March 31, 2025 • 17 mins
Australia’s most listened to radio show has breached decency standards, the media watchdog has found. The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) launched a formal investigation into the Kyle and Jackie O show after receiving a listener complaint in June. It has now found segments of the show – hosted by Kyle Sandilands and Jackie ‘O’ Henderson – “would be considered offensive to any reasonable person listening to the broadcast”. Today, we’ll explain everything you need to know about this investigation, where it came from, what it found, and what it means for the popular breakfast radio duo.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the first of April.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Emma Gillespie, I'm Zara Seidler. Happy April Fools, them,
Happy April Fools.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hopefully no one's getting tricked this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Difficult as a news outlet to do April fools. Well,
so we're just not gonna try.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're not going to go there.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But good luck to everyone. Hats off to you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Australia's most listened to radio show has breached decency standards,
according to the media watchdog. The Australian Communications and Media
Authority AKMA launched a formal investigation into the Kyle and
Jackie Oh Show last year after it received a listener
complaint in June. It has now found segments of the show,
hosted by Kyle Sandlans and Jackie O Henderson quote would
(00:58):
be considered offensive to any reasonable person listening to the broadcast. Today,
we're going to unpack everything you need to know about
this investigation, where it came from, what it found, and
what it means for this very popular breakfast radio duo.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And when I think of Carl and Jackio. I think
of this like omnipresent presence. When I went to school
on the radio every single day, you know, always being
talked about among kids in the school yard, that sort
of thing. But I recognize, of course that I grew
up in Sydney and that Carl and JACKIEO had this
real stronghold over Sydney. But if you grew up in
(01:36):
other parts of the country that wasn't necessarily the case.
So for listeners who haven't grown up with them in
the car or on the bus YEP, what do people
need to know about Carl and JACKIEO? And I guess
their presence in the Australian radio media scene.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I think even if you aren't in Sydney, where
they've broadcast for so many years, you're probably familiar with
Kyl and Jackio through the lens of controversies, through the
lens of headlines. They do broadcast in Melbourne. Now we're
going to get recent a little bit into that exactly,
but before we dive in, I do think it's important
to understand the scale of Kyle and Jackie Oh, the
(02:12):
scale of this show. It's a commercial radio breakfast show.
Hosted by Kyle who.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Is now fifty three.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Jackie is fifty on the Kiss network every morning. Now,
as you mentioned, Zara, they are a mainstay of Sydney Radio.
They've been working together since two thousand and they've pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Much broken in. I wonder it feels like they've been
at every point of my life. They literally have been.
We have grown up with them.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They've been on air for twenty five years this year
and they've broken pretty much every record there is to
break in Australian radio. They're the most listened to show
in the country. They are the highest paid media personalities
in Australia, above any television presenter. Ever, in November twenty
twenty three, they signed a ten year deal, reportedly worth
two hundred million dollars, securing their place not only on
(02:58):
Sydney's Kiss until twenty thirty four, but also expanding their
reach to include Melbourne. Now, this is a really important
part of the story because Melbourne is where this complaint
that AKMA investigated actually came from.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Okay, so let's deal with the Melbourne part first, and
then with the AKMA complaint second. So we mentioned earlier,
it's fairly recent that Kyle and Jackieyo have been exported
as such to Melbourne because their Sydney base. They record
from Sydney. What do we need to know about why
they have launched in Melbourne and what it's been like
in that market.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yes, so it's part of this broader plan to nationally
syndicate the show, to bring it to broader audiences, and
that's something that Kyle and jack Yo have been honest
about with kind of their ambitions that they want to
take the show two more cities. So Kiss in Melbourne
already had a breakfast show when this deal was announced,
that was the Jason Lauren Show and it was acted
(03:54):
from the network after two and a half years on air. Now,
there was a fair bit of backlash in Melbourne to
that anouncement at the time. Nova, a commercial station, eventually
signed Jason Lauren in Melbourne and since then they've actually
grown their audience really significantly. Jason Lauren, Jason Lawren exactly
with Nova, while Kyle and Jackyo have really struggled in Melbourne.
(04:16):
The first radio ratings of twenty twenty five dropped last
week and that gave us the kind of first taste
this year of how all the radio networks and programs
are performing now. The Kyle and JACKIEO Show in Melbourne
ranked six amongst the commercial stations, an eighth overall for
Breakfast Nova at the same time, which recruited Jason Laurn
(04:36):
from Kiss, has literally double the share that Kiss does
in Melbourne for Breakfast So that's the five point thirty
to nine am slot.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
There's so much to be said just on this topic alone,
and you know that there are many reasons being put
forward as to why Kyl and Jacko haven't flourished, perhaps
as much as they.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Were expected to.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Also important to note it's still fairly early days, so yeah,
their fortunes could still shift there in the Melbourne market.
I know my partner who's Melbournie, and I have thought
about this on many an occasion. We won't get into that.
I do just want to compare though, the Melbourne versus
Sydney thing. Clearly, Carl and jack Yo are massive in Sydney.
Can you just paint the pictures to how massive they are?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So while we know that this is a show that
is struggling to secure that audience in Melbourne, just yet,
it's such a different story here in Sydney. Kyle and
jack Yo lead the commercial breakfast radio ratings by a
significant margin. So, for example, in the latest survey that
was dropped last week, Kiss has a thirteen point three
percent share of breakfast radio listeners. Its closest competitor is Goals,
(05:37):
owned by the same network arn on eight point nine percent.
And Kyl and jack Yo have won something like the
last fifty radio surveys as they're called radio surveys in
a row. So for fifty surveys back to back to
back to back, they have dominated, They have secured that
top spot, they have smashed every record, they have the
biggest share.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So the reason that we are talking about Kyl and
Jacko today is because there was a finding handed down
by AKMA, the media regulator, last week. And just to
set the scene as to where that finding kind of lands,
can you just talk me through some of the controversies
that Kyl and Jackio have found themselves embroiled in over
(06:19):
as you said, the last twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, it's I mean, this could be its own episode
talking about each of these controversies. But broadly, all you
really need to know is that they typically center around
comments made by Kyle Sandalans rather than Jackie Henderson. He
has been at the center of all these kinds of
accusations of insensitive content, vulgar content. We've seen advertisers withdraw
(06:44):
their support for the show over certain controversies, and we've
also had multiple standards investigations by AKMA which have found
breaches of decency standards on several occasions, including some stories
that made headlines on the show about discussions around empos,
discussions and comments about the Virgin Mary, Kyle Sandalan's asking
a fourteen year old about her sexual experiences. Many of
(07:07):
these I'm sure will ring bells for listeners to the
podcast today. But last year it all kind of came
to a head. We heard from Green Senator Sarah Hanson
Young in Parliament accusing the Communications and Media Regulator AKMA
of failing to investigate content breaches by Kyle and Jackie O.
And in that context, the head of AKHMA was facing
(07:28):
questions during Senate hearings. Here's a little bit of what
Hanson Young said at the time, which I think paints
its own picture.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Just a snapshot since September, jokes about people being gay,
jokes about one of the producer's Asian housemates, jokes about
dating men who are not quote white, jokes about the
sexual and racial profiles of other journalists from other stations.
(08:00):
Divisive and violent language about women and sex. This is revolting, sexist, racist, misogynistic,
divisive stuff on free to air radio from six am
in the morning to ten am in the morning, and
you haven't investigated it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
This really became quite a campaign of Senator Hanson Young's
and you know she was talking about it quite a
bit in Parliament. But what we did see happen was
that there was actually an AKMA investigation.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Right correct.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So AKMA launched a formal investigation into the Kyle and
Jackie OO Show after it received a listener complaint in June.
Now that related to a Melbourne listener who had filed
that complaint about the content of the Kyle and Jackie
Ooshow on the seventh of June. I'm going to read
you a little bit about the complaint that was made
to AKMA using that listener's words, and just a heads up,
(08:54):
there are some expletives coming up, some strong language in
this complaint. So now is your chance to turn it down.
If you've got some young people listening with you. In
the first ten minutes, this listener said, Kyle and JACKIEO
mentioned and these were their exact words, sucking koch, licking vagina,
and eating each other out, this person told Akhma. Another
(09:15):
segment that morning included discussions of sexual activity by listeners,
such as one man's description of quote the smell and
cleanliness of used sex toys displayed in his bedroom. So
that is a snapshot of what this listener complained to
Akma about. And I suppose a snapshot of the content
that appears.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
On the show. Yeah, okay, And so there was this investigation.
Obviously you've just talked through the nature of the complaint itself.
Did we hear from Kiss, which is obviously the station
that Kyle and Jacko appear on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes, So Kiss responded directly to Akma in light of
this investigation. It said the discussions in question were quote
aligned with the expectations and preferences of the audience, including
their contemporary attitudes to sex.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, I think this is also really interesting because the
argument or the defense that we hear from Kyl and
Jacio often is that this isn't new, this is what
their audience wants, and they continue to maintain their popularity,
and so they're just meeting their audience where those expectations lie.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I do think just this is such a tangent, but
I do think that it would be really interesting the
distinction between a radio show and a podcast, a podcast
being something you actively go out and seek, yeah, versus
turning on the car and the radio. You know, you
can be a passive listener like I wonder if that
would change things. I imagine it would.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think, you know, the broadcast standards and regulations that
are enforced on live radio are very different to what
podcasting is subject to now. According to data submitted to
AKMA by Kiss by the radio network, around twenty percent
of Kyle and Jacko listeners in Melbourne are aged ten
to seventeen. Wow. This is slightly lower in Sydney. Interestingly,
(10:59):
sixteen percent the audience is in that ten to seventeen category.
But Kiss has defended this content saying its core audience
are quote broad minded adults.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I find that surprising that one in five Melbourne listeners
are underage.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah. I think it really speaks to the medium of
radio and that passive listening. As you mentioned, radio I
think is something that people listen to in more communal
kind of context, like the school drop off environment.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, it is really really interesting there. So what then
were the findings of the investigation.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So AKMA found the segments in question breached the commercial
radio Code of Practice, that's that framework that commercial radio
has to adhere to in its content because they quote
offended generally accepted standards of decency with regard to the
demographic of the audience. Now that's where that kind of
young listener demo comes into play. AKMA found the discussions
(11:56):
were quote lude and explicit, sustained, and vulgar despite their
lighthearted tone. AKMAN didn't identify a breach of a separate standard, though,
so it did investigate a potential breach, which is about
a ban on programs about sex airing between six am
and seven pm. It accepted Kiss's defense that the content
(12:16):
in question was a few minutes of a four hour
program and that this means it wasn't a program primarily
about sex airing at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Fascinating, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The head of AKMA. AKMA chair narrator o'lachlan said the
segments would be considered offensive to any reasonable person listening
to the broadcast and that they were not in line
with broad community standards.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So despite AKMA finding that Carlin Jackyo did breach these standards,
Carlin Jackyo still remain very much on the air. What
penalties or what sort of ramifications are there for something
like this.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
This is a really interesting one because the consequences of
these findings pretty much have been put on hold at
the moment, and that's because in addition to Friday's findings
from AKMA, it's currently running to other investigations into the
Kyle and Jackie OO Show. So these are continuing inquiries
examining quote, possible systemic issues with the Kyle and JACKIEO Show,
(13:15):
so taking a kind of broader look at the way
the show works, the content that it's regularly discussing, as
opposed to the more specifics of an individual listener complaint.
And basically, any penalties relating to that June show from
that Melbourne listener's complaint won't be announced until all the
investigations are kind of wrapped up. But to give you
(13:36):
an idea of what might be ahead, we can look at,
you know, previous consequences that kiss and Kyle and jack
Yo have faced over ACME investigations, and that includes in
twenty twenty one, there was an inquiry into comments that
Kyle Sanderlans had made about the Tokyo Paralympics. Those comments
were found to be insensitive and disparaging, and Kiss was
(13:58):
required to hire an additional person to monitor the show's
content for two years. I should say here that prior
to that there was one full time censor on the
desk of the show.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
The show is broadcast.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
In a sixty second delay, so this is interesting. This
is very interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Want to just quickly explain for our listeners what that means? Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So what this means is that the Kyle and Jackie
O audio that you hear on the radio, they've said
that into a microphone sixty seconds earlier. Now there is
a person a sensor on a desk listening live not
in that delay, and it's their job to pick up
on any potential content breaches and to then censor them
(14:39):
from going to air. So let's say something unsavory is said,
they might go out of that as live listen into
the delay and bleep that out at the time. They
also have the capacity to dump the show, which means
to take it off air for sixty seconds to kind
of recalibrate if something really is risky. So now we
(14:59):
know since twenty twenty one there was an AKMA finding
that meant there is a second person, a second safeguard,
performing those responsibilities. I also, just really briefly before we
wrap up, Zara wanted to touch on another element of
this controversy, which has to do with a social justice group,
a group of activists called Mad Effing Witches. You might
have seen them on social media MFW. They have been
(15:22):
behind this boycott under the hashtag Vile Kyle, and it's
become a really major campaign targeting advertisers who currently support
the Kyle and JACKIEO show program. The group has been
extremely vocal about contacting these advertisers, sometimes multiple times a day,
but at least on a weekly basis, to voice their
(15:43):
kind of objection to these advertisers supporting the show. Kyle
and JACKIEO have criticized that action. In recent weeks. They
made a statement on air saying that it's unfair that
it's not listeners who are taking that action, that these
kind of grabs that are unsavory are cherry picked. Had
some other kind of media organizations weigh in. Sarah Harris
(16:04):
on the project spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.
It is a really interesting conversation. But I think if
there's anything that we should take away from this group,
it's that they are not going anywhere and they seem
determined in their fight against Kylan Jackioh.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, look so many angles here and media.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Talking about media is never a dry moment, but clearly
these findings are significant and what happens next is suddenly
something that we will keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So thank you for explaining that, Eam.
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Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, now it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Good morning and welcome to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday,
the first of April.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
I'm Emma Gillespie, I'm Zara Seidler. Happy April Fools, them,
Happy April Fools.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hopefully no one's getting tricked this morning.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Difficult as a news outlet to do April fools. Well,
so we're just not gonna try.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
We're not going to go there.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
But good luck to everyone. Hats off to you.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Australia's most listened to radio show has breached decency standards,
according to the media watchdog. The Australian Communications and Media
Authority AKMA launched a formal investigation into the Kyle and
Jackie Oh Show last year after it received a listener
complaint in June. It has now found segments of the show,
hosted by Kyle Sandlans and Jackie O Henderson quote would
(00:58):
be considered offensive to any reasonable person listening to the broadcast. Today,
we're going to unpack everything you need to know about
this investigation, where it came from, what it found, and
what it means for this very popular breakfast radio duo.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
And when I think of Carl and Jackio. I think
of this like omnipresent presence. When I went to school
on the radio every single day, you know, always being
talked about among kids in the school yard, that sort
of thing. But I recognize, of course that I grew
up in Sydney and that Carl and JACKIEO had this
real stronghold over Sydney. But if you grew up in
(01:36):
other parts of the country that wasn't necessarily the case.
So for listeners who haven't grown up with them in
the car or on the bus YEP, what do people
need to know about Carl and JACKIEO? And I guess
their presence in the Australian radio media scene.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I think even if you aren't in Sydney, where
they've broadcast for so many years, you're probably familiar with
Kyl and Jackio through the lens of controversies, through the
lens of headlines. They do broadcast in Melbourne. Now we're
going to get recent a little bit into that exactly,
but before we dive in, I do think it's important
to understand the scale of Kyle and Jackie Oh, the
(02:12):
scale of this show. It's a commercial radio breakfast show.
Hosted by Kyle who.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Is now fifty three.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Jackie is fifty on the Kiss network every morning. Now,
as you mentioned, Zara, they are a mainstay of Sydney Radio.
They've been working together since two thousand and they've pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Much broken in. I wonder it feels like they've been
at every point of my life. They literally have been.
We have grown up with them.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
They've been on air for twenty five years this year
and they've broken pretty much every record there is to
break in Australian radio. They're the most listened to show
in the country. They are the highest paid media personalities
in Australia, above any television presenter. Ever, in November twenty
twenty three, they signed a ten year deal, reportedly worth
two hundred million dollars, securing their place not only on
(02:58):
Sydney's Kiss until twenty thirty four, but also expanding their
reach to include Melbourne. Now, this is a really important
part of the story because Melbourne is where this complaint
that AKMA investigated actually came from.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Okay, so let's deal with the Melbourne part first, and
then with the AKMA complaint second. So we mentioned earlier,
it's fairly recent that Kyle and Jackieyo have been exported
as such to Melbourne because their Sydney base. They record
from Sydney. What do we need to know about why
they have launched in Melbourne and what it's been like
in that market.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yes, so it's part of this broader plan to nationally
syndicate the show, to bring it to broader audiences, and
that's something that Kyle and jack Yo have been honest
about with kind of their ambitions that they want to
take the show two more cities. So Kiss in Melbourne
already had a breakfast show when this deal was announced,
that was the Jason Lauren Show and it was acted
(03:54):
from the network after two and a half years on air. Now,
there was a fair bit of backlash in Melbourne to
that anouncement at the time. Nova, a commercial station, eventually
signed Jason Lauren in Melbourne and since then they've actually
grown their audience really significantly. Jason Lauren, Jason Lawren exactly
with Nova, while Kyle and Jackyo have really struggled in Melbourne.
(04:16):
The first radio ratings of twenty twenty five dropped last
week and that gave us the kind of first taste
this year of how all the radio networks and programs
are performing now. The Kyle and JACKIEO Show in Melbourne
ranked six amongst the commercial stations, an eighth overall for
Breakfast Nova at the same time, which recruited Jason Laurn
(04:36):
from Kiss, has literally double the share that Kiss does
in Melbourne for Breakfast So that's the five point thirty
to nine am slot.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
There's so much to be said just on this topic alone,
and you know that there are many reasons being put
forward as to why Kyl and Jacko haven't flourished, perhaps
as much as they.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Were expected to.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Also important to note it's still fairly early days, so yeah,
their fortunes could still shift there in the Melbourne market.
I know my partner who's Melbournie, and I have thought
about this on many an occasion. We won't get into that.
I do just want to compare though, the Melbourne versus
Sydney thing. Clearly, Carl and jack Yo are massive in Sydney.
Can you just paint the pictures to how massive they are?
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So while we know that this is a show that
is struggling to secure that audience in Melbourne, just yet,
it's such a different story here in Sydney. Kyle and
jack Yo lead the commercial breakfast radio ratings by a
significant margin. So, for example, in the latest survey that
was dropped last week, Kiss has a thirteen point three
percent share of breakfast radio listeners. Its closest competitor is Goals,
(05:37):
owned by the same network arn on eight point nine percent.
And Kyl and jack Yo have won something like the
last fifty radio surveys as they're called radio surveys in
a row. So for fifty surveys back to back to
back to back, they have dominated, They have secured that
top spot, they have smashed every record, they have the
biggest share.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
So the reason that we are talking about Kyl and
Jacko today is because there was a finding handed down
by AKMA, the media regulator, last week. And just to
set the scene as to where that finding kind of lands,
can you just talk me through some of the controversies
that Kyl and Jackio have found themselves embroiled in over
(06:19):
as you said, the last twenty five years.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, it's I mean, this could be its own episode
talking about each of these controversies. But broadly, all you
really need to know is that they typically center around
comments made by Kyle Sandalans rather than Jackie Henderson. He
has been at the center of all these kinds of
accusations of insensitive content, vulgar content. We've seen advertisers withdraw
(06:44):
their support for the show over certain controversies, and we've
also had multiple standards investigations by AKMA which have found
breaches of decency standards on several occasions, including some stories
that made headlines on the show about discussions around empos,
discussions and comments about the Virgin Mary, Kyle Sandalan's asking
a fourteen year old about her sexual experiences. Many of
(07:07):
these I'm sure will ring bells for listeners to the
podcast today. But last year it all kind of came
to a head. We heard from Green Senator Sarah Hanson
Young in Parliament accusing the Communications and Media Regulator AKMA
of failing to investigate content breaches by Kyle and Jackie O.
And in that context, the head of AKHMA was facing
(07:28):
questions during Senate hearings. Here's a little bit of what
Hanson Young said at the time, which I think paints
its own picture.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Just a snapshot since September, jokes about people being gay,
jokes about one of the producer's Asian housemates, jokes about
dating men who are not quote white, jokes about the
sexual and racial profiles of other journalists from other stations.
(08:00):
Divisive and violent language about women and sex. This is revolting, sexist, racist, misogynistic,
divisive stuff on free to air radio from six am
in the morning to ten am in the morning, and
you haven't investigated it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
This really became quite a campaign of Senator Hanson Young's
and you know she was talking about it quite a
bit in Parliament. But what we did see happen was
that there was actually an AKMA investigation.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Right correct.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
So AKMA launched a formal investigation into the Kyle and
Jackie OO Show after it received a listener complaint in June.
Now that related to a Melbourne listener who had filed
that complaint about the content of the Kyle and Jackie
Ooshow on the seventh of June. I'm going to read
you a little bit about the complaint that was made
to AKMA using that listener's words, and just a heads up,
(08:54):
there are some expletives coming up, some strong language in
this complaint. So now is your chance to turn it down.
If you've got some young people listening with you. In
the first ten minutes, this listener said, Kyle and JACKIEO
mentioned and these were their exact words, sucking koch, licking vagina,
and eating each other out, this person told Akhma. Another
(09:15):
segment that morning included discussions of sexual activity by listeners,
such as one man's description of quote the smell and
cleanliness of used sex toys displayed in his bedroom. So
that is a snapshot of what this listener complained to
Akma about. And I suppose a snapshot of the content
that appears.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
On the show. Yeah, okay, And so there was this investigation.
Obviously you've just talked through the nature of the complaint itself.
Did we hear from Kiss, which is obviously the station
that Kyle and Jacko appear on.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yes, So Kiss responded directly to Akma in light of
this investigation. It said the discussions in question were quote
aligned with the expectations and preferences of the audience, including
their contemporary attitudes to sex.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Fascinating.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Now, I think this is also really interesting because the
argument or the defense that we hear from Kyl and
Jacio often is that this isn't new, this is what
their audience wants, and they continue to maintain their popularity,
and so they're just meeting their audience where those expectations lie.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
I do think just this is such a tangent, but
I do think that it would be really interesting the
distinction between a radio show and a podcast, a podcast
being something you actively go out and seek, yeah, versus
turning on the car and the radio. You know, you
can be a passive listener like I wonder if that
would change things. I imagine it would.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Well.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think, you know, the broadcast standards and regulations that
are enforced on live radio are very different to what
podcasting is subject to now. According to data submitted to
AKMA by Kiss by the radio network, around twenty percent
of Kyle and Jacko listeners in Melbourne are aged ten
to seventeen. Wow. This is slightly lower in Sydney. Interestingly,
(10:59):
sixteen percent the audience is in that ten to seventeen category.
But Kiss has defended this content saying its core audience
are quote broad minded adults.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I find that surprising that one in five Melbourne listeners
are underage.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah. I think it really speaks to the medium of
radio and that passive listening. As you mentioned, radio I
think is something that people listen to in more communal
kind of context, like the school drop off environment.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, it is really really interesting there. So what then
were the findings of the investigation.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So AKMA found the segments in question breached the commercial
radio Code of Practice, that's that framework that commercial radio
has to adhere to in its content because they quote
offended generally accepted standards of decency with regard to the
demographic of the audience. Now that's where that kind of
young listener demo comes into play. AKMA found the discussions
(11:56):
were quote lude and explicit, sustained, and vulgar despite their
lighthearted tone. AKMAN didn't identify a breach of a separate standard, though,
so it did investigate a potential breach, which is about
a ban on programs about sex airing between six am
and seven pm. It accepted Kiss's defense that the content
(12:16):
in question was a few minutes of a four hour
program and that this means it wasn't a program primarily
about sex airing at the wrong time.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Fascinating, very interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
The head of AKMA. AKMA chair narrator o'lachlan said the
segments would be considered offensive to any reasonable person listening
to the broadcast and that they were not in line
with broad community standards.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
So despite AKMA finding that Carlin Jackyo did breach these standards,
Carlin Jackyo still remain very much on the air. What
penalties or what sort of ramifications are there for something
like this.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
This is a really interesting one because the consequences of
these findings pretty much have been put on hold at
the moment, and that's because in addition to Friday's findings
from AKMA, it's currently running to other investigations into the
Kyle and Jackie OO Show. So these are continuing inquiries
examining quote, possible systemic issues with the Kyle and JACKIEO Show,
(13:15):
so taking a kind of broader look at the way
the show works, the content that it's regularly discussing, as
opposed to the more specifics of an individual listener complaint.
And basically, any penalties relating to that June show from
that Melbourne listener's complaint won't be announced until all the
investigations are kind of wrapped up. But to give you
(13:36):
an idea of what might be ahead, we can look at,
you know, previous consequences that kiss and Kyle and jack
Yo have faced over ACME investigations, and that includes in
twenty twenty one, there was an inquiry into comments that
Kyle Sanderlans had made about the Tokyo Paralympics. Those comments
were found to be insensitive and disparaging, and Kiss was
(13:58):
required to hire an additional person to monitor the show's
content for two years. I should say here that prior
to that there was one full time censor on the
desk of the show.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
The show is broadcast.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
In a sixty second delay, so this is interesting. This
is very interesting.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Want to just quickly explain for our listeners what that means? Yes,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
So what this means is that the Kyle and Jackie
O audio that you hear on the radio, they've said
that into a microphone sixty seconds earlier. Now there is
a person a sensor on a desk listening live not
in that delay, and it's their job to pick up
on any potential content breaches and to then censor them
(14:39):
from going to air. So let's say something unsavory is said,
they might go out of that as live listen into
the delay and bleep that out at the time. They
also have the capacity to dump the show, which means
to take it off air for sixty seconds to kind
of recalibrate if something really is risky. So now we
(14:59):
know since twenty twenty one there was an AKMA finding
that meant there is a second person, a second safeguard,
performing those responsibilities. I also, just really briefly before we
wrap up, Zara wanted to touch on another element of
this controversy, which has to do with a social justice group,
a group of activists called Mad Effing Witches. You might
have seen them on social media MFW. They have been
(15:22):
behind this boycott under the hashtag Vile Kyle, and it's
become a really major campaign targeting advertisers who currently support
the Kyle and JACKIEO show program. The group has been
extremely vocal about contacting these advertisers, sometimes multiple times a day,
but at least on a weekly basis, to voice their
(15:43):
kind of objection to these advertisers supporting the show. Kyle
and JACKIEO have criticized that action. In recent weeks. They
made a statement on air saying that it's unfair that
it's not listeners who are taking that action, that these
kind of grabs that are unsavory are cherry picked. Had
some other kind of media organizations weigh in. Sarah Harris
(16:04):
on the project spoke about this a couple of weeks ago.
It is a really interesting conversation. But I think if
there's anything that we should take away from this group,
it's that they are not going anywhere and they seem
determined in their fight against Kylan Jackioh.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yeah, look so many angles here and media.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Talking about media is never a dry moment, but clearly
these findings are significant and what happens next is suddenly
something that we will keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So thank you for explaining that, Eam.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Thank you for putting up with me, and thank you
for joining us for another episode of The Daily os.
As I mentioned last week, we have just wrapped up
our biggest month of podcasting ever and that is thanks
to you.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Thank you for your support.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
If you want to send this episode to a friend,
that is what helps us grow. So thank you in
advance and have a great day. My name is Lily
Madden and I'm a proud Arunda Bungelung Kalkotin woman from country.
The Daily oz acknowledges that this podcast is recorded on
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all Aboriginal and torrest rate island and nations. We pay
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