April 18, 2022 • 45 mins
Take a deep dive into the wisdom of life's experiences with my dear friend, Stu Dodd. A combat veteran and a mentor that has guided me with his advice and unique perspective over the past decade. Stu's journey is packed with poignant lessons, fascinating insights, and a few shared chuckles along the way. Together, we revisit our shared pasts, and Stu shares his unique perspective on how to seize opportunities, strive for dreams, and create your own measure of success.
Stu’s life is a testament to the importance of service, the danger of being tied down by a mortgage, and the value of breaking free from mediocrity. We also delve into the significance of credibility and the power of attentive listening. As we embark on this journey with Stu, we uncover the potential for violence within each of us and discuss how to navigate this reality. This episode offers insights that could very well change your life.
We wrap up the episode by sharing some of the invaluable advice Stu would give to young people starting out in life. You won't want to miss this opportunity to gain some life-changing insights from Stu Dodd, a man of immense capability and resilience. Tune in for a conversation full of wisdom and hearty laughter.
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello everyone and welcome to the Curious Ulsterman
podcast.
The podcast is designed toequip you with the tools and
wisdom you need to for a personadult.
I'm your host, johnny aka theCurious Ulsterman, and today I'm
joined by my good friend, stuDodd.
Stu has been a friend of minefor the better part of a decade
and he has been very influentialin helping me become the man I
(00:31):
am today.
He has an absolutely incrediblelife story, from his time in
the army to where I met him inthe maritime industry, and today
we sit down to discuss the mostimportant life lessons that
he's learned along the way.
So, without further delay, hereis my conversation with my good
friend, stu Dodd.
Stu, welcome to the show,brother.
(00:53):
This has been months in themaking and I'm finally glad to
have you here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, you're starting to catch up with me, mate.
I'm sorry it's been so long.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, not at all.
I love the fact that, even withmodern technology, we can chat
often through WhatsApp and sharememes and stuff.
And then, yeah, every so often,we get this nice little thing
of we can chat somewhatvirtually or, when I'm in
England, see you face to facefor a pint.
But, man, I'm looking forwardto this conversation for ages.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's been too long and this is the first
experience I've ever had with apodcast.
So be gentle, darling, be verygentle.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, absolutely man.
Well it's interesting you saythat in the this is your first
ever podcast, because I thinkyou're such an incredible
character and I've known you forquite some time now and in the
same way that, like you're avery capable man and I'm going
to help guide you through thispodcast, I can't help but feel
(01:57):
you've guided me through mytwenties, because we know each
other from the maritime industryand I met you, I want to say,
11 years ago now, and then, eversince we've been on, you know
similar circles.
You've always been thatsomewhat guiding hand for me.
I feel so, in a way, I'mrepaying the favor, but at the
same time I think that I owe alot of my personal growth.
(02:19):
You know to you and Smudge aswell, who I haven't spoken to in
years.
Unfortunately, I keep me theother way.
See if he'll come on the show,but I don't know if he would.
I don't know if this is thiskind of thing.
Yeah it's all coming full circle, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That leads me to a story that I was thinking about
this morning.
Funny enough.
Do you remember when we firstmet?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We do.
Actually.
I remember they said this storya few times to a few people and
I said you know Stu Dawes, likeI met random people within our
circle and he goes, yeah, I knowStu and I go.
You know, the first time we methe stabbed me and I'm like what
, what it's like I don't know,he's giving me my vaccination,
(03:03):
yeah, but do you remember Swampy?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I do remember.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Swampy at the time.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, I do.
So this is my side of meetingyou.
I was working with Chris Marshand, as you know, chris is an
interesting individual Very nicelad, but interesting, should we
call it and he'd given you awatch because you weren't
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turning up in time.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And so he introduced me to you and showed me this
watch and so we got talkingabout the watch and what you
were doing and stuff like thatand then we kind of parted
company for a few months andthen I saw you again and said oh
, how's the watch doing?
And you looked at me and wentwho the hell are you?
I felt terrible.
(03:56):
Well, it gets better.
Then we met another time and Istarted talking to you again and
you gave me the same thing, butit was the third meeting where
we actually got the talk.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It was only when you said, oh yeah, remember that
time I stabbed you in sickbay, Iwent, oh yeah, I was like, oh,
I felt absolutely scondered.
I was like because I rememberwe had a great conversation in
sickbay and I left thinking whata great guy.
And then I just say I met youfor 10 minutes, didn't see you
again, I think for six, sevenmonths, and I'm terrible for
this.
There was a guy I worked with,the same place we were, and I
(04:36):
spent, I think, a good two orthree weeks with him on a job
and then I didn't see him forabout a year and a half.
And he's chatting away with melike he's known me forever and
I'm sat there like who are you?
I don't even know you.
I go right and normally it's theface of the name.
I'll recognize one or the other, but in this case I didn't
recognize both and he wasabsolutely lovely man.
(04:57):
He just looked at, he stoppedthe sort of conversation and he
just looked at you don'tremember who I am.
I'm so sorry to know.
But then he explained and wehad a good laugh Once.
He mentioned a couple of things.
I was like, oh no, I remember,yes, and then made him a cup of
tea.
Just sorry, paul.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
No, no worries from my and Johnny.
Each meeting was good as afirst.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, 100%.
You've got such an interestinglife story, which is why I've
brought you on.
Do you want to share with theaudience you know just a little
bit of your own personal storyand we can certainly discuss our
own experiences in the maritimeindustry, because there's no
shortage of that but just togive an audience a bit of a
flavor of who you are, Do youwant us to give a bit of a
(05:44):
background on yourself?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, before I start, mate, I just wanted to say how
good I think your podcasts are.
Oh, thank you man, I'velistened to them and so many
times you know, in the car andjust been saying, yes, that is
spot on.
You know, and I would compareyou to some of the ones that
you've actually talked about theRyan, the guy in the stoicism.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Oh right, holiday yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think yours are better.
I think he's very good.
Well, thank you very much.
Yours is rower and closer tothe bone, so I think you're
probably more realistic.
And there's not an advert every30 seconds as well, which?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
yeah, I'm trying to keep the podcast advert free,
but you know, shameless plug.
If you want to make a donationto help the podcast, I really
appreciate that, mate.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, thank you as well for mentioning me and one
of your podcasts.
I think understand why.
It's why I featured, and thankyou very much for the compliment
.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Oh yeah, that was my round table of mentors and
coaches.
You're at my imaginary roundtable of my advisors.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, it's that.
That was the first podcast I'veever listened to.
I didn't even know what apodcast was until you said I've
mentioned you, but thank youvery much, mate.
That's one of the nicestcompliments I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh well, you've been very good to me, stu.
So far I've returned the favor.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Just doing what I do, mate, Just doing what I do.
Okay, so me as a guy?
So I literally live opposite mychildhood school, oh well, so
that's kind of nostalgic in afact, and you see how small the
children are and you can'tbelieve you were that small.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Kind of as you see them, just don't believe that's
a possible thing.
I want to say that a wonderfulupbringing with two very loving
parents worked very hard, bothof them to give us everything we
wanted, so kind of, I would say, very privileged in a way of no
real hardship or anything likethat.
I didn't like being a child,that's, I think, just.
(07:59):
You know, I always wanted to begrown up or bigger or tougher
or yeah, I know the feeling.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I know the feeling.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know where.
You just want to be takenseriously because kind of, yeah,
maybe you want your own spaceor something like that.
But I don't think you grasp howprotected you are those kind of
years.
So, growing up, as you know,when you go through your awkward
teens I think maybe thein-betweeners is probably the
(08:27):
most accurate description ofmost young man's teens yeah,
saying stupid things, doingstupid things, you know.
You know, chatting a girl up bycommenting on her socks or
something like that and yeah,just doesn't work in you.
I can complete idiot, don't you?
So, yeah, kind of awkwardnessgoing through there.
(08:51):
Couple of part-time jobs I was aprojectionist one time, working
in cinemas.
Oh really, yeah, it was kind ofinteresting.
I was terrible at scratchingthe films quite a lot, you know.
But you know, when you're ayoung man and it's just incoming
money, then you don't reallygive a monkeys about it.
You know, first-time job Earlypart of my life I was in the
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forces, went across to Bosnia,did that war in about 95, 96.
That's not a great place to be.
It's a.
I equate that as a lifeexperience that you wouldn't
wish on anyone else, in a sensethat you see and hear and you
(09:35):
know, experience of horriblethings that maybe shape you as a
character.
But you know, maybe for thebetter, maybe for the worse.
I was very gung-ho before Iwent as a kind of as a young man
, but that place, if anything,taught me to understand what's
important, what's maybe not so.
(09:55):
Stuff that you originallythought was really important,
you could really trivialize andsay that don't matter.
You know, I have a watchword inmy world at the moment If
there's something reallypressing, the first question is
is anyone going to die becauseof it?
And if that answers no, thenokay, we've got time.
Then you know.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I like that philosophy.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, it's if you can step back.
I think you can make a betterassertion If you go in above the
top and you don't need to havethat kind of reaction or your
reaction is heavy duty and thenyou can wind back.
But you can't ever go, you know, if you've gone into too softly
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and it's gone wrong, kind ofstuff.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just very quickly on that because I don't want to
dwell on it.
But for anyone who'sconsidering joining the military
, do you have one bit of advicefor them?
Do you have any just words ofwisdom before we just move on to
the next part?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
of your story.
Military careers are vast andreally know what you want to do.
Because if you want to go shortterm and have fun, there's
regiments or places or you knowArmy, air Force, navy there's
jobs that you could do for three, four years, have it on your CV
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, have fun, see some interestingplaces.
But if you really want to makea career out of it, really do
your homework and know whatyou're joining.
You know, I think, because youroutcome, once you're in it,
it's hard to change and careeroffers will tell you something
totally different.
But by the same token, you know,get fit, enjoy it, you know,
(11:44):
take what you can from it asmany experiences you can, I
would argue my time in theforces and stuff like that has
probably given me, you know,this wisdom you're talking about
.
It's given me a lot ofopportunities and, in between
the forces and stuff like that,other jobs.
You know, all these things thatI've managed to do are through
(12:07):
age and probably through justbeing exposed to these different
things, so kind of, if it'soffered, suck it up, take it,
enjoy it, you know, and thenpass it on to somebody else.
You know, one of the things Ialways like to do is share
experiences with people so theycan go bloody hell.
That was great.
Thanks for showing me that.
(12:27):
And they'll take it onthemselves.
And I taught a mate recently tocompound bow shoot, so I love
archery and this guy was kind ofhesitant and he shot his first
arrow and it was almost perfect.
I didn't do a great do yourtutorage.
He was the natural in itself,but when he kind of got let's
(12:47):
call it a bullseye, the smile onhis face was enough payment
that I would teach that over andover again and that's quite
rewarding, I think.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, you know, there's a famous quote which I'm
not even going to attempt torepeat because it's very
intellectual, but it essentiallycomes up with the term that
essentially, life is service.
It's the act of serving othersthat makes life most rewarding.
I'll probably put up myInstagram stories to do
subscribe to the Instagram folks, and that's something I think
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that's definitely defined ourrelationship.
Like you've always been servingand it's well.
That's by teaching youngerpeople, like you're not an old
man but you know, in the case of, it's a case of you know,
you've taught me quite a fewthings and also just in your
general work and things likethat, you constantly are of
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service to people and I supposewith a military thing, you would
, I suppose, if you'd want tomake yourself as employable
afterwards, so maybe perhaps gointo a career that is easily
transferable and can get you ajob when you do eventually leave
the military.
Would that be correct?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, I think so.
I think that the skills thatyou can attain from there,
whether it be leadership,fitness or some kind of trade,
something like that, just makesperfect sense, isn't it why, if
you can not, I think young menare too young for school.
When they're doing the examsand stuff like that, I don't
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think they can apply themselvesas much as the girls do.
So I had a friend was mymother's friend a lady who said
men should leave school at 13,14 and grow up and then come
back at 18.
And then they really get whatthey need to do.
I think that's really true in asense that you know 13 year
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olds up to I don't know, 17, 18,probably need to sit on the
Xbox and get the highest scoreand then go OK, I'm ready now.
You know, that's not for all,obviously, but by the same token
I wasn't interested in theexams and things like that.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
No, that's always the way.
Yeah, hopefully I've had thisconversation before Nathan and
others that hopefully educationwill evolve to meet people's
needs.
Rather than you know it's 200years old or form of education
that needs to adapt.
But that's an entirely otherepisode and probably for a
teacher.
So he did some time in themilitary and then what came
(15:19):
after that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Joining the maritime industry.
I worked for bridge telecom aswell, so up holes and down holes
, that was quite interesting job.
If anything, it taught me a bitof DIY, using kind of
mechanical tools and stuff likethat and a little bit of wiring
stuff like that.
So that was you know.
(15:40):
I think that adds to yourconfidence and skill base so you
can kind of go on your ownproject or I don't know why are
a stereo into your own car andnot be afraid to do that stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, and I think that brings us up really to, I
want to say, the modern day.
But eleven years ago we, whenwe first met, yeah it was, it
was interesting.
I think we've we've sharedquite an interesting Experient.
Well, several interest,interesting experiences in the
maritime industry.
I don't think any.
I was about to say no, life atsea is boring, but I think it is
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a mixture of sometimes quitehigh adrenaline and sometimes
you know my numbing boringness.
But I would say, what do youthink was probably, what do you
think is probably the mostinteresting experience you've
had in the maritime industry?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think I'm the different trips where we've been
abroad I've been quite a mindbroadening and they some of the
places that we've seen.
You would argue you couldn'tjust go there or you know,
certainly in the way that we didremember in america, when I
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mean, some other chaps went upand quiet down that river for
three days yes, I still wish Icould have gone on that, but
just wasn't available time.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think I was doing a job and I wasn't available.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So you know, as you know, young men would often just
go for drinking, kind of spendall the wages just in the local
bars and stuff that.
But this trip was amazing inthe sense we hired these.
Can you in a place calleddarien and Can you on this river
called the ultimatum, and youknow the foreign, for you could
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see out there and you knowalligators on the side of the
banks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
you know just fantastic experience For that
out there yeah, is this a sandtrip where you thought you were
gonna get attacked byhillbilly's?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
they were like yeah you gotta have to tell the
audience this story, yeah sowe're in a hunting camp On the
side of a bank and about two,three o'clock in the morning we
had the soft thumb of aspeedboat and all of us had
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watched the film deliverance.
If you haven't watched it, do.
It's a battle of the banjo'sterritory.
So so three of us for thatstacy mentioned earlier reached
down into out of his sleepingbag and pulled out a little acts
you've been using for us tochop some wood.
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On my right side I had a KS Kbar US Marines fighting knife,
which I thought well, someone'sgonna get that if they even have
a go.
And the third guy, called gary,got deep in his sleeping bag
and hope that no one would find.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
If they can't see me, if I can't see it, the friend
doesn't exist.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, where was on this island?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I don't know if you yeah, I don't know if you
listen to my episode with Johnbull, the one of my meeting last
meeting Sasquatch, oh, yeah,yeah, yeah, I, just I, I throw.
I had a weapon.
I definitely would have drawnit just in case, but I didn't
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have anything.
So I went I'm dead, I'm justgonna die comfortably in the
same bike.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So yeah, it did remind me of that.
I I think it wasn't a Sasquatch, I think it was a natural
haggis.
Yeah, it's a sabre tooth haggis.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
What do you have for young people leaving school or
potentially leaving university?
And you know I, like it see,actually looks at somewhat
appealing, something a bitadventurous, what, what sort of
advice would you have for peopleconsidering that kind of career
?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I think Just it's going back to joining the forces
.
It's kind of grabbing everyopportunity you can in life to
kind of see and do differentthings.
The I loved your quote theother day about you have to be
foolish before you become wiseIn the sense of this.
You know you did tell me and Ikind of think, yeah, get these
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things out the way.
So I love these ideas of gapyears or all these kind of
things.
Obviously not everyone canafford that, but there are
things you can do that I justkind of open your eyes to
different things.
And you know, sit in an Xbox orwatching telly or drinking beer
isn't really gonna Broaden inthat sense.
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So I think you know, grab everyopportunity, can work hard To
get where you wanna be.
I've got friends that my age andyou know that they've achieved
nothing In the lives and theydon't own anything, not that
that's a marker of success.
But now they're looking backand say, look, I'm nearly fifty,
nothing to my name.
(21:15):
And you know I think I was alate start during success.
I've done loads of silly thingsand but never I wasn't
initially successful in anysense.
So I say to a lot of young ladsI work with don't be me.
You know they can push for ahigher position within the
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company's or wherever they work.
You know, don't become bound toa mortgage.
Where you are mortgages timeisn't it?
You're setting off and what isthis from your podcast?
But the you know if you've gota mortgage, you are giving a
certain amount of time to paythat back.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So yes, that was your guys that was our interview
with Dylan on building wealthand getting your first budget.
Yes, see the podcast work.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, yeah, such a point, in fact, isn't it?
So why not do that in relativecomfort, you know?
Just just be measured ineverything you do.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, well, just based off that statement you
said, statement you said I havethe sort of two questions I'd
like to sort of throw into theconversation.
Given your life experience,perhaps this is a very broad
question.
So answer is specific or asbroadly as you'd like.
But you know how would youDefine success of a young man or
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woman?
Came to you and says you knowwhat's your definition of
success?
Now, obviously you can apply itto individuals and go success
to one person zoning a Ferrariand success to another one is
having, you know, just, a happyand stable family.
But you know what, do you havea philosophy on success?
Or you know what do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I think success is purely gonna be as what you
define it, because you know, Ihave one got friend who he he
doesn't know a lot, but hisfamily life is lovely and they
do wonderful things together ona very small budget, but it's
exactly what they want.
I measure my own successsuccess by things I've managed
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to do.
You know, I'm kind of welltraveled and get to do all these
wonderful things like roadbikes, scuba dive and all these
kind of things I've been verylucky and fortunate to be able
to do.
So could, if my life were toend tomorrow and I had 30
minutes to look back and goright, how many box or a ticked
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here?
I think that would be my levelof success.
Was there anything missing thatI should have done?
And I think up until this point, there's not many things left
for me to do, apart from, youknow, provide my wife and
doggies the best lives they canhave.
(24:14):
And, kind of, you mentionedlife is serving just a while
back there, jordan Peterson kindof quote there, isn't it?
I think life is service.
It's a lovely way to look at it, because if you're not helping
someone else out in a way, whatare you doing?
So yeah, I kind of think if Ihad my half hour left to go now,
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I've pretty much ticked everybox.
So it's whatever.
You think that.
Have you ticked every box inyour life to get to where you
are?
You know, and if not, only youcan change that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, I really like that and I'm also happy for you
that you know you've in yourmind you've ticked most of the
or all boxes.
You know I've still got someway to go, but you know it
definitely gives me the kick upthe butt to, at least you know,
get after it and to you know, asyou would say, not sit and play
Xbox and rest in your laurels.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Like Marcus Aurelius?
Isn't it going to your stoicism?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh, yes, yeah, I'll be totally transparent.
The past sort of three or fourdays have been a real struggle
with the stoicism.
But I suppose you know it'snever going to be, it's never
going to be an easy ride.
I suppose that's the best timeto practice stoicism when you
really don't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So that's probably quite stoic in itself, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, I suppose it is.
You go back and talk for him.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You've reflected on it and therefore you're going to
act on it.
But that surely is stoicism inits humblest form.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah, a question I do want to ask
because you know, based on thestatistics of the podcast, you
know 70% of the audience aremale in Europe and, not to
discount, obviously, our ladyaudience, you know value every
single one of these.
But for young men who are stillyou're still trying to
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establish themselves in thisworld and they're still trying
to figure out who they are, isit as a kind of like a beacon,
if you know what I mean, whatwould be your definition of what
is a good man?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Good man, yeah, for me, honest, reliable, dependable
.
I want to say fit, because Ithink healthy body, healthy mind
, you know, I think if you'rephysically fit, you're mentally
fit and you're prepared to takeon things that some guys
(26:48):
wouldn't or girls wouldn't, youknow, girls are allowed fun too.
Yeah, I kind of.
I think if you think it's agood quality, you can't be wrong
in a way, you know, and anysingle quality that you could
deem worthwhile or you know,honesty goes a massive way,
(27:09):
doesn't it?
If you're continually honestand trustworthy and you wear
your heart and your sleeve andyou tell people I don't know
that you love them or that youappreciate them and stuff like
that, it goes a long way andpeople take you seriously.
Being a credible guy, I think,is good, you know, just being
(27:30):
credible, being a credible bloke, credible person, goes a long
way.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's something.
All of that was great.
But I think the blokesespecially and I'll be totally
transparent, you know I'vedesired this as well.
But what do you definecredibility?
Because we all, because blokesespecially, want to be seen as
credible in the eyes of theirpeers.
That you know, quote unquotethey could stand, and you know,
(27:58):
back in the day, in the shieldwall and they'd be counted on in
the modern times.
Can you be counted upon toprovide for your family, do your
bit for society?
So, in your mind, what do youmean by credibility Like, can
you expand upon it?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think it depends.
You've probably got credibilitywithin your family, haven't you
?
As in Johnny's doing well andJohnny's got his podcast going
and all these kind of wonderfulthings.
You know, I don't think youhave to explain to your family
about credible, because mostfamilies will love you, no
matter what, to your friends ifyou're the honest guy who is
(28:37):
selfless and is generous, youknow, not with money or things,
but with your time and just kindof listening to what people
have to say and just, I don'tknow, help them out when you can
.
You know, have a good analogyabout some of my old army mates
that you could ring them fromfrom any time of the day and say
(29:02):
let's two o'clock in themorning and a good old friend,
big old guy called SteveWilliams, whose forearms were
like my thighs, a ridiculouslystrong guy.
And if I rang him up at twoo'clock in the morning and said,
mate, I'm in prison but if youbail me out, they let me out
(29:23):
today.
But you're going to have tocome and collect me and it's a
right mate.
Where are you and how muchmoney do I need?
Ten thousand quid and I'm inAmerica.
Here you go.
All right, get the keys.
Get the keys and I'm on my way.
Obviously that's anoverstatement, but you should be
there for your friends.
(29:44):
A psychologist I really like aguy called Carl Rogers and he
talked about a client centeredapproach when he used to deal
with his patients and he used totalk about being there for
people and it's something you dovery well.
It's being in the present.
So when you're talking tosomeone, you are there and
(30:05):
you're listening, and it's clearthat you're there to listen to
what they have to say and yourresponses are quite measured.
And he was also a fan of beingcongruent, so that's kind of
meaning being super genuine withpeople, which is something that
you have.
And then his third thing wasunconditional positive regard,
(30:29):
and that is literally whatyou're doing now, because you
are listening to everything I'msaying and coming back to me
with it.
So if you can do that for yourfriends in their time of need,
or even if they just need toblow off some steam, arguably
that makes you a credible bloke.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I like that yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Princess.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Love you too.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, that's fantastic because I think as
well that, like to me, I regardyou as, like that, classic
gentleman, in that you have youramount of many skills and,
speaking frankly, you have thecapacity to do great violence on
someone.
You are, you're strong andcapable, you know, and I know,
like there was that one timeremember there was the judo we
(31:20):
did in.
Scotland and for a laugh, youhad three of us attack you at
once and within about 30 seconds, three of us were in a pile of
bodies on top of each other.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I did feel like that young Royal Marine who thought
he was a tough chap.
Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
him.
Yes, I do.
I think the eagle got hit a bitthere.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, Paulette, some old guy with a beard.
Yeah, I have been referred toas the gentleman thug before the
gentleman thug.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But that's interesting because I know that
you know I would class you asyou know, you have the capacity
for violence, but you choose notto, and that's, and instead you
choose to serve people and youchoose to be gentle with people
and genuine with people.
And you know, it's kind of likethat analogy of that old quote
(32:20):
about war, isn't it?
It's better to be, you know, awarrior in a garden than a
gardener in a war.
You know, and I think that if Iwas to give a quote, that would
, like, you know, be your quote.
But what you just said wasreally good, because being
credible, I think that, not somuch now, but I think there was
a time when blokes were expectedto just be hard on each other,
(32:41):
just to be, you know, bravadoand gung-ho, whereas there's a
time and a place.
I think that's the key, isn'tit?
There's a time and a place foreverything.
There's a time and a place tobe nothing but strong, to the
point, blunt, but then I thinkthere's a time for being kind
and gentle.
It was interesting.
I don't know if you ever heardthe study about.
(33:03):
There's this whole culturalphenomenon which is completely
wrong about the whole, likealpha male, wolf and all that
kind of thing.
I think everybody's heard of it.
But what a lot of people don'tknow is that the dude who
originally did that study hasspent the rest of his career
trying to debunk it, because hedid the whole, he studied.
He did genuinely study a wolfpack that was in captivity and
(33:26):
wolves in captivity actcompletely different to wolves
in the wild.
So the quote unquote alpha male, so to speak, in the wild is
the loving father of the pack,like he walks at the back of the
pack to make sure no one's leftbehind and is strong, capable
of extreme violence for findingoff another wolf pack, but is
(33:50):
the kind and loving fatherwithin the greater it's the
wrong word to use, but pride, ifyou will, because it's pride of
lions, but we'll say wolf pack,so to speak, as well.
And I think that there is a verydangerous thing in culture, I
think, to have this low wolfalpha male.
I don't give a crap whatanybody thinks about me and
being this hard ass, but forsomeone like yourself to say
(34:14):
that and I know you're a goodman and you're capable of
holding your own but the factthat you can say to younger
people, especially young men,and say, look, you don't have to
have the gung-ho, I'm a hardass.
I can't show any weakness oremotion for you to be able to
say that.
I think at least give somepeople not the permission but
(34:37):
the well, if this dude, who'sgot a ton of life experience
under his belt, is credible andwe can respect and listen to him
, can say that it kind of opensthe door, I feel.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I think you're allowed to be however you want
to be.
I come from a generation ofguys that don't talk about
things and I think that's okay.
But I think you should also beokay with if you want to talk
about it and it has some kind oftherapeutic effect.
(35:13):
Please do, and I think we'regetting better at it.
My initial military career wasliterally shut up.
Get on with it.
Have I suffered from it?
I think I do sometimes, but forme, I think I work through that
better on my own because I getit.
(35:35):
I get what I'm feeling.
I think I'm guilty of maybeother people being aware of it
and sometimes I might kind of gointo a dark place that is very
hard for me to go out on, but Idon't think I have the necessary
skills to vocalise it in a way.
But by the same token, yeah, I'mreally keen into people talking
(35:58):
and being able to take thatfirst step to your own self
recovery.
You mentioned going to therapyand I think it's probably very
much like what you experience.
You're probably nervous of itoriginally and that kind of
stigmatism of if you havetherapy, you're mad, or that
kind of old fashioned you knowstiff up a lip stuff is should
(36:22):
be well in the past and I'veworked with people
therapeutically quite a lot inmy life through some of the jobs
I've done and I've seen thebenefits, absolutely seen the
benefits, you know, and whetherwe baby steps with these people
take a long time to come toterms with whatever's kind of
(36:43):
ailing them, or some people I'venoticed turn around in a very
short space of time because, aswe kind of touched on back there
, if someone's prepared to sitdown and listen and really
listen, that they can just pickthemselves up from there.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, no, 100%.
I think listening.
Listening is a key, it's a very, it's a skill that's not
properly taught.
Something that reallychallenged me was, you know, do
you listen to reply or do youlisten to understand?
And that really challenged mebecause I was like, okay, we
naturally, I think, listen toreply, because obviously you
(37:19):
want to reply in a logical andcoherent way.
But you know, doing the latterlistening to understand requires
you to suspend your ego andjust be present with the person
and have empathy and things.
And I think that you know themore we can do that as blokes
and you know girls as well Ithink girls do a much better job
(37:40):
of it than blokes but I thinkthe more we can do that we're on
the right path and the we'recoming up on near the end of the
show, but a couple of finalquestions I do have for you.
Is you know, given the sumtotal of your life experience,
do you, what sort of advicewould you have for young people
(38:01):
leaving school and university?
They're neither quote unquoteadult.
They can do whatever they wantwhen they want, and their, their
whole life is ahead of them.
What, what advice would youhave before they set out on that
journey?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I think it's going back to this kind of life
experience thing.
See as many things as you cansee, do as many things as you
can do, you know.
Just don't have closed eyes.
Open your world up toeverything you can.
You know your life is going tobe ups and downs, you know.
(38:34):
But through some of theseexperiences, where they're
painful or good, that's how yougrow.
So just have a go at everything.
You may hate some of the thingsyou try out.
Let's say you try scuba divinglesson and that first experience
underwater is just vile for you.
At least you know what it'slike, you know.
Jump out of the plane, seewhat's thinking about that takes
(38:55):
you, you know.
Obviously with a parachute,that's yeah.
But yeah, don't be closed oranything.
Don't be closed to any ideas.
Never, ever be married to anidea that someone might come
along and come up with a basicfact that just blows you out the
water.
That's something you held, doyou for a long time.
(39:17):
You know.
Always be prepared to listen topeople because they might have
a much better idea on a subjectthan you.
Look after each other.
Don't sell service.
Just try and try and enjoywhatever you can and ride
through yeah, that makes abetter sense in my head yeah, no
(39:42):
, man, that was.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That was really good.
That was really good because,it's true, it's the kind of
thing I wish I heard when I was18, you know, and now I'm 29 and
, like now, I realize the valueof having experiences and
broadening my horizons, you knowyeah, I think the problem with
being young is you don't have,arguably, the disposal income
(40:06):
that you might have as you doget older.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
So some of the yeah, you know it shouldn't stop you
trying or looking.
You know, like, let's say, youcan do some of these events for
charity.
You know, find your way.
Yeah, don't don't closeyourself into a box.
Yeah, both physically andmentally yeah.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's going to be the title of the episode.
I think Nice, Very good, Johnnyget back in your box.
Yeah, or it's posh, or it'sposh what it used to say to me
when we're at sea get down yourroll.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Stow your dits rat, so as I remember your.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, and then it chased me around the engine room
where I saw his 40-spanner.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Still not as big as his hands.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh, fantastic, I could talk all day.
However, we're coming up on theend, but my final question to
you, stu, before we close out,is a question I ask every guest,
and I'd be very interested tohear what your answer is to this
.
What is a question you've neverbeen asked?
Not to hell.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
I have heard your guests kind of talk about this
one and I did muse on it andthinking, oh, what would I think
?
And sadly I'm not very clever.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
So I'll disagree, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I've never been asked .
You know, even though inpreparation I had a few things
running through my head, they'vecompletely gone.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Welcome to podcasting .
Yeah, that is the being ofevery podcaster.
It's like even there's two orthree things you said during our
conversation and I've gone.
I'm going to ask them aboutthat and I've completely
forgotten.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
You mostly had the unconditional positive regards,
I must say.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It can be funny or serious.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, oh funny, I'm probably got, probably
easier, but I kind of think ofanything witty now which is
unusual, but I can't come upwith something stupid.
I might have to get back to youon that.
One, mate, I have to write in.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Right, you know what.
That's the purpose of shownotes.
So I'm an inexperienced.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm afraid, my friend .
Speaker 2 (42:42):
No, no worries at all .
I just want to say thank you somuch, hugh, for coming on.
I've been looking forward tothis conversation since I
started the podcast a year and ahalf ago and we got back in
touch about.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I would say a year ago, when we were.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Unfortunately we couldn't meet up in person, but
no, we seem to be passing ships.
I mean, yeah, we do, I know,but I'm hoping that the next
time I'm in England and somewhatnear your neck of the woods we
can go out for that much overduepine.
And the first runs on me.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Oh, mate, that was wonderful.
Yeah, too bad.
Thanks very much for invitingme, mate.
I appreciate it.
I hope you've got what youwanted.
I'm a real advocate for yourpodcast.
I think it's amazing.
Thank you so much I appreciatethat.
I tell as many people as I canand I think they'll get
something from it.
Maybe not this one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I think we're on to a real winner with this one.
I mean, I'm just glad I got tohave a conversation with a
friend, a long overdueconversation.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Absolutely mate, Absolutely Far too long.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Once again, stu, thank you so much for coming on
and I'll hopefully have you backon sometime soon.
Yeah, take it easy, brother.
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(45:17):
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Speaker 1 (45:26):
Thanks for watching.
Hello everyone and welcome to the Curious Ulsterman
podcast.
The podcast is designed toequip you with the tools and
wisdom you need to for a personadult.
I'm your host, johnny aka theCurious Ulsterman, and today I'm
joined by my good friend, stuDodd.
Stu has been a friend of minefor the better part of a decade
and he has been very influentialin helping me become the man I
(00:31):
am today.
He has an absolutely incrediblelife story, from his time in
the army to where I met him inthe maritime industry, and today
we sit down to discuss the mostimportant life lessons that
he's learned along the way.
So, without further delay, hereis my conversation with my good
friend, stu Dodd.
Stu, welcome to the show,brother.
(00:53):
This has been months in themaking and I'm finally glad to
have you here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Yeah, you're starting to catch up with me, mate.
I'm sorry it's been so long.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
No, not at all.
I love the fact that, even withmodern technology, we can chat
often through WhatsApp and sharememes and stuff.
And then, yeah, every so often,we get this nice little thing
of we can chat somewhatvirtually or, when I'm in
England, see you face to facefor a pint.
But, man, I'm looking forwardto this conversation for ages.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, yeah, it's been too long and this is the first
experience I've ever had with apodcast.
So be gentle, darling, be verygentle.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
No, absolutely man.
Well it's interesting you saythat in the this is your first
ever podcast, because I thinkyou're such an incredible
character and I've known you forquite some time now and in the
same way that, like you're avery capable man and I'm going
to help guide you through thispodcast, I can't help but feel
(01:57):
you've guided me through mytwenties, because we know each
other from the maritime industryand I met you, I want to say,
11 years ago now, and then, eversince we've been on, you know
similar circles.
You've always been thatsomewhat guiding hand for me.
I feel so, in a way, I'mrepaying the favor, but at the
same time I think that I owe alot of my personal growth.
(02:19):
You know to you and Smudge aswell, who I haven't spoken to in
years.
Unfortunately, I keep me theother way.
See if he'll come on the show,but I don't know if he would.
I don't know if this is thiskind of thing.
Yeah it's all coming full circle, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That leads me to a story that I was thinking about
this morning.
Funny enough.
Do you remember when we firstmet?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
We do.
Actually.
I remember they said this storya few times to a few people and
I said you know Stu Dawes, likeI met random people within our
circle and he goes, yeah, I knowStu and I go.
You know, the first time we methe stabbed me and I'm like what
, what it's like I don't know,he's giving me my vaccination,
(03:03):
yeah, but do you remember Swampy?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I do remember.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Swampy at the time.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yes, I do.
So this is my side of meetingyou.
I was working with Chris Marshand, as you know, chris is an
interesting individual Very nicelad, but interesting, should we
call it and he'd given you awatch because you weren't
(03:31):
turning up in time.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
And so he introduced me to you and showed me this
watch and so we got talkingabout the watch and what you
were doing and stuff like thatand then we kind of parted
company for a few months andthen I saw you again and said oh
, how's the watch doing?
And you looked at me and wentwho the hell are you?
I felt terrible.
(03:56):
Well, it gets better.
Then we met another time and Istarted talking to you again and
you gave me the same thing, butit was the third meeting where
we actually got the talk.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
It was only when you said, oh yeah, remember that
time I stabbed you in sickbay, Iwent, oh yeah, I was like, oh,
I felt absolutely scondered.
I was like because I rememberwe had a great conversation in
sickbay and I left thinking whata great guy.
And then I just say I met youfor 10 minutes, didn't see you
again, I think for six, sevenmonths, and I'm terrible for
this.
There was a guy I worked with,the same place we were, and I
(04:36):
spent, I think, a good two orthree weeks with him on a job
and then I didn't see him forabout a year and a half.
And he's chatting away with melike he's known me forever and
I'm sat there like who are you?
I don't even know you.
I go right and normally it's theface of the name.
I'll recognize one or the other, but in this case I didn't
recognize both and he wasabsolutely lovely man.
(04:57):
He just looked at, he stoppedthe sort of conversation and he
just looked at you don'tremember who I am.
I'm so sorry to know.
But then he explained and wehad a good laugh Once.
He mentioned a couple of things.
I was like, oh no, I remember,yes, and then made him a cup of
tea.
Just sorry, paul.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
No, no worries from my and Johnny.
Each meeting was good as afirst.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh, 100%.
You've got such an interestinglife story, which is why I've
brought you on.
Do you want to share with theaudience you know just a little
bit of your own personal storyand we can certainly discuss our
own experiences in the maritimeindustry, because there's no
shortage of that but just togive an audience a bit of a
flavor of who you are, Do youwant us to give a bit of a
(05:44):
background on yourself?
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, before I start, mate, I just wanted to say how
good I think your podcasts are.
Oh, thank you man, I'velistened to them and so many
times you know, in the car andjust been saying, yes, that is
spot on.
You know, and I would compareyou to some of the ones that
you've actually talked about theRyan, the guy in the stoicism.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Oh right, holiday yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I think yours are better.
I think he's very good.
Well, thank you very much.
Yours is rower and closer tothe bone, so I think you're
probably more realistic.
And there's not an advert every30 seconds as well, which?
Speaker 2 (06:24):
yeah, I'm trying to keep the podcast advert free,
but you know, shameless plug.
If you want to make a donationto help the podcast, I really
appreciate that, mate.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, thank you as well for mentioning me and one
of your podcasts.
I think understand why.
It's why I featured, and thankyou very much for the compliment
.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Oh yeah, that was my round table of mentors and
coaches.
You're at my imaginary roundtable of my advisors.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, it's that.
That was the first podcast I'veever listened to.
I didn't even know what apodcast was until you said I've
mentioned you, but thank youvery much, mate.
That's one of the nicestcompliments I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Oh well, you've been very good to me, stu.
So far I've returned the favor.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Just doing what I do, mate, Just doing what I do.
Okay, so me as a guy?
So I literally live opposite mychildhood school, oh well, so
that's kind of nostalgic in afact, and you see how small the
children are and you can'tbelieve you were that small.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Kind of as you see them, just don't believe that's
a possible thing.
I want to say that a wonderfulupbringing with two very loving
parents worked very hard, bothof them to give us everything we
wanted, so kind of, I would say, very privileged in a way of no
real hardship or anything likethat.
I didn't like being a child,that's, I think, just.
(07:59):
You know, I always wanted to begrown up or bigger or tougher
or yeah, I know the feeling.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I know the feeling.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
You know where.
You just want to be takenseriously because kind of, yeah,
maybe you want your own spaceor something like that.
But I don't think you grasp howprotected you are those kind of
years.
So, growing up, as you know,when you go through your awkward
teens I think maybe thein-betweeners is probably the
(08:27):
most accurate description ofmost young man's teens yeah,
saying stupid things, doingstupid things, you know.
You know, chatting a girl up bycommenting on her socks or
something like that and yeah,just doesn't work in you.
I can complete idiot, don't you?
So, yeah, kind of awkwardnessgoing through there.
(08:51):
Couple of part-time jobs I was aprojectionist one time, working
in cinemas.
Oh really, yeah, it was kind ofinteresting.
I was terrible at scratchingthe films quite a lot, you know.
But you know, when you're ayoung man and it's just incoming
money, then you don't reallygive a monkeys about it.
You know, first-time job Earlypart of my life I was in the
(09:15):
forces, went across to Bosnia,did that war in about 95, 96.
That's not a great place to be.
It's a.
I equate that as a lifeexperience that you wouldn't
wish on anyone else, in a sensethat you see and hear and you
(09:35):
know, experience of horriblethings that maybe shape you as a
character.
But you know, maybe for thebetter, maybe for the worse.
I was very gung-ho before Iwent as a kind of as a young man
, but that place, if anything,taught me to understand what's
important, what's maybe not so.
(09:55):
Stuff that you originallythought was really important,
you could really trivialize andsay that don't matter.
You know, I have a watchword inmy world at the moment If
there's something reallypressing, the first question is
is anyone going to die becauseof it?
And if that answers no, thenokay, we've got time.
Then you know.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I like that philosophy.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, it's if you can step back.
I think you can make a betterassertion If you go in above the
top and you don't need to havethat kind of reaction or your
reaction is heavy duty and thenyou can wind back.
But you can't ever go, you know, if you've gone into too softly
(10:39):
and it's gone wrong, kind ofstuff.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Just very quickly on that because I don't want to
dwell on it.
But for anyone who'sconsidering joining the military
, do you have one bit of advicefor them?
Do you have any just words ofwisdom before we just move on to
the next part?
Speaker 1 (10:59):
of your story.
Military careers are vast andreally know what you want to do.
Because if you want to go shortterm and have fun, there's
regiments or places or you knowArmy, air Force, navy there's
jobs that you could do for three, four years, have it on your CV
(11:21):
, have fun, see some interestingplaces.
But if you really want to makea career out of it, really do
your homework and know whatyou're joining.
You know, I think, because youroutcome, once you're in it,
it's hard to change and careeroffers will tell you something
totally different.
But by the same token, you know,get fit, enjoy it, you know,
(11:44):
take what you can from it asmany experiences you can, I
would argue my time in theforces and stuff like that has
probably given me, you know,this wisdom you're talking about
.
It's given me a lot ofopportunities and, in between
the forces and stuff like that,other jobs.
You know, all these things thatI've managed to do are through
(12:07):
age and probably through justbeing exposed to these different
things, so kind of, if it'soffered, suck it up, take it,
enjoy it, you know, and thenpass it on to somebody else.
You know, one of the things Ialways like to do is share
experiences with people so theycan go bloody hell.
That was great.
Thanks for showing me that.
(12:27):
And they'll take it onthemselves.
And I taught a mate recently tocompound bow shoot, so I love
archery and this guy was kind ofhesitant and he shot his first
arrow and it was almost perfect.
I didn't do a great do yourtutorage.
He was the natural in itself,but when he kind of got let's
(12:47):
call it a bullseye, the smile onhis face was enough payment
that I would teach that over andover again and that's quite
rewarding, I think.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, you know, there's a famous quote which I'm
not even going to attempt torepeat because it's very
intellectual, but it essentiallycomes up with the term that
essentially, life is service.
It's the act of serving othersthat makes life most rewarding.
I'll probably put up myInstagram stories to do
subscribe to the Instagram folks, and that's something I think
(13:19):
that's definitely defined ourrelationship.
Like you've always been servingand it's well.
That's by teaching youngerpeople, like you're not an old
man but you know, in the case of, it's a case of you know,
you've taught me quite a fewthings and also just in your
general work and things likethat, you constantly are of
(13:41):
service to people and I supposewith a military thing, you would
, I suppose, if you'd want tomake yourself as employable
afterwards, so maybe perhaps gointo a career that is easily
transferable and can get you ajob when you do eventually leave
the military.
Would that be correct?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, I think so.
I think that the skills thatyou can attain from there,
whether it be leadership,fitness or some kind of trade,
something like that, just makesperfect sense, isn't it why, if
you can not, I think young menare too young for school.
When they're doing the examsand stuff like that, I don't
(14:17):
think they can apply themselvesas much as the girls do.
So I had a friend was mymother's friend a lady who said
men should leave school at 13,14 and grow up and then come
back at 18.
And then they really get whatthey need to do.
I think that's really true in asense that you know 13 year
(14:41):
olds up to I don't know, 17, 18,probably need to sit on the
Xbox and get the highest scoreand then go OK, I'm ready now.
You know, that's not for all,obviously, but by the same token
I wasn't interested in theexams and things like that.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
No, that's always the way.
Yeah, hopefully I've had thisconversation before Nathan and
others that hopefully educationwill evolve to meet people's
needs.
Rather than you know it's 200years old or form of education
that needs to adapt.
But that's an entirely otherepisode and probably for a
teacher.
So he did some time in themilitary and then what came
(15:19):
after that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Joining the maritime industry.
I worked for bridge telecom aswell, so up holes and down holes
, that was quite interesting job.
If anything, it taught me a bitof DIY, using kind of
mechanical tools and stuff likethat and a little bit of wiring
stuff like that.
So that was you know.
(15:40):
I think that adds to yourconfidence and skill base so you
can kind of go on your ownproject or I don't know why are
a stereo into your own car andnot be afraid to do that stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, and I think that brings us up really to, I
want to say, the modern day.
But eleven years ago we, whenwe first met, yeah it was, it
was interesting.
I think we've we've sharedquite an interesting Experient.
Well, several interest,interesting experiences in the
maritime industry.
I don't think any.
I was about to say no, life atsea is boring, but I think it is
(16:18):
a mixture of sometimes quitehigh adrenaline and sometimes
you know my numbing boringness.
But I would say, what do youthink was probably, what do you
think is probably the mostinteresting experience you've
had in the maritime industry?
Speaker 1 (16:36):
I think I'm the different trips where we've been
abroad I've been quite a mindbroadening and they some of the
places that we've seen.
You would argue you couldn'tjust go there or you know,
certainly in the way that we didremember in america, when I
(17:00):
mean, some other chaps went upand quiet down that river for
three days yes, I still wish Icould have gone on that, but
just wasn't available time.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I think I was doing a job and I wasn't available.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So you know, as you know, young men would often just
go for drinking, kind of spendall the wages just in the local
bars and stuff that.
But this trip was amazing inthe sense we hired these.
Can you in a place calleddarien and Can you on this river
called the ultimatum, and youknow the foreign, for you could
(17:38):
see out there and you knowalligators on the side of the
banks and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
you know just fantastic experience For that
out there yeah, is this a sandtrip where you thought you were
gonna get attacked byhillbilly's?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
they were like yeah you gotta have to tell the
audience this story, yeah sowe're in a hunting camp On the
side of a bank and about two,three o'clock in the morning we
had the soft thumb of aspeedboat and all of us had
(18:12):
watched the film deliverance.
If you haven't watched it, do.
It's a battle of the banjo'sterritory.
So so three of us for thatstacy mentioned earlier reached
down into out of his sleepingbag and pulled out a little acts
you've been using for us tochop some wood.
(18:34):
On my right side I had a KS Kbar US Marines fighting knife,
which I thought well, someone'sgonna get that if they even have
a go.
And the third guy, called gary,got deep in his sleeping bag
and hope that no one would find.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
If they can't see me, if I can't see it, the friend
doesn't exist.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
No, where was on this island?
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Yeah, I don't know if you yeah, I don't know if you
listen to my episode with Johnbull, the one of my meeting last
meeting Sasquatch, oh, yeah,yeah, yeah, I, just I, I throw.
I had a weapon.
I definitely would have drawnit just in case, but I didn't
(19:27):
have anything.
So I went I'm dead, I'm justgonna die comfortably in the
same bike.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
So yeah, it did remind me of that.
I I think it wasn't a Sasquatch, I think it was a natural
haggis.
Yeah, it's a sabre tooth haggis.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
What do you have for young people leaving school or
potentially leaving university?
And you know I, like it see,actually looks at somewhat
appealing, something a bitadventurous, what, what sort of
advice would you have for peopleconsidering that kind of career
?
Speaker 1 (20:08):
I think Just it's going back to joining the forces
.
It's kind of grabbing everyopportunity you can in life to
kind of see and do differentthings.
The I loved your quote theother day about you have to be
foolish before you become wiseIn the sense of this.
You know you did tell me and Ikind of think, yeah, get these
(20:32):
things out the way.
So I love these ideas of gapyears or all these kind of
things.
Obviously not everyone canafford that, but there are
things you can do that I justkind of open your eyes to
different things.
And you know, sit in an Xbox orwatching telly or drinking beer
isn't really gonna Broaden inthat sense.
(20:55):
So I think you know, grab everyopportunity, can work hard To
get where you wanna be.
I've got friends that my age andyou know that they've achieved
nothing In the lives and theydon't own anything, not that
that's a marker of success.
But now they're looking backand say, look, I'm nearly fifty,
nothing to my name.
(21:15):
And you know I think I was alate start during success.
I've done loads of silly thingsand but never I wasn't
initially successful in anysense.
So I say to a lot of young ladsI work with don't be me.
You know they can push for ahigher position within the
(21:38):
company's or wherever they work.
You know, don't become bound toa mortgage.
Where you are mortgages timeisn't it?
You're setting off and what isthis from your podcast?
But the you know if you've gota mortgage, you are giving a
certain amount of time to paythat back.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So yes, that was your guys that was our interview
with Dylan on building wealthand getting your first budget.
Yes, see the podcast work.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Yeah, yeah, such a point, in fact, isn't it?
So why not do that in relativecomfort, you know?
Just just be measured ineverything you do.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Yeah, well, just based off that statement you
said, statement you said I havethe sort of two questions I'd
like to sort of throw into theconversation.
Given your life experience,perhaps this is a very broad
question.
So answer is specific or asbroadly as you'd like.
But you know how would youDefine success of a young man or
(22:45):
woman?
Came to you and says you knowwhat's your definition of
success?
Now, obviously you can apply itto individuals and go success
to one person zoning a Ferrariand success to another one is
having, you know, just, a happyand stable family.
But you know what, do you havea philosophy on success?
Or you know what do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
I think success is purely gonna be as what you
define it, because you know, Ihave one got friend who he he
doesn't know a lot, but hisfamily life is lovely and they
do wonderful things together ona very small budget, but it's
exactly what they want.
I measure my own successsuccess by things I've managed
(23:30):
to do.
You know, I'm kind of welltraveled and get to do all these
wonderful things like roadbikes, scuba dive and all these
kind of things I've been verylucky and fortunate to be able
to do.
So could, if my life were toend tomorrow and I had 30
minutes to look back and goright, how many box or a ticked
(23:52):
here?
I think that would be my levelof success.
Was there anything missing thatI should have done?
And I think up until this point, there's not many things left
for me to do, apart from, youknow, provide my wife and
doggies the best lives they canhave.
(24:14):
And, kind of, you mentionedlife is serving just a while
back there, jordan Peterson kindof quote there, isn't it?
I think life is service.
It's a lovely way to look at it, because if you're not helping
someone else out in a way, whatare you doing?
So yeah, I kind of think if Ihad my half hour left to go now,
(24:38):
I've pretty much ticked everybox.
So it's whatever.
You think that.
Have you ticked every box inyour life to get to where you
are?
You know, and if not, only youcan change that.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, I really like that and I'm also happy for you
that you know you've in yourmind you've ticked most of the
or all boxes.
You know I've still got someway to go, but you know it
definitely gives me the kick upthe butt to, at least you know,
get after it and to you know, asyou would say, not sit and play
Xbox and rest in your laurels.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Like Marcus Aurelius?
Isn't it going to your stoicism?
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Oh, yes, yeah, I'll be totally transparent.
The past sort of three or fourdays have been a real struggle
with the stoicism.
But I suppose you know it'snever going to be, it's never
going to be an easy ride.
I suppose that's the best timeto practice stoicism when you
really don't feel like it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
So that's probably quite stoic in itself, isn't it?
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, yeah, I suppose it is.
You go back and talk for him.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
You've reflected on it and therefore you're going to
act on it.
But that surely is stoicism inits humblest form.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, yeah, a question I do want to ask
because you know, based on thestatistics of the podcast, you
know 70% of the audience aremale in Europe and, not to
discount, obviously, our ladyaudience, you know value every
single one of these.
But for young men who are stillyou're still trying to
(26:15):
establish themselves in thisworld and they're still trying
to figure out who they are, isit as a kind of like a beacon,
if you know what I mean, whatwould be your definition of what
is a good man?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
Good man, yeah, for me, honest, reliable, dependable
.
I want to say fit, because Ithink healthy body, healthy mind
, you know, I think if you'rephysically fit, you're mentally
fit and you're prepared to takeon things that some guys
(26:48):
wouldn't or girls wouldn't, youknow, girls are allowed fun too.
Yeah, I kind of.
I think if you think it's agood quality, you can't be wrong
in a way, you know, and anysingle quality that you could
deem worthwhile or you know,honesty goes a massive way,
(27:09):
doesn't it?
If you're continually honestand trustworthy and you wear
your heart and your sleeve andyou tell people I don't know
that you love them or that youappreciate them and stuff like
that, it goes a long way andpeople take you seriously.
Being a credible guy, I think,is good, you know, just being
(27:30):
credible, being a credible bloke, credible person, goes a long
way.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
That's something.
All of that was great.
But I think the blokesespecially and I'll be totally
transparent, you know I'vedesired this as well.
But what do you definecredibility?
Because we all, because blokesespecially, want to be seen as
credible in the eyes of theirpeers.
That you know, quote unquotethey could stand, and you know,
(27:58):
back in the day, in the shieldwall and they'd be counted on in
the modern times.
Can you be counted upon toprovide for your family, do your
bit for society?
So, in your mind, what do youmean by credibility Like, can
you expand upon it?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
I think it depends.
You've probably got credibilitywithin your family, haven't you
?
As in Johnny's doing well andJohnny's got his podcast going
and all these kind of wonderfulthings.
You know, I don't think youhave to explain to your family
about credible, because mostfamilies will love you, no
matter what, to your friends ifyou're the honest guy who is
(28:37):
selfless and is generous, youknow, not with money or things,
but with your time and just kindof listening to what people
have to say and just, I don'tknow, help them out when you can
.
You know, have a good analogyabout some of my old army mates
that you could ring them fromfrom any time of the day and say
(29:02):
let's two o'clock in themorning and a good old friend,
big old guy called SteveWilliams, whose forearms were
like my thighs, a ridiculouslystrong guy.
And if I rang him up at twoo'clock in the morning and said,
mate, I'm in prison but if youbail me out, they let me out
(29:23):
today.
But you're going to have tocome and collect me and it's a
right mate.
Where are you and how muchmoney do I need?
Ten thousand quid and I'm inAmerica.
Here you go.
All right, get the keys.
Get the keys and I'm on my way.
Obviously that's anoverstatement, but you should be
there for your friends.
(29:44):
A psychologist I really like aguy called Carl Rogers and he
talked about a client centeredapproach when he used to deal
with his patients and he used totalk about being there for
people and it's something you dovery well.
It's being in the present.
So when you're talking tosomeone, you are there and
(30:05):
you're listening, and it's clearthat you're there to listen to
what they have to say and yourresponses are quite measured.
And he was also a fan of beingcongruent, so that's kind of
meaning being super genuine withpeople, which is something that
you have.
And then his third thing wasunconditional positive regard,
(30:29):
and that is literally whatyou're doing now, because you
are listening to everything I'msaying and coming back to me
with it.
So if you can do that for yourfriends in their time of need,
or even if they just need toblow off some steam, arguably
that makes you a credible bloke.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I like that yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
Princess.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Love you too.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, that's fantastic because I think as
well that, like to me, I regardyou as, like that, classic
gentleman, in that you have youramount of many skills and,
speaking frankly, you have thecapacity to do great violence on
someone.
You are, you're strong andcapable, you know, and I know,
like there was that one timeremember there was the judo we
(31:20):
did in.
Scotland and for a laugh, youhad three of us attack you at
once and within about 30 seconds, three of us were in a pile of
bodies on top of each other.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
I did feel like that young Royal Marine who thought
he was a tough chap.
Do you remember?
Speaker 2 (31:39):
him.
Yes, I do.
I think the eagle got hit a bitthere.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, Paulette, some old guy with a beard.
Yeah, I have been referred toas the gentleman thug before the
gentleman thug.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But that's interesting because I know that
you know I would class you asyou know, you have the capacity
for violence, but you choose notto, and that's, and instead you
choose to serve people and youchoose to be gentle with people
and genuine with people.
And you know, it's kind of likethat analogy of that old quote
(32:20):
about war, isn't it?
It's better to be, you know, awarrior in a garden than a
gardener in a war.
You know, and I think that if Iwas to give a quote, that would
, like, you know, be your quote.
But what you just said wasreally good, because being
credible, I think that, not somuch now, but I think there was
a time when blokes were expectedto just be hard on each other,
(32:41):
just to be, you know, bravadoand gung-ho, whereas there's a
time and a place.
I think that's the key, isn'tit?
There's a time and a place foreverything.
There's a time and a place tobe nothing but strong, to the
point, blunt, but then I thinkthere's a time for being kind
and gentle.
It was interesting.
I don't know if you ever heardthe study about.
(33:03):
There's this whole culturalphenomenon which is completely
wrong about the whole, likealpha male, wolf and all that
kind of thing.
I think everybody's heard of it.
But what a lot of people don'tknow is that the dude who
originally did that study hasspent the rest of his career
trying to debunk it, because hedid the whole, he studied.
He did genuinely study a wolfpack that was in captivity and
(33:26):
wolves in captivity actcompletely different to wolves
in the wild.
So the quote unquote alpha male, so to speak, in the wild is
the loving father of the pack,like he walks at the back of the
pack to make sure no one's leftbehind and is strong, capable
of extreme violence for findingoff another wolf pack, but is
(33:50):
the kind and loving fatherwithin the greater it's the
wrong word to use, but pride, ifyou will, because it's pride of
lions, but we'll say wolf pack,so to speak, as well.
And I think that there is a verydangerous thing in culture, I
think, to have this low wolfalpha male.
I don't give a crap whatanybody thinks about me and
being this hard ass, but forsomeone like yourself to say
(34:14):
that and I know you're a goodman and you're capable of
holding your own but the factthat you can say to younger
people, especially young men,and say, look, you don't have to
have the gung-ho, I'm a hardass.
I can't show any weakness oremotion for you to be able to
say that.
I think at least give somepeople not the permission but
(34:37):
the well, if this dude, who'sgot a ton of life experience
under his belt, is credible andwe can respect and listen to him
, can say that it kind of opensthe door, I feel.
What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1 (34:51):
I think you're allowed to be however you want
to be.
I come from a generation ofguys that don't talk about
things and I think that's okay.
But I think you should also beokay with if you want to talk
about it and it has some kind oftherapeutic effect.
(35:13):
Please do, and I think we'regetting better at it.
My initial military career wasliterally shut up.
Get on with it.
Have I suffered from it?
I think I do sometimes, but forme, I think I work through that
better on my own because I getit.
(35:35):
I get what I'm feeling.
I think I'm guilty of maybeother people being aware of it
and sometimes I might kind of gointo a dark place that is very
hard for me to go out on, but Idon't think I have the necessary
skills to vocalise it in a way.
But by the same token, yeah, I'mreally keen into people talking
(35:58):
and being able to take thatfirst step to your own self
recovery.
You mentioned going to therapyand I think it's probably very
much like what you experience.
You're probably nervous of itoriginally and that kind of
stigmatism of if you havetherapy, you're mad, or that
kind of old fashioned you knowstiff up a lip stuff is should
(36:22):
be well in the past and I'veworked with people
therapeutically quite a lot inmy life through some of the jobs
I've done and I've seen thebenefits, absolutely seen the
benefits, you know, and whetherwe baby steps with these people
take a long time to come toterms with whatever's kind of
(36:43):
ailing them, or some people I'venoticed turn around in a very
short space of time because, aswe kind of touched on back there
, if someone's prepared to sitdown and listen and really
listen, that they can just pickthemselves up from there.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Yeah, no, 100%.
I think listening.
Listening is a key, it's a very, it's a skill that's not
properly taught.
Something that reallychallenged me was, you know, do
you listen to reply or do youlisten to understand?
And that really challenged mebecause I was like, okay, we
naturally, I think, listen toreply, because obviously you
(37:19):
want to reply in a logical andcoherent way.
But you know, doing the latterlistening to understand requires
you to suspend your ego andjust be present with the person
and have empathy and things.
And I think that you know themore we can do that as blokes
and you know girls as well Ithink girls do a much better job
(37:40):
of it than blokes but I thinkthe more we can do that we're on
the right path and the we'recoming up on near the end of the
show, but a couple of finalquestions I do have for you.
Is you know, given the sumtotal of your life experience,
do you, what sort of advicewould you have for young people
(38:01):
leaving school and university?
They're neither quote unquoteadult.
They can do whatever they wantwhen they want, and their, their
whole life is ahead of them.
What, what advice would youhave before they set out on that
journey?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
I think it's going back to this kind of life
experience thing.
See as many things as you cansee, do as many things as you
can do, you know.
Just don't have closed eyes.
Open your world up toeverything you can.
You know your life is going tobe ups and downs, you know.
(38:34):
But through some of theseexperiences, where they're
painful or good, that's how yougrow.
So just have a go at everything.
You may hate some of the thingsyou try out.
Let's say you try scuba divinglesson and that first experience
underwater is just vile for you.
At least you know what it'slike, you know.
Jump out of the plane, seewhat's thinking about that takes
(38:55):
you, you know.
Obviously with a parachute,that's yeah.
But yeah, don't be closed oranything.
Don't be closed to any ideas.
Never, ever be married to anidea that someone might come
along and come up with a basicfact that just blows you out the
water.
That's something you held, doyou for a long time.
(39:17):
You know.
Always be prepared to listen topeople because they might have
a much better idea on a subjectthan you.
Look after each other.
Don't sell service.
Just try and try and enjoywhatever you can and ride
through yeah, that makes abetter sense in my head yeah, no
(39:42):
, man, that was.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That was really good.
That was really good because,it's true, it's the kind of
thing I wish I heard when I was18, you know, and now I'm 29 and
, like now, I realize the valueof having experiences and
broadening my horizons, you knowyeah, I think the problem with
being young is you don't have,arguably, the disposal income
(40:06):
that you might have as you doget older.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
So some of the yeah, you know it shouldn't stop you
trying or looking.
You know, like, let's say, youcan do some of these events for
charity.
You know, find your way.
Yeah, don't don't closeyourself into a box.
Yeah, both physically andmentally yeah.
I like that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
That's going to be the title of the episode.
I think Nice, Very good, Johnnyget back in your box.
Yeah, or it's posh, or it'sposh what it used to say to me
when we're at sea get down yourroll.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
Stow your dits rat, so as I remember your.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, and then it chased me around the engine room
where I saw his 40-spanner.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Still not as big as his hands.
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Oh, fantastic, I could talk all day.
However, we're coming up on theend, but my final question to
you, stu, before we close out,is a question I ask every guest,
and I'd be very interested tohear what your answer is to this
.
What is a question you've neverbeen asked?
Not to hell.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
I have heard your guests kind of talk about this
one and I did muse on it andthinking, oh, what would I think
?
And sadly I'm not very clever.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
So I'll disagree, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
I've never been asked .
You know, even though inpreparation I had a few things
running through my head, they'vecompletely gone.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Welcome to podcasting .
Yeah, that is the being ofevery podcaster.
It's like even there's two orthree things you said during our
conversation and I've gone.
I'm going to ask them aboutthat and I've completely
forgotten.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
You mostly had the unconditional positive regards,
I must say.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
It can be funny or serious.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, oh funny, I'm probably got, probably
easier, but I kind of think ofanything witty now which is
unusual, but I can't come upwith something stupid.
I might have to get back to youon that.
One, mate, I have to write in.
Speaker 2 (42:34):
Right, you know what.
That's the purpose of shownotes.
So I'm an inexperienced.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
I'm afraid, my friend .
Speaker 2 (42:42):
No, no worries at all .
I just want to say thank you somuch, hugh, for coming on.
I've been looking forward tothis conversation since I
started the podcast a year and ahalf ago and we got back in
touch about.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I would say a year ago, when we were.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Unfortunately we couldn't meet up in person, but
no, we seem to be passing ships.
I mean, yeah, we do, I know,but I'm hoping that the next
time I'm in England and somewhatnear your neck of the woods we
can go out for that much overduepine.
And the first runs on me.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Oh, mate, that was wonderful.
Yeah, too bad.
Thanks very much for invitingme, mate.
I appreciate it.
I hope you've got what youwanted.
I'm a real advocate for yourpodcast.
I think it's amazing.
Thank you so much I appreciatethat.
I tell as many people as I canand I think they'll get
something from it.
Maybe not this one, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
I think we're on to a real winner with this one.
I mean, I'm just glad I got tohave a conversation with a
friend, a long overdueconversation.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
Absolutely mate, Absolutely Far too long.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
Once again, stu, thank you so much for coming on
and I'll hopefully have you backon sometime soon.
Yeah, take it easy, brother.
There you go, folks.
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Thank you very much and I hopeyou got value from the content I
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Speaker 1 (45:26):
Thanks for watching.
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