April 15, 2024 • 35 mins
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Turning down the volume on body slams, we shift gears to honor the life of DJ Mister Cee and his undeniable imprint on hip-hop culture. It's a moment of respect coupled with a critical look at how we remember icons, keeping their legacies alive without being overshadowed by their personal lives.
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Jeff (00:02):
yo yo yo.
Thank you for tuning in toanother episode of the culture.
It's been a little minute.
It's been probably what like amonth, since we we done dropped
something.
The fuck are you doing?
The y, the d, the I, the d.
It's diddy, no diddy.
No doubt we ain't talking aboutdiddy today, though I know,
(00:23):
shout out to the culture crewman staying loyal to us and
being patient.
You know we've had some.
No Diddy, no Diddy.
No doubt we ain't talking aboutDiddy today, though I know,
shout out to the Culture Crewman staying loyal to us and
being patient.
You know we've had some thingsgoing on in our personal lives
that prevented us from recording, but we're back.
We're going to try to floody'all with some content for the
next few weeks.
Check out the websitethecultureone, and real quick,
(00:45):
yo.
I know a lot of people don'tlike to read these days, but for
those of you who do, we got ablog on the website
thecultureone.
You know there's some contenton there.
There's some good articles thaty'all can read.
Again, for those that like toread, I don't know that many
people that do like to read thisgeneration doesn't fucking read
anymore.
Anthony (01:02):
That's not a ringing endorsement, it's for y'all that
like to read or can't read.
Jeff (01:07):
It's for the ones that like to read, because the ones
that don't are just going toignore that that public service
announcement.
You know what I mean?
No, because I have thisargument.
It's called action.
Anthony (01:15):
It's not that I have this argument with your sister.
She likes to read, right, and Itoo, but I tell her, I've never
, ever once in my entire lifeowned an ebook.
I can't listen to a book, Ihave to read it.
Jeff (01:26):
A lot of people I know don't read books, they just
listen to them, that's it andthey tell me to do that, and I'm
like I don't feel rightlistening to it, because I, you
know, like you're not going tolearn the words, you're not
going to expand your vocabularyby listening to somebody else
pronounce words for you, likeyou have to look at it.
Anthony (01:41):
I don't know, that's how I feel, like I gotta look at
the words, see how it's spelled, see what kind of context is
being used but maybe that's theidea in the path that you're
missing that some of the thingsthat you write, you should just
do an audio file of it and justlike do it that way lazy
motherfuckers it might make iteasy for us.
So sometimes you want to hear it, and so on, so forth.
It's like when someone's like,it's like when you're reading a
(02:03):
horoscope and then someone'stelling it to you like, yeah,
this shit easier, dog it hitsdifferent?
Yeah, like yo.
So what's happening with my sun, moon rising, my G, like I
ain't got to read through theshit, it just tells me.
So that might be an opportunityfor you.
Like, sometimes, if it comes toyour mind, like maybe just take
your phone, say it and thenlike play it back, like, eh, I
(02:23):
can type this out or I can justsend it off like that, let
people listen to it, never knowalright, man.
Jeff (02:28):
We're in April 2024.
A lot of things has happenedsince the last time we came on.
Cody finished his story.
Shout out to the AmericanNightmare Cody Rhodes I'm
wearing his daddy's t-shirt.
Anthony (02:42):
The American Dream, daddy that's still not the
greatest WrestleMania ever,though.
Jeff (02:47):
Probably not.
It's the best one in a longtime.
Anthony (02:52):
I wanted him to lose though.
Jeff (02:55):
Because you like them, villains.
Anthony (02:56):
No, I wanted him to lose and get it on Raw.
Jeff (02:58):
You like the villain to win.
Anthony (03:00):
No, I do like the villain to win.
Jeff (03:03):
It's like 50 Cent said I watch Gangsta Flicks and root
for the bad guy.
Anthony (03:06):
Turn it all in because the bad guy died.
Bad guy died but I'd rather himwon in that Raw Because I
really want to piss those Phillyfans off, because WrestleMania
is for the casuals, the Rawafter WrestleMania is for the
hardcore fans.
Those are the ones that comeweek to week, watch all the
(03:29):
programming, go see like theroad shows, the house shows,
stuff like that.
Those are the ones that deserveto have that moment, not that
big ass stadium.
And the problem is that becauseit's in a stadium, actually two
people I know went to it andthey said the way it is on TV it
failed in comparison to how itsounded when those lights cut
(03:53):
off and Tigger came on as loudas it sounded like that.
They said it was worse, likeyou couldn't even hear.
It was deafening.
They said those lights cut out,they heard that gong and
everyone just screamed at thetop of their voice.
You couldn't hear nothing.
But the TV didn't get it assthrough.
But Monday I guess it was atWells Fargo, I'm guessing
smaller place, hardcore fans.
(04:15):
I'd rather him capture the beltthere in front of everybody and
kind of go full with that.
But was it good?
I think every match night twowas superior to night one.
There's no doubt about it.
But he got to finish the storyand, with all the shit going on
with them and Vince and his fuckshit, like y'all gotta go down
(04:40):
a different path and I'm gladthat it's this.
There's only one thing I don'tlike about Cody you ever seen a
cable guy?
Jeff (04:51):
Yes, plenty of time.
Anthony (04:53):
You know how he kind of like twerks like this.
Cody does that and it irritatesme.
I know, but it's like.
Jeff (05:01):
His mouth is always like funny because there's certain
words he can't say.
When he was talking to the Rockand the Rock said I'm going to
come back and I'm going to comesee you.
And he told the Rock I'mlooking forward to it, I'm
looking forward.
He couldn't even say the wordI'm looking forward to it.
But his dad spoke the same way.
Anthony (05:19):
Right, but he was this big husky country southern dude.
But he was this big huskycountry southern dude.
Everything he's trying to havehas some sauce on it.
It didn't make a difference.
Cody's trying to beprofessional, which is good.
It fits what they're trying todo.
Now I just want to see if he'sgoing to carry the crown,
(05:40):
because I know what you'resaying about bad guys.
But what Roman and him havebeen doing for the past two
years, three years, is trademagnate fee, that storyline, the
bloodline, everything that'swent along with it, that title
reign.
Of course he wasn't going tobreak Sam Martinez or Hogan's.
That's impossible.
That's a different style ofwrestling and no one wants to
wrestle that long.
No, but to have that storylinecarry pretty much professional
(06:03):
wrestling for the past threeyears, and now it's over.
And I don't think it's over,it's just going to go a
different route.
But kudos to everybody acrossthe board Rock, roman, cody,
triple H, seth, seth gave hisbody.
Once Seth is here, I'll be likeyo, cody, we gotta run that
fair one.
I'd have had your back for twomonths, bro.
(06:26):
I've been beat up.
You need to tie it immediately,son, asap, like we ain't doing
no tournament.
You give me a shot.
I had your back.
You owe me one.
Here's my one.
I'm cashing this in right now.
That was a great cashing byDamian Pierce.
Damian Priest, they mean priest,priest, priest.
I said Pierce.
Jeff (06:43):
On the interland.
He's been dubbed the bisexualundertaker and he's running with
that too.
He sees the comments and he'slike.
You know what I mean.
He's embracing that shit.
Anthony (06:50):
Hey look man, is he bisexual?
Jeff (06:52):
I don't know, I think he is, though.
Anthony (06:54):
Why?
Because we're making him dressup like that.
That mean you're bisexual, justkind of?
Jeff (07:02):
does he differ?
Anthony (07:02):
I'm not saying that offensively it just sounds that
way when you say it.
I've learned not to call no manfruity or gay or anything else
like that what about Diddy?
You call Diddy fruity no, he'sjust the diddler.
I don't even know what's goingon with that the diddler diddle
me this, like bruh, get the fuckwith me.
(07:24):
Sean Sean, move it, but that'sthe whole.
Like, diddle me this, like bruh, get the fuck with me.
Sean Sean, move it, but that'sthe whole.
But with that situation rightthere, I don't really want to
call nobody gay unless they are.
I don't want to call anybodybisexual unless they are,
because people like to say thatshit and they think that the
associative was that you know,as a perfect person's gay means
they soft.
Like nah, you got to rememberyou.
Like nah, you gotta rememberyou're calling a grown man gay
and that grown man still beatthe shit out of you.
(07:44):
Like, just cause they're gay,don't mean that all of a sudden
they don't know how to fight.
Matter of fact, if you're gay,you probably gotta fight more
than most regular dudes have tocause someone all trying to test
you because you gay.
Therefore, nah, I don't know ifhe is inflexible and Damien
Priest is like 6 foot 4 and 255pounds.
You're not the kind of dude youwant to check some bullshit
like that out your mouth.
(08:05):
I wouldn't want to do that.
But hey, mr Priest, nice tomeet you.
Boss, I want an autograph.
Say congratulations on your win.
And they had the wholeVignette's behind stage.
He's talking to the press.
Triple H hugs him, rock hugshim, taker hugs him.
They all appreciate what he did.
They think the world of God,they think he's good.
(08:26):
Wasn't he like a security guardfor them before?
Jeff (08:30):
I think so.
Anthony (08:31):
I swore it was like a first match.
A long time ago he was one ofthe black shirt security dudes.
Now he's a champ.
He can't beat that.
That's right.
Jeff (08:40):
Alright, man, let's move on to some more serious topics,
because we did lose.
We did lose two legendary, uh,figures, men, characters in the
past year, in the past weekrather, and I said legendary.
Both of them are legendary, butfor different reasons, and I'm
gonna start off with the firstone, and I'm talking about dj mr
(09:01):
c, who suddenly passed away,radio DJ, out of Brooklyn.
Our condolences to the family.
Anthony (09:14):
I remember him from High 97, and recently he was on.
Jeff (09:16):
The Block 94.7.
The question I'm going to askabout Mr C is what is he going
to be remembered for?
What is his legacy?
Is he going to be rememberedfor discovering Biggie, or is he
going, gonna and I'm you knowthis is gonna sound fucked up,
and again I don't mean nodisrespect or is he gonna be
known for that dj that got firedfrom hot 97 for solid because
of, you know, getting caughtsoliciting transgender
(09:37):
prostitutes on multipleoccasions?
You know, I'm saying it's a bigthing.
Does that tarnish his legacy inany way?
Anthony (09:46):
No, no, no Because you don't have the story of Big
without Mr C.
Right, like Big, everythingthat you have about his history,
everything about his life,everything regarding his career,
mr C is such an integral partof it you can't be like no, they
(10:08):
can't leave that part out,Because you don't have that
without him, without that timehe was a good DJ too.
Jeff (10:16):
Aside from all the other ones, he was a good DJ, but he
always played Biggie stuff.
He always made sure to repBiggie at the clubs, at the
party, on the station you wasalways going to get a little
Biggie medley, you know what I'msaying or he was going to
introduce a new Biggie song.
And for the longest time Ialways confused Mr C with Lil'
C's how Junior Mafia.
(10:37):
I don't know why, especiallyback in the day.
You know, we didn't really haveinternet or nothing and I, you
know, I didn't really.
You didn't see a lot ofpictures of either one, but they
were always getting shouted outby biggie right on interviews
and songs.
He would always shout outlittle c's or mr c, and the
names sound similar.
So I always confused the two.
I'm like which one is which?
(10:58):
So little c's was from thejunior mafia.
That was his best friend and mrc was the dj that discovered
him yes, two different.
Anthony (11:06):
So c discovered big big discover.
C's right.
Right, I can see I could be alittle bit of confusing through
line.
Um, I think that thetransgender, uh, the transsexual
thing is one of the overblownthings in hip-hop.
Like we just get way toointerested and excited talking
about who the fuck?
(11:27):
Somebody fucking Like I don't,I'm one of the people who just
doesn't care.
But I don't, it just alwaysbecomes a thing and I was always
like.
So Mr C likes transgenderprostitutes, I, I don't care,
like I don't care, I didn'treally think about it, I just
didn't.
So the man like prostitutesit's a lot of people out here
(11:48):
that like prostitutes.
Man like transgenderprostitutes it's a lot of people
out here that probably likethat too.
But just don't say anythingabout it.
He's having me a DJ on one ofthe highest rated stations in
New York City, which makes meone of the highest rated radio
stations in the world.
So they know that.
Everybody knows that Everyonemakes a joke about it.
He just didn't care.
He always seemed like a reallygood DJ.
(12:09):
He was the finisher, mr C.
He always had that midday mix.
He always was good at jazz.
He was always professional,always really, really, really a
great radio presence.
I'm not saying he's integral toHot 97, but he's integral to
(12:30):
Hot 97 at that time Because,like I said, that morning show
kept shifting.
Was 11 of them there?
Yeah, they was there for awhile.
Star and Buck Wilde was therefor a while.
They kept changing, but thoseDJs they stayed consistent yeah.
Angie was there, but he wasalways the consistent one and he
(12:51):
always had something good inhim.
And you know, the midday mixwas kind of hard to hear At noon
.
Yeah, I'm at fourth period Mixat noon.
I can't listen to this rightnow, but as you got older, you
take a like.
I'm at fourth period Mix thatdude.
Yeah, this is it now, but like.
But as you got older, like youknow, you take a lunch break
around, then you listen to radio.
You put that on.
It's so wonderful.
He was not like a a mixtape guyor I didn't, I didn't record.
Jeff (13:17):
He wasn't.
Anthony (13:17):
Clue.
He wasn't one of the peoplewhere, like I need to record
this or watch that.
It was, like you know, when youhad him on, you had a good time
.
So you know, rest in peace toMr C, absolutely.
Jeff (13:30):
Yep, and the other death that took place precisely this
week, a couple of days agoactually, I'm talking about OJ
Orenthal James Simpson.
Yeah, the guy who looks eerilylike my father.
It was a polarizing figure and,you know, in the wake of of his
death, I want to remember thethe trial, right, the oj simpson
(13:51):
trial, because you know, thattrial exposed america's racial
divide and it's 30 years later,it's almost to the day, 30 years
later.
Has anything changed, right?
Has anything really changed?
And I compare this to 9-11 andnot because, you know, I'm not
(14:14):
saying one was more tragic thanthe other, I'm just saying
there's two memorable, historicand polarizing and sad events
that transpired in Americanhistory that you remember, like
you know exactly where you wereat the time, right, like I could
tell you exactly what washappening during 9-11, I can
tell you exactly where I was andwhat I was doing and what was
(14:36):
happening during the oj trial.
It was 1994, it was may of 94and I was 10 years old, and the
only reason I remember preciselythe dates is because the New
York Knicks were in the NBAFinals against the Houston
Rockets, right?
So I'm watching, I'm 10 yearsold and I'm watching the NBA
Finals.
I'm watching Patrick Ewinghaving one of the best
(14:57):
performances of his entirecareer and then they cut it off.
They cut off the telecast toshow us the high-speed chase
between OJ and the white Broncoand the police Right, and it
wasn't even really a high-speedchase between oj and the white
bronco and the police right, andit wasn't even really a
high-speed chase.
High speed is a stretch yeah, itwas.
Anthony (15:13):
It was just a chase.
They were just following him, amoderately paced follow right,
like we're not breaking thespeed limit at all right.
Jeff (15:20):
Right, it was oj.
He was getting away with shit.
Was oj right?
They wasn't throwing down nospikes on the ground.
It wasn't trying to, you know,run him off the of the.
They wasn't throwing down orspikes on the ground.
They wasn't trying to run himoff the road.
They wasn't shooting at him.
It was OJ.
They was just following him,trying to figure out where he
was going.
Mr OJ, we need to have a wordwith you.
Anthony (15:39):
He going to the crib, he going home?
What the fuck man?
The thing that I remember aboutthat is that those people were
quick.
The thing that I remember aboutthat is that those people were
quick.
Those people got in thembridges with run OJ, run in
minutes boy.
Oh he on the freeway, oh we'regoing.
They got their marker likescribble that shit up right on
the freeway, hold them signs,run the juice is loose, run OJ.
(16:01):
I mean I'm hesitant to say restin peace, right, because
everything that's transpired ifanything you know, rest in peace
to the, to nicole, and no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
we're gonna do that all right.
Even in, even in death, peopledeserve dignity.
Just saying rest in peace,because whatever pertained and
(16:22):
followed before, this doesn'tmatter.
You're gone now that's At thispoint.
I hope you have peace from thispoint forward, wherever you may
end up.
Jeff (16:32):
A lot of people want to know if he confessed on his
deathbed Shit.
Anthony (16:37):
I ain't telling y'all nigga shit.
Jeff (16:38):
Ain't nobody confessing shit.
Anthony (16:39):
I ain't telling you shit when I'm alive.
I'm telling you, when I'm dead,confess what, but why?
You confess some shit.
We already know.
Jeff (16:50):
There was what, but I can confess some shit we already
know there was a lawyer orsomething.
I recently read that he saidthat he believes oj didn't
physically do it himself but hewas there, right like he either
hired the person that did itthey they mentioned some, it was
some, some killer, some serialkiller guy that had murdered a
bunch of people before and theysaying that you know, I guess he
was cool with him or he knewhim, or whatever he hired him.
Whatever the case he had, hewas there with him.
(17:11):
And then oj got scared or youknow there was a scuffle and oj
cut his hand or something.
So he ran out the door.
He was like fuck this, I'm out.
So he ain't actually stayed longenough to witness the actual
murder.
So in his mind oj believed thathe didn't do it.
Because he't do it?
Because he was there at thebeginning and then bailed and he
wasn't physically there whenthe shit actually happened, so
(17:33):
he ain't see the rest of theshit that transpired.
So he technically andphysically didn't do it himself,
but he had a hand in it and Ibelieve that.
Anthony (17:43):
OJ killed them people.
Let that shit go.
I don't give a fuck what nobodytalking about.
Jeff (17:47):
I was going to ask you, so he did it.
Did he do it or not?
Anthony (17:49):
Hell yeah, we know OJ did that shit.
We let that shit cook becausethe legal system is fucked
against black people.
We know OJ murdered people man,fuck all that.
Jeff (17:58):
One of the reasons and that's why I posed the question
has anything changed?
30 has anything changed?
Because we saw when the trialwas going on it was a lengthy
fucking trial and the newsstations had the split screen
Right.
They had the split screens withthe whites on one side waiting
for the verdict and then theyhad the blacks on the other side
waiting for the verdict and itwas a complete contrast when the
(18:20):
verdict was announced of notguilty, when they said not
guilty, you see the white sideall fucking distraught, crying,
pissed off, and you see the sidewith all the black folks happy
as hell.
Right, and it wasn't evenbecause they believed that he
didn't do it or whatever, or,like you said, the injustices,
but it was.
(18:40):
If you remember, the rodneyking shit had just happened not
too long before that, where thefour policemen fucked up rodney
king and then got off.
Anthony (18:49):
It's four people beating a man with a knife stick
talking about he resists arrest.
Jeff (18:53):
They fucked him up to within an inch of his life and
then they had the cops on trial,all white of course, and they
were all found not guilty, right.
So the African-Americancommunity was up in arms, uproar
, outraged.
So I felt like, in a way, thisOJ shit was like a payback.
(19:13):
Do you agree with that?
This is how they felt.
Like yo, this is just payback.
Not that we condone what he did, not that we're saying he's
innocent or not, but this isjust a win against the police
Because, also, remember, therewas some racistass cops in the
whole OJ shit.
Remember that shit, there was acop using the N-word and shit
like that.
Anthony (19:33):
Yeah, furman Furman, racist motherfucker, Is he
saying some wild shit?
Look, I always tell peopleain't no fun, when the rabbit
got the gun, it just ain't.
You can go rabbit hunting allday, get that rabbit shotgun
According to the dog pound.
Jeff (19:47):
ain't no fun if my homies can't have none.
Anthony (19:48):
Yeah, that's the story.
We need to have a whole partabout how the shit we used to
listen to was just wild, likethat's a whole story about
running a train Like dog.
Jeff (19:59):
But anyway, this was a victory for the African-American
community against the legalsystem, the judicial system, the
police.
Brutality that was going on andstill goes on today.
You know what I mean.
It's made it catch on more theracist.
You know racism that was goingon and still going on.
Anthony (20:20):
It changed a lot.
It changed television.
Yes, 95 million people watchedthat slow ride.
That's as many people that'swatched the Super Bowl.
Yes, that literally createdmany people that's watched the
Super Bowl.
Yes, that literally createdalmost like reality.
Jeff (20:31):
TV shows.
That was the beginning ofreality TV.
Anthony (20:34):
Yeah, and it's in a courtroom every day.
You have no idea what they'retalking about, but you would
come home and watch them talkabout legal jargon, all sorts of
other kinds of stuff.
This lawyer, that lawyer, judgeIto, no, clark Dar.
This lawyer, that lawyer, judgeEdo Clark Darvin all these
people, people you never heardof.
Now they become brand names,home names and they're lawyers
(20:55):
shit.
Honestly, that was the rise ofthe Kardashians.
That's the first time I've everheard of they pops Facts.
Unless you were in LA, youdidn't really know the
Kardashians like that.
Jeff (21:08):
30 years later, they're still getting asked about this.
Anthony (21:10):
From that.
We still want it if Khloe OJKid Facts.
Even if the DNA test said no.
Jeff (21:19):
There was a soap opera actor who recently called into
the Michael Kay show becausethey were talking about this
topic and he said that duringthat time his coworkers told him
this is going to be the end ofus, because they were switching
off of the soap operas to showthe OJ stuff, right, whether it
was the trial or the cars or thecar chase.
And you know, the 80s and early90s there was a lot of soap
(21:41):
operas.
There was like 10, 15, 18 soapoperas on TV.
Now there's only like what?
Two or three, you know Iremember, like General Hospital
and Days of Our Lives and shitlike that.
Anthony (21:52):
The main one.
Jeff (21:52):
The Classes of the Lair Right, but that's only like two
or three of them.
Anthony (21:55):
Right.
Jeff (21:56):
There was a whole bunch of them back then, but now people
are gravitating more towards thereality.
Tv, right, you go around,follow the cameras are following
people's lives and they sitdown in front of it and they
interview them.
You know it's dumb shit, butthat's what people are
gravitating to.
You know what I mean.
It's reality-based.
It's still bullshit and it'sscripted and fake, but it's
reality-based.
It's quick dosages of shit.
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You know what I mean?
Microwave era shit.
Quick 20 30 minute episodes,you get your fix it's so popular
with cheaper actors.
Anthony (22:25):
Right, it's still scripted.
We know how this is gonna endwe know how right, but.
Jeff (22:28):
But it makes you feel like you're seeing your, your, you
know, a glimpse of somebody'sreal life.
Right, correct?
Anthony (22:34):
but it's not that, but that wasn't, but that's the
whole thing.
But that's the courtroom wasn'tscripted like he's on trial for
his life.
These weren weren't actors,they were real professional
lawyers.
But the way they framed it,filmed it, cut it, it made it
seem like it's more actionpacked than it.
Is you ever been on jury duty?
Jeff (22:55):
Yes.
Anthony (22:56):
It's boring as fuck and it's not like you see on TV,
it's dull as shit.
They made that exciting for nogood reason.
Talk about legal terms.
They made that exciting for nogood reason.
Talking about legal terms,they're bringing out the glove.
They're talking about the bloodmarks, like okay, another
influence trial that the OJtrial had on today's society
period, we had zero fuckingunderstanding or reasoning or
(23:22):
idea of what DNA evidence is.
Now everybody thinks everythinginvolves DNA.
The man got his car stolen Y'everything involves DNA.
The man got his car stolenY'all got DNA.
The woman got her purse stolenY'all get DNA.
It doesn't work that way,goddammit.
Dna is not a thing like that.
We just like oh, we pop it onand off.
We know who's killing it.
Jeff (23:34):
Well, look at them fingerprints.
You better go through that carand find a strand of hair.
Anthony (23:38):
They introduced that Now, this, that now it's just
going wild.
Somebody steal your car.
You asking did y'all check thecar for fibers?
Is there any other hair therebesides mine?
No, you don't got that kind oftesting.
But that brought that to theforefront.
Where it's the thing now, whereeverything is now dna based,
and it brought out the idea of,like, who are our heroes?
(24:00):
Oj was a hero to a lot ofpeople Right Before that shit
happened.
He's one of the first blacklike sports.
Jeff (24:07):
It was transcending.
You know he crossed over.
You know what I'm saying.
Anthony (24:11):
The Hertz guy.
Jeff (24:13):
Good looking African-American athlete,
beloved by everybody, blacks andwhites, clean cut guy, you know
, could do no wrong actor.
And then this shit happensactor.
And then this shit happens.
And then he puts together thefucking Avengers of lawyer
squads, right With theKardashian, with Shapiro, with
Johnny Cochran.
And what was the Jewish dude?
There was one more Jewish dude.
(24:33):
I think he's the only onethat's still alive Alan
Dershowitz.
He's the only one alive, stillright, everybody else died of
that motherfucker.
I might go broke, but I ain'tgoing to jail, trust me.
And it was strategic whatCochran was doing, because he
made sure that, first of all, hemade sure that the majority of
the jurors were black.
Right, there was only two whitejurors.
Anthony (24:56):
Only two.
He knew how to weigh the scale.
Jeff (24:58):
And those were the only two jurors.
The two white ones were theonly two that kept saying he's
guilty.
Every other juror, who wasblack, was like nope, not guilty
, not guilty, not guilty.
And that's why the trial was solong, because they couldn't
convince the whites and theyfinally did.
At the end, the whites gotfucking tired of being, you know
, hidden away in a hotel forseveral months.
They're like fuck it, fine, notguilty, get us the fuck out of
here.
You know what I mean.
(25:20):
Otherwise that trial would havestill been going on today.
Who the fuck knows?
Anthony (25:22):
Honestly, it's the problem that you have with a
situation like this, and that'sthe thing.
Oj was moderately famous, notexplicitly famous, moderately,
like.
You knew him, but it's becauseyour parents knew him, because
he was a great running back.
Or your parents' parents knewhim.
(25:43):
No, let's go that way.
Your parents' parents knew himbecause he was a great running
back.
Or your parents' parents knewhim no, let's go that way.
Your parents' parents knew himbecause he was a great running
back.
Your parents knew him becauseprobably the guy from the Hertz
commercials, if he was black youknew him because he was in
Roots and he was in some othershit and if you like movies, it
was in the Naked Gun movies.
Jeff (25:56):
The Naked Gun, yeah Right, with Leslie Nielsen.
Anthony (25:59):
Right wasn't great, but he was a great.
I'm not going to lie.
He's probably in the top fiveof greatest running backs of all
time.
If you watch OJ run, I'm notlying, trust me.
But we're not talking about hisathletic ability.
We're talking about one night.
Two people One is ex-wife, oneis a guy he's dating Somehow end
up stabbed to death.
That there's a trail of bloodleading from where your
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ex-wife's home at least to yourcar, and then you go on a slow
speed chase.
It sounds kind of productivesaying it that way.
You go on a slow speed chase togo home.
Jeff (26:33):
Slow speed chase.
Anthony (26:34):
Yeah, slow speed chase to go home.
Then you go and try for allthose other things that are
going on and then in the end youget acquitted and everything's
fine.
But it's not fine, can you'snot fine?
Can you think that OJ wouldlive a quiet ass life after that
?
No, I think that's his biggestflaw his vanity.
Like he had to write a book,like I didn't do it, but if I
did, the fuck, you mean if youdid, sit your black ass down you
(26:58):
just beat a murder, rap yourhead, pressing the goddamn
button, and then you go to jailfor stealing your own shit.
I don't get it, though.
His legacy is complicated asfuck, but we don't want to admit
that, because some people arealways like they're going to
clown OJ.
But like the way I feel aboutit, I'm like I know OJ probably
(27:18):
did that shit, but, everythingbeing fair, fuck it.
And that's not being cavaliertowards the loss of life of two
other people is that you seepeople of color getting
railroaded by the system all thetime, getting convicted of
murder they didn't do, of drugdeals, that they had no part of
that, for crimes they didn'tcommit, that they were just
(27:40):
bullied and beaten intoconfessions to have them spend
their lives and ways in jail,and there's no recourse to
nothing that can be done aboutit.
So do I feel bad that peoplelost their lives.
Jeff (27:48):
Yeah.
Anthony (27:49):
Do I feel bad that OJ got off?
No, I don't.
I think it's fucked up thatthis is what we call justice in
our legal system, that a man Iobviously think is guilty
actually feel good about himgetting off for said crime.
But that's the kind of systemthat we built.
So when you talk about thelegacy of OJ Simpson, it's very
convoluted because there's a lotof things and a lot of ways
(28:10):
that people feel about him.
If you're black, you're goingto feel a particular way.
If you're white, you aredefinitely going to feel a
particular way.
But what do you do about it nowthat he's gone it?
But what do you do about it Nowthat he's gone?
It's hard to kind of discuss itin hindsight because it's like
especially the last couple ofyears he's been pretty quiet.
I mean, I've heard of himrecently because he's been on
(28:31):
the Is what it Is show with Camand him during the football
season.
He's an analyst, but they tooka capital at a risk, saying like
you know what, you know whatwe're going to do, we're going
to with OD Central, I don't know.
Now he's going like okay, sowhat kind of do you talk about
him?
As a kind of a low-key, apioneering black man or someone
(28:56):
who's known for the?
Jeff (28:56):
trial of the century.
And you know, if it don't fityou must acquit, right I?
Anthony (29:00):
mean, he tried it.
Jeff (29:04):
But the one takeaway from all of this shit is what I said
at the beginning.
Anthony (29:06):
Don't kill white women.
Jeff (29:08):
No, like the trial exposed the divide in the country and
all these years later, threedecades later, not much has
changed.
No, you know, you seepoliticians trying to buy you
know, the black vote and tryingyou know the black vote and
trying, you know, I mean tryingto put every news station.
It all damn near seems, everytime a black, you know man gets
(29:28):
killed by a police officer orsomething like that, you got the
news stations immediatelytrying to put, you know, whites
and blacks against each other,because that's what brings the
ratings right, and it feels likenothing really has changed.
You hear the rappers are stilltalking about this shit and they
rap songs just like pock was 30years ago police brutality and
all it is.
And we still hear you rappersare still talking about this
shit and they rap songs justlike Pac was 30 years ago Police
brutality and all of this.
And we still hear, you know, westill see the same shit, except
(29:48):
now.
The difference is that there'smore cameras now.
Right, everybody has asmartphone.
There's more cameras out on thestreets, everybody's a
journalist, everybody'srecording some shit.
So I feel like we see it evenmore now.
It's always existed, but we seeit more now and I think that's
you know, that's an embodiment,a microcosm.
The whole OJ Simpson's trialand the situation as a whole was
(30:09):
a whole microcosm of the stateof the country and to this day
it still holds true.
So that's you know.
I want to bring up his death aswell, but I wanted to talk
about the bigger picture thatthe whole his OJ Simpson had,
you know, had to do.
Anthony (30:24):
The bigger picture is you gotta be careful with these
white women.
I'm sorry to tell you that, butthat's how it go, brother.
Look you still have them.
Look what's homeboy.
Uh, what Uh, jonathan Majors.
Jeff (30:34):
Yep White woman.
Anthony (30:37):
They get.
They get a man a year probation.
He's cool.
I don't see his ass gettinghired no time soon.
Jeff (30:44):
Disney, I think, already dropped his ass, right yeah.
Anthony (30:49):
And I had this very discomforting conversation with
a black woman at the job.
She's like I really hate to saythis, but if he did that stuff
to a black woman no one wouldhave cared.
And I'm like I hate to say thatI agree with you.
I do Because I know they don'tprotect black women enough.
If that would have happened, itwould have been.
Jeff (31:04):
And that's a fact, Unless there was video footage, like
when Ray Rice punched his girlin the elevator.
There was video footage.
Everybody was ready to look theother way until the video
footage came out.
Then you'd be like, oh okay, wecan't ignore it.
Now, right, If there's no videofootage, they would have
ignored the shit.
Anthony (31:25):
The video footage of him was him putting her back
inside the fucking limousine andhim sprinting down the goddamn
street like he's Carl Lewis whenhe's trying to get away from
her.
It wasn't like he was crackingor something like that.
He picked her up, put herinside the car when he was just
sprinting down the street Funnything he was running looking
like fucking OJ in a Hertzcommercial, just hurdling shit
and that's the whole thing, thewhole thing.
Like you say that things havechanged, they haven't.
They define different ways topunish you.
(31:47):
Like OJ with Jonathan, theymake you pariahs, they make you
outcasts.
Remember before I said until itis what it is, you didn't hear
nothing and I mean reallynothing from OJ, because nobody
wanted anything to do with him.
No shows, no radio, no, nothing.
Sad.
It's probably going to happento anything that happened to
Jonathan Majors.
Unless somebody really wants totake a risk on him, it's going
(32:08):
to be a pariah.
We understand you did this.
We understand you got a person.
We understand you're cool.
We understand all things areclear.
We want nothing to do with you.
The thing that you want tolearn take from OJ Be
responsible for the things inyour life that are important and
keep yourself out of situationsthat are not.
If you're with someone, makesure you communicate.
Whatever it is clearly Asituation or problem that there
(32:31):
might be, make your life alittle bit easier.
If you don't, you might end upin a situation like this.
I'm not saying the lack ofconversation ended someone's
death.
I'm not saying the whole thingwas toxic and it just wasn't
healthy, that the idea of maybepaying someone to kill my
ex-wife would probably be betterthan letting her live Kind of
an issue in and of itself.
But, like I said, no matter howyou feel about him at this
moment, at this point you askthe person just to be at peace
(32:53):
from this point forward, becauseyou never know what this point
forward in their life afterdeath is going to proclaim.
So for OJ, obviously rest inpeace.
Jeff (33:04):
Rest in peace, orenthal James Simpson.
I hope his conscience was atpeace before he passed.
You feel me.
Anthony (33:12):
Who knows Shit?
I'm dead.
Jeff (33:15):
And rest in power to DJ.
Mr C man, the legendary.
That's going to be our showtoday, man.
Go in the show notes, man.
All the links is in there.
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I know a lot of people don'tlike to read these days, but for
those of you who do, we got ablog on the website
thecultureone.
You know there's some contenton there.
There's some good articles thaty'all can read.
Again, for those that like toread, I don't know that many
people that do like to read thisgeneration doesn't fucking read
anymore.
Anthony (01:02):
That's not a ringing endorsement, it's for y'all that
like to read or can't read.
Jeff (01:07):
It's for the ones that like to read, because the ones
that don't are just going toignore that that public service
announcement.
You know what I mean?
No, because I have thisargument.
It's called action.
Anthony (01:15):
It's not that I have this argument with your sister.
She likes to read, right, and Itoo, but I tell her, I've never
, ever once in my entire lifeowned an ebook.
I can't listen to a book, Ihave to read it.
Jeff (01:26):
A lot of people I know don't read books, they just
listen to them, that's it andthey tell me to do that, and I'm
like I don't feel rightlistening to it, because I, you
know, like you're not going tolearn the words, you're not
going to expand your vocabularyby listening to somebody else
pronounce words for you, likeyou have to look at it.
Anthony (01:41):
I don't know, that's how I feel, like I gotta look at
the words, see how it's spelled, see what kind of context is
being used but maybe that's theidea in the path that you're
missing that some of the thingsthat you write, you should just
do an audio file of it and justlike do it that way lazy
motherfuckers it might make iteasy for us.
So sometimes you want to hear it, and so on, so forth.
It's like when someone's like,it's like when you're reading a
(02:03):
horoscope and then someone'stelling it to you like, yeah,
this shit easier, dog it hitsdifferent?
Yeah, like yo.
So what's happening with my sun, moon rising, my G, like I
ain't got to read through theshit, it just tells me.
So that might be an opportunityfor you.
Like, sometimes, if it comes toyour mind, like maybe just take
your phone, say it and thenlike play it back, like, eh, I
(02:23):
can type this out or I can justsend it off like that, let
people listen to it, never knowalright, man.
Jeff (02:28):
We're in April 2024.
A lot of things has happenedsince the last time we came on.
Cody finished his story.
Shout out to the AmericanNightmare Cody Rhodes I'm
wearing his daddy's t-shirt.
Anthony (02:42):
The American Dream, daddy that's still not the
greatest WrestleMania ever,though.
Jeff (02:47):
Probably not.
It's the best one in a longtime.
Anthony (02:52):
I wanted him to lose though.
Jeff (02:55):
Because you like them, villains.
Anthony (02:56):
No, I wanted him to lose and get it on Raw.
Jeff (02:58):
You like the villain to win.
Anthony (03:00):
No, I do like the villain to win.
Jeff (03:03):
It's like 50 Cent said I watch Gangsta Flicks and root
for the bad guy.
Anthony (03:06):
Turn it all in because the bad guy died.
Bad guy died but I'd rather himwon in that Raw Because I
really want to piss those Phillyfans off, because WrestleMania
is for the casuals, the Rawafter WrestleMania is for the
hardcore fans.
Those are the ones that comeweek to week, watch all the
(03:29):
programming, go see like theroad shows, the house shows,
stuff like that.
Those are the ones that deserveto have that moment, not that
big ass stadium.
And the problem is that becauseit's in a stadium, actually two
people I know went to it andthey said the way it is on TV it
failed in comparison to how itsounded when those lights cut
(03:53):
off and Tigger came on as loudas it sounded like that.
They said it was worse, likeyou couldn't even hear.
It was deafening.
They said those lights cut out,they heard that gong and
everyone just screamed at thetop of their voice.
You couldn't hear nothing.
But the TV didn't get it assthrough.
But Monday I guess it was atWells Fargo, I'm guessing
smaller place, hardcore fans.
(04:15):
I'd rather him capture the beltthere in front of everybody and
kind of go full with that.
But was it good?
I think every match night twowas superior to night one.
There's no doubt about it.
But he got to finish the storyand, with all the shit going on
with them and Vince and his fuckshit, like y'all gotta go down
(04:40):
a different path and I'm gladthat it's this.
There's only one thing I don'tlike about Cody you ever seen a
cable guy?
Jeff (04:51):
Yes, plenty of time.
Anthony (04:53):
You know how he kind of like twerks like this.
Cody does that and it irritatesme.
I know, but it's like.
Jeff (05:01):
His mouth is always like funny because there's certain
words he can't say.
When he was talking to the Rockand the Rock said I'm going to
come back and I'm going to comesee you.
And he told the Rock I'mlooking forward to it, I'm
looking forward.
He couldn't even say the wordI'm looking forward to it.
But his dad spoke the same way.
Anthony (05:19):
Right, but he was this big husky country southern dude.
But he was this big huskycountry southern dude.
Everything he's trying to havehas some sauce on it.
It didn't make a difference.
Cody's trying to beprofessional, which is good.
It fits what they're trying todo.
Now I just want to see if he'sgoing to carry the crown,
(05:40):
because I know what you'resaying about bad guys.
But what Roman and him havebeen doing for the past two
years, three years, is trademagnate fee, that storyline, the
bloodline, everything that'swent along with it, that title
reign.
Of course he wasn't going tobreak Sam Martinez or Hogan's.
That's impossible.
That's a different style ofwrestling and no one wants to
wrestle that long.
No, but to have that storylinecarry pretty much professional
(06:03):
wrestling for the past threeyears, and now it's over.
And I don't think it's over,it's just going to go a
different route.
But kudos to everybody acrossthe board Rock, roman, cody,
triple H, seth, seth gave hisbody.
Once Seth is here, I'll be likeyo, cody, we gotta run that
fair one.
I'd have had your back for twomonths, bro.
(06:26):
I've been beat up.
You need to tie it immediately,son, asap, like we ain't doing
no tournament.
You give me a shot.
I had your back.
You owe me one.
Here's my one.
I'm cashing this in right now.
That was a great cashing byDamian Pierce.
Damian Priest, they mean priest,priest, priest.
I said Pierce.
Jeff (06:43):
On the interland.
He's been dubbed the bisexualundertaker and he's running with
that too.
He sees the comments and he'slike.
You know what I mean.
He's embracing that shit.
Anthony (06:50):
Hey look man, is he bisexual?
Jeff (06:52):
I don't know, I think he is, though.
Anthony (06:54):
Why?
Because we're making him dressup like that.
That mean you're bisexual, justkind of?
Jeff (07:02):
does he differ?
Anthony (07:02):
I'm not saying that offensively it just sounds that
way when you say it.
I've learned not to call no manfruity or gay or anything else
like that what about Diddy?
You call Diddy fruity no, he'sjust the diddler.
I don't even know what's goingon with that the diddler diddle
me this, like bruh, get the fuckwith me.
(07:24):
Sean Sean, move it, but that'sthe whole.
Like, diddle me this, like bruh, get the fuck with me.
Sean Sean, move it, but that'sthe whole.
But with that situation rightthere, I don't really want to
call nobody gay unless they are.
I don't want to call anybodybisexual unless they are,
because people like to say thatshit and they think that the
associative was that you know,as a perfect person's gay means
they soft.
Like nah, you got to rememberyou.
Like nah, you gotta rememberyou're calling a grown man gay
and that grown man still beatthe shit out of you.
(07:44):
Like, just cause they're gay,don't mean that all of a sudden
they don't know how to fight.
Matter of fact, if you're gay,you probably gotta fight more
than most regular dudes have tocause someone all trying to test
you because you gay.
Therefore, nah, I don't know ifhe is inflexible and Damien
Priest is like 6 foot 4 and 255pounds.
You're not the kind of dude youwant to check some bullshit
like that out your mouth.
(08:05):
I wouldn't want to do that.
But hey, mr Priest, nice tomeet you.
Boss, I want an autograph.
Say congratulations on your win.
And they had the wholeVignette's behind stage.
He's talking to the press.
Triple H hugs him, rock hugshim, taker hugs him.
They all appreciate what he did.
They think the world of God,they think he's good.
(08:26):
Wasn't he like a security guardfor them before?
Jeff (08:30):
I think so.
Anthony (08:31):
I swore it was like a first match.
A long time ago he was one ofthe black shirt security dudes.
Now he's a champ.
He can't beat that.
That's right.
Jeff (08:40):
Alright, man, let's move on to some more serious topics,
because we did lose.
We did lose two legendary, uh,figures, men, characters in the
past year, in the past weekrather, and I said legendary.
Both of them are legendary, butfor different reasons, and I'm
gonna start off with the firstone, and I'm talking about dj mr
(09:01):
c, who suddenly passed away,radio DJ, out of Brooklyn.
Our condolences to the family.
Anthony (09:14):
I remember him from High 97, and recently he was on.
Jeff (09:16):
The Block 94.7.
The question I'm going to askabout Mr C is what is he going
to be remembered for?
What is his legacy?
Is he going to be rememberedfor discovering Biggie, or is he
going, gonna and I'm you knowthis is gonna sound fucked up,
and again I don't mean nodisrespect or is he gonna be
known for that dj that got firedfrom hot 97 for solid because
of, you know, getting caughtsoliciting transgender
(09:37):
prostitutes on multipleoccasions?
You know, I'm saying it's a bigthing.
Does that tarnish his legacy inany way?
Anthony (09:46):
No, no, no Because you don't have the story of Big
without Mr C.
Right, like Big, everythingthat you have about his history,
everything about his life,everything regarding his career,
mr C is such an integral partof it you can't be like no, they
(10:08):
can't leave that part out,Because you don't have that
without him, without that timehe was a good DJ too.
Jeff (10:16):
Aside from all the other ones, he was a good DJ, but he
always played Biggie stuff.
He always made sure to repBiggie at the clubs, at the
party, on the station you wasalways going to get a little
Biggie medley, you know what I'msaying or he was going to
introduce a new Biggie song.
And for the longest time Ialways confused Mr C with Lil'
C's how Junior Mafia.
(10:37):
I don't know why, especiallyback in the day.
You know, we didn't really haveinternet or nothing and I, you
know, I didn't really.
You didn't see a lot ofpictures of either one, but they
were always getting shouted outby biggie right on interviews
and songs.
He would always shout outlittle c's or mr c, and the
names sound similar.
So I always confused the two.
I'm like which one is which?
(10:58):
So little c's was from thejunior mafia.
That was his best friend and mrc was the dj that discovered
him yes, two different.
Anthony (11:06):
So c discovered big big discover.
C's right.
Right, I can see I could be alittle bit of confusing through
line.
Um, I think that thetransgender, uh, the transsexual
thing is one of the overblownthings in hip-hop.
Like we just get way toointerested and excited talking
about who the fuck?
(11:27):
Somebody fucking Like I don't,I'm one of the people who just
doesn't care.
But I don't, it just alwaysbecomes a thing and I was always
like.
So Mr C likes transgenderprostitutes, I, I don't care,
like I don't care, I didn'treally think about it, I just
didn't.
So the man like prostitutesit's a lot of people out here
(11:48):
that like prostitutes.
Man like transgenderprostitutes it's a lot of people
out here that probably likethat too.
But just don't say anythingabout it.
He's having me a DJ on one ofthe highest rated stations in
New York City, which makes meone of the highest rated radio
stations in the world.
So they know that.
Everybody knows that Everyonemakes a joke about it.
He just didn't care.
He always seemed like a reallygood DJ.
(12:09):
He was the finisher, mr C.
He always had that midday mix.
He always was good at jazz.
He was always professional,always really, really, really a
great radio presence.
I'm not saying he's integral toHot 97, but he's integral to
(12:30):
Hot 97 at that time Because,like I said, that morning show
kept shifting.
Was 11 of them there?
Yeah, they was there for awhile.
Star and Buck Wilde was therefor a while.
They kept changing, but thoseDJs they stayed consistent yeah.
Angie was there, but he wasalways the consistent one and he
(12:51):
always had something good inhim.
And you know, the midday mixwas kind of hard to hear At noon
.
Yeah, I'm at fourth period Mixat noon.
I can't listen to this rightnow, but as you got older, you
take a like.
I'm at fourth period Mix thatdude.
Yeah, this is it now, but like.
But as you got older, like youknow, you take a lunch break
around, then you listen to radio.
You put that on.
It's so wonderful.
He was not like a a mixtape guyor I didn't, I didn't record.
Jeff (13:17):
He wasn't.
Anthony (13:17):
Clue.
He wasn't one of the peoplewhere, like I need to record
this or watch that.
It was, like you know, when youhad him on, you had a good time
.
So you know, rest in peace toMr C, absolutely.
Jeff (13:30):
Yep, and the other death that took place precisely this
week, a couple of days agoactually, I'm talking about OJ
Orenthal James Simpson.
Yeah, the guy who looks eerilylike my father.
It was a polarizing figure and,you know, in the wake of of his
death, I want to remember thethe trial, right, the oj simpson
(13:51):
trial, because you know, thattrial exposed america's racial
divide and it's 30 years later,it's almost to the day, 30 years
later.
Has anything changed, right?
Has anything really changed?
And I compare this to 9-11 andnot because, you know, I'm not
(14:14):
saying one was more tragic thanthe other, I'm just saying
there's two memorable, historicand polarizing and sad events
that transpired in Americanhistory that you remember, like
you know exactly where you wereat the time, right, like I could
tell you exactly what washappening during 9-11, I can
tell you exactly where I was andwhat I was doing and what was
(14:36):
happening during the oj trial.
It was 1994, it was may of 94and I was 10 years old, and the
only reason I remember preciselythe dates is because the New
York Knicks were in the NBAFinals against the Houston
Rockets, right?
So I'm watching, I'm 10 yearsold and I'm watching the NBA
Finals.
I'm watching Patrick Ewinghaving one of the best
(14:57):
performances of his entirecareer and then they cut it off.
They cut off the telecast toshow us the high-speed chase
between OJ and the white Broncoand the police Right, and it
wasn't even really a high-speedchase between oj and the white
bronco and the police right, andit wasn't even really a
high-speed chase.
High speed is a stretch yeah, itwas.
Anthony (15:13):
It was just a chase.
They were just following him, amoderately paced follow right,
like we're not breaking thespeed limit at all right.
Jeff (15:20):
Right, it was oj.
He was getting away with shit.
Was oj right?
They wasn't throwing down nospikes on the ground.
It wasn't trying to, you know,run him off the of the.
They wasn't throwing down orspikes on the ground.
They wasn't trying to run himoff the road.
They wasn't shooting at him.
It was OJ.
They was just following him,trying to figure out where he
was going.
Mr OJ, we need to have a wordwith you.
Anthony (15:39):
He going to the crib, he going home?
What the fuck man?
The thing that I remember aboutthat is that those people were
quick.
The thing that I remember aboutthat is that those people were
quick.
Those people got in thembridges with run OJ, run in
minutes boy.
Oh he on the freeway, oh we'regoing.
They got their marker likescribble that shit up right on
the freeway, hold them signs,run the juice is loose, run OJ.
(16:01):
I mean I'm hesitant to say restin peace, right, because
everything that's transpired ifanything you know, rest in peace
to the, to nicole, and no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
we're gonna do that all right.
Even in, even in death, peopledeserve dignity.
Just saying rest in peace,because whatever pertained and
(16:22):
followed before, this doesn'tmatter.
You're gone now that's At thispoint.
I hope you have peace from thispoint forward, wherever you may
end up.
Jeff (16:32):
A lot of people want to know if he confessed on his
deathbed Shit.
Anthony (16:37):
I ain't telling y'all nigga shit.
Jeff (16:38):
Ain't nobody confessing shit.
Anthony (16:39):
I ain't telling you shit when I'm alive.
I'm telling you, when I'm dead,confess what, but why?
You confess some shit.
We already know.
Jeff (16:50):
There was what, but I can confess some shit we already
know there was a lawyer orsomething.
I recently read that he saidthat he believes oj didn't
physically do it himself but hewas there, right like he either
hired the person that did itthey they mentioned some, it was
some, some killer, some serialkiller guy that had murdered a
bunch of people before and theysaying that you know, I guess he
was cool with him or he knewhim, or whatever he hired him.
Whatever the case he had, hewas there with him.
(17:11):
And then oj got scared or youknow there was a scuffle and oj
cut his hand or something.
So he ran out the door.
He was like fuck this, I'm out.
So he ain't actually stayed longenough to witness the actual
murder.
So in his mind oj believed thathe didn't do it.
Because he't do it?
Because he was there at thebeginning and then bailed and he
wasn't physically there whenthe shit actually happened, so
(17:33):
he ain't see the rest of theshit that transpired.
So he technically andphysically didn't do it himself,
but he had a hand in it and Ibelieve that.
Anthony (17:43):
OJ killed them people.
Let that shit go.
I don't give a fuck what nobodytalking about.
Jeff (17:47):
I was going to ask you, so he did it.
Did he do it or not?
Anthony (17:49):
Hell yeah, we know OJ did that shit.
We let that shit cook becausethe legal system is fucked
against black people.
We know OJ murdered people man,fuck all that.
Jeff (17:58):
One of the reasons and that's why I posed the question
has anything changed?
30 has anything changed?
Because we saw when the trialwas going on it was a lengthy
fucking trial and the newsstations had the split screen
Right.
They had the split screens withthe whites on one side waiting
for the verdict and then theyhad the blacks on the other side
waiting for the verdict and itwas a complete contrast when the
(18:20):
verdict was announced of notguilty, when they said not
guilty, you see the white sideall fucking distraught, crying,
pissed off, and you see the sidewith all the black folks happy
as hell.
Right, and it wasn't evenbecause they believed that he
didn't do it or whatever, or,like you said, the injustices,
but it was.
(18:40):
If you remember, the rodneyking shit had just happened not
too long before that, where thefour policemen fucked up rodney
king and then got off.
Anthony (18:49):
It's four people beating a man with a knife stick
talking about he resists arrest.
Jeff (18:53):
They fucked him up to within an inch of his life and
then they had the cops on trial,all white of course, and they
were all found not guilty, right.
So the African-Americancommunity was up in arms, uproar
, outraged.
So I felt like, in a way, thisOJ shit was like a payback.
(19:13):
Do you agree with that?
This is how they felt.
Like yo, this is just payback.
Not that we condone what he did, not that we're saying he's
innocent or not, but this isjust a win against the police
Because, also, remember, therewas some racistass cops in the
whole OJ shit.
Remember that shit, there was acop using the N-word and shit
like that.
Anthony (19:33):
Yeah, furman Furman, racist motherfucker, Is he
saying some wild shit?
Look, I always tell peopleain't no fun, when the rabbit
got the gun, it just ain't.
You can go rabbit hunting allday, get that rabbit shotgun
According to the dog pound.
Jeff (19:47):
ain't no fun if my homies can't have none.
Anthony (19:48):
Yeah, that's the story.
We need to have a whole partabout how the shit we used to
listen to was just wild, likethat's a whole story about
running a train Like dog.
Jeff (19:59):
But anyway, this was a victory for the African-American
community against the legalsystem, the judicial system, the
police.
Brutality that was going on andstill goes on today.
You know what I mean.
It's made it catch on more theracist.
You know racism that was goingon and still going on.
Anthony (20:20):
It changed a lot.
It changed television.
Yes, 95 million people watchedthat slow ride.
That's as many people that'swatched the Super Bowl.
Yes, that literally createdmany people that's watched the
Super Bowl.
Yes, that literally createdalmost like reality.
Jeff (20:31):
TV shows.
That was the beginning ofreality TV.
Anthony (20:34):
Yeah, and it's in a courtroom every day.
You have no idea what they'retalking about, but you would
come home and watch them talkabout legal jargon, all sorts of
other kinds of stuff.
This lawyer, that lawyer, judgeIto, no, clark Dar.
This lawyer, that lawyer, judgeEdo Clark Darvin all these
people, people you never heardof.
Now they become brand names,home names and they're lawyers
(20:55):
shit.
Honestly, that was the rise ofthe Kardashians.
That's the first time I've everheard of they pops Facts.
Unless you were in LA, youdidn't really know the
Kardashians like that.
Jeff (21:08):
30 years later, they're still getting asked about this.
Anthony (21:10):
From that.
We still want it if Khloe OJKid Facts.
Even if the DNA test said no.
Jeff (21:19):
There was a soap opera actor who recently called into
the Michael Kay show becausethey were talking about this
topic and he said that duringthat time his coworkers told him
this is going to be the end ofus, because they were switching
off of the soap operas to showthe OJ stuff, right, whether it
was the trial or the cars or thecar chase.
And you know, the 80s and early90s there was a lot of soap
(21:41):
operas.
There was like 10, 15, 18 soapoperas on TV.
Now there's only like what?
Two or three, you know Iremember, like General Hospital
and Days of Our Lives and shitlike that.
Anthony (21:52):
The main one.
Jeff (21:52):
The Classes of the Lair Right, but that's only like two
or three of them.
Anthony (21:55):
Right.
Jeff (21:56):
There was a whole bunch of them back then, but now people
are gravitating more towards thereality.
Tv, right, you go around,follow the cameras are following
people's lives and they sitdown in front of it and they
interview them.
You know it's dumb shit, butthat's what people are
gravitating to.
You know what I mean.
It's reality-based.
It's still bullshit and it'sscripted and fake, but it's
reality-based.
It's quick dosages of shit.
(22:18):
You know what I mean?
Microwave era shit.
Quick 20 30 minute episodes,you get your fix it's so popular
with cheaper actors.
Anthony (22:25):
Right, it's still scripted.
We know how this is gonna endwe know how right, but.
Jeff (22:28):
But it makes you feel like you're seeing your, your, you
know, a glimpse of somebody'sreal life.
Right, correct?
Anthony (22:34):
but it's not that, but that wasn't, but that's the
whole thing.
But that's the courtroom wasn'tscripted like he's on trial for
his life.
These weren weren't actors,they were real professional
lawyers.
But the way they framed it,filmed it, cut it, it made it
seem like it's more actionpacked than it.
Is you ever been on jury duty?
Jeff (22:55):
Yes.
Anthony (22:56):
It's boring as fuck and it's not like you see on TV,
it's dull as shit.
They made that exciting for nogood reason.
Talk about legal terms.
They made that exciting for nogood reason.
Talking about legal terms,they're bringing out the glove.
They're talking about the bloodmarks, like okay, another
influence trial that the OJtrial had on today's society
period, we had zero fuckingunderstanding or reasoning or
(23:22):
idea of what DNA evidence is.
Now everybody thinks everythinginvolves DNA.
The man got his car stolen Y'everything involves DNA.
The man got his car stolenY'all got DNA.
The woman got her purse stolenY'all get DNA.
It doesn't work that way,goddammit.
Dna is not a thing like that.
We just like oh, we pop it onand off.
We know who's killing it.
Jeff (23:34):
Well, look at them fingerprints.
You better go through that carand find a strand of hair.
Anthony (23:38):
They introduced that Now, this, that now it's just
going wild.
Somebody steal your car.
You asking did y'all check thecar for fibers?
Is there any other hair therebesides mine?
No, you don't got that kind oftesting.
But that brought that to theforefront.
Where it's the thing now, whereeverything is now dna based,
and it brought out the idea of,like, who are our heroes?
(24:00):
Oj was a hero to a lot ofpeople Right Before that shit
happened.
He's one of the first blacklike sports.
Jeff (24:07):
It was transcending.
You know he crossed over.
You know what I'm saying.
Anthony (24:11):
The Hertz guy.
Jeff (24:13):
Good looking African-American athlete,
beloved by everybody, blacks andwhites, clean cut guy, you know
, could do no wrong actor.
And then this shit happensactor.
And then this shit happens.
And then he puts together thefucking Avengers of lawyer
squads, right With theKardashian, with Shapiro, with
Johnny Cochran.
And what was the Jewish dude?
There was one more Jewish dude.
(24:33):
I think he's the only onethat's still alive Alan
Dershowitz.
He's the only one alive, stillright, everybody else died of
that motherfucker.
I might go broke, but I ain'tgoing to jail, trust me.
And it was strategic whatCochran was doing, because he
made sure that, first of all, hemade sure that the majority of
the jurors were black.
Right, there was only two whitejurors.
Anthony (24:56):
Only two.
He knew how to weigh the scale.
Jeff (24:58):
And those were the only two jurors.
The two white ones were theonly two that kept saying he's
guilty.
Every other juror, who wasblack, was like nope, not guilty
, not guilty, not guilty.
And that's why the trial was solong, because they couldn't
convince the whites and theyfinally did.
At the end, the whites gotfucking tired of being, you know
, hidden away in a hotel forseveral months.
They're like fuck it, fine, notguilty, get us the fuck out of
here.
You know what I mean.
(25:20):
Otherwise that trial would havestill been going on today.
Who the fuck knows?
Anthony (25:22):
Honestly, it's the problem that you have with a
situation like this, and that'sthe thing.
Oj was moderately famous, notexplicitly famous, moderately,
like.
You knew him, but it's becauseyour parents knew him, because
he was a great running back.
Or your parents' parents knewhim.
(25:43):
No, let's go that way.
Your parents' parents knew himbecause he was a great running
back.
Or your parents' parents knewhim no, let's go that way.
Your parents' parents knew himbecause he was a great running
back.
Your parents knew him becauseprobably the guy from the Hertz
commercials, if he was black youknew him because he was in
Roots and he was in some othershit and if you like movies, it
was in the Naked Gun movies.
Jeff (25:56):
The Naked Gun, yeah Right, with Leslie Nielsen.
Anthony (25:59):
Right wasn't great, but he was a great.
I'm not going to lie.
He's probably in the top fiveof greatest running backs of all
time.
If you watch OJ run, I'm notlying, trust me.
But we're not talking about hisathletic ability.
We're talking about one night.
Two people One is ex-wife, oneis a guy he's dating Somehow end
up stabbed to death.
That there's a trail of bloodleading from where your
(26:21):
ex-wife's home at least to yourcar, and then you go on a slow
speed chase.
It sounds kind of productivesaying it that way.
You go on a slow speed chase togo home.
Jeff (26:33):
Slow speed chase.
Anthony (26:34):
Yeah, slow speed chase to go home.
Then you go and try for allthose other things that are
going on and then in the end youget acquitted and everything's
fine.
But it's not fine, can you'snot fine?
Can you think that OJ wouldlive a quiet ass life after that
?
No, I think that's his biggestflaw his vanity.
Like he had to write a book,like I didn't do it, but if I
did, the fuck, you mean if youdid, sit your black ass down you
(26:58):
just beat a murder, rap yourhead, pressing the goddamn
button, and then you go to jailfor stealing your own shit.
I don't get it, though.
His legacy is complicated asfuck, but we don't want to admit
that, because some people arealways like they're going to
clown OJ.
But like the way I feel aboutit, I'm like I know OJ probably
(27:18):
did that shit, but, everythingbeing fair, fuck it.
And that's not being cavaliertowards the loss of life of two
other people is that you seepeople of color getting
railroaded by the system all thetime, getting convicted of
murder they didn't do, of drugdeals, that they had no part of
that, for crimes they didn'tcommit, that they were just
(27:40):
bullied and beaten intoconfessions to have them spend
their lives and ways in jail,and there's no recourse to
nothing that can be done aboutit.
So do I feel bad that peoplelost their lives.
Jeff (27:48):
Yeah.
Anthony (27:49):
Do I feel bad that OJ got off?
No, I don't.
I think it's fucked up thatthis is what we call justice in
our legal system, that a man Iobviously think is guilty
actually feel good about himgetting off for said crime.
But that's the kind of systemthat we built.
So when you talk about thelegacy of OJ Simpson, it's very
convoluted because there's a lotof things and a lot of ways
(28:10):
that people feel about him.
If you're black, you're goingto feel a particular way.
If you're white, you aredefinitely going to feel a
particular way.
But what do you do about it nowthat he's gone it?
But what do you do about it Nowthat he's gone?
It's hard to kind of discuss itin hindsight because it's like
especially the last couple ofyears he's been pretty quiet.
I mean, I've heard of himrecently because he's been on
(28:31):
the Is what it Is show with Camand him during the football
season.
He's an analyst, but they tooka capital at a risk, saying like
you know what, you know whatwe're going to do, we're going
to with OD Central, I don't know.
Now he's going like okay, sowhat kind of do you talk about
him?
As a kind of a low-key, apioneering black man or someone
(28:56):
who's known for the?
Jeff (28:56):
trial of the century.
And you know, if it don't fityou must acquit, right I?
Anthony (29:00):
mean, he tried it.
Jeff (29:04):
But the one takeaway from all of this shit is what I said
at the beginning.
Anthony (29:06):
Don't kill white women.
Jeff (29:08):
No, like the trial exposed the divide in the country and
all these years later, threedecades later, not much has
changed.
No, you know, you seepoliticians trying to buy you
know, the black vote and tryingyou know the black vote and
trying, you know, I mean tryingto put every news station.
It all damn near seems, everytime a black, you know man gets
(29:28):
killed by a police officer orsomething like that, you got the
news stations immediatelytrying to put, you know, whites
and blacks against each other,because that's what brings the
ratings right, and it feels likenothing really has changed.
You hear the rappers are stilltalking about this shit and they
rap songs just like pock was 30years ago police brutality and
all it is.
And we still hear you rappersare still talking about this
shit and they rap songs justlike Pac was 30 years ago Police
brutality and all of this.
And we still hear, you know, westill see the same shit, except
(29:48):
now.
The difference is that there'smore cameras now.
Right, everybody has asmartphone.
There's more cameras out on thestreets, everybody's a
journalist, everybody'srecording some shit.
So I feel like we see it evenmore now.
It's always existed, but we seeit more now and I think that's
you know, that's an embodiment,a microcosm.
The whole OJ Simpson's trialand the situation as a whole was
(30:09):
a whole microcosm of the stateof the country and to this day
it still holds true.
So that's you know.
I want to bring up his death aswell, but I wanted to talk
about the bigger picture thatthe whole his OJ Simpson had,
you know, had to do.
Anthony (30:24):
The bigger picture is you gotta be careful with these
white women.
I'm sorry to tell you that, butthat's how it go, brother.
Look you still have them.
Look what's homeboy.
Uh, what Uh, jonathan Majors.
Jeff (30:34):
Yep White woman.
Anthony (30:37):
They get.
They get a man a year probation.
He's cool.
I don't see his ass gettinghired no time soon.
Jeff (30:44):
Disney, I think, already dropped his ass, right yeah.
Anthony (30:49):
And I had this very discomforting conversation with
a black woman at the job.
She's like I really hate to saythis, but if he did that stuff
to a black woman no one wouldhave cared.
And I'm like I hate to say thatI agree with you.
I do Because I know they don'tprotect black women enough.
If that would have happened, itwould have been.
Jeff (31:04):
And that's a fact, Unless there was video footage, like
when Ray Rice punched his girlin the elevator.
There was video footage.
Everybody was ready to look theother way until the video
footage came out.
Then you'd be like, oh okay, wecan't ignore it.
Now, right, If there's no videofootage, they would have
ignored the shit.
Anthony (31:25):
The video footage of him was him putting her back
inside the fucking limousine andhim sprinting down the goddamn
street like he's Carl Lewis whenhe's trying to get away from
her.
It wasn't like he was crackingor something like that.
He picked her up, put herinside the car when he was just
sprinting down the street Funnything he was running looking
like fucking OJ in a Hertzcommercial, just hurdling shit
and that's the whole thing, thewhole thing.
Like you say that things havechanged, they haven't.
They define different ways topunish you.
(31:47):
Like OJ with Jonathan, theymake you pariahs, they make you
outcasts.
Remember before I said until itis what it is, you didn't hear
nothing and I mean reallynothing from OJ, because nobody
wanted anything to do with him.
No shows, no radio, no, nothing.
Sad.
It's probably going to happento anything that happened to
Jonathan Majors.
Unless somebody really wants totake a risk on him, it's going
(32:08):
to be a pariah.
We understand you did this.
We understand you got a person.
We understand you're cool.
We understand all things areclear.
We want nothing to do with you.
The thing that you want tolearn take from OJ Be
responsible for the things inyour life that are important and
keep yourself out of situationsthat are not.
If you're with someone, makesure you communicate.
Whatever it is clearly Asituation or problem that there
(32:31):
might be, make your life alittle bit easier.
If you don't, you might end upin a situation like this.
I'm not saying the lack ofconversation ended someone's
death.
I'm not saying the whole thingwas toxic and it just wasn't
healthy, that the idea of maybepaying someone to kill my
ex-wife would probably be betterthan letting her live Kind of
an issue in and of itself.
But, like I said, no matter howyou feel about him at this
moment, at this point you askthe person just to be at peace
(32:53):
from this point forward, becauseyou never know what this point
forward in their life afterdeath is going to proclaim.
So for OJ, obviously rest inpeace.
Jeff (33:04):
Rest in peace, orenthal James Simpson.
I hope his conscience was atpeace before he passed.
You feel me.
Anthony (33:12):
Who knows Shit?
I'm dead.
Jeff (33:15):
And rest in power to DJ.
Mr C man, the legendary.
That's going to be our showtoday, man.
Go in the show notes, man.
All the links is in there.
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Check out the website theculture peace.
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