August 29, 2025 • 16 mins
Guest: Jennifer Parr – Host of Winning Women Podcast
Hosts: Karen Potter & Rob Stoddard
Episode Length: ~16 minutes
Topics Covered:
- Why Jennifer started the Winning Women Podcast and her heart for helping women redefine success.
- The challenges of leaving behind a career to follow God’s call.
- The trap of self-confidence and the need for Christ-centered confidence.
- How social media fuels comparison and insecurity—and how to silence the noise.
- Biblical truths for overcoming shame, fear, and false identity.
- Encouragement for women navigating transitions, motherhood, and ministry.
Resources & Links:
- Listen to Jennifer’s Winning Women Podcast → Available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and all major platforms.
- Follow Jennifer Parr on Instagram: @jenniferparr
- Explore Allen Parr’s YouTube channel The Beat → Biblical Encouragement and Truth
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Karen Potter (00:06):
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to theCovenant Eyes Podcast.
We're so glad to haveyou joining us today.
Rob, we have gotan amazing guest
joining us for ourinterview this morning.
Rob Stoddard (00:14):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Good friend of ours, known themfor a long time.
Yep.
Jennifer Park.
Jennifer Parr (00:19):
Hello.
Welcome here.
Kevin Eyes
Rob Stoddard (00:21):
podcast.
Jennifer, we.
You know, we wanna talkabout your podcast that
you've been startinghere, and just learn a
little bit more aboutthat and your ministry.
So would you please justtell our listeners why
you started the podcastand what it's all about?
Absolutely.
Well, first off, thankyou all for having me,
and I just love themission that Covenant
Eyes is behind and,and it's interesting
(00:42):
how, you know, womenplay a part of that
and what, what inspiredme to start this
podcast is really.
All the things I feltlike I had to unlearn
to learn what successlooks like for women.
Jennifer Parr (00:54):
Yeah.
And so the heartbehind the podcast is
really just for womento redefine success.
Mm-hmm.
I come from this strongwomen kinda fell into
the trap of like thefeminist boss babe
movement, which, youknow, there are some
not so healthy Yeah.
Messages in that, but.
As most women, wewanna succeed, we
(01:15):
wanna be successful.
But then I realized I'mtrying to succeed and
win the world's way.
And that led to burnout.
Yeah.
It led to my capacitytapped, it led to me
not being a healthywife, a healthy mom.
Just a healthyperson in general.
Yeah.
Right.
And so, uh, winningwomen is redefining
ucce success on howto win God's way.
(01:36):
Not the world's way.
No.
Excellent.
I love that.
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
Karen Potter (01:38):
Yeah.
So, uh, you know,for our listeners out
there, they probablyknow that you're the
wife of Pastor AllenPark, which is fun.
So how has, um, youknow, his success and
his ministry reallyshaped a lot of, you
know, what you'velearned over the years
and how you have nowmoved into a space where
you're, you're a stayat home mom, right?
And you're doing thepodcast and you're doing
(01:59):
all these things, buthow have you found that
balance and how has thatall worked together?
Absolutely.
Well.
A lot of people don'tknow this, but, uh, my
husband, Alan Par, wehave a YouTube channel
called The Beat.
It stands for BiblicalEncouragement and Truth.
And when we firststarted 10 years
ago, I was the onebehind the camera.
Oh my goodness.
So he was in frontof the camera.
So what you see is ahim and he's so gifted,
(02:20):
he's such a theologian.
But I was kind oflike the producer
that was like, okay,babe, wrap it up.
Like, oh, that'd begreat if you know Alan,
you know, he can take.
One scripture andliterally speak on
it for like an hour.
And back then therewasn't a lot of YouTube
channels dedicated tojust like Bible teaching
ministry that weresuccessful at least.
And so we knew the attention Panwas was short.
Jennifer Parr (02:42):
Yeah.
And uh, my backgroundis in communication, so
I was behind the camerajust kind of like, all
right babe, wrap it up.
So we really startedthis ministry together.
Yeah.
And I was behindthe camera, but as.
As life happened, we,you know, got two kids.
Yes.
And I slowly startedto move away and
focus on the home.
Yeah, yeah.
But while doing that,Alan and I both were
working full time.
(03:03):
Oh wow.
Um, I was workingoutside the home.
He was working outside the home.
Mm-hmm.
So as God called him to.
Kind of sacrifice that workloadoutside the home to
focus on ministry.
God was tuggingon my heart to do
the same thing.
Aw.
And that's really hard,especially for women.
Yeah.
When you feel likeyou either have your
dream job or you'reworking where you feel
like God placed you.
(03:23):
Yeah.
And then God's like.
Just kidding timefor you to leave and
do somethingcompletely different.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And so I think westill do ministry
together, but itjust looks different
where now mm-hmm.
He may be able to focusmore so on the ministry,
um, the public ministrythat you all see.
Yeah.
And I kind of servethe, the home ministry.
I love that.
Karen Potter (03:44):
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
No, that's, and that'ssuch an important role
and I think oftentimes.
You know, we live inthis world where it's
like the two thingsare very polarized.
If you work outside thehome, you can, you know,
you're very polarizedif you are a homemaker
and you take care ofthe children, people
you know, are like, oh,that's not a real job.
And it, it's like theseare both important
roles and we have tolearn to listen to
(04:04):
God and what he hasfor each one of us.
And it may look different foreach of us.
Absolutely.
But I think, um,you speak to that
on your podcast.
You talk about thosestruggles and, you
know, listening to Godand, and being willing
to step out in faith.
So talk to us alittle bit about.
When you knew thetime had come to
make the change andhow that really has
transformed your life.
Yeah.
Well, can we first justbe honest and say that's
(04:25):
not an easy decision?
No.
No.
And if any of youare struggling with
just you feel like atransitional decision
like God is kind oftugging on your heart.
Or you, you're, you'refeeling this, but
then you're like,but what about this?
Yeah.
I'm not even gonna sithere and say it's easy.
I actually wrestledwith God for a year.
Oh wow.
People don't talk about that.
They're like, oh,pray and it's done.
Or, or what's theother scripture?
(04:46):
Like, be still, andthen now you're just
waiting for foreverand you're like, God,
are you still there?
No.
I wrestled with God for a year.
Yeah.
Because I, therewas a lot of things.
That I didn'trealize my worth was
connected to that job.
Oh.
And that's what made itso hard for me to leave.
Yeah.
Jennifer Parr (05:04):
Mm-hmm.
And then I also realized Godwas kind of stripping
me of some thingsthat I had made idols.
Oh, I didn't knowthey were idols.
So I think that'swhere that wrestling
comes in, and I think.
It's healthy to giveGod your feelings.
Yeah.
Like a lot of timeswe feel like we
have to just pray toGod when it's like,
God, I need this.
Mm-hmm.
And then, Godthank you for this.
Yeah.
But it's okay to belike, God, I don't,
I don't get this.
Like, yeah, what is this?
(05:26):
Like, why would yougive me this job?
Or give me these kids,or give me this house,
or whatever it is.
Yeah.
That you feel like God'sblessed you with only.
For you to feel like maybe he'staking that away.
Yeah.
But he doesn't alwaysshow us the whole
stairway, right?
Mm-hmm.
He just kind of showsus the first step
and, and it really wasone of those moments
where after a yearof wrestling mm-hmm.
(05:47):
I just surrendered.
Yeah.
And so I think thesuccess is more of a surrender
driven success.
Yeah.
How I got thereversus a, just like
a overnight success.
So when I say success issuccess now in this new
role that That's right.
Isn't, like you said, often.
Celebrated.
Which you should beas obsessed, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But it's almost just,I think it's harder.
(06:07):
I mean, it was easierfor me to leave home
every day and go towork and come home, and
I know that work waskinda left out there.
Yeah.
This work doesn't turn off.
Rob Stoddard (06:17):
No, that's for sure.
It's constant.
Yes.
I'm sureyou talk with many women
who are similar, justgoing through spiritual
battles of their own.
I mean, and you have a chance tospeak into that.
What kind of biblicalprinciples can you share
from what you've learnedto help them as they're
kind of going throughthese spiritual battles?
Yes.
That's such a good question.
You know, the firstplace I'll start, and
(06:37):
this is specificallyto a message, I
think that is really.
Uh, loud in today'ssociety, and I think it
affects women because alot of our identity is
on like confidence andit's like be confident.
Yeah.
So the first thing isjust kind of death to
this self-confidence.
Mm-hmm.
I know we hear self-confidence.
And we think, okay, I gotta beconfident whether
(06:58):
I'm this or that, butself-confidence is
actually one directlyopposed to the gospel.
I mean, the wordsays like, we have to
deny our, ourselves,ourselves take up
our cross daily.
Yeah.
So that means thatwe're, our confidence
shouldn't be on us.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Also, self-confidenceis something that
can easily be faked.
(07:18):
Think about it.
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, I can just, yeah.
You know, look confidentput, I can take a
picture and make myselfseem confident, but
does that really meanthat I am confident?
So it's an almosta false outwardly,
um, it's just a false message.
Yeah.
Where we're told tokind of look inward.
Yeah.
And we only findthat through Christ.
Yeah.
We only find thatthrough Christ.
(07:39):
I think another,uh, another healthy
approach is thismore so surrender
driven success.
Yeah.
Because then when youget success, it points
to Christ, not yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Once again, this.
Self ideology is justreally plaguing women.
And, and, and I thinkit, it makes us feel
like we're failing.
Yeah.
Because we aren'tsupposed to do it alone.
(08:00):
Right.
Right.
We're not supposedto rely on ourselves.
We're supposed torely on Christ.
Right.
And it's more of whenthis success happens.
Does it point back to you?
Yeah, I did it.
Yeah.
It was because Imanifested or I did.
No, it's only because of God.
Right,
Karen Potter (08:15):
right.
Oh, that's so good.
That's good.
Well, you know, youtalk a lot about this
kind of idol of theself, you know, and
it social media reallykind of horrifies that.
I mean, I see.
Kind of both sides of it.
I see women out therein the workforce getting
it done and then, youknow, putting that
all on their socials.
Mm-hmm.
And really boasting'em all their efforts.
But then I also seethis weird movement
(08:35):
of stay at home moms.
They, you know, thecrunchy moms, this,
that, and the otherthing, but they're
putting that allout there, painting
these, you know,wonderful lives.
So I'll making Yes, yes.
And I think there's adanger in both spaces.
How, what kind ofadvice do you have for
women to really get.
Centered and, andfocused on Christ
because at like yousaid, it's really
about serving God andand doing his will.
(08:57):
And how do we keep fromfalling into either one
of those traps becauseit's very easy, very easy.
Mm-hmm.
And the common, I thinkthe commonality in
what you just shared,Karen, is there's
one common kind of.
Foundation in that.
Yeah.
And that's media.
Mm-hmm.
I think we have tosilence the noise.
I mean, think ofit, I remember when
we moved into our,um, our home and it
(09:18):
was such a blessing.
We were like, oh my gosh, thisis a great home.
Yeah.
And then the pandemichappened and so we
got to spend a lot oftime in that house.
Right.
And I just felt goodabout all the things
I was doing in thehouse, you know?
Yeah.
And so now we've madethis house into a home.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
But then look what happens.
I get on social mediaand then I see like.
All these other homesthat have just different
(09:40):
decor and all of asudden everything,
I worked hard andI was proud about.
Yeah.
I feel like it's not enough.
Yes, and so I thinkit's that same.
Same mindset with the extremes.
Yeah.
Right?
Yep.
Is you could be doingyour best at home.
Right.
Just loving yourkids, just trying to
survive with your kids.
Yeah.
Let's be real.
Right?
And then you see thismom who's like, you
(10:01):
know, the house issparkly clean and you
feel like I just madethrough my day, but
then all of a suddenthat looks like winning.
Yeah.
And now what Idid is not enough.
That's right.
Or to your point that that.
Woman who postedher new promotion.
Right.
And you may be ina job for years and
then you're like, oh.
And now I'm not successful.
Yeah.
So silence the noise.
Yeah.
Because whether weknow it or not, why
(10:22):
media is a. Good thing.
Mm-hmm.
It can be harmful, andI know you all know
about that, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yep.
Rob Stoddard (10:29):
Well, definitely you, one
thing we hear from alot of women that we
talk with, especiallyaround the issue of
pornography, is justthat shame and that
fear of struggling withthese kinds of things.
Um, you know, for, forthe women listening,
what would you sayto, to them about
issues of shame andfear in our lives?
Uh, yeah.
You know, there'sso much pressures around just.
(10:51):
Women in general, right?
Yeah.
And like who we are,who, who we're not.
I mean, now the messageis what is a woman
like, am I woman enough?
Am I feminine?
And you know, there'sjust so many messages.
And to your point, there's.
Underneath that is shame.
And then what goeseven further is then
that leads to doubtand then it leads to
anxiousness, depression.
There's just it's layers to it.
(11:12):
Yeah.
And I think the enemyliterally is looking
back and is like, yes.
Yeah.
Because think ofit, women, we have
so much influence.
Yeah.
And the enemy may notattack us the same way
he attacks men, butif he can diminish our
shame, if he can like.
Diminish our, our confidence.
Yeah.
If you can just doall those things,
then all of a suddenwe're, we're just not
successful, right?
Mm-hmm.
And so what I havefound, and I know
(11:34):
this sounds so cliche,but every time I have
put my identity insomething else, I
feel like it fails me.
It robs me, right?
So when I put myfaith or my identity
in money, and thenall of a sudden.
You know, financehas changed and
now I'm like, oh,this is horrible.
So
Jennifer Parr (11:52):
yeah, your identity only has
to come from Christand that's what
makes you valuable.
It's kind of like theother day I saw there
was an auction andthe dress for, um,
breakfast at Tiffany's.
I don't know if, I mean,I know you guys know,
our listeners may notbe old enough to know.
The Breakfast withTiffany's black dress.
Oh yeah.
Nowadays you seethat you can get
that like from Sheen.
I mean, it lookslike some of you can
(12:13):
get from Sheen orlike Ross or Target.
Yep.
But that dress sold atan auction for I think
close to $800,000.
Wow.
But the only reasonit sold for that
much is because ofwho it belonged to.
That's the only thingthat made it valuable.
Yeah.
So we are valuable.
Yeah.
Not because of what we have.
Mm-hmm.
The kids, we have thehouse, we have who
(12:33):
we serve, uh, whatwe serve, but it's.
Who's we?
Who's we are?
Yes.
And that's Christ.
Yes.
And that's what makes us viable.
So if your identitycan be centered in
that, and I strugglewith this every day.
I mean, I have to remindmyself, like when I feel
myself feeling just lessworthy, I have to remind
myself, okay, this isnot what defines me.
God does.
(12:54):
I love that.
That takes lot.
Karen Potter (12:55):
How do women do a better
job with each other?
You know, I thinkoftentimes we can be
our worst enemies.
Yes.
You know, I mean, weneed to support each
other wherever we'reat on the journey,
but how can we dobetter as women?
Yeah.
I, I mean, honestly, thecomparison trap is.
Real.
Yeah.
And, and we, there'sso many examples in the Bible.
I mean, you look atLeah, there's so many
examples where you evensee they struggled with
(13:16):
like comparison, right?
So on one side you hearthis message of like,
find community, youknow, getting in groups.
Girls are great.
Yeah.
And then you get in oneand you're like, Ooh,
this is a hot mess.
Now I feel less about myself.
Yeah.
Um, I think we asbelievers, we just
have to remember, andmy husband and I have
this motto because,you know, obviously.
I don't know if youknow, but we have over
(13:37):
700 like YouTube videos.
Wow.
Yeah.
And so at some point,like you're gonna
see people make thesame content as you.
Yeah.
And, and you start to think, oh.
Well, there's it better.
Mine did better.
And we're like, no.
If it's for thegospel, if it's true
in the gospel Right,there's no comparison.
Yeah.
Right.
So I think if you havea sister in Christ,
if you've identifiedsomeone that God has
(13:58):
put in your life thatis a sister in Christ.
Yeah.
Or just a sistergrowing in her faith.
Yeah.
You cannot let the enemy havecomparison, divide you.
Yeah.
Because she's a sisterin Christ and as long
as we are togethercollectively moving
towards mm-hmm.
Pointing people to Christ.
Yes.
Whether that's through us.
Anytime you have thatthought of comparison,
(14:20):
it's from the enemy.
It's not from God.
That's right.
Rob Stoddard (14:22):
Right.
That's excellent love.
I love that.
Well, for, uh,women listening, how
do they find you?
How do they connectwith your podcast
and support you?
Yes.
Well, thank you.
Well, most of thetime most people
find it about mebecause it's like,
who's Alan Pars wife?
It's like, that's me.
Hi.
And then I pray thatwhen they come to my
page, which I havean Instagram page,
and that's just aJennifer part that they
(14:43):
see that, you know.
While my husband issuccessful, we're
purpose partners andtheir success looks
different on thatend and on this end.
And so I have apodcast called The
Winning Women Podcast.
It's available on allplatforms where you
consume podcasts, andI deliberately made
this podcast 15, 20minute episodes because.
Let's be honest.
Yeah, that's all.
(15:04):
We have time.
That's seriously, Icould listen to one
hour, two hour, but it's tough.
It's never consistent.
It's broken up, right?
Yeah.
Yep.
So it's winning Womenpodcast, and for that
woman who just needssomething while you're
in the carpool linefor that woman who
is driving somewhereand needs just the
truth spoken over her.
For that woman whojust got your first
(15:26):
20 minutes of.
Time to yourself that day.
This podcast is foryou so that you can
redefine success, um,and win God's way,
not the world's way.
Absolutely.
I love
Karen Potter (15:34):
that.
Well, listeners,definitely check it out.
You will find a lotof encouragement and
also just some wisdomthere that you can
really bring backinto your own life.
Jennifer, it has beenso great talking you.
Thank you for all you you do.
Thank you for everythingthat you've pro,
you know, broughtto this podcast.
I think there's a lotof women that could
really be blessed by it.
So thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you all for having me.
(15:55):
Well, thanks toeverybody for tuning
into this episode of theCovenant Eyes Podcast.
We'll see you next time.
God bless.
Hey everybody.
Welcome back to theCovenant Eyes Podcast.
We're so glad to haveyou joining us today.
Rob, we have gotan amazing guest
joining us for ourinterview this morning.
Rob Stoddard (00:14):
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Good friend of ours, known themfor a long time.
Yep.
Jennifer Park.
Jennifer Parr (00:19):
Hello.
Welcome here.
Kevin Eyes
Rob Stoddard (00:21):
podcast.
Jennifer, we.
You know, we wanna talkabout your podcast that
you've been startinghere, and just learn a
little bit more aboutthat and your ministry.
So would you please justtell our listeners why
you started the podcastand what it's all about?
Absolutely.
Well, first off, thankyou all for having me,
and I just love themission that Covenant
Eyes is behind and,and it's interesting
(00:42):
how, you know, womenplay a part of that
and what, what inspiredme to start this
podcast is really.
All the things I feltlike I had to unlearn
to learn what successlooks like for women.
Jennifer Parr (00:54):
Yeah.
And so the heartbehind the podcast is
really just for womento redefine success.
Mm-hmm.
I come from this strongwomen kinda fell into
the trap of like thefeminist boss babe
movement, which, youknow, there are some
not so healthy Yeah.
Messages in that, but.
As most women, wewanna succeed, we
(01:15):
wanna be successful.
But then I realized I'mtrying to succeed and
win the world's way.
And that led to burnout.
Yeah.
It led to my capacitytapped, it led to me
not being a healthywife, a healthy mom.
Just a healthyperson in general.
Yeah.
Right.
And so, uh, winningwomen is redefining
ucce success on howto win God's way.
(01:36):
Not the world's way.
No.
Excellent.
I love that.
Mm-hmm.
I love that.
Karen Potter (01:38):
Yeah.
So, uh, you know,for our listeners out
there, they probablyknow that you're the
wife of Pastor AllenPark, which is fun.
So how has, um, youknow, his success and
his ministry reallyshaped a lot of, you
know, what you'velearned over the years
and how you have nowmoved into a space where
you're, you're a stayat home mom, right?
And you're doing thepodcast and you're doing
(01:59):
all these things, buthow have you found that
balance and how has thatall worked together?
Absolutely.
Well.
A lot of people don'tknow this, but, uh, my
husband, Alan Par, wehave a YouTube channel
called The Beat.
It stands for BiblicalEncouragement and Truth.
And when we firststarted 10 years
ago, I was the onebehind the camera.
Oh my goodness.
So he was in frontof the camera.
So what you see is ahim and he's so gifted,
(02:20):
he's such a theologian.
But I was kind oflike the producer
that was like, okay,babe, wrap it up.
Like, oh, that'd begreat if you know Alan,
you know, he can take.
One scripture andliterally speak on
it for like an hour.
And back then therewasn't a lot of YouTube
channels dedicated tojust like Bible teaching
ministry that weresuccessful at least.
And so we knew the attention Panwas was short.
Jennifer Parr (02:42):
Yeah.
And uh, my backgroundis in communication, so
I was behind the camerajust kind of like, all
right babe, wrap it up.
So we really startedthis ministry together.
Yeah.
And I was behindthe camera, but as.
As life happened, we,you know, got two kids.
Yes.
And I slowly startedto move away and
focus on the home.
Yeah, yeah.
But while doing that,Alan and I both were
working full time.
(03:03):
Oh wow.
Um, I was workingoutside the home.
He was working outside the home.
Mm-hmm.
So as God called him to.
Kind of sacrifice that workloadoutside the home to
focus on ministry.
God was tuggingon my heart to do
the same thing.
Aw.
And that's really hard,especially for women.
Yeah.
When you feel likeyou either have your
dream job or you'reworking where you feel
like God placed you.
(03:23):
Yeah.
And then God's like.
Just kidding timefor you to leave and
do somethingcompletely different.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
And so I think westill do ministry
together, but itjust looks different
where now mm-hmm.
He may be able to focusmore so on the ministry,
um, the public ministrythat you all see.
Yeah.
And I kind of servethe, the home ministry.
I love that.
Karen Potter (03:44):
Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
No, that's, and that'ssuch an important role
and I think oftentimes.
You know, we live inthis world where it's
like the two thingsare very polarized.
If you work outside thehome, you can, you know,
you're very polarizedif you are a homemaker
and you take care ofthe children, people
you know, are like, oh,that's not a real job.
And it, it's like theseare both important
roles and we have tolearn to listen to
(04:04):
God and what he hasfor each one of us.
And it may look different foreach of us.
Absolutely.
But I think, um,you speak to that
on your podcast.
You talk about thosestruggles and, you
know, listening to Godand, and being willing
to step out in faith.
So talk to us alittle bit about.
When you knew thetime had come to
make the change andhow that really has
transformed your life.
Yeah.
Well, can we first justbe honest and say that's
(04:25):
not an easy decision?
No.
No.
And if any of youare struggling with
just you feel like atransitional decision
like God is kind oftugging on your heart.
Or you, you're, you'refeeling this, but
then you're like,but what about this?
Yeah.
I'm not even gonna sithere and say it's easy.
I actually wrestledwith God for a year.
Oh wow.
People don't talk about that.
They're like, oh,pray and it's done.
Or, or what's theother scripture?
(04:46):
Like, be still, andthen now you're just
waiting for foreverand you're like, God,
are you still there?
No.
I wrestled with God for a year.
Yeah.
Because I, therewas a lot of things.
That I didn'trealize my worth was
connected to that job.
Oh.
And that's what made itso hard for me to leave.
Yeah.
Jennifer Parr (05:04):
Mm-hmm.
And then I also realized Godwas kind of stripping
me of some thingsthat I had made idols.
Oh, I didn't knowthey were idols.
So I think that'swhere that wrestling
comes in, and I think.
It's healthy to giveGod your feelings.
Yeah.
Like a lot of timeswe feel like we
have to just pray toGod when it's like,
God, I need this.
Mm-hmm.
And then, Godthank you for this.
Yeah.
But it's okay to belike, God, I don't,
I don't get this.
Like, yeah, what is this?
(05:26):
Like, why would yougive me this job?
Or give me these kids,or give me this house,
or whatever it is.
Yeah.
That you feel like God'sblessed you with only.
For you to feel like maybe he'staking that away.
Yeah.
But he doesn't alwaysshow us the whole
stairway, right?
Mm-hmm.
He just kind of showsus the first step
and, and it really wasone of those moments
where after a yearof wrestling mm-hmm.
(05:47):
I just surrendered.
Yeah.
And so I think thesuccess is more of a surrender
driven success.
Yeah.
How I got thereversus a, just like
a overnight success.
So when I say success issuccess now in this new
role that That's right.
Isn't, like you said, often.
Celebrated.
Which you should beas obsessed, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But it's almost just,I think it's harder.
(06:07):
I mean, it was easierfor me to leave home
every day and go towork and come home, and
I know that work waskinda left out there.
Yeah.
This work doesn't turn off.
Rob Stoddard (06:17):
No, that's for sure.
It's constant.
Yes.
I'm sureyou talk with many women
who are similar, justgoing through spiritual
battles of their own.
I mean, and you have a chance tospeak into that.
What kind of biblicalprinciples can you share
from what you've learnedto help them as they're
kind of going throughthese spiritual battles?
Yes.
That's such a good question.
You know, the firstplace I'll start, and
(06:37):
this is specificallyto a message, I
think that is really.
Uh, loud in today'ssociety, and I think it
affects women because alot of our identity is
on like confidence andit's like be confident.
Yeah.
So the first thing isjust kind of death to
this self-confidence.
Mm-hmm.
I know we hear self-confidence.
And we think, okay, I gotta beconfident whether
(06:58):
I'm this or that, butself-confidence is
actually one directlyopposed to the gospel.
I mean, the wordsays like, we have to
deny our, ourselves,ourselves take up
our cross daily.
Yeah.
So that means thatwe're, our confidence
shouldn't be on us.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
Also, self-confidenceis something that
can easily be faked.
(07:18):
Think about it.
That's true.
Yeah.
I mean, I can just, yeah.
You know, look confidentput, I can take a
picture and make myselfseem confident, but
does that really meanthat I am confident?
So it's an almosta false outwardly,
um, it's just a false message.
Yeah.
Where we're told tokind of look inward.
Yeah.
And we only findthat through Christ.
Yeah.
We only find thatthrough Christ.
(07:39):
I think another,uh, another healthy
approach is thismore so surrender
driven success.
Yeah.
Because then when youget success, it points
to Christ, not yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Once again, this.
Self ideology is justreally plaguing women.
And, and, and I thinkit, it makes us feel
like we're failing.
Yeah.
Because we aren'tsupposed to do it alone.
(08:00):
Right.
Right.
We're not supposedto rely on ourselves.
We're supposed torely on Christ.
Right.
And it's more of whenthis success happens.
Does it point back to you?
Yeah, I did it.
Yeah.
It was because Imanifested or I did.
No, it's only because of God.
Right,
Karen Potter (08:15):
right.
Oh, that's so good.
That's good.
Well, you know, youtalk a lot about this
kind of idol of theself, you know, and
it social media reallykind of horrifies that.
I mean, I see.
Kind of both sides of it.
I see women out therein the workforce getting
it done and then, youknow, putting that
all on their socials.
Mm-hmm.
And really boasting'em all their efforts.
But then I also seethis weird movement
(08:35):
of stay at home moms.
They, you know, thecrunchy moms, this,
that, and the otherthing, but they're
putting that allout there, painting
these, you know,wonderful lives.
So I'll making Yes, yes.
And I think there's adanger in both spaces.
How, what kind ofadvice do you have for
women to really get.
Centered and, andfocused on Christ
because at like yousaid, it's really
about serving God andand doing his will.
(08:57):
And how do we keep fromfalling into either one
of those traps becauseit's very easy, very easy.
Mm-hmm.
And the common, I thinkthe commonality in
what you just shared,Karen, is there's
one common kind of.
Foundation in that.
Yeah.
And that's media.
Mm-hmm.
I think we have tosilence the noise.
I mean, think ofit, I remember when
we moved into our,um, our home and it
(09:18):
was such a blessing.
We were like, oh my gosh, thisis a great home.
Yeah.
And then the pandemichappened and so we
got to spend a lot oftime in that house.
Right.
And I just felt goodabout all the things
I was doing in thehouse, you know?
Yeah.
And so now we've madethis house into a home.
Yeah.
Beautiful.
But then look what happens.
I get on social mediaand then I see like.
All these other homesthat have just different
(09:40):
decor and all of asudden everything,
I worked hard andI was proud about.
Yeah.
I feel like it's not enough.
Yes, and so I thinkit's that same.
Same mindset with the extremes.
Yeah.
Right?
Yep.
Is you could be doingyour best at home.
Right.
Just loving yourkids, just trying to
survive with your kids.
Yeah.
Let's be real.
Right?
And then you see thismom who's like, you
(10:01):
know, the house issparkly clean and you
feel like I just madethrough my day, but
then all of a suddenthat looks like winning.
Yeah.
And now what Idid is not enough.
That's right.
Or to your point that that.
Woman who postedher new promotion.
Right.
And you may be ina job for years and
then you're like, oh.
And now I'm not successful.
Yeah.
So silence the noise.
Yeah.
Because whether weknow it or not, why
(10:22):
media is a. Good thing.
Mm-hmm.
It can be harmful, andI know you all know
about that, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yep.
Rob Stoddard (10:29):
Well, definitely you, one
thing we hear from alot of women that we
talk with, especiallyaround the issue of
pornography, is justthat shame and that
fear of struggling withthese kinds of things.
Um, you know, for, forthe women listening,
what would you sayto, to them about
issues of shame andfear in our lives?
Uh, yeah.
You know, there'sso much pressures around just.
(10:51):
Women in general, right?
Yeah.
And like who we are,who, who we're not.
I mean, now the messageis what is a woman
like, am I woman enough?
Am I feminine?
And you know, there'sjust so many messages.
And to your point, there's.
Underneath that is shame.
And then what goeseven further is then
that leads to doubtand then it leads to
anxiousness, depression.
There's just it's layers to it.
(11:12):
Yeah.
And I think the enemyliterally is looking
back and is like, yes.
Yeah.
Because think ofit, women, we have
so much influence.
Yeah.
And the enemy may notattack us the same way
he attacks men, butif he can diminish our
shame, if he can like.
Diminish our, our confidence.
Yeah.
If you can just doall those things,
then all of a suddenwe're, we're just not
successful, right?
Mm-hmm.
And so what I havefound, and I know
(11:34):
this sounds so cliche,but every time I have
put my identity insomething else, I
feel like it fails me.
It robs me, right?
So when I put myfaith or my identity
in money, and thenall of a sudden.
You know, financehas changed and
now I'm like, oh,this is horrible.
So
Jennifer Parr (11:52):
yeah, your identity only has
to come from Christand that's what
makes you valuable.
It's kind of like theother day I saw there
was an auction andthe dress for, um,
breakfast at Tiffany's.
I don't know if, I mean,I know you guys know,
our listeners may notbe old enough to know.
The Breakfast withTiffany's black dress.
Oh yeah.
Nowadays you seethat you can get
that like from Sheen.
I mean, it lookslike some of you can
(12:13):
get from Sheen orlike Ross or Target.
Yep.
But that dress sold atan auction for I think
close to $800,000.
Wow.
But the only reasonit sold for that
much is because ofwho it belonged to.
That's the only thingthat made it valuable.
Yeah.
So we are valuable.
Yeah.
Not because of what we have.
Mm-hmm.
The kids, we have thehouse, we have who
(12:33):
we serve, uh, whatwe serve, but it's.
Who's we?
Who's we are?
Yes.
And that's Christ.
Yes.
And that's what makes us viable.
So if your identitycan be centered in
that, and I strugglewith this every day.
I mean, I have to remindmyself, like when I feel
myself feeling just lessworthy, I have to remind
myself, okay, this isnot what defines me.
God does.
(12:54):
I love that.
That takes lot.
Karen Potter (12:55):
How do women do a better
job with each other?
You know, I thinkoftentimes we can be
our worst enemies.
Yes.
You know, I mean, weneed to support each
other wherever we'reat on the journey,
but how can we dobetter as women?
Yeah.
I, I mean, honestly, thecomparison trap is.
Real.
Yeah.
And, and we, there'sso many examples in the Bible.
I mean, you look atLeah, there's so many
examples where you evensee they struggled with
(13:16):
like comparison, right?
So on one side you hearthis message of like,
find community, youknow, getting in groups.
Girls are great.
Yeah.
And then you get in oneand you're like, Ooh,
this is a hot mess.
Now I feel less about myself.
Yeah.
Um, I think we asbelievers, we just
have to remember, andmy husband and I have
this motto because,you know, obviously.
I don't know if youknow, but we have over
(13:37):
700 like YouTube videos.
Wow.
Yeah.
And so at some point,like you're gonna
see people make thesame content as you.
Yeah.
And, and you start to think, oh.
Well, there's it better.
Mine did better.
And we're like, no.
If it's for thegospel, if it's true
in the gospel Right,there's no comparison.
Yeah.
Right.
So I think if you havea sister in Christ,
if you've identifiedsomeone that God has
(13:58):
put in your life thatis a sister in Christ.
Yeah.
Or just a sistergrowing in her faith.
Yeah.
You cannot let the enemy havecomparison, divide you.
Yeah.
Because she's a sisterin Christ and as long
as we are togethercollectively moving
towards mm-hmm.
Pointing people to Christ.
Yes.
Whether that's through us.
Anytime you have thatthought of comparison,
(14:20):
it's from the enemy.
It's not from God.
That's right.
Rob Stoddard (14:22):
Right.
That's excellent love.
I love that.
Well, for, uh,women listening, how
do they find you?
How do they connectwith your podcast
and support you?
Yes.
Well, thank you.
Well, most of thetime most people
find it about mebecause it's like,
who's Alan Pars wife?
It's like, that's me.
Hi.
And then I pray thatwhen they come to my
page, which I havean Instagram page,
and that's just aJennifer part that they
(14:43):
see that, you know.
While my husband issuccessful, we're
purpose partners andtheir success looks
different on thatend and on this end.
And so I have apodcast called The
Winning Women Podcast.
It's available on allplatforms where you
consume podcasts, andI deliberately made
this podcast 15, 20minute episodes because.
Let's be honest.
Yeah, that's all.
(15:04):
We have time.
That's seriously, Icould listen to one
hour, two hour, but it's tough.
It's never consistent.
It's broken up, right?
Yeah.
Yep.
So it's winning Womenpodcast, and for that
woman who just needssomething while you're
in the carpool linefor that woman who
is driving somewhereand needs just the
truth spoken over her.
For that woman whojust got your first
(15:26):
20 minutes of.
Time to yourself that day.
This podcast is foryou so that you can
redefine success, um,and win God's way,
not the world's way.
Absolutely.
I love
Karen Potter (15:34):
that.
Well, listeners,definitely check it out.
You will find a lotof encouragement and
also just some wisdomthere that you can
really bring backinto your own life.
Jennifer, it has beenso great talking you.
Thank you for all you you do.
Thank you for everythingthat you've pro,
you know, broughtto this podcast.
I think there's a lotof women that could
really be blessed by it.
So thank you.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thank you all for having me.
(15:55):
Well, thanks toeverybody for tuning
into this episode of theCovenant Eyes Podcast.
We'll see you next time.
God bless.
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