August 13, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode of The Covenant Eyes Podcast, hosts Karen Potter and Rob Stoddard welcome author, speaker, and teacher Cecil Taylor to discuss how Christians can live out a practical seven-day faith in today’s world.
Cecil shares his journey from part-time ministry to launching Cecil Taylor Ministries, which equips believers to bring Sunday into the rest of the week. He talks about parenting with biblical values, building strong family priorities, and guiding children through today’s tech-saturated culture.
We explore:
⛏️ How to remember “who you are and whose you are” daily
⛏️ Parenting strategies that instill lasting faith
⛏️ How the church can address sensitive issues like pornography and addiction with love and forgiveness
⛏️. The importance of community, vulnerability, and trustworthiness in discipleship
⛏️. Steering our minds (and our children’s) toward positive, God-honoring content
📚 Resources & Links:
Cecil Taylor Ministries – Books, devotionals, videos, and the Practical Faith Academy Podcast
https://www.ceciltaylorministries.com/
Unison Parenting – Parenting resources and special book offer
https://www.unisonparenting.com/
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 – Welcome back with Karen & Rob
01:06 – Introducing Cecil Taylor and his ministry
02:02 – Cecil’s journey to full-time ministry
04:14 – Resources for living a practical seven-day faith
06:05 – Scripture as a daily tool for overcoming struggles
08:39 – Parenting with faith in everyday moments
11:03 – Community, vulnerability, and trustworthiness in discipleship
13:23 – Covenant Eyes Pause Test
14:20 – Prioritizing church as a family
17:31 – How churches can address pornography addiction
21:48 – Guiding families toward positive influences
23:38 – Teaching kids to make good decisions in a digital world
26:35 – How to connect with Cecil Taylor and his resources
30:15 – Closing thoughts and encouragement
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(00:06):
Hey everybody, welcome backto The Covenant Eyes Podcast.
We are so glad to have youjoining us today.
And of coursewe've got Rob back.
He has been on the road.
He's been a road warriorfor the last two weeks.
So it's good to see you.
Rob, how are you?
Yeah, good a little tired, but,conferences are always,
always fun.
So glad to be back.
(00:27):
Yeah. Awesome.
And for our listenersthat don't know,
and if you go to conferences outand about all across
the country, you are likelyto see Rob Stoddard there.
He attends, I don't even know,like 18, 20 conferences a year
on behalf of Covenant Eyes.
So many conferences.
Something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
So if you're everat a conference and you get
(00:48):
into the exhibit hall, look forthe Covenant Eyes
booth, you might seeRob Stoddard there.
So with that, though, todaywe are actually going
to be talking to a wonderfulgentleman.
His name is Cecil Taylor.
He's an author, he's a speaker,he's a teacher, and he's really
focused on promotingpractical faith.
And I love thatbecause that's something
(01:08):
we absolutely need.
You know, how do we actuallyput our faith
into action every day?
You know, whether we'reat the grocery store
or washing the dishes, you know,with our children,
with our husband.
So it just it's a reallygreat conversation, Rob,
and I'm really excitedto dive into that topic.
How about you?
Absolutely.
This and it seems likewe've gotten away from this
(01:30):
as a church of reallyjust living out our faith day
in and day out.
And so really excitedto talk about this topic today
and how it relates to,you know, the work we do,
because there's definitely some,some pieces in there.
So.
So if we could Cecil,we'll start out,
could you tell usa little bit about your,
your ministry, how how you helppeople live that
(01:50):
practical seven day,life of faith and also really
kind of what inspired you toto start this ministry
and what you're doing?
Yeah.
I was a preacher's kid,and I always was in the church
as an adult.
I taught, adult Sundayschool classes
for decades, workedwith church youth for 30 years.
(02:14):
So, I was so involved in that.
And then I felt a call togo outside
the bounds of my churchbecause people kept telling me
I could do this Christian stuffon Sundays,
but the rest of the weekit's really hard.
It's so I said, maybe I,I need to
do something about that.
And I eventually felta spirit call to go outside
(02:35):
the bounds of my churchand form this ministry
to teach Christianshow to live a seven day
practical faith,bringing Sundays into the rest
of their week.
Well, I first startedtrying to do it on the side
along with my day job.
And I started doingvideos and blogs
and various things,but it wasn't going
really very well.
And about 3 or 4 yearsinto doing that part time,
(02:58):
I got a veryclear message from God
that I needed to go full time,which I did not respond
to instead.
Instead I said,how about if I cut back
my full time work to part timebecause I was
worried about money?
So I went back to part timeand after, a few months,
it was clear that wasn'treally providing much benefit
(03:18):
to the ministry, after all.
And in prayer,as I was wrangling with
God over this, I heard God say,well, Cecil, how much money do
you really need?
And I said, I guess whateveris in my bank account right now,
that's the right answer.
So I went full timeinto his ministry after that.
(03:40):
And, God has sustainedand bless the ministry
and I know it was theright decision and that it's
God's will.
I love that, and that's that'sreal life, right?
Like, we often face situationswhere we're confronted with
we know God's calling usto do something
and we're kind ofnegotiating with him.
We think we can kind of like dipour toe in both waters.
(04:02):
It's right.
It's definitelya real life struggle.
Well, talk to us a little bitabout some of the resources
and, thingsthat you have developed
in the ministryto really help people
kind of put their faithinto action.
Yeah, sure.
So everything I do is aroundseven day practical faith.
I'm not going to goargue theology with people.
It's cross denominationalbecause I figure everybody has
(04:25):
the same problem.
How do we putfaith into practice?
And it reallylive and walk the walk.
So what I provideis, first of all, some regular
social media content, thingslike devotions, blogs
that appear all throughweekdays on my site and on my,
companion siteon parenting as well.
(04:46):
And then I also havethe practical Faith
Academy podcast,where I bring people
alongside me to talk abouthow they put faith into practice
in their corner of the world.
And then I also write books andproduce videos, original videos
for Sunday schoolclasses or small groups.
(05:06):
So whenever I write a book,I also do a small group
video series for a classto study together,
along with participantguides, study guides, that
sort of thing.
So those are popular as well.
You know, for a while I thought,I just wanted to do the videos
and not that, excuse booksbecause I thought people
(05:28):
didn't read books anymore.
And I was disabusedof that notion by many people,
especially becausewhen you have a video,
it kind of can go, you know,out at the head.
And so havingthe book is stickier
and you can, keep, keep up with,what the thoughts were
and go back and reinforce them.
So, so I try to bevery comprehensive in what I do.
(05:49):
There's a lot of free resourcesthat people can get to.
And then of course,there's the books
and videos for sale.
And I'm a speaker too, as youmentioned earlier.
So I like to go around and speakin churches about my book
topics or anything elsethey wanted to talk about.
Excellent, excellent.
Well, Cecil, as you know,we deal with a lot of people
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who are struggling in life.
Struggling with addictionaround pornography and,
and other screen issues.
Talk to usa little bit about how
having Scripturein our life, day by day,
really can help somebody that'sgoing through these kinds
of struggles.
Yeah, I think first of all,I think of taking the message
(06:34):
from James that echoeswith the seven day
practical faith idea, which is,James says, when you look
in the mirrorand then you walk away
and forget who you are,then that's the problem.
You're not puttingthe word into practice.
So I think the first thingis to remember
throughout the week,as we reengage with God
(06:57):
through prayeror through Scripture, or through
simply doing life together,that we want to remember that
who we are and who's we are.
And I think that has that's kindof a broad brush at what you're
talking about, about bringingScripture in.
Maybe there's somemore scripture
we can talk about, but that'sthat's the first thought I have,
is that we need to remember whoand whose we are.
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Like James talks about.
I think that'sreally good wisdom.
I think, it's easyto forget that
in the day to day life.
I know I've had situationslike recently, you know,
driving to churchand someone cuts me off
and I get like aworked up about it and I'm like,
wow, take a step back.
And then, you know, asI'm like getting all huffy
(07:42):
and puffy about it,I turned into the church
parking lot and I'm like, yeah,that was not my best,
you know, momentthere, you know?
And I should havebeen thinking more like,
okay, maybe that personwas in a hurry
to get to their church.
Maybe there was a good reasonthat maybe you didn't see me.
You know, like,I think there's so
many things, like,we have little things like that
that we have to remember.
(08:02):
You know, how to, like,really live out our faith.
And, like, I thinkthat is beautiful
to just say, you know,remember who you are.
And when you think like that,it changes your perspective
and how you respondto situations.
So talk to us a little bit.
You do a lot of work,and you've had a
ton of experienceworking with families
and children over the years.
(08:22):
And I think there area lot of parents that listen
to this podcast that certainly,you know, in the day to day
life of a parent, you know,taking kids to soccer practice
or off to baseball or, you know,school activities
or all the things,how do we make sure
that we're reallyputting our faith into practice
in those small momentsthroughout the
day with our kids?
(08:43):
Right.
I think that we we startby understanding that,
what what goals we have.
All in all,I believe in parents.
I have a book calledUnison Parenting about parents
being aligned and startswith having a proactive plan
of what we're going to be about,what are our core values,
and how do we putthose core values
(09:05):
into our families.
So it starts with havinga core value, our family,
and a core value.
If we go to church,church is something we do.
It's non-negotiable.
That's that's just what we do.
When you get to be 18 years old,you get to decide
what you get to do.
But you know, when you'rein our household,
you're going to churchon Sunday morning.
That's just the way it is.
And then talking aboutthe small moments, I think that
(09:27):
there are times when the familyneeds to come together
and do somethinga little more formal.
We used to have family meetingsat times, but, you know,
so much happens when you're justriding in the car
and that kind of thing.
And I think part of that,that plan also is building it in
to the wayyou operate your family.
So let me giveyou an example. In in the idea
(09:50):
of turning corevalues into practice,
we had somethingcalled a choices chart.
And the choices were all thingsthat started with the letter C,
and they were really, reallybiblically founded
for the most part.
I mean, there were things likechores and classwork
that weren't so muchbiblically founded,
but things likecourtesy and caring
(10:12):
and going to church, you know,those kinds of things.
So when we're whenever weassign consequences
for getting out of line,we mapped it to what happened
here is you weren'tcaring towards somebody else
or you weren't courteous.
You weren't conforming toyour parents.
You weren't honoring your fatherand mother
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the way that you should.
So we try to tie thingsin biblically and religiously,
as much as we could to the waywe managed our household.
It wasn't the kind of thingwhere my kids would say, yeah,
we were always just talkingabout the Bible
all day, every day.
It wasn't it wasn't like that.
But they understoodvery much our context.
(10:52):
I think contextis very important.
They understoodwe were talking about
a biblical context,a church context,
a Jesus context in the waywe lived our lives.
So good.
Yeah, it really is.
And it's so importantthat that consistency
that seven daysa week, over and over,
every little opportunityyou get that's that's wonderful.
(11:14):
Seesaw another area,as you know, Covenant Eyes
is, is dedicatedto the importance
of accountability in those typesof relationships.
And it really gets downto discipleship.
I know in,you know, in your work,
you know, were designedfor community, were designed
to disciple oneanother and encourage
one another.
Tell us a little bitabout how that plays out
(11:36):
in, in the work you're doing.
I think there'sthree things from that
that I emphasizewhen we get into this
area of, of faithand that is community,
vulnerabilityand trustworthiness.
So with, with community,I really believe in the church.
I know it's got its flaws,but I don't know how people
get through lifewithout a Sunday school class
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to support them.
To be honest,you have to have those
people around you.
Maybe you find thatsomewhere else, but you have
to have people with like mindednot necessarily equal, you know,
totally minds where we all thinkexactly the same thing
because it's it's wonderfulto have that
diversity of opinionto come to you also,
but to have peoplewho are grounded
the same way you are,who have loving hearts
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and are willing to do somethingand you're willing
to do something for them.
So community first, I found bothas a teacher
and as an individual,how important vulnerability is.
You maybe don't come inthe first five minutes
of the conversationbeing vulnerable, but
but as you get to knowsomebody and build a community,
then you can open upand be more vulnerable.
(12:40):
In my experiences, when you leadwith vulnerability,
it allows other peopleto be vulnerable as well
and know thatyou're a safe place for them
to express themselves.
And then trustworthinessis really built on those things.
Trustworthinessis very attractive.
You know, people want to be ableto trust, to know that they have
a safe place where they canhave an authentic
(13:02):
supporting relationship.
So, we need to your ideaof consistency
again, plays into that.
It's so easy to break trust.
It's so hard to build it.
So a consistent with who we areand how we behave
and how we love othersis very important
in that relationship.
So those are the kindof the three
thoughts I have them.
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So good.
And you you mentioned this,but you know
your family really madegoing to church a priority.
And I think that in some waysthe American culture,
we've let that slipa little bit.
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We haven't made that a priority.
You know, I've seen, you know,where our families prioritize
making sure we get to, you know,cheerleading practice
and baseball practice on time,and we get to all the games,
but then we,oh, we're so exhausted.
We just need a day to, you know,chill out on Sundays
and we don't make goingto church a priority.
I think that's very dangerousas a family unit because it
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I mean, our childrenare watching and it shows
our children whereour priorities lie.
And so I want to talka little bit about why
prioritizing church as a familyreally is valuable
and almost instructionalto our children as they grow.
I tell you, when I was in churchyouth ministry,
I saw this slide.
I was like, we have lost Sundaysas a church there.
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You know, you'll you'll let thesoccer coach tell you where
and how you're supposedto be at when.
And yet, in fact, one thinginteresting is in my church,
we had kind of a pathto discipleship for teens,
and when we put more stuff onthem, right, they had more
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accountability that theythey had more demands
put on them.
And that is a time when I sawfamilies respond to most of what
maybe we're not askingenough of families because we're
trying to be,oh, if you can come,
that's great.
And at the time somebody said,no, you really need
to be here for this.
Then they responded to it.
So but, but I think as a family,I realized that,
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you have to balance some thingsin today's society.
And I would loveto say that every Sunday
you have to be in church.
Well, we tried to dois work out to where,
if at all possible,we were going to be in
church on Sunday.
There were other activities too.
At church, sometimes youhad Wednesday or Sunday night
activities or whatever.
So what we really triedto do is say the church
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is really the centerof our activity.
It's it's where we're going todonate the most.
It's it's both in terms of timeand money.
It's, it's it'swhere we're going
to find ourselvesas a family the most.
And even if yougo into the church and you all
go to your own classes or eventsto come back together
and then talk about it,we always wanted
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to do that each week.
What happened in yourend of the church today?
But but I think it is difficult.
And sometimes you,you just have to say no
to some thingsand say no to some over
scheduling, for example,we had a rule
that you can only playone sport at a time.
I would see kids in three sportsat a time and they just bounce
from one to another.
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They'd be doing their homeworkin the car, you know, in
between practices.
So we said, you have to pick.
You could be in a sport,you can be in
the sport year round,but only one at a time.
And I think that you haveto make decisions like that
in order tosqueeze in church to,
the rest of your life, to saychurch comes first.
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We realize sometimes there'sconflicting schedules,
but we're goingto make up for that in some way.
And church is alwaysgoing to be the focus point.
Yeah.
So important.
So, so key.
Let's continueto talk about the church
a little bit.
One thing we certainly find isthe church can struggle with,
dealing or addressingthis issue of, pornography.
(17:47):
And, you know, addiction isaround that.
You know, in, in your areaof, of seven day a week.
Faith, what kinds of things canthe church do to really help?
People live out their faith,which, again, will will
help them addresssome of these issues
that they're struggling with?
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Well, I, I a couple of thingscome to mind rather.
Well, one thing is that, we,we have this,
need within our groups,our small groups
to talk about thingslike forgiveness.
What are the issues aroundall this is that people may know
that they're doing wrong.
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They have shame, and they have,addictive characteristics.
And to let them know that thereis, healing that comes
with openness, right?
That comes with vulnerability.
So I think that we can talka lot more about things
like love and forgiveness.
I wrote a book calledLive Like Your Loved that talks
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about the biblical truthsthat you are loved by God,
forgiven by God, sent by God,and meant to be
with God eternally.
And then how did your life look?
If you reallybelieve those things, how does
your life transform?
It thinks like that.
Or being able to talk aboutlove and forgiveness.
And these these aren'teasy things.
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People are like,oh, love, forgiveness.
No, love isthe messiest thing I've
ever been a part of.
So it's hard.
Forgiveness is hard.
So these are hard topics.
Whenever I teach on forgiveness,we have to add extra weeks
because people have so muchto talk about how hard it is
to forgive, how hard it isto ask for forgiveness
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and to feel forgiven.
So these are topicsthat we need to to bring up
in the churchand their their core,
their fundamental,their basic to faith.
And yet, I think we can getcaught up in a lot of
other things.
We can get caught upin social things.
We can get caught upin this first or that first.
And sometimes we need to go backto the basics.
So, that'sthat's one of the things
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I think about.
Another thing is of course,Covenant Eyes
has a very positivekind of message.
It's something we want peopleto look at and listen to.
We my ministryis something positive.
You know, we want to be ableto somehow direct people
to positive and nurturingkinds of things.
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You know, these searchalgorithms that we have
and you know them welland they're they're problematic
for people whoare addictive. You know,
the search algorithm isn't goodor evil on it.
So because all it does is feedyou more of what you ask for
and keep feeding it.
So I never used tolook at cat videos, but then
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I was really stressed.
One day I said, oh, I'mgoing to look at a cat video.
I have a cat, I enjoyed it,I'll watch another one.
Guess what? Now my feed.
I always get cat videosand I always watch them,
so I get more cat videos.
On the other hand,I know of some teens
who decided they wantedto make fun of this concept
of extreme masculinity,so they were pulling up
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videos of that and mocking itand having a good time laughing.
But guess what happened?
The extrememasculine videos kept showing up
in their feeds, and they startedlistening to it,
and they starteddoing these toxic things, right.
So what we want to do isguide people towards
positive things.
It's not always say,don't look at this or that.
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It's what does somethingnurturing
what is something like.
Paul says, what?
What is true, what is noble,what is right, what is lovely?
What is the cat video?
You know, Paul did write that.
But but those kinds of things.
So I think that so to to combineall that together, I think
we need to talk a lot about loveand forgiveness in the church
and outside of the church.
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As we as we have outreach,we want to provide
positive thingsand steer people.
It doesn't always have to bea biblical thing to steering
people towards positive things.
The plus side of life.
I think that's really importantbecause, you know, as
parents are raisingkids in this very tech
saturated world,it becomes a challenge
(21:57):
because you brought up,you know, the algorithm,
you know, whateverthey look at, it's
going to give them more of that.
But also the voicesthat are speaking
into our children's livesin a variety of ways,
whether it's music or moviesor TV or the algorithm setting
you know, cat videos,whatever it is, really has
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a lot of power to influenceour children.
So how do we counteract that?
So as you think about parentsthat might be listening,
what advice do you have for themas they're trying
to navigate technologyand not let that overwhelm
the message that's being givento our children?
We really need to,kind of balance that
in some way, shape or form.
So what advice do you have?
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Yeah, I kind of have abroader advice, but it applies
to the digital world as well.
In my book,Cuteness and Parenting,
I talk about how wewe can't bubble wrap our kids
until they're 18.
In fact, I don't even thinkthat's desirable
because I've seen kids who didget bubble wrapped.
And then when the wrappingcomes off as adults,
they're immediatelysaturated with things
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they've neverencountered before.
And I think, frankly,that's one of the ways at times
the protocols can happenis because suddenly
they have to encounter all this.
So what we really wantultimately, is to build a child
who makes good decisions,even when we're not around.
And to do that, we have to beginallowing them to make decisions
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with guardrails with limitedconsequences for bad decisions,
because they're they're goingto make those.
But if they can learn from themand the consequences
are limited and, you know,bad decisions
lead to good judgment,which lead to good
decisions, right? So, so what wewant to do is how can
what is the message we can givethat is centered around that?
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Well, as an example,there was a time
when somebody got on mefor not homeschooling my kids.
My kids always went topublic school.
We're in a very good publicschool system where I live.
And yet it's impure.
Like, you know, any timeyou get kids together, frankly,
even privateschools, believe me,
from my experience,that they have their impurities
there as well.
So, you know, but sending themoutside of the home.
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And I was feeling alittle guilty.
So I went to my oldest, who was,a senior in high school
at the time, and I asked him,hey, when we sent you off
to middle school,to high school, and this
public setting,what did we tell you?
And he said,you said three things.
Be polite, influence otherspositively, and don't
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let them influenceyou negatively.
I'm like, man,he got the message.
That's that's really good.
That's what I wanted.
Be a light comes from Scripture.
Matthew 5 (24:37):
14-16.
Jesus discusses,you are the light of the world,
and let your light shine.
And when you letyour light shine,
then that glorifies God.
We want to teach our childrenhow to let their lights shine,
how to make good decisions.
We know they're going to makebad decisions from time to time,
but teaching thema good decision making process
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that is focusedon influencing others
and being a light, you know,one thing I also tell my kids
all the time arepeople are watching you.
People are always watching you.
Maybe I learned thatfrom being a small town
preacher's kid because everybodyin town watched me.
But even in the anonymousbig city,
people are watching you.
And the reason is they sometimesare watching for somebody
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to do the right thing.
So let's say that you havea bunch of teens together
that want to watch somethingdigitally that's inappropriate.
It's time to stand up and say,guys, we don't want to do this
right.
Let's let's do something else.
Let's watch this otherthing instead.
And you may get kickedout of the group for that,
but somebody isgoing to follow you,
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maybe not out the doorimmediately.
They may come to you later,but that's attractive.
People will come to youwhen you are doing
the right thing.
I had a friend in high school.
She was a rowdy girl,but she would hang out
with my sister and mebecause she said,
When I'm around you,I don't want to do
all that other stuffthat I get caught up in.
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So that's wherewe want our kids to be.
We want them to be positive,attractive lights.
And I know that's tough.
Not every kid, has it in theminstinctively to be a leader,
but they can be a leadereven at the back of the room
by saying no, by saying yesto certain things.
And people will pick up on that.
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People are watching.
So true.
So much wisdom in that.
Well let's see.
So for all our audiencethat's listening today,
how do they find your ministry,your resources, your podcasts,
your books, your all of that?
Where would they goand find that?
Yeah, sure. Thank you.
Well, first of all, everythingI do can be found
in one way or another throughCecilTaylorMinistries.com.
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And on there you can see pick upmy feed of the latest blogs
and devotions,that sort of thing.
There's a linkto my practical Faith
Academy podcast,which you can also
find on major platformsjust by searching on
practical Faith Academy podcastor Cecil Taylor Ministries.
It'll show up, on my booksand in videos or available
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through my website.
Of course, the books are onmajor online
booksellers as well, but you canfind everything I produce,
whether it's a bookor a Sunday School video series,
throughCecilTaylorMinistries.com.
Now, for the parentswho've been listening,
I have a separatewebsite as well
that links to that one.
It's called UnisonParenting.com,and it is,
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based on my book UnisonParenting
The Comprehensive Guideto Navigating
Christian Parenthoodwith One Voice.
And that book has a lot of greatparenting advice
based on me teachingparenting classes in my church
to 700 families over 15 years,and all the playback
I got on the the researchI was giving them
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and the techniquesI was giving them,
how it played outin their families,
all that informs the book.
And then there'sthis underpinning of
how do you get on the same page,stay on the same page,
and get back on trackwhen you inevitably
get off the same page.
So as I walk througha child's life,
I kind of show also,here's the pitfalls.
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So, there'sa couple of things that,
I'd like to reward people withif they go to my sites.
If you go toCecilTaylorMinistries.com,
I have a free gift if you'llregister for it.
That is a collection of someof my most popular
devotions, essaysand blogs over the last
five years.
(28:31):
And so it'skind of a greatest hits.
And you can kind of catch up onwhat I'm doing.
And there's 31 of them,so you could read them
daily for a month.
And that'll help you alsoget into a rhythm
of of putting faithinto practice each day,
having somethingthat guides you.
So please go there and it'll bein a pop up window or in the
little orange box at the bottomof the page.
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And then, for the parentsor for somebody
who would like to help a parent.
I'm running a sale right nowon UnisonParenting.com,
where the book is availablefor 60% off the price
you'll find on the big sitesonly for $10.
I also throw in sixdifferent bonuses
to sweeten the pot.
So, I really want people tohave the book
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and to connect with me and sowe can cut out the middleman
and have that book for $10and have all kinds of advice.
And I'll tell yousomething, Robin, Karen did,
is worth the price of thebook on its own, especially if
someone out there is teenagers.
I have a tip on how to getyour teenager to talk to you.
And in all the yearsI've taught this tip, no one has
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ever come backand said it didn't work.
In fact, they come back and say,how do you turn it off?
They talk too much now.
Oh my God.
So that alone.
Is it worth ten bucksto know how to get your teenager
to you?
I think probably.
Well, that is absolutelyworth it.
And, you know, I mean,for some of us out there, I'm
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thinking like, baby showeris what a great gift
to give new parents.
You know, to start them offon the right foot
because you are so rightabout being
in unison as parents.
Because if you are,like, unequally yoked,
so to speak, with your decisionmaking and your role is putting,
it can be a disaster as parents.
So I love thatwe'll make sure we put
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links in the show notesfor everybody.
So it's easy and clearhow to find these amazing tools
and resources.
And for $10.
Wow, what an amazing giftyou could give to
people in your life.
So I love that.
Thank you so much, Cecil,for your ministry
and for your workand for your heart
to help Christians grow strongerand find practical ways
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to really walk out their faitheach and every day.
Thank you so much for the workthat you're doing.
Well, thank youfor allowing me on here,
and thank you for the workthat you're doing.
It's necessary in today's world,so thank you.
Well, as we closetoday, to our listeners,
thanks for joining us.
Please, share and like this.
And, pass it on.
And definitelythat's it for today.
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Join us for the next episode ofthe covenant House podcast.
Hey everybody, welcome backto The Covenant Eyes Podcast.
We are so glad to have youjoining us today.
And of coursewe've got Rob back.
He has been on the road.
He's been a road warriorfor the last two weeks.
So it's good to see you.
Rob, how are you?
Yeah, good a little tired, but,conferences are always,
always fun.
So glad to be back.
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Yeah. Awesome.
And for our listenersthat don't know,
and if you go to conferences outand about all across
the country, you are likelyto see Rob Stoddard there.
He attends, I don't even know,like 18, 20 conferences a year
on behalf of Covenant Eyes.
So many conferences.
Something like that.
Yeah, yeah.
So if you're everat a conference and you get
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into the exhibit hall, look forthe Covenant Eyes
booth, you might seeRob Stoddard there.
So with that, though, todaywe are actually going
to be talking to a wonderfulgentleman.
His name is Cecil Taylor.
He's an author, he's a speaker,he's a teacher, and he's really
focused on promotingpractical faith.
And I love thatbecause that's something
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we absolutely need.
You know, how do we actuallyput our faith
into action every day?
You know, whether we'reat the grocery store
or washing the dishes, you know,with our children,
with our husband.
So it just it's a reallygreat conversation, Rob,
and I'm really excitedto dive into that topic.
How about you?
Absolutely.
This and it seems likewe've gotten away from this
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as a church of reallyjust living out our faith day
in and day out.
And so really excitedto talk about this topic today
and how it relates to,you know, the work we do,
because there's definitely some,some pieces in there.
So.
So if we could Cecil,we'll start out,
could you tell usa little bit about your,
your ministry, how how you helppeople live that
(01:50):
practical seven day,life of faith and also really
kind of what inspired you toto start this ministry
and what you're doing?
Yeah.
I was a preacher's kid,and I always was in the church
as an adult.
I taught, adult Sundayschool classes
for decades, workedwith church youth for 30 years.
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So, I was so involved in that.
And then I felt a call togo outside
the bounds of my churchbecause people kept telling me
I could do this Christian stuffon Sundays,
but the rest of the weekit's really hard.
It's so I said, maybe I,I need to
do something about that.
And I eventually felta spirit call to go outside
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the bounds of my churchand form this ministry
to teach Christianshow to live a seven day
practical faith,bringing Sundays into the rest
of their week.
Well, I first startedtrying to do it on the side
along with my day job.
And I started doingvideos and blogs
and various things,but it wasn't going
really very well.
And about 3 or 4 yearsinto doing that part time,
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I got a veryclear message from God
that I needed to go full time,which I did not respond
to instead.
Instead I said,how about if I cut back
my full time work to part timebecause I was
worried about money?
So I went back to part timeand after, a few months,
it was clear that wasn'treally providing much benefit
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to the ministry, after all.
And in prayer,as I was wrangling with
God over this, I heard God say,well, Cecil, how much money do
you really need?
And I said, I guess whateveris in my bank account right now,
that's the right answer.
So I went full timeinto his ministry after that.
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And, God has sustainedand bless the ministry
and I know it was theright decision and that it's
God's will.
I love that, and that's that'sreal life, right?
Like, we often face situationswhere we're confronted with
we know God's calling usto do something
and we're kind ofnegotiating with him.
We think we can kind of like dipour toe in both waters.
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It's right.
It's definitelya real life struggle.
Well, talk to us a little bitabout some of the resources
and, thingsthat you have developed
in the ministryto really help people
kind of put their faithinto action.
Yeah, sure.
So everything I do is aroundseven day practical faith.
I'm not going to goargue theology with people.
It's cross denominationalbecause I figure everybody has
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the same problem.
How do we putfaith into practice?
And it reallylive and walk the walk.
So what I provideis, first of all, some regular
social media content, thingslike devotions, blogs
that appear all throughweekdays on my site and on my,
companion siteon parenting as well.
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And then I also havethe practical Faith
Academy podcast,where I bring people
alongside me to talk abouthow they put faith into practice
in their corner of the world.
And then I also write books andproduce videos, original videos
for Sunday schoolclasses or small groups.
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So whenever I write a book,I also do a small group
video series for a classto study together,
along with participantguides, study guides, that
sort of thing.
So those are popular as well.
You know, for a while I thought,I just wanted to do the videos
and not that, excuse booksbecause I thought people
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didn't read books anymore.
And I was disabusedof that notion by many people,
especially becausewhen you have a video,
it kind of can go, you know,out at the head.
And so havingthe book is stickier
and you can, keep, keep up with,what the thoughts were
and go back and reinforce them.
So, so I try to bevery comprehensive in what I do.
(05:49):
There's a lot of free resourcesthat people can get to.
And then of course,there's the books
and videos for sale.
And I'm a speaker too, as youmentioned earlier.
So I like to go around and speakin churches about my book
topics or anything elsethey wanted to talk about.
Excellent, excellent.
Well, Cecil, as you know,we deal with a lot of people
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who are struggling in life.
Struggling with addictionaround pornography and,
and other screen issues.
Talk to usa little bit about how
having Scripturein our life, day by day,
really can help somebody that'sgoing through these kinds
of struggles.
Yeah, I think first of all,I think of taking the message
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from James that echoeswith the seven day
practical faith idea, which is,James says, when you look
in the mirrorand then you walk away
and forget who you are,then that's the problem.
You're not puttingthe word into practice.
So I think the first thingis to remember
throughout the week,as we reengage with God
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through prayeror through Scripture, or through
simply doing life together,that we want to remember that
who we are and who's we are.
And I think that has that's kindof a broad brush at what you're
talking about, about bringingScripture in.
Maybe there's somemore scripture
we can talk about, but that'sthat's the first thought I have,
is that we need to remember whoand whose we are.
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Like James talks about.
I think that'sreally good wisdom.
I think, it's easyto forget that
in the day to day life.
I know I've had situationslike recently, you know,
driving to churchand someone cuts me off
and I get like aworked up about it and I'm like,
wow, take a step back.
And then, you know, asI'm like getting all huffy
(07:42):
and puffy about it,I turned into the church
parking lot and I'm like, yeah,that was not my best,
you know, momentthere, you know?
And I should havebeen thinking more like,
okay, maybe that personwas in a hurry
to get to their church.
Maybe there was a good reasonthat maybe you didn't see me.
You know, like,I think there's so
many things, like,we have little things like that
that we have to remember.
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You know, how to, like,really live out our faith.
And, like, I thinkthat is beautiful
to just say, you know,remember who you are.
And when you think like that,it changes your perspective
and how you respondto situations.
So talk to us a little bit.
You do a lot of work,and you've had a
ton of experienceworking with families
and children over the years.
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And I think there area lot of parents that listen
to this podcast that certainly,you know, in the day to day
life of a parent, you know,taking kids to soccer practice
or off to baseball or, you know,school activities
or all the things,how do we make sure
that we're reallyputting our faith into practice
in those small momentsthroughout the
day with our kids?
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Right.
I think that we we startby understanding that,
what what goals we have.
All in all,I believe in parents.
I have a book calledUnison Parenting about parents
being aligned and startswith having a proactive plan
of what we're going to be about,what are our core values,
and how do we putthose core values
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into our families.
So it starts with havinga core value, our family,
and a core value.
If we go to church,church is something we do.
It's non-negotiable.
That's that's just what we do.
When you get to be 18 years old,you get to decide
what you get to do.
But you know, when you'rein our household,
you're going to churchon Sunday morning.
That's just the way it is.
And then talking aboutthe small moments, I think that
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there are times when the familyneeds to come together
and do somethinga little more formal.
We used to have family meetingsat times, but, you know,
so much happens when you're justriding in the car
and that kind of thing.
And I think part of that,that plan also is building it in
to the wayyou operate your family.
So let me giveyou an example. In in the idea
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of turning corevalues into practice,
we had somethingcalled a choices chart.
And the choices were all thingsthat started with the letter C,
and they were really, reallybiblically founded
for the most part.
I mean, there were things likechores and classwork
that weren't so muchbiblically founded,
but things likecourtesy and caring
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and going to church, you know,those kinds of things.
So when we're whenever weassign consequences
for getting out of line,we mapped it to what happened
here is you weren'tcaring towards somebody else
or you weren't courteous.
You weren't conforming toyour parents.
You weren't honoring your fatherand mother
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the way that you should.
So we try to tie thingsin biblically and religiously,
as much as we could to the waywe managed our household.
It wasn't the kind of thingwhere my kids would say, yeah,
we were always just talkingabout the Bible
all day, every day.
It wasn't it wasn't like that.
But they understoodvery much our context.
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I think contextis very important.
They understoodwe were talking about
a biblical context,a church context,
a Jesus context in the waywe lived our lives.
So good.
Yeah, it really is.
And it's so importantthat that consistency
that seven daysa week, over and over,
every little opportunityyou get that's that's wonderful.
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Seesaw another area,as you know, Covenant Eyes
is, is dedicatedto the importance
of accountability in those typesof relationships.
And it really gets downto discipleship.
I know in,you know, in your work,
you know, were designedfor community, were designed
to disciple oneanother and encourage
one another.
Tell us a little bitabout how that plays out
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in, in the work you're doing.
I think there'sthree things from that
that I emphasizewhen we get into this
area of, of faithand that is community,
vulnerabilityand trustworthiness.
So with, with community,I really believe in the church.
I know it's got its flaws,but I don't know how people
get through lifewithout a Sunday school class
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to support them.
To be honest,you have to have those
people around you.
Maybe you find thatsomewhere else, but you have
to have people with like mindednot necessarily equal, you know,
totally minds where we all thinkexactly the same thing
because it's it's wonderfulto have that
diversity of opinionto come to you also,
but to have peoplewho are grounded
the same way you are,who have loving hearts
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and are willing to do somethingand you're willing
to do something for them.
So community first, I found bothas a teacher
and as an individual,how important vulnerability is.
You maybe don't come inthe first five minutes
of the conversationbeing vulnerable, but
but as you get to knowsomebody and build a community,
then you can open upand be more vulnerable.
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In my experiences, when you leadwith vulnerability,
it allows other peopleto be vulnerable as well
and know thatyou're a safe place for them
to express themselves.
And then trustworthinessis really built on those things.
Trustworthinessis very attractive.
You know, people want to be ableto trust, to know that they have
a safe place where they canhave an authentic
(13:02):
supporting relationship.
So, we need to your ideaof consistency
again, plays into that.
It's so easy to break trust.
It's so hard to build it.
So a consistent with who we areand how we behave
and how we love othersis very important
in that relationship.
So those are the kindof the three
thoughts I have them.
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So good.
And you you mentioned this,but you know
your family really madegoing to church a priority.
And I think that in some waysthe American culture,
we've let that slipa little bit.
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We haven't made that a priority.
You know, I've seen, you know,where our families prioritize
making sure we get to, you know,cheerleading practice
and baseball practice on time,and we get to all the games,
but then we,oh, we're so exhausted.
We just need a day to, you know,chill out on Sundays
and we don't make goingto church a priority.
I think that's very dangerousas a family unit because it
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I mean, our childrenare watching and it shows
our children whereour priorities lie.
And so I want to talka little bit about why
prioritizing church as a familyreally is valuable
and almost instructionalto our children as they grow.
I tell you, when I was in churchyouth ministry,
I saw this slide.
I was like, we have lost Sundaysas a church there.
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You know, you'll you'll let thesoccer coach tell you where
and how you're supposedto be at when.
And yet, in fact, one thinginteresting is in my church,
we had kind of a pathto discipleship for teens,
and when we put more stuff onthem, right, they had more
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accountability that theythey had more demands
put on them.
And that is a time when I sawfamilies respond to most of what
maybe we're not askingenough of families because we're
trying to be,oh, if you can come,
that's great.
And at the time somebody said,no, you really need
to be here for this.
Then they responded to it.
So but, but I think as a family,I realized that,
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you have to balance some thingsin today's society.
And I would loveto say that every Sunday
you have to be in church.
Well, we tried to dois work out to where,
if at all possible,we were going to be in
church on Sunday.
There were other activities too.
At church, sometimes youhad Wednesday or Sunday night
activities or whatever.
So what we really triedto do is say the church
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is really the centerof our activity.
It's it's where we're going todonate the most.
It's it's both in terms of timeand money.
It's, it's it'swhere we're going
to find ourselvesas a family the most.
And even if yougo into the church and you all
go to your own classes or eventsto come back together
and then talk about it,we always wanted
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to do that each week.
What happened in yourend of the church today?
But but I think it is difficult.
And sometimes you,you just have to say no
to some thingsand say no to some over
scheduling, for example,we had a rule
that you can only playone sport at a time.
I would see kids in three sportsat a time and they just bounce
from one to another.
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They'd be doing their homeworkin the car, you know, in
between practices.
So we said, you have to pick.
You could be in a sport,you can be in
the sport year round,but only one at a time.
And I think that you haveto make decisions like that
in order tosqueeze in church to,
the rest of your life, to saychurch comes first.
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We realize sometimes there'sconflicting schedules,
but we're goingto make up for that in some way.
And church is alwaysgoing to be the focus point.
Yeah.
So important.
So, so key.
Let's continueto talk about the church
a little bit.
One thing we certainly find isthe church can struggle with,
dealing or addressingthis issue of, pornography.
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And, you know, addiction isaround that.
You know, in, in your areaof, of seven day a week.
Faith, what kinds of things canthe church do to really help?
People live out their faith,which, again, will will
help them addresssome of these issues
that they're struggling with?
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Well, I, I a couple of thingscome to mind rather.
Well, one thing is that, we,we have this,
need within our groups,our small groups
to talk about thingslike forgiveness.
What are the issues aroundall this is that people may know
that they're doing wrong.
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They have shame, and they have,addictive characteristics.
And to let them know that thereis, healing that comes
with openness, right?
That comes with vulnerability.
So I think that we can talka lot more about things
like love and forgiveness.
I wrote a book calledLive Like Your Loved that talks
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about the biblical truthsthat you are loved by God,
forgiven by God, sent by God,and meant to be
with God eternally.
And then how did your life look?
If you reallybelieve those things, how does
your life transform?
It thinks like that.
Or being able to talk aboutlove and forgiveness.
And these these aren'teasy things.
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People are like,oh, love, forgiveness.
No, love isthe messiest thing I've
ever been a part of.
So it's hard.
Forgiveness is hard.
So these are hard topics.
Whenever I teach on forgiveness,we have to add extra weeks
because people have so muchto talk about how hard it is
to forgive, how hard it isto ask for forgiveness
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and to feel forgiven.
So these are topicsthat we need to to bring up
in the churchand their their core,
their fundamental,their basic to faith.
And yet, I think we can getcaught up in a lot of
other things.
We can get caught upin social things.
We can get caught upin this first or that first.
And sometimes we need to go backto the basics.
So, that'sthat's one of the things
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I think about.
Another thing is of course,Covenant Eyes
has a very positivekind of message.
It's something we want peopleto look at and listen to.
We my ministryis something positive.
You know, we want to be ableto somehow direct people
to positive and nurturingkinds of things.
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You know, these searchalgorithms that we have
and you know them welland they're they're problematic
for people whoare addictive. You know,
the search algorithm isn't goodor evil on it.
So because all it does is feedyou more of what you ask for
and keep feeding it.
So I never used tolook at cat videos, but then
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I was really stressed.
One day I said, oh, I'mgoing to look at a cat video.
I have a cat, I enjoyed it,I'll watch another one.
Guess what? Now my feed.
I always get cat videosand I always watch them,
so I get more cat videos.
On the other hand,I know of some teens
who decided they wantedto make fun of this concept
of extreme masculinity,so they were pulling up
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videos of that and mocking itand having a good time laughing.
But guess what happened?
The extrememasculine videos kept showing up
in their feeds, and they startedlistening to it,
and they starteddoing these toxic things, right.
So what we want to do isguide people towards
positive things.
It's not always say,don't look at this or that.
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It's what does somethingnurturing
what is something like.
Paul says, what?
What is true, what is noble,what is right, what is lovely?
What is the cat video?
You know, Paul did write that.
But but those kinds of things.
So I think that so to to combineall that together, I think
we need to talk a lot about loveand forgiveness in the church
and outside of the church.
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As we as we have outreach,we want to provide
positive thingsand steer people.
It doesn't always have to bea biblical thing to steering
people towards positive things.
The plus side of life.
I think that's really importantbecause, you know, as
parents are raisingkids in this very tech
saturated world,it becomes a challenge
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because you brought up,you know, the algorithm,
you know, whateverthey look at, it's
going to give them more of that.
But also the voicesthat are speaking
into our children's livesin a variety of ways,
whether it's music or moviesor TV or the algorithm setting
you know, cat videos,whatever it is, really has
(22:17):
a lot of power to influenceour children.
So how do we counteract that?
So as you think about parentsthat might be listening,
what advice do you have for themas they're trying
to navigate technologyand not let that overwhelm
the message that's being givento our children?
We really need to,kind of balance that
in some way, shape or form.
So what advice do you have?
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Yeah, I kind of have abroader advice, but it applies
to the digital world as well.
In my book,Cuteness and Parenting,
I talk about how wewe can't bubble wrap our kids
until they're 18.
In fact, I don't even thinkthat's desirable
because I've seen kids who didget bubble wrapped.
And then when the wrappingcomes off as adults,
they're immediatelysaturated with things
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they've neverencountered before.
And I think, frankly,that's one of the ways at times
the protocols can happenis because suddenly
they have to encounter all this.
So what we really wantultimately, is to build a child
who makes good decisions,even when we're not around.
And to do that, we have to beginallowing them to make decisions
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with guardrails with limitedconsequences for bad decisions,
because they're they're goingto make those.
But if they can learn from themand the consequences
are limited and, you know,bad decisions
lead to good judgment,which lead to good
decisions, right? So, so what wewant to do is how can
what is the message we can givethat is centered around that?
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Well, as an example,there was a time
when somebody got on mefor not homeschooling my kids.
My kids always went topublic school.
We're in a very good publicschool system where I live.
And yet it's impure.
Like, you know, any timeyou get kids together, frankly,
even privateschools, believe me,
from my experience,that they have their impurities
there as well.
So, you know, but sending themoutside of the home.
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And I was feeling alittle guilty.
So I went to my oldest, who was,a senior in high school
at the time, and I asked him,hey, when we sent you off
to middle school,to high school, and this
public setting,what did we tell you?
And he said,you said three things.
Be polite, influence otherspositively, and don't
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let them influenceyou negatively.
I'm like, man,he got the message.
That's that's really good.
That's what I wanted.
Be a light comes from Scripture.
Matthew 5 (24:37):
14-16.
Jesus discusses,you are the light of the world,
and let your light shine.
And when you letyour light shine,
then that glorifies God.
We want to teach our childrenhow to let their lights shine,
how to make good decisions.
We know they're going to makebad decisions from time to time,
but teaching thema good decision making process
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that is focusedon influencing others
and being a light, you know,one thing I also tell my kids
all the time arepeople are watching you.
People are always watching you.
Maybe I learned thatfrom being a small town
preacher's kid because everybodyin town watched me.
But even in the anonymousbig city,
people are watching you.
And the reason is they sometimesare watching for somebody
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to do the right thing.
So let's say that you havea bunch of teens together
that want to watch somethingdigitally that's inappropriate.
It's time to stand up and say,guys, we don't want to do this
right.
Let's let's do something else.
Let's watch this otherthing instead.
And you may get kickedout of the group for that,
but somebody isgoing to follow you,
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maybe not out the doorimmediately.
They may come to you later,but that's attractive.
People will come to youwhen you are doing
the right thing.
I had a friend in high school.
She was a rowdy girl,but she would hang out
with my sister and mebecause she said,
When I'm around you,I don't want to do
all that other stuffthat I get caught up in.
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So that's wherewe want our kids to be.
We want them to be positive,attractive lights.
And I know that's tough.
Not every kid, has it in theminstinctively to be a leader,
but they can be a leadereven at the back of the room
by saying no, by saying yesto certain things.
And people will pick up on that.
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People are watching.
So true.
So much wisdom in that.
Well let's see.
So for all our audiencethat's listening today,
how do they find your ministry,your resources, your podcasts,
your books, your all of that?
Where would they goand find that?
Yeah, sure. Thank you.
Well, first of all, everythingI do can be found
in one way or another throughCecilTaylorMinistries.com.
(26:43):
And on there you can see pick upmy feed of the latest blogs
and devotions,that sort of thing.
There's a linkto my practical Faith
Academy podcast,which you can also
find on major platformsjust by searching on
practical Faith Academy podcastor Cecil Taylor Ministries.
It'll show up, on my booksand in videos or available
(27:04):
through my website.
Of course, the books are onmajor online
booksellers as well, but you canfind everything I produce,
whether it's a bookor a Sunday School video series,
throughCecilTaylorMinistries.com.
Now, for the parentswho've been listening,
I have a separatewebsite as well
that links to that one.
It's called UnisonParenting.com,and it is,
(27:28):
based on my book UnisonParenting
The Comprehensive Guideto Navigating
Christian Parenthoodwith One Voice.
And that book has a lot of greatparenting advice
based on me teachingparenting classes in my church
to 700 families over 15 years,and all the playback
I got on the the researchI was giving them
(27:49):
and the techniquesI was giving them,
how it played outin their families,
all that informs the book.
And then there'sthis underpinning of
how do you get on the same page,stay on the same page,
and get back on trackwhen you inevitably
get off the same page.
So as I walk througha child's life,
I kind of show also,here's the pitfalls.
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So, there'sa couple of things that,
I'd like to reward people withif they go to my sites.
If you go toCecilTaylorMinistries.com,
I have a free gift if you'llregister for it.
That is a collection of someof my most popular
devotions, essaysand blogs over the last
five years.
(28:31):
And so it'skind of a greatest hits.
And you can kind of catch up onwhat I'm doing.
And there's 31 of them,so you could read them
daily for a month.
And that'll help you alsoget into a rhythm
of of putting faithinto practice each day,
having somethingthat guides you.
So please go there and it'll bein a pop up window or in the
little orange box at the bottomof the page.
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And then, for the parentsor for somebody
who would like to help a parent.
I'm running a sale right nowon UnisonParenting.com,
where the book is availablefor 60% off the price
you'll find on the big sitesonly for $10.
I also throw in sixdifferent bonuses
to sweeten the pot.
So, I really want people tohave the book
(29:13):
and to connect with me and sowe can cut out the middleman
and have that book for $10and have all kinds of advice.
And I'll tell yousomething, Robin, Karen did,
is worth the price of thebook on its own, especially if
someone out there is teenagers.
I have a tip on how to getyour teenager to talk to you.
And in all the yearsI've taught this tip, no one has
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ever come backand said it didn't work.
In fact, they come back and say,how do you turn it off?
They talk too much now.
Oh my God.
So that alone.
Is it worth ten bucksto know how to get your teenager
to you?
I think probably.
Well, that is absolutelyworth it.
And, you know, I mean,for some of us out there, I'm
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thinking like, baby showeris what a great gift
to give new parents.
You know, to start them offon the right foot
because you are so rightabout being
in unison as parents.
Because if you are,like, unequally yoked,
so to speak, with your decisionmaking and your role is putting,
it can be a disaster as parents.
So I love thatwe'll make sure we put
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links in the show notesfor everybody.
So it's easy and clearhow to find these amazing tools
and resources.
And for $10.
Wow, what an amazing giftyou could give to
people in your life.
So I love that.
Thank you so much, Cecil,for your ministry
and for your workand for your heart
to help Christians grow strongerand find practical ways
(30:39):
to really walk out their faitheach and every day.
Thank you so much for the workthat you're doing.
Well, thank youfor allowing me on here,
and thank you for the workthat you're doing.
It's necessary in today's world,so thank you.
Well, as we closetoday, to our listeners,
thanks for joining us.
Please, share and like this.
And, pass it on.
And definitelythat's it for today.
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