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May 2, 2025 14 mins

On Thursday, Fran Hurndall started running from Cottesloe Beach in Perth with the goal of reaching Sydney's Bondi Beach in a record time of 34 days.

But this run is about more than a record attempt.

Fran is running to start a conversation about domestic violence.

In this episode, we interview Fran to understand more about the challenge she's undertaking and why.

Hosts: Billi FitzSimons and George 
Guest: Fran Hurndall

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily
ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome
to the Daily OS. It's Saturday, the third of May.
I'm Billy fitz.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Simon's and I'm George Finlassen.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
George, Happy Election Day.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thanks, Happy Election Day to you. I'll be treating myself
to a Democracy.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Socage amazing with extra onion. I hope.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I love the onion on election.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Day mustered tomato sauce.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
So good.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Now, if you were tuning into this podcast and expecting
a last minute election podcast, this is not that. As
you would have seen from the title of this episode,
we thought would give you something a little bit different today.
As you may know, every Saturday we do do a
good news podcast and today we have an extra special
good news episode for you. This week, British woman Fran

(00:58):
Herndle began her quest to become it's the fastest ever
person to run across Australia. Fran is setting out to
run three eight hundred kilometers from Codslow Beach in Perth
to Bondai Beach in Sydney in just thirty four days.
For Fran it's not only an attempt to set a
new world record, but also an opportunity to start a
conversation about domestic violence, as you're here in our interview.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
With her today.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Now, George, you interviewed Fran and before we listen to
that interview, I want to talk about how over the
past couple of years, if not longer than that, we
really have seen definitely a rise in run clubs but
also ultra marathons, people just running crazy distances.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Have you noticed that.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, there's definitely been a rise in run clubs and
run fluencers on social media. I don't know if it's
people our age, there's a whole kind of fitness revolution.
I've definitely seen it amongst my friends and I've certainly
taken a little interest in it as well, have I.
As for ultra running, there's also been an uptick in participation.

(02:05):
A twenty twenty study from run Repeat found that ultra
running participation had increased by three hundred and forty five
percent in the previous decade. That's crazy, it's wild, and
I think that's the reason that we're seeing more and
more of these attempts to do crazy runs, like running
across Africa or running across Australia.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
And we saw in twenty twenty two. A lot of
people listening. I'm sure we'll remember Ned Brockman.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Of course Ned Brockman. You can't forget the mallet and
that feisty character.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Yes, So in twenty twenty two he attempted to run
across Australia. At the time, he wanted to do it
in forty three days, which I understand was the record
at the time. He only just missed that. He did
it in forty four days. But even since then the
record has changed.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, the record has changed and it kind of went
under the radar after Ned's run. So in twenty twenty
three Tramrathon runner and engineer Chris Turnbull and Aussie he
set the record of thirty nine days, eight hours and
one minute.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I believe Wow, did that at the top of your head?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, precise, very precise. And there's also another guy, British
ultra runner William Googe, who started his attempt to finish
the run in thirty five days last month on April fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
So he's doing that right now.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, he's about halfway across Australia. He's somewhere in South
Australia at the moment.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
But he's not who we're actually talking about today. There
is Fran who you spoke to, who is attempting to
set a new world record. If William Googe does set it,
there will then beat Fran literally on his heels trying
to beat it again.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah. So Fran's about fifteen days behind William and she's
trying to set a record of thirty four days. So
if he completes it in thirty five, which he's on
track to do, and Fran completes it in thirty four,
then we'll have two new world records within a month.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So interesting, George, I think that's all the context we
need to listen to your brilliant interview. So without further ado,
here is George's interview with Fran.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Okay, Fran, thanks so much for joining the Daily Hours
this morning. It's great to have you in the studio.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Yeah, you too, thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
So just to start, do you want to give us
a bit of an overview of exactly what you're setting
out to do.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yes, on the first of May this year, I'll be
running from Perth to Sydney in a new world record
time of thirty four days, So be running a one
hundred and ten k's a day be the first woman
to ever attempt doing it in under forty days as well,
which is which is really exciting too. So the first
of May, during the month of Domestic Violence Prevention Month amazing.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
We'll get on to the charity stuff a bit later,
but many of us remember when Ned Brockman did his
challenge in twenty twenty three. He did in forty four days.
You're wanting to do it in thirty four so ten
days quicker? How did you choose the goal of thirty
four days?

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Yeah, So back in twenty twenty three, I dribbled a
soccer ball from the Gold Coaster Sydney to raise awareness
for women in sport. When you do something like that,
it becomes quite addictive, I suppose. And I've always had
my eyes obviously on Perth to Sydney, and I think
the thing that's intrigued me the most is that a
woman's never attempted to do it before in under forty days.

(05:21):
So that was the one thing that sort of drew
me towards yeah, doing that run and yeah, to just
push myself or past my comfort zone.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
So in terms of the record, the current record is
thirty eight days. In theory, you could have targeted something
a little less ambitious and you would have still beaten
the record. What's the significance of the number thirty four?

Speaker 4 (05:45):
I guess yeah, I mean, obviously the female record, I
think it's around seventy nine days. So again, like you said,
I could have taken a less challenging way way out,
but I really just want to be able to start
a conversation about domestic violence. Obviously, I feel like Australia
it's a bit of a crisis at the moment, the
amount of people dying and the amount of people suffering

(06:07):
from domestic violence, and I just thought, you know, I
want to just put myself out there enough to start
the conversation and get the awareness that it needs to
be able to get help to those who need it.
So that's the most important thing for me, is getting help.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
In terms of the physical preparation, you're three weeks out.
What does your training look like at the moment.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yes, I mean I've been training the last nine months.
Obviously looking after my body is the most important thing,
and obviously keeping me free of injuries is the most
important thing. So it's just been a sort of gradual
process that I've been working with my team and my
running coach Greg just to sort of keep me free
of injuries and just obviously getting me through, you know,

(06:51):
the last nine months, and you know, sort of before
Christmas was like running daily, just sort of getting that
body used to just you know, being on its feet.
After Christmas it was more sort of running twice a day.
But I've been running about six days a week the
last nine months, with two strength and conditioning days. But yeah,
the most important thing has just been keeping me injury free.

(07:13):
Obviously had niggles here and there, Like we're only human, right,
It's just going to be a completely different ballgame when
I'm on the road. Obviously, this is something that you
can't physically prepare for, right otherwise I'd be running seven
hundred and seventy k's a week, which is just nuts.
But I've always said that I'm really confident in my
team and really confident in my ability to just get

(07:33):
out on the road and just just hit the ground
running and not be too naive. And I think this
is going to be a breeze because it's not. I
know that I'm going to struggle. I know it's going
to be hard. But I think the mindset I have
is that me running one hundred and ten k's for
thirty four days is nothing compared to being in a
domestic vihance relationship.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
What do you expect a day on the road to
look like.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, so obviously I've got a team of four people
on the road, my partner Nat who's head of logistics
Sports Cairo, a videographer coming on the road to capture
you know, the good bits and the bad bits too.
But yeah, look, I did one hundred and ten k's
about two weeks ago, and all up with breaks it
was about fifteen hours. So I've always been quite comfortable

(08:15):
with not being the fastest runner. And I don't think
this is about setting PBS for me. It's just about
going the distance. And I always like to say running
distance and breaking the silence around domestic violence. So I'm
probably looking at at least all up with breaks around
sixteen hours a day. I've been working with a guy
called Rob Mason who's been helping my mindset, and it's

(08:35):
about just taking it in small chunks, right. I just think, okay,
well that's eleven ten k's. Just just do ten k's, Okay,
then do another ten k's and that's how I like
to break it up. Otherwise you look at one hundred
and ten k's and you go, holy smokes, that's so
so long.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
In that one hundred and ten k practice run, did
you go to a dark place mentally?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, So my brick wall was at around sixty sixty
k's and I remember at sixty k's I sort of
dropped down to a bit of a walk and I
was sort of muttering to myself like just keep going,
like it's all right, and my partners like, who are
you talking to? Like I'm talking to myself, And again
I think it's just narrating your ego and yourself, talk

(09:17):
to yourself and that little voice inside of you. So
I did go to somewhat of a dark place, but
I don't think it's nowhere near compared to what I'll
be going through on the road.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I don't think I really know what's coming.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Do you have like a mantra or a set of
words that you think you'll come back to in those
kind of dark times?

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, I've got some really weird things that I do.
I like, I've got quite an active brain. I've got
an ADHD brain, right, so it serves me in a
way that I can sort of hyper focus. So I
suppose I like to play games. I suppose it is
one thing that works with my head, you know, like
three things I can see, smell, and hear.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
So just sort of take my mind.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Off of what I'm physically doing, you know, running the
straights and walk in the bends, like just to keep
my mind active, stay in present in the moment, I
think is quite an important thing as well, and just
allow my body to feel what it feels and not
try and sort of bottle up any of that and
just let let the emotions flow.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Right. There's another person, William Googe. I don't know if
you've heard of him. He's going to attempt to become
the fastest runner across Australia starting on April fifteenth, and
he wants to do it in thirty five days. Will
you be watching his content to see how he's faring.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
And I haven't heard of William No, no, But I
suppose all I can say to that, I just think
I hats off to people that you know, obviously willing
to put themselves out there and go for a record
and push their body to the absolute limits. Obviously breaking
a record is pretty cool, But for me, the most
important thing is raising the million dollars for people, you know,

(10:57):
obviously Rise Up and people.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Experiencing the mess violence.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
That's the most important thing to me, and not to
have that expectation that it's like I must do it
in this amount of time. Obviously that's my goal and
I'll do my utmost best to do that.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
And so you are raising money for Rise Up. The
goal is a million dollars and it's a domestic violence
prevention charity. Why have you chosen this specific charity and cause?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
In twenty twenty four I found out my sister had
been suffering in a domestic violence relationship over in the UK,
all while trying to raise a child, and we had
no idea how to navigate it or reach out and
speak up about it as a family because it's something
that we've never really been exposed to as a family.
And my sister left in the middle of the night

(11:44):
and went back to my mum's house. Now, Rise Up
Australia are an amazing charity. They take people that are
experiencing domestic violence from refuge into housing and completely set
them up with a fresh start. And now I'm talking
like everything, food, bed, like you name it, they'll put
it in the house for them. So just being able
to give people like that fresh start. And obviously people

(12:08):
flee domestic violence with nothing but the clothes on their back. Now,
I count myself lucky that my sister had somewhere safe
to go, but a lot of people have that, So
that's why it's such an important charity. On average, rise
up furnishing around twelve homes a week. They're saying no
to a lot of people, which is heartbreaking, right, especially

(12:28):
when people are experiencing that they've got kids. Yeah, I
just I just can't imagine. So obviously the million dollars,
that's one hundred and sixty four houses that we could
fully furnish and help those experiencing domestic violence and give
them a fresh start. So yeah, that's why I'm running
all that way to help advocate and promote it.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Amazing. And let's end on a bit of a quick
fire around what is your go to food while you're
out on the road.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
I do love noodles, right, Yeah?

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Do you love?

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:58):
They're really nice, they sit really well, belly, peanut butter
as well as you just scooping that or bisco.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Off favorite song that you'll be tapping into in those
dark times.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yeah, so a bit. I think I was born in
the wrong era.

Speaker 4 (13:10):
I listened to quite a lot of things, but I
do love Abba rock Me.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
It's quite a pump up song. I do love to
have a little sing to that when I'm running.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
And do you like hills or I hate hills?

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I don't mind them. I've learned to sort of embrace them.
There's a lot of benefits from running up hills.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Yeah, and the Daily I was team. We're signing up
for the City's Surf Yeah, nice in August. Do you
have any advice for the runners in the team.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, I mean, obviously, get a group of you together
and just feed off each other's energy. I'm very big
on just running your own race and running your own
pace as well. Don't feel that you have to run
four or five minute paces. Have a laugh and yeah,
I suppose to get some jokes up your sleeves and yeah,
tell it's overs some jokes when you're running City to serve,
but yeah, just enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Great. Well, thanks fran it's been a pleasure having you on.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, thanks for having me we will be keeping a
close eye on how Frown is going. You can go
over to her social media where she's keeping everyone updated
every single day on how her run of one hundred
and ten kilometers per.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Day is going.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
That's all we have today. I hope you enjoy voting
today if you are doing that for the election. Hopefully
the next time you hear from us, we will know
the result of today's election and we'll be breaking it
all down for you. But until then, have a good day.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda
Bunjelung Kalkutin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges
that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the
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Strait Island and nations. We pay our respects to the
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