From Track Star to Jiu-Jitsu Champion: Todd Williams' Journey of Discipline, Defense, and Community

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So today I have the pleasure of interviewing Mr Todd
Williams.
So about Todd Williams?
He is the founder of Monroe JiuJitsu, a Michigan native that
made his name through distancerunning.
He was a state champion andall-American at Monroe High
School in 1987, before moving onto even greater things, where

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he actually made two UnitedStates Olympic teams in 1992,
barcelona, and in 1996 inAtlanta.
After retiring fromprofessional distance running in
2002, he immediately startedBrazilian Jiu Jitsu and
self-defense training.
After 6,000 hours and eightyears of hard work, he received
his black belt andcertifications in self-defense

(00:45):
from the legendary Coral BeltLuis Filaris on January 22, 2011
.
At this point, todd createdRunSafercom and began teaching
runners, joggers and walkers howto be safer while out
exercising.
He has conducted over 500safety workshops in 35 states,
as well as instructing studentsin Jacksonville, florida, at the

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Luis Filaris Academy.
He has also had the opportunityto instruct law enforcement as
well as the National Guard.
Todd has trained and learnedfrom some of the best in the
world, including worldchampionships, people like
Marcellio Garcia, bernardoFerrell, wellington Mingenton

(01:30):
Diaz, andre Galval Salo, ribieraZan Ribiera, augusto Tanaku,
helio Sancho Borrez, lucas Lapri, mikey Museneti, josh Hinger,
jt Torres.
Todd wants Monroe Jiu Jitsu tobe the great place to learn a

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great martial arts that canchange people's lives.
Welcome to the show BrazilianJiu Jitsu, 3rd Degree, black
Belt Now, and former OlympianTodd Williams.

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Speaker 1 (03:25):
Todd Williams.
Welcome to the show, professor,todd Williams.
All right, so before I let youget in your Jiu Jitsu thing, I

(03:47):
want everybody to know that youweren't always a Jiu Jitsu guy.
You have been competitive yourentire life, so much you were an
All-American at high school andyou made two Olympic teams.
Could you tell us a little bitabout your high school journey?
What sport you played, toddWilliams?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, so I mean the journey really starts back with
me.
I was a really hyper kid.
My parents would get outside.
They're going to do somethingfrom.
As soon as I was four years old, I was in the swimming pool.
I was doing age group swimmingreally early.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
I started wrestling at the Plessio Club locally here
.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
I remember my last certificate was a 61 pound.
I got third place in the stateat 61 pounds.
So I was always active and myparents.
I had a great family, so it'slike, from that I went to
baseball, basketball, footballand I just always stayed
involved in sports.
And then my football coach inninth grade finally looked at me

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and he's like you know you'redoing well out here in
conditioning and you're doingreally good in football, but he
goes.
I think you should try crosscountry and try track.
And so that spring in ninthgrade I went over to the track
and really with minimal trainingI ran 432 in the mile, also on
a center track.
I'm old and there's center trackwas an old track and that's

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when the track coach goes no,thank you, you're not going to
play football again, you'regoing to run cross country.
And so that's when I met a lotof you know I always talk when I
talk about influencers in yourlife and positive people in my
life.
That was my high school coachin running and coach for it was
a guy that just he saw that Ihad to work ethic and he ran a
college with a couple ofOlympians at Miami, ohio, and so

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when he saw my work ethic in mytown, he's like if you can keep
working hard and stay straight,hang out with the right people,
you got a really good chance togo to college with this, and
you know, that's all.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I had to hear.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
So from that point forward I believed whatever he
said my dad would.
If I didn't listen to my coach,my dad would have, it would
have been good.
So my coach said and again,going to mineral high school
here and now that I'm back home,great experience.
This year I've made you know,winning a couple of state titles
and then and then making allAmerican and then earning a full

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ride to the University ofTennessee, and then I was kind
of off to the races.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
Nice.
Well, I definitely agree, Ithink, what you said about
positive influence.
We had somewhat the sametrajectory.
I am, my dad, granddad, was aboxer and he was the warden of
the prison, so he kind of alwayshad us in some combat sport.
But when I got to school I wasso hyper and I kind of had the

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same experience.
I just happened to bump into ateacher and she was a cross
country teacher, cross countrycoach as well, and she was the
teacher of the year and I stillremember her name to this day.
She just retired.
Her name is Rosalind Hoffmanand this was like my super
teacher she got.
She would got me into runningand I used to run a lot of

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distance, but I was.
I was kind of crazy.
I would get upset and run andthen realize I was in another
city and have to call my parents.
Yeah, and so she was.
But she also, she was verydedicated.
She would buy me books, likelittle fantasy books and stuff,
bought me the entire Lord of theRings and Harry Potter

(07:05):
collections.
So she kept me engagedphysically and then, very like
mentally, made schoolinteresting and fun for me and I
kind of know.
So what about you, taylor, Iforgot to say.
My professor Taylor is with ustoday as well.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Guys, yeah, I my dad was a boxer.
He did all kinds of sports typeon dough, things like that.
About the time my parents gotdivorced my dad started getting
into jujitsu.
He had a knee injury and theywere kind of like you're never
going to be able to box again,you're never going to be able to
do any kind of like sports orphysical activity, and one of

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his friends took him to hisfirst jujitsu class.
My instructor just startedteaching and didn't have a kids
class yet, so as soon as hestarted a kids class my dad was
like he was hooked already.
He's like my kids have to dothis.
So, I swam, did field hockey,done jujitsu my whole life.
But you know, same thing, likemy parents just had to keep me

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in sports because I just was ayou know ball of energy.
So I, that's where I was.
You know, I wasn't really muchgood at field hockey.
My, my, I guess the biggestthing was I was just really
aggressive, like so I could allit gets the ball.
I've never been a super goodrunner but like you know, when
you're behind you have to go getit.
That's like my little spurtsthat I would get.

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But other than that we've hadthe jujitsu since day one and
that's been my like backbone forme.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
See, that's good, Now I got.
Now I got two technicalquestions for Todd, but I'm
going to save them to laterabout short people that are
running.
How tall are you, Todd?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
I'll say five, 10, and more like five, nine, five,
10.
And let's see, when I ran I wasfive.
I was five, 10, 138, right.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Now I'm five, 10, 205 .
All right.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
So I'm going to save my technical my.
My shin splints hurt when I runquestion for later, so okay, so
you got to your college inTennessee.
Where are you from originally?

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Well, it's Southeast Michigan and then Rome, michigan
.
We're right in between Detroit,michigan and Toledo, ohio.
So you know I can make it to atiger game.
You know, 30 minutes away I canmake it to Toledo Mudhins.
If I'm in the baseball, youknow I look at that piss in
certain Detroit and then I canhead down to Ohio as well.
All, right.
So I was going for a while.
So I was.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I graduated 1987 from high school and then I went to
University of Tennessee and Ilived in.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Knoxville from 87 until 2002.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
And then I moved to Jacksonville, florida, from 2002
until 2016.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
And then my kids grew up.
Now I have two daughters, 24and 21.
I love them to death, butthey're older now they're
they're doing their own thing,and Brook and Bailey, Once they
got out of high school.
Then I wanted to move back homeand be around my mom my mom's
older, so I'm back in myhometown now.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
People think I'm nuts .

Speaker 3 (09:59):
The beach is a Florida, but I love my hometown
and my hometown is 18,000 peopleto small town.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm a small town guy, I'm a Midwest guy.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I just love being back home.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Especially at my own school.
It's great doing something goodfor a town that's.
They need good stuff here andI'm glad I can be part of a
healthy movement downtown.
Instead of bars, more bars andbars.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely understand that.
So, one, the world is verysmall because I'm from
Jacksonville, florida, so it'sactually pretty cool that you,
he moved, you live there andyour black belt instructor is
there as well.
So, before I get into that, howdid, how did your college days
go as far as just your, yourrunning journey, and how did you

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end up transitioning fromcollege to you know, your
Olympic team in 1992?

Speaker 3 (10:59):
So you know my dad was really disciplined.
You know he was strict, my dadwas really strict, so I really
didn't do anything.
I mean, I loved running.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And once I got into it, all I wanted to do was run
20,.
You know I ran as a senior inhigh school.
I was running 84 to 90 miles aweek.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
I did everything I could possibly do to be national
champ, to be the best in theUnited States as a high school
runner, to earn my four ride.
Once I got into college, myfreshman year, I got away from
my pops and I started messingaround a little bit and you know
it was a wake up call for mebecause I was all SEC.
I still one of the top runnersin the Southeast Conference you
know, Tennessee has beaten guysfrom University of.

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Florida LSU and I finishedsecond in the conference across
country.
But then, as the year went on,I started to make a few mistakes
and the coach pulled me intohis office.
He goes.
You know, if you want to be andyou want to maximize your gifts
, you better.
You better stop hanging out solate, you better stop making bad
decisions.
And that was another influencerin my life you know, of you know

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, I had my guy in ninth gradethat told me I need to stop
playing football and run track.
I had a great high school coachand day board and then my
college coach was.
You know, he just shot itstraight.
He's like you know, if you wantto go on and make the Olympics,
if you even have a chance, oreven to make all American.
Let's straighten it up.
And so my sophomore, junioryear and senior year, I buckled
down and you know I was running100 mile weeks.

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I was.
Everything was focused on beingthe best NCAA runner and you
know that I could possibly be.
And by my senior year I was MVPof the NCAA.
At the national championships Iled Tennessee to a national
title and then I was.
And then I was fortunate toearn a professional contract to
run with Adidas.
And that and that's when Ireally took off, because my all

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I did.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
all I had to focus on was running.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
So you know, I went to Europe, I lived in London, I
got to compete all over theworld against the best guys in
the world and just do nothingbut train.
And I got to do that for 12years, or almost 12 years
straight, you know, and it was adream come true.
But anytime I give talks tokids, or if I'm camps or any
presentation, it comes down toman hard, hard work, staying

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healthy, living the rightlifestyle, hanging out with the
right people.
It's you know, everybody knowsthat they should do that to be
the best they can be, but a lotof people don't do it.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, that's very true.
You got to.
You got to kind of stay zonedin, focused.
It's a very narrow mind youkind of have to have if you want
to succeed.
And it's difficult becauseeverybody around you are a lot
of people around you are makingvery different decisions and it

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always seems like they're havingso much fun.
Until you look at them 15 yearslater and you know and I had
that wake up call myself it wasactually pretty, pretty sad, but
it was in 2015, when I got outof the military and I was like
all right, I had a relativelysuccessful career.
I had one of my friends call meright when I got back to

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Jacksonville and he just saidhey, man, what can you do to
help me get in the Navy?
And then the words that followwere I'm 29, I have two kids, I
don't have a job and I'mstarting to feel bad about
myself.
And my you know reaction wasshit.
I would have started to feelbad at 22 years old, but, but I

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was, you know, I was happy thathe reached out to me and the
cutoff age for the Navy at thattime was 33.
So I was like.
I was like I'm going to help youget in, they'll help you get
your GED.
I said you've already kind ofjacked up in life.
This is your last shot.
You, you have to.
They're going to scream at youand you're not used to being
talked to that way and fromJacksonville, florida, but maybe

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you should have had somebodyscream at you years ago, and so
he's actually still in right nowhe's.
He's a lifer, he's doing prettygood, but it's just like those
small little people every nowand then that whisper in your
ear.
Maybe you should be doing thisand then this, this brief moment

(15:00):
where you humble yourselfenough to listen, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, and you know, another thing I always think of
is the people in your life too.
Like I'm in a process ofwriting a book.
Especially when the pandemicstarted, I was home.
You know being here by myself.
So you know, like theinfluences in your life and some
of the things you hear, likeman, he's too short to run fast,
so he's he'll never pass hisACT.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
He'll never pass, he'll never get into college,
he'll never get a college degree.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
He'll never make all SEC.
Those are the things that woulddrive me Like when I you know,
when I talk about my successes,the ones the most biggest thing
I remember are my failures, likeso my book is based on 30
failures in my life.
That helped me.
In my mind they were failures,but you know, like not making
all state as a software and Ithought I was going to make all

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state those little things in mybrain that's stuck in there.
Are, you know, people sayingthings they couldn't make it?
Those are the things that driveme Even to this day like there's
no way that you just use schoolto make it a mineral, Really
Okay.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
That's what makes me go.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
It's not the accomplishments, or I'm just
wired any, any anything that's anegative or a failure in my
mind, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to try to reverse it
.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
Nice.
Well, that's that's a nice wayto look at life as a whole.
I try my best to do that in thesame and sometimes I think a
lot of times when people tellyou you can't do something, it's
kind of projection.
What they're saying is I can'tdo it.
And and there's.
He's been dead for a few yearshere, but he was a World War II

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veteran.
He was a history guy namedGorba Dow.
He used to say you know,there's plenty of room at the
bottom and so it's kind of it'skind of that mentality.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Yeah, I mean, I tell my kids class that, or, you know
, even some of my adults likeanybody can be average, anybody
can just go through life and nottry or not.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Like, even when you're talking about competition
and jujitsu.
You don't have to compete ifyou're in my school, but it's,
it's cool to go outside the boxIf it's once a belt level or if
it's twice a belt level, becauseit's something that, even if
you're loose, most people a highpercentage will never get
inside that circle and smackhands, yeah, and in anything
like he just like running orwhen you put yourself out there

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most people don't.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
They never want to put themselves out there, they
don't want to work hard, theydon't want to make the
sacrifices, and that's thereason successful people are
successful and a majority of thepeople are average.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
That's very true.
There's an old saying you loseall the shots, you miss all the
shots you refuse to take.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
So um the same thing in my gym.
Like you know, we don't havepeople in our gym that are like
world champion we don't haveworld champions in our gym right
now but we have people that areinterested in competing and
it's like that, it's all thesame thing.
We have people that are justhobbyists and I go hey, even if
you're not competing, you'restill a part of helping these
people that are competing get towhere they need to be.

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And you know, that's that'skind of just like the thing I
always try to say.
And then you know hey, youdon't have to be a competitor,
but you should definitely try itat least once.
Some people hate competing andthey realize that when they get
out there but most of them getout there like, oh, I'm so much
better at jiu-jitsu than Ithought.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
I'm trying to tell you that, but, yeah, I think
what's cool about having aschool to is seeing people grow,
you know and like what I'll dois like, if so, when you keep,
you think about like the littlepyramid of nerves of competition
.
So when you first walk in thegym, that's the first part.
Right, that's supernerve-wracking, that just to
walk in and sign a waiver.
But then when they their firstsparring match, nobody's really

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watching them.
And then if you have anin-house tournament, just like
you know, this person versusthat person but everybody's
watching, and then you step itup to a duel meet against
another school, but it's onlythe duel meet.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
And then I saw.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
I always look at it like that.
It's like you're going to be,you're nervous, but if you train
hard it's.
It's unexplainable.
Until you get in there andsmack hands.
It's like it's different thanrunning, like running.
Even if I ran the OlympicStadium with 85,000 people
watching me, it was to me.
If I do a duel, meet with meand I smack hands and just that
school's looking at me and thatschool it's just.

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It's a feeling you can'tdescribe.
I love it.
I mean, I love it.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
All right, On that note, I will, I will.
I will allow you guys, thesetwo professors, to talk about
jujitsu.
So you, you did the 92 and 96Olympics.
How did you transition?
How did how did that transitionhappen from being a runner I
know you had some wrestlingexperience to jujitsu?
What was your jujitsuintroduction from?

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Again my goal.
I've been in kind of in my mind.
I thought, okay, I'm going tofinish up, retire from distance
training.
I was 32ish, 33.
And I, honestly, was going totake a full year, because I've
been involved in sports sinceage four.
So I never took a full year andjust I don't know, call it
normal.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I was whatever normal meant to me.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I don't know what that is, I don't know what
normal is, but I'm like I wantto take a year and just I don't
know, eat big Macs, and so thatlasted about a couple of days
because my body was so used toexercise, so used to, and so
that's the reason I thought Iwas going to lift and I thought
I was going to get like Ithought I was going to be a

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bodybuilder so.
I thought I was going to looklike my man.
Oh, pierre Brand and CopelandRight.
Yeah, so that lasted a little.
You know I was, the gym wasacross the street.
I looked over to my right from.
You know where I lived inKnoxville and that's when I saw
the progressive martial artsGracie Bahajie, jitsu and I just
happened to go in there and anafternoon class and in 2002, not

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that many people really didjujitsu, you know so it's like I
walked in there there wasnobody in the afternoon class
except, you know, soneko wassitting at the desk and he said
you want to try a class?
He goes, you have any experience?
And I said I wrestled and I wassome 100 pounds, you know,
years and years ago.
He goes, okay.
So he taught me like a outsidetrip and he saw I think it was a

(21:04):
set amount of escape and youknow, that was kind of the
introduction, like this is whatJiu-Jitsu can do for you and he
goes, you know, on a roll arounda little bit.
You know, one of my first class.
So I said, okay, so he goes,just act like a wrestling in the
backyard.
You know, and it was in brokenEnglish, you know, he just he
goes, just come after me.
So I like I'm trying to get hima headlock because everybody
goes for the headlock, right.

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They want to grab your hand andso he just toyed with me and I
told him after he goes, youthink you'll come back.
And I said, oh yeah, I saidI'll come back tonight.
So I started pretty muchtraining twice a day that first
five years.
I was on it like I was on, youknow.
I was probably twice a day forthe first four or five years for

(21:46):
sure, and then I was off to theraces.
I haven't stopped since.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
That's great.
That's great.
So just that little connection.
And then, after you start doingyour Jiu-Jitsu, how long was it
before you did your Run Saferprogram?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
I started in 2002 with Jiu-Jitsu and then I moved
to Florida and then, you know,with my running background, I
also got a real job, so in 2009,2010,.
I was heading toward my blackbelt and then I got a sales rep
job.
So I took a going from aprofessional runner to a sales

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rep job, meaning I had toservice accounts that I would
sell in Adidas footwear, adidasapparel and Adidas accessories
and I would take my product andI would sell into these running
stores, you know.
So I turned into a sales guy,but at the same time I would
train in every city.
So I was in Jacksonville at thetime, so I would go to Miami.

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I trained at a school.
I'd go to Tampa, rob Conn, allthese different guys in Florida
all the way up to Atlanta with.
I've trained with Cobrina, Itrained with Jacare and I just I
learned so much while I was arunning sales guy, but that's
when I had the idea of Run Safer, because I came back from a
sales call and somebody gotattacked in Atlanta.

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I believe it was Atlanta.
They were attacked on the run,so they were out for a run and
somebody came out on them andassaulted them like, grabbed
them while they're in this trail, pulled them into the woods and
assaulted.
So that's when I was drivinghome and I'm like you know it'd
be, it'd be cool to go insidethe stores and teach basic
escapes and give them an inter,like an introduction to what Jiu

(23:27):
Jitsu could potentially do forthem if they trained
consistently.
So if they were assaulted orapproached on a walk, jog or run
they would have, they'd bebetter equipped to escape and
get out of there and so that.
And so that's when I startedtalking to the store owners.
I'm like what if I put togethera company and and I came in and
came into your store and we dida 60 minute presentation?

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Well, as soon as that ideapopped.
Then I started getting a hold ofthe running companies like
Adidas, nike, asics, salkanyBrooks and they kind of put it
was a bidding war to be attachedto my brand because they wanted
Run.
Safer presented by Asics.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
So, then.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
So when?
So that way, when I went insidethe stores, the customer that
came inside the store and sawthis presentation was like,
who's responsible for this?
Asics says, well, the nextthing, you know, asics and that
store, the market share startedto go up because we're we're
giving them a free safetypresentation and then we're on
the news, we're on print.
We started doing, you know,going to the community and doing

(24:25):
things on behalf of the storeinside schools and middle school
.
So it became it.
Just, it snowballed.
You know the idea of me running60,000 miles into Olympic teams
and then earning my black beltafter so many hours of training,
and I combined those two lovesof mine into that company.
It was a dream job, you know.
So I launched that it wouldhave been November of 2012.

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And then it was.
It was on.
It was Run Safer, presented byAsics up until last year.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
All right, great, great great.
I'm going to circle back now.
That was just something that Ithought about as a curiosity
thing.
So when you, when you startedyour jujitsu journey and were
you, were you a jujitsucompetitor or were you just a
somebody who trained?

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I can, you know, I can pretty much at every belt
level.
I definitely, like I justcompeted a few weeks ago.
I wouldn't say I'm ahypercompet, you know, like I
don't need to compete everymonth.
I don't need to, but I like.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I like getting in there.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
You know I like to compete.
I'm not I'm definitely likesmacking hands, I don't like
losing by advantage and all that, but I would say I'm more kind
of competitive side byunderstand if you don't want to
compete.
I mean I never tell my studentsanything like.
You know I did it, you know Icompete, you know you have to
because for a lot of people justwalking in the gym and sparring

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with other people, that's their, that's their competition,
which I definitely side towardmore getting after it and going
against going to competitions.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
All right, so you don't like to win.
Win by advantages or lose byadvantages, which leads me to my
personal story about how boredto death I was at the Pan Amps
and chest.
That just happened.
I went to watch my instructordominate and look so great which
she did and I was kind ofshocked at these like high level

(26:21):
people that I buyinstructionals from, and it was
hard for me to stay awake.
I spent a lot of time justgoing back to my hotel.
So it's just like what, how thehell do you weed that out?
You know?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
I mean to me, to me, like the EBI, some of the rules
sets that are out there fromother organizations.
You know like if you, if it'szero, zero at the end, then you
there's got.
You know like the take my backhow many seconds you know if I
submit you or whatever it is, Ithink there needs to be a
definite winner or lose, because, the way I look at it, if it's
a zero, zero match for me and Iwon by an advantage, I write

(26:57):
that up for me.
Even I'll write it up as a loss.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I don't really just do submission only and do I like
some onlys.
And then I know it's hard to doa time restraints.
But let's say you give eachother, if a tournament's five
minutes or six minutes, ifthere's no submission at the end
of the six okay, out next.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, I definitely agree, I think, because I wish,
in a sense, like we were at thetournament and I was like man.
It's really annoying that thisis all single elimination and
instead of, like when you havewrestle backs, like it's almost
like the third place metal kindof some of it.
It doesn't mean anything,especially if you're in a really
large bracket, but, like for me, I had seven people in my

(27:43):
racket.
If I won my first match, Iwould have already made it onto
the podium and to me it's likeoh, I won one match and now I'm.
Now I have a medal, now thepanning's metal right, which you
know granted.
If I had the metal around myneck I wouldn't feel any kind of
way.
But I really think that theyshould fight for third and I
really wish there was adifferent way that they went
about referee's decisions interms of like, maybe some kind

(28:06):
of overtime.
You know it's zero, zero andit's crunch time.
When you have an overtime, likegoers, the first to score or
whoever scores the most pointsin one minute, you know that's
the winner.
I think we're a little bit ofways away from that.
And you know, when you do getinto these kind of competitions,
where there, where there isadvantages, you know there's
strategy in doing that, like, oh, you know, I can't open all the

(28:29):
way up and get this solidtriangle, but I can shoot up a
little half-ass one and Right,you know, that's you know, like
my last competition was, it wasref's decision and we, after one
minute of head-to-head, youknow Wrestling, you know the guy
, the ref, stop to see.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
You know, I gave us like a stalling, so I'm okay.
So I'm like, well, this guy waspretty solid on his feet.
So I'm like okay, I got a pollto get the action start.
So then I pull and to me, youknow, I went in the single X, I
was axed, I was deli he, but ifyou was solid, I just I couldn't
get him right.
I couldn't.
I like I was, I was trying todo everything I could.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Well, right at the end.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
He stepped over.
Didn't pass, but he steppedover.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
You know, my day like the deli.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
He was, you know, on the opposite side hook and next
thing, you know, match ends anddue to his step over and I had
to turn to recover, that was,that was his reason I got lost
Because I had to recover eventhough he never passed, just
driving bad.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
You know I can throw.
I I went through the match athousand times in here I am.
You know what's this matchreally matter to them in Georgia
?
But for me it matters, like Idid ABCD, you know, and if I
would have wanted to play thesafe game, I could have just
states.
You know, I could have pulledclothes and the tax extra.
You know, just pull them down.
You know, just attack over hereinstead of opening up but but.

(29:52):
But then you got to look atTimer strings.
The IBGF is rolling pretty goodand you know they got the
trains going down the tracks andthey probably like, hey, we're,
we're doing pretty good with norule changes and yeah, packed I
mean masters is 98% Capacityright now it's.
You know they're gonna get it ahundred percent.
I mean.

(30:12):
So most of our events are areloaded up.
But here but, taylor, for you Ihave a question, like for your
older students.
So let's say you have a A 70year old student and they go to
pans and they have zero peoplein their bracket.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
That's so I need to be faced with that right now.
Like, for example, I need toget like 36 points in order to
be eligible to fight at theworld championships, right?
And so I see people do this alot where you know.
I looked up the next coupleopens that are coming up and,
like, in some of them I have onegirl in the division, in some
of them there's nobody signed upin my weight class and I see

(30:52):
people do this work.
Oh, I'll sign up, paid to go tothis tournament, I'll get my
Gold medal for showing up andthen I have enough points.
But for me I'm like man if I Atleast there's one person in my
division win or lose.
Like I got a match, you knowwhat I mean and I'm getting that
experience.
But like I can't.
I can't justify paying to go tothe Nashville open and be the

(31:15):
only black belt competitor,female, and I win absolute in my
weight and just to get enoughpoints to do the world's like.
If I don't make it, I don'tmake it, you know.
And at the end of the day, Isee that too.
Like, if there's nobody in yourdivision.
I did see that happen.
Yeah, woman signed up and shegot her gold medal, which is
like you know you showed up morepower to you, especially if

(31:37):
you're in that age bracket.
But you know, I Don't want tosay like true competitors, but
people that want to fight andare going to turn it to fight.
You know that's.
That's why we go is to getmatches.
It's happened over the years as,like the, as I've gone up in
belt, like blue belt and purplebelt, there was always girls for

(31:58):
me to fight as I started to getbetter.
Like I wouldn't have anycompetition in my local
tournaments because I'd be theonly brown belt or I'd be the
only purple belt and so I'd haveto travel and go to these
different places.
And now black belt's a littlebit deeper because there's like
an end.
You know what I mean.
There's more competition, buteven still, like One of the
black belt finals matches wasjust one match In the

(32:22):
roosterweight division.
It was just the two girls andit's like man.
It's like it's like a superfight.
Which man?
If you're a Pan Am's goldmedalist, I will never take that
away from you.
But like there's other people,like I don't want to compare men
and women because there'sobviously more men and jiu-jitsu
, but like there were blackbelts that had to fight five,
six matches to make it to thefinals, and right, you know that

(32:42):
that's.
That's kind of unheard of ifyou're in, like wrestling or
something like that.
Which is obviously like a deepersport.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
But you know it's.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Everybody will look at it with their own eyes.
I think it's like I don't wantto just go sign up to a
tournament where I won't have afight, just so I can Get a gold
medal like that.
For example, I went to atournament and there was only me
and another girl in my divisionand I ended up losing and I got
a silver medal and I just chuckit to the side Because I just I

(33:12):
didn't have to.
I could have gone out there andlaid on the ground and still
got that metal.
So that's just the way I lookat it.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know what I?

Speaker 4 (33:20):
mean, I always want to get the matches, you know?

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Yeah, that's right, that's yeah.
And yeah but, and then I lookat my like and I was mentioning
this because I do have a coupleolder students and if they do
decide to compete in Masters 7or 8, they're Don't think you
ever get a fight.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Is a hot, I mean.

Speaker 4 (33:43):
My dad is 61 or he's gonna be 61, and so it's like
the last time he competed was in2016 and he went to this
tournament and the only two guysthat were there were guys from
our team.
You know, they were affiliatesfrom a different state.
So, granted, I train with themevery day, but like he's like
dude, I don't, you know my dad'sa, but it started, she gets you

(34:03):
and he's 40.
So, like, from the jump he was,there wasn't 40 year old guys
that were blue belts, like theywere all black belts and brown
belts.
So he started off having tofight in the adult division and
not everybody can do that right.
Like not everybody has the gasteam for that.
Not everybody wants you asix-minute match with the 25
year old.
Like no, but it's.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
No, mom.
Well, you know, you, youactually know, I kind of I kind
of carry two sets of books.
So when I, when I first cameback, what did I leave?
For like three years, I think.
I left you, jitsu, for likethree years and I actually took

(34:45):
the, the burger challenge andsaid I was gonna have several
years, right, eight burgers, andthat six months turned into, I
think, when I left, I want tosay my instructor was 16 or so,
we're you know, and I came backand I was like you are an adult
now and I left at 155.

(35:08):
I came back at 225.
So.
So my thing was I jumped rightin it because I I my knowledge
of Jiu, jitsu and the system andthe masters, blah, blah, blah.
I did not know.
So I just signed up forgrappling industries and I
didn't know like, oh my god, nowI'm the old dude, you know I'm

(35:31):
35, and so I would just kind oflook.
I'd never looked at any of myopponents and I'd be like, damn,
I make sauce it.
Why are they still have so muchenergy?
And the part of me was likeWell, it's cuz you're fat now
and that's just that.
And then the other part, I waslike.
This dude is 20 years old, thiswas 22, and so all the
tournaments I was going to whichI like the way grappling

(35:54):
industries did it because it wasaround Robin, so I was getting
more matches with I won a lossand it was just like I was be.
I was actually Getting what Ishowed up for which, because
I've always done law enforcementor private security, my thing
is I want to make sure the stuffthat I still have in my head
works.
I'm somebody pushing into meand so I was actually surprised

(36:18):
I still placed in all thosetournaments.
A Lot of them I straight outwon.
But I felt the difference in myage to where I Didn't feel it
before, when I was used to slaphands and go.
I used to feel like I can goall day and I was like I'd be in
the corner and I hear the guyscoach Ellen, he's tired and I
feel like, but who's he talkingabout?

(36:39):
Oh, yeah, maybe.
Yeah, I'm exhausted.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I think that's the beautiful thing, too, about you
too, too like in the gym whenyou train.
Like I love my young, like at52, I like using my technique,
changing my game.
Up here comes a rustler.
Every class and you know.
Back to the competition.
I don't have bad mouth anyorganization right.
It's like I did.
You have that's third thinggrappling industries that's
third thing anybody that choosesto compete.
I hope they get a match and Ihope they get to compete and get

(37:06):
in the circle.
But just sometimes the you'rean area when there's just not
that much competition Around theroad.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That you get in a circle and you do get a bigger
bracket.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
So I guess I don't want to bring it up to you know
that, this, that and the other,because I think if you do to
choose to compete, I hope you doget a match, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
That's what I meant when I said I carry two sets of
books, because I was like thereare people who will gain the
system.
So they, they look at thebrackets and see who's showing
up, and then that's how theydecide if they're gonna show up.
But then there's other peoplewho are, you know, novice or
hobbyists.
They just sign up.
They have no idea when theyshow up, nobody's gonna be there

(37:45):
, you know, and so I always givethem 100% respect, because I'm
like you can't help it if nobodyshows up.
You know you are, you're themodern-day gladiator that showed
up with your sword and yourshield to fight.
You can't help it if everybodyelse around you popped out, you
know.
What do you think about this?

Speaker 3 (38:02):
like this happened.
I won't name the, but ithappened at a tournament.
So let's say you show up, I'm252, and then I pay my money,
and then they're like okay,we're gonna put you with it to
70.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
That happens.
That happens a lot here inVirginia and I just maybe it's
because locally that's the onlyJiu Jitsu I've seen.
I've always thought it was thenorm, but from my, from my Age
bracket, now I can see how it'sunfair, because I've.
I traveled to Maryland a fewmonths ago to fight in one of

(38:42):
the Naga's, and I'll be the oneto call everybody else I don't
care, but I fought in the Nagaand I was like, okay, you know,
I'm gonna get in this division,I want to win a belt, and blah,
blah, blah.
So I go with this one guy.
He's really good and I'm, youknow I end up having to do a lot
of arm throws and lateral dropsto beat him.
So I'm happy, I win my division.

(39:04):
So after the fact he comes up tome, we're talking you know it's
very down to earth and the guytells me he's 65 years old and
then immediately I'm like, well,what the fuck?
You know, now I feel bad forthis guy.
I was like this is totally notfair.
You know, you're fighting.
I just looked at him because hewas in such good shape.
I wouldn't thought he was, youknow, 65 and I was just like.

(39:26):
I was like it's not fair.
They put you against somebodywho you were 30 years older than
yeah, and you know, I felt likea total, like tool.
But then, like, the other partof me was like, well, you know
what if he gets attacked on thestreets from somebody who's but?
But I did, I didn't like thatfeeling at all, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
And that's, you know, kind of segue from competition
and other reasons people dojiu-jitsu the self-defense
aspect of it like when I hearpeople they go to schools and
they don't spar them like thatyou're, you that I don't know
you have.
You have to do situationaltraining.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yes, you have.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
You have to feel jiu-jitsu with a resisting
opponent.
You have to feel a jiu-jitsuwith an aggressive person on top
of you trying to even if it'slike a headlock, as hard as they
can.
You know it's all of my, mystudents in situations.
So yeah, you know thiscompetition side is great and
you know it definitely ups yourgame when you compete.
But then you know even thesituational training and bear

(40:30):
hugs and headlocks and Breakingand somebody grabs your wrist or
your back, your shoulder.
Those are Huge aspects.
Yes, you sometimes the sportsschools, for you know, I've been
to a lot of schools too when Iwas traveling, and there's no
such thing as because Sometimesthe newer generation you know
you listen to some of theseyoung kids on their YouTube

(40:51):
channels or whatever like aboutthe self-defense, you know it's
if you do jiu-jitsu you're goodto go anyway you know, that's
another thing too is likecompetitive jiu-jitsu, whereas,
like I'll see in the higherweight classes, and then a lot
of male divisions and thingslike that You'll see, and then

(41:11):
also a no-gi right, you'll see alot more Wrestling, judo people
going for takedowns.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
You know what I mean, like.
And then.
But then there's like the otherside where we just always pull
guard, like in my division,pretty much every girl pulls
guard.
So I have to be savvy in thatarea.
I have to not pull guard, haveto pass, but in a but yeah, in a
self-defense situation, I willnever, ever pull guard if
someone's going to attack me.

Speaker 2 (41:39):

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Like that's my last.
That's like how I'm going todefend myself if someone puts me
on the ground.
Like, I will never do that.
So and then, especially as likeI'm five foot three, 130 pounds
, like I'm teaching grown menjujitsu and I want more girls to
come to my gym and I don't wantthem to think that I'm not into
the self defense aspect of it,like I am completely, because

(42:03):
you know one thing that my dadand my brother have always said
is just like, just becauseyou're good at jujitsu does not
mean like.
Like what if someone punchesyou in the face?
Yeah, yeah yeah.
So I really really try to,whenever I can still, instill
like the, for example, we'll beteaching certain positions and
I'm not an MMA coach by anymeans but you know and throwing

(42:25):
into things like, hey, if youare in this position, this is a
great position.
To like, this is how you'regoing to defend yourself with
your guard, or like, if you areon top, this is how you cause a
lot of damage here.
Just so people get thatunderstanding.
And you know, maybe noteveryone's doing jujitsu for
self defense, but for mepersonally as a woman, I've got

(42:46):
a weird like mindset about it, Ithink, because I've always done
jujitsu so I've always feltkind of safe.
But as I've gotten older, youknow it's not hard to just bear
on me and pick me up and take meaway if someone really wanted
to so.
I have become a little bit moreaware of that, and since I've
got my black belt too, I've beenmore like hey, I need to become

(43:08):
a well rounded martial artist,not only for my gym, but also
for myself.
Like I don't want to be feelinglike if someone punched me in
the face I wouldn't be able todefend myself or I'd get knocked
out cold Right.
I'd still be able to punchsomebody if I needed to, or keep
somebody to keep them away fromme.
So that's really important tome, especially like when I start

(43:29):
to try and bring more women in.
Like the first way I'm going toget them hooked is letting them
know that they're going tolearn how to defend themselves,
and the second way I'm going toget them hooked is like jujitsu
is awesome.
So yeah.
I'll talk about like what wouldyou do?

Speaker 3 (43:43):
You know.
So when I work in lawenforcement, let's say, and we
have a local park, months inpark or wherever every county's
got their own park what wouldyou do in this scenario?
Like going outside my schoolthere's an alley right by my
school.
So when you can put the studentin that mindset, like you know,
because if you just come in andyou see Gees and you see the
blue mat and you do a scissorsweep or hip bump sweep, that's
one thing.

(44:03):
But you, but if you say, ifyou're out at months in park and
you turn around the trail andyou're knocked to the ground and
somebody's in between your legs.
What would you do, you know, ifyou get out of your car, out
here in the alley, and somebodygrabs you by the wrist, what
would you do, you know?
And that's when, like the breakfalling.
And then, if you do like, canyou?
Can you use your feet tocontinue to create space and
time?
I always say how much time canyou put on your safety clock for

(44:25):
somebody to come help you?
Because every single secondcounts.
I don't know if that manyschools talk about scenario
based training with her.
Yeah, get knocked out from thisposition, like a good half
guard with an underhook right.
Most people don't think a waythat Damien Maya thinks right.
Damien Maya's jujitsu is tight,like he's tight or he's space,
but a lot of times you'll see ahalf guard with an underhook,

(44:47):
with a jaw exposed.
That, to me, is not a good.
That's not a good.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, yeah, and, and you know, I totally agree.
And I think, look, I don't knowthese people.
But so I have this thingsometimes where I think, worst
case scenario, best casescenario, worst case scenario.
They have learned how to dothings a certain way and they
teach it a certain way and theydon't like an outsider coming in

(45:14):
and saying that's impractical.
But I have done law enforcementsince I was 19 years old, so I
already come in with thatblinder on, even when I'm
learning a technique that Iwould 100% like my brain's
already filtering out.
This is for competition, this isfor the day I take somebody

(45:34):
down, and a lot of the times I'mI'm five, seven, I would my
whole real federal protectiveservices career and military
police officer career.
I was like 130, 140 pounds.
Normally I was the oneinitiating the takedown because
I knew I'm the shortest person.
I don't really have time towrestle with these people, so I

(45:57):
focused on what we used to callin blind law enforcement ask,
tell, make, sir, would you stepout of the vehicle?
Sir, get out of the vehicle andthe next thing, you know, I'm
snatching you through the window.
And it was funny because I wasso small.
They'd be like oh, my God,daryl, so aggressive I'm like no
, no, no, I don't have time toplay around with these people.
Once I get them in cuffs, I candeescalate very quickly because

(46:20):
you're you know, everything'sdone.
So there's a lot of techniquesthat, when I look at Jujitsu, I
think you are teaching peoplehow to compete, not how to
survive in an actual altercation.
And I even saw it when I wouldlook at some combat training
things we would do out here atCamp Allen, or they would be do

(46:41):
Jujitsu, but they give you ablue knife and the guy would
just be sitting there like stab,stab, stab, stab, and I was
like I have to figure out someothers.
I have to make this thing work.
You know to to to fight, likeliterally my life depends on it.
So it's actually because Iapproach it from that aspect,

(47:01):
when I do do competitions I'mnever nervous because I know I'm
having fun.
I already, I already know like,yeah, in your game you don't
have a knife or a billy club orpepper spray.
And then, to the day I'm goingto walk home, even if I go home
with a broken finger, all right,I'm going home today, but you
know, and so it's, I literallyam doing, doing that to teach

(47:24):
myself this is what your bodydoes in this position.
Now You've gotten older and youcan't just blast, double
everybody and just shin dive atthe whole world and you know.
And so it's like, well, that'skind of why I started playing
bottom half when I had mygrowing injury.
I was like, yeah, I used to beable to just pick everybody up
and throw everyone and do allthis stuff and I was like I have
to be able to learn somethingelse which for for handcuffing

(47:48):
it's normally wrist.
I'm always, even though there'sa lot of material to grab, I'm
always looking for the wrist andI'm like I'm getting your wrist
, I'm getting your fingers toput you in handcuffs and every a
lot of the other parts of thebody I really do ignore.
You know, like leg locks arecool.
Well, I can't do that on theforce.
It's just that I'm not allowedand I'm not going to jump on the

(48:09):
ground with my gun belt and tryto leg lock somebody and
somehow figure out how to get upto your body to get you in
handcuffs.
It's just not going to happenthat way.
And so, luckily for at least me,I think I was just blessed that
my instructor, my maininstructor, uh, was an ex-marine
who kind of thought that wayand like a former boxer.

(48:31):
So he would, we would have hisjiu-jitsu classes, but he'd also
have a guy that would come inand he'd have fake guns and
knives and we'd be spreading ateach other.
And it was literally I may pissmy pants, but I want to learn
this here.
So when I'm out on the streets,I know exactly how it react and
then I train to that.

(48:52):
You know, to get better, andyou know, maybe I panic and then
I know all the moves.
But a panic on the street cancost me my life, you know.
And so I think that that'swhere jiu-jitsu, especially
where it started.
I kind of agree with some ofthe early founders who didn't
care about the sport aspect ofit.

(49:12):
They saw it as this is supposedto be a defense thing, where a
smaller person learns how todefend themselves against a
bigger bully.

Speaker 4 (49:22):
And so it's like I find myself going back to that,
like, yeah, I love to compete,but I'm like I'm doing it for a
defense tactic, you know, likeyeah, that's another really
important thing too, I think,like one thing I wanted to touch
on, when you're talking aboutleg locks, like in jiu-jitsu,
leg locks have they've alwaysbeen around, but they've
definitely become morepronounced over the past few

(49:43):
years.
And then people believe intheir jiu-jitsu so much that
when you see them applied in MMA, you see a lot of failed
attempts at them because someonecan punch you in the face.
Now you have two hands on a leg, you have zero hands to defend
your face, right.
And then, on the other aspect,what you just said, like
jiu-jitsu is designed to be fora smaller person to be able to

(50:05):
defend themselves against abigger attacker right.
But that stops when you are asmaller person being attacked by
someone that knows anythingabout grappling.
Like I felt, like I always kindof had that.
I mean like oh yeah, someoneattacked me, I'd be okay, I know
so much jiu-jitsu.
But like what if a blue belt,some big blue belt, came to

(50:27):
kidnap me or something?
Like I'm not gonna in a life ordeath situation, I'm not gonna
win, that you know.
So I think that that's justreally important for people to
grasp, especially people thatare really great at jiu-jitsu,
like you know, or just even whenyou were talking about your
blue belt guys, and a wrestlercomes in and you know they're

(50:47):
getting taken down over and overand over and the guy's just
pinning them Like in a reallysolid pinning position.
You can't get off any of yourmoves.
Yeah, you can ask a Tommy too.
That's so.
So there's obviously a lot ofnuances in there but, you know,
jiu-jitsu is so amazing it's notthe end-all-be-all, and there's
a lot of important core valuesof jiu-jitsu, like defending
yourself and being able toprotect yourself, that sometimes

(51:09):
get lost in translation,depending on where you train or
who your instructor is, or evenlike what your goals are in
jiu-jitsu.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
So, as two professors , how did you guys weed that out
?
Or kind of add both, then itfor your competitors versus your
practical.
I want to teach you how todefend yourself in this crazy
ass world, you know.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Well, I mean, we do competition classes, you know.
So we'll have some competitionclasses we'll have.
I'll split the mat.
You know, sometimes if we'regetting ready for a tournament,
you know one of our tournamentsI'll split, you know.
I'll say self-defense left,self-defense, jiu-jitsu left,
and then competition right.
So I'll split them up once in awhile.
But I'm more old school, I'dsay self-defense based.
You know everything.
Again what Taylor was saying,most of the positions that I'll

(51:52):
put, like today, we taught.
I taught, you know, from thetop position, kimura top.
So let's say I pass the guard,then I get side pin from side
pin.
They try to win the underhook.
So I pin the wrist right, whatyou talked about, the wrist.
You sweep to north-south to getto Kimura track from there.
You guys, yeah, scissor next,on both sides, which is old
school, right, you can fall left, take the neck, fall right,

(52:13):
take the neck.
But I'm always saying, you know, I'll remind them of this
scenario that you know, if thishappens out there, can this work
, you know, or can it work, youknow, and a majority of the time
when I'm teaching, it's goingto help you in a street
situation, you know.
But if we're focusing on apoint tournament.
Then we'll do like a circle upand I'll say let's cover these

(52:33):
rules, because this rule setsdifferent.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Let's cover the scoring, because this is
different and they got to dothat as a coach because I've
screwed up a couple times as acoach I didn't read all the
rules.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
I didn't know.
Like in the kids program youcan't do a standing guillotine.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
That is so annoying I I think kids get disqualified
for that and I was like, and hewas crying, like I felt horrible
as a coach because the refraised my kids hand up so he
didn't know what was going on.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
It's good to kids too .
It's self defense so you know,and back to the self defense,
like with my kids program tackledefense, punch defense, hug
defense, mound escapes, headlockescapes, grip breaking somebody
trick, we do.
We do, I hate to say it, we do,like a kidnapping game where
I'll try to grab him man.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I love it.
I love it, we do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
You're chasing on the kids here I am like you know,
I'm trying to grab him and butthat's you know, but like a
determinant, so like.
That's why I asked him like theref said that he won and then
some of the coach saw that andyou can't do a zingual choke
snuffing across the tray, youknow sometimes you know, go to
the tray.
But I mean, is it competitiveside to answer your question you

(53:40):
as a coach and a school owner,you gotta, you have to have that
, you gotta split it you know,to talk about rules and points
and then over here which I thinkthe focus should be is keeping
you safe if you ever end it upin a really bad situation out on
the street you know.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
And again to your point, taylor, I'm not going to
say that.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I'm not going to say that.
I'm not going to say that.
I would say you, though, as ablack belt, with your years of
training, you know you talkabout the big blue belt I still
give you way more time in yoursafety class 100%.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Like I would like that's the mindset too, like the
mindset if somebody grabbed mydaughters.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
You know the 24, 21,.
They don't.
I would say we're black belts,but they're not, you know.
But they, they trained me alittle bit but I think the tools
that I gave them, you know thesituational awareness being loud
if somebody puts eye contactnot being on.
You know talking about safety.
Not enough people have thosetalks at their kitchen table
yeah, yeah family, because theythink it's never going to happen

(54:35):
to them.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
But it does happen, it happens everywhere.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
So I don't.
It's like it's a topic of no,no, that's too serious to talk
about with my kid.
Well, in my kids class I talkabout kidnapping, I talk about
people being pushed, you knowthe bully stuff and those are
the.
That's the dialogue that shouldbe happening in a responsible
way at a jujitsu school, becauseI think us, as school owners
and as upper belts, that's ourresponsibility, because it is
such a great art, but you can'tjust, you can't just say it's

(55:02):
all about winning the medal.
It's way more than just pointsto hand, that's the.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
That's the whole point of martial arts.
So, like you'll get, you know,I get a lot of times kids that
come from karate or Taekwondobackgrounds and it's like that
has always been sold as aself-defense method which, like,
obviously there are things inthere that are self-defense, but
you know what happens when alittle kid that wrestles takes

(55:29):
you down on the ground and yourkarate doesn't work there you
know, so just always, and I dothe same thing Like some of the
parents were laughing at me whenI was doing you know we did
like I try to use one where weget like a big group of new kids
in, like we'll do a specificday no-transcript, in a way that
it translates to Chuchu too aswell.
But also like I bring up thescary stuff because God how you

(55:54):
never think is going to happento you.
And like me as a coach, if I'mnot showing that to my kids, how
would I feel, knowing what Iknow, if I don't regurgitate
this to my students, especiallythe kids?
And I do the same thing?
That's what my dad alwaystaught me.
Like we pick each other up andit's like all right, you got to
get out.
Like what are you going to dohere?

Speaker 2 (56:14):
And the little kids are laughing and it's funny.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
And I'm like I do have a serious talk.
I'm like, hey, this is why wedo this, Because you know, do
your mom and dad ever talk aboutstrangers?
Like, don't go hang out withstrangers.
I was like sometimes strangerswill come up to you and they
seem really nice, blah, blah,blah getting into that.
And then obviously it's a kidsclass, so I have to have a level
of fun in there, you know whatI mean You're not coming here to
get scared straight.

(56:39):
You know what I'm preface withlike this is serious and this is
why we do this, so that way badthings don't happen to us.
Or something that does happen toyou.
You know you're leaving therewith the least amount of damage
possible or, like you said, thesafety clock.
You know you've been able tohold off someone like kidnapping
you, until someone can hear youand come get you and you know.

(57:00):
Yeah, that's something reallyimportant to me, especially as a
woman.
I don't want I get that likemom vibe with my kids and then
also for me.
I want everyone around me to besafe and okay to walk across
the street at night Like I don'tknow where you are.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm seeing.
I think to your point is likewhen I hear these presentations
on the road for the Run Safer.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
I like to you know.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
I research articles in that specific area or bring
up examples around the countryand one that I always bring up
as a situation in Seattle wherea jogger was out for her.
She was training for a marathonand she went into a restroom at
like the four or five mile markof this trail that she's
running.
Well, somebody targeted her,knowing they had seen her there
before.
They waited for her in thebathroom and started to attack
her.
Well, she finds she had someself-defense training.

(57:47):
She fought, she fought.
It was like an over three orfour minute fight that she had
to fight this guy.
Well, you know, and she, shejust kept fighting, she kept
fighting.
When I talk about the mindsetwith training, no one, I can get
another second.
I know I can fight for anothersecond, and that comes with
showing up and training.
If you don't train her, youthink it's never gonna happen to
you.

(58:08):
And again, I always tell myaudiences I don't want to scare
you, I don't want to get youparanoid that every time you go
out for a walk there's a creepyperson that's gonna grab you.
The chances are very slim, butdon't you want to be prepared,
just in case?

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
And to me.
I love all more flarts, but Ilove Jiu Jitsu and I think Jiu
Jitsu for the overall, if it's agreat school that's teaching
you what you should be taught,Jiu Jitsu to me is the best.
I like Western boxing, I lovewrestling, but for Jiu Jitsu, I
think Jiu Jitsu is the one thatI would pick first.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Choke you out and leave you on the street.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
I've got white belts that can do that you know what I
mean I've got white belts thatcan't be pulled away, even if
it's a re-grip to an arm drag soyou can run like an arm drag.
Somebody grabs me by theshoulder inside arm drag I run.
You know those are hugetechniques where you're never
even engaging.
You're getting rid of theengagement so you can get out of
there.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
All right.
So I am gonna kind of play thislittle game.
No, no, no, no, no, becausehere's the thing.
I do this as well.
I was raised by a majority ofall women.
I was raised by my granddad.
My dad unfortunately died threeor four months before I was

(59:25):
born.
So because my whole family camefrom a law enforcement
background, my granddad was thewarden of the prison, so I
really couldn't get a lot oftrouble growing up.
So I've always looked at thewomen in my family like and it
sucks to say this like potentialvictims, because I've never

(59:46):
trusted people around them.
You know I've never trusted.
You know I've always.
Just because I was always intolaw enforcement.
I always just saw bad, bad, badall day long.
So I've really had this senseto where you have to learn some
way to protect yourself.
But I also realized over timethat most people who attack

(01:00:07):
people are cowards and when theyrealize you're gonna fight back
they will flee, you know.
So having some tools in yourtoolbox is better than having no
tools at all.
So it was like I started offwith Taekwondo and you know
that's how I got into martialarts.
We had a Taekwondo instructorat the YMCA.

(01:00:28):
My granddad was a boxer, so hewould teach us a little bit of
boxing combinations.
And then one day, you know, Istarted wrestling very young I
think around nine or eight andso but I still used to like
these fancy little leg kicks andI'd be like, yeah, I'm just
gonna kick them in the face.
And then one day somebody said,yeah, taekwondo doesn't work on

(01:00:48):
the ground.
And it made me like, oh yeah, Iprobably have to learn
something else.
And it was just really in mylife I have been able to take
people down and hold them andnot hurt them.
There was a drunk guy when I wasin Korea.
You know, the culture is justvery different.

(01:01:08):
He was beating on hisgirlfriend right there in the
middle of the bar and I was likeyou know, my nature wanted to
just get up and beat the shitout of him.
But I was like I will literallycause an international incident
if I do this.
You know and I'm in themilitary, not only that, I was
sure patrol as a military policeofficer, this is gonna be a big
deal.
So I was literally able to.

(01:01:31):
He did some little kick towardsme and he saw me coming out,
grabbed his leg, I swept him foran inside trip and I just
fucking what we now call a giftwrap and I just held him there
and just stared at him Like,yeah, all those little kicks
aren't gonna work.
And the Korean police came withtheir they don't carry guns in
South Korea and they just cameand it was amazing to see they

(01:01:54):
were taking this guy down withJudo and Jujitsu throws and I
was just like wow, they don'thave guns, but they knew all
those techniques and I was likeeven here I can see that this
stuff works.
And so it became this littlething.
Where I was, I would have myfriends over this is a majority
of women and I would teach themlike certain mechanisms and I

(01:02:16):
would say, now, this is what youdon't do in class, this is how
you kind of kill somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
And I was like this is not a joke.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
And I was like but you get somebody in your guard,
this is what a down elbow is andthis is where you hit them.
And I was like this is Jujitsuand that's great when you're in
class, but if somebody'sattacking you, I'm not the guy
telling you to pull out yourrape whistle, I'm the guy
telling you to these are downelbows, these are the strikes
that's gonna make him be like Idon't want anything to do with

(01:02:43):
this.
You're like you damn right.
And when the police do show up,which the police response time
is usually about five minutes.
You know a lot of things canhappen in that five minutes and
police try their damnedest to doa lot of things, but they're
not Batman, they're not Superman, you know you have to get on
the phone.
The dispatcher has a dispatchto mount.

(01:03:04):
If you're in the middle ofnowhere, a state trooper
sometimes can be the onlytrooper in the entire city for
that night patrol and it's gonnatake a while for him to get to
you.
So you have to know whatever ittakes to be like okay, I do
know some kicks, but just incase I'm in the terrain and out
of the mat and I slip and fall,I need to know what happens when

(01:03:24):
he goes to punch, you know, andso I always say I rather I have
my jujitsu is good for youthing.
But I also know I know somegirls that have know some
combination punches and the lasttime this guy got in a fight he
was in middle school.
He thinks he can fight Right upuntil she throws her hands up

(01:03:46):
and knocks his damn clock offand he's like I don't want it.
All of a sudden I'm thinkingabout what I want it to do,
because at the end of the day,bullies like terrorists and
rapists, they go for weaktargets you know what I mean and
they're not gonna targetsomebody who they think is going
to give them some a majoramount of pushback.

(01:04:07):
So that's why I say, like,whatever tools in your toolbox
you can get, I'm pro jujitsu,I'm pro taekwondo, I'm pro
boxing, I'm pro bui taiclenching with some knees, and
I'm like, in all the bad spots,the throat, the nuts, the
kneecaps, everything you can get.
I'm pro teaching women how toshoot, and it's just like I'm

(01:04:31):
training you to do these thingsas I'm praying you never have to
use them.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
And I think it's so important, like when you think
about the belt system and to me,you have to train for life.
Like when I do these seminars,that's one of the first things I
say.
It's like, guys, I'm just, I'mdropping a seed in there and
this has got to grow.
If I'm just giving you what anintroduction to reverse danger
jitsu is and I'll take an assist, then I'll show some things,

(01:05:00):
but I'm not one of those guysthat's like, hey, you're good
after today, anything.
If I'm in San Diego, I'm likehere's a school you need to go
visit.
This is where you need this.
Check out these schools, makeit your home and start to train
consistently.
If it's jiu-jitsu, if it'sstriking, if it's whatever it is
, it can't just be one month andthen you are a magically ready

(01:05:22):
to go.
I agree.
It's trained for life and I likewhite but blue, brown, purple.
But it's still, even when youget third degree.
I can be why I'm still nevergonna stop training.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Correct, I think-.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
I don't know if that's the majority of people.
Majority of people want like Igot my blue belt, I'm good I got
my blue belt.
No, I'm like just gotta keepcoming.
I don't even care If you leaveme and go to another school,
just keep training, keeptraining forever.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
A statement and then a question.
So I 100% agree that you haveto train.
I always we used to have theselittle notions in the military,
these sags, and they said youtrain like you fight, you fight
like you train.
And so it was just.
Sadly I would see so many of myfriends.
We would get put in these badsituations where they would get

(01:06:14):
stabbed or they'd get shot orthey'd get pepper sprayed and a
lot of them lived and a lot ofthem.
My last year in the military Iliterally listened to one of my
best friends, the greatest, oneof the greatest people I knew.
We survived the Middle Easttogether.
He came back right here toNorthbrook, virginia, and I had
to listen to him die over theradio and he was the watch

(01:06:37):
commander at Naval Ortonist Baseand I was the I'm sorry, he was
the chief of the Guard at NavalOrtonist Base and I was the
watch commander at NSA HamptonRoads.
Somebody, a trucker, high onbath salts, who literally was
normally every single day heworked on the base, came normal,
got high his semi, ran the gate.

(01:06:58):
The MAs you know, you knownighttime, they weren't paying a
lot of attention tried to raisethe ballards.
He got through the ballards,got all the way down to the pier
of the ship before he waschallenged.
And he was challenged by afemale who was not properly
trained because she wasn't an MA, she wasn't a military police

(01:07:20):
officer, she wasn't a master atarms, she was actually a store
keep who trained on a gun once ayear and she saw that this guy
had no business being there.
She did everything she could doto stop him and got to where
she had to pull out her gun,pull out her burretta, pointed
it at him.
And one shitty thing aboutthose old military burretas

(01:07:41):
they're heavy and they havesafety mechanisms.
She pulled that trigger.
It did not shoot him and sheliterally I saw it on the camera
and they had the extra forceshe took the gun and put it to
her face to figure out what thehell was going on to it with it
and he snatched it out of herhand and he knew where the
safety was and my friend, markMayo, jumped on top of her and

(01:08:03):
he shot through him trying tokill the girl, and then the
overwatch with the M16s ended upkilling him and the female
lived and the only person thatdied was the trucker who broke
on base and my friend and I keptthinking, jesus, this girl has

(01:08:24):
to suffer for the rest of herlife thinking she did something
wrong when, in all actuality,the Navy set her up for failure.
It was somebody that sheliterally shoots one time a year
.
And I mean, they hand him thegun, they shoot three rounds,
they don't teach them anythingabout fundamentals.
And now my friend is dead.
You know his family got$400,000 check plus $50,000 STLI

(01:08:50):
, but I guarantee you they'drather have Mark Mayo alive.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
For sure, and that's you know.
When you talk about traininglaw enforcement, you know even a
local in Monroe, with thecounty and the city and some of
the local state at the statepost.
It's like Mount Escape PunchDefense, clenching.
You don't have to give a lot.
That's what I tell the officers.
If you're gonna come here, wecan do a Mount Escape every time
you come here, with me throwingstrikes down at you, and that's

(01:09:17):
what we're gonna do.
And the next time you come,guess what we're gonna do?
Mount Escape with me throwingstrikes down at you.
What are we gonna do the nexttime?
Mount Escape with me throwingstrikes down at you, because
you're only coming this month.
So I'm not gonna give you.
I'm gonna give you what you'regonna remember I'm not gonna
give you Mount Escape for 10minutes, punch Defense to clench
for 10 minutes, you know, agrip release for 10 minutes,

(01:09:37):
because it's not you know.
Let's just zone in on one thingthat's gonna stick if you're
not gonna train here consistent,and even then I get you know
it's still not enough time.
You can keep coming.
But that's what I'm trying to dowith law enforcement now,
because if let's hope we had 100officers, maybe 10 or train
consistent, you know, in the gymand the other ones will come

(01:09:59):
once in a while.
That you know.
So you break it down intosituations where they can.
I'm like Mount Escape, mountEscape, mount Escape.
Or you know you're faced thisway.
Next to you, you know, herecomes an overhand right clench,
disengage, be able to accessover and over.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
So what made you, or how did you get into the law
enforcement training at Monroe?

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
So my growing up in Monroe again I mentioned it
started like super small town.
So the police chief on CharlesMcCormick is my good friend and
so my gym is.
Maybe I can throw a stone tothe police, you know police
department.
So he came in and I, you know,showed him what I was doing and
I said look, I work withofficers down in Jacksonville.
Here's the things that we canput together.

(01:10:43):
Any officer from anywhere isallowed to train for free in my
school for forever.
So I don't there's no, there'sno fee.
They can train.
But, like I tell them, yougotta train consistent, you
gotta show up.
We tried to start at two hoursper quarter mandatory.
But now the officers are sostretched with overtime and

(01:11:03):
everything that's been going onsince the pandemic, they barely
have enough time to tie theirshoes because they're working 12
or 18s you know, but they also,I think, training is.
You know, I message and I callthem, like look, it's here for
you.
I usually send them either amonthly or bi-weekly your
reminder like here's what we'redoing, you're always welcome,
please come.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
So I wanted to train.
Yeah, we do the same thing inour gym and you know, with that
because at the end of the day,like you were saying, you know
the girl only shoots once a yearlike a lot of these law
enforcement officers only get,like combatives, training when
they're in the academy or likeevery once in a while someone
will come and do a seminar forthem.
But it's one of those thingslike you have to train for life.

(01:11:44):
You know and I understand thatthis is a job that some days if
you are getting a lot of action,I don't wanna go train at Jiu
Jitsu and be put in thesesituations.
It's, you know, regular,everyday, average people don't
really wanna do that, you know.
So we have always offered freetraining for law enforcement
just because of that reason.
Like you know, all of thesethings where you know people get

(01:12:07):
hurt from excessive force andit's like well, you know, I in a
lot of situations.
I don't think it comes from likemalice, it just comes from like
like if this guy was a bluebelt in Jiu Jitsu, he would know
when he's cranking this, comeon, he's gonna rip this guy's
shoulder out.
Or if you, you know, coversomeone's carotid arteries for
too long, like they will loseblood supply to their brain.

(01:12:28):
Like it's just you know.
So those are really importantthings to be training all the
time.
Even if it is just the mostbasic thing like Mount Escape,
that's a really great one.
That's like a terrible worstcase scenario for a law
enforcement officer.
So if you just know how to getout of there.
You can be confident like, okay, I know enough.
When we're standing on theirfeet, I'll be okay.
If, worst case scenario,someone puts me on my back and

(01:12:49):
his knees over me, I'm gonna beable to get out, or I feel
confident I've done this enough.
I'm gonna at least be able tode-escalate a situation or get
out okay.
So I think that's really reallyimportant and I think that's
something that people that don'tdo Jiu Jitsu, they don't
understand as well.
It's just like they're notsuperheroes, like they're doing
a really hard job that not a lotof people wanna do, especially

(01:13:13):
like in the recent past.
It's like, you know, I'm gonnawanna do that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Yeah, yeah, so well.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
I mean, just here in Norfolk where I live, we're
having, like we're down, likethey're offering bonuses for
people because we don't haveenough officers, like not enough
people wanna do it.
Yeah, but it is cool where welive, the guy that runs the
combatives part of the policeacademy.
He is a black belt in Jiu Jitsu, which I think is really

(01:13:41):
important and that's a reallygreat asset to have.
And he'll even tell people like, hey, go do Jiu Jitsu, or we'll
even have people come in thatlike they wouldn't be, they
didn't get accepted into thepolice academy, and so people
will be like, okay, hey, go doJiu Jitsu first, like,
especially like smaller guysthat they're like poor women and
stuff, send them to Jiu Jitsu,go to the Norfolk gym down here,

(01:14:02):
they'll let you for free.
Yeah yeah, but you know,sometimes when we offer free
things, people don't see thevalue in it, you know so.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Like all of you would be like, hey, I'll flash the
price in half if it, you know,if it helps, you go because
you're paying, you know.
But that's something that'slike kind of near and dear to my
heart because I want, you know,I don't want police officers to
be scared.
Yeah, I want them to you know,confident that they're gonna be
okay.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Well, it's one of those things as, like, I've
always worked for either thestate or the federal government
and I've always had one jobEither I've been a federal
police officer of some type orI've been working contracts and
private security and for thestate or for the feds, like
right now.

(01:14:50):
The contract I worked well,it's protecting Navy vessels.
So it's literally I'm justsitting around with a bunch of
MAs all day and I'm like, oh,you guys can't get in trouble,
I'll go out there and I'll dothe stuff you know.
So the way that we are trainedis in a mechanism where you kind

(01:15:11):
of are always scared, butthat's just because somebody
always just got killed.
You know, even if it's not inyour department, an officer
somewhere is getting shot, youknow all the time.
And even though everybody elsedoesn't know about it, we know
we get those.
We get those.
Those be on the lookouts allthe time.

(01:15:32):
And when I was going throughthe academy years ago, one thing
they would always use to drillinto our head was I'm going home
today, I'm going home, I'mgoing home, I'm going home.
And so I used to tell peoplethere's no such thing as a
routine traffic stop.
It's the most dangerous part ofthe job and it's just like when

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you get out of the academysometimes because the funding in
certain states is so bad, ifyou're not paying to put you
know, keep training, you'rereally only doing your annual
training for your gun shoot, andthat's kind of it, you know.
And it sucks where I say, likewith that young lady, where I
say she was set up for failure.

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Police are kind of in that sameboat, because it's a job that
nobody wants to do, because it'sa thankless job, and so they
are overworked and, by the verynature of the way state funding
works, they're underfunded.
And everybody, you know I usedto joke with some of my cop
friends.
Or they'd be like oh, when areyou going to come to the police

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force?
And I used to say, you know,when I was in the military, if I
was the biggest bag of ass inmy unit, when people saw me in
that uniform, they'd be like oh,thank you for your service.
Oh, just an amazing.
I was like.
But when you see police, that'sjust not what people think and
that's a bad thing.
You know.
People are either afraid ofcops or they get pulled over for

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speeding that they were doingand they're just like what the
fuck you pulling me over for?
And people out here and I don'tthink people recognize that
police on a daily basis are notdealing with the best people in
society.
They're dealing with the worstof the worst of the worst.
They're getting spit on everyday.
You know they're underpaid,they're underfunded, they're not

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supported by a large part ofthe public and most of what the
media, which is a whole bunch ofcurse words coming to my head
and my grandma's listing.
So I'm not going to do that.
But the media has this thingwhere they hyper focus on the
mishap or the bad shot, but notexplaining the context of all.

(01:17:42):
Right, there's 170 people inthat department that didn't do
this today.
Right, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
In times that by all the departments in the country.
Yeah, and then that's what wewere talking yesterday.
It's like you know there's bad,there's just there's bad people
.
You know there are bad peopleand then, but they focus the
media focuses on, they don'tfocus on the 99% of people that
are good people.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
And then zero five, and then everybody thinks that
everybody's like that, just likethe division in this country.
It's not like with the media.
There's more people that aretogether.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:19):
Then the media focuses on that division.
They're trying their best.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
I do a pretty good job.
I got rid of all social mediaand all news.
I just go to my school and Ihelp as many people as possible
and I come back, and I go backagain, and I come back and I go
see my mom and I come back andthat's, and I call my kids and I
tell my love and that's what Ido.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Well, you know what's funny, Speaking of like the
media I'm not gonna ram itTrello's too much, but it was
like last year when they had thedefund the police thing, you
know, and that was like a bigthing and I was looking and I
was trying to see and you know,I have yet to meet anybody
personally who actually wants todefund the police ever and I

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talk for a living, you know, notone Black, white, red, the
Native American, they're like oh, hell no you know, they got a
bunch of crazy people that theyfeel like no, I want more police
.
You know, I actually just wantedto be better paid and more
trained and I actually wanted tolook more like me and I'm like
oh yeah, cool, but that's allyou heard all last year all

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summer.
You know, defund this.
So yeah, and then who you'regonna call when you get attacked
again?
Right yeah, go, go, go fosters.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Yeah, yeah, but this back conversation, it's just the
media.
To me, the media is just.
I just got sick of it I feellike if everybody in a micro
level can help their communitiesout, could be nice to and I
know this cliche, but be nice toone another.
You know I was talking to mykids class yesterday about

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bullying and stuff I'm like helpone another.
Don't say anything negative.
Say something positive.
Keep your mouth shut if you'regonna be negative.
If somebody can't throw orsomebody can't do stuff, and
this is how I end up breaking itdown in my class.
I'm like, if you look over andyou see Jim over there and he's
not getting it right, it's niceto laugh at him and the kids are
like well, no, I'm like wellsome of you guys are laughing.

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Like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
I said that you don't need to do that, you know.
You just be positive.
Help Jim out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Go over there and help him get the throw down you
know.
Yes, yes, and the bigger thingis with our communities it's the
same thing, instead of jumpingon the negative bandwagon be
nice, do something nice today,wake up every day and have a
little post to three things thatyou can do.
Maybe make a phone call tosomebody and see how they're
doing that you haven't talked toin a while.
Number two do something in yourcommunity with volunteer time

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or give clothes away orsomething.
All of us can do somethinginstead of riding this negative
division train that they'retrying to pull on us in the
media.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
So I got a question for you both on that front.
How do you guys, as professors,weed out bad apples or negative
Nazis or Jim cancers out ofyour gyms?

Speaker 4 (01:21:12):
So for the most part like the.
So my gym, like my dad startedmy gym, my brother is a part of
our gym and I'm a part of thegym.
So at the very top of thepyramid of our gym is a family
and I think you know I don'thave a really huge mat space,
it's kind of small.
We don't have more than 100students or anything, so like

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just the core values of our gymare there and we are a family
and we're always trying to lifteach other up.
So in that sense, a lot of thepeople that aren't gonna get
down and vibe with, like whatwe're doing there, they kind of
weed themselves out.
On the level above that we'relike.
You know, some people just havevery terrible social cues or
just aren't like getting thememo or are just shitty people

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in general.
You know, I try to talk to themand be like hey, like are you
okay?
Is everything fine?
Is that?
Because sometimes people justshitty people.
It's not what's wrong withpeople that are around them that
they're being mean to you know,it's something wrong with them.
So really, just starting theconversation usually helps.
And then if it goes beyondsomething else where it's that

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bad I haven't had to do this inmy time.
I'm sure my dad has, but youknow, if it gets further than
that, it's like, hey, maybe youshould just take some time off
from the gym.
And then if it's, you know,even beyond that, like hey, I
don't think this is a good fitfor you, you know.
So I think that the culture atour gym is one that if you don't

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really get the memo you'regonna start to or like even you
know I'm kind of like everyone'slittle sister at the gym, so
when something's happening oryou know, people are gonna
protect everyone.
Like there's I hate to say thatthere's, like Matt, enforcers,
but like if someone's being, no,if someone's being an asshole,

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like someone's gonna-.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
Oh, I gotta edit that out now.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
If someone's being an asshole, you know it usually
gets addressed and granted.
I don't want people to beateach other up but, like you know
, I just try to breed a reallygood culture that we're all
lifting each other up, all helpeach other out.
The biggest thing I have to dois with the kids, like hey, yeah
, like don't laugh at somebodybecause they're not doing it
right.
Do you remember when you firstcame in here and you didn't know

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how to forward roll?

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Exactly, that's what it's all about.
That's what we do when we dowhat it is before they got here.
That's such a good thing.
I want Todd to answer the samequestion.
But before I forget, becauseI'm scannabring that man
enforcement thing, I think, isjust a beautiful position that I
have appointed myself as aresident purple belt, who should
be a brown belt or a black beltalready, because and I see it I

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think it's because I've alwaysbeen able to handcuff people and
do all these things.
And it's like I remember yearsago we had a judo guy come in
and he was just dominatingeverybody and I was like, oh
well, I did a little bit ofcollege wrestling and he seems
like a dick, that is not goingto work on me.
And I was and I was a whitebelt then and I remember I just

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was taking this guy down at willand I was studying everything
he did and I liked the judo.
He actually made me really likejudo.
But that particular guyannounced his throws.
I'd be like, yeah, when I seehim exhale I'm going to blast
double him so hard.
And so it was funny becauseyesterday I realized, you know

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and I'm 36 now I was like Istill do that.
Taylor was rolling with one ofour white belts, who's very
strong, and she was getting, youknow, exhausted which will do
she's the smallest one at thegym and I saw him get a
written-neck of choke.
And when she tapped in my headI wanted to be like, oh great,
he's learning.

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I immediately got pissed offand I just came off the it was
okay, it was okay to be yourselfto that.
And I thought about it when Iwas driving home.
I came off the wall and I justimmediately just beat the next
four people.
I wrestled to show them like,yeah, well, I'm a purple belt
and I can still beat you up andthat's that and that's my

(01:25:14):
instructor.
Don't ever choke her again.
And then, as I was driving home,I was like, oh, you know,
aiden's getting really good.
He got Taylor today and Ishould be happy about that
because he had a really goodattitude about it.
And so, when I was goingoutside, austin said it.
Austin was like, yeah, daryl'sgoing to sit and observe
everything.
And the second, taylor, startslosing.

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He's like whoo, whoo, whoo,whoo.
And I said I did do that,didn't I?
So the same question is forUtah how do you weed out the gym
cancers or the toxic people outof your gym.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
You know, similar to Taylor, I mean, this is our
fifth year and as you weretalking, I was thinking about
the question.
I've been fortunate, you know.
We haven't had, I think, theones that come in and they don't
know much about Jiu-Jitsu, theyweed those out.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
It's like I do pretty good warm-up.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
I worked really hard with push-ups and crunches and
Jiu-Jitsu specific movement.
If they're not at the beginners.
I'll back off a little bituntil they get in there.
But I did get a couple peoplefrom other gyms that I could see
were going pretty hard, butthey're not coming back.
But let's say, for example, ifa new guy came in this week and

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I see him maybe as a four-stripewhite belt and he's holding
onto our arms longer than heshould, or he's really being
rough with, maybe, my olderstudents, I would pull him aside
and say, look, we don't dothings.
That's what we're here to helpeach other.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
We're not here to hurt each other.
If we don't have trainingpartners.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Nobody gets better.
So that's usually how I try tosit.
Almost once a week I'll havethe talk in front of the morning
class and the evening classabout that, about guys we need
to tap, we need to do this.
These are the things thatswitch you should do with your
training partners.
So I'll have that dialogue sothey know my expectations.
So if they do go outside thoserules and the guidelines that
I've set, then they know they'regoing to have a talk with me.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
Now, this is just coincidental.
The head instructor of ourschool, of our lineage, is
Gustavo Machado, and heliterally posted this a few
hours ago and ties into what wewere saying.
He posted this morning and itjust says if you see someone
falling behind, walk beside them.

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If you see someone beingignored, find a way to include
them.
Please remind people of theirworth.
Once small act could mean theworld to them.
It's just one of those things.
I think so much of him because,even though I actually don't go
to his main academy, he's inVirginia Beach and I started off
with Professor Mark Saucer, soI've always stuck with Mark.

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I like his rough and tumble,quick trick style.
I kind of like him.
There's other affiliates thatare actually closer to where I
stay and I've always startedwith Mark and I just want to be
with Mark till I get my blackbelt or blah, blah, blah.
But I've seen that Gustavo isjust such a gentle spirit.

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I've seen where we had a deafguy that does jujitsu at our gym
and when he came for hisseminar he was trying to teach
this kid and my professor, markSaucer, said Gustavo, he's deaf.
Gustavo never said a word,never acknowledged it, and for
the entire portion of theseminar he focused in on that

(01:28:38):
kid to make sure he could seeall the moves and those little
practical examples where I'mlike.
He didn't give a speech, hedidn't say anything, but I saw
the way.
He's one of the best in theworld to do it.
If he could be that nice andnot be a dick, I shouldn't have
to be an asshole either.

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If I have to be mean to compete,I'm probably not that good, you
know what I mean and there'snuance there because I want to
win, but I don't hate myopponent and I don't hate my
teammates.
I actually need them to betough and to train.
And a lot of guys, because ofthe nature of my job, when we do

(01:29:20):
stuff, I tell them oh yeah, I'mthe guy you can roll hard and
they'll be like really.
And I say, yeah, you can do theshoulder of justice, you can
crank my neck.
And I said because I'm doing itfor a different reason.
And I said and most of the timeI'm actually not doing much
attacking, I'm doing a lot ofdefending, because in law

(01:29:42):
enforcement I was taught dothings as if CNN is watching.
So a lot of the times I'mletting you attack me first so I
can respond appropriately.
It's so, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
I was telling you this yesterday.
I feel like my students saycoach, it doesn't look like
you're doing anything.
Just looks like you're layingthere I'm like coach is a snap
and turtle, coach is an old snapand turtle and if you get it,
I'm waiting and I'm going towait and I might put you, you're
going to be in my half guardand then, if I see it, I'm going
to let him look for the sweep,or I'm looking, I'm going to

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stay on good as a submission.
But I want to change my logo toan old snap and turtle with a
key in it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
What's your logo now?

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Just a side note.
Just a side note, my dad islistening and he is laughing
because that's literally how herolls.
He'll still slap hands with meand I'm trying to move all fast
and do all this competitionstuff and he's like just let me
do it.
And then, whenever it's ready,like arm triangle.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
I'm like, oh yeah, don't be tired.
That's so great because I likeEddie Bravo and I like John Joc
Machado and I once heard EddieBravo say he has never been able
to catch John Joc and I'm likeand I have never been able to
catch Mark in a damn thing.
When I was jacked and buff andnever, just never.

(01:31:15):
He's just like yeah, yeah,whatever man, I may be able to
get a nice takedown, but I knowthere's going to be a nice choke
coming, Right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
And you look at it like too, like for longevity
rolling.
It's like I heard my neck in 06.
Really, you know we're doingKing of the man and takedown the
guy with my chin.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
And I thought the drill was over because his butt
was about to hit the mat.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
But then I stopped resisting and he twisted my chin
and pretty much you know,trying to break my neck.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
I mean no.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
I had at the regulations my C5, c6 and
pension him, so it was one ofthose that a lot of us go
through bad next.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
But I'm an orthopedic surgeon, told me he's like you
know, you might, you might haveto retire.
I'm like that's you know, quitjiu-jitsu and retire.
I'm not, you know I was like I'mnot gonna, it goes.
How about a fusion?
I go now I'll just rehab and dotraction.
But from that point forward mygame changed into kind of the
snapping turtle, because I'm I'mlike I know I loved it so much
within the first four years thatI knew it was something I

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wanted to do until I was 100.
So I turned, I was a half.
From that point forward I madethe half car, like if we were
old.
I can even tell you right nowyou may think I'm doing a
takedown.
I'm not.
I'm pulling you right into myhalf car.
So it is people look at my earsand they're like, oh, he's gotta

(01:32:36):
be like a takedown guy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:38):
No, not a takedown guy.

Speaker 4 (01:32:41):
Just from keeping the ear close to the chest and half
car.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
Yeah, so your surgery is that what made you so good
at your cause?
I know you're known for bottomhalf.
Is that what made you start todo your bottom half a lot?

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
Well, I didn't have the surgery.
I did traction and I did ARTand I did a lot of rehab to get
the separation from the disc.
So I never did, but that is whatmade.
Yeah, that's what started myhalf car and Seneca was a huge,
like Seneca was a hall of famefor half car guys.
So he was a smaller, 155,.
Pedro was a smaller, my secondinstructor.

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So I learned from a smallerside of the game and you know
that's I just developed.
I try to study every waypossible from knee, you know.
And countering getting tap,it's different, you know, no one
were the counters to thatcounter.
I just I study half car andnonstop.
But now I am going down thatrabbit hole of the teleguard.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
So it's actually pretty cool.
Our instructor's instructor isGordo I think you can pronounce
his name Cora and he's creditedfor pretty much inventing the
half car and even though if youhear him in interviews he'll say
he didn't invent it, heperfected it.
But every time anybody saysanything they say he invented it

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and he kind of had the samestory.
I watched him on a flowgrappling legends and they say
he had an injury and he had tochange his jujitsu as well and
he started the half car and it'ssomething that I've grown to
like.
I was a takedown artist.
I just I've wrestled since Iwas eight.
I was like I can take downanybody on the planet and now,
most of the time I'm just inhalf.

(01:34:22):
I love it.
I'm just like yeah, yeah,whatever, I already know you're
gonna smash and I'm gonna letyou do that for a little while
and then I'm gonna start doingthese chokes and sweeps and then
oh, by the way, if you were, ifyou go to stand up, I also know
how to wrestle.

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
Right, I was fortunate to meet Gordon on
Miami.
I went to a camp Nice.
I went to a camp down on Miamithree years ago when the Hendo
and.

Speaker 4 (01:34:43):
Hajjer, and those guys were in Miami.
That was an awesome five days.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Gordon overtaught there and then you know to meet
the.
That's what I loved it, causeeverybody calls me half car,
that's like coach's half car,but when I got to meet and if he
doesn't take credit for it, youknow, that's what I always
heard.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
He was the founder of the half car.
So when I came back, I'm like Imet the guy and trained him to
the guy that pretty much createdthis position there.
That was one of the highlightsof my jiu-jitsu career that
meeting Gordon.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Yeah, he's so humble Cause when I listened to him do
the interview, they were keptsaying he created it, created,
it, created.
And he just said no, he said itwas a position that was already
in jiu-jitsu but nobody wasattacking from it.
It was, and he said I startedto learn how to attack and
submit.
And he said so of course peoplewill say I invented it.

(01:35:29):
And he said but you have tothink.
He said what if there'ssomebody in Japan who I'd never
heard of, who's doing the samething and they never got famous?
He says who really invented it?
We've never heard of each other.
And I was just like he's such ahumble guy and I was like, yeah
, but in my head, yeah, myinstructor's instructor invented
half car, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Then you come to the next.
Like that, I like studyingcoyote the coyote half yeah,
yeah.
That's a good one, but you gotto get out to the side or you
get guillotined.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
So you did what is that guy named Bernardo Friera?
Bernardo Friera, yeah.
So you know what's funny.
I got your bottom half fromBrandon, also known as Midwest
Kong, and I was just like, ok,I'm going to start learning from
him.
Two days ago I saw your thingwith Bernardo and I started

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hitting it the other day.
I was like, ah, yeah, that's asneaky choke, a vellapel choke.
Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
But they have to be pressuring forward.
It backs them off.
So you can sit up, you can situp, you know, just get your
wrestling going.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
From the bottom if they stand, but if they're
coming forward it's a lights outchoke Because they're
pressuring.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
Well, I still like it because most of us, the guys I
roll with, they're strong, cock,diesel, military, either marine
or navy guys, so they all loveto smash pass.
I smash pass, so I kind of letthem like, oh yes, oh my god,
I'm getting killed.
You're so strong.
And I'm like, oh no, no, no,I'm looking for this choke that

(01:37:07):
I just saw and I got a guy withit and he was like, oh my god,
you know Daryl's so good.
And I'm like, yeah, you know,get over time and at my head.
I'm like ah, I learned this 20minutes ago, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
Yeah, that's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
Isn't that the awesome thing about like you?
Know, you first started to doaccess to information, was that
there?
Now you can study, like I'vebeen studying the lapel
encyclopedia.
You know, on my TV, you knowyou got I can just study it 24
seven, like I'm, just as soon aswe get done talking, I'm going
out to my TV and I'll startstudying these guards.
So you know and age 52, it'slike I feel like I'm a kid

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because I never want to stop.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Yeah, it's very interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:37:49):
Which I Daryl just real quick.
I actually have to leave.
I got to go open up the gym toteach my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
OK.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
But this has been really awesome.
It's so nice to meet you, Todd.
I really appreciate ourconversation.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Nice to have you.
Wish you all the best in yourgym.
Anytime you're in the role,swing by anytime I come train.

Speaker 4 (01:38:07):
Of course Bye guys.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
All right, tara, I love you.
Teach those kids, love you bye.
So yeah, I was going to ask youbefore we ended.
I was going to ask so you haveKeenan coming.
I just wanted you to talk aboutwhen that was going to happen
and also your role.
That's going on tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:38:28):
OK, so yeah, so I've had a lot of the high level guys
I mentioned earlier, you knowwith JT, and this will be the
first time Keenan I've had LucasLepre, bernardo Faria, pedro
Pajarras, luis Pajarras, butyeah, keenan will be coming in,
let's see.
I'm looking at the date, nextSaturday, which would be
September 18th, which is alreadysold out, by the way which he

(01:38:49):
sold out pretty quick.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
Keenan is good man, I , you know.
It was funny because when I gotto Jiu-Jitsu I literally always
called myself a hobbyist,because I never I guess I never
cared about sports, jiu-jitsustuff.
I didn't watch Jiu-Jitsu filmand so I was, you know, kind of
not.
Maybe that was good because Iwasn't polluted by it.

(01:39:12):
So by the time I started to seewho some of these guys are,
they had already somewhatofficially retired and so I
would be like, ok, I'm heavier,so Buchecha.
And I'd be like, oh, I'm goingto watch Buchecha.
And then I'm like, oh, Buchechaversus Keenan Cornelius, and I
just see him tying this big dudeup, and that was like my

(01:39:33):
introduction.
I was like, oh, and you know,and that was kind of my
introduction.
And now it's like I'm startingto study worm guard and all
these things and I was like Inever would have thought about
when I started in, I think, 2011.
Or I would have.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Yeah, and I like to think of all the history of
Jiu-Jitsu.
Like I've been so fortunate tomeet and hang out and train like
Marcella Garcia, you know,megaton, you know, pesalo,
shonji, andre Goval, you know,jt Torres, you know, and being
able to actually roll with theseguys and get my butt kicked and
learn.
There's the lapel system that Ican be studying now, but then I

(01:40:11):
could go back in time to Gordoand learn.
Go back in time and watch himagain.
I'll learn something else.
So it's never ending.
Like you could change your gametomorrow.
So you don't want to study, I'mgoing to study old school
clothes guard and then you canplay with that for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
And that's the reason .

Speaker 3 (01:40:27):
I think we can do this to our 100, because it is a
game that never changes andthere's so many great, cool
people that you can learn fromand it just keeps shaking.
Just to me, it's like every dayI wake up it's a new buffet.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
Yeah, and I feel like that too.
I sponsor a lot of athletes.
I've been blessed in life to beable to.
It's one of those things Peoplewho don't care about money can
create it really fast.
So I can make money really fastand I've never really cared
about it.
So I sponsor young athletes.

(01:41:02):
I sponsor Taylor, I sponsor herbrother he's fighting right now
for T-Mouth for Mail Couple ofkids from my gym and I have a
logo that I'm like yeah, youwant the logo, you can wear it.
If not, whatever, I don't care.
But it's one of those thingswhere I've run into that same
thing.
I'll meet these guys and theywill be so humble and they won't

(01:41:23):
tell you who they are.
Like I met a female Her name isDominica On Instagram she's
called Dom the Bomb.
Dom the Bomb, your mom.
She's like a seven-time worldchampion and I think like she's
got, I think like four of themat Black Belt, three of them at

(01:41:44):
Blue and so many.
And I was like I met her, shenever is like, oh, by the way,
I'm a world champion.
And I was just like I'mlearning and I would just hear
this girl in the corner and Icould hear everywhere she was
saying, and she was saying nowhe's going to do this and you do
this.
And I'd just be like damn it, Iwish I would have known she was
a world champion, because Iwould have been trying to get

(01:42:05):
these privates.
And she came from MarcellaGarcia as well.
She was one of his Black Belt,and so it's just like it is such
a small, tight knit communitythat I feel like I wanted to
grow, but at the same time I'mlike I'm so special because it's
so small, because I get to meetso many people, and as somebody

(01:42:27):
who's just getting into thehistory, I'm like, well, I
didn't know who this guy was.
I just thought like when I metGordo, that's what inspired me
to try for the world, and it wasjust like he never said oh, by
the way.
I'm one of the original blahblah blah.
I'm a world champion.

(01:42:48):
I conducted I was a nationalteam, whatever.
I saw him.
He came to do a seminar hereand I was kind of like, who's
this Gordo guy?
My instructor is Mark Saucer.
He's a third degree Black Belt.
My other instructor is SamsonSaucer.
He's a first, he's just got hisblack Taylor Saucer, she's got

(01:43:11):
her black belt and theirprofessor is Gustavo Machado.
So when I go to a seminar I goto Gustavo Machado.
That's my lineage.
I can be very stubbornsometimes when it comes to that
which I'm trying to break out ofit and I'll be like, no, I
don't know if that who thisperson is, I don't know if their
stuff works, whatever, I'mgoing to Gustavo's seminar.

(01:43:33):
So when they brought in theysaid, oh no, no, this guy is
Gustavo's instructor, I was like, oh, it's like a dumb moment.
I was like, oh, somebody didhave to teach him, but it's so,
you know.
And then I started to look intoGustavo's lineage and that's
kind of like I started to see,oh my goodness, John, john

(01:43:54):
Machado, and I started to lookat all these people and now it's
literally like that.
I can just go and look at theseYouTube videos or film after
film after film, and I'm likeI've now seen these guys, like I
saw Dan Gable when I waswrestling and I was like I was
blessed when I was in highschool to actually have parents

(01:44:16):
who were able to send me to allthese wrestling camps and I was
like I got to go and get taughtintensive camps to Dan Gable.
I got to go with commentarybrands and Royce Alger and all
these people and my goal was togo to the Olympics and I would
go to Kurt Angle seminars whenhe was winning everything.

(01:44:37):
He came to Cross and John Smithand all these people.
And now you know, I had agrowing injury and my jujitsu
had to change.
So it was just like I was likeI can't throw my wrestling away
because it was so much of mylife, but I just can't do drop
steps like I used to and exposethe people like I used to and

(01:44:59):
instead of getting depressedabout it, it was like life just
handed me a whole other thing.
And it was like wait a minute,your life's not over because you
can't wrestle anymore.
Now you literally havesomething.
Samson is young, he's about 22.
And when he got his black belthe said something.
I tell him sometimes.
I say sometimes, for your age,my brain will think you're like

(01:45:22):
Neanderthal.
And then I say but you'll saysomething to me and it'll be so
profound I'll be like Jesus.
You are Mark's son.
And he teared up.
You get your black belt, yourcrying and stuff.
And he said no matter whathappens in life, he said your
jujitsu won't change.
And he said you can bedepressed and you can go to the

(01:45:43):
gym.
He said your girlfriend canleave you and your jujitsu will
be there.
And he said your jujitsu willalways be there.
And I thought about it.
I said you're right.
Even during the pandemic wherepeople's gyms were closing, and
I thought it was dumb.
That's just kind of how I am,but I kept thinking people want
to be safe.
I was like.
But then I saw people trainingin their garages, ordering mats

(01:46:06):
for 300 bucks and having secretpractices, people putting up
cardboard outside.
You can't see it here and Ithought, yeah, it doesn't have
to be on TV.
We are learning in art.
I saw John Jack Bacchatoteaching classes online and I'd
just be sitting there like, ohOK, this is what they mean when
they say hip case and this isHawking.

(01:46:27):
And it was like by the time Igot back to opening our gym, I
was like I really had Mr B.
I came in at 225.
During the pandemic, I got backdown to 175.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
Oh yeah.
And I turned the pendant, mywife now, we trained, she was
into it, but once that pandemicstarted she was my training.
Now she's addicted.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
She's started training.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
I mean, she's a blue belt and she studies more than I
study.
She studied I can hear it outon the TV right now.
She studied Jiu-Jitsu.
So Jiu-Jitsu is one of thosethings again, when you just hit
it, it's like it's not going togo away.
You can constantly learn,constantly evolve.
But the biggest thing it does,man, it pulls all backgrounds
from everywhere together andyou're on one mat and you're

(01:47:14):
having a blast and it takes awaythe stress.

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
And you know what?
There's so many beautifulmoments that I see that I would
have missed and so many lifelessons.
And I think we talked aboutthis briefly.
When everything happened inAfghanistan, I saw these young
kids and it's hard for me to belike kids I'm only 36.
But to me they're kids and I'm10 years older than them and

(01:47:39):
they were just so distraught andthey were looking at the news
and I remember, for the first 30minutes they knew that I was a
prime military, they knew that Ihad been to Middle East and
blah blah, and they asked mewhat's your opinion on this?
And I was just like, wait aminute, this is kind of not why
I come here.
But I saw it in their eyes andI was like look guys.

(01:48:01):
And I just sat down and talkedto them and then they asked me
questions and I would justanswer their questions and I
literally told them, I saidhere's my number.
I said I'm very happy that oneof them was only 19 years old.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
And I said man, when?

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
I was your age, I was not in tune like this at a
gates and this kind of stuff.
I said I'm so proud that youwere concerned about this type
of stuff at your age.
I said because a lot of peoplecould be going in a different
direction.
And I said if you have aquestion, don't be frustrated,
text me.
And I said I will literally doeverything I can to accurately

(01:48:40):
answer your question.
I said cut your TV off.
Because I said the media wantsyou to be outraged.
But also that's going to cometo where you're going to feel so
helpless Because there's notbeing in, did they Internal rage
you have inside?
You're gonna turn it on yourcountrymen with different
opinions.
And so I would just kind of see, like sometimes we would have

(01:49:04):
these complex conversations andI'd be like, oh, my goodness, I
would have never thought thisperson supported such and such
and and, but because I got themthrough jujitsu first, how I
would have demonized them or howthey would have been demonized
before.
You know now, as somebody sayssomething, I'm like that's not
true, you know.
I know, I know somebody who's awhatever and that's not what

(01:49:26):
they believe.
You know, oh, how do you know?
Because I've been rolling withthem for Four years and he's
never, you know, and it's like.
So it's a very beautiful thingwhere it does bring these people
together from all thesedifferent backgrounds.
I remember we had a guy at thegym one time.
He had a full-on swastika andwe were just like, man, this guy

(01:49:48):
is a Nazi.
But so you know.
And then they were like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
That guy used to actually be aNazi.
He went to jail, he changed hislife.
Now he's like a Zin Buddhistand he literally only keeps the
tattoo to remind himself of howfar he comes.
And if you and I was just like,oh, if you know, if I would
have saw that guy out in public,you know I would have hauled

(01:50:11):
ass and ran.
You know, you know, and I wasjust like, wow, you know, and so
, one of the nicest guys youwould ever want to meet.
And I asked you, I just askedhim.
You know, I got into it and youknow I learned some things from
somebody from a source that Inever would have got.
I'm like, yeah, jiu-jitsu givesyou, you know, stuff like that
that you know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
Yeah, that's like having a police in the academy.
You know, cuz I have you knowI've had some guys that have
served some time, that aretrained at my school, that I
have the police and so they'reall in a map together and they
become friends and that's youknow.
You know you sit in like in ourtown.
You've got one side of town,you got this side of town.
They get to my gym.
It's one town.
That's why I was like that andI say some of the kids that have

(01:50:54):
been in trouble in their lifeit's like, and you're in, they
may I stuff if I don't see himfor a couple weeks.
I'm like, oh, you know, they'regravitating back toward another
influence in her life.
And I'll take off them with atext.
I hate him with a phone calland say, man, come to this map
as many hours a week as you canbecause, yeah, there's, it's so
positive, it's such a positiveinfluence in so many people's

(01:51:16):
lives.

Speaker 1 (01:51:17):
Yeah, it really is.
And I found Jiu-Jitsu right ata hard time for me personally,
refounded because the guy thatraised me, my grandfather,
passed away um, recently fromCOVID and I and I kept thinking,
like you know, I got back intosport at the right time because

(01:51:41):
I would have self-destructed,you know, and because, so, how
you know, would have importantfigure.
He was in my life, in all ofour lives, and because he was
almost 90, you just felt like hewas gonna live forever, you
know, and then it was just thatthing.
I'm like man.
I remember literally mygranddad been in my life from

(01:52:03):
elementary school, all the waythrough college, all the way
through my military career, allthe way out, and it was just
like.
So when you know, covid happened, the way he passed away just
seems so remarkably unfair to me, because my family lives in
Florida, you know, he was in thehospital by himself.
They wouldn't let his wife inthere with them and you know my,

(01:52:26):
they, my family, practicallycalled me and said you need to
say goodbye and had him on avideo, and you know, and I just
Broke down and then it, you know, I cried and everything.
But then immediately my brainwent to how unfair this was for
this amazing person and hismilitary veteran and fought in
Vietnam and the Korean conflict,and how could the government do

(01:52:47):
him like this?
He can't even have his family,or, and I was just furious and
the only thing that called mewas to be able to go to the gym
every day and release thatstress.
And and then I realized youknow where time was like.
Well, this is not anybody'sfault.
You know, these people I seeevery day.
I can't just, you know.
You know, snap on them and it's.

(01:53:10):
It was something where I wasagain.
You know it works.
Sometimes it's it's a workout,sometimes it's you have an issue
that you want to, you want tobe competitive.
Sometimes it's it's a form of.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
Therapy.
That's reason, like saying,like you know, some of the
people that will come in as a,as an owner, professor, coach of
these of my students, you knowbeing encouragement like I can
tell you know I can see ifsomebody's down in the dumps
Maybe they just say hey, thatwas a good scissors, we good job
today, yeah.
Yeah, man, you know, even if yougot tapped 30 times in a roll,

(01:53:47):
has watching you roll.
Man, you're getting more andmore technical.
You know those encouragingwords.
You never know how closesomebody is to being in a really
bad, bad spot in their life,and I feel like me as that's
another thing as a school owneris Is is just an encouraging
school, so they, when they go totheir car, I want them to go.
Ah man, I'm glad I came.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
Go man.
I wish I wouldn't have came.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
So I on that, on that.
No, I got one question.
We have a really nice Fight towin and I'm kind of like you
coming up right now, so yourfavorite jujitsu practitioner
right now and I'm only gonna letyou pick three who do you like
right now that you think is thejujitsu?

(01:54:35):
You kind of like the mimic,like not, it's a.
It's an unfair question becauseI'm not talking about an
instructor who's no longercompeting.
I mean, like the younggeneration coming up.
You know the way they fight andtrain.
Like who do you like Mike?

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
What's that?
Mikey would be number one, justspeak.
I mean the guys.
A non-stop worker, super humble, super technical, and he goes
for the finish.
Yeah, you know, I know a coupleof, I'm just you have see what
you know Is advantage in acouple of the world
championships.
Couple years ago I wasfortunate to have America's
seminar.
I love his work out the guy,love his kindness, a super

(01:55:10):
humble guy.
So Mikey and then Ruto oh,twins.

Speaker 1 (01:55:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:55:15):
That's.
I mean gosh man, those guys arenon-stop.
I mean you know you have theDaisy pressure only.
Let me pick three.
So I would say Mikey and theRuto it's ones because I Just
not stop and they're technicaland they're good, they're seem
like they're really good kids.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
I had to make it hard for you.
If you were, if you were aone-stripe black belt, I would
have gave you 10 people, but Ibut I had to make as you get
more advanced, I have to make ittighter for you.
I know, and you know what I'mlike, that as well.
I love the Daisy fresh guysBecause I like the rags, the
riches story and I love Andrewwill see, just because of his no

(01:55:55):
nonsense, go for the kill sweep.
You know.
His wrestling is he's getwrestle off you know that his
whole thing about it looks likehe's sitting guard and he's
ready to come up and yeah, and Ialso like him because he will
take tough matches, you know, ifthere'll be a fight to win and

(01:56:17):
he'll, and his attitude is sogood because he'll say you know,
I try to be very nice to myopponents and if they're trying
to be mean to me I'll walk awayfor a little while and he's like
, and I'll come back and try tojoke with them some more.
You know, and I was like, I waslike yeah, but then you watch
him roll and I'm like, oh, he'svery In your face, tough, but
then right in the max is over.
He's very friendly, playful andmy Kimusimachi's also, like I

(01:56:42):
put him and Andrew will see kindof up there together.
I like Mikey More just becauseI've always liked the smaller
fighters and I'm so impressed.
You know Andrew's my size, he's151, 85 and he I listened to
him on BJJ mental models theother day and he said he
actually should be 175.

(01:57:03):
He just says he refuses to dietand eat.
Right, he said he eats pansaexpress every day and so he was.
He was pretty funny when he wasjust like yeah, he was like do
you think I'm a naturalheavyweight?
He said no, it said I couldactually be.
165 was 75.
I just refused to stop eatingpanda express and I thought I
thought, wow, you know what areal you know moment.

(01:57:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:27):
I mean they work.
So I look at workers becauseyou know, with my background and
running, I never felt like.
I was Town, I always act like Iwas on the JV, trying to make
diversity.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
So yeah hard and I love people that are dedicated
and it seems like you know asmuch as those guys train a daisy
fresh.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
You can see how his game is elevated to like not
only to see aggressive, he'ssuper tight, but his passing is
amazing, he's non-stop.
His conditioning.
He may say he's even pandaexpress or whatever, but some is
going in his gas tank for himto bring the heat, I mean see,
and he's like and my yeah, mything is, I feel like, is it is
a human being.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
I always tell people you need to be able to do both.
If you, if you want to drink,you just need to know you have
to pay for that.
You're gonna have to go to thegym and work a lot harder.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonnagive you a diet unless you ask
me for, but I'm gonna tell youthis may not be good for you in
this type of sport.
And so I like that, I like.

(01:58:26):
I like Mikey, because I Do likehis attitude.
Like it was actually prettyfunny that Taylor's gone because
we had a nice little debatewith the Geo Martinez and Mike
can be some magic thing.
And I wrote a nice long postPersonally to Geo when the whole
thing happened and I just saidyou know, you talked a lot of

(01:58:47):
trash.
And this kid never saidanything to you.
I, you know, and and I justsaid you were the one that you
know he you blah, blah, blah.
And I just said, if you'regonna talk trash, at least win.
And, and it was.
You know, it was one of thosethings, or, and I told them when
I got to the gym.
They were like, did you see?
But your comment had 900 andsomething likes and blah, blah.
And I said I want you guys toknow I actually like Geo

(01:59:08):
Martinez, I really love him.
And I said, but I felt like hedid this thing where he made me
pick sides and I was like I'mgonna always pick the side of
the guy not talking trash.
And I was like, but I said Iknow, in human nature you like
to fight or the talks trash.
I was like we like Mike Tyson,we like Muhammad Ali, we like
you know, yeah, and I said so Icarry two sets of books because

(01:59:34):
of what I want in Larger society.
I said I want somebody who willhyper fight and do that thing.
But then I said, but it'sdifferent when I see like well,
somebody's not responding, andmy brain was like, well, nice,
he was like bully.
Now you're just, you're doingthis to this kid.
You know, he's saying we'refriends and he's like, oh,
you're ain't my friend and I'mjust like, and then I kept

(01:59:55):
seeing Mikey, he doubled down,he was like my good friend.
And so I, he really gave myrespect because I said he, he
wouldn't come out, he wouldn'tdo anything negative.
He let you get to do thetalking and then after the match
didn't talk to a little bit oftrash.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
Spending the weekend here with Mikey, like when he
came in on a Friday, left on aSunday.
You know, Mike even admits onhis interviews like he's
socially are you know hisinterviews even says look, this
is tough for me.
He's not good in front of likethe interview.
Like Mikey loves you, just,yeah, like he wants it.
That's all he wants to do istrain six to eight hours a day
and I think when he gets intoconflict that day you can see it

(02:00:41):
threw him off right here.
He's not used to it.
Yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
He didn't like it and and I and you could you know we
do a lot of body language stuffin Psychology and I could, you
could see it all over his facewhen, when they said your fun,
they said he talked trash hiswhole face.
In that interview, before thething, his whole face.
Mannerism changed.
He was somebody you could readthat he was very uncomfortable,

(02:01:04):
you know.
He just was not interested.
So I thought, like I said, youknow I Sponsored some
independent media shows as well.
So I don't know if you everheard a rear-necked radio.
It's a just a jiu-jitsu podcast.
I'm one of the major sponsorsfor that because I know Jamie
Kielstein and and Jamie trainsat 10 planet Austin.

(02:01:26):
So when I came out and said whatI said about geo, jamie was
like in my inbox and we werekind of talking back and forth
and I was just like you know,jamie came out and put a video
out vouching for geo and voucherfor Mikey, saying these two are
like very great people andthey've done More than most of
us have done in our entire livesand I watched that video and I

(02:01:47):
kind of softed me a little bit,but I was still like Jamie, your
friend is the one that startedthe trash, talking like you know
.
But then I backed up, I waslike you know, it's just fun and
games.
They have to sell the fight,you know.
But I was kind of, you know,messing with geo a bit.
He's like, oh yeah, you know,he could, he may be able to do
this, but when he fight me anEBI, and I said, oh, that's like

(02:02:09):
me saying, I was like it isn'tEBI stands for any broadly
inventational and that's whereyou got your black belt, did he
say something about combat.
Yeah.
And so he was just like, well,you would fight me in this.
And I'm just like, yeah, youkeep asking him to fight you and
stuff that your instructormakes.
I say that's like saying youcan't beat me in my gym and my

(02:02:30):
instructor sets the rules, setverbally.
That I like I said that's notthe point.
The point was he signed up forthis fight to win or whatever it
was you should.
He fought Valiantly at 135,after not doing no geese, you
know, forever.
He came and literally had been,has been knocking off the top

(02:02:52):
people at 135, at 145, the jumpto 155.
I was like you had to respectit.
Now, the fact that he's notdoing that thing that people do,
whether they're just playing itsafe, I do site.
Yet he's doing what traditionaljujitsu is supposed to be about
a smaller person Saying mytechnique can let me beat these

(02:03:14):
bigger people and so that's why,like right now, he's like my
number one.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
Cuz.
I got my little Instagram andI'm in Gordon Ryan.
They had camp down in Floridaso, like JT was there, gordon
was where Mikey was and they allrolled together was some.
It was like a super pro campthat somebody put together and
and Gordon was talking about thepeople he was wrong with.
I checked on the Gordon's pageand I said what'd you think
about Mike?
And he came back and he goes.

(02:03:45):
What was his quote?
He said I'm gonna stay up allnight trying to figure out a way
to get that kid.
It was my toughest day.
So even Gordon Ryan, at hisweight Going against Mikey, was
so impressed with Mikey's.
You should see that.
Told me if.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
Gordon.

Speaker 3 (02:04:02):
Ryan is saying that about Mikey, then you got it,
you got it, the kids just he'samazing yeah it was.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
It was that I hadn't seen that quote, but I was
watching.
You know, I pay for flowgrappling.
I like, I like them, I feellike they have the more exciting
fights.
I like the fight to wins.
I love the fight to wins.
And you know, and I've Gordon aninterview, and Gordon said to
this day I still have not passedMikey Musimachi's guard and I

(02:04:33):
was like whoa, I was like Igotta pay attention to this kid
because Because when I, when Igot back into Jiu Jitsu which
has been very recent, I thinkI've only been back for about
nine months or so Everybody wastalking about the day of her
death squad.
So I was all you know.
So the loudest person Is Gordon.

(02:04:53):
It's so, you know, I just belooking at Gordon stuff and I'd
be like, well, his politics arekind of crazy and and.
But I would be like, well,that's just because he's 25.
Yeah, you know, and he's verythis or that and I expect you to
be like that at 25, but Ialways respected the fact that I
would write him messages on hisInstagram and he respond back.

(02:05:15):
Yeah, you know, he was alwaysvery respectful.
You know he would trolleverybody, he was fighting, but
he'd be like, oh, you know, mrReclaim about, I'm like, oh,
this kid can't be as bad as youknow everybody's saying he is.

Speaker 3 (02:05:29):
Yeah, he's been on a show.
It's a promotion to he's, he'sa he's so promotion, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
Yeah, but and I listened to him in an interview
and he said that he said hisinstructor, dana her, told him
If you don't have a personalityyou're not gonna make any money.
That's I said.
So when I heard the interviewsI said, oh so it's a gimmick.
And I was.
I watch his matches and I wouldsay, well, it's you.
Jitsu kind of speaks for itself.

(02:05:53):
He does a lot of trash talking.
But I said, put so, so didMuhammad Ali, you know, and and
if you can back it up, that wecould do, and so so that was
just my my thing.
So I got Andrew, will see, Igot my Kimu Sumetchi and I also

(02:06:13):
Right now I'm like going oldschool, but I, I still do.
I I love, even though he's kindof retired now.
I just loved the way Buchachacan slow it down and then just
Grind it out with me, you know,when it's time.
And now I'm getting into KeenahCornelius a lot because I
started using the pills.

Speaker 3 (02:06:34):
So those are like like if you're going in, like
Back, a little bit like JTTorres is.
You know he was here and thatguy's Jiu-Jitsu is old, it's.
He can counter the new schoolwith wrestling and his pressure,
like he doesn't really play.
You know he's not playing thebell, he's not playing in.
No, you know he uses good solidbase Wrestling and pressure and

(02:06:58):
he doesn't have to use any ofthe new stuff because that's
what he does and like.
So I'm a fan of that type ofgame too.
I kind of like the new,innovative.
But you give you give me a goodSolid wrestler that has great
Jiu-Jitsu.
I like that man.
It's gonna be like a hajirGracie.

Speaker 1 (02:07:14):
Think about hajir and not a great wrestler.

Speaker 3 (02:07:16):
But hajir was a, or is a pressure Fundamental.
I'm gonna mount you and I'mgonna choke you without anything
special, or I'm gonna get youin my clothes guard.
I'm gonna go two on one.
I'm gonna get your back.
I'm gonna do a flower sweeper,I'm gonna do a, you know, so I'm
gonna get your, I'm gonna mountyou.
I like kind of that when I seethe old school win in the new

(02:07:38):
era.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
I love.
Yeah, yeah, see, and and Iforgot Speaking of hajir Gracie
the person that I really respectand like now is, uh, lovato Jr
and and, and I love his attitudeand I just love his.
You know, it's very simple andI kind of I tell people I carry

(02:07:59):
two sets of books, I payattention to all the new school
stuff.
I bought the leg entanglements,dvds.
You know I bought the you knowcyborg stuff, but I was like my
brain tells me what you guysaren't studying.
I'm gonna go study that because,you know, I will just Study the

(02:08:19):
defenses to the stuff you guysare trying and I'm gonna go back
and learn all the basics,because even when I see people
who are leg entanglement Gods,well, they're all into with
chokes and armbars because theleg, the leg entanglements,
they'll cancel each other out.
And then they go to basicJujitsu and I'm like, yep, so

(02:08:39):
why don't I Just learn thebasics, learn the fundamentals,
get you know, get very good andtechnical with the stuff that
the founders, you know, created,because now everybody's
ignoring it and my brain says,if you don't have a foundation,
your whole house is built onJello pudding and you know.
And it's like, yeah, and I justfeel like all right, it's like

(02:09:03):
seeing the guy with a big chestand chicken legs Like well, I'm
just gonna kick you and you'regonna fall over, and so that's
the little game I play playingthe gym.
They'll look at somebody andthey'll be like, oh yeah, he's a
wrestler.
Blah, blah, blah and we gotsome nta qualifiers.
I'm like well, cool, thanks fortelling me.
He doesn't know jujitsu.

(02:09:23):
So I'm literally gonna sit onmy butt and I have taken the way
to take down now.
And now we're gonna do, andthen, after I've worn him out
for four minutes oh, by the way,I also know how to wrestle, so
now I'm gonna wrestle you.
But but now you, you have thatin your head.
Do I really want to take himdown?
I'm like, yeah, that's when thefun starts.

Speaker 3 (02:09:47):
Yeah, yeah, so true, man so true.

Speaker 1 (02:09:50):
So my my last Uh question because I'm one of
those like I could talk to youall day about this stuff Is you?
You have an event going on inthe next few hours?
Tell me a little bit about that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:04):
So, uh, six 20 tonight will start it at six 20.
We're gonna do a 51 minutestraight roll.
It's uh, in honor of my collegeteammate, great friend,
brazilian jiu-jitsu bluebell,military veteran State champion
runner.
I could brag about him all daylong.
He was a state trooper up herein michigan.
And so it's September night2013.
You team, uh, state trooper.

(02:10:25):
Routine traffic stop up innorthern michigan.
Susie said license registration.
The guy had a 357 magnum there.
He had, he had some drugs inthe car, was out of his mind and
shot Paul on the head andkilled him.
It's it said the call was in atsix 20 and paul was the 51st
State trooper in the state ofmichigan that died in the line

(02:10:46):
of duty.

Speaker 2 (02:10:47):
So what I do is his name.

Speaker 3 (02:10:48):
Name was butter because his last name is butter.
You know butterfield.
So in college we call himbutter and Uh, we're just really
good friends and so I startedsomething three years ago called
the butter roll.
Um, you know, in honor of paul,and we'll, we'll roll.
We started six, 20 and thenwe'll finish it up 51 minutes
later.
So people pick partners.
You, as long as you're rolling,you can roll with different

(02:11:09):
partners, but you're rolling 51minutes straight.
I try to raise money for you,falling trooper fun, for officer
training programs, Anythingthat I can do to help in the
honor of paul.
That's what we're starting,that's what I started.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
Three years ago and you know we'll have officers
come.

Speaker 3 (02:11:22):
We got people coming in from down in ohio and you
know probably have A coupleyears ago.

Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
We couldn't do it last year because of the
pandemic.

Speaker 3 (02:11:29):
A couple years ago we had, you know, 60, 70 people on
the mat Rolling, so it's a it'sa good thing.
Uh, I like to make it gonationwide, I like to get it
rolling.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
So what, what I want?
I, that's a really good cause,um, you know, and what I want to
do is I think right now Isponsor like six fighters.
I want to get them in on it.
So obviously they're gonna missout this year, but I want to
see I know they would love totravel To see if I can get them
to your gym next year when youdo it.

(02:12:01):
So one of them, one of the kidsI sponsor, his dad works for the
sheriff's department in doorfolk and he's Thinking about
going to the police academyhimself.
So it's something that I wouldlike to get them in on because
they're very young.
As a matter of fact, taylor isthe oldest person I sponsor and
she's only 25.
So, and I just want to have andit's I had do that because I

(02:12:23):
feel like I wanted.
When I see them doing somethinggood, I want to keep them on
the right path, and so I'll stayin contact.
So when it happens, I'll booktheir flights and everything, or
they're.
They're big on air b&b's andstuff in the days you know, and
I'll be.

Speaker 3 (02:12:43):
It's something I wish you know.
It's you know.
I just had the idea of thebutter roll right, so it's
something I wish you could gonationwide for awareness of.
Like we talked about earlier,officers Most officers are good
people.
Yeah, media focus is on the badapples, but also officers need
more training.
So the funding, the anyway Idon't if it's five dollars.

(02:13:05):
So, whatever the funding can be, my school is free for any
officer.
Like any officer comes fromVirginia, they come into my
school, they're trained.
Any officer can train in myschool for free.
But if funding that needs to behad, that on top of in top of
kind of the education thatschools.
When an officer comes in, theyneed to know, look, here's what
we're going to be training atour school.

(02:13:25):
It's just not about you knowCross-chokes and we're going to
be doing and Mount escapades andthe things that they are going
to learn like a curriculum thatmakes sense to the officer,
because somebody that hasn'ttrained before and they're an
officer, a younger officer,they're not gonna really they're
not know what they're goinginto.
Maybe they youtube and go I Idon't see how that's applicable

(02:13:47):
for what I'm gonna do andfunding and just sit over all
awareness of how importantofficers are in our communities.
Like that's trying to bringbring awareness to.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
I totally agree.
I, my friend Jamie Kilstein,who does Runeck radio, always
says man, I could talk to youall day and I'm all for it.
So I could literally Talk toyou for the next forever.
So, uh, is there anything elseyou'd like to say?

Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
before you know, we in Well, just anybody's ever in
their own Michigan come to justyou can train, have a good time
If you're out there anywhere.
Keep rolling, stay healthy andsurround yourself with good
people.
Make smart decisions and liveyour life to the fullest.

Speaker 1 (02:14:29):
All right, guys, that is Todd Williams, among Roger
Jitsu, and I'm going to link tohim his accomplishments.
I stole his pictures off hiswebsite.
I'm going to put those up inthe show notes so you can look
at it and if you're in michigan,uh, you can check him out as
he's at his gym and, guys, whatan amazing interview and Very

(02:14:51):
easy, flowing, very, um, goodguy.
You can kind of tell from theflow of the conversation that he
is very genuine.
So I'm going to link toeverything that he has doing his
, his Jiu-Jitsu lineage, histrack, career, etc.
In the show notes so you canfind him and we're going to keep

(02:15:15):
in touch for, um, everythingthat he has trying to get as
much positivity out there in theworld as possible.
In any rate, thank you fortuning in to the show, uh, and
see you on the next episode um.

(02:16:22):
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