October 15, 2025 • 29 mins
In this inspiring episode of The Covenant Eyes Podcast, host Karen Potter sits down with Rachael Groll, founder of She Hears Ministries and host of The She Hears Podcast. Rachael shares her journey from being a pastor and missionary to building a thriving online discipleship ministry that has reached over 6 million downloads.
They discuss:
• How to tell the difference between God’s voice, our own emotions, and the enemy’s lies
• The challenges women face today in hearing God amid the noise of technology and culture
• Overcoming shame, addiction, and struggles like pornography through biblical truth and accountability
• How moms can disciple their children and embrace their God-given ministry at home
• Rachael’s books, She Hears and her upcoming Bible studies for women
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🕰️ Timestamps
00:00 – Welcome & Introduction
01:00 – Rachael’s Story: From Local Ministry to Global Impact
03:30 – How “She Hears” Began During the Pandemic
05:00 – Hearing God’s Voice vs. Cultural Noise
07:00 – Women’s Unique Spiritual Challenges
08:30 – Overcoming Brokenness, Divorce & Shame
10:30 – Global Missions & Common Struggles Among Women
12:00 – The Reality of Pornography Among Women
14:00 – Discipleship Through the She Hears Podcast
16:00 – Practical First Steps for Women in Struggle
18:00 – The Power of Accountability & Community
21:00 – Empowering Women Through Scripture
25:00 – Encouragement for Moms & Stay-at-Home Parents
27:00 – Rachael’s Final Encouragement: Know Him and Make Him Know
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Hey everybody, welcome backto the Covenant Eyes podcast.
It's Karen, your host.
I am the directorof relationship
marketing for Covenant Eyes, andI am so glad to be here today.
We are havinga great conversation today
with the founderof a ministry called She Here's.
And I've got RachelGroll joining me.
Rachel, thank you so muchfor coming on today.
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Oh yeah, Karen,thank you so much for having me.
I have longbeen a fan of the work
of Covenant Eyesand the Victory app
and everythingthat you guys are doing,
so I just reallykind of an honor
to join you today.
Well, thanks so much.
Well, for our listenersthat are not familiar
with your ministry or even youramazing podcast,
let's share a little bitabout who you are and,
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how you started your ministry.
And then also talk a little bitabout your podcast
and what the goalsare of the podcast now.
Well, thank you so muchfor the opportunity.
So I have long been in ministry.
I've done everythingfrom the local church
to global missions and probablyeverything in between.
And during the pandemic,I wrote a Bible study.
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And, you know, launchinga book is not
typically somethingI would recommend during a
global pandemic.
And what we ended up realizingwas the traditional way
of doing, you know, book toursand all those kinds of things
was just not going to work.
And so because we were lockedin our homes
for quite a bit of time,I decided to start a podcast.
And initially it was reallyjust to get the word a book
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about the book out.
The book is calledShe Hears Learning
to Listen to Jesus,and it wasn't my first book,
but was, first bookin a new genre for me.
And I really just wantedto get this resources
into the hands of women.
And so what I quickly found was,like everybody else,
we were all stuck at homeand had time to ask
some of those deep questions.
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And so what started offas an introduction to the book
turned into reallya discipleship podcast,
where women were askingreally good questions,
and that was kind ofwithin my wheelhouse.
I was a teaching pastor,a missions pastor,
a children's pastor.
So everything from parentingto getting on the mission
field were things that I hadexperience with.
And so I just kept goingwith the podcast and to be
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perfectly honest,it was really just a
side project that wasinitially something
to keep me busy.
And at the end ofthe first year, when things
started to open up, I was reallyjust praying about
whether or notI should continue.
At the end of the first year,I only had a thousand
downloads total,so with all the episodes
I had done combined,it was only a thousand downloads
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and I thought, well,I don't know that
this is really worth my time.
And as I was actuallypraying about it,
I was in a church service.
The Holy Spiritreally convicted me,
and he said, you know,you need to treat this podcast
like you would the church.
And honestly, that convicted meso much because I had treated it
as like a fun projectand maybe a way
to sell some books.
I had not seenit really as a ministry,
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and so that really becamea perspective shift for me.
And I thought, well,if I only have 20 people
listening to episodes,I'm going to pray
for those 20 people.
I'm going to reach outto those 20 people and ask how
I can pray for them.
And really, what startedwas this shift in my heart
where I really startedto approach it as a ministry
and discipleship opportunityand what we saw in year two.
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So year one, we had athousand downloads
a year or two, we hada million downloads,
and then year threea little bit earlier
this year, we hit, I think we'reover 6 million downloads now.
And so what we saw Goddo is really transform
this podcast from, you know,just this little fun project
in the beginningto really a new ministry
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space for me, which I didnot anticipate.
But I am so thankfulthat God has continued
to open doors.
And, you know, I thinkin a post-pandemic
world, ministryand discipleship in
a lot of ways looks different.
There are peoplethat just have not
gone back to churchor have not gone back
to Bible study,and so I count it as an amazing,
amazing privilege.
I used to say I was an authorthat had a podcast, and now
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I'm a podcast ministrythat has a couple books.
And so thingshave kind of flipped
in a really great way.
I love that, and the factthat you took, you know,
what we were all going through,which you know, a pandemic
that nobody had expectedand really turned it
into something amazing, that wasactually probably
God timing, right?
Because we were all at homeand a lot of women
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were really strugglingbecause everything that we had,
you know, our routines,our children going to school,
all the things, everything hadimploded all around us.
And so most women I know, we'regoing through a time of seeking
and certainly,when churches closed
in some locations,that was a real struggle.
So I could see how this ministrywas so valuable, even if it
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started small.
I believe that certainly Godhas grown it.
Talk to us a little bit about,some of the the unique things
that you've heardfrom your listeners.
You know, the challengesthat women face
that maybe are specialand unique to women only.
So some of the different topicsthat you discuss.
You know, the overarching themethat I would hear over
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and over again washow can I tell the difference
between God's voice,my own emotions,
or my own thoughts and the voiceof the enemy?
And it didn't really matter,honestly, what age group?
Or if somebodyhad been a believer
for a little bit of timeor a long time,
a whole lifetime.
There was this commonthread of insecurity,
of understandinghow to hear God's voice.
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And so I recognize, you know,it might have come through in
different waysand they might have
used different language,but that really was
the heart of the issue.
And so I reallystarted to just design
content around how do I helppeople understand, number one,
how to read God'sWord, and number two,
how to be confidentwhen they know that God
is speaking to them.
And one of the thingsthat I always say is God's
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voice will nevercontradict God's Word.
And so we knowthat the primary way
that God speaks to usis through His word.
But yet so many womenwere not making the time
to actually read God's Word.
They would be familiarwith God's Word.
They would, you know,listen to it at church on Sunday
or maybe even,you know, a Sunday sermon online
or something.
But when it came toactual Bible study,
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they were so women,so many women
that had so many issueswith that.
Number one, because they didn'thave time, they were working
full time or raisingkids or there's
so many distractions for women.
Or number two,they didn't understand
what they were reading.
So it wasn't makingthe transition
into the relevancefor their lives.
And so what I started todo on the podcast is it
really transitioned to thisdaily Bible study podcast,
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where we would takejust a handful of verses
and explain what does thisactually mean?
What did it mean then to theoriginal audience?
What was the original intentionof that message from that
original author?
And what does thisreveal about the nature
and the character of Godthat's relevant to us today?
Because we know those thingsdon't change.
And so even thoughour circumstances
may change the contextand the heart of Jesus for us in
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those situationsis still the same.
And so really,that's what I love, is helping
women kind of bridgethat gap between
what is God's Word sayand what does this mean
for my life, for my family,for my relationships, all those
kinds of things.
I love that I think in our worldtoday, there's
so much coming at us,so many voices
speaking into our livesthrough technology
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and just in our circlesof influence that oftentimes
our discernment can be weakened.
You know,I think that oftentimes
that is one of theone of the things, the themes
that I hear most frequentlyin women's ministry
is, you know, how do I discernthat this is God's will
or that this iswhat God wants me to be doing?
And that is a tricky one.
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So as you reflect on that,I love that you point
back to the Biblebecause you're right,
absolutely thatyou'll never hear it from God.
Something that counteredthe Bible.
I mean, that is absolutelyalways the truth.
How do you coach women who aremaybe going through
challenging timesor even addressing
challenging issuesin their life,
maybe divorced or,unfaithfulness in a marriage,
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pornography,those types of issues,
those really painful,hurtful issues.
How do you help them?
You know, see God's Wordfor what it is
during our struggles andour trials and tribulations.
You know, one of the benefits ofbeing a believer is the benefit
of having the Holy Spiritas the comforter for us
during those reallyhard seasons.
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And what we seein the pages of the
scriptures is Jesus has a heartfor those
that are broken hearted,and that doesn't change.
I know from my own lifethere have been seasons
of brokenness and hurt.
I went through a very painful,abusive divorce.
I went through seasons offinancial difficulty.
You know, I can relate to womenfrom a place of really
knowing how that feels.
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And what I will say is, thoughI would not necessarily
want to repeatthose circumstances.
There's an aspect of God and myrelationship with him
that I would not knownow had I not gone
through those seasons.
And so I think sometimeswe have a tendency
as women to think, okay,well, I can go
and I can pray to Godand I can praise him
for all the good things.
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But we tend to want to hidethe hard things
or think that we needto muster up the strength
to do it on our own, or sums upour bootstraps
and muscle through it.
Or the opposite is true.
I just don't knowhow to get through it.
And I think for me,what I learned was
Jesus wants to be inthat place with us.
Who wants to bein that brokenness with us?
And that's how we get throughthose seasons, is by
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inviting him into that mess.
I mean, that's reallythe whole reason why he came.
He knew we weren'tgoing to be able to get through
this life, through the messof this life without him.
And so if I can teach womento be open and honest
things like telling Godyou're angry, it's
okay to be angry with God.
He's got big shoulders.
He can handle it.
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I used to thinkthat was such a sin, but yet
I know that in my relationshipwith my husband, for example,
I can tell himI'm angry with you.
What you did hurt me.
I don't understand your actions.
It hurts me.
And then throughour relationship, he can say,
this is what my intention was.
This is what my plan isand this is how we're going
to get through it together.
I think in a lot of ways,our relationship with
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the Lord is the same.
And when we can get tothis place where we can say,
I don't understand,I'm angry with you, it's
this raw, vulnerable placethat then God can start to work.
And Mitt, in the middle ofall that brokenness
that's powerful.
Oh, that's so good.
And just changing gearsa little bit, I want to talk
a little bit about your workbecause you mentioned
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that you are a staff pastor,and you also have a role,
I believe it'swith the Global Orphan
Care organization.
Talk to me a little bitabout how that impacts your work
and your podcast as well,because not only are you getting
a glimpse into thestruggles of women
here in the United States,but you're seeing
the struggles of women in placesthat most of us won't be able
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to travel to.
Yeah.
And, you know,that's changed for me
a little bit over the years.
I actually, just as pastor,stepped down from my full time
ministry rolebecause the podcast
began so big.
And I am also in the middleof a multi book contract
with a major publisher, andI have to sleep sometimes,
but thankfully I still havea partnership with Compassion
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Internationaland I just got back
from actually two tripswith them within the last month
where I was ableto kind of continue
some of the mission workthat I've been doing
for years and years.
But one of thethings that I noticed is that it
didn't really matterif it was somebody, a woman
in the local church,or if it was somebody in
maybe inner city Brooklynor somebody
in the bush of Africa.
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Women seem to havecommon struggles,
common insecurities, and commonthings that were questions
within their relationshipwith the Lord.
And so itbecame very interesting for me.
And I realized thatthat's really in a lot of ways,
how the enemy operates.
It didn't really seem to matterwhere we were at.
It was like a rural areawhere women barely,
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you know, enter the cityand they're farming
most of the time, or somebodythat's, you know,
living on the streets.
It was really justthis common thread
where the enemy had triedto keep women from understanding
how to hear God's voice.
And then also, you know, I knowsome of the struggles
that you're well aware ofin the struggles that women have
with pornography.
I was so shocked.
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One of the thingsthat I started to do
is on our Facebook page.
I just ask womenwhen they come in on our inner
Facebook group,what are some struggles you have
in your relationshipwith the Lord?
And I was so shockedto see how many women would say,
I'm really strugglingwith pornography,
and I don't feel likeI can admit this to anybody.
And, you know, I think it'sone of those things
where we don't necessarilytalk about it
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very much in the church,or at least in the churches
I've been a part of,because there's
this shame around it where womendon't even want to admit
that they had a problemin the first place.
And so women that are lookingfor resources
or help are really it'sreally sparse to find resources
within the contextof the local church
because they're afraidof being judged.
They're afraid ofsaying things out loud
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that they're so ashamed of.
And so in that forumwhere it was just
this woman and me, and she knewthat nobody else
was going to see these answersbesides me.
It became thisreally vulnerable place
where they werewilling to be honest.
And so I quickly realizedthat there is such a huge need
for resources in this area,because it is a struggle
that women have.
It doesn't matter the age,it doesn't matter how long
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they've been a believer.
It doesn't even matter locationbecause unfortunately,
I guess fortunatelyand unfortunately, you know,
I can't even tell youhow many times
I've been in the bushin the middle of Africa
and people still havecell phones, they still have
connectivity,and it is something
that has permeatedthe lives of people
around the globe.
Yeah, you are so right.
And technologyreally has changed
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the landscape.
And I think for women,our culture has become
so increasingly porn ified.
I mean, it's in our movies,it's in our TV shows.
It's it has crept inin so many places.
And I often when I'm talkingto women's groups, you know,
I talk about our discernmentkind of being dulled
by the constantbombardment of that
and how we haveto really sharpen
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our, our, our receptors.
You know, we really needto be aware of that
because it creeps inand the enemy is using
all of these different anglesto really,
you know, to attack us.
And we have towe have to be able
to fortify ourselveswith God's Word
and with his, his armor.
You know, I mean, he gives usthe sword of truth,
and we need to use that.
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So talk to mea little bit about, your podcast
specifically, if women listeningtoday are interested
in learning more,what kind of topics
do you dive intoand what can they expect
to learn?
Or, you know, do you havea community element
as well built into that?
Yeah.
So we have a coupledifferent levels depending on
how committedpeople want to be in
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and how deep they want to diveon a service level.
We have a Facebook groupthat is very general where women
just encourage other women.
We share prayer requests.
It's very service levelfor people that want to dive
a little bit deeper.
We have a Patreon group,and in the Patreon it's
a little bit deeper topics.
But on the podcast, I've donea range of things.
Right now we're doing thegospel of Mark, where
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we're going througha little by little
and we're talkingabout the history
and the culture and the contextand how that's relevant
to daily life.
Some of the other thingsthat we've done,
like this past summer,we did a spiritual
discipline series.
So we talked about everythingfrom fasting to worship
to prayer to solitudeand how those are all different
kinds of muscles that help usgrow spiritually.
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And so it's kind of a mix.
It's kind of a mixof Bible study.
Usually in the fallwe do Bible study, but then
throughout the yearwe do different topics.
Anything from, you know,we did love sex in the Bible
and we talked aboutwhat that actually looks like
from a healthy perspectivewithin our
marriage relationships.
That was a really popularone that we did this past year.
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We talk about womenin and the leadership
that God calls themto in Scripture
and what that looks likefor women.
Now we talk about honestly, I doquestion is and answers a lot
where women can write in whattheir questions are.
And then I'll unpack that.
So it could be anythingfrom homosexuality to divorce
to pornography to parenting,all of these topics
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that are really affecting womenin their everyday lives.
Because I think my heartfor this podcast,
and I think for allof the resources that I do,
is somethingthat's very practical,
that gets off of the pagesof their Bible
and into their hearts,into their minds,
into their behavior,because that's really
what God wants for us.
He doesn't want our Biblesto just stay on our desk.
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He wants that wordto be in our heart.
Absolutely. Yeah.
And I know on your websiteyou talk a lot
about helping women kind ofreveal the things that are deep
inside our hearts, right?
Because we tend to you know,I mean, it's
kind of in our nature.
We we have to be strong.
We paint on these faces,we go to church and we aren't
willing to be vulnerableand share those,
those deep insecurities.
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Our fears, you know,our own desires.
What advice do you havefor women who might be,
you know, strugglingwith pornography
or just strugglingwith insecurities or,
you know, fearsand things like that?
What advice do you have for themas a good first step
in kind of addressingsome of those challenges
in their lives?
Well, I think for a first step,I think it's really important
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to be honest with God.
I think it's really hard to beon a path of healing or relief
from any kind ofaddiction, really,
or even any insecurity.
If we're not firsthonest with God and he knows,
he already knows, you know, he'she's in the room with us.
He knows all of the thingsthat we struggle with.
But I think from a foundationalperspective, getting to a place
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where you say, okay, God,I know that I can't do this
on my own.
I know thatthis is an insecurity
that has chased memy whole life.
This is an addictionthat takes me my whole life.
I cannot do it on my own.
I think that is thefoundational aspect
of where we say, okay, God,I want to invite you
into this process.
And I think for a lot of women,that's tough
because we think, okay,God is too holy for my mess.
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But the reality is, isthat's how we get through it.
That's how we clean thingsup, is when we invite him
into that mess.
You know, it's so cliche.
We say our messbecomes our message.
But really,that's the truth of it,
where we invite Godinto the mess of our lives
and we allow him to clean upand we partner with God
in that process.
I think beyond that,I think accountability
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is a really importantpart of that process as well.
I know you have resourcesfor accountability.
One of the things that we doin on the Facebook
group event and say, okay,this is the accountability post,
what do you needaccountability for?
And maybe you'renot ready to say, I need
accountability for, you know,my pornography addiction
or reading, dirty romancenovels or,
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you know, whatever it isthat I'm struggling
with this, maybe it's, you know,there's some women
that want help getting offof, cigarets.
I mean, there'sjust all different ways,
but what do you need?
Accountability for it.
For me, sometimes it'seven things like sleep,
because I tend to not sleepas much as I need.
So I need somebodytelling me, hey, you know,
shut the light off
at 10 (18:48):
00, go to bed, stay off of TikTok.
It's those kinds of thingsthat are real world examples.
And what I've tried to dois create
this community of womenthat are there
to hold each other accountable,to pray for each other
and to build each other up.
Because we also knowthat there's
this flip side of it,what happens when we mess up,
when we mess up so often?
I don't know about you,but I tend to have this
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all or nothingkind of personality.
Where okay, well, I messed up,so it's back to square one,
so I might as well just indulgein a whole sleeve of Oreos,
because I hadthree of them on my diet
or whatever it is.
And so I thinkwhen you have a place
where there'saccountability and grace
in that space, you can be honestand say, okay, I messed up.
Let's start over.
And then having somebody elseto say, okay, you know what?
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I've been there.
Do you got this?
And then I thinkthe other part of that
is recognizing that, you know,there's never been.
And the precursor, I guess,to what I want to say
is, God can and does do miracleswhere people are delivered
like that from from thingsthat are struggles.
But more oftenwhat I've experienced
in my own lifeis that that deliverance
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from any kind of addictionor stronghold
or anything in typicallyis a process.
And part of that process.
What I've realized is, asI've gotten to know Jesus more
and as I'vegotten closer with him,
those things take up less spacein my heart, in my mind,
in my lifestyle,because I'm crowning it
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with more of Jesus.
And if I look backover the course of my life,
I don't know that I ever,you know, could acknowledge,
okay, this is the last dayI ever did something.
It was an addictivepart of my personality.
But what I do knowis that was the year
that I got closer to Jesus.
That was the year that I madethe commitment
to chase after him.
And it was kind ofa natural byproduct of becoming
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closer to him,where he delivered me
of those things that I couldn'totherwise be delivered.
And so it sounds likea Sunday school answer.
And I don't mean to be again,I don't mean to be cliche,
but I really do think thata relationship with Jesus
is the pathwayto getting freedom from all of
those things.
Absolutely. 100% agree.
So I love that.
Well, for the listenersout there, that would like
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to check outmaybe some of your book.
So let's talk about that.
I know you've authoreda couple of books
that were more, I know you hadsome other ones
that you coauthoredor contributed to as well.
So talk to us a little bitabout some of the books
that you've written and who isthe audience and
and what are the topics?
Well, I used to bea children's pastor, so
the first set of booksthat I wrote
were really for peoplethat were in ministry
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and maybe facing thingslike burnout or,
you know, all thosethings are common.
When I wrote the last big book,before I switched
to Bible studies,that book was called go,
and it was about startingan outreach ministry,
and it was part testimony of howGod opened doors for us
when the enemy triedto shut them down.
Part curriculum, partan encouragement for people
that might find themselvesin that place.
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But really, what happenedis the Lord
kind of brought me out of thatseason of ministry
and into this seasonof women's ministry.
And so she herswas my last big book.
I actually just finishedwriting my next book.
It'll be out next year.
But she was reallyis a Bible study
that helps women take a lookat six women
in the life of Jesus,how he empowers them,
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how he equips them,how he speaks to them,
how he calls them.
And it's an in-depthlook at those six relationships
from the book of Johnthat I think were foundational
for me.
So something like The SamaritanWoman, it's a story we all know
and we are familiar with.
But when you meditate on itfor a long period of time,
and you look at theoriginal context and you look at
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the relationship between Jesusand this woman,
and we realize that, you know,her story was so powerful
the disciples hadand this is just
a quick example,but the disciples
had been down in town,you know, getting food all day.
And when they came back,they came back alone.
But when that womanwent down in town and she shared
the testimony of whatJesus had said to her,
she drove people back up to him,which tells us that women
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have influencewithin their circle.
They have influence that you orI might not have because people
know them,and it's their testimony
that's going to drive peopleto Jesus.
It's things like that.
When we lookat those stories of how
Jesus called these womenthat really, I think,
change the tidefor a lot of women
where they can recognize, oh,yeah, God does want to use me,
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whether it is in my home,whether it is at my job,
whether it is in the supermarketor wherever it is.
And then coupled with that,there's a lot of places
in that Bible study to process,process, emotions, process.
Past her, process addiction,and give those things
over to Jesus in a way that'sgoing to produce
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some lasting change.
And so I teach women,that's called the color
method of Bible study.
And it teaches themhow to really understand
what they'rereading in Scripture.
And so it's a great versebook for somebody that is new
to understanding the Bibleor not even new, but just wants
to understand those storiesin a fresh way.
And then the next bookI have out, I don't even have
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a title for it yet,but it is all about women
that had a prophetic voicein Scripture.
So women like Deborahand Anna and hold that
and what God didthrough their stories
within their circlesof influence.
And so my heart reallyis to point women
back to the scripturesand to see how Jesus encourages
and calls and equips them.
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I love that.
How do you encouragemoms out there or women
out there who maybe, you know,they're not in ministry
or they're notmaybe working their stay at home
moms, you know,because oftentimes I feel like
stay at home moms sometimes get,you know, get a little down
because, you know,they feel like, you know, it's
hard work,but nobody really sees
or knows that.
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How do you offersome encouragement to them
that the importanceof their role
really is importantto their family and
to their children?
Yeah.
Well, I you know, as achildren's pastor,
one of the things I would alwaysshare with moms is
I would get their kidsmaybe an hour a week, two hours,
if you have a longchurch service or you're there
for multiple timesduring that week,
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99% of the time those childrenare with their mom.
And that means thatthe primary person
that is responsiblefor the spiritual
discipleship ofthose kids is the mom.
And, you know, I my kids are onthe older side now.
I have teenagers, I have onethat's in college.
And what I've seen isall of those years
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that I invested, it's givingspiritual truths to my kids.
They're starting to pour outnow, you know?
And, you know, when you startto see your kids depend
on their relationshipwith the Lord because it's
their own relationship,you realize that
all of those momentswere worth it.
All of those prayerswere worth it.
You know, one of the thingswe also have as a resource
for moms is we have the HearingJesus for kids podcast,
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and that is designedspecifically for kids.
But then we have familydiscussion guides, and the
family discussionguides serve as a way to just
have discussions.
Maybe it's aroundthe dinner table or before bed,
when kids naturally want to aska lot of questions
and stay up too late.
But I think those moments areholy moments.
They can feel mundane.
They can feel like, my gosh,I have four
loads of laundry to do.
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The kitchen's a messand hear this.
You know, kids asking methis huge question about God.
But yet those are the momentsthat become foundational
to the spiritualgrowth of our kids.
And so my goal is reallyto help provide resources
in all of those areas.
And we have morecoming down the pike
with those as well.
But I feel likerecognizing first and foremost
that it really isa season of ministry, the most
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important ministryyou're ever going to do.
And so recognizing that it is aholy assignment,
even if it's not, you know,there are days I remember
as a young mom, there were days,maybe even weeks,
or I don't even knowthat I left the house
until unless it was liketo go to the grocery store.
And I just remember feeling,oh my gosh, like,
am I even making impact?
But the reality is, is we are.
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Because generationsof kids that come after our kids
are going to be impactedby the spiritual legacy
you're giving to your kidsin this season.
Absolutely, I love that.
That's great encouragementfor our homeschool
moms out there that are partof our audience.
So thank you, I appreciate that.
Well, as we bring today'sepisode to a close,
I just want to leaveour listeners
with a little bit ofword of wisdom
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or some encouragement and also,remind them how
they can get in touch with youand your podcast.
So let's go ahead and startwith that word of encouragement
that you'd like to offerto our audience.
And then we'll point them toyour resources.
You know, I thinkone of the things
that I always sayon the podcast, and I think this
is true for moms, no matterif they're working
inside of their home,outside of the home,
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maybe for womenthat aren't even moms
that might be listening,there can be so much pressure,
I think sometimesto think, okay, well,
I don't have a ministry,or I'm not even in an office
where I can pray for people.
But I think ultimately whatwe're called to is to know him
and to make him known.
So knowing him is a firstimportant concept
that we don't haveto really know who Jesus is.
And we do that through his word.
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And then making him known.
Whether it is to your children,your husband, to your next door
neighbor, don't underestimatethat call because God can do
more with our 30s than we canwith 30 years.
And so I would justencourage you to just come back
to that place of making surethat you are knowing him
and making him known.
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And then also, I would sayfor people
that are in a place ofjust curious
about what God is doing,I would say I am always here
as a resource for,helping you to know God
and you know his voicemore clearly.
And so I have, like I said,the question and answer
series on my podcast.
If you have questions,if there's some of those deep
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burning spiritual questions,I'm always a resource
and happy to help.
And then you canalways reach out.
She hears thatorg is the website,
and that's where you cankind of find the umbrella
for all of the different things.
I'm doing, whether it'scourses or coaching
or podcasting or travel,all of those things.
Awesome. All right.
Well, we'll be sure to putall those links
in the show notes,because that way our listeners
can grab those.
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Oftentimes they're driving,they're at the gym,
so they can't necessarilywrite them down.
And we know that so well.
Thank you Rachel Groll,so much for joining us today.
It's been a great conversation.
I love your passionto serve women and to help them
be more discerningand hear from the Lord.
I love that so much.
Thank you for all your hard workand thanks for joining
the podcast today.
Yeah.
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Thanks so much for having.
Awesome. All right.
Well, listeners, definitelymake sure you hit the like
button and subscribeand share this podcast
far and wide.
We'll see you next timeon the Covenant
Life podcast. Take care.
God bless.
Hey everybody, welcome backto the Covenant Eyes podcast.
It's Karen, your host.
I am the directorof relationship
marketing for Covenant Eyes, andI am so glad to be here today.
We are havinga great conversation today
with the founderof a ministry called She Here's.
And I've got RachelGroll joining me.
Rachel, thank you so muchfor coming on today.
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Oh yeah, Karen,thank you so much for having me.
I have longbeen a fan of the work
of Covenant Eyesand the Victory app
and everythingthat you guys are doing,
so I just reallykind of an honor
to join you today.
Well, thanks so much.
Well, for our listenersthat are not familiar
with your ministry or even youramazing podcast,
let's share a little bitabout who you are and,
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how you started your ministry.
And then also talk a little bitabout your podcast
and what the goalsare of the podcast now.
Well, thank you so muchfor the opportunity.
So I have long been in ministry.
I've done everythingfrom the local church
to global missions and probablyeverything in between.
And during the pandemic,I wrote a Bible study.
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And, you know, launchinga book is not
typically somethingI would recommend during a
global pandemic.
And what we ended up realizingwas the traditional way
of doing, you know, book toursand all those kinds of things
was just not going to work.
And so because we were lockedin our homes
for quite a bit of time,I decided to start a podcast.
And initially it was reallyjust to get the word a book
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about the book out.
The book is calledShe Hears Learning
to Listen to Jesus,and it wasn't my first book,
but was, first bookin a new genre for me.
And I really just wantedto get this resources
into the hands of women.
And so what I quickly found was,like everybody else,
we were all stuck at homeand had time to ask
some of those deep questions.
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And so what started offas an introduction to the book
turned into reallya discipleship podcast,
where women were askingreally good questions,
and that was kind ofwithin my wheelhouse.
I was a teaching pastor,a missions pastor,
a children's pastor.
So everything from parentingto getting on the mission
field were things that I hadexperience with.
And so I just kept goingwith the podcast and to be
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perfectly honest,it was really just a
side project that wasinitially something
to keep me busy.
And at the end ofthe first year, when things
started to open up, I was reallyjust praying about
whether or notI should continue.
At the end of the first year,I only had a thousand
downloads total,so with all the episodes
I had done combined,it was only a thousand downloads
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and I thought, well,I don't know that
this is really worth my time.
And as I was actuallypraying about it,
I was in a church service.
The Holy Spiritreally convicted me,
and he said, you know,you need to treat this podcast
like you would the church.
And honestly, that convicted meso much because I had treated it
as like a fun projectand maybe a way
to sell some books.
I had not seenit really as a ministry,
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and so that really becamea perspective shift for me.
And I thought, well,if I only have 20 people
listening to episodes,I'm going to pray
for those 20 people.
I'm going to reach outto those 20 people and ask how
I can pray for them.
And really, what startedwas this shift in my heart
where I really startedto approach it as a ministry
and discipleship opportunityand what we saw in year two.
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So year one, we had athousand downloads
a year or two, we hada million downloads,
and then year threea little bit earlier
this year, we hit, I think we'reover 6 million downloads now.
And so what we saw Goddo is really transform
this podcast from, you know,just this little fun project
in the beginningto really a new ministry
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space for me, which I didnot anticipate.
But I am so thankfulthat God has continued
to open doors.
And, you know, I thinkin a post-pandemic
world, ministryand discipleship in
a lot of ways looks different.
There are peoplethat just have not
gone back to churchor have not gone back
to Bible study,and so I count it as an amazing,
amazing privilege.
I used to say I was an authorthat had a podcast, and now
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I'm a podcast ministrythat has a couple books.
And so thingshave kind of flipped
in a really great way.
I love that, and the factthat you took, you know,
what we were all going through,which you know, a pandemic
that nobody had expectedand really turned it
into something amazing, that wasactually probably
God timing, right?
Because we were all at homeand a lot of women
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were really strugglingbecause everything that we had,
you know, our routines,our children going to school,
all the things, everything hadimploded all around us.
And so most women I know, we'regoing through a time of seeking
and certainly,when churches closed
in some locations,that was a real struggle.
So I could see how this ministrywas so valuable, even if it
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started small.
I believe that certainly Godhas grown it.
Talk to us a little bit about,some of the the unique things
that you've heardfrom your listeners.
You know, the challengesthat women face
that maybe are specialand unique to women only.
So some of the different topicsthat you discuss.
You know, the overarching themethat I would hear over
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and over again washow can I tell the difference
between God's voice,my own emotions,
or my own thoughts and the voiceof the enemy?
And it didn't really matter,honestly, what age group?
Or if somebodyhad been a believer
for a little bit of timeor a long time,
a whole lifetime.
There was this commonthread of insecurity,
of understandinghow to hear God's voice.
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And so I recognize, you know,it might have come through in
different waysand they might have
used different language,but that really was
the heart of the issue.
And so I reallystarted to just design
content around how do I helppeople understand, number one,
how to read God'sWord, and number two,
how to be confidentwhen they know that God
is speaking to them.
And one of the thingsthat I always say is God's
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voice will nevercontradict God's Word.
And so we knowthat the primary way
that God speaks to usis through His word.
But yet so many womenwere not making the time
to actually read God's Word.
They would be familiarwith God's Word.
They would, you know,listen to it at church on Sunday
or maybe even,you know, a Sunday sermon online
or something.
But when it came toactual Bible study,
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they were so women,so many women
that had so many issueswith that.
Number one, because they didn'thave time, they were working
full time or raisingkids or there's
so many distractions for women.
Or number two,they didn't understand
what they were reading.
So it wasn't makingthe transition
into the relevancefor their lives.
And so what I started todo on the podcast is it
really transitioned to thisdaily Bible study podcast,
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where we would takejust a handful of verses
and explain what does thisactually mean?
What did it mean then to theoriginal audience?
What was the original intentionof that message from that
original author?
And what does thisreveal about the nature
and the character of Godthat's relevant to us today?
Because we know those thingsdon't change.
And so even thoughour circumstances
may change the contextand the heart of Jesus for us in
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those situationsis still the same.
And so really,that's what I love, is helping
women kind of bridgethat gap between
what is God's Word sayand what does this mean
for my life, for my family,for my relationships, all those
kinds of things.
I love that I think in our worldtoday, there's
so much coming at us,so many voices
speaking into our livesthrough technology
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and just in our circlesof influence that oftentimes
our discernment can be weakened.
You know,I think that oftentimes
that is one of theone of the things, the themes
that I hear most frequentlyin women's ministry
is, you know, how do I discernthat this is God's will
or that this iswhat God wants me to be doing?
And that is a tricky one.
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So as you reflect on that,I love that you point
back to the Biblebecause you're right,
absolutely thatyou'll never hear it from God.
Something that counteredthe Bible.
I mean, that is absolutelyalways the truth.
How do you coach women who aremaybe going through
challenging timesor even addressing
challenging issuesin their life,
maybe divorced or,unfaithfulness in a marriage,
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pornography,those types of issues,
those really painful,hurtful issues.
How do you help them?
You know, see God's Wordfor what it is
during our struggles andour trials and tribulations.
You know, one of the benefits ofbeing a believer is the benefit
of having the Holy Spiritas the comforter for us
during those reallyhard seasons.
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And what we seein the pages of the
scriptures is Jesus has a heartfor those
that are broken hearted,and that doesn't change.
I know from my own lifethere have been seasons
of brokenness and hurt.
I went through a very painful,abusive divorce.
I went through seasons offinancial difficulty.
You know, I can relate to womenfrom a place of really
knowing how that feels.
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And what I will say is, thoughI would not necessarily
want to repeatthose circumstances.
There's an aspect of God and myrelationship with him
that I would not knownow had I not gone
through those seasons.
And so I think sometimeswe have a tendency
as women to think, okay,well, I can go
and I can pray to Godand I can praise him
for all the good things.
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But we tend to want to hidethe hard things
or think that we needto muster up the strength
to do it on our own, or sums upour bootstraps
and muscle through it.
Or the opposite is true.
I just don't knowhow to get through it.
And I think for me,what I learned was
Jesus wants to be inthat place with us.
Who wants to bein that brokenness with us?
And that's how we get throughthose seasons, is by
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inviting him into that mess.
I mean, that's reallythe whole reason why he came.
He knew we weren'tgoing to be able to get through
this life, through the messof this life without him.
And so if I can teach womento be open and honest
things like telling Godyou're angry, it's
okay to be angry with God.
He's got big shoulders.
He can handle it.
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I used to thinkthat was such a sin, but yet
I know that in my relationshipwith my husband, for example,
I can tell himI'm angry with you.
What you did hurt me.
I don't understand your actions.
It hurts me.
And then throughour relationship, he can say,
this is what my intention was.
This is what my plan isand this is how we're going
to get through it together.
I think in a lot of ways,our relationship with
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the Lord is the same.
And when we can get tothis place where we can say,
I don't understand,I'm angry with you, it's
this raw, vulnerable placethat then God can start to work.
And Mitt, in the middle ofall that brokenness
that's powerful.
Oh, that's so good.
And just changing gearsa little bit, I want to talk
a little bit about your workbecause you mentioned
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that you are a staff pastor,and you also have a role,
I believe it'swith the Global Orphan
Care organization.
Talk to me a little bitabout how that impacts your work
and your podcast as well,because not only are you getting
a glimpse into thestruggles of women
here in the United States,but you're seeing
the struggles of women in placesthat most of us won't be able
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to travel to.
Yeah.
And, you know,that's changed for me
a little bit over the years.
I actually, just as pastor,stepped down from my full time
ministry rolebecause the podcast
began so big.
And I am also in the middleof a multi book contract
with a major publisher, andI have to sleep sometimes,
but thankfully I still havea partnership with Compassion
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Internationaland I just got back
from actually two tripswith them within the last month
where I was ableto kind of continue
some of the mission workthat I've been doing
for years and years.
But one of thethings that I noticed is that it
didn't really matterif it was somebody, a woman
in the local church,or if it was somebody in
maybe inner city Brooklynor somebody
in the bush of Africa.
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Women seem to havecommon struggles,
common insecurities, and commonthings that were questions
within their relationshipwith the Lord.
And so itbecame very interesting for me.
And I realized thatthat's really in a lot of ways,
how the enemy operates.
It didn't really seem to matterwhere we were at.
It was like a rural areawhere women barely,
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you know, enter the cityand they're farming
most of the time, or somebodythat's, you know,
living on the streets.
It was really justthis common thread
where the enemy had triedto keep women from understanding
how to hear God's voice.
And then also, you know, I knowsome of the struggles
that you're well aware ofin the struggles that women have
with pornography.
I was so shocked.
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One of the thingsthat I started to do
is on our Facebook page.
I just ask womenwhen they come in on our inner
Facebook group,what are some struggles you have
in your relationshipwith the Lord?
And I was so shockedto see how many women would say,
I'm really strugglingwith pornography,
and I don't feel likeI can admit this to anybody.
And, you know, I think it'sone of those things
where we don't necessarilytalk about it
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very much in the church,or at least in the churches
I've been a part of,because there's
this shame around it where womendon't even want to admit
that they had a problemin the first place.
And so women that are lookingfor resources
or help are really it'sreally sparse to find resources
within the contextof the local church
because they're afraidof being judged.
They're afraid ofsaying things out loud
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that they're so ashamed of.
And so in that forumwhere it was just
this woman and me, and she knewthat nobody else
was going to see these answersbesides me.
It became thisreally vulnerable place
where they werewilling to be honest.
And so I quickly realizedthat there is such a huge need
for resources in this area,because it is a struggle
that women have.
It doesn't matter the age,it doesn't matter how long
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they've been a believer.
It doesn't even matter locationbecause unfortunately,
I guess fortunatelyand unfortunately, you know,
I can't even tell youhow many times
I've been in the bushin the middle of Africa
and people still havecell phones, they still have
connectivity,and it is something
that has permeatedthe lives of people
around the globe.
Yeah, you are so right.
And technologyreally has changed
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the landscape.
And I think for women,our culture has become
so increasingly porn ified.
I mean, it's in our movies,it's in our TV shows.
It's it has crept inin so many places.
And I often when I'm talkingto women's groups, you know,
I talk about our discernmentkind of being dulled
by the constantbombardment of that
and how we haveto really sharpen
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our, our, our receptors.
You know, we really needto be aware of that
because it creeps inand the enemy is using
all of these different anglesto really,
you know, to attack us.
And we have towe have to be able
to fortify ourselveswith God's Word
and with his, his armor.
You know, I mean, he gives usthe sword of truth,
and we need to use that.
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So talk to mea little bit about, your podcast
specifically, if women listeningtoday are interested
in learning more,what kind of topics
do you dive intoand what can they expect
to learn?
Or, you know, do you havea community element
as well built into that?
Yeah.
So we have a coupledifferent levels depending on
how committedpeople want to be in
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and how deep they want to diveon a service level.
We have a Facebook groupthat is very general where women
just encourage other women.
We share prayer requests.
It's very service levelfor people that want to dive
a little bit deeper.
We have a Patreon group,and in the Patreon it's
a little bit deeper topics.
But on the podcast, I've donea range of things.
Right now we're doing thegospel of Mark, where
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we're going througha little by little
and we're talkingabout the history
and the culture and the contextand how that's relevant
to daily life.
Some of the other thingsthat we've done,
like this past summer,we did a spiritual
discipline series.
So we talked about everythingfrom fasting to worship
to prayer to solitudeand how those are all different
kinds of muscles that help usgrow spiritually.
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And so it's kind of a mix.
It's kind of a mixof Bible study.
Usually in the fallwe do Bible study, but then
throughout the yearwe do different topics.
Anything from, you know,we did love sex in the Bible
and we talked aboutwhat that actually looks like
from a healthy perspectivewithin our
marriage relationships.
That was a really popularone that we did this past year.
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We talk about womenin and the leadership
that God calls themto in Scripture
and what that looks likefor women.
Now we talk about honestly, I doquestion is and answers a lot
where women can write in whattheir questions are.
And then I'll unpack that.
So it could be anythingfrom homosexuality to divorce
to pornography to parenting,all of these topics
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that are really affecting womenin their everyday lives.
Because I think my heartfor this podcast,
and I think for allof the resources that I do,
is somethingthat's very practical,
that gets off of the pagesof their Bible
and into their hearts,into their minds,
into their behavior,because that's really
what God wants for us.
He doesn't want our Biblesto just stay on our desk.
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He wants that wordto be in our heart.
Absolutely. Yeah.
And I know on your websiteyou talk a lot
about helping women kind ofreveal the things that are deep
inside our hearts, right?
Because we tend to you know,I mean, it's
kind of in our nature.
We we have to be strong.
We paint on these faces,we go to church and we aren't
willing to be vulnerableand share those,
those deep insecurities.
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Our fears, you know,our own desires.
What advice do you havefor women who might be,
you know, strugglingwith pornography
or just strugglingwith insecurities or,
you know, fearsand things like that?
What advice do you have for themas a good first step
in kind of addressingsome of those challenges
in their lives?
Well, I think for a first step,I think it's really important
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to be honest with God.
I think it's really hard to beon a path of healing or relief
from any kind ofaddiction, really,
or even any insecurity.
If we're not firsthonest with God and he knows,
he already knows, you know, he'she's in the room with us.
He knows all of the thingsthat we struggle with.
But I think from a foundationalperspective, getting to a place
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where you say, okay, God,I know that I can't do this
on my own.
I know thatthis is an insecurity
that has chased memy whole life.
This is an addictionthat takes me my whole life.
I cannot do it on my own.
I think that is thefoundational aspect
of where we say, okay, God,I want to invite you
into this process.
And I think for a lot of women,that's tough
because we think, okay,God is too holy for my mess.
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But the reality is, isthat's how we get through it.
That's how we clean thingsup, is when we invite him
into that mess.
You know, it's so cliche.
We say our messbecomes our message.
But really,that's the truth of it,
where we invite Godinto the mess of our lives
and we allow him to clean upand we partner with God
in that process.
I think beyond that,I think accountability
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is a really importantpart of that process as well.
I know you have resourcesfor accountability.
One of the things that we doin on the Facebook
group event and say, okay,this is the accountability post,
what do you needaccountability for?
And maybe you'renot ready to say, I need
accountability for, you know,my pornography addiction
or reading, dirty romancenovels or,
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you know, whatever it isthat I'm struggling
with this, maybe it's, you know,there's some women
that want help getting offof, cigarets.
I mean, there'sjust all different ways,
but what do you need?
Accountability for it.
For me, sometimes it'seven things like sleep,
because I tend to not sleepas much as I need.
So I need somebodytelling me, hey, you know,
shut the light off
at 10 (18:48):
00, go to bed, stay off of TikTok.
It's those kinds of thingsthat are real world examples.
And what I've tried to dois create
this community of womenthat are there
to hold each other accountable,to pray for each other
and to build each other up.
Because we also knowthat there's
this flip side of it,what happens when we mess up,
when we mess up so often?
I don't know about you,but I tend to have this
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all or nothingkind of personality.
Where okay, well, I messed up,so it's back to square one,
so I might as well just indulgein a whole sleeve of Oreos,
because I hadthree of them on my diet
or whatever it is.
And so I thinkwhen you have a place
where there'saccountability and grace
in that space, you can be honestand say, okay, I messed up.
Let's start over.
And then having somebody elseto say, okay, you know what?
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I've been there.
Do you got this?
And then I thinkthe other part of that
is recognizing that, you know,there's never been.
And the precursor, I guess,to what I want to say
is, God can and does do miracleswhere people are delivered
like that from from thingsthat are struggles.
But more oftenwhat I've experienced
in my own lifeis that that deliverance
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from any kind of addictionor stronghold
or anything in typicallyis a process.
And part of that process.
What I've realized is, asI've gotten to know Jesus more
and as I'vegotten closer with him,
those things take up less spacein my heart, in my mind,
in my lifestyle,because I'm crowning it
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with more of Jesus.
And if I look backover the course of my life,
I don't know that I ever,you know, could acknowledge,
okay, this is the last dayI ever did something.
It was an addictivepart of my personality.
But what I do knowis that was the year
that I got closer to Jesus.
That was the year that I madethe commitment
to chase after him.
And it was kind ofa natural byproduct of becoming
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closer to him,where he delivered me
of those things that I couldn'totherwise be delivered.
And so it sounds likea Sunday school answer.
And I don't mean to be again,I don't mean to be cliche,
but I really do think thata relationship with Jesus
is the pathwayto getting freedom from all of
those things.
Absolutely. 100% agree.
So I love that.
Well, for the listenersout there, that would like
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to check outmaybe some of your book.
So let's talk about that.
I know you've authoreda couple of books
that were more, I know you hadsome other ones
that you coauthoredor contributed to as well.
So talk to us a little bitabout some of the books
that you've written and who isthe audience and
and what are the topics?
Well, I used to bea children's pastor, so
the first set of booksthat I wrote
were really for peoplethat were in ministry
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and maybe facing thingslike burnout or,
you know, all thosethings are common.
When I wrote the last big book,before I switched
to Bible studies,that book was called go,
and it was about startingan outreach ministry,
and it was part testimony of howGod opened doors for us
when the enemy triedto shut them down.
Part curriculum, partan encouragement for people
that might find themselvesin that place.
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But really, what happenedis the Lord
kind of brought me out of thatseason of ministry
and into this seasonof women's ministry.
And so she herswas my last big book.
I actually just finishedwriting my next book.
It'll be out next year.
But she was reallyis a Bible study
that helps women take a lookat six women
in the life of Jesus,how he empowers them,
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how he equips them,how he speaks to them,
how he calls them.
And it's an in-depthlook at those six relationships
from the book of Johnthat I think were foundational
for me.
So something like The SamaritanWoman, it's a story we all know
and we are familiar with.
But when you meditate on itfor a long period of time,
and you look at theoriginal context and you look at
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the relationship between Jesusand this woman,
and we realize that, you know,her story was so powerful
the disciples hadand this is just
a quick example,but the disciples
had been down in town,you know, getting food all day.
And when they came back,they came back alone.
But when that womanwent down in town and she shared
the testimony of whatJesus had said to her,
she drove people back up to him,which tells us that women
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have influencewithin their circle.
They have influence that you orI might not have because people
know them,and it's their testimony
that's going to drive peopleto Jesus.
It's things like that.
When we lookat those stories of how
Jesus called these womenthat really, I think,
change the tidefor a lot of women
where they can recognize, oh,yeah, God does want to use me,
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whether it is in my home,whether it is at my job,
whether it is in the supermarketor wherever it is.
And then coupled with that,there's a lot of places
in that Bible study to process,process, emotions, process.
Past her, process addiction,and give those things
over to Jesus in a way that'sgoing to produce
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some lasting change.
And so I teach women,that's called the color
method of Bible study.
And it teaches themhow to really understand
what they'rereading in Scripture.
And so it's a great versebook for somebody that is new
to understanding the Bibleor not even new, but just wants
to understand those storiesin a fresh way.
And then the next bookI have out, I don't even have
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a title for it yet,but it is all about women
that had a prophetic voicein Scripture.
So women like Deborahand Anna and hold that
and what God didthrough their stories
within their circlesof influence.
And so my heart reallyis to point women
back to the scripturesand to see how Jesus encourages
and calls and equips them.
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I love that.
How do you encouragemoms out there or women
out there who maybe, you know,they're not in ministry
or they're notmaybe working their stay at home
moms, you know,because oftentimes I feel like
stay at home moms sometimes get,you know, get a little down
because, you know,they feel like, you know, it's
hard work,but nobody really sees
or knows that.
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How do you offersome encouragement to them
that the importanceof their role
really is importantto their family and
to their children?
Yeah.
Well, I you know, as achildren's pastor,
one of the things I would alwaysshare with moms is
I would get their kidsmaybe an hour a week, two hours,
if you have a longchurch service or you're there
for multiple timesduring that week,
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99% of the time those childrenare with their mom.
And that means thatthe primary person
that is responsiblefor the spiritual
discipleship ofthose kids is the mom.
And, you know, I my kids are onthe older side now.
I have teenagers, I have onethat's in college.
And what I've seen isall of those years
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that I invested, it's givingspiritual truths to my kids.
They're starting to pour outnow, you know?
And, you know, when you startto see your kids depend
on their relationshipwith the Lord because it's
their own relationship,you realize that
all of those momentswere worth it.
All of those prayerswere worth it.
You know, one of the thingswe also have as a resource
for moms is we have the HearingJesus for kids podcast,
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and that is designedspecifically for kids.
But then we have familydiscussion guides, and the
family discussionguides serve as a way to just
have discussions.
Maybe it's aroundthe dinner table or before bed,
when kids naturally want to aska lot of questions
and stay up too late.
But I think those moments areholy moments.
They can feel mundane.
They can feel like, my gosh,I have four
loads of laundry to do.
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The kitchen's a messand hear this.
You know, kids asking methis huge question about God.
But yet those are the momentsthat become foundational
to the spiritualgrowth of our kids.
And so my goal is reallyto help provide resources
in all of those areas.
And we have morecoming down the pike
with those as well.
But I feel likerecognizing first and foremost
that it really isa season of ministry, the most
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important ministryyou're ever going to do.
And so recognizing that it is aholy assignment,
even if it's not, you know,there are days I remember
as a young mom, there were days,maybe even weeks,
or I don't even knowthat I left the house
until unless it was liketo go to the grocery store.
And I just remember feeling,oh my gosh, like,
am I even making impact?
But the reality is, is we are.
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Because generationsof kids that come after our kids
are going to be impactedby the spiritual legacy
you're giving to your kidsin this season.
Absolutely, I love that.
That's great encouragementfor our homeschool
moms out there that are partof our audience.
So thank you, I appreciate that.
Well, as we bring today'sepisode to a close,
I just want to leaveour listeners
with a little bit ofword of wisdom
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or some encouragement and also,remind them how
they can get in touch with youand your podcast.
So let's go ahead and startwith that word of encouragement
that you'd like to offerto our audience.
And then we'll point them toyour resources.
You know, I thinkone of the things
that I always sayon the podcast, and I think this
is true for moms, no matterif they're working
inside of their home,outside of the home,
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maybe for womenthat aren't even moms
that might be listening,there can be so much pressure,
I think sometimesto think, okay, well,
I don't have a ministry,or I'm not even in an office
where I can pray for people.
But I think ultimately whatwe're called to is to know him
and to make him known.
So knowing him is a firstimportant concept
that we don't haveto really know who Jesus is.
And we do that through his word.
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And then making him known.
Whether it is to your children,your husband, to your next door
neighbor, don't underestimatethat call because God can do
more with our 30s than we canwith 30 years.
And so I would justencourage you to just come back
to that place of making surethat you are knowing him
and making him known.
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And then also, I would sayfor people
that are in a place ofjust curious
about what God is doing,I would say I am always here
as a resource for,helping you to know God
and you know his voicemore clearly.
And so I have, like I said,the question and answer
series on my podcast.
If you have questions,if there's some of those deep
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burning spiritual questions,I'm always a resource
and happy to help.
And then you canalways reach out.
She hears thatorg is the website,
and that's where you cankind of find the umbrella
for all of the different things.
I'm doing, whether it'scourses or coaching
or podcasting or travel,all of those things.
Awesome. All right.
Well, we'll be sure to putall those links
in the show notes,because that way our listeners
can grab those.
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Oftentimes they're driving,they're at the gym,
so they can't necessarilywrite them down.
And we know that so well.
Thank you Rachel Groll,so much for joining us today.
It's been a great conversation.
I love your passionto serve women and to help them
be more discerningand hear from the Lord.
I love that so much.
Thank you for all your hard workand thanks for joining
the podcast today.
Yeah.
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Thanks so much for having.
Awesome. All right.
Well, listeners, definitelymake sure you hit the like
button and subscribeand share this podcast
far and wide.
We'll see you next timeon the Covenant
Life podcast. Take care.
God bless.
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