November 18, 2024 • 12 mins
On Monday morning, news broke that well-known broadcaster Alan Jones had been arrested at his home in Sydney over alleged indecent assaults. Later in the day, police announced that he’d been charged with 24 offences. It follows an investigation by the Sydney Morning Herald into Jones last year. At the time, he denied those allegations. In today's podcast, we explain who Jones is, what police have said and why this story matters.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Already and this is this is the Daily OS.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the nineteenth of November.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm Zara, I'm Sam.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yesterday morning news broke that well known broadcaster Alan Jones
had been arrested at his home in Sydney over alleged
indecent assaults. Later in the day, police announced that he'd
been charged with twenty four offenses. Now, this was a
really big story because of who Alan Jones is and
the power he's held in both media and political spheres
(00:41):
in Australia for the past few decades.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think the identity of Alan Jones and the power
that he holds is really at the heart of this
story and why he's been such a permanent fixture in
Australian media and political circles for so long. For anyone
who is a quite across it, can you give me
a sense of who Alan Jones is?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, So when I sat down to write this podcast,
I thought I knew a lot about Alan Jones's career.
You know, you're told these stories when you enter the
industry about someone that had been there for years in
years and years, but it turns out that he's had
quite a unique career trajectory. So he's not someone that
entered journalism straight out of university and then stayed there
his whole career. Alan Jones, who right now is in
(01:26):
his early eighties, he actually started his career as an
English teacher and a rugby teacher at King's so the
King's School in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Which is a really prestigious private school.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, exactly. And then in the mid seventies he moved
into the political realm. He worked as a speech writer
and then ran for pre selection in the seat of Damnero,
which he subsequently lost, but that didn't deter him, and
Alan Jones later ran for two different seats for the
Liberal Party. He lost both of those as well, but
(01:59):
he stayed in those it's kind of political spheres and
later became a speechwriter for the then Liberal Prime Minister
Malcolm Fraser. Then there was a bit of a switch
up in his career and Alan Jones went back into
the sporting world where he became the coach of the
Wallabies in nineteen eighty three. But then he moved into
broadcasting and it's there that Alan Jones's profile really began
(02:22):
to grow, so he became a radio host on Sydney
talkback radio stations to YUI and later two GB, and
for decades he hosted those shows. He also regularly wrote
opinion columns for news corps many newspapers and had a
dedicated show on Sky News up until twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And those shows that he was involved with, whether it
be on radio, television or his working print, it did
incredibly well. He was a very popular host. And yeah,
some of those radio numbers were huge.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, I mean he held that number one spot for
so so long, and so many politicians had their run,
you know, facing off against Alan Jones on TWOGB. It
was almost this rite of passage, I guess.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But then I think the reason why a lot of
our listeners might be familiar with the name Alan Jones
is not necessarily because of his media career. But when
he's in the media.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Himself, he certainly made and continues to make a lot
of headlines himself. There are a number of controversies that
Alan Jones himself was embroiled in, and he was a
shock jock for decades, so you know, it was almost
his trade to say shocking things. But I do want
to just zero in, I guess on two of the
more better known attacks that really defined the latter part
(03:38):
of Alan Jones's media career. So the first was an
attack he made against Australia's first and only female Prime Minister,
Julia Gillard. So back in twenty twelve, he claimed Gillard
should be put in a chaff bag and dumped at sea.
He also suggested that her father, who at that time
had recently passed, that he had died of shame. He
(04:00):
later publicly apologized for those comments. But now, when people
retrospectively look back on the Gillard prime ministership, those comments
do feature very prominently and a lot of the kind
of discourse around gender that emerged during that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Time, including her own analysis of how media treated her
during that period.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah exactly, But that wasn't the only female leader of
a country that Alan Jones targeted. More recently, he suggested
that former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison should have shoved
a sock down the throat of former New Zealand Prime
Minister Jasindra Dern. So that was in twenty nineteen. At
the time, he also said that he hoped Scott Morrison
(04:39):
quote gets tough here with a few backhanders, and that
he goes for the throat. The Australian Media Regulator AKMA
eventually found that Alan Jones had breached broadcasting rules when
he said those things, and there was this real mass
exodus of advertising partners from two GB in response to
the comments he had made about Justindra Durn. Perhaps you
(05:00):
know there. It's a really interesting analysis of how much
had changed, I guess since twenty twelve when those comments
were made about Julia Gillard to twenty nineteen when they
were made about Jacindra Adern. Alan Jones eventually wrote an
apology letter to Jasindra Adern and said on air that
he had made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I think many would agree that the other big change
from twenty twelve to twenty nineteen was the fact that
advertisers started to pull their support from Alan Jones's program.
That happened in twenty nineteen. A year later, in twenty twenty,
Alan Jones stepped down from hosting his show onto GB.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, he said at the time that that was due
to doctors' orders. But the Citney Morning Herald, who you know,
we'll get into it a little bit has written quite
a lot about Alan Jones. In an article, they said
that there was a commercial imperative for Alan Jones to
get off air because advertisers had continued to boycott his
show after the Arderne comments, and that it was becoming
commercially basically unviable for him to remain on air with
(05:55):
so many advertisers pulling away.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
We'll be back with the d dive after this quick message.
So just to go back and recap, we have somebody
involved in the school system who then enters politics, and
then enters rugby, and then enters the media, makes controversial
comments part of his personality, and then steps down in
twenty twenty. What's happened since then?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
After retiring from radio, as he put it, Alan Jones
ended up joining a streaming news channel. It's called adh
TV and it essentially just hosts a range of conservative
political commentators, of which he was one of. His last
show on that channel, though, was in November of last year,
and that's an important date because a month later, in
(06:41):
December of last year, the City Morning Herald published its
first investigation into Alan Jones. Before we go on, though,
I do want to just say how interesting this is,
just as an aside about the Australian media market. Two GB,
which is of course the station Alan Jones hosted a
show on for so long, and the Cydny Morning Herald,
who ran this investigation into Alan Jones, are owned by
(07:03):
the same companies. So nine owns both two GB and
the Sydney Morning Herald, alongside of course a whole host
of different publications. But I thought that that's just an
interesting quirk to keep in mind. So in that investigation
that was first published in December twenty twenty three by
The Sydney Morning Herald, journalist Kate McClymont alleged that Alan
(07:24):
Jones quote used his position of power to prey on
a number of young men indecently assaulting them, groping or
inappropriately touching them without consent. So that's a direct quote
from the article that went live almost a year ago.
The article went on to detail a whole host of
allegations made by a number of different men across a
really kind of long period of time. When McClymont actually
(07:48):
published that article, it did include a statement from Alan
Jones's legal team who said at the time, our client
denies ever having indecently assaulted the persons referred to in
your letter, and your suggestion that he has is scandalous,
grossly offensive and seriously defamatory of him.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So the article comes out and Alan Jones and his
legal team strongly deny claims in maintain his innocence. At
that point, there's no kind of follow on from law
enforcement or anything. But that's why we're talking about this today.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right, Yeah, exactly. So yesterday morning we found out that
Alan Jones had been arrested at his home in Sydney
over allegations that he had indecently assaulted young men. Now,
a statement from police said that the state's Child Abuse
Squad had established a strike force earlier this year in
March to investigate a number of alleged indecent assaults and
(08:39):
sexual touching incidents between two thousand and one and twenty nineteen.
That's a direct quote from the New South Wales Police's
media release. The statement said that following extensive inquiries, an
eighty three year old man had been arrested, who we
now of course know is Alan Jones. New South Wales
Police Commissioner Karen Webb said in a press comes that
(09:00):
the arrest had followed what she called a very complex investigation.
Here's a bit more of what she said.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I can't speculate in this particular case, but what is
often the case is when it is known the full
circumstances and those parties involved, other people may come forward.
And we are anticipating that other people may come forward.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And Zara, do we know what Jones was actually charged with?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So later yesterday New South Wales Police did get up
and do another full press conference in the afternoon and
they revealed that Alan Jones had been charged with twenty
four offenses against eight victims between twenty and one and
twenty nineteen. So these are crimes that allegedly occurred over
two decades. Police also revealed that the youngest of the
(09:46):
victims was seventeen when the alleged crime took place. The
charges include eleven counts of aggravated indecent assault where the
alleged victim was under the authority of the offender, nine
charges related to assault with active indecency, two charges of
common assault, and two charges of sexual touching.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I want to go back to one phrase you just mentioned,
under the authority. What does that mean exactly?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, so police explain this, and essentially what they said
was that by authority they were referring to the employment
of contracts, so in a professional workplace setting, this wasn't
something they had alleged had happened in all cases, but
in some Police said that Jones knew some of the
alleged victims personally, some of them professionally, and police said
there were also some people who met Jones for the
(10:32):
first time when the alleged assault occurred, but that reference
to under the authority just means under contract.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, So what happens now, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Jones has been given conditional bail and he's due next
to appear before court on December eighteenth this year, so
in a couple of weeks. The conditions around the bail
include requirements that he's not allowed to contact or harass
the alleged victims, and there are also some travel restrictions
on him. Interestinglyth Wales Police also said that that strikeforce
(11:02):
I mentioned earlier is still ongoing and that they're still
talking to people and as we heard before, they are
expecting more people to now potentially come forward. Police also
said that they had seized a number of electronic devices
at Alan Jones's apartment yesterday, So who knows where this
could go.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And have we heard from Jones or his lawyers since
he was arrested.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yes So yesterday afternoon we did hear from Alan Jones's lawyers,
and they've essentially said that he is denying all of
the allegations and that he will assert his innocence. I
read a direct quote here from a lawyer who said,
allegations have been made, nothing has been tested, nothing has
been proven. Alan Jones will assert his innocence appropriately in
(11:47):
the courtroom, so as he did back when those allegations
were first published by the Sidney Morning Herald. Jones will
maintain his innocence.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So the next big milestone in this story is that
December eighteen date that you're referring to. Zara will keep
everybody in the loop when that comes around. And thank
you for joining us on the Daily OS this morning.
If this story has raised anything for you, there's always
one eight hundred respects to reach out to. They are
available on one eight hundred seven three seven seven three
to two. That's all we've got time for this morning,
(12:17):
but we'll be back this afternoon with some headlines. Have
a great day. My name is Lily Maddon and I'm
a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkottin woman from Gadighl country. The
Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the
lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to all
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay our
(12:38):
respects to the first peoples of these countries, both past
and present.
Already and this is this is the Daily OS.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
This is the Daily ohs oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the nineteenth of November.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
I'm Zara, I'm Sam.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yesterday morning news broke that well known broadcaster Alan Jones
had been arrested at his home in Sydney over alleged
indecent assaults. Later in the day, police announced that he'd
been charged with twenty four offenses. Now, this was a
really big story because of who Alan Jones is and
the power he's held in both media and political spheres
(00:41):
in Australia for the past few decades.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think the identity of Alan Jones and the power
that he holds is really at the heart of this
story and why he's been such a permanent fixture in
Australian media and political circles for so long. For anyone
who is a quite across it, can you give me
a sense of who Alan Jones is?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, So when I sat down to write this podcast,
I thought I knew a lot about Alan Jones's career.
You know, you're told these stories when you enter the
industry about someone that had been there for years in
years and years, but it turns out that he's had
quite a unique career trajectory. So he's not someone that
entered journalism straight out of university and then stayed there
his whole career. Alan Jones, who right now is in
(01:26):
his early eighties, he actually started his career as an
English teacher and a rugby teacher at King's so the
King's School in Sydney.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Which is a really prestigious private school.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yeah, exactly. And then in the mid seventies he moved
into the political realm. He worked as a speech writer
and then ran for pre selection in the seat of Damnero,
which he subsequently lost, but that didn't deter him, and
Alan Jones later ran for two different seats for the
Liberal Party. He lost both of those as well, but
(01:59):
he stayed in those it's kind of political spheres and
later became a speechwriter for the then Liberal Prime Minister
Malcolm Fraser. Then there was a bit of a switch
up in his career and Alan Jones went back into
the sporting world where he became the coach of the
Wallabies in nineteen eighty three. But then he moved into
broadcasting and it's there that Alan Jones's profile really began
(02:22):
to grow, so he became a radio host on Sydney
talkback radio stations to YUI and later two GB, and
for decades he hosted those shows. He also regularly wrote
opinion columns for news corps many newspapers and had a
dedicated show on Sky News up until twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And those shows that he was involved with, whether it
be on radio, television or his working print, it did
incredibly well. He was a very popular host. And yeah,
some of those radio numbers were huge.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Yeah, I mean he held that number one spot for
so so long, and so many politicians had their run,
you know, facing off against Alan Jones on TWOGB. It
was almost this rite of passage, I guess.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
But then I think the reason why a lot of
our listeners might be familiar with the name Alan Jones
is not necessarily because of his media career. But when
he's in the media.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Himself, he certainly made and continues to make a lot
of headlines himself. There are a number of controversies that
Alan Jones himself was embroiled in, and he was a
shock jock for decades, so you know, it was almost
his trade to say shocking things. But I do want
to just zero in, I guess on two of the
more better known attacks that really defined the latter part
(03:38):
of Alan Jones's media career. So the first was an
attack he made against Australia's first and only female Prime Minister,
Julia Gillard. So back in twenty twelve, he claimed Gillard
should be put in a chaff bag and dumped at sea.
He also suggested that her father, who at that time
had recently passed, that he had died of shame. He
(04:00):
later publicly apologized for those comments. But now, when people
retrospectively look back on the Gillard prime ministership, those comments
do feature very prominently and a lot of the kind
of discourse around gender that emerged during that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Time, including her own analysis of how media treated her
during that period.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah exactly, But that wasn't the only female leader of
a country that Alan Jones targeted. More recently, he suggested
that former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison should have shoved
a sock down the throat of former New Zealand Prime
Minister Jasindra Dern. So that was in twenty nineteen. At
the time, he also said that he hoped Scott Morrison
(04:39):
quote gets tough here with a few backhanders, and that
he goes for the throat. The Australian Media Regulator AKMA
eventually found that Alan Jones had breached broadcasting rules when
he said those things, and there was this real mass
exodus of advertising partners from two GB in response to
the comments he had made about Justindra Durn. Perhaps you
(05:00):
know there. It's a really interesting analysis of how much
had changed, I guess since twenty twelve when those comments
were made about Julia Gillard to twenty nineteen when they
were made about Jacindra Adern. Alan Jones eventually wrote an
apology letter to Jasindra Adern and said on air that
he had made a mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
I think many would agree that the other big change
from twenty twelve to twenty nineteen was the fact that
advertisers started to pull their support from Alan Jones's program.
That happened in twenty nineteen. A year later, in twenty twenty,
Alan Jones stepped down from hosting his show onto GB.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
Yeah, he said at the time that that was due
to doctors' orders. But the Citney Morning Herald, who you know,
we'll get into it a little bit has written quite
a lot about Alan Jones. In an article, they said
that there was a commercial imperative for Alan Jones to
get off air because advertisers had continued to boycott his
show after the Arderne comments, and that it was becoming
commercially basically unviable for him to remain on air with
(05:55):
so many advertisers pulling away.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
We'll be back with the d dive after this quick message.
So just to go back and recap, we have somebody
involved in the school system who then enters politics, and
then enters rugby, and then enters the media, makes controversial
comments part of his personality, and then steps down in
twenty twenty. What's happened since then?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
After retiring from radio, as he put it, Alan Jones
ended up joining a streaming news channel. It's called adh
TV and it essentially just hosts a range of conservative
political commentators, of which he was one of. His last
show on that channel, though, was in November of last year,
and that's an important date because a month later, in
(06:41):
December of last year, the City Morning Herald published its
first investigation into Alan Jones. Before we go on, though,
I do want to just say how interesting this is,
just as an aside about the Australian media market. Two GB,
which is of course the station Alan Jones hosted a
show on for so long, and the Cydny Morning Herald,
who ran this investigation into Alan Jones, are owned by
(07:03):
the same companies. So nine owns both two GB and
the Sydney Morning Herald, alongside of course a whole host
of different publications. But I thought that that's just an
interesting quirk to keep in mind. So in that investigation
that was first published in December twenty twenty three by
The Sydney Morning Herald, journalist Kate McClymont alleged that Alan
(07:24):
Jones quote used his position of power to prey on
a number of young men indecently assaulting them, groping or
inappropriately touching them without consent. So that's a direct quote
from the article that went live almost a year ago.
The article went on to detail a whole host of
allegations made by a number of different men across a
really kind of long period of time. When McClymont actually
(07:48):
published that article, it did include a statement from Alan
Jones's legal team who said at the time, our client
denies ever having indecently assaulted the persons referred to in
your letter, and your suggestion that he has is scandalous,
grossly offensive and seriously defamatory of him.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
So the article comes out and Alan Jones and his
legal team strongly deny claims in maintain his innocence. At
that point, there's no kind of follow on from law
enforcement or anything. But that's why we're talking about this today.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right, Yeah, exactly. So yesterday morning we found out that
Alan Jones had been arrested at his home in Sydney
over allegations that he had indecently assaulted young men. Now,
a statement from police said that the state's Child Abuse
Squad had established a strike force earlier this year in
March to investigate a number of alleged indecent assaults and
(08:39):
sexual touching incidents between two thousand and one and twenty nineteen.
That's a direct quote from the New South Wales Police's
media release. The statement said that following extensive inquiries, an
eighty three year old man had been arrested, who we
now of course know is Alan Jones. New South Wales
Police Commissioner Karen Webb said in a press comes that
(09:00):
the arrest had followed what she called a very complex investigation.
Here's a bit more of what she said.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I can't speculate in this particular case, but what is
often the case is when it is known the full
circumstances and those parties involved, other people may come forward.
And we are anticipating that other people may come forward.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
And Zara, do we know what Jones was actually charged with?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
So later yesterday New South Wales Police did get up
and do another full press conference in the afternoon and
they revealed that Alan Jones had been charged with twenty
four offenses against eight victims between twenty and one and
twenty nineteen. So these are crimes that allegedly occurred over
two decades. Police also revealed that the youngest of the
(09:46):
victims was seventeen when the alleged crime took place. The
charges include eleven counts of aggravated indecent assault where the
alleged victim was under the authority of the offender, nine
charges related to assault with active indecency, two charges of
common assault, and two charges of sexual touching.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I want to go back to one phrase you just mentioned,
under the authority. What does that mean exactly?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, so police explain this, and essentially what they said
was that by authority they were referring to the employment
of contracts, so in a professional workplace setting, this wasn't
something they had alleged had happened in all cases, but
in some Police said that Jones knew some of the
alleged victims personally, some of them professionally, and police said
there were also some people who met Jones for the
(10:32):
first time when the alleged assault occurred, but that reference
to under the authority just means under contract.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, So what happens now, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Jones has been given conditional bail and he's due next
to appear before court on December eighteenth this year, so
in a couple of weeks. The conditions around the bail
include requirements that he's not allowed to contact or harass
the alleged victims, and there are also some travel restrictions
on him. Interestinglyth Wales Police also said that that strikeforce
(11:02):
I mentioned earlier is still ongoing and that they're still
talking to people and as we heard before, they are
expecting more people to now potentially come forward. Police also
said that they had seized a number of electronic devices
at Alan Jones's apartment yesterday, So who knows where this
could go.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
And have we heard from Jones or his lawyers since
he was arrested.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Yes So yesterday afternoon we did hear from Alan Jones's lawyers,
and they've essentially said that he is denying all of
the allegations and that he will assert his innocence. I
read a direct quote here from a lawyer who said,
allegations have been made, nothing has been tested, nothing has
been proven. Alan Jones will assert his innocence appropriately in
(11:47):
the courtroom, so as he did back when those allegations
were first published by the Sidney Morning Herald. Jones will
maintain his innocence.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So the next big milestone in this story is that
December eighteen date that you're referring to. Zara will keep
everybody in the loop when that comes around. And thank
you for joining us on the Daily OS this morning.
If this story has raised anything for you, there's always
one eight hundred respects to reach out to. They are
available on one eight hundred seven three seven seven three
to two. That's all we've got time for this morning,
(12:17):
but we'll be back this afternoon with some headlines. Have
a great day. My name is Lily Maddon and I'm
a proud Arunda Bunjelung Kalkottin woman from Gadighl country. The
Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on the
lands of the Gadighl people and pays respect to all
Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island and nations. We pay our
(12:38):
respects to the first peoples of these countries, both past
and present.
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