doanother podcast at some point.
Oh, me too.
It would be a blast.
Okay, it'll only be$45.
No, I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_01 (55:02):
She's already broken into this chillable.
SPEAKER_03 (55:06):
She gets you sucked in.
The first podcast is free.
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01 (55:13):
You know, it's just like all those streaming TV
shows.
Of
SPEAKER_04 (55:17):
course, now Eileen's going to ask me, well, how much
are you going to pay me?
Well, yeah.
Well, y'all listen, I reallywant to thank you, Nancy, so
much for spending an hour,almost an hour with us.
And I wish you all the best andyou and Amanda and Eileen thank
you very much and I'm going toleave everybody with my most
(55:41):
favorite quote life is short andso am I adios adios
SPEAKER_01 (55:52):
bye
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