Australian Survivor - Brains Vs Brawn II Week 7 (w/ Brendan Kacev)

‘Meme Daddy’ Brendan joins Sam on the cringe couch this week to chat Aussie Survivor and all the juicy goss from the Jury Villa. AJ’s playing 3D poker, while Kristin doesn't know what rocks are. The girls in Jury Villa are giving looks and sass and we are living and the jungle rat continues to cause chaos. 

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
This podcast was produced on the land of the
Wurundjeri people of the KulinNation.

(00:24):
Welcome to The Cringe Is Real.
How are you going?

SPEAKER_00 (00:27):
Good, good.
I'm very happy to be here.

SPEAKER_01 (00:30):
I'm so happy to have you here.
I'm a little bit starstruckbecause I've been, you know,
I've been sharing your memes forsome time and then we were both
at the same watch party eventand I had no idea who you were
because you never really posttoo much of yourself.
And then someone was like,that's the meme guy.
And I was like...
what the meme guy's here i waslike more excited you were there

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than like all of the cast

SPEAKER_00 (00:55):
it's it's the weirdest thing like when people
come up to me i had actuallysomeone tap me on the shoulder
and i'm like what how do youknow who i am yeah um it's just
like a very weird and it'shappened the last couple seasons
like i feel like some of thecast as well like we want to
meet the meme guy i'm like iwant to meet the cast like well
it's just a very weird like sortof uh trip i'm i'm having which

(01:16):
i'm enjoying i'm not gonnacomplain yeah i like the ego
stroke as well but

SPEAKER_01 (01:20):
how did you sort of fall into it

SPEAKER_00 (01:22):
so it started off actually uh strategically i i
wanted to apply for survivoryeah i applied for the first
season um i had a zoom auditionuh back then it was zoom um it
was meant to go for half an hourwithin five minutes she just cut
me off and she's like all rightthanks for your time do you have
any questions and i was like youknow well

SPEAKER_01 (01:39):
clearly i'm not the one

SPEAKER_00 (01:42):
yeah clearly yep um so i was like well a i've got to
work on my my riz but b i've gotto stand out like I've got to do
something different I'm sureeveryone came on the show I'm
the biggest fan and I've beenwatching since I was two years
old and yes so how do you feelabout that by the way

SPEAKER_01 (01:59):
casting fans I know it's like a very controversial
topic over on american survivorbecause that show right now is
just like watching people geekout

SPEAKER_00 (02:09):
it's yeah and my mindset's changed when i when i
first heard that there wererecruits i was spewing i had no
idea like some of these playerswere recruits and then you hear
someone like all the athletesyeah for example the olympic
we've kind of cut back on that alittle

SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
bit

SPEAKER_00 (02:23):
yeah bar

SPEAKER_01 (02:23):
morgan

SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
um even like someone like yeah all the afl players
but then they end up actuallysome of them work like sean
hampson for example the wholeyeah the horse he was someone
who as soon as I saw AFL playerI was like ridden him off I hate
him and then I was like actuallyhe's kind of growing on me and
then I was like I want more giveme more Sean like I just loved

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him at the end love Sean

SPEAKER_01 (02:48):
doesn't him and Megan Gale own like a little
like cafe in like Ascot Vale orsomething someone told me that
once and I was like that is socute yeah I'm sure they own a
lot of things yeah yeah yeahthey're like busy they're like
busy but wholesome it's likekind of infuriating

SPEAKER_00 (03:06):
yeah it's like you look at them and they've got
everything you like likesupermodel famous athlete you
just want to hate them oh butyou can't yeah

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
they have like gorgeous children yeah and
they're like not annoying onsocial media

SPEAKER_00 (03:19):
no yeah they are actually lovely I've DM'd both
of them actually because Meganfollows me as well yes Megan
Gale within the fan pagecommunity it's great if a player
likes and shares your stuff butif Megan Gale likes it you've
hit it honey you know you'regood

SPEAKER_01 (03:35):
you've absolutely made it oh how good and um what
about the cast this season arethey into it are they lolling
along with you or some of themupset what's what's the deal

SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
i've had probably the most interactions with them
out of all the cast yeah sousually i find the last couple
of seasons players are veryhesitant to like say anything
because channel 10 tells themyou're not allowed to share this
you're not allowed to talk tothe fans you're not allowed to
do whatever and now i've gotlike i've got my two girls i've
got like everyone like just youknow DMing me.
I'm getting all this gossip, allthis tea, which I might not be

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able to say all this.
Please

SPEAKER_01 (04:09):
don't.
This is not a gossip

SPEAKER_00 (04:10):
pod.

SPEAKER_01 (04:11):
Hang on, when you say your two girls, Logan.
Logan and Karin, obviously.
So much fun.
They are just...
I love this cast so much.
It's the best.
It's...
I can tell why they would beinto your stuff because they're
all really happy to be on TV and

SPEAKER_00 (04:28):
you can tell.
Oh, they love it.
Yeah, they love it.
I mean, it's the same thing withevery season though.
You've got like a lot of hatefrom, and I always feel for
like, especially younger womenon the show, they always get
craps on by the fans.
Yeah, it's true.
But these two especially, notonly are they like entertaining,
but they're just clapping backand they're like, yeah, they're
obviously that resilient.

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So it's, yeah, I'm impressed bythem as well as just being in
love with them.

SPEAKER_01 (04:52):
Yeah, it's so much fun.
And we were talking before alittle bit about Jury Villa,
which you haven't caught up on,but you must.
Because it's like giving, Idon't know if you were ever into
RuPaul's Drag Race, but back inthe day, there was this side
show called Untucked.
And the tagline was, if you'renot watching Untucked, you're

(05:13):
only getting half the story.
And I'm feeling this season,Jury Villa is like, Untouched.
Yeah.
Because there's so much goingdown.
Normally, they finish the gameand everyone's like, oh, yeah,
cool.
Like, woo, it's done.
No, no, no, no, no.
Not Paulie.

SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
No, he's got receipts.

SPEAKER_01 (05:32):
He's like, girl, like, Kristen walks into that
dinner table and it's, like,better than Housewives.
It's so good.
Yeah.
He's, like, raking over thecalls.
It's so awkward, but...
Incredible.

SPEAKER_00 (05:46):
No, this week especially, no one ever
mentioned Jury Villa.
I've had four different peopletell me, you have to watch it.
I've got the night off fromSurvivor this week.
I've got one night off.
I'm going to have to catch upagain.
Thank you,

SPEAKER_01 (05:58):
Ten.
We love that.
Three nights a week.
Seriously, I have no life at themoment.
No, I'm the same.
It's fucked.
I'm looking forward to the endof the season.
But two is manageable.
Yeah.
What did you think of thisweek's episodes?

SPEAKER_00 (06:11):
High level.
So, I mean, very emotional forme to see Logan leave the way
she did.
Not only is she my favourite,not only do I have her on my
wristband, which is a Pilatesinjury.
And we should say

SPEAKER_01 (06:25):
also, you're not normally a wine drinker.
However, we've poured one outfor Logan tonight.
So cheers, girly.
This is for you, Logan.
For Pilates wine mum.
It's not a Shiraz, sorry, as shewas banging on about, but it'll
do.
Yeah, I was so sad to see her goas well.

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But then also now we've goticonic Jury Villa content to
look forward to.

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
I need to get onto that.
But no, just the way she went,it was so like, just, it was
iconic.
It was just, it was so on pointfor her.
Like the amount of like dramainvolved in that tribal and, And
we didn't even get the fullstory.
We got the edited, cut down,watered version.

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I was like, if she was going togo out anyway, that's the way
you want to go out.
You want to have the mostover-the-top, memorable tribal.
I think this is it for theseason.
The most memorable one.

SPEAKER_01 (07:23):
And how do 10 feel about your memes?
Because they do try to maketheir own, which, look, to give
them credit, sometimes they'reall right.
But nine times out of 10,they're like pretty

SPEAKER_00 (07:35):
shit.
I would say maybe 99 times outof 100.
Yeah, I think that's more fair.
So...
I was always like, yeah, neverhad much of a rivalry the last
year.
In fact, hardly ever mentionedthem.
They did, I think like seasonone, season two, have like
someone who loved the banter.
So he would like rip into me,which I loved.

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And then it just went silent.
And then this year, all of asudden, pre-season notification,
Survivor AU started followingyou.
It's a new intern now.
Maybe it was a misclick.
It's happened before.
It's happened before once.
They followed me.
It's JLP.
He's just

SPEAKER_01 (08:13):
like lolling.

SPEAKER_00 (08:14):
Well, the first time it happened, I got the follow
and I was like, oh, okay, don'tfuck this up.
What happened?
I took the screenshot.
An hour later, I checked.
I was like, they're notfollowing me anymore.
And then I was like, oh, that'sdevastating.
Like, why did they do that?

SPEAKER_01 (08:29):
A scandal.

SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
And then this year, they followed me.
So I'm like, hang on.
I've fallen for this before.
You're back.
Let's see what happens let meplay nice we were bffs they were
a bit responsive and then thenthey started coming into my
territory like I'm happy for youto post, I don't know, content
about the show, previews, Idon't know, but memes, that's

(08:52):
me.
That's your jam.
They should really just hire youat this point.

SPEAKER_01 (08:56):
Well, yeah.
But then you wouldn't be able todo anything too fun.
No, I'd be very restricted.
They'd be like, not that.

SPEAKER_00 (09:01):
No, no.
Definitely not some of the stuffI don't even post.

SPEAKER_01 (09:06):
God, it sounds like you guys have this kind of weird
ex-lovers type relationshipwhere you get drunk and then
accidentally re-follow.
Then you're like, shit, they'regoing to see that.

SPEAKER_00 (09:18):
Yeah, well, I think they're the drunk ex because all
of a sudden I'm getting randompeople initially commenting,
liking, and I'm like, well, youdon't even follow me.
You've actively searched meclicking on polls, for example.
That's very weird to do.
If I'm going to stalk my ex andshe's going to post polls on
there, I'm definitely not goingto start answering her poll.

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So what happened with the poll?
This is too good.
I died at your video event.
about this so the poll I put upwas which page posts the best
memes me them and one of theother pages used for Australian
Survivor facts oh yeah thisstuff's good too yeah so he's
more of a frenemy than an enemybut Survivor AU it's sand in the

(10:02):
line yours is

SPEAKER_01 (10:03):
cheeky the facts is like yeah

SPEAKER_00 (10:06):
It's more time, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So anyway, usually if I'mposting the meme, obviously it's
my fans.
I'm going to get...
most of the likes, most of thevotes.
And within a few minutes, Ichecked the polls.
I was like, that's weird.
Why are they on like 12 and I'mon three?
Like within like a minute ortwo, I'm like, huh?
So anyway, I'm like, this issuspicious.

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So I thought, let me just seewho's voting.
Like sometimes like, I don'tknow.
Postal votes.
Yeah.
Sometimes I'll get players likeGeorge will always vote like
against me.
Miles has done a few votesagainst me in my polls.
He's posted a few memes before.
Has he?

SPEAKER_01 (10:44):
Well, he's got merch.

SPEAKER_00 (10:45):
I know.
Oh, I know.
Which is

SPEAKER_01 (10:46):
quite

SPEAKER_00 (10:47):
cute.
Yeah, yeah.
I'd wear it if I was given itto, if you sent me some.
Yeah, I mean, same.

SPEAKER_01 (10:54):
Just saying.

SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
So anyway, I've got these random people who don't
follow me.
answering the poll and answeringfor Survivor.
And I'm like, for Survivor AU.
And I'm like, this is...
Who are these people?
Do I have enemies?
Russian bots.
Maybe, maybe.
Val, I don't know if she voted.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (11:13):
I was there with you with the tinfoil hat.
I was like, this is like

SPEAKER_00 (11:17):
actually a

SPEAKER_01 (11:18):
cyber crime.

SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Yeah, yeah.
It's fraud.
Can you imagine in the upcomingelection if, I don't know,
like...
I'm trying to think who's a shitparty.
All of them.
If all of a sudden all theparties start getting a lot more

SPEAKER_01 (11:34):
votes.
Yeah, totally.
No, I love it.
And I just love that, yeah, inmy mind, Channel 10 were really
upset about it and they needto...
Like, they will do anything tobe considered to have the best
memes.
And we all know, guys, this isnot true.

SPEAKER_00 (11:50):
I don't think it's Channel 10.
I think it's even worse.
It's a company called HelloSocial.

SPEAKER_01 (11:56):
Oh,

SPEAKER_00 (11:56):
okay.
Here we go.
Hello Social.
And that's their job.
They've had the content formonths.
They've got teams.
I do this.
I make it up as I go.
I don't have the benefit of...

SPEAKER_01 (12:09):
It's small business.
Exactly.
It's real content.
from fans by fans we love itexactly

SPEAKER_00 (12:16):
hello social I do it for the people yeah I don't get
paid it's not my job

SPEAKER_01 (12:20):
it's actually crazy though like yeah social media
today compared to I don't knoweven five years ago it's just
such a different landscape it'syeah the sponsorships the
everything I know it's like I'mnot having as much fun as I used
to on there so I definitelyenjoy accounts like yours where
I'm like oh this is there's nomotive here except for just like

(12:43):
having a bit of fun.

SPEAKER_00 (12:43):
Do you know what I mean?
That's something I've alwayssaid.
If I start getting paid to dothis, I start to start listening
to what my employer is tellingme to do.
It's like

SPEAKER_01 (12:54):
everyone keeps telling me I should go on
Survivor and I'm like, if I dothat, I can't fucking talk shit

SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
about it.
Maybe you'd have to go like, Idon't know, wear a mask.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
All right.
Should we get into this week'sepisodes?
Yeah.
Episode 19 was called The MagicNumber.
And we start with AJ, who'stelling us, he loves to tell us
how good he is, but he starts bytelling us that he's so good
that now he's not even makinghis own moves.

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He's making moves through otherpeople.
So Logan's very happy claiminglast night's vote was her idea.
And AJ's like, great, love that.
It's all yours.
My hands are clean.
How do you feel about AJ?

SPEAKER_00 (13:43):
Well, I like AJ.
I used to play a lot of pokerand I've always been
disappointed on US orAustralian.
Whenever there's a survivorpoker player, they're always
just shit.

SPEAKER_01 (13:55):
Who else has there been?
I know George plays poker, butis that more of a post-survivor
thing?
No, no.

SPEAKER_00 (14:01):
He always did.
Who else?
There was a guy in, what wasthat season with like Tarzan and
Tessa?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was like vote out numberthree.
That's right.
There's JRB from the USSurvivor.
Oh, there's heaps one of theworst social players like poker
is a social game yeah as much asit's a strategy game sure so

(14:23):
whenever these like players comeout it's like why don't you have
any personal skills yeah itdoesn't make sense and AJ's
somehow not only acted like alunatic throughout the season
yeah but he's still there

SPEAKER_01 (14:34):
that's what I'm baffled honestly watching it I'm
like

SPEAKER_00 (14:37):
how is he there yeah and I don't get the feeling he's
being there like kept as a goatbecause that's no you get rid of
that shit when he's holdinghostages 10 episodes ago

SPEAKER_01 (14:48):
yeah no he's legitimately like doing the
thing but I think his strategyis just like cause a bit of
chaos and like clean up the messafterwards and then like claim
that as well it's just I don'tknow he just needs to be seen to
be leading but then now he'stelling us he's happy for other
people to kind of stick theirnecks out

SPEAKER_00 (15:09):
which to me is also smart play because that's
something he can then claim atthe end true but people aren't
going to say oh hang on IfLogan, like this example that
you're saying, if Logan wants totake responsibility, cool, she's
the target.
Yeah.
Go for it.
Go for your life.
And then he can then later onexplain how, well, actually.

SPEAKER_01 (15:26):
Yeah.
Oh, if he gets to the end, hisfinal tribal speech is going to
be.
epic so if i was there with himi would not let that happen no i
would try really hard because heyou know he's gonna talk some
great

SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
yeah like he's a very good yeah um i mean except
for that bit with kate on thechat gpt

SPEAKER_01 (15:46):
which we get more of this week i couldn't believe it
he also i can't remember if itwas this week or last week but
he tells us he's like gonna winhe's like oh well like i figured
out the math and like there's noway i can't win now and i was
like oh okay

SPEAKER_00 (16:00):
You're going to

SPEAKER_01 (16:01):
say that on camera?

SPEAKER_00 (16:02):
Sure.
Do you think producers get themto say that sort of stuff?
100%.
So they can then say, all right,this episode is your downfall
episode.

SPEAKER_01 (16:12):
But then the fact that they've used it, but he's
still in, I'm like, is hefucking winning?

SPEAKER_00 (16:16):
He got his way, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (16:17):
That's why I feel like him or Miles

SPEAKER_00 (16:21):
are winning this season.
At this point, if I get a MilesAJ final too, that's...
That would

SPEAKER_01 (16:27):
be really fun too.
I'd like to watch that.
Do you know what I mean?
In the morning, Kristen explainsherself to AJ and Kaelin.
She's kind of got a tail betweenher legs a bit.
She's like, oh, guys, yeah.
Ooh, sorry about that.
And to her face, they're like,yeah, cool, whatever.
We're fine.

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But then they're not reallythrilled.
And they're kind of done withKristen.

SPEAKER_00 (16:51):
Yeah.
I get the feeling, and maybethis is confirmed in the jury,
that she's not a super fan.

SPEAKER_01 (16:57):
No, yes, it is confirmed in the jury because
she walks in and she's like,

SPEAKER_00 (17:00):
I don't even know what rocks are.
Yep.
That's what I was getting at.
And

SPEAKER_01 (17:03):
Laura's like, excuse me.

SPEAKER_00 (17:05):
so good well see that's part of me ages ago if
that was brendan the super fanor meme daddy the super fan i
would be spewing and hatingkristin but i've developed i've
understood like survivor au isnot a game bot it's it's about
the characters yeah and she wasa great character she was the
loving motherly yeah um sheclearly had such a good social

(17:28):
game that she was able to hold apublic idol for how many votes
before miles stole it probablycould have gone for longer yeah

SPEAKER_01 (17:35):
and she She tells a great mum joke about Chuck
Norris.

SPEAKER_00 (17:38):
She's got great references too.
So yeah, she's an innocent,sweet lady.
Playing a great social game,whether intentional or not.
But yeah, she tried to pull acouple moves.

SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
She's an archetype we have every season, I think,
on Australian side.
The kind of mumsy type.
And every season, they're notusually the one I'm into.
And this season's no differentfor me with Kristen.
But I do think she...
She actually did try a few timesto stir some shit.

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But it kind of felt too late.
Kind of like Caroline last year.
She left too late.
Yeah, she waited too late andthen was like, oh, now I'm going
to do all this stuff.
And I was

SPEAKER_00 (18:23):
like, okay.
Yeah, you had 47 days.

SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
So, yeah, again, she's a lovely person.
Seems like a great social game.
Yeah.
would probably have not won,especially given you've got on
the jury, you've got Karen,Logan, was Paulie a super fan?
I can't remember.
I don't

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
know.
I think Paulie's like a superfan of himself.

SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yep.
as am

SPEAKER_01 (18:50):
i i think bully's in it for the good times

SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
yeah of course yeah but if you've got so many super
fans on the jury true it'sgenerally i mean there will be a
bit of bias against anyone who'snot a super fan it's like this
yeah camaraderie thing that youhave with fellow super fans and
yeah true and and we all knowhow the weirdos that go to the
those parties i would vote forthem at the final two if we

SPEAKER_01 (19:10):
true true

SPEAKER_00 (19:11):
exactly uh

SPEAKER_01 (19:13):
miles welcomes zara to the bottom club which i
thought was quite cute yep yeahi think Miles has a way they
tried to like edit him in thisway in the first half of the
game where they're like he'sannoying and I wasn't buying
that I'm like yeah he's likechatty but I don't know I find
him so endearing I feel like heactually like tries to bring

(19:34):
people in he's so excited to bethere and he wants to make
everyone else excited

SPEAKER_00 (19:38):
I think it's his over like zealousness about
being there that comes out andannoys people.

SPEAKER_01 (19:44):
Yeah, I think so too.
So

SPEAKER_00 (19:45):
again, he seems like, yeah, great guy, but we're
also getting snippets.
And that's the problem withlike, as much as I'm talking up
Kristen saying she might've beenthe nicest, she could have been
the biggest bitch behind theedit.
We don't know that for certain.
But yeah, with Miles, I get thefeeling that, yeah, he probably
was so excited to be there.
And because I think he's one ofthe younger ones, I don't think
he had that like, I don't know,that subtlety or that like,

(20:08):
awareness just to I don't knowtone it down a bit so I can see
why he's constantly at thebottom even though he comes up
with all these crazyover-the-top moves that somehow
work all the time yeah sodefinitely it actually reminds a
bit of George in the way theyplay

SPEAKER_01 (20:25):
yep I think George and maybe he like figured this
out because he's played multipletimes but I think George is like
he's like a producer of the showyeah in a way Whereas I think
Miles is like excited to bethere.
That's the difference.
But I think if Miles playsagain,

SPEAKER_00 (20:45):
we'll

SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
see him be more King George vibes.
Yeah, so we get this rewardchallenge, which was balancing
on some floating thing on thewater.
And you win.
And night on an Ikea bed.
What a treat.
I love that they are doublingdown with this sponsorship.

(21:07):
Like, if you didn't like theprevious Ikea reward, well, get
ready.
They're back.
And my favourite part wasKristen later on trying to
pronounce the names of thepillows.
It was like mum in Ikea walkingaround being like, oh, it's the
Flurban.
I was like, oh,

SPEAKER_00 (21:27):
this is so good.
And tried to just play it offcasually.
I was like, I know what I'mtalking like.
They left it in.
I was like,

SPEAKER_01 (21:32):
didn't someone from Ikea watch that and be like,

SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
maybe

SPEAKER_01 (21:36):
not.
The bit where she like butchersthe name of the pillow.
So good.
Anyway, AJ's out right away.
He's like, so not here for thechallenges, and I love it.
He does not give a fuck aboutthe challenges.

SPEAKER_00 (21:50):
I don't know.
I reckon maybe he's just thatshit at some point.
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 (21:56):
In my mind, he is wanting to do the opposite of,
like, Caelan and, like, not looklike he's threatening in that
way.
But then I reckon when it gets,like, the last one, all of a
sudden he's going to, like, try100%.

SPEAKER_00 (22:10):
Well, maybe.
Maybe.
it's a very long game to play.
True.
Uh, but I think it's also the,all the endurance stuff.
I just think I, I mean, he's gotmental endurance, like as a
poker player, but that doesn'ttranslate to, can I hold myself
in a pole?
Can I balance for, I don't knowwhat it was half an hour on the
water.
Um, I think it's like, yep, nottoo hard.

(22:30):
I'm not going to win.
I just, yeah, give up.
I'm not interested sort ofthing.
But if there's a challenge thatsuits him, I think he'd destroy
it.
Like if there's a, I don't know,some sort of poker game, some
sort of luck based probabilitiesgame.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_01 (22:43):
yeah.
I do love that every timethere's a poll-based challenge,
everyone's like, hey, Miles,hey, get on the poll.
So good.
So Kristen wins this one andtakes Morgan and Logan on the
reward.
But back at camp, Zara is stokedthat she's not on the reward

(23:03):
because she gets an opportunityto do some strat chat with AJ

SPEAKER_00 (23:06):
and Miles.
Zara did say multiple times shedoesn't need it.

SPEAKER_01 (23:10):
She doesn't need it.
Doesn't care.
Hates

SPEAKER_00 (23:12):
Ikea, famously.
Hates the flugan.
The flugan, not

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
for her.
She preferred twigs andbranches.
So we're kind of back to thegraduates, which I was like,
could this be an actual alliancethis season that actually sticks
together for more than twoseasons?
seconds what did you think

SPEAKER_00 (23:32):
I've been just on that note I've been loving it
like from a understanding whatthe fuck is happening no idea oh
try

SPEAKER_01 (23:40):
recapping this each week I'm like who the fuck is
voting with who now like I haveno idea

SPEAKER_00 (23:44):
what's going on as soon as you said graduates the
only reason I know it is becauseof that channel 10 post with
them all wearing littlegraduation caps real original
guys I mean I didn't think of itbut also because I was I had my
head in my phone, I don't know,probably making duck memes about
Karen at that point.

SPEAKER_01 (24:03):
It's such an, just back to the meme rivalry, it's
such an unfair advantage becauseyou're literally watching it
when it comes out.
They have this content pipelinelike ready to go for like

SPEAKER_00 (24:13):
months.
I've had people tell me, oh,it's so obvious.
You watched the show before.
I'm like, how?
Nah, bitch.
I'm just quick.
Sometimes, when I'm...
I'm the

SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
same.
I'm not getting screeners.
I'm fucking doing this

SPEAKER_00 (24:26):
after it comes out.
Yeah, we don't have insiderinfo.
We just, I don't know, maybewe're just smarter than
everyone.

SPEAKER_01 (24:32):
Maybe.

SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
And better looking.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 (24:36):
And modest.
AJ says he can't trust Kristenanymore after her little
backstab of the Berriesalliance.
And then Miles finds his fourthidol...
Which is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (24:51):
I know.
Hey, Miles, is that an idol inyour pants?
Or are you just happy to see me?

SPEAKER_01 (24:55):
Exactly.
He tells us it's an AustralianSurvivor record.

SPEAKER_00 (24:59):
I think it is.
Which I'm like, okay.
I think it could, well, yeah, Ithink it is.
Four is a lot.
But does that include the one hestole?

SPEAKER_01 (25:07):
Yeah, probably.
Yeah,

SPEAKER_00 (25:09):
it must have been.
He's played three, and he's,yeah.
Yeah, so this

SPEAKER_01 (25:13):
must be, yeah, that's right, because he
stole...
Kristen's one.
Her, like, public one from thatchaos challenge where they just
peppered idols around.
I actually love that.
Ah, that was great.
He tells AJ about it, who isexcited.
So, tells Miles he's excited,but then is secretly...
not that thrilled um because hereminds us that miles has played

(25:39):
the last three correctly so it'slike he's it's like a
probability thing right he'slike this is dangerous but if
he's on your side and youconvince him to like get rid of
it quickly it could be good idon't

SPEAKER_00 (25:55):
know well Firstly, when it comes to that, arguably,
Miles played one of themcorrectly because AJ told him,
we're all voting for you.
When they had the Baron bountysplit.
Don't remind me.
Paulie was loving life that day.

SPEAKER_01 (26:12):
Oh, that was so good.
Just Paulie's miserable day.

SPEAKER_00 (26:16):
It's like, if you want to make him the main
character, the show is just likehow his sanity devolves over a
few weeks.
Paulie is

SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
always He's the main character at Jury Villa.
He's the main character of thispodcast.
Yes, still.
And you're gone, Paul, and westill love you.
Oh, my God.
On the reward, Logan is veryexcited to debrief with the
girlies and have a shower.
But Kristen, yeah, continues tomurder the names of Swedish

(26:51):
pillows.
Then we get some fancy flashbackediting and we see AJ planting
the seeds.
How dramatic.
I was like, ooh.
With Miles, Zara and Kalenagainst Logan.
He's like, she's the biggestthreat.
And I was like, excuse me, AJ,get her name out of your mouth,
young man.
I

SPEAKER_00 (27:10):
was so mortified.
No, that to me was when I...
I think, yeah, as much as Irespect AJ as a player and as a
contestant, as a character, ifyou're going after one of my
girls, one of my favorites, oneof my meme daughters.
Sorry, mate, I'm cutting youout.

SPEAKER_01 (27:29):
No, no, keep going.

SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
No, I'm cutting him out.

SPEAKER_01 (27:32):
Oh, great.
Sorry, I thought you meant me.
Yes, I agree.
Because I'm kind of here for himwhen he's doing his silly
antics.
But then, yeah.
When my favourites are up forgrabs, I'm like, no, no, no.
We get this new kind of immunitychallenge where it started off
in teams and then becameindividual later on, which I

(27:55):
actually kind of loved.
Going through was Miles, Kate,Kaylin and Kristen.
Did AJ throw this?

SPEAKER_00 (28:05):
No, he...
No?
I just feel like

SPEAKER_01 (28:07):
every time a challenge is involved, AJ's
throwing it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:12):
No, I think he...
I mean, at this point, there'sno incentive for him to throw
it.
But

SPEAKER_01 (28:16):
if you're in a group with someone that you...
Because he was in a group withLogan.
Yeah.
So I think he was like, I don'twant her getting through.

SPEAKER_00 (28:25):
Maybe we need the tinfoil.

SPEAKER_01 (28:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:28):
I've got a fresh roll.
That's a good point.
No, I

SPEAKER_01 (28:33):
just...
I don't know.
Something about him inChallengers, I'm like...
because he's always trying togame every like micro part of
the whole experience.

SPEAKER_00 (28:41):
That would be me.
Yeah.
Like I love the, like forSurvivor, I love the fact, and
this I do with kind of anythingI'm in a remotely competitive
setting.
If I can find some sort of weirdloophole or some sort of
advantage, I'm going to take it.
I'm not going to like hold backand be like, oh, that's
technically not fair or theydon't know about this.
It's like, no, bitch, like it'smine.

(29:01):
I'll go for it.
So that could have been astrategy.
He could have thought, I'm notgoing to win the challenge if we
get to the end.
You could have blown it, yeah?

SPEAKER_01 (29:09):
My strategy would just be flirting with the
producers.
I'd just be like, love that top.
Yeah.
And then they'd be like, hey, doyou want to just like come for a
walk over here and look behindthis tree?
And I'd be like, oh my God.

SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
That's an idol.
I would probably be like, what?
What do you mean?
I don't want to go for a walkthere.
That's weird.
Just behind the well.
I'm not into that.

SPEAKER_01 (29:34):
So, the bloody golden retriever slash sheepdog
slash I'd have forgotten whatdog breed he is this week.
Yeah.
He wins once again.
And this was like, I've beenwarning him every week, girl,
you got to like chill with thewins.

SPEAKER_00 (29:50):
I feel so indifferent to him, which makes
me not like him.
Yeah.
I'm not feeling indifferent,but...

SPEAKER_01 (29:56):
Fair enough.
I mean, I just enjoyed lookingat him.
Yeah, I think we all do.
But besides that, it's like...
Yeah, I'm not getting much.
Like,

SPEAKER_00 (30:06):
yeah, he doesn't need to be there.
No.
He's...
I mean, who doesn't like seeingrecords being broken?
If he wins one more immunity,great.
We can say we witnessed therecord.
But every conversation aboutstrategy and voting, it's always
been him being like, oh, I don'tknow what to say.
I'm not allowed to do anything.

(30:26):
AJ told me this.
I feel like he has no agency.
And my theory is that he's beingbuilt as like the goat for the
final two.
He's probably someone that youwant to take.

SPEAKER_01 (30:36):
Yeah.
Oh, 100%.
Because you get him to the endand then you go, oh this dummy
like yeah won some challengesbut didn't didn't talk strap for
one minute he's like awkwardwhen they're talking strap yeah
and sometimes and he's evenblown up well not blown up but
like he's like fumbled plansbefore where they're all trying
to be he's like oh but aren't wedoing this and they're all like

(30:58):
Caelan

SPEAKER_00 (30:58):
And the one thing which infuriated me was when he
told AJ about Logan's Idol.
That's right.
Emotionally, I was like, howdare you?
That's not cool.
That happened when we

SPEAKER_01 (31:09):
were at that watch party.

SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
I was distraught.
But then also it's like...
why did what was his strategy togo tell aj so then aj can then
tell him what to do movingforward it's like yeah i don't
know i would have thought likeyou've got this info use it to
your advantage not i don't knowwhat to do so i'll tell aj
that's that's the vibe i wasgetting i could be wrong and

(31:31):
again he seems like on hissocials like a great person but
as a player i'm just just notlike there's nothing yeah and i
think he's very much goatmaterial at this point

SPEAKER_01 (31:41):
Oh, yeah, totally.
I would actually kind of love tosee that.
Like, yeah, I'd love his finaltribal speech, which I know we
got like a sneak preview.
But like him just being like,oh, yeah, hey, guys.
Yeah, love catching fish.
Yeah.
Winning challenges.
Everyone's like, oh.
but then he wouldn't get asingle

SPEAKER_00 (31:59):
vote but if you look at the jury I don't think they
appreciate no they would hate ithe could win all every challenge
until the end I don't thinkthat's going to get any votes
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (32:08):
Kyron and Paul Lee and Laura don't give a shit
about

SPEAKER_00 (32:11):
that yeah so and that could be I don't think
that's necessarily even the onlyway he's going to get to the end
but if he does yeah like inprevious seasons there would
have been players on the benchon the bench on the jury villa
yeah who yeah would have said noI think you put your body on the
line I appreciate that.

(32:31):
Clutch player, whatever you wantto say, we'll give you the vote.
But this season, I just don'tsee anyone thinking, that was a
great way to get to the end.
You deserve it.

SPEAKER_01 (32:41):
Well, back at camp, Kaylin lies to Kristen and says
that he doesn't know what theplan is.
I'm like, okay.
And then she gets quiteactivated and comes up with a
decoy plan.
with logan that it's a katemorgan split but they're
actually interested in doingzara i was like right uh and

(33:04):
then with no one wanting tobudge it looks like it's going
to be a stalemate.
And this was like, they'd kindof tease this in the promos and
stuff.
So we kind of knew something was

SPEAKER_00 (33:14):
going to happen.
It was a very Suze Big move.

SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
It was, oh my God, this is so Suze Big move.
Cause I was like, oh my God,craziest travel ever.
Can't wait.
And then it's like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (33:25):
Cause think of like rock draws, the last rock,
firstly, never an Australiansurvivor.
Yeah.
I was so ready for it.
And the last one in, in Americanone was, I don't know what, 10
years ago, it feels, I don'tknow.
Yeah.
Let's

SPEAKER_01 (33:36):
be honest, AJ and Miles were just wanting to claim
that as the nerds that they are.
And I love that for them.
Yeah.
And I'm really mad we didn't getit.
But also I'm like, calm down,boys.

SPEAKER_00 (33:48):
Well, they knew as well.
So you had...
In their alliance, Kaylin wasimmune and Zara was immune at
the rock draw.
And the other side was justLogan was immune.
So you had two 18 miles and youhad three of the girls.
So if you want to playprobabilities, odds are it's
going to be one from thatalliance.
So I think that's probably whatwas not really shown.

(34:09):
Yeah.
And that's why I think they wereso bravado about it because they
knew, well, we are in a highprobability.
Still have a high probability.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (34:16):
I mean, but yeah, they wouldn't have loved it if
they...
went home but at the same timeyou know it's still i think in
their minds they're like if wedo go home on this one of us
does go home on this that'ssetting you up for yeah playing
again do you know what i mean asif you're not going to get
invited back oh yeah thathappens to you yeah

SPEAKER_00 (34:37):
And also, I guess, AJ would know from, I guess, a
poker probability perspective.
It's like, you make the rightmove, you got unlucky.
That was kind of, I think, whathis mindset might have been.
But yeah, definitely, it wasbuilt up.
It was going to happen.
And then I was actually excited.
I'm like, oh, Logan's safe.
Like, she's not going.
And then I was like, no, no, no.

(34:57):
And then slowly, slowly.
Then heartbroken.

SPEAKER_01 (35:01):
I know.
Before that, though, Karen makesher first sexy jury entrance,
which I was like, snaps, diva.
All three continue to stun intheir looks.
Best part of the episode.
Pauly's face entering each time.
It's like they're equal partssexy and pissed off.
I'm so into it.

SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
I love that.
It's like, yeah, are you tryingto be like hot and attractive?
Yeah.
Or are you trying to be likethis angry bitch here?

SPEAKER_01 (35:25):
They're the saltiest.
jury of all time and i am herefor it and the

SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
guys there are they're so excited like they're
like it makes it so weird i'mlike it's

SPEAKER_01 (35:41):
just so funny as well the whiplash of like
watching them roll around in thedirt for like 40 days and then
cut to them with like full glamhair and makeup jewelry clean

SPEAKER_00 (35:51):
clothes so good over the top ah i love it It's the
main stage of

SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
RuPaul's Drag Race at this

SPEAKER_00 (35:59):
point.
Well, I've been saying that thisseason, it's like they've been
trying to like massify it.
Maybe they've been trying tolike drag race it a bit as well.

SPEAKER_01 (36:07):
Maybe.
Yeah.
Who knows?
All these shows do roll into onewhen you're watching them all
simultaneously like I am.
Oh my God.
JLP asks the guys if they havethe full picture or if anyone's
got the full picture.
And I was kind of like...
Well, I think for the first timein a long time, most of these

(36:28):
people actually do have the fullpicture.
Like, we haven't had a hugeamount of blindsides compared to
normal seasons, don't you think?

SPEAKER_00 (36:36):
I'm trying to think what's...

SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
I don't know.
I just feel like normallythere's like two kind of main
alliances and then there's likeflip-flopping between and the
people that do that really pisssomeone off.
But this season, it's more likethere's like these little...
random bits floating

SPEAKER_00 (36:54):
around.
Well, that's what I'm loving.
And JLP also made a comment thatwhenever there's a big move, the
deck reshuffles.
It feels like the deckreshuffles regardless.
Yeah, yeah.
There's nothing hard andconcrete.

SPEAKER_01 (37:05):
True.
They're good at, yeah, theydon't hold like big grudges.
But then, I don't know, JuryVilla is now telling me that
they do hold grudges when it'snot seeing them on the show.
Oh, man.

SPEAKER_00 (37:15):
Oh, my God.
That's the sort of tea I love.

SPEAKER_01 (37:18):
It's, yeah, so good.
Yeah, so they vote,unfortunately, Unfortunately,
it's the 4-4 tie that we werekind of dreading.
And then upon the re-vote, I dolove during the votes, Zara
writes down Logan's name and shesays, this is for taking out my
ride or die bestie.
And then Logan writes downZara's name and goes, I really
hope this sends you home.

(37:39):
I was like, fight, fight, fight.
And AJ's like, I really hope wego to rocks.
And no one gets what they want.
Which means they have fiveminutes to discuss who should go
between Logan and Zara.
Otherwise, they become safe andit's a Russian roulette for the
others who go.
Which anyone that's watched theshow for a million years like us

(38:03):
knows.
However, Kristen, Morgan andKate thought that it was like a
fire making challenge.
Yeah.
Apparently.
Yeah.
Yeah.
what

SPEAKER_00 (38:17):
you get the rules like when you're in like a few
days before i think they're inlockdown in a hotel room like
but

SPEAKER_01 (38:23):
even wouldn't you just like ask someone on the day
yeah i don't

SPEAKER_00 (38:27):
know or

SPEAKER_01 (38:28):
kind of important

SPEAKER_00 (38:29):
yeah um so that makes me think as well if they
didn't know i was going to rockslike and then when they found
out like Did that sway theirdecision?
Like would they have just notgone with the plan?
I

SPEAKER_01 (38:44):
think you could see it happening in real time, I
think.
I think Morgan in particular waslike freaking, because I didn't
realize I was at risk.
I thought it was still going tobe between...
Zara and Logan, maybe that'swhat she thought.
Yeah.
I don't think she realized that,yeah, it actually reverses the
kind of scales.

SPEAKER_00 (39:04):
So then I wonder if Logan was ever going to be safe
in that case.
Yeah.
I do love it.
Yeah.
If they were informed and Imean, they kind of knew what
they were doing on the show thatthey're on.
Yeah.
Maybe they wouldn't have justgone with the plans to begin
with.
They would just thought, nah,I'm not risking myself.
True.

SPEAKER_01 (39:19):
I don't think they would have.
You're right.
I don't think they would be intoa risk that big because they've
been playing it so safe.
To date.
Allegedly.
Like, exactly.
I do love Miles and AJ want togo to rocks because they are the
self-proclaimed biggestpsychopaths on the tribe.
We're the biggest psychopaths.
I was like, I love this.

(39:41):
Self-aware queen.
And anyway, Miles pitches whyLogan is a threat.
And unfortunately, yeah, it justkind of turns to this unanimous
decision.
And Logan...
doesn't admit defeat butgracefully sort of what's going
to happen.
So I think there was nothing shecould have done.

(40:01):
The writing was on the wall, but

SPEAKER_00 (40:05):
we hate.
Celine Dion.
Yeah.
I was actually, I don't knowwhen I last felt that watching
an episode of Survivor.
And I was just, I was like, no,no, no.
Like in denial, I'm like, it'sgoing to be a non-elimination
episode.
Like everything I could thinkof, I was like, it has to, it
can't, this isn't right.
It's not happening.

(40:26):
And I was so distraught And thenI appreciated it.
Then I was like, I love this formy girl.
Like, I love that she got votedout in this iconic way.
Yeah.
Do

SPEAKER_01 (40:35):
you want me to talk about

SPEAKER_00 (40:35):
that?
Yes, please.

SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
We're just refilling our glasses, you know.
Yeah, it was, you're right.
I think she really got a goodending because it's like, yeah,
it was graceful.
She was like, okay, this iswhat's happening.
See ya.
She wasn't like kicking andscreaming.
No.
I don't know.
I was into it.

SPEAKER_00 (40:56):
I loved it.
She's a classy gal.
Yeah.
Loved it.
And now her and Cara and my twofavorites can...
I want to see the jury

SPEAKER_01 (41:05):
villa stuff.
Yeah.
Well, that's...
In my notes, I've got the juryis now stacked with my faves.
Episode 20 was called The ReaperIs Coming...
Miles is feeling himself, eventhough he's bummed that they
didn't get to go to rocks.
But, yeah, he's such a littleshowman, isn't he?

(41:28):
He's like, I can do all thethings.
He says he has a final threeplan with AJ and Kaylin.
So, Zara would be at four fromthe so-called graduates.
Kristen knows she's pissed offher lights, but...
is good at what she refers to asdusting herself off and trying

(41:48):
again.
And I'm just glad that shedidn't make a liar joke because
I was like, we don't need herbutchering references.
I feel like she fought thattemptation quite hard.
She pivots, though, to Zara allof a sudden and she starts
sucking up to Zara.
She's like, I mean, you know, wedon't just want to get knifed by

(42:11):
the boys, do we?
And then we'll start turning...
Seeds have been planted withZara.
What did you think about this

SPEAKER_00 (42:19):
desperate move?
Straight away, I was like, no,that's not working.
Yeah.
Zara.
Oh, you

SPEAKER_01 (42:24):
could tell Zara wasn't going to do it.

SPEAKER_00 (42:25):
Yeah.
I can read Zara beyond her.
Really?
Beyond her resting bitch face, Ican tell she was thinking at
that point, if I jump ship toKristen, I'm with Kristen on a
newly formed weird alliance thatI don't really know much about.
with two girls who are notthey're inseparable yeah um it

(42:46):
would be it's then you'rebasically saying i'm i'm
volunteering to be on the bottomwhereas with the others at least
she might have a bit more agencyor she might think she has a bit
more agency so yeah she's notnot flipping um i i don't know
what else kristen could havedone because kaylin I don't
think he's approachable.
I think he's on AJ's leash forsure.

SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
That's really good.
See, I don't know.
Maybe I'm just not paying thatmuch attention to Zara.
I'm not, like, vibing with heras a character, to be honest.
She kind of, like...
annoyed me in the earlier halfof the season where she was
quite bossy but in not like afun way i don't know it's the

(43:30):
pta energy for me so i don'tmaybe i'm just not paying
attention but i thought that andi i don't know look he was kind
of hoping that she was gonnajump on with this even though
i'm not here for kristin eitheri just like it when people
disrupt the main narrative likewe all love when that happens
right um but

SPEAKER_00 (43:49):
yeah i was laughing before when you're saying she's
bossy And she's this.
And I was like, when I messagedZara, I was like, you remind me
of my wife.
Did you actually say that?
I was like, it's amazing.
Like a stonewall, like approach,like lawyer vibes.

(44:09):
And I'm like, like, like theboss, not bossy.
The actual boss.

SPEAKER_01 (44:15):
Well, yeah, that's, I think that's what I'm trying
to say is, yeah, I'm terrifiedof Zara.

SPEAKER_00 (44:19):
So I actually think if I was on the island with her
and I think if I would haveclued in on her personality, I
think I could have been tightwith Zara.
But yeah, as soon as thatconversation, I was like, it
makes almost no sense for Zarato flip.
Kristen's also like, sherealizes she's in a shitty
situation because she's in athree with two who are

(44:41):
inseparable.
The only saving grace forKristen is she's probably not
the next target.
Yeah.
It would have to be breaking upKate and Morgan.
Yeah.
How has that not happened?
I don't get it.
That's crazy to me.
Like, I understand for a certainpoint, but we're at now, like...

SPEAKER_01 (45:00):
Is that more goat vibes?
Like, just they're not causingissues for anyone?

SPEAKER_00 (45:05):
I think maybe there's a bit of that.
I think AJ might be trying toplay that.
Yeah.
but you need one of them.
You don't like, unless, unlessmaybe the thinking is both of
them.
Cause then if you, if you splitthem up, then there'll be hell
to pay.
That's what I'm thinking.
You'll piss them off.
Cause they're the girlies.
And then you'll come back andyou'll also, it's a

SPEAKER_01 (45:26):
package deal.
It's like two votes potentially.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Zara is like, I love Kalen, butit is time to make a move for me
or that's the editing we getanyway.
Then we get this immunitychallenge, which is an actual
torture chamber.
Loved this.
Hanging off a steep platform.

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And then it like...
Anytime there's like a handcrank mechanism involved, I gag.
Like it's so funny.
So medieval.
Exactly.
And then we get Kate's iconicline.
She's like, didn't sign up forSaw.
Loved that.
And then...

(46:08):
It turns into actual watertorture.
They all get like sprayed in theface.
It was so

SPEAKER_00 (46:12):
good.
But also out of nowhere.
Like it wasn't like, by the way,like.

SPEAKER_01 (46:15):
It was like, oh, JLP is like, oh, whoops.
Looks like I accidentally hitthe spray button.

SPEAKER_00 (46:21):
Sprinklers aren't meant to come in now.
I know.
It was like totally like that.

SPEAKER_01 (46:25):
I know.
I was like disappointed in thelack of innuendo from JLP with
that.
He could have been like, oh,Kaelin's getting squirted on or
something, but no.

SPEAKER_00 (46:34):
Or some sort of, I don't know.
Yeah.
Some sort of.
I don't know, champagne shower.
Oh,

SPEAKER_01 (46:39):
everybody's getting wet.
I don't know.
He like lives for that.
He's missed it.
So do I.
Yeah, it was a sexy torturedevice.
And then big boy.
Kaelin,

SPEAKER_00 (46:51):
of course, he's a specialist at this.
He's

SPEAKER_01 (46:54):
a specialist at winning

SPEAKER_00 (46:57):
physical challenges.
Because I look at it, maybe partof the indifference, which has
turned into dislike, is becauseI look at him and I'm like, I
never looked like that.
I was never that strong.
I was never that good atchallenges.
I was like, oh, maybe I'm a bitjealous.

SPEAKER_01 (47:14):
Well, yeah, maybe.
There's also something just kindof like a bit bland and sincere
about him in the way that he'sjust like, oh, you do the
challenge and you win.
It's like, oh, okay.
Sure.

SPEAKER_00 (47:25):
Or did I read it somewhere about it's like he
doesn't know he's there forSurvivor.
He thinks they're on thechallenge.

SPEAKER_01 (47:30):
Yeah, true.
He's giving old school castingwhere it's like mateship and
like got to win.
I'm a gold medalist and I lovemateship.
Oh, my God.
Remember that?
They'd be like, you can't lie onthis show.
The whole show is about loyalty.
You're a snake.
I'm so glad we don't.

(47:51):
get as much of that anymore.
They definitely do pepper in afew of

SPEAKER_00 (47:55):
those.
Yeah.
A bit of a Sam Webb vibe now.

SPEAKER_01 (47:58):
Yes.
Oh my God.
Don't take me back there.

SPEAKER_00 (48:02):
And just, just picturing Lee saying, ah, the
Alliance.
And it's like,

SPEAKER_01 (48:07):
fuck.
You guys are on a show.
AJ stoked that the golden boywins again, probably because, I
mean, you know, he's in hisAlliance and they're protected,
but also great.
Yeah.
to have him just make himselfeven more of a threat.
Because I feel like next week...

SPEAKER_00 (48:26):
As soon as he doesn't win.

SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
Discussion.
Yeah, as soon as he doesn't win,they're all going to go, hey, do
we knife the...
What is he?
Golden Retriever?
At camp, Kristen is actingseriously despo at this point.
She pleads her case to Miles.
She's like, just in case, youknow, if you want to work with

(48:47):
me, I'm a fun mum.
I'm not like a regular mum.
I'm a cool mum.
I'm here to work with you,Miles.
And he's like, sure, Jan.
Cool story.
Kaelin is so awkward at theStrat Chat.
It's like he doesn't want...
I think that's why he wins thechallenges, so he doesn't have
to participate in it.

SPEAKER_00 (49:03):
Yeah.
I'm picturing almost a bit likeKent early on.
Just go have a nap.
Oh, my God, Kent.
Vomit with that guy.
Let's not go there.
The praying man.
Oh, he's a millionaire.
That was his personality type.
Yeah.
Because I'm a millionaire.
I'm a millionaire, baby.

SPEAKER_01 (49:20):
Kristen is trying to flip Zara now to take out AJ
because Kaylin's won immunity.
And DJ Kate is so frustratedthat the brawny girls are on the
bottom.
She's just like, I'm going totry and like...
work my magic with aj so her andmorgan tried on with aj this was
so bizarre and then morgancracks it understandably because

(49:46):
aj is like a brick wall and he'sjust like so reluctant to tell
them anything but he's doing itand he's like patronizing this
fuck way i would respond in thesame way as morgan i'd be like
well this guy's fucking notgiving us anything so see you
later

SPEAKER_00 (50:00):
that that to me was very indicative that uh she was
a recruit and has no idea likeyou feel that on the inside but
you don't you don't do that onthe outside you do what you you
let him talk you you brush hisego stroke his ego stroke
whatever else um yeah you you dowhat you need to do to get him
on board and by doing thatyou're just making yourself you

(50:22):
just like yeah you lie yourselffurther away you

SPEAKER_01 (50:25):
placate people you tell people what they want to
hear

SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
like duh because like literally the game imagine
if you said to aj like um idon't know what i'm trying to
think what she could say to himto then be like if you keep me
around one more vote i'll do xlike yeah give him some sort of
carrot but instead what you'redoing is you're you're making
him then think to go back to hisalliance hang on it's true
because she's

SPEAKER_01 (50:47):
putting up just as much of a brick wall back by
being like we'll buy it's likeclosing the door yeah i don't
know i get though she feelsprobably pretty powerless but
you're right it's like you'vegot to kind of grab

SPEAKER_00 (51:01):
it that's the power dynamic exactly it's when it
happens in the real world whenyou've got someone using their
leverage or power yeah call themout it's bullshit whatever but
when you're on a game where it'sa social political game like you
exactly you need aj's in poweryou need him to help you like
it's not like yes you have tobeg you have to grovel you have

(51:23):
to bend over backwards bend overforwards whatever he wants yeah
you do what he wants and he'llhe'll help you out he'll throw
your bone but if you're gonnablow up in his face yeah and
maybe the plan was to get katebut now he's like hang on a sec
i know if i get rid of kate i'mdealing with this well there's

SPEAKER_01 (51:38):
also two of them so it's like think creatively for a
second like you know and you'vegot a few floaters i don't know
if they wanted to if they werereally working hard they could
flip the whole game but they'renot no so that's the thing and
that's why i do think that youknow, there's been a lot of

(52:00):
discussion about like Morgan andKate and like, are they getting
like a shit editor?
I'm like, well, probably notbecause like, you've still got
to do some stuff.
Like as you're telling me, theywere doing all this stuff and
the producers would just likeleave that out.
Like, come on.

SPEAKER_00 (52:15):
I don't know.
It's a weird one.
I have heard when I've spoken toGeorge in the past, like he'll
say that a lot of the people whoget- Loves the chat, George.
I love it.
Friend of the pod, George.
Yeah.
I remember at the first JohnnyFairplay party, the Channel 10
car got a good workout.
Oh my God.
I loved it.
I don't think I paid for adrink, but I think I was so

(52:37):
hungover But even this recentparty as well, like I was not in
good shape.
I got home, I don't know, 2.30,woke up at 6.30, like drinking
beer.
And I, oh my God.
Will

SPEAKER_01 (52:50):
George and Morgan have been at each other on the
socials?
Which is...
delicious um yeah what does hewhat do you call it and kate
boring or something and thenthey were like fuck you mate

SPEAKER_00 (53:04):
yeah like there's other things or things you don't
know yeah

SPEAKER_01 (53:07):
i'm like i can't wait for those ndas to run out
because i want to know whatshe's talking about yeah

SPEAKER_00 (53:11):
yeah we'll find out we will but yes what i was going
to say with george and that'skind of the point that he was
making like in the past he saidto me um there might be super
fans of the show who get noairtime like gerald for example
in his first season geraldHarold apparently had been
watching the show since also,since I don't know, he gave his
first milking to a cow orwhatever he does.

(53:33):
Stop.
And he just wasn't cut forshowmanship.
He didn't have the showmanship.
He didn't have the Logan drama.
He didn't have that fiercenessfrom Karen.
He wasn't giving them anything.
Whereas George would say hewould actively give them
multiple things to work with.
He would record something andthey'd be like, yep, cool.

(53:55):
all right, that's done, you cango.
And he'd be like, no, let metell you in case the plans
change, I want to say this part.
So like George was, yeah, heknew how to play the game and he
knew how to get the producer'sattention.
100%.
But yeah, but he's alsonaturally charismatic, whereas
Kate and Morgan just might notbe giving them anything.

SPEAKER_01 (54:14):
True.
When Kate is in the show, Ireally enjoy it.
Morgan, I don't think has evenhad a crumb.
Yeah.
So I do feel bad for that.
Cause I feel like at least giveus, you know, surely there's
some stuff she's said or donethat they could have included
and they're really purple toher.

(54:34):
But I think with Kate, it's likewhen she's on it, I'm like, oh
yeah.
Cause you know, she's wearingjeans as a top this whole time.
And I'm obsessed with that.
So it's like, how can you not?
Anyway.
Speaking of Kate, AJ and her aretalking she's batting her
eyelids and we get morediscussion about how beautiful

(54:55):
her eyes are and I couldn't Ishuddered it was like I

SPEAKER_00 (54:58):
can see why AJ's single he's like

SPEAKER_01 (55:03):
oh I'm talking to Kate she's just got such
beautiful eyes and I was likestop I was like, sir, step away
from the woman.
It's

SPEAKER_00 (55:11):
like, it'll be like a cartoon cutout of his heart
coming out of his chest.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (55:16):
I do like, yeah, they were trying to kind of, I
don't know, give her a bit of apoverty edit or something for a
second.
They're like, is she going totry and like float away?
Which I think is a absolutelyvalid strategy and amazing.
But no, I don't think, I don'tthink she's interested in doing
that for real.

SPEAKER_00 (55:35):
Yeah, I don't think she even thought of it as an
option to do that.
I don't know.
I would like to know what'sgoing on in her mind.

SPEAKER_01 (55:46):
Yeah, I think she's definitely a little bit flirting
with him to, you know, see whathappens.
But I don't think there's any,she's not thinking about like
how she could use that.

SPEAKER_00 (55:57):
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So, and it's one of thosethings, like, I don't know if
you've ever been in a workplaceand it's like,

SPEAKER_01 (56:03):
unfortunately I have,

SPEAKER_00 (56:05):
where you'll be like, oh, like, that's the
hottest person we have here.
And it's like, then eventuallyit grows and it becomes like,
oh, okay, they're not so bad.
And then like, when you leavethe job, you're like, what the
fuck was wrong with me?
that could be what's happeningon the island.
It's like, well, who does shehave to choose between?
AJ, Miles?
Well,

SPEAKER_01 (56:23):
it's funny you should say that.
I'm having the same experienceas a viewer because like at the
start of the season, I was alittle bit like, not that many
hotties this season.
Now, because my guest last week,Dan Morrison, was like, AJ's a
bit hot.
And I was like,

SPEAKER_00 (56:37):
hmm.
Is he?
Or is he

SPEAKER_01 (56:39):
just the best we've got left in the game?
And now I'm like, this week Iwas like, AJ's a bit hot.
Which I could not believe I wasthinking but yes you're right I
think it's just like slimpickings yeah anyway he is
making great telly but I do wantto give him a little slap at
tribal our sexy jurors walk insissy that walk they keep out

(57:06):
sexing themselves so good DJKate reads the graduates for
making boring moves which I waslike tea She's like, you could
do a boring move or you couldfuck shit up.
And I'm like, yeah, but you guysstill have to like decide what
fucking shit up looks

SPEAKER_00 (57:23):
like.
Yeah.
You can't just, yeah.
Say we, cause she kept saying wehave a voting block of three.
We have three easy votes foryou.
And it's like, yeah, but sellit.
It's like, yeah.
Like

SPEAKER_01 (57:33):
what's the end game baby.
And then, Oh, this was awkwardas when Morgan and miles kind of
got into it.
It was like, Miles was like,well, I didn't get any pictures
from Morgan.
So I was like, correct.
And she's like, well, I didn'tget any pictures from you.
I'm like, yeah, but you're kindof like on the out

SPEAKER_00 (57:54):
style.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (57:56):
Like it was awkward because he had to like actually
explain that.
And it was uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (58:03):
That's what I was saying before.
Like in the real world when youhave– boss taking a dynamic yeah
fine that should yeah you callit out because that's someone
taking advantage of theirposition exactly personal
benefit but if I've done thetraining all the modules yeah
and then yeah but when you're ona game where that is the point

(58:26):
of the game is to outmaneuverand to use leverage and to it's
basically yeah change the

SPEAKER_01 (58:32):
dynamic yeah which you can do yeah but not by being
sookie it's yeah it's likeMorgan's like sad at like how
the cards have fallen over.
It's like, well, pick them up.
Yeah.
Do something else.

SPEAKER_00 (58:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (58:45):
And yeah, unfortunately, Miles, I think,
yeah, was all too happy toexplain to her kind of like the
lay of the land.
So she kind of did get a bitserved.
Then after that, the brawnygirls start whispering and
Morgan wants to switch to Miles,which felt very personal.
Very emotional.
It was like this...

(59:07):
little bitch is like telling methat you know i'm not working
hard enough at this strategy solet's get rid of him and i was
like oh but then they tell zaraand zara's like works for me

SPEAKER_00 (59:22):
yeah i well but that to me is a conversation you can
have at camp like yeah you needzara you can't just tell zara oh
we're voting for aj and youthink about it's like what do
you prefer what who do you wantwho can you see yourself working
with better we'll go the otherway like we'll do whatever you
want sort of thing um

SPEAKER_01 (59:42):
and as you knew she was going to do she didn't flip
and we see the back of christianwhich to be honest i was fine
with

SPEAKER_00 (59:50):
yeah i i think her character had run its course
yeah

SPEAKER_01 (59:54):
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (59:56):
um I'm curious to see when she comes out in the
jury, the next tribal.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:03):
What her outfit's going to be like?
It's going to be like the divasand then mum.
It's going to be like the fourhot babes are going to walk in
and then it's like mum at theback.
Or do you think they're going togive her a little glow up?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:16):
I reckon she'll have a bit of a clap.
Yeah?
Yeah.
I can picture like a bit of a, Idon't know, hair all up and nice
and a bit of like a summerydress.
Yeah.
And like just makeup and I thinkshe'll, I think we'll be
pleasantly surprised.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:29):
Yeah, I think so

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:30):
too.
Either that or she's going tocome like in full on like fiery
gear, like big baggy fire safeoveralls, helmets.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:42):
So Druryvilla, do you want me to catch you up on a
few bits?
Yeah, give me the cliff notes.
So the cliff notes ofDruryvilla, Loras is great.
She just gets time by herself,which I was like, amazing.
I was very jealous of that.
Paulie...
She got a good, like, four daysby herself.
Yeah, because it was, like, anon-alim, so she got to, like,
totally just hang out.
They, like, took her out orsomething.
She was, like, living.

(01:01:03):
Paulie comes in and talks a lotabout the sexy six and Paulie
and Nunes' plan to take out Kateand Morgan, and that's why they
held that against him.
So little bits keep sort of,like, coming out, like Laura
passed that on.
Then Karen's episode...

(01:01:24):
She's, oh my God, Karen.
Fuck, I love her.
On her way there, she's like soexcited for the goss.
She's like sad she's gone.
But then like equal parts like,yes, now I'm in Jerubal.
I'm going to get all the goss.
She's like, I hope Pauly's likebeing cute.
Then they do this gag where likeshe walks in and Laura and
Pauly's faces are like.

(01:01:45):
mean, like, scowls.
And the music's like, dun, dun,dun, dun.
But then they're like, what?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:50):
Joking.
And they do

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:51):
this little gag.
So funny.
I

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:54):
love Karen.
I feel like...
if you're with her or againsther like she's the type of
person that you just want aroundyou at camp like totally like
the brief time like i've spentwith her like i was i was yeah
like she's sarcastic yes wittyand then she's like she can flip
and be like she's like i just iwas just listening to her at the

(01:02:15):
at this party and it's likeshe's got like the sarcastic
sassy vibe and then likesomeone's asking her a question
like a genuine like i don't knowsome i don't know some
emotionally oh she's a star likehonestly she's like giving her
like advice and i was like thisis really nice like it's just
like an awesome like all-aroundperson

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:32):
she will play again yeah having crossed paths with
her a few times now can confirmstar quality yeah like she's
just yeah really really

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:40):
funny things she needs to work on we need to get
rid of those overalls yeah ilove them but they're not yeah
great because she's

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:47):
like seriously hot and it's

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:49):
like why are you wearing these overalls and also
if you're going to let throw ittake a pin out of a grenade you
have

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:55):
to throw it oh yeah I mean look she tried

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:59):
she yeah I think I actually think that edit was
like made it just look reallybad I think yeah I agree I think
the plan on that I know I knowit wasn't on this episode but I
just something I want to touchon I think yeah I think she um
had this idea floated to herlike flip the flip your vote to
zara and zara goes home um andthen i think she wanted to save

(01:03:21):
zara because if she flipped onzara that buys her one tribal um
so what's the point she sheflips on zara and then she's on
the bottom the next tribalanyway like what's it doesn't
get anything yeah

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:33):
but then she

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:33):
did vote for zara well

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:35):
unfortunately but i think i think that's oh she only
did that because the performancedidn't go the way she hoped and
she's like fuck it i'll just goback to the But unfortunately,
everyone else had moved on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:45):
Yeah, well, I think she was initially trying to get
that idea of like, well, if Ican have my cake and eat it too,
then save Zara and buy myself acouple more votes.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:53):
Honestly, and for too long on this show, it's like
always been the men that dothese like big performative
moves.
So I was so happy to finallysee...
like a woman on the cast beinglike, no, I'm going to like do
some like ballsy performativeshit.
I was so here for it.
And yeah, it didn't work, but sowhat?
Like you leave an icon and weall want more.

(01:04:14):
So well, you win.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So no, I was, I was veryimpressed.
I was, I saw very distraught.
I had, yeah.
Um, but I was very impressedwith the way that went down.
Um, I don't think the edit didit justice at all.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:28):
Yeah.
No, so her Drewville episode isadorable.
Highly recommend watching that.
She also says, like, after afew, like, cocktails at the
dinner, she says that she hopeseveryone at camp chokes on their
beans.
Then she calls them alldumbasses.
She goes, I hope a dumbassdoesn't win.

(01:04:48):
And she goes, well, there's someserious dumbasses over there.
And I was, like, gagging athome.
And then she's like...
Yeah, I just don't want adumbass to win, which is
absolute queen behaviour.
And then they go paddleboardingin the rain, which is quite
funny.
Then Logan arrives and she's soexcited to kiki with her girl,
Laura.

(01:05:09):
But then Laura...
isn't excited to see her.
And it kind of kicks off andthey have some awkward tension
at the dinner.
Like, I'm not making this up.
Drewvilla this year isHousewives.
Like, every dinner party, thereis a fight.
Like, it hasn't happened yet,but I'm assuming wine will be
thrown at some

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:29):
point.
Why don't they air it as like afull episode?
Do two regular episodes and havelike an hour and a half of
Drewvilla.
Yes, they

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:37):
should.
I would even love it like cut into the main show You could do
it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:42):
Yeah.
It's like, and this is why thejury is so salty.
Yeah.
It's not that salty at theplayers, that's salty at each

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:52):
other.
Yeah, it's crazy.
But they kind of work it out onthe remix, those two, which is
good, but it's still a bit awks.
But then Kristen coming in next,totally...
Like, we forget about thatbecause this is wild.
Like, Kristen walks in and Iactually did feel bad for her
because it's like two seconds inand Paulie's already like, so,

(01:06:17):
just wanted to have a bone topick with you.
And she's like, fucking, she'slike, girl, let me like at least
eat some food.
And he just goes, or he's like,when specifically did I...
Lose your trust.
And then she's like, she'sactually really good.
She's like, well, all right,here's some examples.
Like at the start, you weredictating things to me and not

(01:06:38):
including me and blah, blah,blah.
And then she actually kind ofschools him a little bit, which
I was not expecting.

UNKNOWN (01:06:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:45):
she outlines like all the times that he just like
point blank lied.
And then she also is like, andwhen you do lie later on, when I
call you out about it, you'rejust like, he, he, he.
And I'm like, yes, that's sotrue.
So I actually was like, Oh no,Pauly.
But I'm like, still like, inlove with paulie and i still
think kristen's annoying but shedefinitely had some good points

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:08):
but it's that to me is like so on point for paul
it's like kristen's walking andi'm the main character yeah

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:14):
yeah and then logan's amazing she's like
paulie call it she's like letthe woman have a like a meal
yeah and then she even it'sreally awkward she's like okay
i'm gonna leave dinner now um A,because I want to go to sleep
and B, because like this hasbeen the most awkward shit ever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:33):
It's like...
yeah

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:36):
to me like it's so interesting because when i think
of i did watch i remember notthat i've watched many drew
villas um but i always get thefeeling it's like yeah it's like
a celebration it's like we'reout the game let's have some fun
it normally is and that's whyit's whatever clear things up
but at the end of the day we alllike yeah we're here for a game
let's like oh exactly

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:55):
and the game is like kind of over for them

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:58):
so it's like yeah and i remember once sam gash got
grilled but that also lastedlike half the dinner and then
it's like oh everyone's friendsagain they moved on whereas this
was the whole dinner it doesn'tsound like it doesn't

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:11):
sound I mean we'll see next week I'm like more
excited about Jerubal at thispoint but we'll see next week I
want to see I want to see Pauliejust like grill the shit out of
everyone that walks

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:20):
in for no reason yeah just even if he likes them
yeah like Lyle's you saved mebut you didn't save me enough
what about yeah exactly youdidn't save me

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:29):
enough because I'm here it's so good oh well
Brendan thank you so much forjoining me

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:34):
thank you on the pod thanks for the wine oh we should
have

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:37):
cheese one more Yeah, it's been fun.
And obviously, people can findyou on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:46):
At Australian Survivor Means.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:48):
Australian Survivor Means, which, I mean, if you
listen to this, I assume youalready partake.
But if you're living under arock, and, Kristen, a rock is a
round object.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:00):
No, that's not going

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:00):
there.
Then that's the account.
But, yeah, thanks, Joel, andI'll see you soon.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.

UNKNOWN (01:09:08):
Bye.