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April 16, 2025 42 mins

Transgender women are not legally women, the Supreme Court declared in a landmark ruling on Wednesday.


The judges’ unanimous decision follows a years-long legal battle between gender-critical campaigners and the Scottish Government over the definition of a woman. Now pressure is growing on Keir Starmer to clarify the Government's position.


Kamal and Camilla were at the court to get reaction from Julie Bindel and Helen Joyce – feminist writers and activists who say despite today’s win, the fight against trans ideology in UK institutions is not over.


They also hear from Joanna Cherry, the former SNP MP who went to war with her party colleagues over trans issues. She calls for “an apology from some of the politicians who pushed this ideology”, including Nicola Sturgeon.


Producer: Lilian Fawcett

Senior Producer: John Cadigan

Executive Producer: Louisa Wells

Planning Editor: Venetia Rainey

Social Media Producer: Ji-Min Lee

Camera Operator: Andy Mackenzie

Video Editor: Valerie Browne

Production assistance from Anna Johnson

Original music by Goss Studio


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