Drag Race, MAFS & Australian Survivor LIVE (w/ Zelda Moon, Jean Lizza & Ash Flanders)

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Sam Cremean (00:00):
This podcast was produced on the land of the
Wurundjeri people of the Kulin

Intro (00:04):
Nation.

Welcome to the very first ever The Cringes Rule
Live.
Live, live, live.
Live, live.
We live.
I'd also like to welcome to thestage our first guest.
It's Jean Litzer.

(00:47):
Hello.
Hello.

Jean Lizza (00:51):
Hi.

Everyone remember it.
2003.
Love it.
Oh my God.
Live and love.
We live.
We live and love.
Hi.
Hi.
So before we get started,welcome.
I'm your host, Sam Kraman.
And pretty much, I would let JKRowling know that she is a TERF

(01:18):
cunt.
Somebody lied to her severaltimes.
and told her that she was flyand sexy and she's nothing of
the sort.
Now that I've got that out ofthe way.
Hi, Jean.
How are you?
I'm good.
How are you?
Yeah, pretty good.

(01:38):
Oh, good.
Just hanging out at the pub,doing my favourite thing ever,
which is...
talking shit about reality TV.
Yeah.
Loving how it's turned out atthis railway.
This was an old man pub and nowit's a hot people pub.
What is happening?
I love it.
I also love that 90% of thisaudience are The Cringe's real

(01:59):
guests.

Unknown (02:01):
No!

I see you.
Who have we got?
We've got Jacob Fisher.
We've got Shane Nicklaus.
We've got Lorelei Camboni.
We've got Annabelle Fidler.
Oh, my God.
Curtis Hatton.
Fatima.
The rest of you, you know whoyou are.
It's roll call.
So, the rest of you, you knowwhat to do.
You have to come on the pod atsome point.

Zelda Moon (02:24):
Come.

This is an open invite.
Yeah, pretty much.
Also, I just wanted to check.
Did anyone get Gaga tickets?
Oh.
Yeah.
That's really interesting.
No one told me that they gotthem.
I haven't seen a single post.

(02:45):
No stories?
Not one.
Nothing?
Not one post.
I wish you would share the goodnews if you haven't.
I know.
If only there was a gay thatthought of, I don't know,
posting every single number theywere in the queue.
Did you see that, gay?
There was one gay that posted,like, it was...
You know when the stories islike so small, the bars are so

(03:09):
small.
I was like, oh, great, she's2,000 in the queue and then she
was 1,999 in the queue.
I was like, honey, if you don'tget these, I fucking swear to
God.
I also love when a big showlike this comes out.
It brings out the nafties whonever go to fucking shows.
Who are all like, I didn't knowthat this was going to be so

(03:30):
bloody expensive.
Bloody $200 for Lady Gaga.
You're like, have you been outof the house recently?
The money we will spend.
No, I haven't.
And it's quite a personalquestion.
I do apologise.
On the way here, I was like,chat GPT.

(03:51):
My new closest friend.
Does the moon get eclipsed?
Because I was like, is that afunny joke if I said that I've
been constantly eclipsed?
Yeah.

Zelda Moon (04:08):
It would be.
And then

I was like, wait, because the moon, and indeed it
does.
So thanks, chat.
Thank you, chat.
There is...
A lot of people are using itfor, like, therapy, I
understand.

Zelda Moon (04:19):
Losers!

Sorry, talking to myself.
Oh, my God.
So, my two lovely guests, JaneLitzra and Zelda Moon, are here
today to talk to me about DragRace.
And the essay topic is, is DragRace done?
Yeah.
Is she done?
But before we get into that, Ido just need to quickly...

(04:44):
talk to someone about jojo siwain the celebrity big brother
house who's who's with me isanyone yep yep what the fuck
what are you you're not watchingi have not great i don't know
what you say strap in so Soeverybody who listens to this

(05:07):
pod knows that Celebrity BigBrother UK is my favourite show
of all time.
Mainly because these big timeAmerican celebs, I mean, lesser
these days, go on thinking thatit's like American reality TV
where, you know, they shoot afew bits and then they're like,
bye.
No, no, no, no, no.
This show, they fucking shooteverything.

(05:28):
They will stitch you the fuckup.
They do not care.
So this year they put in JojoSiwa.
and Mickey Rourke were thelike, yeah, right?
Were the kind of like draw cardUS celebs.
Was this where Jojo was wearingthat like rainbow mohawk wig
and her head looked enormous?

(05:49):
Did you?
When is she not doing that?
No, but basically Mickey justout the gates was just kind of
like, I'm going to vote thelesbian out.
Like unironically.
And then also said that he wasgoing to tie her up at one

(06:11):
point.
He was like, I'm going to tieyou up in a good way.
And she's just like, sorry?
It's crazy because going in, ifyou'd said to me, would you
prefer to have dinner with JojoSiwa or Mickey Rourke?
I would chose Mickey Rourke forsure.
But this is not on.
Like it's wild.

(06:32):
Like it's wild behaviour.
Well, one of the otherhousemates who's since been
evicted tweeted that he saidworse shit that didn't make the
cut.
And I was like, what's worsethan threatening to tie up a
21-year-old lesbian?
Listen, he's a criticallyacclaimed actor from the 80s

(06:53):
who's incredibly unwell.
He's been exploited already byDarren Aronofsky, but now, yeah,
he should not.
No.
No.
Well, they did remove him fromthe house, but only after he,
like, threatened to, like,physically attack someone.
Why am I laughing?
Wow.
I love this shit so much.
So the tie-up isn't like aShabari moment or something?

(07:14):
No.
Oh, no.
No, no.
How unfortunate.
Yeah.
Poor Mickey, but.
a fight to the death.
It should be.
Maybe it should be a violencefight to the death of homophobia
and like, who will win?
Jojo, go Jojo.
Who I find kind of annoying.
I know.
In this context, I'm like,you're right.
But to tie it back to DragRace, our topic.

(07:35):
One of the other housemates isDrag Race UK winner Danny Beard.
Oh.
He's also in the house.
But weirdly...
Oh.
Oh, cool.
Danny and Jojo, though, notvibing.
Like, she nominated him thisweek and she was like, yeah, you
know, Danny's in the house.

(07:55):
And, like, I thought, you know,LGBTQ plus fam, right?
But, like, I don't really...
Like vibe with Danny.
Like that was the reason forthe knob.
And I'm like, wow, this bitchneeds like, yeah, this bitch has
Mickey to thank for her rise inpopularity after the show.
Cause she's fucking annoying.

(08:16):
Wow.
How much drag is Danny doing?
Zero.
One look on entrance and theneven made a point of it on the
way in.
Like, oh, so I can't, I can'tdo this gas accent, but she's
like, I'm going to do drag thisone time.
And then basically they're notpaying me enough.
I don't know.

(08:36):
If only there was someone asbeautiful as this in the house.
I love it because of all thedrag queens.
I really disliked Danny Beardbecause I was like, oh, grow up.
Shave.
No one's tantalised by yourqueer expression.
Just fucking shave.
She's fucked and creamed.
She's Ozempic.

(08:58):
Have you seen her recently?
No.
She looks good.
The UK dominance of a Zen pic.
It's just gone through the UK.
Yeah, and transphobia.
They love that shit over there.
They really do.
Do you remember when CourtneyAct went in the house and
accidentally flashed her bits toeveryone on the way in?

(09:21):
What a fucking genius.
What a legend.
That's what you do.
What a legend.
That's what you do on the wayin.
You go, oh, no.
So good.
Exactly.
So good.
I would have preferred Lemonplaying Jojo Siwa from Canada's
Drag Race in that.

(09:42):
That's a deep cut.
I know, deep cut.
We're talking about Drag Racein reality TV.
What season did Lemon do thaton?
Her first one.
Okay.
The first one.
The first one.
Because Canada, I'm like, kindof neither here nor there with
TVH.
Yeah.

Intro (10:00):
Yeah.

Brooklyn doesn't do it for me.
A deathly silence.
I want to talk about the deathof Drag Race because I feel like
there is a collective lull.
Do you remember?
Can I cast your minds back towhen we were like so excited
about it?
Remember, you know, Karen fromFinance was hosting her parties

(10:21):
at the Curtain?
Yes.
They were good.
And we would go and watch ittogether.
It was like...
Part of the community.
Like, actually community.
Yeah, it was cute.
Yeah.
That was around, like, seasoneight.
Like, season nine was that kindof when.
Yeah.
I feel like in Australia inparticular, that's when it kind
of flipped over to Stan fromFoxtel.
And that's when I feel like itjust became, like, all

(10:43):
encompassing.
Like, eight, nine, around ten.
When was the peak?
Shout it out.
Six?
Oh, we've got some sixes.

Zelda Moon (10:51):
Well, yeah.

Yeah, it's the Six All-Stars 2 era.
Oh, yeah.
All-Stars 2 was like...
Some seasons after that.
I feel like once Aquaria won,it was like, okay.
Yeah.
True.
But like...
Well, that's when RuPaulstarted her journey of getting
twinks on that she wants tofuck.
RuPaul is...
I mean...

(11:12):
Sorry?
I've heard that Butthole's backnext season.
So, you know.
I loved hearing RuPaulconstantly say butthole.
That was quite good.

Intro (11:23):
Lydia butthole

Collins.
But, yeah, I do think thatseason 17 is the worst season
ever.
Hands down.
Easily.
I, like, have...
not enjoyed it at allwhatsoever i like lexi love
that's great yeah oh i want todo i want to do hero woman lexi
love okay like sorry i want iwant to end up at like 8 a.m yes

(11:51):
at a kick-ons with lexi lovewhere we do unspeakable things
yeah but like hopefullyIncluding not speaking to anyone
else that was on that season.
Yeah.
Wow.
What a dry ride.
It's so bad.
Yeah.
Uncharismatic character.
Like it just, it's not it.
Yeah.
It was bad.

(12:11):
And then to make it worse, Ithink the moment in this season
where I was like, felt like Iwas held at gunpoint was when
they did the Las Vegas gift shopsong.
Yeah.
Everyone know what I'm talkingabout?
It was like, the gift shop.
Oh, no, there was a line.

(12:33):
She goes, yeah, I'm doing drag,but selling is my passion.
That was a line in the song.
I'm like, we get it, Ru.
You're a capo.
We love that for you.
But like, do you need to?
I don't know.
Fuck off.
So you hated that episode morethan the interpretive dance

(12:54):
episode?
Oh, girl.
Because the interpretive danceepisode, I was like, wait, we
don't get a reunion, but we doget interpretive dance.
Oh, yeah, there was no reunion.
Yeah.
And there was stinky breath.
I see stinky breath was thebest part of the season for me.

Unknown (13:08):
Yeah.

But I'm a cunt.
You mean the incident or theperson?
Oh, just the whole thing.
That happened.
So if you're uninitiated, oneof the queens has a horrible,
debilitating gingivitissituation.
And then another queen on herway out wrote on the mirror in

(13:30):
lipstick, hope you get atoothbrush, bitch.
And I was like, crown her.
That's like, that's what...
Doing drag used to be about.
Being a bitch.
I mean, it was pretty savage.
Yeah.
I was here for it.
And then, I mean, like, fauxreunion episode was what last
week?
Because it was filmed veryrecently.

(13:50):
Like, there was a break infilming.
And they did not make thatclear because they were like,
oh, I haven't seen you in ages.
And I was like, what?
Yeah.
I was like, I think that'sreally fun to bring them all
back.
But they didn't talk aboutthat.
So strange.
Oh, and that exciting guestjudge they had,

Intro (14:05):
Bruno.

Unknown (14:08):
Yeah.

Yeah.
Sorry?
Keep her away from themicrophone.
Bruno does not need to speak.

Zelda Moon (14:15):
No.

Also, Bruno needs help.
Like, we need some sort ofcharitable fund to, like, fix
Bruno's face.
Because it used to be fine andnow it's not fine.
We need to take it back towhere it was.
You do like season eight, don'tyou?
Exactly.
But how do we fix it, girlies?
If it's broken...

(14:36):
What do we do?
If we're talking US season,let's talk about the fact that
it takes four fucking months tofind out who wins this.
It's so long.
It's so long.
I think there's a sweet spot.
And they don't know, right?
They have no idea because theyfilm every possible ending.
Last week I was like, who?

(14:56):
It's like the who's who of who.
I'm like, who the fuck is that?
Oh, that's right.
That was from three and a halfmonths ago.
What?
What?
So much has changed in thattime.
So it is weird.
I did enjoy Susie Toot gettingbooted.
I have to admit.

(15:17):
Sorry.
Toot the boot was cute.
Toot the boot was cute.
Did you see her on Twitterbeing like, oh, I've given Corey
King...
A thousand dollars.
Did someone say this?
Yeah, because it was like, wepromised before that last lip
thing that whoever didn't winwould get a thousand dollars.

(15:39):
So here it is, girl.
Like posted like a screenshotof her like Venmoing.
What?
And then Candy Muse commentsimmediately being like, bitch,
contracts.
I was like...
Exactly.
Wow.
There's no wealth distributionin World of Wonder, honey.
Susie definitely got a somewhatunlikable edit, at least for

(16:01):
me.
I was just like, you're clearlytalented.
I hate you.
And I haven't had that for awhile with a queen, which is
kind of cool.
Someone in my life came up tome a couple of weeks ago and was
like, you must be loving SusieToon.
Oh, my God.
Did you slap them in the face?

(16:23):
I threw acid on their face.
I said, sorry.
That is such a fucking insult.
I was like, you don't know me.
I would rather you tell me Ihave stinky breath.
You don't understand me.
Are there any Suzy Tootstans inthe house tonight?
Oh, thank God.
Correct answer.
Because I hate they get thesegirls that are like 21 and then

(16:45):
they're like,

Intro (16:46):
Oh, I'm just an old soul.
I

like old Hollywood, darling.
I like lies.
It's like, no.
Where does that come from?
I don't know.
It's twisted.
I don't like it.
No.
But how do we fix Drag Race?
Yeah, how do we fix it?
I think we need a break.
Yeah, break.

Intro (17:06):
Yeah?

Like a genuine break.
Because it's like when you haveone season a year of a show...
you anticipate it for the restof the year.
But when it is back to back,like yes, franchises, like it's
great that we get all thesedifferent flavors, but from
mainline, it's almost consistentacross like all stars and
everything.
It's just oversaturated.

(17:27):
Then casting, the cost is toobig, completely agree, drags on.
And the casting is just not ascharismatic as it once was.
And diverse.
A 32-year-old was a grandmathis season?
Yeah.
Girl.

Zelda Moon (17:46):
Yeah, I agree.
I'm 23.
But then

Down Under, if, I mean, I don't know how common
knowledge this is, but sonormally auditions are end of
the year, everything's kind ofcast by New Year's kind of vibe.
Last year, It's no castingannouncement, no season

(18:10):
announcement.
No.
And here we are, still nothing.
Yes, is she done?
So I don't know that seasonfive will ever happen.
I think she might be done.
But we love that for yoursister, Lesi Susana.
My sister.
Because she gets to reignforever.
Forever.
She wants that,

Zelda Moon (18:23):
right?

Oh, she'd love that.
She's just sitting on herthrone forever.
Yeah.
I mean, as much as I would likethem to do another Down Under,
yeah, I don't want it unlessit's going to be good.

Unknown (18:35):
Yeah.

It was good.
It was great.
That's the thing.
It really was a good season ofgenuinely diverse.
And that's where I wanted twomore episodes.
I think we talked about that inour episode.
It's just like we needed more,you know, because there was just
so much talent in that room,including the dominance of
Lizzie, you know.
So it wasn't just like therewas one queen.

(18:57):
They were all great.
They were.
So it's sort of like, as yousaid, because of this
oversaturation, people are sofatigued, drag race fatigue, is
so real.
People apologise to me.
They should start prescribing.
I'm so sorry.
I'm not up to date.
I'm like, it's okay.
You have a life.
Well, I love that we could giveourselves a break whenever we

(19:17):
want, but we just choose not

Zelda Moon (19:19):
to.
Yes, that's

right.
That's right.
I want them to do like someProject Runway style or like top
model style twists becausethose shows have been running
for a long time.
And, you know, you could arguethey've inspired this show.
And it's like...
Do you know what I love?
Like on Top Model where Tyreeused to be like, oh, what's

(19:40):
that?
I'm wearing clogs.
Because motherfuckers, we'regoing to Amsterdam.
Yeah.
And then like the next episode,they go to Amsterdam.
They should do things likethat.
Yeah.
They don't even go out of theset anymore.
Like take them overseas.
Yeah.
Put them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Come on.
The one thing that hasn't yetbecome oversaturated from the

(20:02):
franchise, I will say is ChiaraFrancini attack.
Italian judge.
Oh, yeah.
She's so amazing.
Everyone else, you're living inthe dark.
No, she's good.
Oh, if you think those two fagsfrom Spain are great, she is so
much better.
Las Javis.
I can't stand them.
What?

(20:22):
They look like they work atZara.
Yes, that's true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And they'd be at Zara on theirphones and you'd be like, oi.
Hello.
I want to buy this pleatherjacket.
You might.
I would never treat people incustom service like that.
Oh, you've got a whole fantasywith those, do you?

(20:44):
They're so hot.
One of them is hot, but I don'tknow which one.
Do you know what I mean?
I see that.
I do see that.
It's like I want one of them,but I don't know which one.
Yeah.
Well, anyway, Kiara isincredible.
She's great.
She's so good.
She's like a real...
She's a fag hag, but she'slike, she will keep it 100 with

(21:05):
you.
Oh, yeah.
She will put a cigarette out onyou.
Yes.
Like if you don't.
Yeah.
It's like we started withMichelle.
Then we got Anna Locking inHispana, which like at the time
I was like, oh, she'sincredible.
But then Italy came out and Iwas like, sorry, that's it.
How did we feel about ReeseNicholson?
Oh, yeah.
She's not here, so...

(21:25):
She's not here.
Say what you want.
Oh, no, I love...
Yeah, Rhys was good.
Yeah, brings a great energy,doesn't overstep.
I like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did, like, there was oneepisode where they had Ursula
Carlson on as, like, a guest,and she eclipsed Rhys.
And I was like, that would havebeen a good, like...

(21:47):
dovetail thing, like how theydo Graham and Alan Carr.
I was like, get Ursula on everysecond ep.
She lives in Auckland.
She's doing nothing.
Get her on.
And she's good.
It's incredibly popular.
Just ask Comedy Festival.
Incredibly popular.
Is she?
Yeah.
Great.
Sells it out, I tell you.

(22:07):
Yeah.
What did you think?
You covered Drag Race DownUnder Season 4 on your podcast.
You read it well.
And you got to speak to some ofthe dolls and divas.
Sure.
What do you reckon?
Like, do you want anotherseason of it?
Because there was rumoursthere's going to be, like, an
All-Stars one.
There was so many rumours.

(22:28):
These girls, they just startedtalking.
And then, like, everyone saidstuff about Max this season that
was so wrong.
Like, she's out first week, youknow.
And I was like, how couldMax...
I feel like she started those.
She's like, everyone, it'sreally unfair.

Intro (22:46):
So she could be like, look...
I rise like a phoenix.

Yeah, look, I...
I would like to see anotherseason, but there's always this
idealism where you're like,well, I hope it's good.
Like, I think the show wasreally good there last year.
I think it got buried a littlebit by the timeframe that it
came out.
It was way too late.
That last episode was like twodays before Christmas.
It was like Christmas.
What the fuck?
Yeah, it was wild.
And so it wasn't, you know,given the spotlight that it

(23:12):
needed.
And there was actually justsome really good.
So if they could cast in thesame way again and do it in that
same way, because I thinkMichelle bought a lot of
beautiful energy and, like, youknow, she was really beautiful.
I think she understands thatthis is a small country.
She was mumsy.
She got really mumsy with them.
And this is a small scene and Ithink she really cared and if

(23:33):
we could have that same level ofcare again, it's worth doing.
I mean, you know, I wish therewas a bigger viewership for it
but, I mean, people who loved itreally loved Drag Race Down
Under and I heard from them.

Unknown (23:47):
Yeah.

I loved it.

Intro (23:52):
Of course you did.
But the

pressure of season five is really immense.
Oh, yeah.
Because it's like, do you go onand go out first and destroy
the family name?
Or do I go on and then alsowin?
Which is really hard.
I want you on.
And I want this to be yourentrance look.
Dreams come, come to dreams.

(24:13):
Maybe.
So...
From the four finalists, whothe fuck's winning season 17
tomorrow?
I think it...
I don't know what story they'regoing to tell, but I think it
would probably be a greattravesty if On Your Nerve didn't
take it out.
Oh, really?
Because On Your Nerve isactually likeable in that way.

(24:37):
And I think she's got thatwhole auntie thing that she does
that Rue loves.
They're polished queens.
Sam Starr's great.
Lexi's great.
Sam Starr is just like, I don'tknow, like a comedy character
from a Christopher Guest film.
I'm just so sad that theydidn't bring Charles Barker.
on as a guest.

(24:57):
She's like, Charles Barkley ismy godfather.
What?
Bring him on.
Yeah, totally.
If Sam Star wins, I'm actuallygoing to Art Alive.
I don't think that's going tohappen.
I also think Anya will win.
Really?
I'm fully in a Jules situationin my mind.

(25:18):
No, but not for me.
Like, just for, like, the...
I don't know.
That's just my vibe.
Caveat is I've watched thiswhole season, like, full scroll
show.
Like, I'm watching it with,like, one eye.
And the other eye is, like,doing other shit.
So, I don't know.
You tell me.

Zelda Moon (25:37):
Yeah, I

think...
I don't know.
I just think Anya has had...
the right journey.
But across that journey, I'vecome to really dislike what I
saw.
So I don't want her to win.
I just think that stuff with-Dislike what you saw or dislike
what you smelled?
Whoa.
No, I think that the incidentwith the tarp was really, like,

(25:59):
gross.
That was some Project Runwayshit.
Yes.
Like, because they were outsideof the studio.
Yes.
Spray painting shit.
Spray painting.
I loved that.
Lexi's losing her methed outmind.
Remember when they...
Like, calm that woman down.
You know the truth.
Tell her.
Remember when they used to takethem to, like, Santa Monica
Boulevard to, like, talk tostrangers?
Yes.

(26:20):
Bring that back.
Yes.
Even, like, the zombies in thetrash, like, alley.
That was so good.
That's fun.
I don't want fucking squidgames.
What the fuck?
Oh, yeah.
But I would love Lexi to win.
Like, of the four, she's my,like, I would love.
I just don't know if that willhappen.
But, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, see, I'm feeling Jules,but I don't know.

(26:42):
I think it's just because Ilike her the most in the
confessionals because she'slike...
And, yeah, I don't know.
We haven't had, like, a dumbbitch like that win before.
So, I'm into that.
Anyone, any other Jules people?
No?
Oh, fuck that.
Oh, this is an icy silenceright there.
I love Lexi as well.
She's just all out.

(27:02):
She's all nail.
She's just all everything.
She's just the realest probablyqueen that, you know, she's in
confessional.
You're just like, we're justgetting it all.
And I'm just like, I'm here forit.
But I want to see her in an allstars as well.
I think it would be cool to seeLexi in all stars.
Well, there's about 400 peoplecast on the next all stars.
So her odds are looking.
Which is starting in 10 minutesor something.

(27:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what is, So it's like atournament or something.
They're doing like quantitythis time.
Oh, God.
Is it going to be...
It's not going to be 16episodes, is it?
I don't know if I can handleit.
I reckon there'll be like 26episodes.
26 episodes.
Each for every ladder of thealbum.
That's the other thing.
Too many.
Too many.

(27:45):
Cut it.
Cut it.
Yeah.
Great.
So who's taken the minutes fromthat?
We're going to send thatstraight to RuPaul.
Ru or Action...
bad clothes of business.
Any other comments before yousashay away?

Zelda Moon (28:04):
Any other comments?
No, I'm only thinking of nastythings to say about

2017.
Please, that's why we're here.
I've already said so many ofthem.
No, I think...
The other thing I will say, Iwas super, super excited for
Global All-Stars and that was afucking train wreck.
It was so bad.
It was so hopeful.
I know, Gene and I covered thattogether as like a little pod
crossover and I was so excitedabout doing that.

(28:32):
And through the process ofdoing that, I got so much like
hate from people.
No, because people were reallylike, insane about that season
mainly the millennia people andi thought i was having a great
time bitching about millenniaand the next thing you know my
dams are flooded with like crazyitalians oh sorry oh was that

(28:56):
you um no but actually the onething i will say that is
positive is so has everyone seengermany And the winner of that
was Pandora Knox.
Yes, loved her.
She's fucking amazing.
She started to do more and morethings like globally and she's
like an incredible performer.
So put that on your radar.

(29:16):
What about, how do we feelabout Celestian Royale?
It's actually so funny.
It's actually great.
How could they name a showthat?
I know.
It's so good.
No, I'm super into that.
No, that'll be good.
That's great.
We'll watch that together.
Yeah.
Because no one else will bewatching it.
All of the Philippines.

(29:39):
Actually, that's the thing.
I also had crazy Filipinopeople in my DMs, which, yeah,
it was so good.
But also I was like,

Intro (29:46):
okay.
I'm not serious, you guys.
Chill out.
Love

it.
Jane, final thoughts?
Drag Race will always liveforever and ever.
And ever.
RuPaul is actually not aliveright now.
She is a hologram.
She died many years ago.
And this will go on forever andher head will end up in a jar
like Futurama.
And we will always talk aboutDrag Race forever and ever and

(30:17):
ever.
And next year I would like tosee Zelda on Drag Race.
And is there anything you'dlike to say to little baby
five-year-old Jean?

Zelda Moon (30:28):
Don't worry, Jean.
It does

Intro (30:31):
get better.
It gets better.
It gets better.
One day you're going to be on alive podcast at a pub in
Knopfitz,

Frey.

Zelda Moon (30:41):
Just remember.

Everyone, thank my first guests, Jean and Zelda.
Oh, stunning.
Stunning.
And keep that applause goingfor my next guest, Ash Flanders.
All right, energy.

Intro (31:14):
All right, energy.
Energy, energy, energy.
Keep that energy there.

Keeping it up.
Living it up.
I don't love Jojo Siwa.
Mickey Rourke was totally inthe right.
I do not give a fuck.
I don't care.
Who knows it?
She's not a lesbian.
She's a liar.
I would also tie her up and I'dthrow her off the Thames.
I don't care.
Jojo Siwa, not on my watch.
Not on my watch! I asked you ifyou wanted to talk about this

(31:40):
and you're like, oh no, I can'tpublish it.
I couldn't.
It would be really unpopular totalk like that.
Yeah, she's not a real lesbian.
That's right.
Anyone wondering, Ash Flandershates women.
I do not.
I love women.
I want them to be withbeautiful lesbians that are
actual lesbians.
Do you think she's a sesbian?
I think she's a thespian likeme.

(32:02):
She's a they-them-sbian.
She is.
She's getting very cuddly withLove Island UK's Chris Hughes.
She is so desperate for cameratime.
She came in like an Americancapitalist pig she did and she
is taking over that show she'sgonna win she was trying to run
mickey rock and he was like iain't taking none of your shit

(32:23):
yeah and i will tie you up and iwas team mickey i was like she
can't run you when you wake upfuck her dance 10 looks none
yeah fuck jojo siwa the bitkarma's a bitch yeah and so am i
When she did the dance, so theydid like a talent show.

(32:45):
They do this every time.
They're like, we've paid forthese celebrities.
We're going to make them do it,like dance like monkeys.
And then literally with Jojo,they were like, do a dance
performance.
And she was just like...
When she's dancing, I can seethe lesbian.
Let's just say that.
No, totally.
Yeah.
But I think she's playing it upwith Chris because she knows

(33:06):
that people are going to watchthat and they're going to cut it
into the show.
But they're doing like weirdspooning.
So you can see two weirdsexless dolls bump non-genitals
together.
Yeah.
No thanks.
I don't know.
I could just stay home and dothat.
Yeah.
She also has a kangarootattooed on her arm.
I don't even know what to sayto that.
Except I'm embarrassed to be anAustralian.

(33:27):
Because she's like, my partneris non-binary.
She has that Miley Cyrus childactivist voice.
And they're Australian.
And I'm like, okay, great.
We'd love this for you.
Is she with Ruby Rose?
Yes.
How thrilling.
Or did one of the Veronicasmake good?
Like, what happened?
Is Havana Brown having a goodtime?
What's going on?

(33:48):
No, it's one of G Flip'sfriends.
Literally, did anyone go to theTramp tour last year?
No?
Okay.
I mean, I knew it didn't sellwell, but fuck.
But no, apparently she metsomeone through G at that.
Called G?
No, G is G Flip.
Get with it.
We're all on G, Sam.
Yeah.
No, and at that, they like...

(34:10):
Hit it off and now they're athing.
How do you hit it off with JojoSiwa?
Five, six, seven, eight.
No thanks.
You just put a camera at herand go, well done, honey.
Keep going.
You know how mum makes hercostumes?
Of course.
And she's like 30 or whatever.
She's from Dance Mums.
Yeah, well.
You don't leave that.
Like Dance Mums is forever.

(34:30):
You don't leave Dance Mums.
It's like next year.
Unless you're Abby Lee Millerand you go to jail.
Yeah, she's like branded.
Yeah, beautiful.
Hold her down.
Alison Mack, brand her.
No one watched NXIVM, The Vow?
We don't condone.
Wow, it was amazing.
We don't condone violenceagainst women.
It was about my people actorsbeing lost and being taken
advantage of.
Scientology.
Oh, my God.

(34:52):
Very hot.
Can we also talk about...
The Real Housewives of BeverlyHills for you.
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay, great.
Do you believe in wealth?
Do you support wealthy women?
I do.
I'm raising money for the rich.
Because after this, we're goingto do just like a cast photo.
Yes, I can't.

(35:12):
I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing this.
That's me being Garcelle.
So you'll be there?
Yeah.
What the fuck?
Because I, yeah, I've gone on aroller coaster with how I feel
about Garcelle.
Because she was giving nothing.
You could tell she didn'treally want to be Yeah.
But then, like, after that, I'mkind of, like, full team
Garcelle now.
I don't know.
I'm just kind of, like...
You dumb faggot.

(35:33):
Like, what are you talkingabout?
What are you talking about?
No.
Like, she gave us nothing andthen she left and now I want her
back.
Like, fuck off.
No, do you know why?
Because I am that bitch.
Like, I'm the sort of...
They were filming for ninehours that day and I...
I wish I had their problems.
I wish.
If someone said that to me,like, hey, now we're going to do
another thing after thenine-hour shoot, I'd be like,

(35:55):
fuck that, I'm out of here.
I'd be like, I'm there, I'mready, let's go.
Talk to my agent.
I'll do it for less.
Yeah.
But back to lesbians.
Did we ever leave?
Kyle Richards.
Yes, but she had the worstcoming out in history.
Was that a coming out?
She had a coming out that felthomophobic because she refused
to say the word gay, lesbian,woman, love, attraction.

(36:17):
She was just like, I aminterested in exploring who I
could be or who I could possiblybe.
And there are times when Ilike, it was, it just kept
going.
And anytime someone tried tolimit to like a gender, she
couldn't even do it.
It was concerning.
I came out via email and minewas better.
Yeah.
Did you actually?

(36:37):
Yeah.
Have you got it here printedout?
No, I don't.
Sadly.
Andy Cohen was activated.
Like, he was ready to take itthere.
Like, he was like, oh, yeah.
He kept saying lesbian.
And he also kept referring tohimself.
He was like, yeah, I rememberwhen I came out.
And Kyle was just like...
I don't know.
Shut this down.

(36:58):
And Kathy's like, I told Paristhat I might be a lesbian.
She also might be Chinese.
While she was chewing gum.
Yeah, she's Chinese.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
She's Chinese and Italian.
It's beautiful.
Because the lady told her, thelady, you know, the lady.
The Richard sisters are nothingif not attention-seeking.
Whatever their mother did tothem, we are all reaping the

(37:20):
benefits.
Yeah.
When she just started laughinguncontrollably, I was like...
Kathy, yes, when Kyle was like,it's been really hard, Kathy's
like...
That's getting studied, like,in, like, I don't know, in,
like, a police questioningcourse.
Like, when they laughuncontrollably, they're hiding
some dark shit.
Yeah, and they were laughingabout the idea that Kyle was a
lesbian.
And I wonder how Jojo's CEOwould feel about that because

(37:44):
yeah there are some things worsethan having mickey rourke going
i'll try you up like mickeydidn't know where he was mickey
needed an advocate the wholetime someone like legally oh i'm
sorry we're being ableist yeahyou're being really ableist it
is it's horrible oh my god infront of my jk rowling yeah i'm

(38:05):
not team her just so just that'sclear i haven't even read her
books can't read yeah

Unknown (38:12):
Ha ha ha ha.

Also, is Sutton okay?
No! No, she's a Sutton lunatic.
Like, she's an ex-ballerinathat married a wealthy man that
divorced her, and it turns outthat's not a recipe for
happiness.
Like, she has been involved inseveral miserable institutions,
beginning with ballet, whichpunishes your body and teaches
you to not menstruate, and thenshe went on to, like, marry a

(38:36):
man that told her, like, we'regoing to be doing it my way, and
then once she decided what shewanted to do, he let her go, and
then she has nothing but shehas a big wallet and an empty
house so yeah it's the Chiracfantasy yeah I want Reba on the
show McIntyre no Sutton's mum ohyeah whose name is Reba yes

(39:00):
weirdly the old southern womandid not get along with the only
black cast mate isn't that weirdlet's not look at that for too
long yeah It was very weird.
It was fabulous television.
Rebar.
Yeah, she was a lot.
I mean, when Sutton...
Okay, if you don't know, I'mgoing to pretend like there's an
audience here because thereisn't.

Unknown (39:18):
And...

Sutton is this wealthy lunatic who's from the
South, and she went to the wholestoryline where she was going
to see her mother, who I feellike she doesn't love me enough,
and she doesn't say she's proudof me.
And it's like, what has Suttondone to be proud of?
Honestly, you were never afamous ballerina, and he
divorced you, so lose-lose.
You didn't even catch thespare, to use a bowling term.

(39:39):
Just for the lesbians.
She went back there to see ifher mother was proud of her, and
her mother...
that is not that proud of her.
Which is uncomfortable for allof us.
But it got really dark asSutton's dad committed suicide
in front of Sutton's mum.
Not on the show.
It wasn't Sweep Sweep.
He'd done it decades earlier.

(40:01):
Sutton was always really hardon her mum, even though her mum
had to witness that.
Sutton had no empathy.
And she still lives in thehouse?
Yes.
No.
Sutton's mum lives in theservants' quarters of Sutton's
house.
And she's like, my mum isn'tnice to me.
No shit! She's not nice to you.
Anyway, some strong feelingsabout Miss Sutton.

(40:28):
It's good to have opinions.
You know what I mean?
You're on a podcast.
You've got to make sparks.
You've got to act up.
How do you feel about all thesenew shows?
Obviously, Bravo is kickinginto some succession planning.
Bravo, bravo, bravo.
Because these women are Aging.

(40:48):
Don't tell them I said that.
They've gone from peri to many.
Yeah.
We are deep in the pari.
Is it pari menopause?
Is that what happens after?
I don't know.
Peri, then menopause.
What's after?
Venti?
Grande?
Yeah.

(41:08):
Have you seen the trailer forGen Z NYC?
I have.
I don't feel good about thesewealthy kids pretending they
have interest in making aliving.
Even Brooks Marx?
He's the worst.
He's the best.
Sometimes if I question whetherI'm homophobic because I worry

(41:29):
I'm losing it, I will look atBrooks Marx and be like, no, I
hate fags.
Yeah.
Oh.
Absolutely.
When I see Brooks Marks, I'mlike, yeah.
He puts his own name on like asweatshirt and they're all like,
how do you do it, Brooks?
How do you do it?
He's like, mommy.
And you know, Brooks isuncomfortable saying how he

(41:51):
identifies and who he's with.
Yeah, the Bell's palsy in thatfamily.
Can we just try and work outwhatever's in the water supply
at the Marks house?
Because they are zany to thehilt.
Bitch, whatever the fuck thatis.
like that cocktail.
They're still worried aboutY2K.
They are so behind.
They are so late.
Yeah.

(42:11):
They're with Mickey Rourke upin the fucking subway.
I love Mickey Rourke.
He's a fantastic guy.
Oh my God.
Whatever you talk about.
Oh, that's right.
Maps.
Maps.
So Married at First SightAustralia.
Hang on.
Because I believe in marriage.
Dinner is served.
Dinner is served.

(42:33):
And that's all the diversityyou're going to see on that
show.
Yeah.
Is a weird Latin X man sayingdinner is served.
Previously on The Experiment.
So if you didn't watch thisseason, firstly, get over
yourself.
You're not above it.
And secondly, go back andfucking watch it all from the
start to finish now.

(42:54):
Like, it's actually canon.
It needs to win an Emmy.
It was the best thing I've everseen in my life.
Like, this bitch was like, howare you not watching this?
And I'm like...
You've got to keep up with thestraights.
They're not okay.
They're not okay.
You've got to keep up.
And, like, meet Australia.
If you want to meet Australia,I don't know why you'd want to,
but you can meet Australiathrough Married at First Sight
Australia.
And the world loves it.

(43:14):
Saoirse Ronan on Graham Norton.
The fact that the world lovesit terrifies me.
I do not want them watching it.
Like, you know when you're on aplane coming back in from
overseas and they play thatvideo about like, don't be
sorry.
Declare.
It's like that.
You're watching it and you'relike, no.
I'm

Intro (43:31):
not, we're not all like this.

I swear.
It's like that bad.
But I mean, if it's betweenthat or like Ruby Rose or like
Russell Crowe, like there are somany Australians I do not want
to be associated with, but thecast of Married at First Sight
Australia, I'm like, yeah, thoseare my people.
That's where we live.
We need to give a special shoutout to Lauren from the show
with her Stepford wife, who gavebirth to the best term ever.

(43:55):
and the Oxford Dictionary wordof 2025, boganic.
Yeah, she was right.
A lot of them were acting veryboganic, which is a lot coming
from someone wearing a bumper in2025.
Being like a bad Stepford wife.
She was so bad.
No, I can't relate with thesepeople.
They're boganic.
Lauren's sister was betterbecause Lauren's sister at

(44:17):
Lauren's own wedding in the showsaid, this is an abortion.
This wedding has been anabortion.
I am the sister of the...
Bride.
Love that.
She wanted like a pescatarianmeal.
I think she wanted a spin-off.
I think she thought they werehanding out TV shows.
I think she's going to get it.
She was amazing.
I need to speak to thepresident of television.

(44:39):
Yeah.
So the last time we checked in,it was like the boys and girls
retreat, which was...
So binary, right?
So binary.
Yeah, because there are justthe two genders.
And we do...
And one agenda, which is to geton OnlyFans.
That is the ultimate.
Well, I'm still waiting.
No one from this season's casthas...
done so yet oh wow I've beenchecking you fucking better

(45:02):
believe maybe Adrian justdoesn't know how to spell his
username properly like you can'tfind it Adrian's like oh I was
watching him before I was cominghere and he's like you didn't
take any accountability and Iwas like I've never heard the
word accountability said withlike no plosives or like no
accountability I was like whoaanyway his wife later said that

(45:24):
I don't need to read you becausethe subtitles already read you
because they had to saysubtitled him speaking English,
which felt ableist and alsoright.
No, it felt correct.
Otherwise, I'd be like, what isthis man saying?
He was very, very confusing.
These two were thirsty,thirsty.
So, this is Adrian and Athena.
They were both paired togetheras twins.
So, like, they both haveidentical twins, which was like

(45:47):
gag, but also...
So, at their wedding, they'relike...
Well, twins are weird.
And putting twins with othertwins is weird.
Totally.
And they're always weird.
Into it.
into it they always get askedweird questions yeah and they
were playing into that which Ilove but these two were both
thirsty as fuck because at nopoint the only thing thirsty was

(46:08):
Athena's hair which wasbleached and could not there was
no conditioning treatment deepenough for Athena's hair yeah
that thing and poor thing sheknew it as well but it was like
yeah you can take the girl outof WA but that hair was on that
hair was not on this time zoneyeah

Intro (46:25):
but would you move to Perth?
but would you move to Sydney?

That was their whole relationship.
The will they, won't they, Rossand Rachel of it all.
Also, she had a kid and day onehe was like, I don't want to
fucking roast someone else'skid.
Yeah.
I said I would never love yourkid like it was my own.
And she was like, I'm going togive this a few more weeks.

(46:49):
She's like, I've written staybecause who knows?
I believe in love.
Yeah.
And both of them each weekdecided to stay with each other
every week.
And I was like, Here we go.
This is some screen time shit.
Like, they know the assignment.
They know they're getting morefucking airtime each week.
But what are they getting?
I don't know.
But Adrian spat the dummy whenhe didn't get invited to the

(47:11):
promo shoot.
Yeah, that was very hard forhim.
Which you could tell theChannel 9 producers were pissed
off about because they can'tbuild a storyline around the
show.
So they kept being...
What's her name, the narrator?
Oh, Helen Dallimore.
Helen Dallimore.
Who is incredible.
After being shook At theairport.
Yeah.
After we shoot at the airport,she goes...

(47:33):
Athena is struggling tounderstand Adrian's tantrum
about the photo shoot.
Yeah.
After not being invited to aChannel 9 promo shoot, and
you're just like...
She's doing all the heavylifting.
I'm just trying to picturebackstage, like, is there

(47:54):
someone there?
And they're like, oh, so who dowe want for the promo shoot?
Oh, we've got to get Morena.
Oh, Morena.
Yeah, let's get a seven footangry menopausal woman in there.
That'll bring the viewers in.
Yeah.
But how did he see fit aboutthe promo shoot?
There was some fucked shitgoing on.
They had like an altercationbetween the twins.
There was like a twin off atone point.
Twin off! Which was great.

(48:14):
That was fantastic.
That episode alone was amazing.
Yeah, there was almost onepersonality between all of them.
Yeah.
It was thrilling.
I think someone in there, likethey'd each read like a quarter
of a book.
We maybe had a whole book inthere.
Yeah.
And then what was going on withSierra?
So Sierra was...
She came in hot.
She came in so hot at thisreunion.
So like her whole thing was hergroom was...

(48:37):
was gay, let's be honest.
Gay or British?
The age-old question.
A little bit of both.
He had a very strong Britishaccent for someone that, like,
grew up in Perth, but whatever.
Yeah, Billy.
Yeah, what the fuck was hisname?
Billy.
Very gay.
He had to touch her ass, and hewas so...
He kept, like, slapping it as ajoke.
They would, like, massage her,and he was like...

(48:58):
Even I was like, I would...
I'd get in there.
We all played like Lara Croft.
We can pretend.
He was giving likeenglishlads.com.
Yeah.
Very.
Very scally energy.
Yeah.
So Sierra decides, she's like,no, no, no.
She's coming in hot.
She's like, I didn't get enoughscreen time.
At the end, she walks in inthis like disgusting mesh dress,

(49:19):
which I was like, fucking hell.
It was amazing.
She came in like a revengedress.
Exactly.
And in the car on the waythere, she says the iconic line,
I can't wait to get to thisreunion and tell everyone to get
fucked.
It's me at Christmas.
Yeah.
It's just me off to familyChristmas.
It's, I get that.
I totally, and I was so readyfor her to be like a bitchy

(49:42):
villain and then she justcouldn't deliver.
It was such a disappointment.
So they're like just about toget into it and she's like, they
like serve the food, which theyactually eat at these dinner
parties, which I'm like, okay.
And then she's like, I'mleaving.
I'm out of here.
She does a martini at themargarita bar.
And she just like gets up andfucking walks out.
And literally no one, no onecared.

(50:05):
Everyone was just like, ohgreat, Sierra's gone.
And she was like, I'm going tosay whatever I want.
I don't give a shit.
I'm going to tell everyone.
He messaged me and everyonewent, we don't care.
And she's like, I'm going.
It was so sad.
It was so, so sad.
And it was also one, shot theproducers got of her because she
was a gorgeous girl they gotone shot of her she looked like

(50:25):
a dog and they really likerammed that home and to get a
bad shot of her you had to belike yeah really on her but also
they showed it there's somelighting or something some dark
hd is no one's friend but it'slike weird channel 9 hd where
like all of the makeup is likefuck If you're Lavinia Nixon,
it's fine.
But if anyone else, they arenot giving you the Lavinia

(50:47):
filter.
Poor Jamie.
You look like the surface ofMars.
You are like one small step fora dermatologist.
It is a huge...
They all need help.
That is like get your ass toMars from Total Recall.
But the bombshell that shedrops at the reunion is that
Athena, the wife of Adrian...

(51:08):
said in confidence to her atone point that she thinks that
Adrian is an idiot true and Iwas like hot take girl wow and
that his businesses will neverbe successful because he doesn't
even know how to speak laughingYeah.
And so that's when we realizedAthena had perception, which we
never knew she had before then.

(51:29):
I was like, where was this likethe whole rest of the time?
That's the annoying thing aboutthe show, though.
It's that they all have to keeplying and pretending that
they're in love.
They actually loathe eachother.
Oh, yeah.
Like a real marriage.
Exactly.
No, it's...
Literally, it's been myeducation as to how heterosexual
society operates, and I'mthankful for it.
Well, ever since I learnt thatstraight women have to rim

(51:51):
straight men, I have not beenokay.
And that happened on Ex on theBeach, where a guy was like,
he'd hooked up with someone inthe villa, and then another girl
would come in, and he wastalking to his friend, and he's
like, oh, mate, I can't leaveher.
And he's like, come on, mate,your ex is in, maybe you want to
do that?
And he goes, no, mate, she eatsmy ass.
And the guy went, oh, yeah,mate, you've got to stay there.

(52:11):
And I thought, now Her wholefamily knows she's a big, filthy
Rimmer.
International Rimmer.
Lisa Rimmer.
That's your drag name, yes.
Yeah.
Welcome to the stage, LisaRimmer.
Anyone got a mint?
We need to talk about yourboyfriend, Paul and Karina.
So, Paul, I am so ashamed.

(52:32):
So, Paul came here from Franceand decided of all the accents
he would choose, he'd choose themost boganic accent of all.
He was boganic.
Yeah.
So, unfortunately for Paul, hegot a little bit punchy
throughout the season.
Punched a hole in a wall,allegedly.
Those French, you can't makethem go to war, but they'll
punch a wall.
Yeah.
That's my political section ofthe show.

(52:55):
I hope you've all enjoyed that.
Did not stop you, Ash, fromthirsting over him all season.
I loved him.
He was hot.
Can we just...
He had a ridiculous hairlinethat was made in Turkey.
There was plugs.
The plugs were plugging.
One was like permanently stuckdown.
One was trying to find its wayback to the part of the body it
came from.
But the rest of it looked good.

(53:16):
And he was so sweet and sodumb.
I mean, he actually wasn'tsweet.
He was a violent lunatic.
But he's hot.
But the heart wants what itwants.
He's like a thick boy.
He's got like French rugby boyenergy and you just want to tie
him up.
Yeah.
To quote Mickey Rourke.
Yeah.
But he did the...
They dangled a carrot in frontof him.

(53:36):
They did this dumb fucked thingat the last minute of the show
where they were like, it's thefinal vows, but let's see who
will cheat on the night of thewedding.
And it's like, okay, channelnine.
And of course he took the bait.
So he went on the date and metthis girl.
I was just curious.
I was curious.
And I got there and I thoughtit was so stupid.
Why was I here?
Why did I do that?

(53:57):
It was so stupid.
And so he's...
When Karina confronts him andshe is like...
And she sounds like she's gotabout one working brain cell,
Karina.
She is like, it really hurt mewhen you said that you weren't
going to not go on the date.
Yikes.
Yikes.

(54:17):
What happens in Perth?
I don't know.
But yikes.
Let's bring both eyes to thecamera.
Yeah.
But he gets back from it.
He's like, by literally...
It was disgusting.
I saw her.
She was...
She was disgusting.
She looked like a Barbie doll.
Literally.

(54:37):
Literally.
And it was like the mostamazing thing I've ever seen on
television.
He was so angry about that niceblonde woman that they found on
the streets.
I'm guessing he just broughther in.
She was like, so how's it allgoing with your wife?
And he's like, actually reallygood.
It was very like, just what Iimagine, like Sydney, like Roxy,

(54:58):
Jack and Wanko, Jackie O, likethat kind of girl, like a blonde
vacuous PR girl with a drughabit, like trying to find a
safe place to land.
Yeah.
And then when he said,everything's fine, she's like,
well then...
Then why are you here?
Exactly.
Then why are you here?
Why are you here?
Yeah.
He was like, literally, I'mjust curious.

(55:19):
I was just curious.
Like I needed to know like whatyou might look like or what you
might be like.
And yes, you seem to be a womanwith blonde hair.
I know.
Yeah.
And then she got to destroy himin the final vows by being
like,

Intro (55:30):
you ruined it.
You ruined it.
You took my heart and youruined it.

Oh my God.
Which was amazing.
I know.
Also, who was the rapper shefucked?
Who wasn't?
the rapper she found.
So the reason he punched a holein the wall was because they
were in an Uber.
Does someone know?
It's Drake.
I hope it's an Aussie rapper.
I hope it's that guy who rappedin an earlier season of Maths.
Do you remember there was thatwhite rapper?

(55:57):
It's Chris Lilley in Blackface.
Yes! Yes! Diversity.
No, but literally they're inthe Uber and she's like, a song
came on.
So, you know, it must have beenlike a top 40 song.
And she was like, oh, I fuckedthis guy.
And he was like, what?
Meanwhile, they go and staywith her family and she's like,
I'm from a good Catholic familyand you have to sleep in the

(56:18):
other room and prayer's really,prayer?
You fuck rappers.
How good was when the mum, themum was like, so Paul, are you
religious?
And he's like, no.
And then she's like, is thatsomething that you think that
you could maybe think aboutpotentially becoming is
religious?
And he's like, oh yeah, I couldmaybe think about that.

(56:40):
In the future.
And she's like, great, done.
She's like, I'm sold.
Yeah, that mum just wanted tomarry her daughter off.
That was so sad.
It was like, wow, the slavetrade is alive and well.
You will just sell her off assoon as possible.
At 29, she is well past thetime you're happy to have her in
the house.
Like, it was very sad and veryrelevant to Australia.

(57:01):
It was.
I think it's an importantstory.
Should we talk about Jamie andDave or nah?
I'm kind of done with that.
Well, I'm wearing Dave's shirt.
Oh, you are?
So we have to, okay.
Dave wore this shirt.
Mine's a small.
Dave's is like an XXL.
Yeah, Dave was lovely.
They were pitching them to usat the start of the season.
It was like, these are thecouples.

(57:21):
This is a Melbourne couple, bythe way.
So that'll interest you.
He's like a hot, tatted tradie,like huge.
Where are you going to findthem?
He's from like Hot Tradies, theInsta.
And then like...
she's just this kind of smallGreek woman.
An Altona girl with a dream.
Yeah.
Like absolutely.
She hopped on, she got intozone one and she had a plan.

(57:42):
Yeah.
She bleached the hair, shelasered the face and she went,
they will never know where I'mfrom.
Yeah.
But they didn't get the like,it didn't, They didn't get that
fairytale ending.
Can you believe it?
They didn't find love in ahopeless place.
It's so crazy.
I was rooting for them.
All of Altona was rooting forthem.

(58:03):
I know.
Everyone at the KFC was, yeah,loving it.
They were loving it.
I felt bad for them becausethey seemed nice enough, but he
was never that into her.
Exactly.
And is that the vibe or was sheactually crazy?
I don't know.
Wow.
You gaslighting?
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
I was really sad this wasn't aseason where everyone said
gaslighting as much.

(58:23):
Norm Normally they just saygaslighting non-stop.
No, we've moved on.
There was a lot of ghosted.
And a bit of weaponising.
And a bit of, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, ghosted.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, and also the men, like mennow knowing all the therapy
talk.
Yeah.
So men saying like, thatdoesn't align with my values.
Yeah.
Because I said I wanted a girlwho was in her 20s and blonde

(58:45):
and weighed about $2.
That actually happened.
That really like, that offendsmy morals and my values.
He was like, how dare theseproducers couple me with this...
fugly bitch.
Yes.
And at the very end, Paul waslike, you know, Karina, you've
done a lot of things to me too.
And I was very hurt by like theage old, like I didn't hurt you
because you hurt me.

(59:05):
How dumb do you, well, actuallyKarina, she almost fell for it,
but she didn't.
Thank God.
She had some good.
fags around her, I think, thatsaid, while we're doing your
hair, let's teach you what menare like.
Yeah.
Alright, and I've saved thebest to last.
It's Jackie and Ryan.
So if you didn't watch theshow, Jackie clearly has a deep
mental illness, allegedly.

(59:27):
I'm not a doctor, but I wouldsay her rapid mood swings would
suggest something's going on.
See, I think she's a genius.
And that's where we differ.
Yeah.
And that's why we will neverfight over the same woman.
I think Jackie Jackie needs tobe given, like, the keys to,
like...
Meds.
She needs to be given meds.
Or ECT.

(59:48):
Yeah.
Jackie is so good.
So, Jackie and Ryan got pairedtogether and his whole thing was
that...
I collect swords and I live inTasmania and I have a plan and I
will execute it.
To the guys, he was like, yeah,look, she's got crazy eyes but
she gives good head.
And I'm an alpha, and men needto be leaders.
And I'm like, you couldn't leadnothing, mate.

(01:00:10):
You couldn't do March of thePenguins.
Yeah.
No one's following you toTasmania.
No offence.
No, he lives in Western Sydney.
Oh, that's right.
She's like, I need to be in theeast.
I'm kind of like a beach babe.
I don't know if you've gatheredthis from my Miss New Zealand
personality, but I need to be onthe east.

(01:00:31):
And he was like, oh, okay.
but come to my house in Sydneyand see my samurai sword
collection.
Yeah.
That episode was fucked.
And then she starts crying.
Because it made her feel like,it reminded her of elderly
people and how lonely they canbe.
It was so twisted.
In her defence, that house wasfucked.

(01:00:52):
Yeah, but...
I think water finds its level.
And I think that was the rightlevel for Jackie.
I love this.
I think let's tune back in in10 years and she might be
dreaming of a place like that.
They were perfect for eachother.
She did get him back in thefinal vows with her iconic line,
I'm not a rehabilitationcentre.

Unknown (01:01:11):
Yeah.

Sam Cremean (01:01:12):
No, you're not.
You're also not a human beingor a person in control of their
faculties.
Like, again, where's MickeyRourke's advocate for Jackie?
Like, Jackie needed help.
She needed the cat team.
And I think they would havereally helped her out.
Jackie was a strange unit.
At one point she said to him,why don't you want to be great?

Intro (01:01:33):
Yeah.

And what a kind thing

Intro (01:01:35):
to say to a partner.
He doesn't have good financialskills.

And then she would cry and say she loved him.
And then she went on the datethat was...
And she went on the date andshe gave the guy her phone
number.
And then, of course...
Oh, it was amazing.
He's like...
What did she say?
Oh, look, I gave him my phonenumber, but Ryan didn't ask.
So that's fine.
Yeah, because no one wants you,Jackie.
Exactly.
Go back to New Zealand, doll.

(01:02:00):
The long white cloud iscalling, doll.
And now she's with Clint.
She ended up with the golferfrom Tassie.
Yeah, she's ended up with theperfect guy for her.
He lives in a weird James Bondvillain mansion in the middle of
nowhere in Launceston.
And if you want to be a bigdeal in Launceston, I imagine
any of us could do that rightnow.

(01:02:21):
But she wants to do that and bea big shot in a small pond.
That'll be great for her.
You want to fuck a guy with agolf simulator in the house?
Enjoy that.
I think none of us want that.
You should get his prostatechecked regularly.
Anyone who plays...
golf that much, something'scoming for the prostate.
That's just what happens.
They have a golf ball downthere and a golf ball in there

(01:02:41):
that they need to be looking at.
We need eyes on them.
They need a show.
We need to check in with thembecause I feel like it's all
over.
It is, yeah.
They are both mentally ill.
And engaged.
And engaged.
I'm glad some people had tofight a lot to get the right to
marry and those people can justdo it as they like.
And I think that's wonderfuland that's progress.

(01:03:04):
I loved how much Jamie lovedJackie.
Like Jamie was like someGogglebox shit.
Like she was on the show, butshe was like watching Jackie.
Like she was watching the show.
She was the viewer.
And she was like, Jackie's awork of art.
She's like, just take her in.
Pretend you're in like the 16thchapel or some shit and just
like take her in.
The 16th chapel.
Yeah.

(01:03:26):
So good.
This is the future.
These are the people that aregoing to be able to vote and
control who runs the country.

Unknown (01:03:33):
Right.

All right, let's get the fuck out of maths.
And if maths is aggressivelyheterosexual, then Australian
Survivor is aggressivelybisexual.
Yes.
Do we not think?
How bisexual is AustralianSurvivor?
Very.
I mean, deeply.
I mean, because I want to eraseit.
I'm kidding.

(01:03:53):
I love Survivor.
No, I do.
I watched it.
I watched all of it.
Thank fuck, because we're aboutto talk about it in great
detail.
So this week's finale episode'sincredible.
What did you think?
We had our winner, the JungleRat, Miles.
The Jungle Rat.
So a man named Miles won.
If you didn't watch it, he's anAsian man who's bisexual.

(01:04:14):
He did pole dancing on theshow.
They erected a pole at camp andhe did that.
The whole final challenge wasliterally just poles that they
just erected for him.
to swing around.
It was amazing.
It's true.
And yet he didn't do that wellon that.
No, he did really badly.
He's a really lazy stripper.
Yeah.
It was interesting.

(01:04:34):
I mean, I find SurvivorAustralia does feel very
queer-baity in a way.
Because I watch the Americanone all the time.
It doesn't feel quite as gay.
Oh, fuck no.
Because Jeff Probst is likereally, I don't know, trotty or
something.
I know, we really disagree onthis.
See, I look up Jeff Probst nudeonce a year.
Yeah.
Because there is that pictureout there where there needs to

(01:04:56):
be the JLP picture.
I would put that torch out.
No.
You don't want to fuck JLP?
No, because the La Pallias, Iain't fucking with that.
And I know we're...
No.
And I know we're...
Yeah, I know, I know.
We're kind of in Italianterritory, so total respect.
But, like, no.
No, I don't want to fuck withthe La Pallias.
No, no.
It's a little...
I'll take it.
It's a little Colossimo-y tome.
Like, it's a little...

(01:05:17):
Yeah.
It's all from the same vibe ofAussie actor of a certain time.
Gia Carides, you know?
Yeah.
Anyone who's in Lantana.
Anyone who's in Lantana.
The Lantana of it all is quiteintense to me.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
So, in this second lastepisode, we start with Zara,
who...
Come on.

(01:05:38):
Like, Zara was so intense thewhole time.
Zara kind of gave, like, is ithead bridesmaid?
Is it, like, the maid ofhonour?
Yeah.
Like, she was very alpha.
Well, she was the vicepresident of the PTA, so she
wasn't quite alpha, but she wasalmost there.
Oh, God.
Veep.
But I love, like...
Exactly.

(01:05:58):
They rock up after tribaland...
Zara's like, you're all sowelcome that I've saved you all.
She also had one of thosevoices that I kind of can't
stand, where it's kind of likethat, you're all really welcome
that I, like it's that wee kindof voice.
Does my head in.
My Aunty Glenys has it too,it's fine, I can say it.

(01:06:19):
LAUGHTER I don't think she'slistening.

Unknown (01:06:25):
LAUGHTER

And unfortunately, after they took out DJ Kate with
her iconic slut trap, we had nomore brawns left in the game
and it was all brains.
Yeah, for once, the brains wonin this country.
Yeah.
How do you feel about thedivision, like the casting and
the division of these likevibes?
Well, I mean, because that,what's his name?

(01:06:46):
Kalen is clearly a brawn, buthe's meant to be a brain.
Baby, baby boy.
He didn't seem that smart.
I mean, isn't he like flyingdrones into Antarctica?

Unknown (01:06:56):
Yeah.

Ash Flanders (01:06:56):
Aren't we all?
What do you mean?
What are you talking about?
Why does that have to do withdrones?
I think he's low-key smart.
That's his whole thing.
I think he's both.
He can be both.
Okay, great.
But you're right.
I'm a bit more binary.
You know, JK.
Yeah.
No, they were all...
Look, I think AustralianSurvivor is interesting because

(01:07:17):
we don't make characters likeAmerica makes characters.
Although Miles was a reallygood character.
Miles was a really trippy unit.
He was great.
And I liked how cocky AJ was inbeing like...
patronizing to miles in all theprofessionals because they look
even better now that he's wonso he's just like oh like after

(01:07:39):
that travel he's like oh i feelso sorry for miles he's really
cooked his game because i'mnever getting votes and i'm
never going home which was hisline that he kept saying and he
was so convinced he's going tothe end so i just i fucking love
the producers of this show wasAJ from Melbourne because he
felt like Melbourne was veryarrogant yeah I mean I'm from

(01:08:00):
Melbourne yeah very arrogantyeah I mean I hope not because I
don't want him to come for mebut yeah he was next level
arrogant which I think is like athing that comes with like
being a poker player which doyou remember when Joan Rivers
was like you're a poker playeryou're a poker player and she
was so disgusted at that womanon The Apprentice where was she

(01:08:22):
bring Bring her back! Dig herup! Imagine Australian Survivor
being like, it's brains versusbrawns versus the corpse of Joan
Rivers.
They do this challenge.
Joan would still win, yeah.
They do this challenge andMiles finally wins, which was

(01:08:44):
stunning.
Huge.
And then after it, Zara inconfessional goes, what are the
odds?
To that I say, one in four.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was not that bad, actually.
A lot of people in hospitalswould take those odds.
Exactly.
And then once again, we kind ofgot edged in this situation.
They were going to go to fire.
It was like, oh, well, there's2v2.

(01:09:05):
You're all fucked, blah, blah,blah.
But then we didn't get that.
And it was just a straight...
see Ysara.
Yeah.
Which was, like, fine.
I think they did a really goodjob despite it being so
straightforward of, like,editing it to make us feel like
it was exciting.
Yeah, they have to act likethere's a storyline where
there's no storyline.
Yeah.
Which is kind of reality TV.
I was just happy that Cailinwas still on my screen shirt

(01:09:28):
list.
Did you guys, so, who actuallyhands up?
Oh my god, clap if you watchedAustralian Survivor.
Oh, thank God.
Okay, so we've lost most of theroom.
But did you find...
Clap if you found Caelan hot.
Okay, well, it looks like hecould find a husband pretty
easily.
Oh, yeah.
Unfortunately, I don't thinkthat's what she's interested in.

(01:09:50):
I think she's a real loner.
Like, isn't she, like, inNorway skiing or something?
Yeah, she didn't even watch theshow.
She was like, oh, yeah, cute.
Yeah, she's on to the next.
Just being blonde.
I feel like she's going to goon alone.
Don't you think?
Yeah.
Kaelin would kill alone.
Okay.
Whatever.
Yeah.
You haven't watched Alone?

(01:10:10):
If you can win a prize forbeing alone.
Honey.
Yeah.
You would hate Alone.
No, I watch Alone.
I've lived it.
What?
Yeah.
I know Alone.
Are you watching it currently?
How do I get you alone?
Yeah.
That's a different show.
I thought you would hate itbecause it's just people sitting
around being like, oh yeah.
Yeah, Alone's the one where allthe Asian women go, boo, boo.
No, I'm kidding.
That's that, you know, that'sthat dating show.

(01:10:31):
I love that dating show.
You're the one that I want.
What is it called?
Anyway.
Alone is great.
Good on them.
You know, there was thatamazing woman who like...
Gina G.
Gina G.
What?
The singer Gina G?
Yeah, Gina G was on it.
Yeah.
No.
No, I wish.
I know.
No, just...
Oh my God.

(01:10:52):
Well, she'd need a team.
Gina Liana would need a wholeteam around her all the time.
Yeah.
Although I think Gina will endup alone.
So don't worry.
It's coming.
Yeah.
We all die alone.
Hey.
At this point in the final weekof Survivor, I was literally
only watching these last twoepisodes for the jury looks.

(01:11:14):
Anyone else?
Like when Kate walked in, inthat like sparkly leopard print
number, I was like, thank youfor keeping me interested.
And I just felt bad for the gaySydney guy because the scar on
his forehead, that ain'thealing.
He's going to have that.
He's going to be Harry Potter'dfor like the rest of JK, for
the rest of his life.
Like he needs to get in touchwith George and they need to

(01:11:37):
like, Start a class action orsome shit.
Yes.
Because I think they bothsuffered facial injuries.
Serious injuries.
At the hands of fucking Channel10.
Oh, my God.
Is that King George?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I have a story that I can'ttell about that.
I'll tell you later.
Yeah.
How dare you?
You know, George has anautobiography.

(01:11:58):
Yeah, it's cool.
And you know a lot of peoplehire ghostwriters for their
autobiography.
And it was you.
Sure.
The best work I've ever done.
So good.
Best work I've ever done.
Bankstown, et cetera.
So this final episode, I lovethat they didn't fuck around.

(01:12:18):
It was like, And yet I skippedhalf the episode.
Did you?
Yes.
How dare you?
Well, I just wanted to see thechallenge and the jury.
But that's all it was.
It was like boom, boom, boom.
There was no bullshit.
They had a breakfast.
They always do a breakfast.
They do the breakfast.
I like the breakfast.
And they do like a montage andlike, let's walk and put out a
fire at every tree and go,remember Rebecca?
Yeah.
She was the cunt.
Yeah.
And then they did the bestthing ever, which was the

(01:12:40):
family, you know, the familycome out.
to watch the final judge.
Yes.
But normally the family.
These are the loneliest men.
These.
Yes.
Incels.
Like, oh my God.
Say their names.
Normally it's like, normallythe family come out and you're
like, oh my God.
It's my wife.
It's my sister.
This was like AJ's mate fromthe pub, Nabil.

(01:13:01):
Yes.
Who was like low key a bit hot,but also.
It was like watching, it waslike watching adolescence.
Yes, it was.
All their weird male friendscome out and you're like, what
do you want to.
And then Miles' friend, Jimmy.
Yeah.
Okay.
And they all look like theybarely knew each other.
I know.
And thank fuck for Kalenactually having a mum that could
make it to Samoa.

(01:13:22):
Men aren't okay.
We need to get men talking.
Men's shed.
We need a men's shed situation.
We need a black dog men's shed.
I thought Miles was going tohave someone way more camp than
his friend.
He must be like a D&D friend,you know, not a pole dancing
friend.
It was giving larp.
Yeah, LARP energy.
There was some LARPing goingon.
Yeah, there was the LARP of itall.
Yeah.
My favourite bit in thatchallenge was when Caelan was

(01:13:43):
just like, because the mum wasthere being like,

Intro (01:13:46):
oh, you know,

go Caelan.
And he's like,

Intro (01:13:49):
oh, mum,

I'm actually not going to talk right now.
Oh, Caelan was regressingbefore our eyes.
He was like, mummy, I can'ttalk right now.
He's like, we're not doingtalking, mummy.
And he just kind of likefocused and I was like, oh.
So weird.
I know.
This is...
And as a homosexual, I can'timagine not wanting to talk to
your mother at all times.
Yeah.
There's so much to talk about.

(01:14:10):
Exactly.
Yeah.
I would have been like...
Can you believe how I'm beingtreated?
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
What is, like, Aunt Jeanette upto?
Is she still being a bitch?
Like, the whole challenge wouldhave just been us, like,
bitching about people.
I also found it funny when theother guy's friend was saying
to, I think, AJ's mate was like,you should say something
encouraging.
And the friend was like...
Keep going, Miles! And it'slike, men can't talk.

(01:14:35):
It's so funny.
AJ just couldn't help himself,could he?
He was like...
I'm surprised his mate didn'tcome in and tell him his grandma
died or something.
Oh yeah, that stunt.
Because he'd already copiedeveryone else's fucking moves
from the show.
So I was a bit shocked by that.
He was very dull.
AJ was very annoying.
Yeah, so annoying.
And I loved him with his chatGPT empathy set to 100 being

(01:14:58):
like...
Look, so Caelan wins thechallenge.
And then he's like, Caelan,look, I know you have to pick
between me and Miles.
And I just think you shouldreally just like go with your
heart.
Do what your heart is tellingyou to do, Caelan.
Pick me.
It was so intense.
It was so manipulative.
It was really gaslighting.
It was gaslighting.
It was really gaslighting.
Yeah.

(01:15:19):
It was giving maps.
It was giving maps.
Go with your heart.
And there ain't no heart inSurvivor.
That's the whole point.
I literally...
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was just curious.
I just went because I wascurious.
I just wanted to know.
No, because you shouldn't havegone and you've lost me forever.
And then when we gagged that hepicked Miles?
Yeah, a little bit.

(01:15:40):
I was, like gagged in a goodway.
Yeah.
But also, let's be real, theshow had been telling us through
subtle editing cues from weekone that Miles was fucking
winning.
So it wasn't too much of ashock.
Well, I was happy that, I wasso happy that Miles was still
there at the end because I oftenthink that Australia's a bit
dull when it comes to likecutthroat competitions.

(01:16:01):
So I always like it when wedon't let the underdog win and
we actually let the person whofucking dominated win.
Yeah.
Especially when the personwho's dominating is a bisexual
pole dancing Asian man.
Yeah.
But Stunning.
Because it's a story less told.
There's no Banjo Patterson poemabout that.
As yet.
But let's get Shaddy GPT in onthe gear.

(01:16:22):
Dig him up! And I feel bad forAJ in a way.
I know I've been...
like ripping him to shreds allseason but I gotta say that jury
villa and that jury villa waslike those girlies were
everything I would give my leftleg to be in that jury villa
kicking with those girlies theyseem to like him so I'm like if

(01:16:45):
they like him I don't know maybehe's not that bad maybe he was
playing a character but what ischarm to a reality contestant
what is like I don't know abottom line to a reality
contestant I think he gave thema lot of ammo to use in like a a
real real and edit.
And they happily did it.
And I think he's happy aboutthat too.
Because we all know we're goingto see him again.

(01:17:07):
Oh, okay.
Because they're doing like abest of or something.
Yeah, that's what they call it.
Survivor best of.
Survivors, your best bits.
No, bitch, they're doingAustralia v.
The World, don't you know?
Who's coming back?
Who is the world in thisequation?
Oh my god, Shani! Yeah, well, Ipaid for a cameo from her.
She really delivered.
Did you actually?

(01:17:27):
Yes! What did you get her tosay?
Honey, my boy Oh my god.
And that's how poverty curedcancer.

(01:17:59):
Hang on, was it Shawnee orpoverty?
Huh?
Hang on, was it Shawnee orpoverty?
Shawnee.
Not poverty.
I want to hear from hispoverty.
No.
Well, they're about to becomethe same person when they girl
up.
You said Shawnee.
Is Parvati coming out here?
They're both on it.
Yes.
Okay, great.
I'm not the one combining them.
That was you.
Yeah, I know they're differentpeople.

(01:18:19):
In my fantasy, they are thesame person.
They're very beautiful.
Yeah, both of them.
So that's going to be fun.
They did tease a little promofor that during the end of this
one.
I've got to say, strange promo.
Like, I'm obviously so fuckingexcited about it.
Is it just Americans and someAustralians?
Like, who is the world?
I think because Jeff Probst islike trolling us.

(01:18:40):
They had to like chuck in a fewother people.
From what, like SurvivorGreece?
Yeah, legit.
There's someone from SurvivorFinland.
And I'm like, great.
Cool.
And do they speak English?
I fucking hope so, becauseotherwise JLP is going to be
like, what?
I do like how much they reallydo that.

(01:19:00):
Like his balls are getting alltangled.
Like they really know whatthey're doing.
Yeah.
It's so good.
Jeff Probst doesn't go low.
He doesn't work blue.
He's trying to at the momentand it's awkward.
Yeah.
Did you see that one?
Am I not the only one thatclocked that?
He made a ball joke recently,but it was like grandpa.
Don't come for our gig.

(01:19:20):
Yeah.
Stop trying to be JLP.
You could never.
I just love got nothing foryou.
Drop your baps.
Got nothing for you?
I love all the classics.
The one.
Yeah.
First things first.
Yeah.
Love it.
Yeah.
And it was pretty much alandslide win for Miles.
Yeah.
Which I wasn't expecting.
I thought more of them would belike, oh, Kaelin, little golden

(01:19:43):
retriever.
No, and I love that that didn'thappen.
Yeah.
Only Kristen, that dumb bitch,voted for Kaelin.
Oh, was she the blonde sort ofLisa Curry Kenny kind of
triathlete energy?
Yeah.
She was very Uncle Toby's oatsfor me.
Yeah.
She was giving mateship.
Yeah, she was giving mateshipand that ship has sailed, doll.
Yeah.
Now we want Asian bisexual poledancers.

(01:20:05):
Get with it.
Take your SPC somewhere else.
We don't want your wholesomestuff.
We want to see some hole.
Yeah.
We do.
We want the jungle rat.
We do.
And we got him.
How do you feel about thenicknames?
Look, I always get my earsprick up a little bit when, I
don't know, sometimes it justfeels a little racial and I get

(01:20:28):
a little uncomfy.
That was a bit awkward.
Yeah.
I always get a bit uncomfy whenthey give funny, mean nicknames
to people of differentcultures.
I go, eek.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was like when Benjamin Lawwas on a season and they were
like, oh, he's being so sneaky.
And I was like, excuse me?
You mean he's just like playingthe game that we're there to

(01:20:48):
play?
Well, I thought it was sneakywhen he said, I've written
multiple plays.
And I went, no, you haven't,doll.
I said the jury determined thatwas a lie.
Fucking hell.
Yeah, I mean, don't play in myculture.
I actually don't know where togo from this.
I'm just burning bridges for noreason.

(01:21:08):
Yeah.
Well, we've learned a lot thisevening.
We have.
Friends became enemies.
Enemies became friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's incredible.
And I think the real winner isBenjamin Law as always.
Fuck yeah.
We love that queen.
Yeah.
Ash Flanders, thank you somuch.
Thanks for having me.
For being here.
I would also like to thank allof you lovely people for joining

(01:21:30):
us this evening.
My lovely live audience.
Zelda Moon and Jean Litzer forour gorgeous drag race
discussion.
And everyone listening at home,thank you for your support.
I love you all so deeply.
Wow.
Do you edit this or is thisgoing to be all raw?

(01:21:53):
Oh, no, this is all going in.
Raw, unfiltered.
Yeah, okay, wow.
Let's go have a drink.
I was joking with everything Isaid.
Yeah, except for the part abouttying up Jojo Siwa.
Oh, absolutely.
You can put that on mytombstone.
Thank you, everyone.
Let's have another drink.

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