God's Chosen: Who Really Inherits Abraham's Promises?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
For our Sunday episode.
I'm going to put on my pastoralhat, of course.
The last episode I did a shorton the question of theology and
I postulated the claim that badtheology makes bad policy.

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This particular question wastalking about a theological
framework that we embracetowards certain nations.
This was brought to myattention because of the
interview that went viral withTucker Carlson and Ted Cruz.

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Because the issue is soimportant, I'm going to do
something that I normally do notdo and I'm going to play a
discussion in our Sunday hour,just like I used to, and plan to
get back to posting some of thespiritual sermons from the past

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.
In this one, we're going to dothis thing where we go to
apologetics and explain thisdifficult issue from the text.
We're going to be going to ashow that I watch regularly

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called Epologia Radio, and thatwill be the voice you will hear
explaining this very difficultissue in a very intelligent and
respectable manner.
I hope that this is a blessingto you.
As it was a blessing to me.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I hope that this is a blessing to you, as it was a
blessing to me.
I would say if the authoritiesdidn't want us involved in the
public square, they ought not tohave crucified Jesus in the
public square.
Use humanistic principles.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
I would say what's the problem with Stardust by
thinking of Stardust In thecosmic picture?

Speaker 4 (02:04):
No, there's no problem.
Stardust pumping into stardustIn the cosmic picture no,
there's no problem.
In the cosmic picture, it won'tmatter.
No, mr President, you are notprotecting reproductive freedom,
you are authorizing thedestruction of freedom for one
million little human beingsevery year.

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I'm sorry, my friends, but I amtired of seeing Jesus presented
as a weak beggar.
He is a powerful Savior and thegospel is not a suggestion, it

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is a command.
You're a Ramona, don't yousympathize with that?
I sympathize with every singlehuman heart wishing to know the
one true and living God, but Ibelieve there's only one way
that that can happen throughJesus Christ, and the Gospel is
about repenting of sin, notcelebrating it.

Speaker 6 (03:10):
Right now you're on the threshold of an amazing
adventure.
We will explore the spiritualabyss.
You have not experienced thisbefore.
You're going to love it.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
But it is not as though the word of God has
failed, for not all who aredescended from Israel belong to
Israel, and not all are childrenof Abraham because they are his
offspring.
But through Isaac shall youroffspring be named.
This means that it is not thechildren of the flesh who are
the children of God, but thechildren of the promise are
counted as offspring.
That's from Romans, chapter 9.

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Everybody, welcome back toanother episode of Apologia
Radio.
This is the Gospel Heard Aroundthe World, everybody.
Special episode, unusual time.
Of course we recognize that,but lots of stuff is happening
right now, and so we wanted tospeak to it, and speak to it
from Scripture, and so I want tothank you guys for joining us.
Please share this across allyour social media doodads and do
all the things and the clicksand the likes and all that stuff

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like that.
Let everyone get in on thisconversation.
It is an important one becauseit actually has consequences.
This is where we talk about badtheology hurts people.
Well, this is a premier example.
This particular discussion is apremier example of how bad
theology can actually hurtpeople.

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It can hurt nations and it canhurt people with thermonuclear
heat, and so the stakes are highwith this one and this
particular subject.
We're talking about it now inlight of, of course, the events
of the last 12 days or 13 days,and so that matters.
What's happening right nowmatters, but this mattered
before the last 12 days.

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This will matter long after,because this is really about
what Scripture teaches about thegospel itself, what does it do?
And the people of God.
What does Scripture say aboutthe people of God and the
blessings and the promises uponthe heirs of Abraham?
And so this is a central issueright now, because much of

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what's taken place over the lasttwo-week time period has a lot
to do in terms of even theconversation happening with this
particular issue of who is theIsrael of God, who is a part of
the Abrahamic blessings, who isthe heir of those promises to

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bless the world through FatherAbraham, who is or who are the
people of God.
And so this is really important.
And I want to just say, as weopen this, I want to be very
humble to all my brothers andsisters in Christ who would
disagree on this particularissue.
Look, within the Christianchurch, we have fundamental
agreement and essential unityover the fundamentals, the

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essential issues, and Christiansdo disagree on tertiary issues,
non-essential issues, theadiaphora, those side issues.
We have disagreements and someof those disagreements are not
very important and not veryconsequential.
And some of those disagreementsare vitally important issues.
They shouldn't divide us interms of you're not a Christian

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and I am, in terms of you're nota Christian and I am.
But they have consequences, andthey have meaningful
consequences in our localchurches and our families, but
also for international relations.
And so if you disagree with meon this issue, just know that I
love you and I love you in theLord's name.
But this is a vitally importantissue.
And I want to say at the outsetwhere was I on this particular

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issue?
As a young believer in Christ,as a fairly new believer in
Christ?
Well, I spent all my time thatI could reading the Jerusalem
Post, looking for the Red Heifer, the rebuilding of the Third
Temple.
I was wishing myself intorapture constantly big fan of

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Left behind series anddispensational premillennialism.
And just to show you how listen,just to show you how committed
I was to the side that ispopular now, with legislators in
Congress that are influencingour president and even pastors
nationally influencing ourpresident.
My firstborn son's middle nameis Israel, and so if you want to

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know just how committed I wasto that perspective, god's
chosen people, the people on theland today, they're God's
chosen people and my son'smiddle name is going to be
Israel, the Israel of God,soldier of God.
That's where I was, and sohopefully you have some sympathy
towards me.
I've been there, I've been apart of that, and what convinced

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me otherwise was a consistentreading of the Scriptures, both
Old and New Testament, but inparticular what the New
Testament inspired authors sayabout the identity of Israel and
, of course, what the NewTestament authors consistently
say and the Old Testamentpromises the kingdom say about
the future of the world.

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And so that's where my mindchanged.
But look, if you trust in Christ, you're a repentant, believing,
baptized Christian.
We're part of that universalbody of Christ.
We're together in this.
We have disagreements.
I just want to say body ofChrist, we're together in this.
We have disagreements.
I just want to say, as yourbrother and as a minister of the
gospel, that this particularissue has.
Sometimes it can lead to veryterrible consequences, and we're

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talking about internationalrelations and wars and nuclear
bombs and those sorts of things,the threat of that anyways, and
so lots has happened in thelast two weeks.
We're going to talk today abouttwo central issues and, just you
know, work through them.
One is what does the scripturesay about who is the true Israel
of God?
And then we're going to talk abit, of course, about what

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happened in Iran and in theMonarch State of Israel the last
couple of weeks and also wherewe're at today.
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All right, so obviously, well,I shouldn't say obviously many
of you have probably seen,because it's been making the
rounds and I don't know how manymemes and shorts and reels have

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been made over this particularportion of the interview, but
Tucker Carlson did a pretty longI think two hour long interview
with Senator Ted Cruz and man,this was, this was a heated one
right, I mean, if you haven'tgot a chance to see it yet after
the episode today, go take alook.
One, right, I mean, if youhaven't got a chance to see it
yet after the episode today, gotake a look.

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I think the stuff they talkabout is important.
It's a substantial discussion,but also it gets a bit fiery
between them both a number oftimes throughout this, and so
it's also, let's be honest,quite entertaining.
So if you get a chance afterthis, go check it out.
I think you'll really enjoy it.
But there were a few moments inthis that were, I think, really

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important and I think Tuckerdid a good job of pressing on
some of the just rather accepteddogma and so there's sort of a
standard dogma of theconservative party, the
Republican Party, evenevangelical Christians, and how

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we approach some of these issues.
And so I did respect greatlyTucker in challenging some of
the ways that we just sort ofhave an off-the-cuff sort of
immediate response.
This is our view, this is whatwe believe, this is what we
should do, and Tucker, I think,did a good job of challenging
some of those things and atleast saying why give us a
reason, why not just the partyline?
Now, I have respect for boththese men, I love both these men
, but it was nice to see Tuckerbe willing to be brave enough to

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confront and go after a bit ofthe sacred cow on a number of
issues, and so this is the, Ithink, most popular and, for our
show today, most important partof that interview to deal with,
and so I'm going to go aheadand play it for you right now
Tucker Carlson, senator Ted Cruz, on the identity of Israel.
The question is, is the Israelof the Bible the same as the

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current Israeli government?
I would probably want to framethat more specifically in terms
of the modern state of Israel,but here it goes institution and
you played a very, very carefulword game of eliding.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
You're the one who said it, not me, so you still
haven't asked why, but I'm goingto tell you why.
Okay, and the reason is twofold.
Number one as a Christiangrowing up in Sunday school, I
was taught from the Bible thosewho bless Israel will be blessed
and those who curse Israel willbe cursed.
And from my perspective, I wantto be on the blessing side of

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things.
Those who bless the governmentof Israel, those who bless
Israel is what it says.
It doesn't say the government,it says the nation of Israel.
So that's in the Bible.
As a Christian, I believe that.
Where is that?
I can find it to you?
I don't have the scripture offthe tip of my.
You pull out the phone and usethe it's in Genesis.

Speaker 7 (12:54):
So you're quoting a Bible phrase you don't have
context for and you don't knowwhere in the Bible it is.
But that's like I'm confused.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
What does that even mean?
Tucker?
I'm a Christian.
I want to know what you'retalking about.
Where does my support forIsrael come from?
Number one, because biblicallywe are commanded to support
Israel.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
But number two Hold on, You're a senator and now
you're throwing out theology andI'm a Christian and I am
allowed to weigh in on this.
We are commanded, as Christians, to support the government of
Israel.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
We are commanded to support Israel, and we're told
those who bless, Israel will beblessed, but what hold on define
Israel?

Speaker 7 (13:30):
This is important.
Are you kidding this majorityChristian country Define?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Israel.
Do you not know what Israel is?
That would be the countryyou've asked like 49 questions
about.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Critical, critically important discussion.
And so let's we want to diveinto the scriptures here to
answer the question.
Tucker's doing, I think, aphenomenal job of pressing on
definition.
What do you mean?
Israel?
Because there are other placesin the world, like in America,
cities or towns named Israel.
Are we obligated, because theyhave the name Israel slapped

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over them, that we have tosupport them and that God's
going to bless those who blessthem and curse those who curse
them?
And so we don't want to.
You know, sort of hands off,don't curse those people, don't
disagree with them.
And so Tucker's asking theright question.
He said I'm a Christian, I havea right to ask this question.
You're referring to the Bibleand you're saying, primarily,
your support of the modern stateof Israel is because of the
Bible.
The word of God is giving youthis direction, that you must

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support the modern state ofIsrael.
And that seems like kind ofunconditionally right.
I mean that's kind of what'sbeing said there Bless them,
don't curse them, because if youwant to be blessed, then you
have to bless them.
If you want to be cursed, thenyou have to curse them.
And so Tucker's doing a finejob of saying what does that
mean?
What?
Who is Israel?
We're talking about thegovernment of Israel.

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Who are we talking about?
And I think you can all seethat it's visible.
The problem is that Ted Cruzhere can't answer the question
with a biblical definition.
It's just sort of like peanutbutter.
It's just Israel.
Who's Israel?
Well, those people over there.
You're talking about the modernstate of Israel, the government

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of Israel.
That's what the Bible isreferring to, and so I think it
is not wrong to point out thatTed Cruz is saying I base this
fundamentally on the Bible.
And then Ted Cruz says okay,but what does that mean?
What's the context of it?
And so here's the first mentionof it Genesis, chapter 12,

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beginning of the Bible.
It's about Abram, and it saysthis verse 1.
Now the Lord said to Abram Gofrom your country and your
kindred and your father's houseto the land that I will show you
and I will make of you a greatnation and I will bless you
that's Father Abraham and makeyour name great so that you will
be a blessing.

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I will bless those who blessyou, and him who dishonors you I
will curse, and in you, all thefamilies of the earth shall be
blessed.
That's the context.
This is, of course, part of theAbrahamic blessings.
This is the covenant God, thiswhole section.
After this, the covenant Godmakes with Abraham the promised

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seed.
You have Isaac and of courseeveryone knows the story and
it's led to so much conflict inhistory.
Abraham actually has two sonsfrom his own body, from the
flesh of the flesh, and Ishmaelis there and Isaac is there.
And so this whole story I meancentral to so much of what's
happening in the world today andthe wars and the conflict it's

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still brewing today.
But this particular section ofScripture in Genesis, chapter 12
, is clear and easy enough tounderstand who is being spoken
to by who, god, and what's thepromise being made I, who God,
and what's the promise beingmade.
And what's interesting is thatthe way that this is just
memorized by churches and bylegislators and those in power.

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It's memorized in such a waythat the text doesn't even
actually say specifically.
And then, when you press on it,okay, but what does the Bible
say about that promise and thatblessing?
And the Bible is actually veryspecific about it.
But let's listen to a littlebit more from Tucker and Ted
Cruz.

Speaker 7 (17:15):
That's what God is talking about the nation of
Israel.
Yes, so is that the currentborders, the current leadership.
He's talking about thepolitical entity called Israel.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
He's talking about the nation of Israel.
Yeah, nations exist and he'sdiscussing a nation.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
A nation was the people of Israel Is the nation
God's referring to in Genesis.
Is that the same as the countryrun by Benjamin Netanyahu right
now?

Speaker 3 (17:33):
Yes, yes, it is and, by the way, it's not run by
Benjamin Netanyahu as a dictator.

Speaker 7 (17:38):
It's a democratic country.
I'm not saying he's the primeminister right.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
So there you go.
Sorry, guys, we're going to tryalso not to get the flag in the
morning and everything elsefrom Plainscliff.
We'll do our best here not to betoo jumpy or jerky in this
episode today.
And so here's the issue.
You have a very influentialRepublican Senator, ted Cruz.
Again, he's done a lot of greatthings.
There's so many times I've hada lot of respect for the

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gentleman Ted Cruz.
Again, he's done a lot of greatthings.
There's so many times I've hada lot of respect for the
gentleman, but in this case nowyou have an example one example
of many examples of somebody whois in power, who is influencing
international relations and thepotential for war, who holds a
particular theological view.
And so what we often say and weeven have t-shirts of it at

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apologyofstudioscom in the storebad theology hurts people, and
I did a post last week on thisissue, quoting a Bible verse and
just saying bad theology hurtspeople, and in this case it can
hurt people with thermonuclearheat.
We're playing with fire when wetalk about the conflict
happening in the Middle East andwith Israel, and so we have to

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ask the question is that whatthe Bible is talking about?
Because that's what Ted Cruz isasked by Tucker.
So that Bible verse is aboutBenjamin Netanyahu and the
modern state of Israel?
And of course, tucker's answerto that is yes, and so he's
connecting the two.
Yes, and so he's connecting thetwo, and so you have influence

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from senators andrepresentatives in Congress.
That influence is going towardsthe president, and here's the
decisions that you should makeon this international conflict,
because the Bible says and sothat's what's being put into our
president's ear.
And so all we're saying is thisnot making any statements right
now about Israel and theirpre-emptive strikes and the
conflict with Iran a very longhistory of conflict with Iran.

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Not saying that.
Not saying that Israel doesn'thave a right to defend itself.
The modern state of Israelshouldn't be able to defend
itself.
Of course they do have thatright.
Not saying any of that?
That's not part of thediscussion here.
We're not throwing shade rightnow at Israel, because that's
not part of the discussion here.
We're not throwing shade rightnow at Israel, because that's
not part of the discussion.
We're asking the question, thesimple question who are these
promises for and what does theBible say about Israel and who

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are the true heirs anddescendants of Abraham and heirs
according to the promise?
What does the scripture say?
And I think you'll find aftertoday in the short episode today
, the bible is pretty expliciton this point, and so we really
shouldn't be getting this wrong.
You know there might be never beissues that christians can
disagree on, because you knowit's a small section of
scripture.
Maybe it's said it's like aone-off thing from the apostle

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paul, it's not discussedanywhere else and so, like you
know, how do you really managethat christians will come to
different conclusions on that.
Sometimes there's difficultthings, uh, that that Scripture
talks about, paul talks about,and Peter's response to that is
he says that there are somethings in Paul's writings that
are hard to understand, and hesays that unstable and untaught
people twist, and so that's apotential that can happen with

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hard things that are inScripture.
If you're unstable and you'reuntaught, you're going to mess
the whole thing up.
It doesn't mean it can't beunderstood.
It means it's hard tounderstand and you need to be
stable and taught, and so thisis not one of those issues,
because the Bible is actuallyreally, really clear on this.
The whole sections in the NewTestament are about this

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specific question on who istruly Israel, who's an heir
according to the promise.
But to buttress the point andexplain like why this is so
important, we just hadconversations.
You know you've been on socialmedia, you've seen the news.
You know I'm not instructinganybody on this.

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You've seen a lot of it.
We've had conversations takingplace over the last 14 days on
global war, nuclear war, worldWar III.
All those discussions have beenhappening.
Is Russia going to get involvedIf we do bomb Iran and support
Israel in that way and jointogether with them in this war
between the two of them?

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Is Russia going to get involved?
Is China going to get involved?
We got threatened by othersthat if we dared, you know, join
the fight with Israel, thisother nation was going to do
this to us.
I mean all these conversationsare happening over the last 14
days.
You've seen it, you know.
I mean it was intense for alittle bit there, like what
actually is going to happen.

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If you make the wrong move, itcan have a lot of consequences
long-term with blood and money,and so this is important.
This conversation really,really matters.
We all just felt how vitallyimportant this conversation is.
And so next point, just to giveyou an example of the support

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of the evangelical church onthis issue and just the popular
view.
This is Robert Jeffress, firstBaptist Dallas, and this was
let's see what time was.
This is the 9 am service, Ibelieve 9 am service and this is
in the first 21 minutes of theservice.

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He comes out and he speaks aboutthe conflict with Iran.

Speaker 6 (22:44):
And listen to what he says thank you, cliff, for your
music today.
Before we have our offer, toryprayer.
The remainder of the service.
I wanted to take just a fewmoments and say some words about
what we all witnessed lastnight in the strikes against the

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nuclear facilities in Iran.
There's been a lot of debate inour country, especially the
last few months, about whetherAmerica should support Israel
and to what extent should wesupport Israel.
You may have seen the clip thatwent viral of the debate
between Tucker Carlson andSenator Ted Cruz, and Tucker was

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ridiculing Ted Cruz for sayingthat as Christians, we were
mandated to support Israel.
Tucker said where is that inthe Bible?
And what does it mean tosupport Israel?
Does it mean we support thegovernment of Israel?
What does that mean?
Well, tucker, let me help youout.
Here's what it means to besupportive of Israel.

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To support Israel first of allmeans to support Israel's right
to exist.
The nation of Iran does notbelieve Israel has the right to
exist.
Iran has its stated objectiveto wipe Israel off the face of
the earth, and there are othercountries that believe that as
well.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
So that's, I think, to be fair.
It's a rather low bar in termsof like.
Why should we support themodern state of Israel?
It's a rather low bar in theirright to exist.
Now, who else would disagreewith that, except for, you know,
like just insane regimes andterrorist organizations?

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But wouldn't we say that aboutany nation?
We believe that all people arecreated in the wombs of their
mothers.
They're made in the image ofGod.
Every human life has value,dignity and worth.
They're created specially byGod.
They have meaning, they havepurpose.
And so wouldn't we say, just asa blanket across all of humanity

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and every nation, every ethnos?
Wouldn't we say that abouteverybody, that we support their
right to exist?
And if somebody wants to erasesomebody, that the the first
principle is the preservation ofhuman life, and we should say
they have a right to exist.
So it's interesting to say, interms of a response to the real

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substance being aimed at, of whois that promise about?
Who is israel?
That's the question tucker wasasking, and this doesn't get us
any closer to the answer.
By saying we're firstsupporting their right to exist,
I mean that should be a blanketright upon all of humanity,

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Generally speaking.
That's where we should all be.
So I thought this was notoverly helpful as an answer to
the question that Tucker wantedto know.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
But onward, but in doing so they are going against
God himself, unlike any othernation in the world.
God created the nation ofIsrael.
Israel was his idea, and hesaid Israel will endure forever.
No other nation, including theUnited States, has that promise.

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But Israel has that promise.
But Israel has that promise.
And second, to support Israelmeans to support Israel's right
to exist in her land.
You listen to the left, listento what's being taught on
college campuses.
They will have you believe thatthis land belongs to the

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Palestinians.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So, first thing thing , he makes the claim that Israel
by the way, I'm not denyingthat Israel had a very special
place and privilege in theredemptive plan of God.
There's no question about that.
Romans chapter, chapter 3acknowledges that Paul has to
address that issue because, lookit, you can't deny the fact
that when the Apostle Paul, apretty amazing Jew, a Pharisee

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as in law, trained underGamaliel of the tribe of
Benjamin, circumcised the eighthday, I mean he really has the
best in terms of his resume whenhe explains the gospel, as he
opens it up, he basically showsthat all humanity is under sin
and the Jew, just because theythink that they're physically
descended from Israel andthey've got the Bible in their

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hands, that they're good to go,he shows them, he indicts them.
In Romans chapter 2, he saysyou're not any better off than
the Gentiles in terms of thisissue of sin because, yeah, you
have the Torah, you have theTanakh, you have the Word of God
, the Law of God, but youviolate it Like you tell people
not to steal but you steal.
You tell people not to stealbut you steal.
You tell people not to do this,but you do the very same things

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.
And so Paul's summary of theconversation is Jew and Gentile
are both under sin, bothcondemned groups and both need
Jesus.
But he explains in Romans,chapter 3 what benefit is it to
being a Jew?
He says well, much in every way.
He says, first of all, theywere entrusted with the very
oracles of God, you know to thembelong.
And he starts just naming allthe blessings.

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And so, yeah, there's a greatbenefit to being a part of that
covenant people that God madespecific promises to, and
promises even for the future,for for the world.
And so we're not denying thefact that there's a unique,
special place in the redemptivestory for the particular people
of physical Israel under the oldcovenant.

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But he even he said here and Iforget the wording he used where
it's a unique nation that Godhimself created and, like God,
didn't do that with the othernations.
Well, that goes against whatthe inspired Jewish apostle said
about the nations in Acts 17,verse 26.

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And he made from one man everynation of mankind to live on all
the face of the earth, havingdetermined a lot of periods and
the boundaries of their dwellingplace.
And so maybe it's just the waythat he said.
It wasn't completely biblicallyaccurate, and I think in this
issue we have to be very precise.
It's important that we areprecise because that goes

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against biblical theology.
Like Israel was created as anation, god's not done that with
anybody else.
No, god actually creates allthe nations from one man and he
even determines their boundariesand whether they rise and fall,
and so that's all from God.
God is sovereign, he declaresthe end from the beginning, and
so he creates all nations.
And, yes, the specific physicaldescendants of Abraham did have

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a particular blessing andinherited blessings and promises
that were unique to that nation, the physical descendants of
Israel.
But the new covenant opens upthe story so much more as global
blessings for the families ofthe earth and that's the glory
of the gospel is just that point.

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It goes from this one uniquething to something so beautiful
and powerful that's going tobless the entire world, which is
precisely the promise toAbraham in Genesis, chapter 12.
That's how it opens up.
In you, all the nations of theearth will be blessed.
I mean, it's not like it'ssomething that dropped out of
the sky in the New Covenant andno one understood that.

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Oh man, all the families of theearth are going to be blessed
in this with Father Abraham, andthat the knowledge of God is
going to cover the earth likethe waters cover the sea, that
the families of the earth weregoing to be drawn up to God's
mountain, the nations were andwow, this is going to go global.
They knew that was the promiseof the kingdom of the Messiah.
This was going to now be global.

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I mean, abraham's descendantswould be as numerous as the
stars and like the sand on theseashore.
And so we have to be precisehere, biblically precise,
because the stakes are so high.
Bad theology hurts people.

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Here's more there's.
And just in the last 50 years,israel tried to come and steal
the land that belonged to thosepoor Palestinians.
Nothing could be further fromthe truth.
You look not just at the Bible,but look at secular history,
look at archaeology.
We know beyond a shadow of adoubt.

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We know that Israel occupiedthat land at least 3,000 years
ago.
It was theirs because God gaveit to them and he said this land
will be yours forever.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Now, we can't spend a ton of time today on this
particular point, but I thinkmost of what will be said from
the scriptures answers thatpoint.
I just want to point out thisspecific promise in Romans,
chapter 4.
The Apostle Paul seemed to viewthe promises to Israel and the
land and the scope of theseblessings in a different way and

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, I would say, in a morecomprehensive way than this
pastor does.
And so it says here in Romanschapterans, chapter 4.
It says for the uh.
In verse 13, it says for thepromise to abraham and his
offspring that he would be heirof the land.

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No, it says that he would beheir of the world.
Did not come through the law,but through the righteousness of
faith.
For if it is the rightadherence of the law, who are
they to be the heirs?
Faith is null and the promiseis void.
The promise is void but the lawbrings wrath.
But where there is no law,there is no transgression.
That is why it depends on faithin order that the promise may

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rest on grace and be guaranteedto all his offspring, not only
to the adherents of the law, butalso to the one who shares the
faith of Abraham, who is thefather of us all.
Who is Paul speaking to inRomans?
To the church.
The church is comprised ofJewish, physically Jewish

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believers and physically Gentilebelievers, and Paul's making
the point that the promises toAbraham that he would inherit
the world not just the land, theworld those promises are true,
those promises are fulfilled inJesus Christ.
And the Apostle Paul is sayingspecifically that Abraham,

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father Abraham, the one thesepromises came through, father
Abraham is the father of us all,jews and Gentiles.
Jews and Gentiles, we share thesame father.
Father Abraham is our Fatherand so it's critical for us to

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understand that and to get that.
And that is a distinct part ofChristian theology about Father
Abraham and the scope of thesepromises and the blessings, and
we're going to get more into itnow.
But I think that we have to goto the Bible to say what does
the Bible say about thesepromises and the blessings?
And we're going to get moreinto it now.
But I think that we have to goto the Bible to say what does
the Bible say about thesepromises?

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What does the Bible say aboutthe land?
What does the Bible say aboutthe world?
What does the Bible say aboutthe church?
Who is Israel?
And that was the question thatTucker was trying to get at.
Are we talking about the modernstate of Israel?
Are we talking about thegovernment of Israel?
Are of Israel?
Are we talking about where,like where the borders are today
or in the past?
What specifically are wetalking about?
And if we're going to quote theBible, if Ted Cruz and this

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pastor are going to quote theBible in terms of this
particular issue with the modernstate of Israel and build an
international policy off of it,we need to say, okay, great, I
agree with that.
The Bible should guide ourinternational policy.
In particular, warfare, likejust war theory, should be
something we all hold to.
But I think it's important forus to say if we're going to say

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it's because the Bible, senatorCruz, then we should go to the
Bible and say what does theBible say about Israel more?

Speaker 6 (34:48):
very clear on this those who oppose Israel are
always on the wrong side ofhistory and, most importantly,
they're on the wrong side of God, and thank God.
That's a bold, bold claim.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's a bold, bold claim, Because actually you
don't even have to look atmodern times.
And, by the way, this is notthrowing shade at Jewish people.
All of us are sinners, butthat's a bold statement to make
before a church.
That's an extraordinary claimto make, that if we oppose Jews,

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as he's using it, israel, thatwe're on the wrong side of
history and the wrong side ofGod.
Because I mean, isn't the Biblereplete with examples of Jewish
people, physical descendants ofIsrael, falling into sin and
then God bringing them back andcausing them to repent and
bringing them back, goddisciplining his people at times

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and even sending them intoexile?
I mean, that happens in theBible.
And so if you're going to makea blanket statement and say, you
know, look, if you opposeIsrael at any point, then you're
on the wrong side of God.
It's like, what about whenIsrael is in sin?
I mean, can't we say that Like?
I mean, is there somethingspecial about the people of

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Israel, physically, that theydon't sin?
I mean, the apostle Pauldoesn't agree with that.
He's an inspired apostle andhe's Jewish and he says, under
the inspiration of the HolySpirit no, they sin, we sin.
He's an inspired apostle andhe's Jewish and he says, under
the inspiration of the HolySpirit no, they sin, we sin.
He says I'm the chief ofsinners and they definitely sin.
And so I mean, we can't opposeIsrael, as he's using it as his

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general term and what he meansis the modern state of Israel,
because we're going to be on thewrong side of God.
What about if the modern stateof Israel does something that is
flatly contradictory to theword of the living God and
inspired scripture?
God has spoken and the modernstate of Israel violates the

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Torah?
They violate God's standards,his stipulated standards.
He says this is my will, here'smy prescriptive will, this is
what you ought to do.
And the modern state of Israelsays, no, we're not going to do
that.
And then they violate God'sstandards, like say even, for
example and I'm not saying thisabout the Iran conflict, I'm
just saying in general we'regoing to take this pastor's

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principle here, not oppose them,or we're going to be on the
wrong side of God If they make amove that is against the Torah,
the law of God, they do that.
Are we still supposed to supportthem, or are we going to be on
the wrong side of God if wedon't?
I mean, I don't look, I haven'tactually been to Israel myself
physically, and I do know,however, and this can be

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demonstrated that the modernstate of Israel is a far, far
far cry from Israel in the pastin times of great faithfulness.
I mean you're talking aboutissues of homosexuality and
sexual perversion.
I mean many physically Jewishpeople today in the modern state

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of Israel are more culturalJews and believe in just more
traditional Jews and not evennecessarily Orthodox or
ultra-Orthodox, and they may noteven accept the words of the
Torah as the actual inspireddivine words of God.
And so we have to be veryspecific because the stakes are

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so great, because if we're beingtold by an evangelical pastor
that to oppose Israel at anypoint is to be on the wrong side
of God himself, I think we needto take that seriously and say
that has dramatic consequencesfor the future in international
policy.

Speaker 6 (38:32):
But in a moment.
Here you'll see why it matterseven more.
We finally have a president whounderstands that dream and
Donald Trump.
You know, I was watching thenews this week and I saw the
president getting hit from allsides, including of his own

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coalition, about Israel.
And so Thursday I texted himand I just reminded him that
there are millions of Christianswho pray for him every day.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I said, mr President, the vast majority of those
Christians are going to trustyou and support whatever
decision you make, and lastnight we saw President Trump
make the right decision.
So the reason I wanted to playthrough that for a moment is
just to show how important it isto get this particular thing

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right, and again before there'stoo much resistance.
I'm not making any claims rightnow about Israel, the modern
state of Israel's right todefend itself in its own
sovereignty and to engage injust warfare.
Not saying the Americangovernment can't say we support
that nation, that nation's anally of ours, about any nation.

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Not saying that at all.
What I am saying is that whenyou have an evangelical pastor
from the pulpit on the Lord'sDay spending time talking about
this and that he is personallytext messaging the president's
cell phone saying I support youin this and really pushing the
president towards decisionsrelated to Israel that are based

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upon bad theology, technicallybad ecclesiology, who are the
called-out ones?
Who are they?
This is important.
What is popular in modernevangelicalism in the West

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regarding perspectives on Israel, the modern state of Israel?
And again, I want Jews to cometo Jesus, I want them to know
Jesus Christ, have faith inJesus Christ.
We have to have love for theJewish people like we have for
all people.
Nobody should say this isreally bad theology and so let's
start hating on the Jews, beingnasty to the Jews.

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I know there are many peoplewho today are clearly
anti-Semitic and they just arefilled with hostility and hatred
towards the Jewish people, andso that's all sin, that's all
wrong.
We don't want to fall off thatcliff and fall into that pit and
into that evil.
No question about that fall offthat cliff and fall into that
pit and into that evil.
No question about that.

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What I am saying, though, as aminister of the gospel, is that
this issue matters and hasconsequences.
It has consequences potentiallyfor my own children, my
grandchildren and all of ourmoney, and so there's a lot of
blood and consequence in thisdiscussion.
And, again, when you have anevangelical pastor spending time
on the Lord's Day to talk aboutthis issue and he's contacting

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the president and encouraginghim, I think we need to as
Christians, be able to answerthis biblically.
That's the most important thingAnswer this biblically.
Who is Israel?
Who is an heir of all of thesepromises?
And so a couple Bible verseshere.
And Genesis 12 isn't the onlyplace in Scripture that talks

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about the blessing and thecursing.
You have an example in Numbers24, verse 9.
It says he crouches, he liesdown like a lion or a lioness
who dares to rouse him.
Those who bless you will beblessed and those who curse you
will be cursed.
And, of course, you alreadyhave the Genesis 12, verse 3

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section of Scripture.
Okay, so let's get into theBible here and talk about the
issue, because what Tucker wasgetting at with Ted Cruz is the
same issue that you'd want toget at with the pastor we just
heard from from Dallas and manypastors across evangelicalism in
the West.

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And what does the Bible sayabout who is an heir according
to the promise, who are the sonsand daughters of Abraham?
What does the Bible say aboutbeing Jewish, truly Jewish?
And it's easy to see clearly InRomans, chapter 2, in verse 28,
.
The Apostle Paul is dealingwith the issue of who is truly

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Jewish, who's an heir accordingto the promise, who's a true Jew
, not just someone who saysthey're Jewish or is physically
descended from Israel.
Who's truly Jewish?
And in Romans 2.28, theinspired apostle, jewish apostle
, says this no, a man is a Jewbecause he is one inwardly and

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circumcision is a matter of theheart, by the Spirit, not by the
written code.
Such a man's praise did notcome from men, but from God.
A man is not a Jew because heis one outwardly, nor is
circumcision only outward andphysical.
This is right in the middle ofthe discussion of Jew-Gentile
distinctions and relations, andit's moving right into Romans,
chapter 3, where the ApostlePaul then goes in to say all of

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sin, jew and Gentile.
There is none righteous, no,not one, none who seeks for God.
Their throats are open graves,the poison of asps is under
their lips.
Their feet are swift to shedblood.
There is no fear of God beforetheir eyes.
Who's he talking about?
Who's he talking about?
He's talking about Jews andGentiles.
The whole human race are allfallen under sin.

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The Apostle Paul makes it clearAll have sinned and fall short
of the glory of God.
That's the beginning, the start, your engines, of the
explanation of the gospel.
We talk about who God is, wetalk about who we are.
We talk about our fallennessand sin, our abiding against God
, and that leads us to the cross, to the Jewish Messiah who died

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for the sins of his people onthe cross, and so this is one of
the most important discussionsand there can't be any confusion
about that.
Listen, when you say that thetrue Israel of God is comprised
of both Jews and Gentiles intoone people of God, you're not
denying that there are peoplewho today say they are

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physically descended from Israel.
You're not denying that thereare people who today say they
are physically descended fromIsrael.
You're not denying that ethnos.
You're not saying that.
You're saying, however, thatthe Bible has a pretty specific
description and definition ofwho the Israel of God truly is,
who is truly an heir accordingto the promise.
And in the Apostle Paul's day hesays as a Jew, physically, who

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is in Christ.
He says these people over herewho don't know Jesus, though
they are physically descendedfrom Israel.
You can use that category.
You can say that about them.
They are not Jewish truly.
They are outwardly appearing asJewish or as Israel, but they

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actually are not truly Israel,because you see the circumcision
they think that counts is theone that's outward.
They think this is all aboutoutward physical descent, all
that.
That's what they think.
And the Apostle Paul, who isJewish himself physically, says
that's not what makes you a Jew.
This is an inward thing by theSpirit of God, not an outward

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thing.
You must be circumcised in theheart like the physical heart,
not even the physical heart.
That's not what Jewish peoplemeant by the heart, not a
physical thing.
When they talk about the heartin Scripture, they're not
talking about the physical thingof the heart.
They're talking about somethingthat is much deeper, more
transcendent than that.
And the Apostle Paul starts theexplanation of the Gospel
talking about Jew and Gentiledistinction, making it very

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clear no one is a Jew who ismerely one outwardly.
Nor is circumcision outward andphysical to which the
physically descended fromAbraham Jew of his day could
have said to him no, paul,that's not true.
I actually am ethnically Jewish.

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I actually am physicallydescended from Father Abraham.
It's not true that I'm not aphysical Jew or outwardly Jew.
I mean, I even have thecircumcision.
Look, I even follow the law.
At that point I've got thecircumcision itself.
And the Apostle Paul says noneof that is relevant in the new
covenant and what God has doneby his spirit here.

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All the promises are fulfilledin Jesus.
Everything we were expectingwith Mashiach has occurred now,
and he's making the point thereis a true Israel and there is a
pseudo Israel, a false Israel, atrue Jew and a false Jew.
He is the one who gives thecategory outward and inward,
what is true and real and whatis not, and that's how he starts

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to explain the gospel.
Now there's more on this If yougo to your Bibles into
Galatians, chapter 3, oh man,there's so much in Galatians.
So just a quick background onthe letter of Paul to the church
in Galatia.
In Galatians you have a verytense situation where the
Apostle Paul opens up inGalatians 1.

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I mean, right after thegreeting.
It's like I am amazed.
I mean, imagine coming tochurch in Galatia, you've got a
letter from the Apostle Paul.
This inspired apostle writes aletter and it's being read
before the congregation.
You've got Jews and Gentilesright and you know, you've all
had this tense situation nowwith, like you know, should we

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circumcise the Gentile convertsso they can become Jewish first
and then they're really part ofthe body of Christ?
You know, jesus is Messiah andall of that.
He died and rose again.
None of that's being denied.
We've got these Gentilebelievers not circumcised.
Should we get them circumcisedso they become Jewish first, and
part of that covenant thing,and then they're good to go?
You've got the apostle Peterbeing referenced there in terms

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of something he did, where heslipped and he was making it
appear that he was denying thegospel and its benefits.
But Paul opens up, freaking out.
I'm amazed that you're soquickly deserting him.
Who called you, by the grace ofChrist, to another gospel,
which is really not another?
And what's the issue?
The issue is Jew-Gentile issueswho's allowed at the table,

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who's truly Jewish, and shouldwe circumcise these Gentile
converts, all that stuff?
So in Galatians, chapter 3, thisis what the Apostle Paul says
and it's directly related tothis issue.
He says O foolish Galatians,who has bewitched you?
It was before your eyes thatJesus Christ was publicly
portrayed as crucified.
Let me ask you only this Didyou receive the Spirit by works

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of the law or by hearing withfaith?
Are you so foolish?
Having begun by the Spirit, areyou now being perfected by the
flesh?
Did you suffer so many thingsin vain?
If indeed it was in vain, doeshe who supplies the Spirit to
you and works miracles among you.
Do so by works of the law or byhearing with faith, and here's
the quotation.

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Just as Abraham quote from theOld Testament believed God and
it was counted to him asrighteousness.
That's the question.
How was Father Abraham, thefather of us?
all how was he justified beforeGod?
But was it by the law?
I mean it's hundreds of yearsbefore law was given and it was

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before he even offered his sonIsaac on the altar.
I mean so this is just Abrahamwith nothing.
And it says Abraham believedGod and it was credited to him
as righteousness.
That's what's quoted, not justhere by Paul, but in Romans as
well.
Here it is Ready.
So Abraham believes, he justhas faith.
He believes God, and Godjustifies him, declares him

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righteous, all right, he's ourfather.
So if you're going to be achild of Abraham, a true Jew, a
true descendant of Abraham, ifyou're an heir according to the
promise, you have to be of thesame faith as Abraham.
In other words, it's not faithand law and do this and
circumcision.
He says how is Father Abrahammade right with God?
How is he justified?
Through faith he believed.

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Okay, that's the whole pointthere Paul's making when he's
dealing with the circumcisionissue.
Now watch here's where it getsright to the point on this issue
.
It says know this verse 7 ofGalatians 3, that it is those of
faith who are the sons ofAbraham.
Now, by the way, in the context, who are the ones being talked

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about?
Who are of faith?
Jewish believers and Gentilebelievers?
That is the context.
That's the point Paul's tryingto make to these people who are
saying you've got to circumcise,at least keep that one part of
the law, at least circumcisethem.
That's really important for usas Jewish people.

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And Paul says know, then, thatit is those of faith who are the
sons of Abraham and thescripture, foreseeing that God
would justify the Gentiles byfaith, preached the gospel
beforehand to Abraham sayinghere it is in you shall all the
nations be blessed.

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What is he quoting from Genesis, chapter 12.
The same thing being referencedby Ted Cruz and by Jeffress and
evangelical pastors everywhere.
Paul's quoting in you shall allthe nations be blessed.
So then, those who are of faithare blessed along with Abraham,

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the man of faith.
So, according to the inspiredJewish apostle, if you are of
the faith of Jesus Christ, youhave faith in Jesus Christ,
whether you are Jew, physicallydescended, or Gentile, not a
part of that.
He says, you are now blessedalong with Abraham.

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You are those who are blessedwith him.
You are part of the nations whoare already blessed by him and
you are a son of Abraham.
And so when someone says, shouldwe stand with Israel?
My answer first yes and noIsrael, my answer first, yes and

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no.
Yes, depending on who you say.
Israel is, who's an heiraccording to the promise,
according to the premier Jewishapostle who wrote much of the
New Testament, it says those whoare of faith, who are the sons
of Abraham.
And so should we stand withIsrael, sons of Abraham?
And so should we stand withIsrael?
Well, yes, sure, absolutely.
I mean there's caveats to that,like if it was a Christian sin,

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we should stand against themand say stop sinning against God
.
We should always leave room forrebuke and confrontation.
Please, let's make sure we havethat caveat always.
But someone says will you standwith Israel?
I'm going to say you mean thatpeople of God, the body of
believers, the true people ofGod, the true Israel that are
comprised of both physicaldescendants, jews and Gentiles,

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who are all equally sons ofFather Abraham, equally heirs
according to that promise.
I mean brothers and sisters.
It seems to me this is sosimple.
This is so Christianity 101.
How are we getting this wrong?
And again, bad theology hurtspeople.

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In this case, we talk aboutnations in conflict and nations
with thermonuclear weapons.
We're talking aboutconsequences that we've never
even, we can't even truly fathom.
All we can do is really guessand speculate you know, just
probably seen a lot of that lastcouple days as well like in
terms of how far away do I needto be from nuclear blast?
I mean those are theconversations kicked around on

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tick tock and youtube andinstagram and everything else
and facebook.
I mean those are theconversations.
I mean how far away exactly doyou need to be from nuclear
blast 50 miles, adequate, or 75or 100 miles, and how long
exactly does that fall out andthe consequence from the fallout
last?
These are the conversationsthat are happening.
And again, I'm not makingcommentary right now, brothers
and sisters, on purpose, on thepreemptive strike that Israel,

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the modern state of Israel, made.
I'm being very clear on that.
I'm not making any comments onthat.
I'm not making any substantialcomments on that.
That's a discussion for adifferent episode.
We could talk about just wartheory and all of that.
What I am talking about is thecurrent underneath the nudge to
risk nuclear war or conflict, inwar with other nations, that

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current being well, because Godsays and if you oppose the
modern state of Israel, thenyou're opposing God.
That's what the man said.
And you read the New Testament.
I mean, look, you could readthe first six or seven books of
the New Testament and thenlisten to what that pastor said

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in Dallas and go, yeah, I don'tsee it.
That seems foreign to whatJesus said, to what the Apostle
Paul said.
That seems completely foreignand so I don't get it.
I don't understand how that'sbeing used as a justification
and so next, more Again, thiswill be a text-heavy and

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video-heavy show today.
So here is an interesting point,because the Apostle Paul here
in Romans 9, we've already beenin Romans in Romans chapter 9,
now he does somethinginteresting because people will
often say oh, so you think Jewsand Gentiles in one body is

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Israel, so you believe inreplacement theology?
The person who says that,honestly, you're demonstrating
your ignorance.
I don't want to be nasty to you, mean to you when you talk
about a historic Christiandoctrine and belief.
That is just what the ApostlePaul said here and what
Christians have believed manytimes in many places that Jews

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and Gentiles are part of thatsame tree, israel.
It is the true people of God,the true Israel.
We're all part of this.
When you say that and someonesays, well, that's replacement
theology, you're demonstratingyour abject ignorance and you
haven't studied the issuesbecause we're saying no, there
has always been a true people ofGod.
There is specificallyreferenced an Israel tree and

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Gentiles getting grafted inother branches, cut off and all
that.
But you have the people of God,the true people of God, and
that's what Paul's point thereis.
Jews and Gentiles are part ofthis one true people of God, the
Israel of God.
When you say that people sayreplacement theology and you're
not acknowledging, physicaldescendants of Israel are
referenced in Scripture.

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There's a category for that, noquestion about that.
There's a category for thosewho were physically descended
from Israel and were called Jews.
But Paul makes a point.
There's a layer deeper and moremeaningful that God cares most
about here, and you should caremost about here of who's
inwardly a Jew, who's truly aJew, who's truly Israel.
But here's a point where theApostle Paul gives the category

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distinctions and then gives afull explanation.
Romans, chapter 9,.
He says this I'm speaking thetruth in Christ, I'm not lying.
My conscience bears witness inthe Holy Spirit that I have
great sorrow and unceasinganguish in my heart, for I could
wish that I myself wereaccursed and cut off from Christ
for the sake of my brothers,were accursed and cut off from

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Christ for the sake of mybrothers.
That's deep love.
Brothers and sisters, noquestion, my kinsmen, according
to the flesh, they areIsraelites and to them belong
the adoption, the glory, thecovenants, the giving of the law
, the worship and the promises.
So like, what are the benefitsof being part of that?
Well, all of that, it'sincredible Gifts, blessings.
To be entrusted with the veryWord of God to protect that, to
preserve that, to pass thatalong.

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That's huge.
To them belong the patriarchs,and from their race, according
to the flesh, is the Messiah,who is God over all, blessed
forever.
There's reference, by the way,there to the deity of Christ.
Thank you for that, paul.
Here it is Watch, but.
But so he gives the categorydistinction.
Here's of the flesh, here's theblessings, all of that.

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He's already said before.
Who is a true Jew?
He's already said that inRomans, chapter 2.
Who is a true Jew?
Who's an heir, according tothese promises We've already
done all that.
And now he's talking aboutpeople physically descended, who
have inherited these blessingsand these promises, he says.

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But it is not as though theword of God has failed.
And here it is, for not all whoare descended from Israel
belong to Israel and not all arechildren of Abraham, because
they are his offspring.
But through but through Isaacshall your offspring be named.
This means that it is not.
It is not.
It is not the children of theflesh who are the children of

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God, but the children of thepromise are counted as offspring
.
Now Tucker at one point hadasked Ted Cruz like who are they
?
We're just supposed to blessthem and not curse them and
support them.
Who are they?
Like the people there.
That's what God is talkingabout when he says Israel.
He's talking about today, thepeople in the modern state of

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Israel, like within the bordersof Israel now, like the
government of Israel, that wholemodern state of Israel.
That's what God is talkingabout.
That's who truly Israel is.
And Ted Cruz said, yes, it'sthem.
It's them over there right now.
Really so.
Someone today who is anultra-Orthodox Jew and you can

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go look at these videos foryourself who says that Jesus
Christ is burning an excrementin hell who says that Jesus
Christ was a false messiah, thathe's a false prophet.
They despise Jesus.
They spit on Christians who arewalking through the streets of
Jerusalem.
That person is Israel accordingto the Bible.

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Let that hang for a second.
That person is Israel, paulsaid.
He said, for not all who aredescended from Israel belong to
Israel.
Ted Cruz and Jeffress said no,actually they are.

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Why?
Because they're physicallydescended from Israel.
These are the physicaldescendants in the land today.
And so when Tucker says, well,who's Israel them?
Ted Cruz says yeah, them themover there in the land, not
according to the inspiredapostle.
Who's Jewish, by the way?
He says, for not all who aredescended from Israel belong to

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Israel and not all are childrenof.
This is to make the point.

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We have Father Abraham, thepromises to Abraham and to his
descendants to inherit theentire world.
If you are a child of Abraham,if you're true Israel, if you're
truly a Jew, inwardly you areof the faith of Abraham, and
that is something that both Jewsand Gentiles Jews and Gentiles
do.
They have faith in Jesus.
They are the true Israel of God.

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They have faith in Jesus.
They are the true Israel of God.
They are the true Jew inwardly.
I mean, you can't get moreexplicit than that, for not all
who are descended from Israelbelong to Israel.
So when someone says blanketstatement bless and don't curse,
you'll be blessed or you willbe cursed.
Okay, who does this have tohappen with?
Those people over there in theland right now, those ones, the

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ones who desp in the land rightnow, those ones, the ones who
despise the name of Christ.
Many of them, the vast majorityof them, do not turn to Christ
in faith.
We want them to.
We need more missionaries andevangelists to go to them and to
bring the good news that manyJewish believers physically
Jewish people today have come tofaith in Jesus Christ and are
believers in Jesus Christ.
But it is all of us who areAbraham's descendants by faith

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and we are Jews inwardly.
We are the true circumcisionand so, jew and Gentile, we
should be able to say shalom,peace with God, because we are
heirs according to the promise,through that promise, through
Isaac, and it's not a physicalthing.
And so we can't just generallysay here's the promises to
Israel and that goes to themright now.

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Something that needs to bepointed out and this listen,
this is not intended to bescandalous or controversial.
We just have to say it as it is, as Christians Listen.
Not saying this, not sayingthis endangers people's souls.
Not saying this endangerspeople's souls.
Not saying this endangerspeople's souls.
So I'm going to say this rightnow, not to be controversial.
I'm going to say it becauseit's true and if we don't do it,

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we're losing our ability toevangelize and that is this.
The vast majorities of the Jewssince the days of Jesus, his
life, death, resurrection andascension.
The vast majority of Jewsthroughout history have gone to
hell because they don't havefaith in Jesus.

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Jesus said I am the way, thetruth and the life.
No man comes to the Father.
But by me, interesting, yearsago I was oh man, many years ago
goodness gracious, how manyyears ago was this, I don't know
, 20 years ago or something likethat the great church.

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It was such a good church, itwas really a solid church,
reformed church, great in everyway.
But they held to thisperspective about Israel and we
were in the membership class.
And in the membership classwe're going over all the verses
of predestination and callingand justification and chosen
people of God and everythingelse.
And so of course, that is justchocked full of Scripture, you

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know God's choice and sovereignwill and salvation and
predestination and all thatstuff.
And so somehow the question andI didn't bring it up, all right
, I didn't do it, I didn't bringit up Somehow the question of
like, okay, so like thenChristians are God's chosen?
And of course the answer wasyes, obviously, abraham's
descendants, predestined by God,chosen by God, called by God,
justified by God and so at thesame time, this conversation is

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happening.
That is all about thatconversation about.
You know, we're chosen by God,we're his children.
There was still an understandingwith some in the room that this
particular church holds to thisperspective of the modern state
of Israel, that those are thechosen people of God.
They're the chosen people ofGod.
And so somebody rightly askedthe question.

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They were like well, if all thechosen people of God are all in
this whole predestination thingand chosen thing, God choosing
them by his grace, you know, ifChristians are heirs of that and
part of that, well, you saidthe Jews are the chosen people
of God.
And he was like, well, yes,they are, and then they go.

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Well, if they're chosen by God,aren't they saved?
And then there's like thisawkward silence for like 15
seconds where the guy was tryingto like bring these two
conflicting things together inhis own mind like the jews are
the chosen people of god todayin the land over there.
And, uh, you know, aschristians we're obviously
chosen by god and saved.
And so the guy was like tryingto put together his head and
then the person said this weird,they're obviously new to the
faith they go.

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Does that mean there's like adifferent level of heaven or a
place in heaven for, like Jewswho don't believe in Jesus
because they are chosen by God?
And the guy actually said Inever thought about that.
Maybe there is.
Maybe there is a differentplace in heaven for those who
are chosen by God, jews whoreject Jesus as Messiah.

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They're like not being able tobring that together.
If you're chosen by God, you'regoing to be saved.
He chooses you, he saves you.
If they're the chosen people ofGod, they're rejecting Christ,
but they're still the chosenpeople of God.
Doesn't that mean they're goingto be in heaven?

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
one day.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
It was just an interesting way to see those
things kind of conflict.
But we need to say the vastmajority of Jews throughout
church history have gone to hell.
And I don't relish, I'm notexcited about that.
That's a horrific thing.
That means that we have toraise up missionaries and
evangelists to reach them.
So that's in no way somethingthat's a happy thought.
That's a sad, sad view ofchurch history and there's no

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question in church historythere's many examples of sin and
abuse from the church to theJews.
We shouldn't give the church apass when she fails in her
duties to obey and honor Christ,no question about that.
But we need to admit the truthin terms of what does the Bible
say about how a person is saved?
And that's through Christ andin Christ and only Christ,

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through faith in him.
And so today, I would say today, same thing.
Today, I would say the majorityof people who call themselves
Jews today in the modern stateof Israel are, as of right now
and I don't want this to be true, 30 seconds from now are going
to hell.
And that's only because theBible.

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You can only say that becausethe Bible clearly teaches about
how salvation is possible and itis only a the Bible.
You can only say that becausethe Bible clearly teaches about
how salvation is possible and itis only a gift of God's grace
and it is only through faith inJesus Christ.
What God has accomplished inthe life, death and resurrection
of the Lord Jesus Christ, it isonly through faith in him.
That is it, and so I think it'simportant for us to say that

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out loud, to say it out loud.
Now, of course, the next sectionto point to in terms of the
question of who is true Israel Ithink it's answered already
clearly at this point but ofcourse, is the discussion of
Romans 11.
We could do more on this, butRomans 11 is a critically

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important one.
11 through 31.
Paul says through 31.
Paul says so.
I ask did they stumble in orderthat they might fall?
He's talking about who?
Physical Jews, descendants ofIsrael?
He says by no means.
Rather, through their trespass,salvation has come to the
Gentiles so as to make Israeljealous.
So he still has the category ofwho is true Israel.
He's already said that inRomans 9.
Who is true Israel?

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Who is not true Israel?
But he also has a categorygenerally when we say Israel,
those physical descendants overthere.
He says so as to make Israeljealous.
Now, if their trespass meansriches for the world and if
their failure means riches forthe Gentiles, how much more will
their full inclusion mean?
Now I'm speaking to you,gentiles, and as much then as
I'm an apostle to the Gentiles,I magnify my ministry in order

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somehow to make my fellow Jewsjealous and thus save some of
them.
For if their rejection meansthe reconciliation of the world,
what will their acceptance mean?
But life from the dead?
He's excited about that idea.
If the dill offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole
lump, and if the root is holy,so are the branches.
But if some of the brancheswere broken off and you,

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although a wild olive shoot,were grafted in?
See, here's the whole thing.
And people talk aboutreplacement theology.
What is Paul saying here?
He says all right, here's thisnourishing root of the olive
tree.
The olive tree is there.
All right, here's the olivetree.
That's the olive tree.

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You, although a wild oliveshoot, were grafted in among the
others, and now sharing thenourishing root.
So what's that mean?
Oh, there's this true Israel,this true olive tree, true
Israel, this true olive tree,and you, the wild olive have
been grafted in.

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And he says this do not bearrogant toward the branches.
If you are, remember it is notyou who support the root, but
the root that supports you.
Then you will say branches arebroken off, so not even grafted
in.
That's true, they were brokenoff because of their unbelief,
but you stand fast through faith.
So do not become proud, butfear, for if God did not spare

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the natural branches, neitherwill he spare you.
Note, then, the kindness andthe severity of God, severity
towards those who have fallen,but God's kindness towards you,
provided you continue in hiskindness, otherwise you too will
be cut off.
Now my point here is when wetalk about how Scripture
describes the people of God andthis tree.

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It describes it as this onetree clearly containing Jews and
Gentiles, and Paul makingremarks on the fact that you've
been grafted into this thing ofthe people of God, the true
Israel of God.
He's already had thisdiscussion, but it's Jews and
Gentiles who are part of thatblessing, not simply physical
descendants of Abraham, and socritically important discussion

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to have.
I do want to also point out atinteresting in Galatians,
chapter 6.
If you guys just go readGalatians, read, of course I
already did chapter 3, but readGalatians all the way through.
It's six chapters, super easyto get through.
It's interesting that theApostle Paul summarizes the
whole entire letter in this way.

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He says this in verse 13 ofchapter 6.
He says the Old Creation isdone away with.

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According to the Apostle Paul,the old system, all of that is
done away with.
We're a new creation in ChristJesus.
He's like that stuff thatdoesn't matter anymore.
That's not defining the peopleof God.
We are a new creation and hesays this.
And as for all who walk by thisrule, peace and mercy be upon
them and upon the Israel of God.

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It is interesting that he chosethat language in the discussion
about who's truly a Jew.
Is it circumcision?
How are we doing this?
Who's part of the true peopleof God?
I love that he ended it in thatway.
But it is also important topoint out in terms of who are
the chosen people of God,because people would say the
Jews are the chosen people ofGod.
I would say those who havefaith in Jesus Christ are the

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chosen people of God.
Somebody who rejects JesusChrist as Savior and Lord is not
to be identified as the chosenpeople of God.
I mean, if somebody hates Jesusjust is repulsed by the gospel
message, they find it offensive,they will not come to Christ in
faith.
That person is identifying thefact that they are not, at least

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at the moment, in terms ofidentification, the chosen
people of God.
Ephesians, chapter 1, verse 4,talks about Christians being
chosen by God.
We are the chosen people of GodIn 1 Peter, chapter 2, verse 9,
.
We are the chosen people of GodIn 1 Peter 2, verse 9, the
Apostle Peter refers to thepeople of God, the church, with

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the language that was used ofIsrael in the Old Testament.
That is critical Because again,tucker was asking Ted Cruz
who's Israel?
Those promises mean the peopleover there today.
Right, those people, those arethe Israel of God, those are the

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true Jews.
1 Peter 2, verse 9, inspiredapostle says this he said but
you are a chosen race, a royalpriesthood, a holy nation, a
people for his own possession,that you may proclaim the
excellencies of him who calledyou out of darkness into his
marvelous light.
That's 1 Peter, 2, verse 9,.
Everybody, that is the apostlePeter, by the way, also a Jew,

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physically Descended from Israel.
Okay, no problems there, but heis now taking the language of
Israel in the Old Testamentright, all that language of a
chosen nation and a royalpriesthood, and chose all that,
and who's he applying it toChristians?

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The church which, by the way,is comprised of Jews and
Gentiles.
So all those designations, allthose promises, all of that is
being now given to thisbeautiful display of the people
of God that contains both Jewsand Gentiles, heirs according to

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the promise, children ofAbraham.
I think that's important and Ithink we should care about that,
because, again, people areusing this discussion to affect
international policy and evenwhether or not we should go to
war.
Because I saw it, and I knowyou probably saw it too.
I saw people excited about thepossibility of World War III and

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saying we don't need to worryabout these other nations if
they get involved.
We don't even need to worryabout nuclear weapons and
bloodshed and the military lines.
We don't even worry about that.
All we need to know is that ifwe enter into this conflict,
god's going to bless us as anation, because God blesses
those who bless.
Israel curses those who cursethem.
So I want to be on the side ofblessing and so forget about my

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children, their safety, theirlives, forget about the
potential for famine and cuttingoff oil and supply chain issues
and all the rest, trillions ofdollars of debt given to my
grandchildren.
Forget about all that becauseit doesn't matter, because the
blanket thing is bless thosepeople over there, the ones over
there who reject Jesus.

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I'm not saying that weshouldn't support Israel when it
honors God, the modern state ofIsrael, when they are right to
defend themselves when they'reacting righteously, according to
God's standards.
Of course, we should always, asa nation, say, hey, thank God
for that that person's rightover there, not saying that, I'm
saying.
But when you have a policy andyou have a belief system that
says that we can just forget thefuture and concern for our

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children and grandchildren andour neighbors' lives, because we
have this peculiarunderstanding of this Bible
verse that says bless thosepeople in that land right now,
no matter what they're doingwrong, and again, I'm not making
any commentary today on justwar theory and what was done
wrong or right.
I'm talking about the principleissues in the belief system that
is feeding so much of this.

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Maybe it matters to me a lot.
I know it matters to.
I hate to sound like an oldperson, but I'm starting to
sound like an old person.
I'm not.
Maybe it matters so much to mebecause I've got seven children
and I've got six livinggrandchildren.
Maybe that's why it matters alot to me I mean it mattered to

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me before theologically and ofcourse I cared about that.
It mattered.
But it really matters to me.
My son is 17 years old and myolder son is in the military.
He's his mid-20s and you know.
So I think about these thingsas a father with these boys that
I love and how these thingsaffect them, and my oldest son
has three little boys of his own.

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I've got grandchildren, I'vegot little twin girls that are,
you know, not even two years oldyet.
So I think about these thingsand I hear these guys with bad
theology that hurts people and Ilook at my kids and I go you're
going to potentially mess withmy ability to love and care for
my own children.
This bad theology hasconsequences on my family, my

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boys, my girls, my grandchildren.
It really really matters.
It's going to affect myneighbors, my grandchildren.
It really really matters.
It's going to affect myneighbors.
I would say that is for me avery personal and practical
reason why this matter so much.
But it also primarily matterstheologically and we need to get

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the Bible right and ourinterpretation of these things
right because it matters.
All right next.
So that moved us into.
I'm just going to do two partshere, just two quick things that
moved us into a pretty epicmoment for the history in the
history of the United States ofAmerica.
I'm not going to makecommentary today.
I think it would be better todo a full show.
Obviously this show was alreadylong.

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I think it would be better to doa full show on just war theory
and talk about what happenedwith Israel and Iran and then
our involvement.
I want to do that later ratherthan today because we've already
sort of emphasized the mainpoint.
But no matter what yourperspective is on what, we ended
up doing as a nation in Iranand dropping the Moabs and first

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time in use in like that, wetested them, of course, but
first time actually in use in inconflict and we drop those.
No matter what your belief isabout Israel and Iran and us,
what happens, you've got toadmit what took place was pretty
epic.
It was pretty awesome to beable to get into Iran's airspace

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, to drop our bombs and then toget out of there before
apparently anything was evenshot at us.
But no aircraft were mobilizedand sent up to us, and so I'm
just going to play as many I wastalking about today and some
people were like I didn't evensee that.
You should see it because ithappened and it's pretty epic
for our nation to be able to say, hey, praise God that as a

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nation we have that kind oftechnology.
Here is them speaking on thedetails of the strike, so I want
you guys to hear it, just incase you haven't.

Speaker 8 (01:20:27):
Doing our nation's work and nice to see everybody
on this early Sunday morningnation's work.
And nice to see everybody onthis early Sunday morning.
Last night, on the President'sorders, us Central Command,
under the command of GeneralEric Carilla, executed Operation
Midnight Hammer, a deliberateand precise strike against three
Iranian nuclear facilities.
This was a complex andhigh-risk mission carried out

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with exceptional skill anddiscipline by our joint force.
I want to thank every servicemember, planner, operator that
made this mission possible.
Their actions reflect thehighest standards of the United
States Armed Forces.
This operation was designed toseverely degrade Iran's nuclear
weapons infrastructure.
It was planned and executedacross multiple domains and

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theaters with coordination thatreflects our ability to project
power globally with speed andprecision at the time and place
of our nation's choosing.
This was a highly classifiedmission, with very few people in
Washington knowing the timingor nature of this plan.
I'll refer you to the graphicon the side as I walk you

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through some of the operationaldetails.
At midnight Friday into Saturdaymorning, a large B-2 strike
package comprised of bomberslaunched from the continental
United States as part of a planto maintain tactical surprise.
Part of the package proceededto the west and into the Pacific
as a decoy, a deception effortknown only to an extremely small

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number of planners and keyleaders here in Washington and
in Tampa.
The main strike package,comprised of seven B-2 Spirit
bombers, each with two crewmembers, proceeded quietly to
the east with minimalcommunications.
Throughout the 18-hour flightinto the target area, the
aircraft completed multiplein-flight refuelings.

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Once over land, the B-2s linkedup with escort and support
aircraft in a complex, tightlytimed maneuver requiring exact
synchronization across multipleplatforms in a narrow piece of
airspace.
All done with minimalcommunications.
This type of integration isexactly what our joint force

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does better than anyone else inthe world.
At approximately 5 pm EasternStandard Time last night, and
just prior to the strike packageentering Iran, a US submarine
in the Central Command Area ofResponsibility launched more
than two dozen Tomahawk landattack cruise missiles against
key surface infrastructuretargets at Esfahan.

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As the Operation MidnightHammer strike package entered
Iranian airspace, the USemployed several deception
tactics, including decoys, asthe fourth and fifth generation
aircraft pushed out in front ofthe strike package at high
altitude and high speed,sweeping in front of the package

(01:23:31):
for enemy fighters andsurface-to-air missile threats.
The strike package wassupported by US Strategic
Command, us TransportationCommand, us Cyber Command, us
Space Command, us Space Forceand US European Command and US

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European Command as the strikepackage approached Fordow and
Natanz.
The US protection packageemployed high-speed suppression
weapons to ensure safe passageof the strike package, with
fighter assets employingpreemptive suppressing fires
against any potential Iraniansurface-to-air threats.
We are currently unaware of anyshots fired at the US strike

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package on the way in.
At approximately 6.40 pm EasternStandard Time, 2.10 am Iran
time, the lead B-2 dropped twoGVU-57 massive ordnance
penetrator weapons on the firstof several aim points at Fordow.

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As the president stated lastnight, the remaining bombers
then hit their targets as well,with a total of 14 MOPS dropped
against two nuclear target areas.
All three Iranian nuclearinfrastructure targets were
struck between 6.40 pm and 7.05pm Eastern Time Again, that's

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about 2.10 in the morning localtime in Iran, with the Tomahawk
missiles being the last tostrike at Esfahan.
To ensure we retain the elementof surprise throughout the
operation Following weaponsrelease, the Midnight Hammer
strike package exited Iranianairspace and the package began

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its return home.
We are unaware of any shotsfired at the package on the way
out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
So I know it was long , but I wanted to play that.
So if you didn't get a chanceto hear it now, you know just
how, what an incredibleoperation that was.
And you have to think aboutthis this is what I was thinking
a lot about that it's got to beso hard today to do some of
this, because everybody hassatellite, everybody has the

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ability to see what aircraft arein the air, everybody can track
this stuff, everybody can see,even, at times, what's on the
ground, and so the fact that wewere able to get these b2
bombers, with these epic bombs,with fighter jets, all that
stuff, to have decoys and to getit into Iranian airspace and to
perform this mission and thento get out is pretty incredible

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in terms of military readiness,technology planning, all that
stuff.
You have to admit what a giftof God's grace and blessing that
God has given to this nation interms of being able to pull
these sorts of things off.
It really is incredible.
And again, this is not astatement today, because we

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would do a just war theorydiscussion and a different thing
in terms of Israel's preemptivestrike and all of this.
Not a discussion on that.
Just war theory is a differentsubject we should talk about,
but we can at least say hey,look, in this case this is
actually pretty amazing.
So more happened after that.
The next couple of days werereally everybody asking the

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question is Iran going to fightback?
Are they going to do somethingto fight back?
And of course, there was allthe threats and you know we're
in this for the long run kind ofthreats to us as a nation.
Everyone's questioning areother nations going to get
involved?
Now, is this going to spark aworld war?
Is Russia going to get involved?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
And everyone's asking Putin they're like are you
going to?

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
do something about this.
And he said you know, it's notmy war, which was commendable of
the man, and so everyone's sortof like you know, bated breath,
waiting, are they going to dosomething?
And of course, you know ourresponse even there was, I mean,
in the discussion that Trumphad, like the three or four
minute discussion he had, andthen that they made the point to

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Iran if you do anything, youknow we're going to retaliate
and fight back.
Don't do anything, now's thetime for peace, which I thought
was kind of interesting,actually, by the way, like you
know, uh, we dropped these bombsand then we're like now, now's
the time for peace.
Um, it was just it's.
It's such a twisted, fallenworld we live in where you know,
you know we have conflicts likethis where it just seems so

(01:28:02):
weird the things that are said.
It all feels weird, um, buteveryone's waiting with bated
breath saying, uh, what's goingto happen next?
And of course, iran fired um 18, was it 18?
Missiles?
Forgive me if I got that wrong.
I believe it was 18 18 missilesback, but they gave forewarning
that they were going to do it,uh, to qatar and, of course, to
us, and uh, and so not uh, oneof those missiles, uh, struck a

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target.
We blew them out of the sky andI think president trump said
that one of the missiles was letthey let go to fly because it
wasn't going to hit any targets.
And so then President Trump,fairly quickly after that,
announced that Israel and Iranwere now going to have a
ceasefire.
And what was interesting was Iwas like, oh, oh, thank God.

(01:28:48):
I mean it's been a rough last12 days, but, um, at least now
okay, good, and we're agreeingto a ceasefire.

Speaker 1 (01:28:54):
And then it was weird , like a couple hours later I
started seeing reports from, youknow, fairly reputable news
agencies that iran was like wedon't know anything about the
peace deal, nothing about aceasefire.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
We don't know we haven't even seen anything.
So I was like I kind of went tobed last night thinking, uh,
that's weird.
Like he president said there'sa ceasefire agreement.
They're saying they've neverheard such a thing or didn't see
such a thing.
It's not true.
And so I went to bed like Iguess maybe it's not over.
And then I woke up this morningto I guess the ceasefire was a
real deal.

(01:29:23):
And then I think this is thefirst time in American history
if you haven't seen this yet,get ready.
If you haven't seen this yet,get ready.
I think this is the first timein American history that an
American sitting president hasbeen on camera with the media,
before the American public andsaid this in the middle of a
military conflict.
Now I want to warn you,forewarn you.

(01:29:45):
I'm leaving it because I thinkyou need to get the full effect.
I want to forewarn you if youhave children around, there's
going to be a curse word herefrom our sitting president,
before the cameras and the media.
So I've warned you ahead oftime.
There's a curse word here fromour president.
But apparently the ceasefirewas agreed to and Israel was
still engaging, and I guess Iranis still engaging in some way,

(01:30:07):
and so this is President Trumpshowing his dissatisfaction.
If you haven't seen this yet,get ready for this.

Speaker 5 (01:30:21):
Yeah, they violated, but Israel violated it too.
Israel as soon as we made thedeal, they came out and they
dropped a load of bombs thelikes of which I've never seen
before, the biggest load thatwe've seen.
I'm not happy with Israel.
You know when I say OK, now youhave 12 hours, you don't go out
in the first hour and just dropeverything you have on them, so

(01:30:42):
I'm not happy with them.
I'm not happy with Iran either,but I'm really unhappy if
Israel is going out this morningbecause of one rocket that
didn't land was shot, perhaps bymistake, that didn't land.
I'm not happy about that.
We have we basically have twocountries that have been
fighting so long and so hardthat they don't know what the

(01:31:05):
fuck they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
you understand that he's obviously had a rough
couple of days.
No question, I mean, I'd sayany of us in that same situation
for the last 12 days would be,you know, pulling our hair out
and, you know, probably takinganxiety medication perhaps.
But yeah, he's under a lot ofstress, I guess, and I actually

(01:31:29):
was very thankful.
I'm not thankful, of course,for how he approached it.
I was thankful to see himwilling to chastise both nations
At least at that point.
It looked like somebody who wastrying to stand in the middle,
who was trying to make peacebetween nations, who doesn't
want war and is willing tochastise somebody that was seen

(01:31:51):
as his partner in this.
So at least Iran could see thathe's willing to condemn the
person that Iran sees as hispartner and say that they don't
know what they're doing.
And so I like that.
That was like a just positionto stand in the middle, equal
weights and measures.

(01:32:11):
Condemn them.
You're both wrong.
Stop doing what you're doing.
I'm trying to help, I'm tryingto bring peace.
I did like that.
I really respected that aboutwhat the president did there.
Of course, the language wasinteresting and I think that
officially is the first time,unless I'm wrong, something
pretty wrong.
I think that's the first timewe've ever seen an American
president say something likethat to the media, before the
American public, in the middleof a military conflict.

(01:32:32):
I found that to be quiteamusing.
And so there you go, everybody.
I hope the show is a blessingto you.
I know that it's an importantsubject.
I want to again reiterate mylove and my respect for brothers
and sisters who are watchingthis right now, who disagree on
this subject.
I know that we have unity inthe faith around our Savior and

(01:32:53):
Lord, jesus Christ.
We're all saved by the sameblood and same body, and so
we're all heirs of Abraham,we're all part of the people of
God, we're all children of God,and I know all of us have some
part of our theology or ourbeliefs that are off in some way
.
Nobody has perfect theologyhere, but this word, this book,

(01:33:14):
is what is supposed to guide us.
It is supposed to be thestandard, and I think we all
need to be willing to test.
When I say all, I do mean meAll be willing to test even our
cherished traditions.
And my point here is that and Ithink we can all at least agree
on this that the stakes werepretty high over the last two

(01:33:34):
weeks they were pretty high.
And if people are going to saythat our involvement needs to be
because of this particularinterpretation of these Bible
verses, we ought to be able tosay, with grace and humility and
love towards each other, wellthen, let's find out what the
Bible actually says about that.
Let's interpret those Bibleverses rightly in context with

(01:33:56):
all of Scripture.
Let's see what the Bibleactually says, because the
consequence of getting thiswrong could mean people die and
a lot of people die, and all ofus should be caring about that.
We need to love our neighborsas we love ourselves.
Bad theology hurts people and,like I said in my post the other
day, in this case, bad theologyhurts people means with
thermonuclear heat potentially,and that should matter to all of

(01:34:18):
us, even with our disagreementswith each other.
And so love you all.
Thank you, guys so much forspending time today.
If you would share this episode, because we didn't have a plan
for an episode this week decidedto do this because this is the
conversation in the atmosphere.
I thought this would be a hugeblessing for the sake of the
gospel itself and the people ofGod, and so if you would share
the episode, let's get thisconversation out there so that

(01:34:41):
Christians who've never evenreally thought this through
maybe can start engaging withthis a little bit more and be
looking into the scriptures andall of us can come to,
essentially, I think, a unity atleast on a point that it really
does matter what we say aboutthis, because there are real
consequences and so we shouldreally really care about this.
Again, we want to try to havethe just war theory discussion

(01:35:03):
in another episode.
So if you're excited about that, let me know, and if there's
enough excitement about that andyou care enough about that
conversation, maybe we'll do onein the next two weeks on just
war theory.
I think it'll blow your mindjust how amazing that particular
thing is in church history.
Just war theory developedbecause of the Bible, because of

(01:35:25):
the Christian church throughoutthe centuries, and I think it's
just a blessing and a gift tothe world, and the Bible does
speak a lot on this subject, andso when we are filtering
through the news about thisaction's taken, we're thinking
about doing this.
We should be able to come to itwith the Bible and say well,
wait a minute, let's make surethat we're in line with
Scripture here, that the Word ofGod is being honored here and

(01:35:47):
that God is pleased with thisconflict.
I'm happy and I'll end withthis conflict.
I'm happy, I'll end with this.
I am happy that in this greatAmerican experiment before the
Revolutionary War or the War forIndependence kicked off, that
people in the colonies did careabout just war theory.
They did care about firing afirst shot.
The pastor who led that firstgroup after the declaration of

(01:36:09):
the Redcoats are coming, thepastor who led that first group
after the declaration of theredcoats are coming, the
redcoats are coming.
That pastor specifically saidGod will not bless an offensive
war and I'm so glad that therewere men and women who believed
that and fought that way.
And so we'll do that.
If you're interested, we'll doit soon.
But thank you guys for all forwatching Again.

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