September 16, 2025 • 67 mins
Charlie Kirk’s assassination has shaken America. A 31 year old conservative commentator gunned down while addressing students in Utah now joins the tragic roster of public figures lost to violence. But what may be just as troubling is our divided response, with some mourning, some weaponizing, and some celebrating. This episode reflects on the crisis of political violence and the quieter, yet significant, civilizational fault line of delayed marriage. Can we still see one another as human, and can we rebuild the family structures that sustain civilization? The facts are stark and sobering. On September 10th, Kirk was addressing a crowd of 3,000 at Utah Valley University when a shot rang out from a rooftop 400 yards away. The shooter, identified as 22 year-old Tyler Robertson, struck Kirk in the neck. Despite medical intervention, Kirk did not survive. But what followed his death may be equally troubling, a nation seemingly unable to unite even in condemning political violence.
Media coverage splintered along predictable lines. Mainstream outlets reported clinically on the investigation, while conservative voices called Kirk a martyr, and some progressive corners focused on his controversial rhetoric. More disturbing were the celebrations from corners of the internet, people cheering the death of a man simply for what he believed. This response reveals our collective failure to hold two truths simultaneously: that we can despise someone's politics while still grieving their death as a human being. Beyond Kirk's assassination, this episode explores another quieter but equally serious crisis, the postponement of marriage in American society. As Albert Moeller argues, delayed marriages lead to declining birth rates, which threaten demographic stability and cultural continuity. From Europe to Asia, nations face population collapse, with America buffered only by immigration. This represents not just a personal choice but a structural problem shaped by economic pressures, housing costs, and a culture that prioritizes career over commitment. What connects these seemingly disparate topics is a fundamental question about our shared humanity and future. Can we see beyond our political differences to recognize each other as fellow citizens? Can we rebuild the foundations of family and community that sustain civilization? The answers will determine whether we step back from the abyss or continue our dangerous descent. Join us as we navigate these difficult waters, seeking not easy answers but honest reflection on where we are and where we might go from here. Subscribe and share your thoughts as we work to understand these challenging times together.
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Speaker 2 (00:00):
Welcome to the Darrell McLean show independent
media that won't reinforcetribalism.
We have one planet.
Nobody is leaving.
So let us reason together.
Friends, we need to talk Ontoday's show still under the
shadow Of what we were underlast week, the kind of shadow
that just doesn't dim a room butit creeps into the bloodstream
of a nation.
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So, if you have not been aware,last week, on a college campus
in Utah, charlie Kirk,31-year-old, founder of Turning
Points, usa, one of the mostprominent conservative
commentators in America, wasshot and killed while speaking
to a crowd of students.
A rifle, a rooftop and a140-yard shot across a courtyard
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.
He was rushed to the hospitaland he did not leave.
So now let me start like thisthis isn't about whether you
liked Charlie Kirk.
This isn't about whether youdespised him.
This isn't about whether youagreed with his politics, his
provocations, his rhetoric oreven his brand of conservatism.
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Death has a way of cuttingthrough all of that.
A bullet doesn't stop to askwho you voted for, and because
of that, the question before usis now isn't just who was
Charlie Clark, though that willmatter, it is.
What does this event, what doeshis assassination mean for us,
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the people who have kept livingtogether and who will have to
keep living together in afragile, fragile republic.
Here's what we know.
On September the 10th, charlieClerk was on stage at Utah
Valley University as a part ofthis America Comeback Tour.
The audience was around 3,000strong.
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In the middle of the event, ashot rang out from a rooftop
about 400 yards away.
He was hit in the neck.
He was rushed to a regionalhospital and he was later
pronounced dead.
The shooter so far has beenidentified as a 22-year-old,
tyler Robertson, who wasarrested two days later.
The FBI says his DNA was foundon a weapon and other items near
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the rooftop.
Robertson has not cooperatedwith investigators.
Early reports suggest he mayhave had an obsession with Kirk,
some personal fixation mixedwith a fog ideology, but a clear
motive has not yet beenconfirmed.
Authorities are treating it asa political assassination.
Now Donald Trump, who remainsthe most polarizing figure in
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American politics, announcedthat Kirk will receive the
presidential ballot of freedomposthumously, and flags across
the country have been ordered tobe put at half staff.
Now here's the media divide.
If you want to know where thereal story is, don't just look
at the crime scene.
You have to look at thecoverage and we have to look at
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how the media ecosystemresponded, because the killing
of Charlie Clark was the onlytragedy.
It was the test of how dividedwe actually are.
Mainstream outlets like theAssociated Press, cbs, rutters,
stuck to the script the what,when, where, how.
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Their term was factual,cautious.
They talked aboutinvestigations about the shooter
, about the spreading of videosonline.
The Los Angeles Times and PBSwarned about how graphic footage
of Kirk's shooting ricochetedacross TikTok and X before
moderators could catch up.
Euronews pointed out how socialmedia turned a moment of
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violence into a viral spectacle.
On the other hand,conservatives meet a lean
hearted to symbolism.
Some called Kirk a martyr martyr.
Some said outright we are atwar.
The figure of blame pointed atthe radical left, at
universities, at a culture ofdisdain for conservative figures
.
And then you had critics, thecommunists, the cultural
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commentators, people like uhcamu bell in the san San
Francisco Carnival, arguing thatempathy shouldn't become
performance.
That Kirk himself revealed inthe combative rhetoric that now
complicates how people react tohis death.
The Guardian ran reflectionsthat stretched back to the
assassination of the 1960s,asking if this was the beginning
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of a darker phase in Americanlife.
And the watchdogs at CBS News,axios Wired, calling for the
failures are calling out thefailures.
I just have AI search enginesthat misidentify suspects and
social platforms that letconspiracy theories run wild
within hours.
So the coverage itself became amirror and a reflection of who
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we are and why we are sofractured.
So let's be clear when someoneis gunned down in broad daylight
, it should be the simplestmoral reflex in the world.
We mourn the dead, we condemnthe violence, we let justice
take its course, but we do notlive in a country where moral
reflexes are simple anymore.
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Instead, we saw a celebrationfrom some corners of the
Internet.
We saw gloating memes, cheersat death of a man for what he
believed, and we also saw anger,despair and cause of
retribution.
On the other side, universitiesbegan firing employees for
insensitive posts.
A professor in Colorado wassuspended.
A staffer at Virginia SchoolDistrict lost her job.
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It's not just about what youthink anymore.
It's about what you tweet, whatyou like, what you say in the
heat of the moment online.
In some ways, the reactionbecame a second order.
Violence played out in ourcareers, reputations and
livelihoods.
So here we are.
A political assassination hasexposed not just the fragility
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of public safety, but also thefragility of our public speech.
Of course, sometimes when wesee things like this and it's so
raw, I say we need to go backand look at the history because
we even though America is a veryyoung nation we have been here
before the 1960s carried thefunerals of John F Kennedy,
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martin Luther King Jr, malcolm X, robert Kennedy, medgar Evers
all inside of half a decade.
Back then you heard aboutkillings on the radio, on Walker
Concrite television broadcasts.
Today you see the blood in 4Kresolution on a loop feed to
your phone before the body iseven cold.
Violence isn't new.
What's new is the speed andsaturation, and what's dangerous
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is the desensitization whenassassination goes from
unthinkable rupture to somethingyou can scroll past on your way
to a cooking video.
Our republic is losing more thanone life.
It is losing its collectivegasp, its reverence for the
sacredness of human life.
So Charlie Kirk's death is araw search test, as they call it
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.
For some, it proves America hasbecome too tolerant of hatred
for others, for left and right.
It's a good reminder of howtoxic left and right wing
rhetoric can be sometimes.
It's a reminder of how itpoisons the well and makes
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enemies for still others.
It's a reason to retreat frompolitics altogether to say this
country is lost.
But I'll tell you what I think.
Actually it shows and this is adeeper analysis that I'm
working on we are terrible atholding two truths together.
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We are terrible at saying Idespise your politics but I
grieve your death.
We are terrible at holding twotruths together.
We are terrible at saying Idespise your politics but I
grieve your death.
We are terrible at saying Ifound you wrong but I will not
cheer for your execution.
We are terrible at rememberingthat disagreement is not war,
that argument is notassassination.
We don't know yet why TylerRobertson pulled the trigger.
Maybe obsession, maybe ideology, maybe both.
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But whatever his motive is, theeffect is the same.
On another American is deadbecause violence was easier than
speech.
So where does that leave us?
First, in the state of mourning, because, however you slice it,
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a 31-year-old man is gone andhis family is left shattered.
That alone should be enough toquiet the noise for at least a
breath.
Second, we have to deal withthe state of reckoning, because
political violence doesn'thappen in a vacuum.
It happens in an atmosphere, anatmosphere of demonization, of
zero-sum politics and ofpermitted outrage and of course
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outrage is permanent butselective and, third, in a state
of choice, because we canchoose whether this becomes one
more step down into the abyss ofrhetorical hate.
One moment will be paused andsay not like this.
So, friends, the assassinationof Charlie Kirk is not just a
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headline, it's actually a fortin the road.
Do we, as a country, doubledown on language of enemies and
martyrs, or do we remember whatit means to be fellow citizens,
even in the fiercest ofdisagreements?
So, over the next few hours, orhowever long this takes, I'm
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gonna put apart, I'm gonna tryto work this through.
The shows are are going to be abit more longer, because I
think it's what's needed at themoment.
I'm going to have to talk abouta lot of things from a lot of
different angles, so we're goingto be, for the most part,
putting out content every dayagain until we get back to some
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sort of normalcy, because let mejust tell it to you plain, I
think, is what I need to do.
Um, if we double down on thelanguage of enemies, if we do
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this whole who's a martyr andwho's the citizen and who's not
a citizen and we have a fiercedisagreement about everything, I
don't know where we get thefact of the investigation, the
media response, the role oftechnology and the moral
responsibility of those of uswho believe in civic life and
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who are not to be ruled by a gun.
But this is just theintroduction, and it's even in
the introduction.
It still sits heavy because,whether you loved somebody or
you hated somebody, or you evennever heard of the person before
last week, charlie kirk's deathis still a warning flare in the
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night sky.
Ignore it and it darkens, itonly grows deeper, and we will,
will, will do some more work onthis at the end, and but I have
it and I and I'm it's, I have toa lot say about it, but I'm
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going to try to connect thesedots.
You'll see where I'm going, andso I'm going to step away from
that for a moment the noise ofthe daily news cycle, the blood,
the outrage, the endless chaseof headlines and take up
something a little quieter but,in its own way, just as deadly
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serious.
Albert Moeller, the SouthernBaptist thinker, put it bluntly
last week Delaying marriage isnot just a lifestyle choice.
In his words, it is acivilizational crisis.
Now some of you may scoff tocivilizational crisis, because
civilization doesn't collapsejust because 20-somethings want
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to live in a studio apartmentand date a little longer.
But stop and think about it.
From the long arc of history,civilizations are built on GDP
charts and not campaign slogans.
They are built on families.
They are built, more often thannot, on marriage.
Remove that pillar or evenweaken it, and I'm starting to
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see how this whole wholestructure stumbles Now.
Moeller's argument is simple thelater people marry, the later
they have children.
If they have them delay longenough, and birth rates collapse
.
Birth rates collapse and so dopopulations.
Populations can collapse and sodoes the cultural memory, the
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sense of the continuity thatties a people together across
generations.
So you have to look at Europe,italy, spain, germany, all
facing democratic winters.
Japan has entire towns wherethe average age is over 60 and
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the sound of school bells havebeen long, long gone.
China, once boasting of abillion strong, now faces the
fastest population decline inmodern history.
The united states has buffereda little, and the crazy thing
about that is that's purely justbecause of immigration and by
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our slightly higher fertilityrates.
But the trend line isunmistakable Fewer marriages,
later marriages, fewer children.
Now, from my chompskin lens, I'mgoing to say it this way
because, while Moeller sees itas a theological crisis.
I see it as well.
I also see it as a structureproblem.
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It as well.
I also see it as a structuralproblem.
People don't just wake up onemorning and decide to reject
marriage.
They are shaped by forces abovethem economic, political and
cultural.
Why are people postponingmarriage?
Crushing student debt thatmakes it feel irresponsible to
start a family, housing coststhat locked young couples out of
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stable neighborhoods, wagesthat have stagnated for 40 years
while the cost of raisingchildren has skyrocketed.
A culture that sells career assalvation works first, family
maybe later.
And an entertainment, anentertainment economy that keeps
adolescents stretched intomid-30s, where you can rent
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friends, rent experience, rentintimacy, but never have a
covenant.
Now, that's not just a personalchoice.
That's a system designed todelay commitment, because
delayed commitment keeps peoplepayable better consumers, better
workers, less rooted inanything and therefore less
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resistant.
Now I do have not just a rightnow view.
I have a historical lens toback this up.
If a civilization rise and fallon family structures, that's my
claim.
History backs this up.
If a civilization rise and fallon family structures, that's my
claim.
History backs this up.
When rome was collapsing, one ofthe signs was a breakdown of
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family life.
Aristocrats put off marriage,avoided children, pursued
pleasure.
The empire survived a long time, and then it didn't.
Empire survived a long time,and then it didn't.
Conquests and democratic corestarted to hollow out.
The same was true in the stateof late stage Greece, and the
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same is true now in parts ofEurope where governments pay
people to have babies, and itstill doesn't move the needle.
Civilization is not only loston a battlefield.
Sometimes it just fades onepost-bond wedding at a time.
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Now Mueller insists on thisoften.
I hear him talk about itregularly, and I think he is
right, because I think thatMueller's instincts is correct,
his instincts that marriage isnot just sociology, it's
theology.
In a Christian vision, marriageis a covenant, not just a
contract.
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It is a sign that human beingswere not made to be autonomous
fragments but actually to bebound together in promise.
Autonomous fragments, butactually to be bound together in
promise.
And yet the modern world hassomewhat redefined marriage as a
lifestyle accessory, somethingthat you add on once your career
is stable, once your travelsare done, once you've found
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yourself.
So your actual covenant getsdowngraded to a contract, and a
contract is infinitely delayable.
Now, from this angle, postponingmarriage is not neutral, it's
somewhat rebellion.
It says I will not bind myselfuntil I have maximized myself.
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So let me put it plainly youknow, we're raising generations
that know how to hook up but nothow to commit.
They know how to swipe right,but not how to walk down an
aisle.
And the cause of that isn'tjust loneliness, it's social
fragility and societal death andsocietal death.
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Every time someone says I'llwait to marry until I can afford
it, what they're really sayingis the economy is more powerful
than a covenant.
Every time someone says I wantto get my career in order first,
what they're really saying ismy job owns me more than my
promises will.
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Now, that's not their faultentirely.
That's the world we built forthem, but it's a world that
cannot sustain itself forever.
Notice also who marries andwhen the upper class, the elites
, still marry, still form stablehouseholds, still pass on
wealth and still are able tohave stability to their children
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, it's the working class and thepoor who face the heaviest
burdens the broken homes,delayed marriage, fewer children
, more work, less familyconnections, more isolation.
Now I would argue that thisisn't just about family values,
it's about inequality.
Marriage itself has become aclassmaker and that gap only
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widened if nothing changes.
So here's the choice Either wetake seriously that marriage
matters and covenant-filledcivilizations, or we drift into
a demographic ice age, alreadyvisible in Europe and Asia.
This isn't about forcing anyoneto marry.
It's about telling the truth.
If people will not reproduce,if people will not bind
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themselves together acrossgenerations, then their culture
will disappear.
Their culture will not last.
So Moeller sees this as atheological truth.
I would like to assume thatChomsky would say it's a
structural reality.
I say it's both, and ignoringit will not make it go away.
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We are at a civilizational faultline and, unlike most of the
headlines, this doesn't shout atyou, it whispers.
You don't hear the collapse ofbirth rates and the breaking
news.
You only see it when it's toolate, when the schools close,
when the neighborhoods are emptyand when the language itself
begins to fade because therearen't enough children left to
carry it on.
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Postponing marriages may feellike a private choice, but it is
one of the most public acts acivilization makes.
If Moeller is right and I dothink he is on this then this
isn't just about individuals.
This is about whether we stillbelieve in a future.
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Now we are living through amoment where public figures have
been murdered, died, not passed, not lost, murdered.
And that word matters, becausemurder isn't natural, it's an
actual, it's an interruption,it's a glitch in the system,
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it's theft, speaking on stage inUtah who was gunned down and
already the noise machine hasswallowed him Already.
Hot takes memes, modernnarratives, the gleeful
celebrations, the drowning outof truth that should stop us in
our tracks.
A human being was killed and wetalk about this in a way that I
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think we have to resist thepull toward abstraction, because
once someone becomes only asymbol, we stop seeing the blood
, we stop seeing the grief, andhistory shows us that this is
nothing new.
Think back to the 1960s.
Martin Luther King Jr Shot onthe balcony in Memphis.
Maker Everest murdered in hisown driveway in Jackson,
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mississippi.
Malcolm X gunned down in Harlemas his daughters watched.
Now, everyone I just mentionedthese men were lightning rods,
loved by many, despised byothers.
Their words unsettled thecomfortable.
But whether you saw them asprophets or agitators, that fact
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is unimportant.
The fact that is important isthat they were flesh and blood,
that they were husbands, fathers, sons.
A murderer ripped them away.
What did the country do?
Too often, it turned them intoicons, martyrs for the left,
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villains for the right, and inthe process, the human weight of
their loss was somehow eclipsedFast forward.
Ronald Reagan survived hisattempt, but others didn't.
George Wallace shot and leftparalyzed.
And now Kirk?
Agree or disagree with them,they were targeted not as men
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but as a symbol.
Someone decided that a bulletwas better than an answer or
than a ballot, and again thetemptation is the same Erase the
humanity, amplify the ideology.
If you kill them, call themheroes If you didn't shrug or
even celebrate.
But that's not honest.
The honest part is a wife losta husband, a family lost their
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future.
And let's not forget those inthe supposed who.
We would kind of, I guess,consider the center.
John F Kennedy got down inDallas.
Robert F Kennedy in a hotelkitchen in Los Angeles.
Abraham Lincoln, watching aplay in Forest Theater, struck
down in the middle of anordinary night.
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These weren't fringe figures,they weren't the left's radicals
or the right warriors.
They were in many ways thefaces of what is actually
mainstream America.
And still they fell.
Violence doesn't check partylines.
Murder doesn't ask where yousit on the spectrum, it asks
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only who has become a symbol bigenough for me to hate what we
seem to forget at this moment.
Each time the nation haswrestled with grief and division
, and each time people reach forthe easy road idealize or
demonize.
But the harder road is to sitwith the truth that before they
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were public figures, they werehuman beings, and that's what I
don't want us to forget now.
So Charlie Kirk wasn't just aconservative influencer.
He was a person who could laugh, who could love, who could
bleed.
His murder isn't just apolitical movement.
It's a human wound andresponsibility cannot be lost.
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We need responsibility in thismoment.
So how do we respond?
With restraint, with honesty,with humanity.
It means refusing to cheerdeath, even of those who we
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oppose.
It means refusing theweaponizing grief into vengeance
.
It means remembering that if wedon't draw a hard line against
murder, then every ideologyisn't just waiting its turn.
And when I mean it's justwaiting its turn, I'm saying
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that every ideology is waitingits turn to bury its own.
Think about it this waySomewhere right now, a mother is
crying.
Somewhere right now, friendsare replaying old messages.
Somewhere right now, someonewho loved is asking why wasn't I
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there to stop it?
That's the human scale and itshould cut through the noise,
the noise.
So I want us to be reasonablein the moment, to resist the
easy flattening of a man into asymbol, to speak honestly about
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politics, yes, but also rememberhumanity, because if we lose
that, if every person becomesonly a pawn, a meme or martyr,
then the bullets will keepflying and each shot will echo
longer than the last.
Murder is not the end of life.
It's a mirror.
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It shows us who we are by howwe respond, and I pray we
respond as people who still knowhow to see each other as human,
as people who still know how tosee each other as human.
And because a lot of it will bemissed, I want to give us some
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context, this murder of CharlieKirk.
It joins a tragic roll callMedgar Evers, malcolm X, martin
Luther King, fred Hampton, whichwe have to talk about.
The elephant in the room thatlast name, if you haven't
figured it out.
Robert Kennedy, huey Long, alanBerg, harvey Milk, george
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Wallace, wounded but scarred forlife, left right, center.
Nobody spared, and not just inthe distant past, in our own era
.
Gabrielle Griffiths, criticallywounded in 2011.
She lived not what she used tobe six people dead around her.
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Craig Greenberg in Louisville,mayor candidate nearly
assassinated in 2022.
Paul Pelosi beaten nearly todeath in his home in 2022.
Donald Trump surviving twoassassination attempts in 2024.
Melissa Hortman and her husbandmurdered in their Minnesota
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home in 2025.
Charlie Kirk cut down on stageat 31.
The murderers of the left, theright, the center all testify to
one truth Violence is norespecter of ideology.
Each time we let the murdererbecome only symbols, we lose a
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little more of our humanity.
Charlie Kirk's murder isanother mirror.
What do we see when we lookinto it?
Mirror, what do we see when welook into it?
Are people ready to demonize?
Are people still able to stopand say a life was taken and I
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will not celebrate that choiceis actually yours and it will
echo long after the news cyclesmove on.
When I think about Charlie Kirk, I think about him in a long
history of People who userhetoric to get a point across.
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I'm going to be talking aboutthis specific issue In the
context of different fields Fora while.
This part Is me talking to youin this voice.
There will be other issuesSurrounding this that I may have
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to talk to you in a strategicvoice.
There may be some times where Ihave to talk to you as a
counselor, and there will beother times I have to talk to
you in sheer cold, robotic data.
Other times I have to talk toyou as a historian, and other
times I have to talk to you as afriend, and other times I'm
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going to have to pull from thedeep root of our different
theological, religious andspiritual traditions.
What I was saying in thebeginning is the death of
Charlie Kirk has affected megreatly because it has put me in
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a position where I have to dosomething that I did not want to
do, but I have no choice.
I have to step up and I have tofill a void that has been left
by the death of so many.
It's been a very tough year,and you always look around for a
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hero, look around for somebodyto come in and save us.
You see so much darkness andyou just want to have Superman
or Black Adam or Spider-Man comein and fix it.
And what has been tugging at mein a profound way and I have to
answer the call is the countryneeds people who see the dark
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and work hard to spread thelight.
For the, for the.
For the time being, there willbe more posts about more things
all over the place.
We will be discussing multipleissues from very different
angles.
I'll be having very differentvoices on having very important,
serious conversations.
Like I say all the time in myslogan, we have one planet.
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Nobody is leaving.
Let us reason together.
I want people who are upset withCharlie Kirk on the traditions
that he did not stand under.
I want you to think about himin the context of some of the
names that I have named,especially a name like the
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Honorable Malcolm X, who was adifferent religious tradition
than me, who saw problems.
He spoke vigorously, didn'talways use the correct language,
but he used the language thathe knew at the time.
His life was cut short theexact same way, killed at a
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rally, at a speech in front ofhis wife and children.
Charlie Kirk, on the other sideof the aisle, killed at a rally
in front of his wife and hischildren.
History does not repeat, but itoften rhymes.
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So what I'm going to do?
Because there's a lot of voiceswho want to do another thing
and they want to point out allthe awful things that Charlie
Kirk may have said.
I can acknowledge that, but theway I'm going to end this is by
letting some good things speak.
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At least give the man room forbeing a human being Our blacks
from the intellectual past.
Tonight, the person who will getthe last word will be the late
Charlie Kirk.
We have a lot of work to do.
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I'm going to be doing a lot ofwork with you.
Thank you for tuning in.
I have a plethora of questionsthat I'm going to be answering
on another episode.
I'll see you on the nextepisode.
Try your best to not lightgasoline on this fire.
So in this video that you'regoing to play, there's going to
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be a few of these.
A young woman is coming up toCharlie because he's wearing a
hat that says ICE, and so sheresponds to him in a violent
manner and she snatches the hat.
And listen to his response.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
ICE Integration constant enforcement.
Hey, don't talk about that whatare you doing?
Don't, let's have aconversation.
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No, 100%, guys, I'm not goingto press it.
Thank you, see, I'm not goingto.
I would have been pissed if Ihad worn a yellow board.
No, no, I can't believe it.
Hey, put it on mine.
We got to go shortly.
I got a question.
Sure, what was?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
your name again.
I'm sorry, I don't think I toldyou my name is Mark.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Nice to meet you.
Why are you together?
Why are you together?
Okay, I've been asked thatquestion a lot.
First of all, the questionshould not even have to be asked
.
But when people stop talking,really bad stuff starts.
When marriages stop talking,divorce happens.
When church starts happening,they fall apart.
When civilization stops talking, civil war ensues.
When you stop having a humanconnection with someone you
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disagree with, it becomes a loteasier to want to commit
violence against that group,whether it be the great genocide
, the horrible genocides of thelast 100 years.
People stop talking with eachother because they lose their
humanity.
I wish we could be here withouthaving my hat thrown off and
stuff, but what we as a culturehave to get back to is being
able to have a reasonabledisagreement where violence is
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not an option.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Now, I 100% agree with that sentiment.
I 100% agree that young womancame up to him, provoked him to
violence and he did not respondin violence, he did not press
charges, he said what he said.
Here's another one, which issomewhat eerie the topic, but
just listen to this one.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I have 30 seconds left to live.
I'm dying from a gunshot wound,but what would?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
you actually want to tell me if I have 30 seconds
left?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
to live.
Boy, you got 30 seconds.
In 30 seconds, you're about tomeet eternal judgment and
there's only one way that youcan get bailed out of that, and
it's not all the good things youdid or the moral scorecard.
It's whether or not you haveJesus Christ as your Lord and
Savior.
Amen, and that's the only thingthat's going to matter.
And so you've got 10 secondsleft of dying from a gunshot
wound and you ask the questionwho is Jesus Christ?
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And the answer to that singularquestion who is Jesus Christ is
the most important question foreveryone in the audience, not
how much money you have, not howmuch good stuff you do, it is
is jesus christ.
You might say, oh, jesus was,you know, a teller of good tales
, or jesus was a good person, orjesus was a historical figure.
None of that's going to cut.
It's whether or not you repentand you ask christ to come in as
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your lord and savior.
That's the only thing that willsave you from eternal death.
Hello, you brought a sign up,I'm sorry.
Did you bring a sign up?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
yeah, I did so my name is eric, I'm 70 years old.
I've been a born-againevangelical christian for 35
plus years.
Praise god, worship here in thevalley with a bunch of uh.
I was on worship teams in thevalley for quite a few churches,
but the holy spirit brought mehere today to prove you wrong.
Okay, and so what the HolySpirit has led me to do is to
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try to explain to you that Idon't think you're a good godly
man.
Okay, and this is why, becausewhat a godly man does a good
godly man does is stand up forpeople.
He stands, he stands up forpeople, he stands up and even
fights for people.
Okay, and I don't believe youstand up and fight for people.
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Yeah, you use your mouth.
And all these kids You're goodat all these kids.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And I didn't think you were going to.
Are they people?
Do I fight for them?
Do I fight for them?
And how dare you say that,after I just shared the gospel
to nearly?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
2,000 people here at Boise State.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
University, because there's a difference between
someone who just shares thegospel and someone who's a godly
man.
I can explain the difference toyou right now.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Okay, tell the world why I am not a godly man.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Because you only stand for people who are white,
christian and male.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
You've got.
Where's my brother up here?
Where's my man?
Look at him.
You've got to come up here.
Come up here, come up here.
Come up here.
Get over the gate.
Come over the gate.
Look at this guy here.
Look at this.
Yeah, right to the mic.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
So, for context, the person that comes that he calls
up is a black male.
That agrees with what CharlieKirk is saying.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Stand for me, we're good.
Wait, I only stand up for white.
Is that a white man?
Can you look at him, please?
Look at him.
Is that a white man?
Is that a white man?
You said I only stand up forwhite men.
He's got dreads, Are you, Areyou?
But you just libeled me infront of 2,000 people saying I
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only stand up for white men, andI got a brother in Christ right
here.
How dare you say something likethat?
I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
If you quit messing around, I'll prove it to you
right now.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Messing around, bringing up a person of color,
messing around isn't that yourwhole shtick?
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Okay, are you ready?
So, okay, so, yeah, I'm ready.
So the holy spirit, the holyspirit specifically brought me
here, because this is the idaho,this is the old west, right?
The holy spirit brought me hereto challenge you to a
gentleman's fist fight, righthere in front of this old crowd.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Now look listen, listen, listen, listen.
No, I would hate to hospitalizeyou in front of 2,000 people.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
But see see, the difference is I'm a 70-year-old
man.
I haven't been in a fight inlike 60 years.
However, Does a godly man?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
come up here and yeah , does a godly man challenge
another to a duel?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Okay, so hold on, I'm serious about this.
Can I speak, all right?
So look, I'm telling you I'mnot up here, just fight for me.
The Lord has come up to me toask for fight for people that
you dis all the time, like women.
The Lord brought you here tospeak to you Women, gay people,
trans people, immigrants, peopleof color, people of different
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religions.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
My man.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Immigrants, refugees.
So look you seriously.
I'm serious.
You can have your goons.
They can search me.
I'll sign a waiver.
I'll let you take the firstpunch.
Let's go, Put up or shut up,charlie Kirk, you know what?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
So, first of all, it says very clearly in the Bible
that we shouldn't harm thosethat are worthy of protection,
and you obviously are.
You're just worried I'll kickyour.
I'm Medicare age, but let'splay this out despite the
obvious fact and you and I bothknow who would win this duel
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However you are, hold on asecond.
This is a great embodiment ofthe American left.
You can't debate, so you wantto go to blows.
You can't.
The only thing that ispreventing us from this country
from going to civil war isdebate and dialogue, and you
don't even want to have debate.
You want to go and you want towrestle like a seven year old.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Who here is actually dividing the country?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
So it's a man's fistfight.
You know what that is rightAgain, I would like to think
that we are elevated abovetrying to go have a fight in the
streets or a fight in front of2,000 people.
In fact, a mark of civilizationis that we don't have to go to
blows or bullets, that we canhave discourse and debate, but
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yet you're inviting that and youknow that out here in the West
that's a bunch of bulls.
Oh really, you don't debate outin the West.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Real men stand up for what they believe.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
You guys don't dialogue in the West.
Come on man.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Look, I know how about this.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Why don't you, since you're a 70-year-old aged elder
and you want to have a fistfight with a 31-year-old, why
don't you tell me what a womanis?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
See, I am not here to debate you, I'm here to prove
you wrong.
Prove you wrong.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Prove him wrong.
So either put up or shut up.
I'll walk away, you tell meright now, acting as if someone
who is very desperate, who isclout chasing, and we won an
election we are going to remainpeaceful while the left promotes
violence.
We are going to peace because,as Christ, our Lord, said,
blessed are the peacemakers, fortheirs is the kingdom of heaven
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.
Thank you, sir, and get out ofhere.
I think Lamar Jackson isgetting the backlash, maybe
because you're not allowed toretweet a conservative
personality.
And I just want to say to LamarJackson I said this on my
podcast as well you are morethan welcome in this big
movement that we are building.
We don't have to grant anythingexcept Jesus, lamar.
You could be a Democrat, youcould be on the left, I don't
care.
Jesus is honestly the mostimportant thing.
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I think Lamar Jackson isgetting the backlash, maybe
because you're not allowed toretweet a conservative
personality.
And I just want to say to LamarJackson I said this on my
podcast as well you are morethan welcome in this big
movement that we are building.
We don't have to grant anythingexcept Jesus, lamar.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
You could be a Democrat, you could be on the
left, I don't care Jesus ishonestly the most important
thing Now, when you think aboutthe clips that you will hear
over the next few days, did itseem like that somebody wanted,
everybody murdered his heat?
I mean, just from those fewclips, I mean I could keep going
, I could keep going.
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Of course, I think what it isis we have to remember what the
goal of propaganda is, rememberwhat the goal of propaganda is,
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and the goal of propaganda is tomake us forget that the person
we are talking to is a ourpolitics and we're going to get
into something that's a bitolder.
I explain this in anothersegment, but this, this is what
we need to dig into.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
My prayer is that you will know that you will press
on to know the supremacy ofChrist, the supremacy of His
deity, equal with God, theFather, in all of His attributes
, the radiance of His glory andthe exact image of his nature.
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The supremacy of his eternalitythat makes the mind want to
explode with the imponderablethought that Jesus Christ never
had a beginning.
He is simply there.
The absolute reality with whichwe reckon must rise to the
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supremacy of his eternality.
While all the universe,including this building in your
body and this earth, and all thegalaxies, are fragile,
contingent, like a shadow incomparison to the substance of
Jesus Christ, we must know thesupremacy of his never-changing
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constancy.
Oh to have virtues that neverchange, a character whose
commitment is constant yesterday, today and forever.
Let us know the supremacy ofhis constancy and let us know
the supremacy of his knowledgethat makes the Library of
Congress look like a matchboxand makes all the information on
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the internet look like a 1940sarmor's almanac and makes all of
quantum physics and everythingthat Stephen Hawking has ever
dreamed look like a first gradereader.
We must know the supremacy ofthe knowledge of our Lord.
(46:38):
We must know the supremacy ofhis wisdom that has never been
perplexed by any problemwhatsoever, nor can he be
counseled by any person or anybeing in the universe.
We must know the supremacy ofhis authority.
All authority is mine, inheaven and on earth and under
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the earth.
No change, all authority,changing times and seasons,
removing kings, setting up kingsdoing according to his will in
the host of heaven and among theinhabitants of the earth.
No one can stay his hand or sayto him what have you done?
We must know the supremacy ofhis providence, without which
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not a single bird in theextended reaches of the Amazon
forest has ever fallen off ofany limb and without which not
one hair turns white or black.
We must know the providence ofJesus.
We must know the supremacy ofhis word, which upholds the
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universe by the word of hispower All the galaxies,
molecules, atoms and subatomicreality nobody has yet dreamed
of, down there where no one hasyet looked.
We must know the supremacy ofhis power to walk on water and
cleanse lepers and heal the lameand open the eyes of the blind
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and open the ears of the deafand cause storms to cease and,
with two words, to raise thedead.
Lazarus, come forth.
Or one word, to raise the deadIn your blood.
I said to you live.
We must know the supremacy ofhis power.
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We must know the supremacy ofhis purity.
He never sinned.
He never sinned.
He never had one millisecond ofa bad attitude or a sinful lust
.
We must know the supremacy ofhis trustworthiness.
He never breaks a promise.
He always keeps his wordabsolutely, without fail.
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We must know the supremacy ofhis justice.
He will render all accountssettled in the end in the
universe, either on the cross orin hell.
No injustice will remain whenchrist is finished with his
supreme justice.
We must know the supremacy ofhis patience.
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He has endured you and me fordecades.
He has endured this city andbrings the sun.
Can you imagine why the sunrose on this city this morning?
This wicked city, this world sofull of us type sinners?
And he makes paradise rise inthe sky in Minneapolis.
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What kind of patience are wedealing with here?
What kind of patience are wedealing with here?
We must know the supremacy ofhis servant-like, sovereign
obedience, kept every one of hisfather's commands absolutely
(49:58):
and in the end embraced thecross with total willingness.
We must know the supremacy ofhis meekness and loneliness and
tenderness.
He will not break a bruisedreed or quench a smoldering flax
.
We must know the supremacy ofhis wrath.
One day it will explode on thisworld from heaven, such that
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all who have rejected him willcall for rocks to crush their
brain lest they have to face thewrath of the lamb.
We must know this.
When I look at the beheadingsand I hear someone ask where is
your supreme christ?
My answer is really easy he isin heaven storing up almighty
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wrath in fury to pour out on allthose who commit such sins.
That's where he is, and youbetter get right with him and
repent, or you will all likewiseperish.
It's not a hard question toanswer biblically perish it's
not a hard question to answerbiblically.
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We must know the supremacy ofhis grace, which gives to the
spiritually dead rebels like us.
Life awakens.
Faith in hell-bound haters ofgod, justifies the ungodly with
his own righteousness.
We must know the supremacy ofhis love, which dies for us
while we are yet sinners andgives to the absolutely
(51:28):
undeserving the ability for everincreasing joy in making much
of him.
And we must know the supremacyof his gladness In the
fellowship of the Trinityinfinite power, infinite energy,
infinite joy rising, spillingover in the creation of a
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universe and becoming for you,one day, an inheritance for
every struggling saint.
We must know this is what wewere made for Press on to know
the Lord.
We are made to know Christ.
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We're not made to do littlediddly things, we're made to
know this massive Christ.
This world is little,two-second slights, and then
with him, or not, forever.
It's what we are created toknow and do and be about.
And when we know him in thoseways, we have begun to know the
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outskirts of his supremacy, fortime would fail to speak of his
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supreme severity andinvincibility and dignity and
simplicity and complexity andresoluteness and calmness and
depth and courage.
If there is anything admirable,if there is anything worthy of
praise in all the universe, itis summed up in Jesus Christ.
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He is always infinitelyadmirable in everything and over
everything, supreme over allgalaxies and endless reaches of
space, over the earth, from thetop of mount everest, 29 000
feet up to the bottom of thePacific Ocean, 36,000 feet down
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in the Mariana Trench in thePacific Rim.
He is sovereign and supremeover all plants and animals,
from the peaceful blue whale tothe microscopic killer viruses.
He is supreme over all weatherand all movements of the earth
hurricanes, tornadoes, monsoons,earthquakes, avalanches, floods
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, snow, rain, sleet.
He is supreme over all chemicalprocesses that heal or destroy
cancer, aids, malaria, flu andall the amazing race of
antibiotics and a thousandhealing drugs that we do not
deserve.
He is supreme over allcountries and governments and
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armies.
He's supreme over Al-Qaeda andthe terrorists and the
kidnappings and the suicidebombings and the beheadings.
He is supreme over bin Ladenand al-Zarqawi.
He is supreme over all nuclearthreats from Iran and Russia and
North Korea.
He is supreme over politics andelections and debates on
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Thursday.
He's supreme over media andnews and entertainment and
sports and leisure.
He's supreme over all educationin universities, no matter what
they teach, and he's supremeover all scholarship in science
and research.
He's supreme over all businessand finance and industry and
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manufacturing and transportation, and he's supreme over the
Internet and all informationalsystems.
As Abraham Kuyper famously said,there is not one square inch on
planet earth over which therisen Christ does not say my and
I rule it.
I am streamed.
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We must know this and though itmay not seem to you, and though
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it may not seem to you asthough he holds such supreme
rule now, it is but a matter ofvery short time until he comes
with the glory of his father andall his angels, in flaming fire
(56:10):
, giving relief to those whotrust him and absolutely
destroying to the uttermost, ineverlasting conscious torment,
those who have rejected him,saying where is your God?
Oh, help us Lord.
Oh, help us see and savor thesupremacy of your son.
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Give yourself to this.
It's my plea.
Give yourself to this.
Let us us know, let us press onto know the Lord.
Pray that God would show youthese things in his word.
Swim in the Bible every day.
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Don't give it a little touch asyou head off to do what you
really like to do.
Swim in the Bible every day.
It is an ocean of bright,glorious, weighty,
all-satisfying truth about theone for whom you were made.
Give yourself to being what Godcreated you to be.
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You have a brain, brain, youhave a heart, you have emotions.
He wants all of it and when heshines, blazing at the center,
this little planet is just goingto go where his emotions go.
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Question Okay, we're all sinnershere and we don't know him Like
we ought and we don't trust himLike we ought and we don't
treasure him the we ought to.
We don't trust him like weought to.
We don't treasure him the wayhe deserves to be treasured.
So what stands in the way?
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What's the main obstacle toknowing Christ's supremacy?
The biblical answer to that isclear the main obstacle to
knowing Christ's supremacy isthe absolutely just and holy
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wrath of God.
We can't know God in our sin,because the wrath of God rests
on us in our sin.
What we deserve from God is notknowledge of God but judgment
of God.
And since we're cut off fromthe knowledge of God and the
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wrath in the wrath of God, we'recut off from purity, we're cut
off from holiness.
All the planets are out oforder, no matter how secure and
successful you feel.
God doesn't owe us purity, heowes us punishment.
Therefore, we are hopelesslydepraved and condemned, except
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for one thing thing christredeemed us from the curse of
the law, having become a cursefor us, as it is written, cursed
(59:37):
as everywhere hangs our tree.
God hates sin and his wrath isinfinite against sin.
And we're all stamped anddefined by sin.
And God demands perfection Beperfect.
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Your father in heaven isperfect, you must be perfect.
Your father in heaven isperfect, you must be perfect.
Nothing short of perfectionenters my presence.
So there rests on us, demandswe cannot meet and a curse we
cannot bear.
And Christ says to his fathermay I?
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Because the father had alreadymade a covenant of redemption
with the son you shall.
And the gospel.
It is the foundation of thisconference, it's your only hope.
The gospel is that Jesus Christcame into the world and bore
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the wrath of God, the curseGalatians 3.13, one of the most
precious verses in the Bible.
He came and cursed us and heperformed a righteousness for us
, perfect, which we never couldperform, which is now, by faith
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alone, imputed to you, so thatyou may be united to this
perfect Christ, him bearing allthe curse, him providing all the
perfection, and know paradiseis open.
(01:01:26):
I can know him, I can begin togrow in knowing him, I can
actually begin to enjoy him.
He's not against me anymore.
In fact, the wrath of God hasbeen so totally absorbed by
Jesus and the perfection that Imust produce has been so totally
produced and provided by Jesusthat now only one thing governs
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God's attitude to me, and thatis mercy.
All that I experience, all mypain and all my pleasures are
mercy, mercy, mercy, everythingworking together for my good,
and therefore paradise is opento me and I can begin to see him
, know him, study him, enjoy him, grow in him and find the
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satisfaction in my soul that hewas meant to be.
The best gift of the gospel isnot the forgiveness of sins.
The best gift of the gospel isnot the imputed righteousness of
Jesus Christ.
The best gift of the gospel isnot eternal life.
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The best gift of the gospel isseeing and savoring the
supremacy of Jesus himself.
That's the best gift of thegospel, and we had no access to
that joy until it took our place.
© transcript, emily Beynon.
Welcome to the Darrell McLean show independent
media that won't reinforcetribalism.
We have one planet.
Nobody is leaving.
So let us reason together.
Friends, we need to talk Ontoday's show still under the
shadow Of what we were underlast week, the kind of shadow
that just doesn't dim a room butit creeps into the bloodstream
of a nation.
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So, if you have not been aware,last week, on a college campus
in Utah, charlie Kirk,31-year-old, founder of Turning
Points, usa, one of the mostprominent conservative
commentators in America, wasshot and killed while speaking
to a crowd of students.
A rifle, a rooftop and a140-yard shot across a courtyard
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.
He was rushed to the hospitaland he did not leave.
So now let me start like thisthis isn't about whether you
liked Charlie Kirk.
This isn't about whether youdespised him.
This isn't about whether youagreed with his politics, his
provocations, his rhetoric oreven his brand of conservatism.
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Death has a way of cuttingthrough all of that.
A bullet doesn't stop to askwho you voted for, and because
of that, the question before usis now isn't just who was
Charlie Clark, though that willmatter, it is.
What does this event, what doeshis assassination mean for us,
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the people who have kept livingtogether and who will have to
keep living together in afragile, fragile republic.
Here's what we know.
On September the 10th, charlieClerk was on stage at Utah
Valley University as a part ofthis America Comeback Tour.
The audience was around 3,000strong.
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In the middle of the event, ashot rang out from a rooftop
about 400 yards away.
He was hit in the neck.
He was rushed to a regionalhospital and he was later
pronounced dead.
The shooter so far has beenidentified as a 22-year-old,
tyler Robertson, who wasarrested two days later.
The FBI says his DNA was foundon a weapon and other items near
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the rooftop.
Robertson has not cooperatedwith investigators.
Early reports suggest he mayhave had an obsession with Kirk,
some personal fixation mixedwith a fog ideology, but a clear
motive has not yet beenconfirmed.
Authorities are treating it asa political assassination.
Now Donald Trump, who remainsthe most polarizing figure in
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American politics, announcedthat Kirk will receive the
presidential ballot of freedomposthumously, and flags across
the country have been ordered tobe put at half staff.
Now here's the media divide.
If you want to know where thereal story is, don't just look
at the crime scene.
You have to look at thecoverage and we have to look at
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how the media ecosystemresponded, because the killing
of Charlie Clark was the onlytragedy.
It was the test of how dividedwe actually are.
Mainstream outlets like theAssociated Press, cbs, rutters,
stuck to the script the what,when, where, how.
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Their term was factual,cautious.
They talked aboutinvestigations about the shooter
, about the spreading of videosonline.
The Los Angeles Times and PBSwarned about how graphic footage
of Kirk's shooting ricochetedacross TikTok and X before
moderators could catch up.
Euronews pointed out how socialmedia turned a moment of
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violence into a viral spectacle.
On the other hand,conservatives meet a lean
hearted to symbolism.
Some called Kirk a martyr martyr.
Some said outright we are atwar.
The figure of blame pointed atthe radical left, at
universities, at a culture ofdisdain for conservative figures
.
And then you had critics, thecommunists, the cultural
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commentators, people like uhcamu bell in the san San
Francisco Carnival, arguing thatempathy shouldn't become
performance.
That Kirk himself revealed inthe combative rhetoric that now
complicates how people react tohis death.
The Guardian ran reflectionsthat stretched back to the
assassination of the 1960s,asking if this was the beginning
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of a darker phase in Americanlife.
And the watchdogs at CBS News,axios Wired, calling for the
failures are calling out thefailures.
I just have AI search enginesthat misidentify suspects and
social platforms that letconspiracy theories run wild
within hours.
So the coverage itself became amirror and a reflection of who
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we are and why we are sofractured.
So let's be clear when someoneis gunned down in broad daylight
, it should be the simplestmoral reflex in the world.
We mourn the dead, we condemnthe violence, we let justice
take its course, but we do notlive in a country where moral
reflexes are simple anymore.
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Instead, we saw a celebrationfrom some corners of the
Internet.
We saw gloating memes, cheersat death of a man for what he
believed, and we also saw anger,despair and cause of
retribution.
On the other side, universitiesbegan firing employees for
insensitive posts.
A professor in Colorado wassuspended.
A staffer at Virginia SchoolDistrict lost her job.
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It's not just about what youthink anymore.
It's about what you tweet, whatyou like, what you say in the
heat of the moment online.
In some ways, the reactionbecame a second order.
Violence played out in ourcareers, reputations and
livelihoods.
So here we are.
A political assassination hasexposed not just the fragility
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of public safety, but also thefragility of our public speech.
Of course, sometimes when wesee things like this and it's so
raw, I say we need to go backand look at the history because
we even though America is a veryyoung nation we have been here
before the 1960s carried thefunerals of John F Kennedy,
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martin Luther King Jr, malcolm X, robert Kennedy, medgar Evers
all inside of half a decade.
Back then you heard aboutkillings on the radio, on Walker
Concrite television broadcasts.
Today you see the blood in 4Kresolution on a loop feed to
your phone before the body iseven cold.
Violence isn't new.
What's new is the speed andsaturation, and what's dangerous
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is the desensitization whenassassination goes from
unthinkable rupture to somethingyou can scroll past on your way
to a cooking video.
Our republic is losing more thanone life.
It is losing its collectivegasp, its reverence for the
sacredness of human life.
So Charlie Kirk's death is araw search test, as they call it
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.
For some, it proves America hasbecome too tolerant of hatred
for others, for left and right.
It's a good reminder of howtoxic left and right wing
rhetoric can be sometimes.
It's a reminder of how itpoisons the well and makes
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enemies for still others.
It's a reason to retreat frompolitics altogether to say this
country is lost.
But I'll tell you what I think.
Actually it shows and this is adeeper analysis that I'm
working on we are terrible atholding two truths together.
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We are terrible at saying Idespise your politics but I
grieve your death.
We are terrible at holding twotruths together.
We are terrible at saying Idespise your politics but I
grieve your death.
We are terrible at saying Ifound you wrong but I will not
cheer for your execution.
We are terrible at rememberingthat disagreement is not war,
that argument is notassassination.
We don't know yet why TylerRobertson pulled the trigger.
Maybe obsession, maybe ideology, maybe both.
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But whatever his motive is, theeffect is the same.
On another American is deadbecause violence was easier than
speech.
So where does that leave us?
First, in the state of mourning, because, however you slice it,
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a 31-year-old man is gone andhis family is left shattered.
That alone should be enough toquiet the noise for at least a
breath.
Second, we have to deal withthe state of reckoning, because
political violence doesn'thappen in a vacuum.
It happens in an atmosphere, anatmosphere of demonization, of
zero-sum politics and ofpermitted outrage and of course
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outrage is permanent butselective and, third, in a state
of choice, because we canchoose whether this becomes one
more step down into the abyss ofrhetorical hate.
One moment will be paused andsay not like this.
So, friends, the assassinationof Charlie Kirk is not just a
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headline, it's actually a fortin the road.
Do we, as a country, doubledown on language of enemies and
martyrs, or do we remember whatit means to be fellow citizens,
even in the fiercest ofdisagreements?
So, over the next few hours, orhowever long this takes, I'm
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gonna put apart, I'm gonna tryto work this through.
The shows are are going to be abit more longer, because I
think it's what's needed at themoment.
I'm going to have to talk abouta lot of things from a lot of
different angles, so we're goingto be, for the most part,
putting out content every dayagain until we get back to some
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sort of normalcy, because let mejust tell it to you plain, I
think, is what I need to do.
Um, if we double down on thelanguage of enemies, if we do
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this whole who's a martyr andwho's the citizen and who's not
a citizen and we have a fiercedisagreement about everything, I
don't know where we get thefact of the investigation, the
media response, the role oftechnology and the moral
responsibility of those of uswho believe in civic life and
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who are not to be ruled by a gun.
But this is just theintroduction, and it's even in
the introduction.
It still sits heavy because,whether you loved somebody or
you hated somebody, or you evennever heard of the person before
last week, charlie kirk's deathis still a warning flare in the
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night sky.
Ignore it and it darkens, itonly grows deeper, and we will,
will, will do some more work onthis at the end, and but I have
it and I and I'm it's, I have toa lot say about it, but I'm
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going to try to connect thesedots.
You'll see where I'm going, andso I'm going to step away from
that for a moment the noise ofthe daily news cycle, the blood,
the outrage, the endless chaseof headlines and take up
something a little quieter but,in its own way, just as deadly
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serious.
Albert Moeller, the SouthernBaptist thinker, put it bluntly
last week Delaying marriage isnot just a lifestyle choice.
In his words, it is acivilizational crisis.
Now some of you may scoff tocivilizational crisis, because
civilization doesn't collapsejust because 20-somethings want
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to live in a studio apartmentand date a little longer.
But stop and think about it.
From the long arc of history,civilizations are built on GDP
charts and not campaign slogans.
They are built on families.
They are built, more often thannot, on marriage.
Remove that pillar or evenweaken it, and I'm starting to
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see how this whole wholestructure stumbles Now.
Moeller's argument is simple thelater people marry, the later
they have children.
If they have them delay longenough, and birth rates collapse
.
Birth rates collapse and so dopopulations.
Populations can collapse and sodoes the cultural memory, the
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sense of the continuity thatties a people together across
generations.
So you have to look at Europe,italy, spain, germany, all
facing democratic winters.
Japan has entire towns wherethe average age is over 60 and
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the sound of school bells havebeen long, long gone.
China, once boasting of abillion strong, now faces the
fastest population decline inmodern history.
The united states has buffereda little, and the crazy thing
about that is that's purely justbecause of immigration and by
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our slightly higher fertilityrates.
But the trend line isunmistakable Fewer marriages,
later marriages, fewer children.
Now, from my chompskin lens, I'mgoing to say it this way
because, while Moeller sees itas a theological crisis.
I see it as well.
I also see it as a structureproblem.
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It as well.
I also see it as a structuralproblem.
People don't just wake up onemorning and decide to reject
marriage.
They are shaped by forces abovethem economic, political and
cultural.
Why are people postponingmarriage?
Crushing student debt thatmakes it feel irresponsible to
start a family, housing coststhat locked young couples out of
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stable neighborhoods, wagesthat have stagnated for 40 years
while the cost of raisingchildren has skyrocketed.
A culture that sells career assalvation works first, family
maybe later.
And an entertainment, anentertainment economy that keeps
adolescents stretched intomid-30s, where you can rent
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friends, rent experience, rentintimacy, but never have a
covenant.
Now, that's not just a personalchoice.
That's a system designed todelay commitment, because
delayed commitment keeps peoplepayable better consumers, better
workers, less rooted inanything and therefore less
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resistant.
Now I do have not just a rightnow view.
I have a historical lens toback this up.
If a civilization rise and fallon family structures, that's my
claim.
History backs this up.
If a civilization rise and fallon family structures, that's my
claim.
History backs this up.
When rome was collapsing, one ofthe signs was a breakdown of
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family life.
Aristocrats put off marriage,avoided children, pursued
pleasure.
The empire survived a long time, and then it didn't.
Empire survived a long time,and then it didn't.
Conquests and democratic corestarted to hollow out.
The same was true in the stateof late stage Greece, and the
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same is true now in parts ofEurope where governments pay
people to have babies, and itstill doesn't move the needle.
Civilization is not only loston a battlefield.
Sometimes it just fades onepost-bond wedding at a time.
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Now Mueller insists on thisoften.
I hear him talk about itregularly, and I think he is
right, because I think thatMueller's instincts is correct,
his instincts that marriage isnot just sociology, it's
theology.
In a Christian vision, marriageis a covenant, not just a
contract.
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It is a sign that human beingswere not made to be autonomous
fragments but actually to bebound together in promise.
Autonomous fragments, butactually to be bound together in
promise.
And yet the modern world hassomewhat redefined marriage as a
lifestyle accessory, somethingthat you add on once your career
is stable, once your travelsare done, once you've found
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yourself.
So your actual covenant getsdowngraded to a contract, and a
contract is infinitely delayable.
Now, from this angle, postponingmarriage is not neutral, it's
somewhat rebellion.
It says I will not bind myselfuntil I have maximized myself.
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So let me put it plainly youknow, we're raising generations
that know how to hook up but nothow to commit.
They know how to swipe right,but not how to walk down an
aisle.
And the cause of that isn'tjust loneliness, it's social
fragility and societal death andsocietal death.
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Every time someone says I'llwait to marry until I can afford
it, what they're really sayingis the economy is more powerful
than a covenant.
Every time someone says I wantto get my career in order first,
what they're really saying ismy job owns me more than my
promises will.
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Now, that's not their faultentirely.
That's the world we built forthem, but it's a world that
cannot sustain itself forever.
Notice also who marries andwhen the upper class, the elites
, still marry, still form stablehouseholds, still pass on
wealth and still are able tohave stability to their children
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, it's the working class and thepoor who face the heaviest
burdens the broken homes,delayed marriage, fewer children
, more work, less familyconnections, more isolation.
Now I would argue that thisisn't just about family values,
it's about inequality.
Marriage itself has become aclassmaker and that gap only
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widened if nothing changes.
So here's the choice Either wetake seriously that marriage
matters and covenant-filledcivilizations, or we drift into
a demographic ice age, alreadyvisible in Europe and Asia.
This isn't about forcing anyoneto marry.
It's about telling the truth.
If people will not reproduce,if people will not bind
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themselves together acrossgenerations, then their culture
will disappear.
Their culture will not last.
So Moeller sees this as atheological truth.
I would like to assume thatChomsky would say it's a
structural reality.
I say it's both, and ignoringit will not make it go away.
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We are at a civilizational faultline and, unlike most of the
headlines, this doesn't shout atyou, it whispers.
You don't hear the collapse ofbirth rates and the breaking
news.
You only see it when it's toolate, when the schools close,
when the neighborhoods are emptyand when the language itself
begins to fade because therearen't enough children left to
carry it on.
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Postponing marriages may feellike a private choice, but it is
one of the most public acts acivilization makes.
If Moeller is right and I dothink he is on this then this
isn't just about individuals.
This is about whether we stillbelieve in a future.
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Now we are living through amoment where public figures have
been murdered, died, not passed, not lost, murdered.
And that word matters, becausemurder isn't natural, it's an
actual, it's an interruption,it's a glitch in the system,
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it's theft, speaking on stage inUtah who was gunned down and
already the noise machine hasswallowed him Already.
Hot takes memes, modernnarratives, the gleeful
celebrations, the drowning outof truth that should stop us in
our tracks.
A human being was killed and wetalk about this in a way that I
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think we have to resist thepull toward abstraction, because
once someone becomes only asymbol, we stop seeing the blood
, we stop seeing the grief, andhistory shows us that this is
nothing new.
Think back to the 1960s.
Martin Luther King Jr Shot onthe balcony in Memphis.
Maker Everest murdered in hisown driveway in Jackson,
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mississippi.
Malcolm X gunned down in Harlemas his daughters watched.
Now, everyone I just mentionedthese men were lightning rods,
loved by many, despised byothers.
Their words unsettled thecomfortable.
But whether you saw them asprophets or agitators, that fact
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is unimportant.
The fact that is important isthat they were flesh and blood,
that they were husbands, fathers, sons.
A murderer ripped them away.
What did the country do?
Too often, it turned them intoicons, martyrs for the left,
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villains for the right, and inthe process, the human weight of
their loss was somehow eclipsedFast forward.
Ronald Reagan survived hisattempt, but others didn't.
George Wallace shot and leftparalyzed.
And now Kirk?
Agree or disagree with them,they were targeted not as men
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but as a symbol.
Someone decided that a bulletwas better than an answer or
than a ballot, and again thetemptation is the same Erase the
humanity, amplify the ideology.
If you kill them, call themheroes If you didn't shrug or
even celebrate.
But that's not honest.
The honest part is a wife losta husband, a family lost their
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future.
And let's not forget those inthe supposed who.
We would kind of, I guess,consider the center.
John F Kennedy got down inDallas.
Robert F Kennedy in a hotelkitchen in Los Angeles.
Abraham Lincoln, watching aplay in Forest Theater, struck
down in the middle of anordinary night.
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These weren't fringe figures,they weren't the left's radicals
or the right warriors.
They were in many ways thefaces of what is actually
mainstream America.
And still they fell.
Violence doesn't check partylines.
Murder doesn't ask where yousit on the spectrum, it asks
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only who has become a symbol bigenough for me to hate what we
seem to forget at this moment.
Each time the nation haswrestled with grief and division
, and each time people reach forthe easy road idealize or
demonize.
But the harder road is to sitwith the truth that before they
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were public figures, they werehuman beings, and that's what I
don't want us to forget now.
So Charlie Kirk wasn't just aconservative influencer.
He was a person who could laugh, who could love, who could
bleed.
His murder isn't just apolitical movement.
It's a human wound andresponsibility cannot be lost.
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We need responsibility in thismoment.
So how do we respond?
With restraint, with honesty,with humanity.
It means refusing to cheerdeath, even of those who we
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oppose.
It means refusing theweaponizing grief into vengeance
.
It means remembering that if wedon't draw a hard line against
murder, then every ideologyisn't just waiting its turn.
And when I mean it's justwaiting its turn, I'm saying
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that every ideology is waitingits turn to bury its own.
Think about it this waySomewhere right now, a mother is
crying.
Somewhere right now, friendsare replaying old messages.
Somewhere right now, someonewho loved is asking why wasn't I
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there to stop it?
That's the human scale and itshould cut through the noise,
the noise.
So I want us to be reasonablein the moment, to resist the
easy flattening of a man into asymbol, to speak honestly about
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politics, yes, but also rememberhumanity, because if we lose
that, if every person becomesonly a pawn, a meme or martyr,
then the bullets will keepflying and each shot will echo
longer than the last.
Murder is not the end of life.
It's a mirror.
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It shows us who we are by howwe respond, and I pray we
respond as people who still knowhow to see each other as human,
as people who still know how tosee each other as human.
And because a lot of it will bemissed, I want to give us some
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context, this murder of CharlieKirk.
It joins a tragic roll callMedgar Evers, malcolm X, martin
Luther King, fred Hampton, whichwe have to talk about.
The elephant in the room thatlast name, if you haven't
figured it out.
Robert Kennedy, huey Long, alanBerg, harvey Milk, george
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Wallace, wounded but scarred forlife, left right, center.
Nobody spared, and not just inthe distant past, in our own era
.
Gabrielle Griffiths, criticallywounded in 2011.
She lived not what she used tobe six people dead around her.
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Craig Greenberg in Louisville,mayor candidate nearly
assassinated in 2022.
Paul Pelosi beaten nearly todeath in his home in 2022.
Donald Trump surviving twoassassination attempts in 2024.
Melissa Hortman and her husbandmurdered in their Minnesota
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home in 2025.
Charlie Kirk cut down on stageat 31.
The murderers of the left, theright, the center all testify to
one truth Violence is norespecter of ideology.
Each time we let the murdererbecome only symbols, we lose a
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little more of our humanity.
Charlie Kirk's murder isanother mirror.
What do we see when we lookinto it?
Mirror, what do we see when welook into it?
Are people ready to demonize?
Are people still able to stopand say a life was taken and I
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will not celebrate that choiceis actually yours and it will
echo long after the news cyclesmove on.
When I think about Charlie Kirk, I think about him in a long
history of People who userhetoric to get a point across.
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I'm going to be talking aboutthis specific issue In the
context of different fields Fora while.
This part Is me talking to youin this voice.
There will be other issuesSurrounding this that I may have
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to talk to you in a strategicvoice.
There may be some times where Ihave to talk to you as a
counselor, and there will beother times I have to talk to
you in sheer cold, robotic data.
Other times I have to talk toyou as a historian, and other
times I have to talk to you as afriend, and other times I'm
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going to have to pull from thedeep root of our different
theological, religious andspiritual traditions.
What I was saying in thebeginning is the death of
Charlie Kirk has affected megreatly because it has put me in
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a position where I have to dosomething that I did not want to
do, but I have no choice.
I have to step up and I have tofill a void that has been left
by the death of so many.
It's been a very tough year,and you always look around for a
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hero, look around for somebodyto come in and save us.
You see so much darkness andyou just want to have Superman
or Black Adam or Spider-Man comein and fix it.
And what has been tugging at mein a profound way and I have to
answer the call is the countryneeds people who see the dark
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and work hard to spread thelight.
For the, for the.
For the time being, there willbe more posts about more things
all over the place.
We will be discussing multipleissues from very different
angles.
I'll be having very differentvoices on having very important,
serious conversations.
Like I say all the time in myslogan, we have one planet.
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Nobody is leaving.
Let us reason together.
I want people who are upset withCharlie Kirk on the traditions
that he did not stand under.
I want you to think about himin the context of some of the
names that I have named,especially a name like the
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Honorable Malcolm X, who was adifferent religious tradition
than me, who saw problems.
He spoke vigorously, didn'talways use the correct language,
but he used the language thathe knew at the time.
His life was cut short theexact same way, killed at a
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rally, at a speech in front ofhis wife and children.
Charlie Kirk, on the other sideof the aisle, killed at a rally
in front of his wife and hischildren.
History does not repeat, but itoften rhymes.
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So what I'm going to do?
Because there's a lot of voiceswho want to do another thing
and they want to point out allthe awful things that Charlie
Kirk may have said.
I can acknowledge that, but theway I'm going to end this is by
letting some good things speak.
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At least give the man room forbeing a human being Our blacks
from the intellectual past.
Tonight, the person who will getthe last word will be the late
Charlie Kirk.
We have a lot of work to do.
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I'm going to be doing a lot ofwork with you.
Thank you for tuning in.
I have a plethora of questionsthat I'm going to be answering
on another episode.
I'll see you on the nextepisode.
Try your best to not lightgasoline on this fire.
So in this video that you'regoing to play, there's going to
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be a few of these.
A young woman is coming up toCharlie because he's wearing a
hat that says ICE, and so sheresponds to him in a violent
manner and she snatches the hat.
And listen to his response.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
ICE Integration constant enforcement.
Hey, don't talk about that whatare you doing?
Don't, let's have aconversation.
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No, 100%, guys, I'm not goingto press it.
Thank you, see, I'm not goingto.
I would have been pissed if Ihad worn a yellow board.
No, no, I can't believe it.
Hey, put it on mine.
We got to go shortly.
I got a question.
Sure, what was?
Speaker 4 (34:19):
your name again.
I'm sorry, I don't think I toldyou my name is Mark.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Nice to meet you.
Why are you together?
Why are you together?
Okay, I've been asked thatquestion a lot.
First of all, the questionshould not even have to be asked
.
But when people stop talking,really bad stuff starts.
When marriages stop talking,divorce happens.
When church starts happening,they fall apart.
When civilization stops talking, civil war ensues.
When you stop having a humanconnection with someone you
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disagree with, it becomes a loteasier to want to commit
violence against that group,whether it be the great genocide
, the horrible genocides of thelast 100 years.
People stop talking with eachother because they lose their
humanity.
I wish we could be here withouthaving my hat thrown off and
stuff, but what we as a culturehave to get back to is being
able to have a reasonabledisagreement where violence is
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not an option.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Now, I 100% agree with that sentiment.
I 100% agree that young womancame up to him, provoked him to
violence and he did not respondin violence, he did not press
charges, he said what he said.
Here's another one, which issomewhat eerie the topic, but
just listen to this one.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I have 30 seconds left to live.
I'm dying from a gunshot wound,but what would?
Speaker 4 (35:33):
you actually want to tell me if I have 30 seconds
left?
Speaker 3 (35:35):
to live.
Boy, you got 30 seconds.
In 30 seconds, you're about tomeet eternal judgment and
there's only one way that youcan get bailed out of that, and
it's not all the good things youdid or the moral scorecard.
It's whether or not you haveJesus Christ as your Lord and
Savior.
Amen, and that's the only thingthat's going to matter.
And so you've got 10 secondsleft of dying from a gunshot
wound and you ask the questionwho is Jesus Christ?
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And the answer to that singularquestion who is Jesus Christ is
the most important question foreveryone in the audience, not
how much money you have, not howmuch good stuff you do, it is
is jesus christ.
You might say, oh, jesus was,you know, a teller of good tales
, or jesus was a good person, orjesus was a historical figure.
None of that's going to cut.
It's whether or not you repentand you ask christ to come in as
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your lord and savior.
That's the only thing that willsave you from eternal death.
Hello, you brought a sign up,I'm sorry.
Did you bring a sign up?
Speaker 4 (36:27):
yeah, I did so my name is eric, I'm 70 years old.
I've been a born-againevangelical christian for 35
plus years.
Praise god, worship here in thevalley with a bunch of uh.
I was on worship teams in thevalley for quite a few churches,
but the holy spirit brought mehere today to prove you wrong.
Okay, and so what the HolySpirit has led me to do is to
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try to explain to you that Idon't think you're a good godly
man.
Okay, and this is why, becausewhat a godly man does a good
godly man does is stand up forpeople.
He stands, he stands up forpeople, he stands up and even
fights for people.
Okay, and I don't believe youstand up and fight for people.
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Yeah, you use your mouth.
And all these kids You're goodat all these kids.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And I didn't think you were going to.
Are they people?
Do I fight for them?
Do I fight for them?
And how dare you say that,after I just shared the gospel
to nearly?
Speaker 1 (37:39):
2,000 people here at Boise State.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
University, because there's a difference between
someone who just shares thegospel and someone who's a godly
man.
I can explain the difference toyou right now.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Okay, tell the world why I am not a godly man.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Because you only stand for people who are white,
christian and male.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
You've got.
Where's my brother up here?
Where's my man?
Look at him.
You've got to come up here.
Come up here, come up here.
Come up here.
Get over the gate.
Come over the gate.
Look at this guy here.
Look at this.
Yeah, right to the mic.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
So, for context, the person that comes that he calls
up is a black male.
That agrees with what CharlieKirk is saying.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
Stand for me, we're good.
Wait, I only stand up for white.
Is that a white man?
Can you look at him, please?
Look at him.
Is that a white man?
Is that a white man?
You said I only stand up forwhite men.
He's got dreads, Are you, Areyou?
But you just libeled me infront of 2,000 people saying I
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only stand up for white men, andI got a brother in Christ right
here.
How dare you say something likethat?
I'm ready.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
If you quit messing around, I'll prove it to you
right now.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Messing around, bringing up a person of color,
messing around isn't that yourwhole shtick?
Are you ready?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
Okay, are you ready?
So, okay, so, yeah, I'm ready.
So the holy spirit, the holyspirit specifically brought me
here, because this is the idaho,this is the old west, right?
The holy spirit brought me hereto challenge you to a
gentleman's fist fight, righthere in front of this old crowd.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Now look listen, listen, listen, listen.
No, I would hate to hospitalizeyou in front of 2,000 people.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
But see see, the difference is I'm a 70-year-old
man.
I haven't been in a fight inlike 60 years.
However, Does a godly man?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
come up here and yeah , does a godly man challenge
another to a duel?
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Okay, so hold on, I'm serious about this.
Can I speak, all right?
So look, I'm telling you I'mnot up here, just fight for me.
The Lord has come up to me toask for fight for people that
you dis all the time, like women.
The Lord brought you here tospeak to you Women, gay people,
trans people, immigrants, peopleof color, people of different
(40:17):
religions.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
My man.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Immigrants, refugees.
So look you seriously.
I'm serious.
You can have your goons.
They can search me.
I'll sign a waiver.
I'll let you take the firstpunch.
Let's go, Put up or shut up,charlie Kirk, you know what?
Speaker 3 (40:34):
So, first of all, it says very clearly in the Bible
that we shouldn't harm thosethat are worthy of protection,
and you obviously are.
You're just worried I'll kickyour.
I'm Medicare age, but let'splay this out despite the
obvious fact and you and I bothknow who would win this duel
(40:55):
However you are, hold on asecond.
This is a great embodiment ofthe American left.
You can't debate, so you wantto go to blows.
You can't.
The only thing that ispreventing us from this country
from going to civil war isdebate and dialogue, and you
don't even want to have debate.
You want to go and you want towrestle like a seven year old.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Who here is actually dividing the country?
Speaker 3 (41:17):
So it's a man's fistfight.
You know what that is rightAgain, I would like to think
that we are elevated abovetrying to go have a fight in the
streets or a fight in front of2,000 people.
In fact, a mark of civilizationis that we don't have to go to
blows or bullets, that we canhave discourse and debate, but
(41:37):
yet you're inviting that and youknow that out here in the West
that's a bunch of bulls.
Oh really, you don't debate outin the West.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
Real men stand up for what they believe.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
You guys don't dialogue in the West.
Come on man.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
Look, I know how about this.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Why don't you, since you're a 70-year-old aged elder
and you want to have a fistfight with a 31-year-old, why
don't you tell me what a womanis?
Speaker 4 (42:01):
See, I am not here to debate you, I'm here to prove
you wrong.
Prove you wrong.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
Prove him wrong.
So either put up or shut up.
I'll walk away, you tell meright now, acting as if someone
who is very desperate, who isclout chasing, and we won an
election we are going to remainpeaceful while the left promotes
violence.
We are going to peace because,as Christ, our Lord, said,
blessed are the peacemakers, fortheirs is the kingdom of heaven
(42:41):
.
Thank you, sir, and get out ofhere.
I think Lamar Jackson isgetting the backlash, maybe
because you're not allowed toretweet a conservative
personality.
And I just want to say to LamarJackson I said this on my
podcast as well you are morethan welcome in this big
movement that we are building.
We don't have to grant anythingexcept Jesus, lamar.
You could be a Democrat, youcould be on the left, I don't
care.
Jesus is honestly the mostimportant thing.
(43:03):
I think Lamar Jackson isgetting the backlash, maybe
because you're not allowed toretweet a conservative
personality.
And I just want to say to LamarJackson I said this on my
podcast as well you are morethan welcome in this big
movement that we are building.
We don't have to grant anythingexcept Jesus, lamar.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
You could be a Democrat, you could be on the
left, I don't care Jesus ishonestly the most important
thing Now, when you think aboutthe clips that you will hear
over the next few days, did itseem like that somebody wanted,
everybody murdered his heat?
I mean, just from those fewclips, I mean I could keep going
, I could keep going.
(43:39):
Of course, I think what it isis we have to remember what the
goal of propaganda is, rememberwhat the goal of propaganda is,
(44:16):
and the goal of propaganda is tomake us forget that the person
we are talking to is a ourpolitics and we're going to get
into something that's a bitolder.
I explain this in anothersegment, but this, this is what
we need to dig into.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
My prayer is that you will know that you will press
on to know the supremacy ofChrist, the supremacy of His
deity, equal with God, theFather, in all of His attributes
, the radiance of His glory andthe exact image of his nature.
(45:03):
The supremacy of his eternalitythat makes the mind want to
explode with the imponderablethought that Jesus Christ never
had a beginning.
He is simply there.
The absolute reality with whichwe reckon must rise to the
(45:30):
supremacy of his eternality.
While all the universe,including this building in your
body and this earth, and all thegalaxies, are fragile,
contingent, like a shadow incomparison to the substance of
Jesus Christ, we must know thesupremacy of his never-changing
(45:53):
constancy.
Oh to have virtues that neverchange, a character whose
commitment is constant yesterday, today and forever.
Let us know the supremacy ofhis constancy and let us know
the supremacy of his knowledgethat makes the Library of
Congress look like a matchboxand makes all the information on
(46:18):
the internet look like a 1940sarmor's almanac and makes all of
quantum physics and everythingthat Stephen Hawking has ever
dreamed look like a first gradereader.
We must know the supremacy ofthe knowledge of our Lord.
(46:38):
We must know the supremacy ofhis wisdom that has never been
perplexed by any problemwhatsoever, nor can he be
counseled by any person or anybeing in the universe.
We must know the supremacy ofhis authority.
All authority is mine, inheaven and on earth and under
(47:02):
the earth.
No change, all authority,changing times and seasons,
removing kings, setting up kingsdoing according to his will in
the host of heaven and among theinhabitants of the earth.
No one can stay his hand or sayto him what have you done?
We must know the supremacy ofhis providence, without which
(47:25):
not a single bird in theextended reaches of the Amazon
forest has ever fallen off ofany limb and without which not
one hair turns white or black.
We must know the providence ofJesus.
We must know the supremacy ofhis word, which upholds the
(47:47):
universe by the word of hispower All the galaxies,
molecules, atoms and subatomicreality nobody has yet dreamed
of, down there where no one hasyet looked.
We must know the supremacy ofhis power to walk on water and
cleanse lepers and heal the lameand open the eyes of the blind
(48:09):
and open the ears of the deafand cause storms to cease and,
with two words, to raise thedead.
Lazarus, come forth.
Or one word, to raise the deadIn your blood.
I said to you live.
We must know the supremacy ofhis power.
(48:30):
We must know the supremacy ofhis purity.
He never sinned.
He never sinned.
He never had one millisecond ofa bad attitude or a sinful lust
.
We must know the supremacy ofhis trustworthiness.
He never breaks a promise.
He always keeps his wordabsolutely, without fail.
(48:54):
We must know the supremacy ofhis justice.
He will render all accountssettled in the end in the
universe, either on the cross orin hell.
No injustice will remain whenchrist is finished with his
supreme justice.
We must know the supremacy ofhis patience.
(49:16):
He has endured you and me fordecades.
He has endured this city andbrings the sun.
Can you imagine why the sunrose on this city this morning?
This wicked city, this world sofull of us type sinners?
And he makes paradise rise inthe sky in Minneapolis.
(49:36):
What kind of patience are wedealing with here?
What kind of patience are wedealing with here?
We must know the supremacy ofhis servant-like, sovereign
obedience, kept every one of hisfather's commands absolutely
(49:58):
and in the end embraced thecross with total willingness.
We must know the supremacy ofhis meekness and loneliness and
tenderness.
He will not break a bruisedreed or quench a smoldering flax
.
We must know the supremacy ofhis wrath.
One day it will explode on thisworld from heaven, such that
(50:19):
all who have rejected him willcall for rocks to crush their
brain lest they have to face thewrath of the lamb.
We must know this.
When I look at the beheadingsand I hear someone ask where is
your supreme christ?
My answer is really easy he isin heaven storing up almighty
(50:45):
wrath in fury to pour out on allthose who commit such sins.
That's where he is, and youbetter get right with him and
repent, or you will all likewiseperish.
It's not a hard question toanswer biblically perish it's
not a hard question to answerbiblically.
(51:06):
We must know the supremacy ofhis grace, which gives to the
spiritually dead rebels like us.
Life awakens.
Faith in hell-bound haters ofgod, justifies the ungodly with
his own righteousness.
We must know the supremacy ofhis love, which dies for us
while we are yet sinners andgives to the absolutely
(51:28):
undeserving the ability for everincreasing joy in making much
of him.
And we must know the supremacyof his gladness In the
fellowship of the Trinityinfinite power, infinite energy,
infinite joy rising, spillingover in the creation of a
(51:50):
universe and becoming for you,one day, an inheritance for
every struggling saint.
We must know this is what wewere made for Press on to know
the Lord.
We are made to know Christ.
(52:12):
We're not made to do littlediddly things, we're made to
know this massive Christ.
This world is little,two-second slights, and then
with him, or not, forever.
It's what we are created toknow and do and be about.
And when we know him in thoseways, we have begun to know the
(52:35):
outskirts of his supremacy, fortime would fail to speak of his
(52:57):
supreme severity andinvincibility and dignity and
simplicity and complexity andresoluteness and calmness and
depth and courage.
If there is anything admirable,if there is anything worthy of
praise in all the universe, itis summed up in Jesus Christ.
(53:19):
He is always infinitelyadmirable in everything and over
everything, supreme over allgalaxies and endless reaches of
space, over the earth, from thetop of mount everest, 29 000
feet up to the bottom of thePacific Ocean, 36,000 feet down
(53:42):
in the Mariana Trench in thePacific Rim.
He is sovereign and supremeover all plants and animals,
from the peaceful blue whale tothe microscopic killer viruses.
He is supreme over all weatherand all movements of the earth
hurricanes, tornadoes, monsoons,earthquakes, avalanches, floods
(54:05):
, snow, rain, sleet.
He is supreme over all chemicalprocesses that heal or destroy
cancer, aids, malaria, flu andall the amazing race of
antibiotics and a thousandhealing drugs that we do not
deserve.
He is supreme over allcountries and governments and
(54:28):
armies.
He's supreme over Al-Qaeda andthe terrorists and the
kidnappings and the suicidebombings and the beheadings.
He is supreme over bin Ladenand al-Zarqawi.
He is supreme over all nuclearthreats from Iran and Russia and
North Korea.
He is supreme over politics andelections and debates on
(54:49):
Thursday.
He's supreme over media andnews and entertainment and
sports and leisure.
He's supreme over all educationin universities, no matter what
they teach, and he's supremeover all scholarship in science
and research.
He's supreme over all businessand finance and industry and
(55:09):
manufacturing and transportation, and he's supreme over the
Internet and all informationalsystems.
As Abraham Kuyper famously said,there is not one square inch on
planet earth over which therisen Christ does not say my and
I rule it.
I am streamed.
(55:29):
We must know this and though itmay not seem to you, and though
(55:50):
it may not seem to you asthough he holds such supreme
rule now, it is but a matter ofvery short time until he comes
with the glory of his father andall his angels, in flaming fire
(56:10):
, giving relief to those whotrust him and absolutely
destroying to the uttermost, ineverlasting conscious torment,
those who have rejected him,saying where is your God?
Oh, help us Lord.
Oh, help us see and savor thesupremacy of your son.
(56:34):
Give yourself to this.
It's my plea.
Give yourself to this.
Let us us know, let us press onto know the Lord.
Pray that God would show youthese things in his word.
Swim in the Bible every day.
(56:57):
Don't give it a little touch asyou head off to do what you
really like to do.
Swim in the Bible every day.
It is an ocean of bright,glorious, weighty,
all-satisfying truth about theone for whom you were made.
Give yourself to being what Godcreated you to be.
(57:21):
You have a brain, brain, youhave a heart, you have emotions.
He wants all of it and when heshines, blazing at the center,
this little planet is just goingto go where his emotions go.
(57:47):
Question Okay, we're all sinnershere and we don't know him Like
we ought and we don't trust himLike we ought and we don't
treasure him the we ought to.
We don't trust him like weought to.
We don't treasure him the wayhe deserves to be treasured.
So what stands in the way?
(58:09):
What's the main obstacle toknowing Christ's supremacy?
The biblical answer to that isclear the main obstacle to
knowing Christ's supremacy isthe absolutely just and holy
(58:30):
wrath of God.
We can't know God in our sin,because the wrath of God rests
on us in our sin.
What we deserve from God is notknowledge of God but judgment
of God.
And since we're cut off fromthe knowledge of God and the
(58:51):
wrath in the wrath of God, we'recut off from purity, we're cut
off from holiness.
All the planets are out oforder, no matter how secure and
successful you feel.
God doesn't owe us purity, heowes us punishment.
Therefore, we are hopelesslydepraved and condemned, except
(59:15):
for one thing thing christredeemed us from the curse of
the law, having become a cursefor us, as it is written, cursed
(59:37):
as everywhere hangs our tree.
God hates sin and his wrath isinfinite against sin.
And we're all stamped anddefined by sin.
And God demands perfection Beperfect.
(59:58):
Your father in heaven isperfect, you must be perfect.
Your father in heaven isperfect, you must be perfect.
Nothing short of perfectionenters my presence.
So there rests on us, demandswe cannot meet and a curse we
cannot bear.
And Christ says to his fathermay I?
(01:00:22):
Because the father had alreadymade a covenant of redemption
with the son you shall.
And the gospel.
It is the foundation of thisconference, it's your only hope.
The gospel is that Jesus Christcame into the world and bore
(01:00:45):
the wrath of God, the curseGalatians 3.13, one of the most
precious verses in the Bible.
He came and cursed us and heperformed a righteousness for us
, perfect, which we never couldperform, which is now, by faith
(01:01:06):
alone, imputed to you, so thatyou may be united to this
perfect Christ, him bearing allthe curse, him providing all the
perfection, and know paradiseis open.
(01:01:26):
I can know him, I can begin togrow in knowing him, I can
actually begin to enjoy him.
He's not against me anymore.
In fact, the wrath of God hasbeen so totally absorbed by
Jesus and the perfection that Imust produce has been so totally
produced and provided by Jesusthat now only one thing governs
(01:01:52):
God's attitude to me, and thatis mercy.
All that I experience, all mypain and all my pleasures are
mercy, mercy, mercy, everythingworking together for my good,
and therefore paradise is opento me and I can begin to see him
, know him, study him, enjoy him, grow in him and find the
(01:02:15):
satisfaction in my soul that hewas meant to be.
The best gift of the gospel isnot the forgiveness of sins.
The best gift of the gospel isnot the imputed righteousness of
Jesus Christ.
The best gift of the gospel isnot eternal life.
(01:02:36):
The best gift of the gospel isseeing and savoring the
supremacy of Jesus himself.
That's the best gift of thegospel, and we had no access to
that joy until it took our place.
© transcript, emily Beynon.
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