August 11, 2025 • 13 mins
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced Australia will recognise the state of Palestine at a meeting of the UN General Assembly in September.
It follows recent similar declarations by Canada, the UK, and France.
The decision also comes amid growing condemnation of Israel's plan to take over Gaza, announced last week. Today, we're breaking down what this recognition means.
Hosts: Billi FitzSimons and Sam Koslowski
Producer: Orla Maher
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the twelfth of August. I'm Sam Kauzlowski.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm beliefit.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Simon's Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi has announced Australia will recognize
the State of Palestine ash a meeting of the UN
General Assembly in September. It follows recent similar declarations by Canada,
the UK and France, and the decision also comes amid
growing condemnation of Israel's plan to take over Gaza announced
(00:40):
last week. On today's podcast, we're going to break down
what this recognition means, what the Prime Minister said yesterday,
and what happens from here. So, Billy, what exactly did
Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi announce yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, So, like you said, Sam, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
declared that Australia will formally recognize the State of Palestine
at a meeting of the UN General Assembly this September.
So they're just important to note that that doesn't mean
that this is immediately happening. It will happen in early
September when that meeting of all countries from across the
(01:17):
world will meet.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And that's an annual meeting of the General Assembly. It
happens at the UN headquarters in New York every single year,
and you can kind of think about this now as
a new agenda item that will be on that global meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, and so this is a hugely historic announcement, I
think it's fair to say. And it's obviously a departure
from Australia's previous stance, which had been to wait for
the beginnings of a two state solution to form between
the Israeli government and the Palestinian authority before recognizing a
Palestinian state. But what Anthony Alberinizi said in his press
(01:52):
conference yesterday was that he feels as though Australia can
no longer wait based on the current trajectory of the
common Here's a little bit of what he said today.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I can confirm that at the eightieth Session of the
United Nations General Assembly in September, Australia will recognize the
state of Palestine. Australia will recognize the ride of the
Palestinian people to a state of their own, predicated on
the commitments Australia has received from the Palestinian authority. A
(02:26):
two state solution is humanity's best hope to break the
cycle of violence in the Middle East and to bring
an end to the conflict, suffering and starvation in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Just to kind of give you a bit more of
an idea of what he said, and this is a
direct quote, he said, the toll of the status quo
is growing by the day, and it could be measured
in innocent lives. The world cannot wait for success to
be guaranteed. That only means waiting for a day that
will never come. Albanezi also mentioned the hostages in his
(03:00):
press conference yesterday. Now, of course, those are the hostages
that were taken on the seventh of October twenty twenty three,
when this latest conflict first started, and he said, we
want to see the hostages released. We wanted to see
the hostages never taken.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And to add some context there, the Israeli government says
that there are about twenty living hostages in Gaza, with
about another thirty bodies still to be returned. So that's
the state of play on what was announced yesterday. I
think an important part of this conversation is the practicalities
of it. So what does it actually mean when a
country recognizes another state.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, so when a country formally recognizes another state, it
acknowledges that state's independence and it accepts it as a
legitimate member of the international community. So this recognition typically
leads to establishing diplomatic relations between the two countries. So
here it means that the Australian government will have a
(03:54):
formal relationship with the Palestinian state, which will be governed
by the Palestinian authority. Now, something that I think is
interesting is that currently one hundred and forty seven of
the United Nations one hundred and ninety three members do
recognize Palestine as a state, So that is the vast
majority of countries. However, the US, which is Israel's closest ally,
(04:20):
and many of its allies. Many of the US's allies
do support a two state solution, which means that they
only plan to recognize Palestine after it reaches a negotiated
agreement with Israel. Now, like I said before, that was
Australia's stance. However, yesterday that changed with Prime Minister Anthony
(04:41):
Albanesi's announcement and.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
The important part of the US involvement is that the
US has a veto power on the UN's Security Council,
and the Security Council's recommendation is necessary for a state
to be admitted as a full member. So that's going
to be something to watch when the UN General Assembly
meets in September.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That is slightly different. So that doesn't change the fact
that Australia will formally recognize Palestine as a state.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Sure, so I guess that's more about the UN recognizing
the state of Palestine, got it, And so tell me
what the current situation is with Palestinian governance.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, so the Palestinian Authority currently governs some of the
West Bank, but her Maas runs Gaza.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Albanesi was very clear in his press conference yesterday in saying, quote,
there can be no role for the terrorists of Harmas
in a future Palestinian state. So he's saying Hermas needs
to be removed from Gaza in order for the Palestinian
Authority to step up, and that is one of the
preconditions of Australia recognizing Palestine as a state. Now, Albanesi
(05:45):
said that he had spoken to the President of the
Palestinian Authority, who he said has assured him that Harmas
would have no role in a future Palestinian state. Albanesi
also said, the Palestinian authority has reifferred. It recognizes Israel's
right to exist in peace and security, and it has
committed to demilitarize and to hold general elections.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So that was the announcement by Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi.
He made that announcement alongside the Foreign Minister Penny Wong.
We then heard from the opposition a couple of hours later,
how did they respond to this announcement.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They very quickly criticized this announcement, and that was led
by the shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor, who held a
press conference very quickly after Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi. Taylor
said the preconditions necessary for a lasting peace are not
in place. He said that those preconditions include a release
of hostages, the demilitarization of Hamas, and a commitment to
(06:44):
peaceful coexistence and agreed borders. Taylor also added, the risk
is that the government is putting the.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Cart before the horse, and if we zoom out a
bit and look at this as a global chain of
events over the past couple of weeks, Australia isn't the
only to have made this move. What's been happening in
the international arena in this context.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, you're right, this is not an isolated move. This
follows a string of other countries who have made similar moves.
So on the twenty fourth of July, French President Emmanuel
Macron declared his country would recognize Palestinian statehood, and that
meant that France became the first G seven nation to
announce plans to recognize a Palestinian state. Days after that announcement,
(07:29):
UK Prime Minister Kir Starmer said Britain would also recognize
the state of Palestine unless Israel meets certain conditions. In
terms of what those conditions were, he called for Israel
to quote end the appalling situation in Gaza, to agree
to a cease fire, and also to move towards a
(07:50):
two state solution. So the UK Prime Minister is saying
that if that doesn't happen, then the UK will recognize
the state of Palestine. And the day after that, the
day after the UK made that announcement, Canada announced that
it would recognize a Palestinian state. So Canada's PM Mark
Karney said the suffering of civilians in Gaza. Quote leaves
(08:13):
no room for delaying coordinated international action to support peace,
security and the dignity of human life. So there we
have three nations from the G seven all saying that
they will recognize the state of Palestine.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I did notice in now Benizi's press conference yesterday he
told the press of the number of international conversations that
he had had over the past couple of weeks with
a few of those names that you just mentioned, Billy
part of that kind of contact list that he had
flagged the idea. He had also revealed that Australia flagged
their move with the US ahead of time. And Albinizi
(08:50):
also said he had a conversation with Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Nenyahu. How has Israel responded to these announcements?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yes, so prior to who Australia making the announcement yesterday,
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nehna who had accused countries again
the three countries I was just talking about. He accused
those countries of rewarding harmas by recognizing Palestine. Now just
important to note that France, the UK, and Canada all
(09:19):
agree that harmas quote must play no role in the
future governance of Palestine. So obviously they dispute what Neenya
who is saying, and Albanesi also echoed those statements yesterday.
What also happened yesterday is that Nehna who actually directly
spoke about Australia, and he said that the possibility of
Australia recognizing Palestine was quote disappointing and actually shameful.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And this announcement comes at a particularly tense time in
the Middle East. Give me a sense of what the
latest is from Gaza.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, so late last week, the Israeli government approved a
plan to take control of Gaza. Now this came as
the UN had said that any plans for Israel to
take over Gaza would have quote catastrophic consequences for millions
of Palestinians and could further endanger the lives of the
remaining hostages in Gaza. Now, just before we move on,
(10:18):
every time we talk about this conflict, we do kind
of give context, and I think it's important again to
mention here that since the conflict began in twenty twenty three,
Israel has killed more than sixty thousand Palestinians. That's according
to data cited by the UN, and we know that
there is an ongoing humanitarian crisis and that much of
(10:39):
Gaza's population is right now experiencing famine. In the UN
statement that I just read out, they mentioned the hostages
in Gaza, and I also think it's interesting to point
out that the families of hostages have a similar perspective
to that of the UN, and they are strongly opposed
to an escalation of violence. They said in a statement
(11:02):
last week, Escalating the fighting is a death sentence, an
immediate disappearance for.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Our loved ones. So the other major news development out
of Gaza in the past twenty four hours, Billy, has
been the death of a number of Al Jazeera journalists
in the region. Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, So, early Monday morning here in Australia, it was
revealed that Israeli forces have killed five Al Jazeera journalists
in Gaza. Both Al Jazeera and the Israeli Defense Forces
confirmed those killings. Now, for anyone not familiar, Al Jazeera
is a news company that is based in the Middle
East and they have journalists in Gaza who have been
(11:40):
there throughout this conflict. The IDF has repeatedly alleged that
one of the journalists who were killed and now as Alcharif,
was a member of Hammas. However, the United Nations and
the Committee to Protect Journalists have denied those allegations by
the IDF that Alcherif was a member of HAMMA. And
(12:01):
I think it is important to note that under international
law it is a war crime to deliberately target journalists.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, so Billy, last question from me, Where does this
leave Australia in terms of its international position and how
do you see the next couple of months playing out.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, So, as we've gone over, Australia is clearly now
joining a growing number of countries recognizing Palestinian statehood, including
major allies like the UK, France and Canada. Another one
of Australia's key allies is the US, and this decision
does put Australia at odds with the US position, which,
(12:40):
like I said before, maintains that Palestinian statehood should only
come through direct negotiations with Israel. I think the timing
of the announcement, you know, amid Israel's planned takeover of
Gaza is very significant and it signals Australia's growing frustration
with the current t trajectory of the conflict, and Albanezi
(13:02):
said time and time again in yesterday's announcement that it
doesn't look like things are going to change, and so
this was Australia needing to take a.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Position on that an extremely complex issue that is now
destined for the flaws of the UN's General Assembly in
New York in September. Billy, thank you for walking us
through yesterday's announcement and that's all for today's deep dive.
We're going to be back in the afternoon with some headlines.
Until then, have a great Tuesday morning. My name is
(13:32):
Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkudin woman
from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast
is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl people and
pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations.
We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries,
both past and present.
Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the twelfth of August. I'm Sam Kauzlowski.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm beliefit.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Simon's Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi has announced Australia will recognize
the State of Palestine ash a meeting of the UN
General Assembly in September. It follows recent similar declarations by Canada,
the UK and France, and the decision also comes amid
growing condemnation of Israel's plan to take over Gaza announced
(00:40):
last week. On today's podcast, we're going to break down
what this recognition means, what the Prime Minister said yesterday,
and what happens from here. So, Billy, what exactly did
Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi announce yesterday?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, So, like you said, Sam, Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
declared that Australia will formally recognize the State of Palestine
at a meeting of the UN General Assembly this September.
So they're just important to note that that doesn't mean
that this is immediately happening. It will happen in early
September when that meeting of all countries from across the
(01:17):
world will meet.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
And that's an annual meeting of the General Assembly. It
happens at the UN headquarters in New York every single year,
and you can kind of think about this now as
a new agenda item that will be on that global meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, and so this is a hugely historic announcement, I
think it's fair to say. And it's obviously a departure
from Australia's previous stance, which had been to wait for
the beginnings of a two state solution to form between
the Israeli government and the Palestinian authority before recognizing a
Palestinian state. But what Anthony Alberinizi said in his press
(01:52):
conference yesterday was that he feels as though Australia can
no longer wait based on the current trajectory of the
common Here's a little bit of what he said today.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I can confirm that at the eightieth Session of the
United Nations General Assembly in September, Australia will recognize the
state of Palestine. Australia will recognize the ride of the
Palestinian people to a state of their own, predicated on
the commitments Australia has received from the Palestinian authority. A
(02:26):
two state solution is humanity's best hope to break the
cycle of violence in the Middle East and to bring
an end to the conflict, suffering and starvation in Gaza.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Just to kind of give you a bit more of
an idea of what he said, and this is a
direct quote, he said, the toll of the status quo
is growing by the day, and it could be measured
in innocent lives. The world cannot wait for success to
be guaranteed. That only means waiting for a day that
will never come. Albanezi also mentioned the hostages in his
(03:00):
press conference yesterday. Now, of course, those are the hostages
that were taken on the seventh of October twenty twenty three,
when this latest conflict first started, and he said, we
want to see the hostages released. We wanted to see
the hostages never taken.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
And to add some context there, the Israeli government says
that there are about twenty living hostages in Gaza, with
about another thirty bodies still to be returned. So that's
the state of play on what was announced yesterday. I
think an important part of this conversation is the practicalities
of it. So what does it actually mean when a
country recognizes another state.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah, so when a country formally recognizes another state, it
acknowledges that state's independence and it accepts it as a
legitimate member of the international community. So this recognition typically
leads to establishing diplomatic relations between the two countries. So
here it means that the Australian government will have a
(03:54):
formal relationship with the Palestinian state, which will be governed
by the Palestinian authority. Now, something that I think is
interesting is that currently one hundred and forty seven of
the United Nations one hundred and ninety three members do
recognize Palestine as a state, So that is the vast
majority of countries. However, the US, which is Israel's closest ally,
(04:20):
and many of its allies. Many of the US's allies
do support a two state solution, which means that they
only plan to recognize Palestine after it reaches a negotiated
agreement with Israel. Now, like I said before, that was
Australia's stance. However, yesterday that changed with Prime Minister Anthony
(04:41):
Albanesi's announcement and.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
The important part of the US involvement is that the
US has a veto power on the UN's Security Council,
and the Security Council's recommendation is necessary for a state
to be admitted as a full member. So that's going
to be something to watch when the UN General Assembly
meets in September.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
That is slightly different. So that doesn't change the fact
that Australia will formally recognize Palestine as a state.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Sure, so I guess that's more about the UN recognizing
the state of Palestine, got it, And so tell me
what the current situation is with Palestinian governance.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yes, so the Palestinian Authority currently governs some of the
West Bank, but her Maas runs Gaza.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Now.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Albanesi was very clear in his press conference yesterday in saying, quote,
there can be no role for the terrorists of Harmas
in a future Palestinian state. So he's saying Hermas needs
to be removed from Gaza in order for the Palestinian
Authority to step up, and that is one of the
preconditions of Australia recognizing Palestine as a state. Now, Albanesi
(05:45):
said that he had spoken to the President of the
Palestinian Authority, who he said has assured him that Harmas
would have no role in a future Palestinian state. Albanesi
also said, the Palestinian authority has reifferred. It recognizes Israel's
right to exist in peace and security, and it has
committed to demilitarize and to hold general elections.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
So that was the announcement by Prime Minister Anthony Alberzi.
He made that announcement alongside the Foreign Minister Penny Wong.
We then heard from the opposition a couple of hours later,
how did they respond to this announcement.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They very quickly criticized this announcement, and that was led
by the shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor, who held a
press conference very quickly after Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi. Taylor
said the preconditions necessary for a lasting peace are not
in place. He said that those preconditions include a release
of hostages, the demilitarization of Hamas, and a commitment to
(06:44):
peaceful coexistence and agreed borders. Taylor also added, the risk
is that the government is putting the.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Cart before the horse, and if we zoom out a
bit and look at this as a global chain of
events over the past couple of weeks, Australia isn't the
only to have made this move. What's been happening in
the international arena in this context.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, you're right, this is not an isolated move. This
follows a string of other countries who have made similar moves.
So on the twenty fourth of July, French President Emmanuel
Macron declared his country would recognize Palestinian statehood, and that
meant that France became the first G seven nation to
announce plans to recognize a Palestinian state. Days after that announcement,
(07:29):
UK Prime Minister Kir Starmer said Britain would also recognize
the state of Palestine unless Israel meets certain conditions. In
terms of what those conditions were, he called for Israel
to quote end the appalling situation in Gaza, to agree
to a cease fire, and also to move towards a
(07:50):
two state solution. So the UK Prime Minister is saying
that if that doesn't happen, then the UK will recognize
the state of Palestine. And the day after that, the
day after the UK made that announcement, Canada announced that
it would recognize a Palestinian state. So Canada's PM Mark
Karney said the suffering of civilians in Gaza. Quote leaves
(08:13):
no room for delaying coordinated international action to support peace,
security and the dignity of human life. So there we
have three nations from the G seven all saying that
they will recognize the state of Palestine.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I did notice in now Benizi's press conference yesterday he
told the press of the number of international conversations that
he had had over the past couple of weeks with
a few of those names that you just mentioned, Billy
part of that kind of contact list that he had
flagged the idea. He had also revealed that Australia flagged
their move with the US ahead of time. And Albinizi
(08:50):
also said he had a conversation with Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Nenyahu. How has Israel responded to these announcements?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yes, so prior to who Australia making the announcement yesterday,
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nehna who had accused countries again
the three countries I was just talking about. He accused
those countries of rewarding harmas by recognizing Palestine. Now just
important to note that France, the UK, and Canada all
(09:19):
agree that harmas quote must play no role in the
future governance of Palestine. So obviously they dispute what Neenya
who is saying, and Albanesi also echoed those statements yesterday.
What also happened yesterday is that Nehna who actually directly
spoke about Australia, and he said that the possibility of
Australia recognizing Palestine was quote disappointing and actually shameful.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And this announcement comes at a particularly tense time in
the Middle East. Give me a sense of what the
latest is from Gaza.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, so late last week, the Israeli government approved a
plan to take control of Gaza. Now this came as
the UN had said that any plans for Israel to
take over Gaza would have quote catastrophic consequences for millions
of Palestinians and could further endanger the lives of the
remaining hostages in Gaza. Now, just before we move on,
(10:18):
every time we talk about this conflict, we do kind
of give context, and I think it's important again to
mention here that since the conflict began in twenty twenty three,
Israel has killed more than sixty thousand Palestinians. That's according
to data cited by the UN, and we know that
there is an ongoing humanitarian crisis and that much of
(10:39):
Gaza's population is right now experiencing famine. In the UN
statement that I just read out, they mentioned the hostages
in Gaza, and I also think it's interesting to point
out that the families of hostages have a similar perspective
to that of the UN, and they are strongly opposed
to an escalation of violence. They said in a statement
(11:02):
last week, Escalating the fighting is a death sentence, an
immediate disappearance for.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Our loved ones. So the other major news development out
of Gaza in the past twenty four hours, Billy, has
been the death of a number of Al Jazeera journalists
in the region. Tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yeah, So, early Monday morning here in Australia, it was
revealed that Israeli forces have killed five Al Jazeera journalists
in Gaza. Both Al Jazeera and the Israeli Defense Forces
confirmed those killings. Now, for anyone not familiar, Al Jazeera
is a news company that is based in the Middle
East and they have journalists in Gaza who have been
(11:40):
there throughout this conflict. The IDF has repeatedly alleged that
one of the journalists who were killed and now as Alcharif,
was a member of Hammas. However, the United Nations and
the Committee to Protect Journalists have denied those allegations by
the IDF that Alcherif was a member of HAMMA. And
(12:01):
I think it is important to note that under international
law it is a war crime to deliberately target journalists.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Okay, so Billy, last question from me, Where does this
leave Australia in terms of its international position and how
do you see the next couple of months playing out.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Yeah, So, as we've gone over, Australia is clearly now
joining a growing number of countries recognizing Palestinian statehood, including
major allies like the UK, France and Canada. Another one
of Australia's key allies is the US, and this decision
does put Australia at odds with the US position, which,
(12:40):
like I said before, maintains that Palestinian statehood should only
come through direct negotiations with Israel. I think the timing
of the announcement, you know, amid Israel's planned takeover of
Gaza is very significant and it signals Australia's growing frustration
with the current t trajectory of the conflict, and Albanezi
(13:02):
said time and time again in yesterday's announcement that it
doesn't look like things are going to change, and so
this was Australia needing to take a.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Position on that an extremely complex issue that is now
destined for the flaws of the UN's General Assembly in
New York in September. Billy, thank you for walking us
through yesterday's announcement and that's all for today's deep dive.
We're going to be back in the afternoon with some headlines.
Until then, have a great Tuesday morning. My name is
(13:32):
Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkudin woman
from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast
is recorded on the lands of the Gadighl people and
pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations.
We pay our respects to the first peoples of these countries,
both past and present.
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