October 24, 2024 • 14 mins
Earlier this week, Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe disrupted a ceremony for the King and Queen, speaking for nearly a minute about the King being a l-genocidalist, calling for land to be returned to First Nations communities and asking for a Treaty. In the days since, Thorpe has been accused of breaching the pledge of allegiance she took when she entered Parliament. Only Thorpe doesn’t think so, because she’s claiming a bit of wordplay meant she didn’t actually make the pledge.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Already, and this is the Daily This is the dalyi
OS Oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Friday,
the twenty fifth of October. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. Earlier
this week, Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe disrupted a ceremony for
the King and Queen, yelling for nearly a minute about
the King being a genocidalist, calling for land to be
returned to First Nations communities, and asking for a treaty.
(00:35):
In the days since, Thorpe has been accused of breaching
the pledge of allegiance she took when she entered Parliament.
Only Lydia Thorpe doesn't think that's the case, because she's
claiming a bit of word play meant that she didn't
actually make the pledge. We'll explain everything you need to
know in today's deep dive, but first, Sam, what's making headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Fine Minister Penny Wong has called North Korea's involvement in
Russia's war in Ukraine quote deeply troubling. It comes after
the White House confirmed three thousand North Korean troops have
been deployed to military training locations in eastern Russia. White
House spokesperson John Koby said it was a quote highly
concerning probability that North Korean troops would fight alongside the
(01:19):
Russian military against Ukraine. Speaking at the Commonwealth Heads of
Government meeting in Samoa yesterday, Wong said Australia stands with
the remainder of the international community against North Korea's involvement
in what is an illegal and immoral war.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The co owner of Australian restaurant group Nomad has pleaded
guilty after he was seen with a Nazi symbol at
a recent protest. Alan Yazbek was arrested after he took
an antisemitic sign to a pro Palestinian rally in Sydney,
CBD earlier this month. Yasbeck appeared in court on Thursday,
where he pled guilty to displaying a Nazi symbol, which
(01:57):
is an offense with a maximum sentence of twelve months
in prison or an eleven thousand dollars fine. The Nomad
Group owns popular restaurants in Sydney and Melbourne, and its
co director, Rebecca Yasbeck said her husband Allan would quote
no longer be involved in the management of the business.
In a statement posted to Nomad's Instagram. She said as
both his wife and his business partner, I was furious
(02:19):
with his actions and heartbroken by the harm they caused.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
The president of McDonald's in the US, Joe Erlinger, has
vowed to rebuild public trust after an e Colla outbreak
was linked to the chain's quarter pounded burghers. According to
a food alert by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
one person has died and forty nine people have fallen
ill across ten different states as a result of the outbreak.
(02:45):
Ecola is a group of bacteria that's spread through contaminated
food and water. Symptoms of infection include diarrhea and stomach cramps.
McDonald says it's begun investigating the outbreak and suggested that
it may be linked to slivid onions from a singles
supply ELINGA said the quarter pounder has been removed from
menus at the chain's location in twelve separate states.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And Today's Good News, researchers have discovered the first known
evidence of animals living in the ocean crust. Comes after
a remotely operated underwater vehicle is used to conduct a
thirty day expedition in the southeastern Pacific. Last year, researchers
found worms and snails living in hidden vents beneath the
ocean floor. Findings published in the journal Nature show large
(03:30):
tube worms were found living in cavities below the seabed
in volcanically active area. Sabin Golner from the Royal Netherlands
Institute for Sea Research told Reuters it was a mind
blowing discovery to find animals surviving in hot, mineral rich
environments of the deep sea. On Monday, Independent Senator Lyda
(03:50):
Thorpe disrupted a ceremony honoring King Charles and Queen Camilla.
There she accused the King of genocide and mass murder.
Here's a clip of what occurred at that ceremony. This
people do not know that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Rama our bones, our scol our baby. All right, so Zara,
there's a lot in this story. I want to start
by first going through with you a little bit more
as to who Lydia Thorpe is, because she's the central
character here. We know the King's let's talk about her, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So Lydia Thorpe is a Gunai, Gundichmara and Jabworung woman.
She's been a senator for Victoria since twenty twenty and
she won her seat at the twenty twenty two election,
becoming the first Aboriginal person to represent Victoria in Parliament.
She was elected as a member of the Australian Greens,
but then last year Lydia Thorpe resigned from the Greens
(04:49):
and moved to the cross bench. And you might remember
that that was over disagreements about the Greens's position on
the Voice to Parliament. If you don't remember, a bit
of a quick refresher. At the time, Lydia Thorpe said
that she wanted to represent the grassroots Black sovereign movement
and she said that she couldn't do that with the Greens.
And that's because the Greens were supportive of the Voice
to Parliament. They essentially came to this position that they
(05:10):
would support it, that they would vote yes, whereas Lydia
Thorpe ended up in the no camp, and that was
because she believed there needed to be a treaty with
First Nations people before a voice and so she ended
up over the course of that campaign being one of
the most vocal advocates against a Voice to Parliament. But
her opposition to it really came from this progressive roots
rather than the conservative roots that we saw, for example,
(05:32):
from the Coalition, but apart from the Voice. You might
have read headlines about Lydia Thorpe before, mostly because of
her activism and the form that that takes. So we
saw the Senate or physically block a Mardi Grass float
that was to protest police attendance, and we also saw
her attempt to take the stage at an anti trans rally,
(05:53):
but she was then knocked down by police and not
allowed to get on stage. I do want to just
finish I guess this wrap up of thought by saying,
the one thing that is really consistent in Lydia Thorpe's
advocacy is that she is really out there pushing for
a treaty with First Nations people. And also, I guess,
very much connected to that, she's always advocating to end
(06:14):
the disproportionate incarceration rates and the deaths and custody of
Indigenous people in this country. And that is something that
is a thread that has remained throughout all of her
political career and indeed her career before politics.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And that was also central to what she was saying
when she interrupted the King's ceremony exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So you would have heard in that clip earlier that
I played that Lydia Thorpe mentioned a few different things.
She was speaking for more than a minute, I believe
it was before the police escorted her out. But one
of the things that she made clear, both in that
speech and in all the interviews she's done since, is
that she wants the country to have a discussion about
a treaty.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know, we as a country have had conversations about
having a republic or moving to a republic, which would
mean we would leave the Commonwealth and we would become
a sovereign name.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
With our own head of state.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Exactly, and without the King and without the royal family.
And she's been really strong in saying no, before we
have that conversation, we need to have a conversation about treaty.
I will also add that Thorpe said she had requested
a private meeting with a king, but that that request
had been ignored.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So we have this moment when the King is in
Canberra and Lydia Thorpe interrupts him. What's the reaction been
to Thorpe's actions.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean it's been as you would expect, fairly
split I guess I'll take it in two parts. I
might just begin with those who have supported her first,
so and I'll just run through. I guess a few
different perspectives here. So the first is from Vanessa Turnbull Roberts.
She's a lawyer and the Act's Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Children and Young People Commissioner. Quote directly from Vanessa,
(07:46):
who said, what Senator Thorpe is demanding is what mob
are demanding. Treaties are necessary to recognize historic wrongs and
provide an opportunity to look at the relationship between Indigenous
and non Indigenous people. Then we had Celeste Little, who
is an an Aboriginal trade unionist. She wrote a piece
for The Guardian where she said, and I quote, resistance
to colonization has rarely been polite. The Senator asked questions
(08:10):
that Aboriginal people are still waiting after two centuries to
get answers to. And then I guess a different perspective
here is of Craig Foster. He was the chair of
the Republic Movement until fairly recently when he resigned, But
he had the same sentiment here. He said, we often
hear demands for a respect, but respect must be reciprocal.
Acknowledging history and allowing the healing process to occur is
(08:32):
the beginning of genuine respect based in truth.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So those are some of the perspectives of people who
were supporting Thorpe's actions. Yes, there's also been another side
to this. What has the opposition been.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, so on the flip side of this, Lydia Thorpe's
been accused of violating her pledged allegiance to the Queen
and there have also been these growing calls for her
to resign.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So the pledge being what parliamentarians say when they start
their term.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, so let's just jump into that because I mean,
it'd be understandable if you haven't watched parliamentarians make their pledge.
But essentially, when as you said, a parliamentarian is first
sworn into Parliament, they take this pledge of allegiance. And
I'm going to just read you out the pledge that
Lydia Thorpe would have made back in twenty twenty two
when she was first pledging allegiance and first entering that role.
(09:21):
It says, and I'm quoting directly here I and then
your full name, Sam sam Kozowski do swear that I
will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty
Queen Elizabeth the Second her heirs and successes according to law,
So help me God now. Of course, when Lydia Thorpe
was first asked to make this pledge back in twenty
twenty two, Queen Elizabeth was still alive and she was
(09:43):
the head of the monarchy. But when Thorpe was first
asked to do this, she said, and I'll quote hear,
I bear true allegiance to the colonizing her Majesty, Queen
Elizabeth the Second.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I remember this was quite a strike.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, exactly. And so Lydia Thorpe was asked to start
again and to do her allegiance again, and everybody thought
that she had finished that allegiance, that she had said it,
and we all moved on. But as I said, now
she's been accused of breaching that allegiance because she is
being accused of not being faithful to the Queen's successors
(10:18):
and heirs, which is of course King Charles. However, now
this toy takes another turn. Lydia Thorpe has since come
out and said she actually isn't undermining the pledge because
she never actually made it. She'd saying that she didn't
properly execute it because instead of pledging allegiance to the
Queen's heirs, she instead pledged allegiance to the Queen's hairs.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Here is Lydia Thorpe herself speaking to the ABC earlier
this week.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Ah, I don't remember doing that, and I swear allegiance
to the Queen's hairs if you listen close enough, it
wasn't her heirs. It was her hairs that I was
giving my allegiance to. And now that you know they're
no longer here, I don't know where that stands.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
What an interesting turn of events in what is already
an interesting story. Yeah, there's literally going to be a
hair in it or a syllable in this one. What's
the response been to Lydia Thorpe coming out and saying
that second time you didn't do it properly either.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, the opposition in particular, i'd say, has been the
one leading the charge with this sort of criticism of
Lydia Thorpe. According to Simon Birmingham, who is the Coalition
Senate leader, the coalitions now considering legal opinions about what
really happens next here. Earlier this week, he said it
was a deeply serious claim to be making that does
(11:42):
bring her He's again talking about Thorpe's eligibility to participate
in the proceedings of the Senate into question and then
from the government's perspective. Katie Gallaher, who's the manager of
Senate Business for the Labor Party, of course, told the ABC,
we need to find a way to make sure that
the institution of the Senate and the important role that
it played in democracy is upheld and respected. She added
(12:03):
that she thought that at times that's been challenged by
the behavior of Lydia Thorpe.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, so what happens from here?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean, I don't think anyone really knows. I don't
know of a precedent of this sort of thing happening.
But Thorpe herself has doubled down. She's by no means
backing away from her comments or from this pledge of
allegiance topic itself. She said she's not looking to be
re elected, but that she's just looking to get justice
for her people. It's important to note she's not up
for reelection until twenty twenty eight, so she's not actually
(12:33):
at any risk of losing her seats. Until then, of
course anything could happen, but she's not part of her party,
she's already defected, she's already sitting on the cross bench.
So it'd be really interesting to see what happens from
here with Lydia Thoughpe.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thanks so much for that, Zara. It's a really interesting
story with a lot of legal ambiguity as well, which
I think is a whole other kind of aspect we
all need to get schooled on. Is what does a
pledge actually mean and is it breaking the law or
is it just breaking a rule of parliament. I'm sure
that discussion will all play out in the public arena
over the coming weeks. And thank you for joining us
(13:07):
on the Daily Ods this morning. It's been another huge
week of news. I think that this week has been
really interesting with the King and Queen in town and
we've been having a lot of very interesting discussions as
a nation, so thank you for having them with us.
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Already, and this is the Daily This is the dalyi
OS Oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Friday,
the twenty fifth of October. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. Earlier
this week, Independent Senator Lydia Thorpe disrupted a ceremony for
the King and Queen, yelling for nearly a minute about
the King being a genocidalist, calling for land to be
returned to First Nations communities, and asking for a treaty.
(00:35):
In the days since, Thorpe has been accused of breaching
the pledge of allegiance she took when she entered Parliament.
Only Lydia Thorpe doesn't think that's the case, because she's
claiming a bit of word play meant that she didn't
actually make the pledge. We'll explain everything you need to
know in today's deep dive, but first, Sam, what's making headlines.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Fine Minister Penny Wong has called North Korea's involvement in
Russia's war in Ukraine quote deeply troubling. It comes after
the White House confirmed three thousand North Korean troops have
been deployed to military training locations in eastern Russia. White
House spokesperson John Koby said it was a quote highly
concerning probability that North Korean troops would fight alongside the
(01:19):
Russian military against Ukraine. Speaking at the Commonwealth Heads of
Government meeting in Samoa yesterday, Wong said Australia stands with
the remainder of the international community against North Korea's involvement
in what is an illegal and immoral war.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
The co owner of Australian restaurant group Nomad has pleaded
guilty after he was seen with a Nazi symbol at
a recent protest. Alan Yazbek was arrested after he took
an antisemitic sign to a pro Palestinian rally in Sydney,
CBD earlier this month. Yasbeck appeared in court on Thursday,
where he pled guilty to displaying a Nazi symbol, which
(01:57):
is an offense with a maximum sentence of twelve months
in prison or an eleven thousand dollars fine. The Nomad
Group owns popular restaurants in Sydney and Melbourne, and its
co director, Rebecca Yasbeck said her husband Allan would quote
no longer be involved in the management of the business.
In a statement posted to Nomad's Instagram. She said as
both his wife and his business partner, I was furious
(02:19):
with his actions and heartbroken by the harm they caused.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
The president of McDonald's in the US, Joe Erlinger, has
vowed to rebuild public trust after an e Colla outbreak
was linked to the chain's quarter pounded burghers. According to
a food alert by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,
one person has died and forty nine people have fallen
ill across ten different states as a result of the outbreak.
(02:45):
Ecola is a group of bacteria that's spread through contaminated
food and water. Symptoms of infection include diarrhea and stomach cramps.
McDonald says it's begun investigating the outbreak and suggested that
it may be linked to slivid onions from a singles
supply ELINGA said the quarter pounder has been removed from
menus at the chain's location in twelve separate states.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And Today's Good News, researchers have discovered the first known
evidence of animals living in the ocean crust. Comes after
a remotely operated underwater vehicle is used to conduct a
thirty day expedition in the southeastern Pacific. Last year, researchers
found worms and snails living in hidden vents beneath the
ocean floor. Findings published in the journal Nature show large
(03:30):
tube worms were found living in cavities below the seabed
in volcanically active area. Sabin Golner from the Royal Netherlands
Institute for Sea Research told Reuters it was a mind
blowing discovery to find animals surviving in hot, mineral rich
environments of the deep sea. On Monday, Independent Senator Lyda
(03:50):
Thorpe disrupted a ceremony honoring King Charles and Queen Camilla.
There she accused the King of genocide and mass murder.
Here's a clip of what occurred at that ceremony. This
people do not know that.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Rama our bones, our scol our baby. All right, so Zara,
there's a lot in this story. I want to start
by first going through with you a little bit more
as to who Lydia Thorpe is, because she's the central
character here. We know the King's let's talk about her, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So Lydia Thorpe is a Gunai, Gundichmara and Jabworung woman.
She's been a senator for Victoria since twenty twenty and
she won her seat at the twenty twenty two election,
becoming the first Aboriginal person to represent Victoria in Parliament.
She was elected as a member of the Australian Greens,
but then last year Lydia Thorpe resigned from the Greens
(04:49):
and moved to the cross bench. And you might remember
that that was over disagreements about the Greens's position on
the Voice to Parliament. If you don't remember, a bit
of a quick refresher. At the time, Lydia Thorpe said
that she wanted to represent the grassroots Black sovereign movement
and she said that she couldn't do that with the Greens.
And that's because the Greens were supportive of the Voice
to Parliament. They essentially came to this position that they
(05:10):
would support it, that they would vote yes, whereas Lydia
Thorpe ended up in the no camp, and that was
because she believed there needed to be a treaty with
First Nations people before a voice and so she ended
up over the course of that campaign being one of
the most vocal advocates against a Voice to Parliament. But
her opposition to it really came from this progressive roots
rather than the conservative roots that we saw, for example,
(05:32):
from the Coalition, but apart from the Voice. You might
have read headlines about Lydia Thorpe before, mostly because of
her activism and the form that that takes. So we
saw the Senate or physically block a Mardi Grass float
that was to protest police attendance, and we also saw
her attempt to take the stage at an anti trans rally,
(05:53):
but she was then knocked down by police and not
allowed to get on stage. I do want to just
finish I guess this wrap up of thought by saying,
the one thing that is really consistent in Lydia Thorpe's
advocacy is that she is really out there pushing for
a treaty with First Nations people. And also, I guess,
very much connected to that, she's always advocating to end
(06:14):
the disproportionate incarceration rates and the deaths and custody of
Indigenous people in this country. And that is something that
is a thread that has remained throughout all of her
political career and indeed her career before politics.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
And that was also central to what she was saying
when she interrupted the King's ceremony exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
So you would have heard in that clip earlier that
I played that Lydia Thorpe mentioned a few different things.
She was speaking for more than a minute, I believe
it was before the police escorted her out. But one
of the things that she made clear, both in that
speech and in all the interviews she's done since, is
that she wants the country to have a discussion about
a treaty.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know, we as a country have had conversations about
having a republic or moving to a republic, which would
mean we would leave the Commonwealth and we would become
a sovereign name.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
With our own head of state.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Exactly, and without the King and without the royal family.
And she's been really strong in saying no, before we
have that conversation, we need to have a conversation about treaty.
I will also add that Thorpe said she had requested
a private meeting with a king, but that that request
had been ignored.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
So we have this moment when the King is in
Canberra and Lydia Thorpe interrupts him. What's the reaction been
to Thorpe's actions.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean it's been as you would expect, fairly
split I guess I'll take it in two parts. I
might just begin with those who have supported her first,
so and I'll just run through. I guess a few
different perspectives here. So the first is from Vanessa Turnbull Roberts.
She's a lawyer and the Act's Aboriginal and Torres Strait
Islander Children and Young People Commissioner. Quote directly from Vanessa,
(07:46):
who said, what Senator Thorpe is demanding is what mob
are demanding. Treaties are necessary to recognize historic wrongs and
provide an opportunity to look at the relationship between Indigenous
and non Indigenous people. Then we had Celeste Little, who
is an an Aboriginal trade unionist. She wrote a piece
for The Guardian where she said, and I quote, resistance
to colonization has rarely been polite. The Senator asked questions
(08:10):
that Aboriginal people are still waiting after two centuries to
get answers to. And then I guess a different perspective
here is of Craig Foster. He was the chair of
the Republic Movement until fairly recently when he resigned, But
he had the same sentiment here. He said, we often
hear demands for a respect, but respect must be reciprocal.
Acknowledging history and allowing the healing process to occur is
(08:32):
the beginning of genuine respect based in truth.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So those are some of the perspectives of people who
were supporting Thorpe's actions. Yes, there's also been another side
to this. What has the opposition been.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, so on the flip side of this, Lydia Thorpe's
been accused of violating her pledged allegiance to the Queen
and there have also been these growing calls for her
to resign.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So the pledge being what parliamentarians say when they start
their term.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Yeah, so let's just jump into that because I mean,
it'd be understandable if you haven't watched parliamentarians make their pledge.
But essentially, when as you said, a parliamentarian is first
sworn into Parliament, they take this pledge of allegiance. And
I'm going to just read you out the pledge that
Lydia Thorpe would have made back in twenty twenty two
when she was first pledging allegiance and first entering that role.
(09:21):
It says, and I'm quoting directly here I and then
your full name, Sam sam Kozowski do swear that I
will be faithful and bear true allegiance to her Majesty
Queen Elizabeth the Second her heirs and successes according to law,
So help me God now. Of course, when Lydia Thorpe
was first asked to make this pledge back in twenty
twenty two, Queen Elizabeth was still alive and she was
(09:43):
the head of the monarchy. But when Thorpe was first
asked to do this, she said, and I'll quote hear,
I bear true allegiance to the colonizing her Majesty, Queen
Elizabeth the Second.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I remember this was quite a strike.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Yeah, exactly. And so Lydia Thorpe was asked to start
again and to do her allegiance again, and everybody thought
that she had finished that allegiance, that she had said it,
and we all moved on. But as I said, now
she's been accused of breaching that allegiance because she is
being accused of not being faithful to the Queen's successors
(10:18):
and heirs, which is of course King Charles. However, now
this toy takes another turn. Lydia Thorpe has since come
out and said she actually isn't undermining the pledge because
she never actually made it. She'd saying that she didn't
properly execute it because instead of pledging allegiance to the
Queen's heirs, she instead pledged allegiance to the Queen's hairs.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Here is Lydia Thorpe herself speaking to the ABC earlier
this week.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Ah, I don't remember doing that, and I swear allegiance
to the Queen's hairs if you listen close enough, it
wasn't her heirs. It was her hairs that I was
giving my allegiance to. And now that you know they're
no longer here, I don't know where that stands.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
What an interesting turn of events in what is already
an interesting story. Yeah, there's literally going to be a
hair in it or a syllable in this one. What's
the response been to Lydia Thorpe coming out and saying
that second time you didn't do it properly either.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, the opposition in particular, i'd say, has been the
one leading the charge with this sort of criticism of
Lydia Thorpe. According to Simon Birmingham, who is the Coalition
Senate leader, the coalitions now considering legal opinions about what
really happens next here. Earlier this week, he said it
was a deeply serious claim to be making that does
(11:42):
bring her He's again talking about Thorpe's eligibility to participate
in the proceedings of the Senate into question and then
from the government's perspective. Katie Gallaher, who's the manager of
Senate Business for the Labor Party, of course, told the ABC,
we need to find a way to make sure that
the institution of the Senate and the important role that
it played in democracy is upheld and respected. She added
(12:03):
that she thought that at times that's been challenged by
the behavior of Lydia Thorpe.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Okay, so what happens from here?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I mean, I don't think anyone really knows. I don't
know of a precedent of this sort of thing happening.
But Thorpe herself has doubled down. She's by no means
backing away from her comments or from this pledge of
allegiance topic itself. She said she's not looking to be
re elected, but that she's just looking to get justice
for her people. It's important to note she's not up
for reelection until twenty twenty eight, so she's not actually
(12:33):
at any risk of losing her seats. Until then, of
course anything could happen, but she's not part of her party,
she's already defected, she's already sitting on the cross bench.
So it'd be really interesting to see what happens from
here with Lydia Thoughpe.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Thanks so much for that, Zara. It's a really interesting
story with a lot of legal ambiguity as well, which
I think is a whole other kind of aspect we
all need to get schooled on. Is what does a
pledge actually mean and is it breaking the law or
is it just breaking a rule of parliament. I'm sure
that discussion will all play out in the public arena
over the coming weeks. And thank you for joining us
(13:07):
on the Daily Ods this morning. It's been another huge
week of news. I think that this week has been
really interesting with the King and Queen in town and
we've been having a lot of very interesting discussions as
a nation, so thank you for having them with us.
If you enjoyed what you heard, or you're watching us
on YouTube and you like what you saw, I'd love
if you could follow, subscribe, you know, leave a comment,
(13:28):
send it to a friend. Any of these small movements
that you can take really does help us as a
media company. We'll be back tomorrow with your Saturday good
news edition of The Daily Os and then back to
normal episodes on Monday. Have a great end of the week.
We'll speak to you then. My name is Lily Madden
and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Calcoltin woman from Gadigoo Country.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
The Daily Os acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on
the lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to
all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay
our respects to the first peoples of these countries, both
past and present.
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