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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Darrell McLean Show.
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At any rate, this is episode438.
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Welcome to the new year.
Let's get into the show.
The former president of theUnited States, jimmy Carter, has
passed away on Sunday at theage of 100.
Now, the fascinating thingabout Jimmy Carter was that
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officially made him the longestliving president.
Fun fact, because Jimmy Carterwas America's longest living
president.
Dying at the age of 100 meansthe country is actually only 148
years older than Jimmy Carter148 years older than Jimmy
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Carter.
America is still a very youngcountry and, as we go into the
new year, pray that thecountry's best years have yet to
come.
We're going to talk about alittle bit about the death of
Jimmy Carter today, which issome of the tributes, and we're
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going to talk about the glowing,the growing tension that has
been bubbling as H-1B visas.
Let's get into the show Fromnow.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
100 years from now what do you want your legacy to
be?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
When Jimmy Carter was sworn in as the president of
the United States in 1977, thenation was still reeling from a
period of political upheaval.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I came along at a time when Americans still
remembered painfully the liestold and the debacle of
Watergate.
I was outside Washington, I wasnot stigmatized by the mistakes
that had been made in thoseprevious years and I brought a
fresh face of a peanut farmer, aworking man who's for never to
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tell a lie or make a misleadingstatement.
Jimmy Carter from Georgia, Ihope to be the next president.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
When we sat down with President Carter in 2006, he
laid out his vision forAmerica's role in the future and
his concerns about missteps inthe post-9-11 world.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
The announcement and practice of preemptive war, the
complete abandonment of all thenuclear arms control agreements
that were reached.
They claim, in effect, thatprisoners could be mistreated or
tortured or deprived of habeascorpus.
These are some of the thingsthat I think has caused a
deterioration in our country'sbasic stature and integrity.
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I would like to see our countrybe the champion of human rights
and every American embassylooked upon as a haven for those
who suffer from human rightsabuse.
I'd like to see our country bethe most generous on earth.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Who suffer from human rights abuse.
I'd like to see our country bethe most generous on earth.
Jimmy Carter was born in 1924and died in, obviously, 2024.
He was always on the precipiceof thinking about the future,
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and that brings you in alignment, of course, with a lot of
controversy if people are stuckin the past and may not actually
agree with the steps that youthink are going to bring upon
the future.
We're going to talk about atthe end, some of the amazing
things that he did, includingsimple things like that the
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media made a controversy, asthey are known to do.
He turned down the thermostatsin the White House to 65 degrees
because he really believed inclimate change, and he was the
president that put on a sweaterand had the entire press wearing
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sweaters versus blasting theheat.
Uh.
He wrote a book post-presidencyuh, called the uh Palestine
peace, not apartheid, and hetried to.
And this was back in 2007 whenhe went on the show Democracy
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Now to speak with the host, amyGoodman, about the Israel and
Palestinian conflict.
The book where he somewhat ifyou look at what we're going
through now he pre-warns aboutwhat would happen if we did not
solve this problem.
He was a sitting president, who, years later, observed what was
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going on because of, of course,during his presidency, there
was a lot of peace talks, etc.
And this is what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Why don't Americans know what you have seen?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Americans don't want to know, and many Israelis don't
want to know what is going oninside Palestine.
It's a terrible human rightspersecution that far transcends
what any outsider would imagine,and there are powerful
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political forces in America thatprevents any objective analysis
of the problem in the Holy Land.
I think it's accurate to saythat not a single member of
Congress with whom I'm familiarwould possibly speak out and
call for Israel to withdraw totheir legal boundaries or to
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publicize the plight of thePalestinians or even to call
publicly and repeatedly forAgain.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You can go watch that interview in its entirety Jimmy
Carter.
While remembered for hishumanitarian work and diplomacy,
carter's legacy also includeshis fearless critique of the
Israelis' occupation ofPalestine.
As a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, carter was one of the first US
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presidents to publicly denouncethe abuse of Palestinians and
to call for Palestinian rights,warning America about the
powerful force is preventinghonest discussion about Israel.
Americans don't want to knowwhat's happening there, he once
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said, referencing the media andthe political establishments in
America shielding the Americanpublic from the truth.
Carter's advocacy for peaceextended beyond words.
He pushed against apartheidpolicies in the region, even as
he faced backlash for calling itas he saw it.
His commitment to truth andjustice set him apart in a
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political landscape often deniedand defined by the silence on
these issues.
As the world mourns ahumanitarian and peace
advocate's, it is worthrevisiting his courage of
speaking out for those whosevoices have been silenced by the
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American media and by theAmerican foreign policy
establishment.
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They're occupied by two powers.
They're now completelyseparated.
The Palestinians can't evenride on the same roads that the
Israelis have created or builtin Palestinian territory.
The Israelis never see aPalestinian, except the Israeli
soldiers.
The Palestinians never see anIsraeli except in the distance,
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except the Israeli soldiers.
So within Palestinian territorythey're absolutely and totally
separated much worse than theywere in South Africa, by the way
.
And the other thing is theother.
Definition of apartheid is oneside domin, and the other thing
is the other.
Definition of apartheid is oneside dominates the other, and
the Israelis completely dominatethe life of the Palestinian
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people.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Why don't Americans know what you have seen?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Americans don't want to know, and many Israelis don't
want to know what is going oninside Palestine.
It's a terrible human rightspersecution that far transcends
what any outsider would imagine,and there are powerful
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political forces in America thatprevents any objective analysis
of the problem in the Holy Land.
I think it's accurate to saythat not a single member of
Congress with which I'm, withwhom I'm familiar, would
possibly speak out and call forIsrael to withdraw to their
legal boundaries or to publicizethe plight of the Palestinians,
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or even to call publicly andrepeatedly for good faith peace
talks.
There hadn't been a day ofpeace talks now in more than
seven years.
So this is a taboo subject andI would say that if any member
of Congress did speak out asI've just described, they would
probably not be back intoCongress.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
the next term.
Now, of course, that was backin 2007 when Jimmy Carter said
those things.
When Jimmy Carter said thosethings, he in his 2002 Nobel
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Prize speech, when he won theNobel Peace Prize, he said this
very true and prescient quote wewill not learn how to live
together in peace by killingeach other's children.
We will not learn how to livetogether in peace by killing
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each other's children.
And when you look at all theconversations that happened
these past few years when thenew Israeli-Palestinian conflict
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iteration popped up this time,see if we can go back to 2007
and juxtapose what we saw andsee was President Carter's
correct.
Look at the powerful lobby,aipac, and how it did everything
it could to silence people inCongress who criticize not
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people but the policies of acountry.
And look at politicians likeCori Bush, et cetera, who you
can go.
Look at the financials, andthey were heavily spent against
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by AIPAC, simply because theywere not sufficiently pro-Israel
or because they had madepro-Palestinian comments
comments.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Governor Reagan, as a matter of fact, began his
political career campaigningaround this nation against
Medicare.
Now we have an opportunity tomove toward national health
insurance with an emphasis onthe prevention of disease.
An emphasis on outpatient care,not inpatient care.
An emphasis on hospital costcontainment to hold down the
cost of hospital care for thosewho are ill.
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An emphasis on catastrophichealth insurance so that if a
family is threatened with beingwiped out economically because
of a very high medical bill,then the insurance would help
pay for it.
These are the kind of elementsof a national health insurance
important to the American people.
Governor Reagan again,typically, is against such a
proposal.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
There was a snippet from the debate between Jimmy
Carter and former PresidentRonald Reagan where, even though
he lost that election thatre-election, I should say he
already was trying to getAmericans on the path to have a
universal health care.
He, even back then, was talkingabout the insurance companies
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and their poor behavior.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Oh my gosh, he was so unique A peanut farmer from
Plains, georgia.
He won the presidency, I think,because he was the un-Nixon.
We'd just gone throughWatergate.
Jimmy Carter said I'll neverlie to you, over and over and
over.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
People think that he was unsuccessful, but he passed
more than most presidents do intwo terms, in one term I had the
best batting average in theCongress in recent history of
any president except for LyndonJohnson.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
He saved every hostage that was held in Iran.
He passed landmark legislation,big things like energy policy
and giving back the Panama Canal, and he put solar panels on the
roof of the White House backthen.
I think he's most proud of thefact that there was peace for
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the four years that he waspresident.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
We never fired a bullet, we never dropped a bomb,
we never launched a missile.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I think he thought he was a great president.
President Carter's lastinglegacy comes out of his
post-presidency.
No one would disagree that he'sone of the great
post-presidents we've ever had.
He devoted himself to poorpeople.
He built houses for poor people.
He spent his life trying to getrid of certain diseases in
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Africa that were killing peopleunnecessarily.
He won the Nobel Peace Prizenot when he was president, but
after he died, knowing that hehad lived a good life and that
he did wonderful things when hewas president.
But after he died, knowing thathe had lived a good life and
that he did wonderful thingswhen he was president.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
What you just heard was commentary from Leslie Stahl
, as she reflected on you tosummarize the life of somebody
who lived so long.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
A lot of us do good acts, but sometimes we don't go
above and beyond what's expectedof a human being.
We don't do a transcendentthing expected of a human being.
We don't do a transcendentthing.
We don't analyze our own livesto see what can I do?
That's above and beyond thecall of duty as a mother or as a
father or as a grandfather likeme.
What is it that is precious inmemory?
And the main point is thatthese are the simplest things in
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life.
They're the relationshipbetween one person and another
person.
It's not something that getsyour name in the paper or makes
you, you know, exalted, or makesyou money.
It's the kind of thing that 20or 40 years later, you still
remember as a preciousexperience.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
How do you want to be remembered?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Well, that's uh, with my family.
I hope I could be remembered byas a good great grandfather and
a good grandfather and a goodfather my wife.
I hope I can be remembered as agood great-grandfather and a
good grandfather and a goodfather my wife.
I hope I can be remembered as agood husband, but in politics,
as a champion of peace and humanrights.
I was lucky enough to keep ourcountry at peace for the four
years that I served and we were,I think, looked upon as a
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champion of human rights then.
So that's the two things Iguess, politically speaking, I'm
proud of.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We're going to end this segment on the former
president, jimmy Carter, withjust a few snips of his general
speeches most memorable, Ishould say, and because
everybody knows I'm an economicessentialist, it's what I think
about the most.
I'm going to say this lastquote that I always thought
about when I heard Jimmy Cartersay it and it's what I've always
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believed, it's what SenatorBernie Sanders says and it's
actually going to tip into whatwe have to talk about in the
next segment.
And jimmy carter said, and Iquote the us is an oligarchy
with unlimited political bribery.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Rest in peace our social and political progress
has been based on onefundamental principle the value
and importance of the individual.
Based on this knowledge ofGeorgia, north and South, rural
and urban, liberal andconservative, I say to you quite
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frankly that the time forracial discrimination is over.
These are not just my goals,and they will not be my
accomplishments, but theaffirmation of our nation's
continuing moral strength.
Human identity is no longerdefined by what one does but by
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what one owns.
But we've discovered thatowning things and consuming
things does not satisfy ourlonging for meaning.
War may sometimes be anecessary evil, but no matter
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how necessary, it is always evil, never a good.
America did not invent humanrights In a very real sense.
It's the other way around Humanrights invented America.
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Weeding into the next topic.
We're going to talk about thisvisa program.
Okay, and let me layer thisconversation with some truth
here.
Growing up in Jacksonville,Florida, I would like to say the
great state of Florida we hadto always deal with certain
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levels of immigration, legal andillegal.
So because of America's wantingto fight socialism or the Red
Scare or whatever, wherever theycould find it, when the United
States saw that Fidel Castrooverthrew then leader of Cuba
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Batista, what ended up happeningis there was a law still
actually maybe on the bookswhere people who were coming
from Cuba who landed in Americaimmediately became American
citizens.
It was widely known that mostpeople who came from Cuba were
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for just geographical purposes,were going to hit Florida and
get automatic citizenship.
As growing up, I saw howinherently propagandizing the
policy was.
Obviously these people fleeingsocialist Castro, fleeing
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socialist Cuba to come tofreedom-loving America.
That was kind of the propaganda.
I noticed the hypocrisy in thepolicy when I would see my
friends from which I did have,from the Dominican Republic, who
had escaped or I left Dominicaand come to America, had escaped
or I left Dominica and come toAmerica the fact that they had
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American soil.
They did not become citizens.
They had just as many skills asthe people from Cuba, but that
did not matter.
I saw it happening with peoplefrom Haiti.
I saw people in Florida fromPuerto Rico, which Puerto Rico
is.
Puerto Ricans are Americans,you know but I saw the way that
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they were treated differentlyand this is what launched my
views, my thoughts aboutimmigration.
I watched when there was amassive influx of Haitians into
Florida for humanitarianpurposes.
They were in florida legally,but I did see how.
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I think I talked about this in amaybe not this show, but I did
a guest spot on over opinionated, the show over opinionated,
with josh scott.
Please give josh a chance.
It's a conservative show, um,but he's very soft-spoken and he
does try to give it a.
You know, give the other side afair thought, a fair shot.
I should say um, I guess hostedand I talked about how
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difficult it was when the influxof haitian um migrants came to
florida and how we had to dealwith just the cultural
differences, even when we weretrying to deal with it in the
church and some of the practicesthat they had with voodoo and
things like that, and it was.
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It does shock a culture.
I'll just stop say that lightthere.
But there has always been abubbling around the surfaces
about what and who type ofpeople could come into America.
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There's always been a debateabout why somebody fails and why
somebody succeeds in America.
It's always been one of thesekind of debates about the type
of immigrant or why you failed.
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What is going to happen?
How can we protect Americanworkers when American
manufacturing has left thecountry In jumps?
What I'm going to call theglobalist and what I mean by
globalist?
I'm going to say that theirthoughts are not primarily with
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the American workers.
They are multi-nationals andthey are also technocrats.
They are tech billionaires andthe companies that they have and
the capital they have access toit is global and their thinking
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is not primarily with theUnited States of America.
Their thinking is global andtheir thinking is not primarily
with the United States ofAmerica.
Their thinking is global like aglobalist Of themselves.
They are also business ownersand therefore they also have
succeeded enough because of theframe of business that they own
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to become billionaires.
We talked on this show beforeabout how money is not moral or
immoral.
It is amoral.
It has no loyalty.
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Pops us to this immigrationfight about what is known as H1B
visas.
So Elon Musk, in his relentlesspursuit to become the world's
richest man, used a lot of h1bvisas.
If you go, look at the actualpeople who are a part of the
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trump base, um, they're.
They have a critique ofimmigration and immigration
policy.
That is not just about thepeople in Springfield, et cetera
.
Uh, who came in through the um.
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That would have been the systemof the.
You know, claiming refugeesthere is.
H-1b visas are people with jobsthat are normally you need a
degree to do it.
It is a high level ofspecificity and these are
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foreign workers who come intoAmerica to normally work in the
tech sector.
They will normally have abachelor's degree and up and
they will be normally in thesesectors.
Now Laura Loomer, who is aconservative, far, far right
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journalist, critiqued the this,this program, and I'm going to
let you hear Laura in her ownwords eventually, laura in her
own words, you know, eventuallyand this is a program that Elon
actually believes in and creditshimself um, in my opinion,
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wrongly on um saying this uh,elon actually says on his the
platform that he uses capital tobuy.
Elon says the reason I am inAmerica along with so many
critical people who built SpaceX, tesla and hundreds of other
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companies that made Americastrong is because of H-1B visas.
Take a big step back and go fyourself in the face.
I will go to war on this issue,the likes of which you cannot
possibly comprehend.
Now look this um was hisresponse to um laura loomer.
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But let me tell you frankly thepeople who don't know the
reason why Elon Musk supportsH-1B visas programs has nothing
to do about Elon giving a shitAbout people with brown skin or
labor or blah, blah, blah.
It is about cheap profits andand, and that is it.
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This has been a growing fightthat republicans were bound to
have because, uh, republicanprovocateurs and lawyer and
culture this is a part wherepeople like her actually uh are
on the right side of this whohave called h1b visas for years
for what I think they were.
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It gives them a this power ofalmost indentured servitude.
This was a fight that barackobama had to have with steve
jobs, where steve jobs toldbarack obama the reason why
Apple does not hire engineers inAmerica.
He claimed that Americansdidn't have enough engineers.
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People on my side of theeconomic aisle have always said
that was a scam and it was a lieand it was actually predicated
on the fact that the engineersthat they would get from India
and Asia and from the PacificIslands, that they were not
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asked for the wages that theAmerican engineers were going to
ask for.
So you have these people withthese high skilled degrees doing
these high skilled work andthey're making $40,000, $50,000
when the American engineer,rightfully, rightfully, would be
demanding at least $75,000,$80,000, maybe $90,000 a year.
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That is the type of problemthat this H-1B visa kind of
created.
Now here's something that alsowe're gonna have to jump into.
Elon musk is not actuallytelling the truth on this h1b
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visa situation about his ownimmigration status, right, and
this goes back to a conversationthat it's kind of enhanced.
So you know this comes fromhasim mezua, pmp and you can go
look it up yourself and do yourown research.
And he responded to elon andsaid elon musk did not come in
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the United States on a H-1B visa.
He illegally came here,scamming his way on a student
visa, the F-1.
And he never used it.
He violated the terms to workthe terms to work.
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His constant lies about hisorigin story are just to lecture
folks there to protect himselffrom deportation and avoid the
massive fines and maybe evenasset seizures that could follow
an investigation because Eloncommitted a massive fraud by not
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using the F1, which it wasappropriate.
The architect of, you know, someof the Trump's pulse on the
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base of the party is SteveBannon and, uh, the lower lumers
, whether whether you like it ornot, and he has been very long
critical of Elon, not just forthe H H1B visas, but for Anybody
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that knows anything about SteveBannon, you're going to know he
is going to be against the whatwe would call the globalists,
and so he has been hitting heavyElon for a very long time
Because he sees Elon as as afraud who is trying to basically
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take over the Republican Partyvia scam because he has access
to a certain amount of capital.
Now, believe it or not, this iswhat I've also thought about
Elon Musk for a very long periodof time, because I remember you
know, I followed him on X andall the stuff like that and I
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remember watching and reading apost where Elon said Donald
Trump will be 82 at the end ofyou know a term or something
like that.
You know a term or somethinglike that.
Paraphrasing here, he said he'snot.
That is too old to be a chiefexecutive of anything, let alone
the president of the UnitedStates.
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Now that was Elon saying DonaldTrump is too old to be the
president, too old to be runningrunning anything.
And then he's going to turnaround and act like he is some
type of um.
I'll just say, act like he wassome type of hero and I, I, just
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I.
I I'm going to get into this abit more, but I, but I think
that people don't recognize thatbillionaires for the most part
are apolitical people.
They just, they just want apolicy to work, especially if
they're business owners.
But I think that people don'trecognize that billionaires for
the most part are apoliticalpeople.
They just want a policy to work, especially if they're business
owners.
They are just trying to getfavorable policies for their
specific business and they'reactually not interested in how
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it affects the subset ofpopulation.
They're worried about how itaffects them and their business
interests.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Period people that he keeps blocked off there, myself
including.
Not that I want to go on there,oh yeah, no, no, he's owned.
He's owned by the chinesecommunist party.
What are you talking about?
Tesla?
His only sense of only thing ofreal value is tesla, he.
He uses it for margin loans.
He sells the stock.
The shanghai joint venture is100, controlled by the ccp.
This is why this is why he nevergoes after the ccp.
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This is why he always backs off.
This is when they had the, theprotest.
They had the protest about thelockdowns of covid.
He what he will not do it.
Elon musk is a total andcomplete phony.
He is in bed in a businessparty.
He's done some good stuff, butletting stuff out uh, you know
with taib, you know others isfine, but he is owned lock,
stock and barrel by the chinesethat.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's when he says ccp, for people who don't are
not aware, he's talking aboutthe chinese communist party and
um, I don't, I don't thinkanybody can deny, even with the,
the government funding billthat Elon just blocked.
Everybody knows that, that wasin the know, would know that
that was not about the spendingbill.
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There were some heavyprovisions on China, and when
you put heavy provisions on the,the, the China, they are.
That was going to affect Teslaand Elon did everything he could
to stop that bill from comingforward.
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And once the stuff about Chinawas taken out, he supported the
bill.
He of course said oh yes, thiswas a, etc.
Etc, etc, um.
But uh, it wasn't, it was aboutTesla.
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So this is sparked the full onwar about these visas, why
people support him, etc.
Etc.
Um, and who they should.
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And this is what was.
This was bound to happen.
I was because when I was growingup, they always had this
narrative that there was acertain subset of people in the
state of Florida that werefailing, and it had nothing to
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do with systemic problems.
It was about them.
It was about them.
It was about them.
It was about them, it was abouttheir personal behavior.
And then there was another groupof us that talked about.
It's actually not about that.
It is about a bunch of low wagejobs because of this heavy
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influx of Migrant workers, andwhen you would bring up stuff
like that, you would honestly belabeled as a racist, a bigot
and a xenophobe.
And there was a certain subsetof the Republican Party and even
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some libertarians who used toalways say if you're not rich
and successful, etc.
Blame yourself.
They were not interested in thestructural critiques about what
shipping in a bunch of lowskilled workers were doing to
the economy.
Now they're seeing that whathappens when you ship in a bunch
of high skilled workers andwhat that is or did do to the
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economy is or did do to theeconomy.
Steve Bannon has been goingafter Elon on these issues for a
very long time and he has a lotto say.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
There have been some people and as I put up stuff, I
said, steve, we have to have agroup hug.
No, no, this is central to howthey gutted the middle class in
this country and we haven'tfought these battles over years
and years and years to allowAmerican citizens of every race,
ethnicity, religion be guttedby the sociopathic overlords in
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Silicon Valley.
So, no, david Sachs and VivekRamaswamy and Elon Musk, no,
you're complete collapse and youthink, oh, we're just trying to
reform it, we're just trying tohave a conversation, we want to
reform it.
No, there's no reformation, noreform.
We want it gone.
We demand that it's gone.
We're going to fight for thisand not just gone.
I've got another alternative.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
We want reparations for the tech workers that you
stole their lives.
This started, like I said.
This started a a big fight inuh the modern day republicans,
with even uh uh people like aformer mma fighter, a podcaster,
uh summit column, if nonationalist uh, jake shields uh
coming on and saying we areliving, we are giving our
low-wage jobs to Mexicans andSalvadorians while giving our
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high-paying jobs to Indians andChinese.
He was responded to by anotherhost of a big show, patrick Bett
Daveman.
He's also a CEO and businessmanand businessman and he um
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responded and saying so you wantme to not hire high performing,
hard-working and skilledindians and you want me to hire
an american, even if that personis not capable, lack skills and
are entitled.
So you do support diversity,equity and, conclusion, you do
support DEI.
I thought you hated it.
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Now this is what we get to.
What I was trying to talk to youabout this before, there's
always been this playful notionthat America was meritocratic
and every way you do andeverything you're going to do to
get up has to be meritocracy.
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And in that post, jake Shieldskind of says wait a minute, wait
a minute.
It's not necessarily aboutmeritocracy, it's about
protecting the American worker.
I've always said you cannothave both.
You cannot have protectionismand meritocracy.
You cannot have protectionismwhen meritocracy because the
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capital by itself is not goingto allow the best talent to come
forward, it's going to allowthe cheapest talent to come
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forward.
That's always been the game.
Ever since america got rid offree labor, which we know as
slavery, the American businessmodel has been doing everything
it can to find cheap laborconstantly.
That is the American businessmodel.
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How can I get a good product onthe cheapest way possible?
And the most cheapest productthat I want, and I want for the
longest time, is how can I getthe cheapest labor, the cheapest
worker?
How can I make you make mycompany millions of dollars and
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not pay you millions of dollars?
How can I make you make me amillionaire while you live below
the poverty line?
It's always been that way.
Now people on the right havejust started to notice it.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
There's some racism over there.
You white folks go look at that.
That's a Fox specialty.
We don't fall for that.
So don't think you're going tocome back, and oh you know what.
Well, what we need to do isincrease it here and cut that
cost there.
Screw you, you clown, and thenyou're going to suppress us.
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Oh, they're, I don't know,blacklisting you.
Whatever they're doing, I don'tcare what they do on Twitter, I
could care less.
We're banned on every platformin the world and this show is
one of the most powerful in theworld.
Why is that?
Because the content of thisshow resonates with the most
powerful audience in the world,working men and women that
happen to be citizens of thisgreat republic, that happen to
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be citizens of this greatrepublic.
This is a defining moment.
Some of the people say, oh,steve, we've got to have a group
hug.
You can't do this and let theDemocrats no, no, we're not
having group hugs, we're nothaving pats on the head.
You've got to get this straightFirst off.
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You've got to get hey.
I've said many times that Eloncame and Elon's money helped
organize the grassroots of it.
In his engineering mind, he sawwhat the problem was as we saw
it and he supported it and forthat he gets a place at the
table.
There's no doubt you should.
It's a quarter of a billiondollars in June, not an entire
cycle in five months.
But that dinner with Saks andthat check from Elon came at
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Biden's.
You know.
When Biden, you know, in thedebate or right before the
debate, and Biden, you know,they kind of saw the numbers of
where this thing was heading.
They're recent converts.
We love converts.
Hell, I'm a Catholic.
We used to be in the convertbusiness.
Not so much anymore.
We can't keep what we got.
But in the old days, you know,half the saints are missionaries
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we love and converts.
But the converts sit in theback and study for years and
years and years and make sureyou understand the faith and you
understand the nuances of thefaith and understand how you can
internalize the faith.
Don't come up and go to thepulpit in your first week here
and start lecturing people aboutthe way things are going to be.
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If you're going to do that,we're going to get and we're
going to rip your face offbecause you can't beat us.
We're not beatable.
This army of the awakened isnot beatable because we're
relentless and we will neversurrender and we will never slow
down and, yes, if you go low,we'll go to the center of the
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earth, because we're fightingfor something that means
something.
We have meaning in this.
This is why people watch theshow, this is why people come to
the show and all this greatcontent people provide us and
Ben Berkham's down now, puttinghis life in danger again why do
people do this?
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Why have they done this foryears?
Why did they do it for years?
At Breitbart, when Trumpstarted appearing in 13 and 14,
we said that's the guy.
When Trump started appearing in13 and 14, we said that's the
guy.
Visa program is a total andcomplete scam concocted by the
lords of easy money on WallStreet and the oligarchs in
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Silicon Valley.
The citizens in this countryare what provided the platform
for you nerds even to exist.
We're not gonna take thetemperature down.
We're not gonna take thetemperature down.
Oh no, oh no, oh no.
We do not.
It's no backing down, it'sdoubling down.
This is Elon Musk.
The reason I'm in America, alongwith so many critical people
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who built SpaceX, tesla andhundreds of other companies that
made America strong is becauseof H1B.
That made America strong isbecause of H-1B.
Take a big step back and Fyourself all caps in the face.
F yourself in the face.
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I will go to war on this issue,the likes of which you cannot
possibly comprehend.
Oh yeah, tough guy, you'regonna go to war on the likes of
which you cannot possiblycomprehend.
You're a man child.
The H1B visa program is a totaland complete scam concocted by
the lords of easy money on WallStreet and the oligarchs in
Silicon Valley to both,initially, to just increase
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profit margins.
But there's a darker element toit today, a contempt of America
and American citizens, andwe're not going to tolerate it.
We need to honor this countryand you need to honor the
citizens in this country.
The citizens in this countryare what provided the platform
for you nerds even to exist,because, in the predatory nature
(46:37):
, the darwinian environment ofthe world as it is, you would
have already been crushed anddestroyed so during the campaign
, uh, trump was rolling aroundwith this uh journalist, uh,
somewhat a new, new and culturestyle provocateur, um, maybe a
bit more ridiculous and unhinged, and her name is laura loomer.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Laura loomer got into this conversation and this is
kind of what sparked it.
Right, and, as crazy andconspiratorial as she may be, I
want you to listen to what Laurasays, because you may find
yourself in agreement to withLaura, and this is what makes
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this conversation morecomplicated and difficult than
we would actually like it to be.
Speaker 6 (47:33):
What is it going to mean for the future of our
country, our national securityand the incoming Trump
administration if we have abunch of technocrats who are
also essentially welfare queensbecause their companies are
receiving government subsidiesand they want to take over our
defense industry?
If you have a bunch of techbros with billions of dollars
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and direct, unfettered access tothe vice president and the
president of the United States,and then they are also, you know
, very cordial with ouradversaries, as in China and
Iran.
We see that Elon Musk is havingthese meetings off the books
with Iranian officials, withChinese officials.
What does that mean for us andthe future of our constitutional
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repel?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
what does that mean for us and the future of our
constitutional repel?
Good, so here's where I come inand I and I'm gonna fly under
my true flag about what, what Isay, that I am and what I
believe.
Like I said before, everyoneknows I'm an economic
existentialist.
Everyone knows that in thepolitical sense of my own
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political beliefs, what Ibelieve, not necessarily what I
always say.
There's a lot of camps, whetheryou are a conservative, whether
you're a conservativeRepublican, a centrist, a
democrat, a liberal, aprogressive, a green partier, a
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socialist, a democraticsocialist, etc.
Etc.
A libertarian, aconstitutionalist, and we can
kind of go on and on.
Are you a narco-capitalist Inthat camp?
I am a narco-cynicalist.
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I've always have been in spirit, not necessarily in practice,
because in practice when anarco-cynicalism comes to
America, as close as I'm goingto be able to get to, it is
going to be some form oflibertarianism.
So I always sometimes say smallC conservative, big L
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libertarian.
Maybe I'll do a show one day ona narco-cynicalism.
But in that vein we always talkabout things like monarchy,
oligarchy, plutocracy.
Those are fundamentally what wewould call leftist terms.
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When was the last time youheard the word oligarchy?
And you hear it often in theAmerican media.
In the American media, when youlook at, do a quick search of
who uses the word the most whenit comes to the American
landscape, it's DemocraticSocialist Dr Cornel West and
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Democratic Socialist Senatorfrom Vermont, bernie Sanders.
They are always talking aboutoligarchy, bernie Sanders.
They are always talking aboutoligarchy.
Cornel West will actually talkabout oligarchy and plutocracy.
This is the rise of theAmerican Uniparty Alliance,
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because now you have SteveBannon, who is no left-winger,
and Laura Lundemar, who is noleft-winger.
Using words like oligarchy,plutocracy and monarchy is a
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critique of a certain type ofcapitalism.
Now, when you go look up thoseterms where they are coming from
, they're generally leftistterms, leftist ideas, leftist
narratives.
Now, what makes thisconversation more interesting
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about what I said aboutglobalism etc.
Is somebody who I think is veryintelligent, articulate,
well-spoken, popped into thisconversation presidential
candidate and small governmentcrusader, billionaire and
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technocrat, vivek Ramaswamy.
And what Vivek did when hestepped into this conversation
is almost drop a weapons gradeside nuclear bomb into the
conversation.
Because what Vivek did is whatconservatives have done for
years.
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He went after American culture.
Vivek says the reason top techcompanies often hire
foreign-born andfirst-generation engineers over
native-born Americans isn'tbecause of an innate American IQ
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deficit, ie lazy and wrongexplanation.
A key part of it comes down tothe C word culture.
Tough questions demand toughanswers and if we are really
serious about facing the problem, we have to confront the truth.
Our American culture hasvenerated mediocrity over
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excellence for way too long, atleast since the 90s and likely
longer.
That doesn't start in college,it starts young.
A culture that celebrates promqueens over the math Olympia
champ or the jock over thevaledictorian will not produce
the best engineers.
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A culture that venerates Coreyfrom Boy Meets World or Zach
from Slater over Screech andSaved by the Bell, or Stefan
over Steve Urkel and FamilyMatters will not produce the
best engineers.
Fact I know multiple sets ofimmigrant parents in the 90s who
actively limited how much theirkids could watch those TV shows
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, precisely because theypromoted mediocrity and their
kids went on to become wildlysuccessful STEM graduates.
More movies like White Splash,fewer reruns of Friends, more
math tutoring, fewer sleepovers,more weekend science
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competitions, fewer Saturdaymorning cartoons, more books,
less TV, more creating, lesschilling, more extracurriculars,
less hanging out at the mall.
Most normal American parentslook skeptically at those kind
of parents.
More normal Americans kind ofview such those kinds of kids
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with scorn.
If you grew up expiring tonormalcy, normalcy is what you
will achieve.
Now close your eyes andvisualize which families you
knew in the 90s or even now whoraised their kids according to
the model versus the other.
Brutal, honest Normalcy does notcut it in a hyper-competitive
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global market for technicaltalent, and if we pretend like
it does, we will have our asseshanded to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment.
We've awakened from a slumberbefore and we can do it again.
Trump's election hopefullymarks the beginning of a new
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golden era in America, but onlyif our culture fully wakes up, a
culture that can once againprioritize achievement over
normalcy, excellence overmediocrity, nerdiness over
conformity, hard work overlaziness.
That's the work we have to cutout for us, rather than the
wallowing in victimhood and justwishing our legislating
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alternative hiring practicesinto existence.
I'm confident we can do thisnow.
This is why this was socontroversial, because it rings
so much truth of theconservative critique of what
conservatives for years asubsection of conservatives for
years have said, that specificthing about certain groups in
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America.
Anytime you point out anythingsystemic, the answer you get is
about single parent families andso on and so forth.
Where was the father?
What about education?
And then, if you do everythingthat you are allegedly supposed
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to do, guess what happens?
They'll say oh, you were overlyeducated.
You went to college, you gotthese degrees and the college
didn't pan out for you, and soon and so forth.
It is a never-ending cycle ofexcuses because they don't want
to deal with the systemicproblems that face us all.
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And now that that chicken hascome home to root and that dog
is not trying to hunt, becausenow that the tech no crats are
leaving the Democratic Party andthey are shifted over to the
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Republican Party.
It is just a matter of factthat Vivek used to be a Democrat
.
It is a matter of fact thatDonald Trump was a Democrat for
the longest portion of his adultlife.
It is a matter of fact thatElon Musk was on the left for a
longest portion of his adultlife.
It is a matter of fact thatElon Musk was on the left for a
long portion of his life.
And all those people that I justnamed have two things in common
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they are all billionaires.
They are all college educated,they all went to the top, elite
universities.
They are not like the majorityof the people they cosplay to be
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representing, and the toughthing that they're saying in
this thing is is is is theconversation that we have to
have, because now those samepeople who used to be moderately
somewhere on the left we couldjust say in the Democratic Party
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who used to actually believe alot of the reasons you were
failing is because you werestupid, they have now shifted to
the right and guess what theyare still saying.
They are now saying to peopleon the right we are not going to
hire you because you are toostupid, you didn't go to school,
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you didn't get the advanceddegree and we're not going to
train you.
Elon Musk even liked a post itsaid somewhat.
It said something like the techright is arguing with the
normal right about jobs and thetech right is saying we need
these jobs from these workers,from, I would just say, former
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nationals.
And then the right right issaying we need these jobs from
these workers from, I would justsay, former nationals.
And then the right right issaying well, why won't you train
us?
And then the tech right issaying because you're retarded
and we can't fix you beingretarded.
Elon Musk said that was true,the richest person in the world,
so de facto the richest personin the United States of America,
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somebody who helped fund theTrump campaign, these two people
who are over Doge, theDepartment of Government
Efficiency, vivac, and Elon Musk, is now looking down on the
American worker on the right andsaying we can't help you, you
(59:40):
are a bunch of idiots and that'snot going to go over.
Well, but that is what it isboiling down to A full on civil
Civil war of type Is going tohave to happen In the Republican
Party.
Is it has to happen In theDemocratic Party?
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Because this is about Labor and,of course, immigration Is a
piece of it.
It's a big piece and I alwayshave said and it is because
labor is not necessarily global,like money is global, and when
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labor becomes a global issue,and when labor becomes a global
issue, the labor that becomesglobal is through ways of
immigration, whether that isillegal immigration or whether
that is refugee immigration,whether that is the visa
situation.
And when people come there is asuppression by the very nature
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of the wages and that doesaffect the local population.
And when people who own thingsdon't want to deal with what
that does to the localpopulation.
We constantly have theseclashes and the clashes is not
going to stop, but this issomething that it is staring
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Donald Trump right in the face.
Donald Trump came out for forall intent and purposes and
agreed with Elon Musk.
Now that doesn't mean anything,because during his
administration, donald Trump wason the other side of the issue.
But Donald Trump also said thathe uses S-1B visas on his
(01:01:40):
properties and when you go lookit up, that's not the case.
Trump uses S-2 visas on hisproperty because he hires people
in the sector of hospitality,the sector of hospitality.
So your cookers, your cleaners,your people who are going to
cut your grass or be yourwaiters he's not hiring S1B
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visas people you know in thetech industry.
So Trump tried to weigh in,obviously didn't say the correct
terminology, but basically, youknow he went on a podcast when
he was running for presidentlast year and he said I wish
(01:02:27):
that every degree came with agreen card attached to it.
Donald Trump, categorically, ison the side of the other
billionaires and this issue isnot going away.
I'm going to end on this.
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One other note.
Elon Musk, of course, boughtTwitter, now known as X x, and
the numbers are somewhat out.
We could see that that twittertanked, but I don't really care
about that aspect.
We could see that it is now 70percent loss since he bought the
company.
My critique is he bought itunder the banner of freedom of
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speech.
Now I knew and I told peoplethere's no such thing as freedom
of speech.
Now I knew and I told peoplethere's no such thing as freedom
of speech in these techindustries.
Freedom of speech when you hearthat word thrown around is kind
of a pejorative, for I want tobe able to say the most
reprehensible shit and not beheld accountable for it.
I want to be able to get onlineand say the N-word and nobody
(01:03:37):
cares.
I want to be online and be ableto say be anti-Semitic and not
be called, and nobody cares.
I want to be online and be ableto put swastikas all over the
place and nobody cares.
And I want to have a certainamount of conspiracy theories
and not let you put labels on meto say I'm fake news, et cetera
(01:03:59):
, et cetera, et cetera.
So Elon bought this platformunder the guidelines of freedom
of speech and the leftimmediately saw that Elon
started banning their accounts,started banning their accounts
(01:04:21):
and I said, as a bit of aChomskyite.
I said uh, remember, chomskysays freedom of speech is for
the speech you detest.
If you do not have the freedomof speech for views you find
deplorable, you don't believe infreedom of speech at all.
So they were silent while theseleft-wingers started to get
their accounts banned and allthis stuff.
And when Elon responded he saidfreedom of speech does not mean
(01:04:46):
freedom of reach Jake Shields,laura Loomer, etc.
Simply because they disagreedwith Elon Musk, who owns the
company, he demonetized them.
(01:05:08):
They can no longer make moneyon the platform.
He immediately took away theirblue check marks, etc.
I'll just say thisno-transcript.
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You need to have the principle,not just when it affects you.
If you believe in the freedomof people to say things that you
disagree with, you need toagree with it and defend views
(01:06:12):
that you don't hold.
There's a famous old poem orditty that I always think of in
this moment and this is howwe're going to end the show.
This is the famous quote fromWorld War II after War II, from
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Nemours.
So Martin Nemours, to beprecise, if you want to listen
to it or look it up.
He was actually lived between1892 to 1984.
He passed away two years beforeI was born.
He was a prominent Lutheranpastor in Germany in the 1920s
and the early 1930s andunfortunately he sympathized
(01:07:13):
with many Nazi ideas and hesupported radical right-wing
political movements.
But after Adolf Hitler came topower in 1933, nemo became an
outspoken critic of Hitler'sinterference, specifically
because it was in Protestantchurches.
He spent the last eight yearsof Nazi rule, from 1937 to 1945,
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and Nazi prisons andconcentration camps.
Nemours is perhaps rememberedfor his post-war statements,
which says this First they camefor the socialist and I did not
speak out because I was not asocialist.
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Then they came for the tradeunionists and I did not speak
out because I was not a tradeunionist.
Then they came for the Jews andI did not speak out because I
was not a Jew.
Then they came for me and therewas no one left to speak for me
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.
Thank you for tuning in andwe'll see you on the next
episode.
Welcome to the Darrell McLean Show.
I'm your host, darrell McLean.
Independent media that won'treinforce tribalism.
We have one planet.
Nobody is leaving, so let usreason together.
I actually recorded a show onyesterday for you guys, but,
being to the horrors oftechnology, you won't be hearing
it.
At any rate, this is episode438.
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Welcome to the new year.
Let's get into the show.
The former president of theUnited States, jimmy Carter, has
passed away on Sunday at theage of 100.
Now, the fascinating thingabout Jimmy Carter was that
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officially made him the longestliving president.
Fun fact, because Jimmy Carterwas America's longest living
president.
Dying at the age of 100 meansthe country is actually only 148
years older than Jimmy Carter148 years older than Jimmy
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Carter.
America is still a very youngcountry and, as we go into the
new year, pray that thecountry's best years have yet to
come.
We're going to talk about alittle bit about the death of
Jimmy Carter today, which issome of the tributes, and we're
(01:37):
going to talk about the glowing,the growing tension that has
been bubbling as H-1B visas.
Let's get into the show Fromnow.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
100 years from now what do you want your legacy to
be?
Speaker 3 (02:02):
When Jimmy Carter was sworn in as the president of
the United States in 1977, thenation was still reeling from a
period of political upheaval.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I came along at a time when Americans still
remembered painfully the liestold and the debacle of
Watergate.
I was outside Washington, I wasnot stigmatized by the mistakes
that had been made in thoseprevious years and I brought a
fresh face of a peanut farmer, aworking man who's for never to
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tell a lie or make a misleadingstatement.
Jimmy Carter from Georgia, Ihope to be the next president.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
When we sat down with President Carter in 2006, he
laid out his vision forAmerica's role in the future and
his concerns about missteps inthe post-9-11 world.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
The announcement and practice of preemptive war, the
complete abandonment of all thenuclear arms control agreements
that were reached.
They claim, in effect, thatprisoners could be mistreated or
tortured or deprived of habeascorpus.
These are some of the thingsthat I think has caused a
deterioration in our country'sbasic stature and integrity.
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I would like to see our countrybe the champion of human rights
and every American embassylooked upon as a haven for those
who suffer from human rightsabuse.
I'd like to see our country bethe most generous on earth.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Who suffer from human rights abuse.
I'd like to see our country bethe most generous on earth.
Jimmy Carter was born in 1924and died in, obviously, 2024.
He was always on the precipiceof thinking about the future,
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and that brings you in alignment, of course, with a lot of
controversy if people are stuckin the past and may not actually
agree with the steps that youthink are going to bring upon
the future.
We're going to talk about atthe end, some of the amazing
things that he did, includingsimple things like that the
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media made a controversy, asthey are known to do.
He turned down the thermostatsin the White House to 65 degrees
because he really believed inclimate change, and he was the
president that put on a sweaterand had the entire press wearing
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sweaters versus blasting theheat.
Uh.
He wrote a book post-presidencyuh, called the uh Palestine
peace, not apartheid, and hetried to.
And this was back in 2007 whenhe went on the show Democracy
(04:51):
Now to speak with the host, amyGoodman, about the Israel and
Palestinian conflict.
The book where he somewhat ifyou look at what we're going
through now he pre-warns aboutwhat would happen if we did not
solve this problem.
He was a sitting president, who, years later, observed what was
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going on because of, of course,during his presidency, there
was a lot of peace talks, etc.
And this is what he had to say.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Why don't Americans know what you have seen?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Americans don't want to know, and many Israelis don't
want to know what is going oninside Palestine.
It's a terrible human rightspersecution that far transcends
what any outsider would imagine,and there are powerful
(05:58):
political forces in America thatprevents any objective analysis
of the problem in the Holy Land.
I think it's accurate to saythat not a single member of
Congress with whom I'm familiarwould possibly speak out and
call for Israel to withdraw totheir legal boundaries or to
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publicize the plight of thePalestinians or even to call
publicly and repeatedly forAgain.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You can go watch that interview in its entirety Jimmy
Carter.
While remembered for hishumanitarian work and diplomacy,
carter's legacy also includeshis fearless critique of the
Israelis' occupation ofPalestine.
As a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, carter was one of the first US
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presidents to publicly denouncethe abuse of Palestinians and
to call for Palestinian rights,warning America about the
powerful force is preventinghonest discussion about Israel.
Americans don't want to knowwhat's happening there, he once
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said, referencing the media andthe political establishments in
America shielding the Americanpublic from the truth.
Carter's advocacy for peaceextended beyond words.
He pushed against apartheidpolicies in the region, even as
he faced backlash for calling itas he saw it.
His commitment to truth andjustice set him apart in a
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political landscape often deniedand defined by the silence on
these issues.
As the world mourns ahumanitarian and peace
advocate's, it is worthrevisiting his courage of
speaking out for those whosevoices have been silenced by the
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American media and by theAmerican foreign policy
establishment.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
They're occupied by two powers.
They're now completelyseparated.
The Palestinians can't evenride on the same roads that the
Israelis have created or builtin Palestinian territory.
The Israelis never see aPalestinian, except the Israeli
soldiers.
The Palestinians never see anIsraeli except in the distance,
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except the Israeli soldiers.
So within Palestinian territorythey're absolutely and totally
separated much worse than theywere in South Africa, by the way
.
And the other thing is theother.
Definition of apartheid is oneside domin, and the other thing
is the other.
Definition of apartheid is oneside dominates the other, and
the Israelis completely dominatethe life of the Palestinian
(08:52):
people.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Why don't Americans know what you have seen?
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Americans don't want to know, and many Israelis don't
want to know what is going oninside Palestine.
It's a terrible human rightspersecution that far transcends
what any outsider would imagine,and there are powerful
(09:23):
political forces in America thatprevents any objective analysis
of the problem in the Holy Land.
I think it's accurate to saythat not a single member of
Congress with which I'm, withwhom I'm familiar, would
possibly speak out and call forIsrael to withdraw to their
legal boundaries or to publicizethe plight of the Palestinians,
(09:50):
or even to call publicly andrepeatedly for good faith peace
talks.
There hadn't been a day ofpeace talks now in more than
seven years.
So this is a taboo subject andI would say that if any member
of Congress did speak out asI've just described, they would
probably not be back intoCongress.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
the next term.
Now, of course, that was backin 2007 when Jimmy Carter said
those things.
When Jimmy Carter said thosethings, he in his 2002 Nobel
(10:35):
Prize speech, when he won theNobel Peace Prize, he said this
very true and prescient quote wewill not learn how to live
together in peace by killingeach other's children.
We will not learn how to livetogether in peace by killing
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each other's children.
And when you look at all theconversations that happened
these past few years when thenew Israeli-Palestinian conflict
(11:20):
iteration popped up this time,see if we can go back to 2007
and juxtapose what we saw andsee was President Carter's
correct.
Look at the powerful lobby,aipac, and how it did everything
it could to silence people inCongress who criticize not
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people but the policies of acountry.
And look at politicians likeCori Bush, et cetera, who you
can go.
Look at the financials, andthey were heavily spent against
(12:08):
by AIPAC, simply because theywere not sufficiently pro-Israel
or because they had madepro-Palestinian comments
comments.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Governor Reagan, as a matter of fact, began his
political career campaigningaround this nation against
Medicare.
Now we have an opportunity tomove toward national health
insurance with an emphasis onthe prevention of disease.
An emphasis on outpatient care,not inpatient care.
An emphasis on hospital costcontainment to hold down the
cost of hospital care for thosewho are ill.
(12:47):
An emphasis on catastrophichealth insurance so that if a
family is threatened with beingwiped out economically because
of a very high medical bill,then the insurance would help
pay for it.
These are the kind of elementsof a national health insurance
important to the American people.
Governor Reagan again,typically, is against such a
proposal.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
There was a snippet from the debate between Jimmy
Carter and former PresidentRonald Reagan where, even though
he lost that election thatre-election, I should say he
already was trying to getAmericans on the path to have a
universal health care.
He, even back then, was talkingabout the insurance companies
(13:33):
and their poor behavior.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Oh my gosh, he was so unique A peanut farmer from
Plains, georgia.
He won the presidency, I think,because he was the un-Nixon.
We'd just gone throughWatergate.
Jimmy Carter said I'll neverlie to you, over and over and
over.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
People think that he was unsuccessful, but he passed
more than most presidents do intwo terms, in one term I had the
best batting average in theCongress in recent history of
any president except for LyndonJohnson.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
He saved every hostage that was held in Iran.
He passed landmark legislation,big things like energy policy
and giving back the Panama Canal, and he put solar panels on the
roof of the White House backthen.
I think he's most proud of thefact that there was peace for
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the four years that he waspresident.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
We never fired a bullet, we never dropped a bomb,
we never launched a missile.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
I think he thought he was a great president.
President Carter's lastinglegacy comes out of his
post-presidency.
No one would disagree that he'sone of the great
post-presidents we've ever had.
He devoted himself to poorpeople.
He built houses for poor people.
He spent his life trying to getrid of certain diseases in
(14:56):
Africa that were killing peopleunnecessarily.
He won the Nobel Peace Prizenot when he was president, but
after he died, knowing that hehad lived a good life and that
he did wonderful things when hewas president.
But after he died, knowing thathe had lived a good life and
that he did wonderful thingswhen he was president.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
What you just heard was commentary from Leslie Stahl
, as she reflected on you tosummarize the life of somebody
who lived so long.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
A lot of us do good acts, but sometimes we don't go
above and beyond what's expectedof a human being.
We don't do a transcendentthing expected of a human being.
We don't do a transcendentthing.
We don't analyze our own livesto see what can I do?
That's above and beyond thecall of duty as a mother or as a
father or as a grandfather likeme.
What is it that is precious inmemory?
And the main point is thatthese are the simplest things in
(15:57):
life.
They're the relationshipbetween one person and another
person.
It's not something that getsyour name in the paper or makes
you, you know, exalted, or makesyou money.
It's the kind of thing that 20or 40 years later, you still
remember as a preciousexperience.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
How do you want to be remembered?
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Well, that's uh, with my family.
I hope I could be remembered byas a good great grandfather and
a good grandfather and a goodfather my wife.
I hope I can be remembered as agood great-grandfather and a
good grandfather and a goodfather my wife.
I hope I can be remembered as agood husband, but in politics,
as a champion of peace and humanrights.
I was lucky enough to keep ourcountry at peace for the four
years that I served and we were,I think, looked upon as a
(16:42):
champion of human rights then.
So that's the two things Iguess, politically speaking, I'm
proud of.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
We're going to end this segment on the former
president, jimmy Carter, withjust a few snips of his general
speeches most memorable, Ishould say, and because
everybody knows I'm an economicessentialist, it's what I think
about the most.
I'm going to say this lastquote that I always thought
about when I heard Jimmy Cartersay it and it's what I've always
(17:18):
believed, it's what SenatorBernie Sanders says and it's
actually going to tip into whatwe have to talk about in the
next segment.
And jimmy carter said, and Iquote the us is an oligarchy
with unlimited political bribery.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Rest in peace our social and political progress
has been based on onefundamental principle the value
and importance of the individual.
Based on this knowledge ofGeorgia, north and South, rural
and urban, liberal andconservative, I say to you quite
(18:01):
frankly that the time forracial discrimination is over.
These are not just my goals,and they will not be my
accomplishments, but theaffirmation of our nation's
continuing moral strength.
Human identity is no longerdefined by what one does but by
(18:29):
what one owns.
But we've discovered thatowning things and consuming
things does not satisfy ourlonging for meaning.
War may sometimes be anecessary evil, but no matter
(18:52):
how necessary, it is always evil, never a good.
America did not invent humanrights In a very real sense.
It's the other way around Humanrights invented America.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Weeding into the next topic.
We're going to talk about thisvisa program.
Okay, and let me layer thisconversation with some truth
here.
Growing up in Jacksonville,Florida, I would like to say the
great state of Florida we hadto always deal with certain
(19:31):
levels of immigration, legal andillegal.
So because of America's wantingto fight socialism or the Red
Scare or whatever, wherever theycould find it, when the United
States saw that Fidel Castrooverthrew then leader of Cuba
(19:59):
Batista, what ended up happeningis there was a law still
actually maybe on the bookswhere people who were coming
from Cuba who landed in Americaimmediately became American
citizens.
It was widely known that mostpeople who came from Cuba were
(20:24):
for just geographical purposes,were going to hit Florida and
get automatic citizenship.
As growing up, I saw howinherently propagandizing the
policy was.
Obviously these people fleeingsocialist Castro, fleeing
(20:45):
socialist Cuba to come tofreedom-loving America.
That was kind of the propaganda.
I noticed the hypocrisy in thepolicy when I would see my
friends from which I did have,from the Dominican Republic, who
had escaped or I left Dominicaand come to America, had escaped
or I left Dominica and come toAmerica the fact that they had
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American soil.
They did not become citizens.
They had just as many skills asthe people from Cuba, but that
did not matter.
I saw it happening with peoplefrom Haiti.
I saw people in Florida fromPuerto Rico, which Puerto Rico
is.
Puerto Ricans are Americans,you know but I saw the way that
(21:26):
they were treated differentlyand this is what launched my
views, my thoughts aboutimmigration.
I watched when there was amassive influx of Haitians into
Florida for humanitarianpurposes.
They were in florida legally,but I did see how.
(21:50):
I think I talked about this in amaybe not this show, but I did
a guest spot on over opinionated, the show over opinionated,
with josh scott.
Please give josh a chance.
It's a conservative show, um,but he's very soft-spoken and he
does try to give it a.
You know, give the other side afair thought, a fair shot.
I should say um, I guess hostedand I talked about how
(22:11):
difficult it was when the influxof haitian um migrants came to
florida and how we had to dealwith just the cultural
differences, even when we weretrying to deal with it in the
church and some of the practicesthat they had with voodoo and
things like that, and it was.
(22:32):
It does shock a culture.
I'll just stop say that lightthere.
But there has always been abubbling around the surfaces
about what and who type ofpeople could come into America.
(22:55):
There's always been a debateabout why somebody fails and why
somebody succeeds in America.
It's always been one of thesekind of debates about the type
of immigrant or why you failed.
(23:16):
What is going to happen?
How can we protect Americanworkers when American
manufacturing has left thecountry In jumps?
What I'm going to call theglobalist and what I mean by
globalist?
I'm going to say that theirthoughts are not primarily with
(23:41):
the American workers.
They are multi-nationals andthey are also technocrats.
They are tech billionaires andthe companies that they have and
the capital they have access toit is global and their thinking
(24:03):
is not primarily with theUnited States of America.
Their thinking is global andtheir thinking is not primarily
with the United States ofAmerica.
Their thinking is global like aglobalist Of themselves.
They are also business ownersand therefore they also have
succeeded enough because of theframe of business that they own
(24:27):
to become billionaires.
We talked on this show beforeabout how money is not moral or
immoral.
It is amoral.
It has no loyalty.
(24:51):
Pops us to this immigrationfight about what is known as H1B
visas.
So Elon Musk, in his relentlesspursuit to become the world's
richest man, used a lot of h1bvisas.
If you go, look at the actualpeople who are a part of the
(25:13):
trump base, um, they're.
They have a critique ofimmigration and immigration
policy.
That is not just about thepeople in Springfield, et cetera
.
Uh, who came in through the um.
(25:36):
That would have been the systemof the.
You know, claiming refugeesthere is.
H-1b visas are people with jobsthat are normally you need a
degree to do it.
It is a high level ofspecificity and these are
(25:58):
foreign workers who come intoAmerica to normally work in the
tech sector.
They will normally have abachelor's degree and up and
they will be normally in thesesectors.
Now Laura Loomer, who is aconservative, far, far right
(26:21):
journalist, critiqued the this,this program, and I'm going to
let you hear Laura in her ownwords eventually, laura in her
own words, you know, eventuallyand this is a program that Elon
actually believes in and creditshimself um, in my opinion,
(26:43):
wrongly on um saying this uh,elon actually says on his the
platform that he uses capital tobuy.
Elon says the reason I am inAmerica along with so many
critical people who built SpaceX, tesla and hundreds of other
(27:04):
companies that made Americastrong is because of H-1B visas.
Take a big step back and go fyourself in the face.
I will go to war on this issue,the likes of which you cannot
possibly comprehend.
Now look this um was hisresponse to um laura loomer.
(27:31):
But let me tell you frankly thepeople who don't know the
reason why Elon Musk supportsH-1B visas programs has nothing
to do about Elon giving a shitAbout people with brown skin or
labor or blah, blah, blah.
It is about cheap profits andand, and that is it.
(27:58):
This has been a growing fightthat republicans were bound to
have because, uh, republicanprovocateurs and lawyer and
culture this is a part wherepeople like her actually uh are
on the right side of this whohave called h1b visas for years
for what I think they were.
(28:18):
It gives them a this power ofalmost indentured servitude.
This was a fight that barackobama had to have with steve
jobs, where steve jobs toldbarack obama the reason why
Apple does not hire engineers inAmerica.
He claimed that Americansdidn't have enough engineers.
(28:40):
People on my side of theeconomic aisle have always said
that was a scam and it was a lieand it was actually predicated
on the fact that the engineersthat they would get from India
and Asia and from the PacificIslands, that they were not
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asked for the wages that theAmerican engineers were going to
ask for.
So you have these people withthese high skilled degrees doing
these high skilled work andthey're making $40,000, $50,000
when the American engineer,rightfully, rightfully, would be
demanding at least $75,000,$80,000, maybe $90,000 a year.
(29:22):
That is the type of problemthat this H-1B visa kind of
created.
Now here's something that alsowe're gonna have to jump into.
Elon musk is not actuallytelling the truth on this h1b
(29:46):
visa situation about his ownimmigration status, right, and
this goes back to a conversationthat it's kind of enhanced.
So you know this comes fromhasim mezua, pmp and you can go
look it up yourself and do yourown research.
And he responded to elon andsaid elon musk did not come in
(30:13):
the United States on a H-1B visa.
He illegally came here,scamming his way on a student
visa, the F-1.
And he never used it.
He violated the terms to workthe terms to work.
(30:33):
His constant lies about hisorigin story are just to lecture
folks there to protect himselffrom deportation and avoid the
massive fines and maybe evenasset seizures that could follow
an investigation because Eloncommitted a massive fraud by not
(30:54):
using the F1, which it wasappropriate.
The architect of, you know, someof the Trump's pulse on the
(31:15):
base of the party is SteveBannon and, uh, the lower lumers
, whether whether you like it ornot, and he has been very long
critical of Elon, not just forthe H H1B visas, but for Anybody
(31:37):
that knows anything about SteveBannon, you're going to know he
is going to be against the whatwe would call the globalists,
and so he has been hitting heavyElon for a very long time
Because he sees Elon as as afraud who is trying to basically
(31:59):
take over the Republican Partyvia scam because he has access
to a certain amount of capital.
Now, believe it or not, this iswhat I've also thought about
Elon Musk for a very long periodof time, because I remember you
know, I followed him on X andall the stuff like that and I
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remember watching and reading apost where Elon said Donald
Trump will be 82 at the end ofyou know a term or something
like that.
You know a term or somethinglike that.
Paraphrasing here, he said he'snot.
That is too old to be a chiefexecutive of anything, let alone
the president of the UnitedStates.
(32:43):
Now that was Elon saying DonaldTrump is too old to be the
president, too old to be runningrunning anything.
And then he's going to turnaround and act like he is some
type of um.
I'll just say, act like he wassome type of hero and I, I, just
(33:06):
I.
I I'm going to get into this abit more, but I, but I think
that people don't recognize thatbillionaires for the most part
are apolitical people.
They just, they just want apolicy to work, especially if
they're business owners.
But I think that people don'trecognize that billionaires for
the most part are apoliticalpeople.
They just want a policy to work, especially if they're business
owners.
They are just trying to getfavorable policies for their
specific business and they'reactually not interested in how
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it affects the subset ofpopulation.
They're worried about how itaffects them and their business
interests.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Period people that he keeps blocked off there, myself
including.
Not that I want to go on there,oh yeah, no, no, he's owned.
He's owned by the chinesecommunist party.
What are you talking about?
Tesla?
His only sense of only thing ofreal value is tesla, he.
He uses it for margin loans.
He sells the stock.
The shanghai joint venture is100, controlled by the ccp.
This is why this is why he nevergoes after the ccp.
(33:57):
This is why he always backs off.
This is when they had the, theprotest.
They had the protest about thelockdowns of covid.
He what he will not do it.
Elon musk is a total andcomplete phony.
He is in bed in a businessparty.
He's done some good stuff, butletting stuff out uh, you know
with taib, you know others isfine, but he is owned lock,
stock and barrel by the chinesethat.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
That's when he says ccp, for people who don't are
not aware, he's talking aboutthe chinese communist party and
um, I don't, I don't thinkanybody can deny, even with the,
the government funding billthat Elon just blocked.
Everybody knows that, that wasin the know, would know that
that was not about the spendingbill.
(34:40):
There were some heavyprovisions on China, and when
you put heavy provisions on the,the, the China, they are.
That was going to affect Teslaand Elon did everything he could
to stop that bill from comingforward.
(35:01):
And once the stuff about Chinawas taken out, he supported the
bill.
He of course said oh yes, thiswas a, etc.
Etc, etc, um.
But uh, it wasn't, it was aboutTesla.
(35:24):
So this is sparked the full onwar about these visas, why
people support him, etc.
Etc.
Um, and who they should.
(35:44):
And this is what was.
This was bound to happen.
I was because when I was growingup, they always had this
narrative that there was acertain subset of people in the
state of Florida that werefailing, and it had nothing to
(36:06):
do with systemic problems.
It was about them.
It was about them.
It was about them.
It was about them, it was abouttheir personal behavior.
And then there was another groupof us that talked about.
It's actually not about that.
It is about a bunch of low wagejobs because of this heavy
(36:31):
influx of Migrant workers, andwhen you would bring up stuff
like that, you would honestly belabeled as a racist, a bigot
and a xenophobe.
And there was a certain subsetof the Republican Party and even
(37:07):
some libertarians who used toalways say if you're not rich
and successful, etc.
Blame yourself.
They were not interested in thestructural critiques about what
shipping in a bunch of lowskilled workers were doing to
the economy.
Now they're seeing that whathappens when you ship in a bunch
of high skilled workers andwhat that is or did do to the
(37:30):
economy is or did do to theeconomy.
Steve Bannon has been goingafter Elon on these issues for a
very long time and he has a lotto say.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
There have been some people and as I put up stuff, I
said, steve, we have to have agroup hug.
No, no, this is central to howthey gutted the middle class in
this country and we haven'tfought these battles over years
and years and years to allowAmerican citizens of every race,
ethnicity, religion be guttedby the sociopathic overlords in
(38:08):
Silicon Valley.
So, no, david Sachs and VivekRamaswamy and Elon Musk, no,
you're complete collapse and youthink, oh, we're just trying to
reform it, we're just trying tohave a conversation, we want to
reform it.
No, there's no reformation, noreform.
We want it gone.
We demand that it's gone.
We're going to fight for thisand not just gone.
I've got another alternative.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
We want reparations for the tech workers that you
stole their lives.
This started, like I said.
This started a a big fight inuh the modern day republicans,
with even uh uh people like aformer mma fighter, a podcaster,
uh summit column, if nonationalist uh, jake shields uh
coming on and saying we areliving, we are giving our
low-wage jobs to Mexicans andSalvadorians while giving our
(38:58):
high-paying jobs to Indians andChinese.
He was responded to by anotherhost of a big show, patrick Bett
Daveman.
He's also a CEO and businessmanand businessman and he um
(39:18):
responded and saying so you wantme to not hire high performing,
hard-working and skilledindians and you want me to hire
an american, even if that personis not capable, lack skills and
are entitled.
So you do support diversity,equity and, conclusion, you do
support DEI.
I thought you hated it.
(39:40):
Now this is what we get to.
What I was trying to talk to youabout this before, there's
always been this playful notionthat America was meritocratic
and every way you do andeverything you're going to do to
get up has to be meritocracy.
(40:00):
And in that post, jake Shieldskind of says wait a minute, wait
a minute.
It's not necessarily aboutmeritocracy, it's about
protecting the American worker.
I've always said you cannothave both.
You cannot have protectionismand meritocracy.
You cannot have protectionismwhen meritocracy because the
(40:21):
capital by itself is not goingto allow the best talent to come
forward, it's going to allowthe cheapest talent to come
(40:46):
forward.
That's always been the game.
Ever since america got rid offree labor, which we know as
slavery, the American businessmodel has been doing everything
it can to find cheap laborconstantly.
That is the American businessmodel.
(41:07):
How can I get a good product onthe cheapest way possible?
And the most cheapest productthat I want, and I want for the
longest time, is how can I getthe cheapest labor, the cheapest
worker?
How can I make you make mycompany millions of dollars and
(41:30):
not pay you millions of dollars?
How can I make you make me amillionaire while you live below
the poverty line?
It's always been that way.
Now people on the right havejust started to notice it.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
There's some racism over there.
You white folks go look at that.
That's a Fox specialty.
We don't fall for that.
So don't think you're going tocome back, and oh you know what.
Well, what we need to do isincrease it here and cut that
cost there.
Screw you, you clown, and thenyou're going to suppress us.
(42:10):
Oh, they're, I don't know,blacklisting you.
Whatever they're doing, I don'tcare what they do on Twitter, I
could care less.
We're banned on every platformin the world and this show is
one of the most powerful in theworld.
Why is that?
Because the content of thisshow resonates with the most
powerful audience in the world,working men and women that
happen to be citizens of thisgreat republic, that happen to
(42:37):
be citizens of this greatrepublic.
This is a defining moment.
Some of the people say, oh,steve, we've got to have a group
hug.
You can't do this and let theDemocrats no, no, we're not
having group hugs, we're nothaving pats on the head.
You've got to get this straightFirst off.
(42:58):
You've got to get hey.
I've said many times that Eloncame and Elon's money helped
organize the grassroots of it.
In his engineering mind, he sawwhat the problem was as we saw
it and he supported it and forthat he gets a place at the
table.
There's no doubt you should.
It's a quarter of a billiondollars in June, not an entire
cycle in five months.
But that dinner with Saks andthat check from Elon came at
(43:22):
Biden's.
You know.
When Biden, you know, in thedebate or right before the
debate, and Biden, you know,they kind of saw the numbers of
where this thing was heading.
They're recent converts.
We love converts.
Hell, I'm a Catholic.
We used to be in the convertbusiness.
Not so much anymore.
We can't keep what we got.
But in the old days, you know,half the saints are missionaries
(43:44):
we love and converts.
But the converts sit in theback and study for years and
years and years and make sureyou understand the faith and you
understand the nuances of thefaith and understand how you can
internalize the faith.
Don't come up and go to thepulpit in your first week here
and start lecturing people aboutthe way things are going to be.
(44:06):
If you're going to do that,we're going to get and we're
going to rip your face offbecause you can't beat us.
We're not beatable.
This army of the awakened isnot beatable because we're
relentless and we will neversurrender and we will never slow
down and, yes, if you go low,we'll go to the center of the
(44:27):
earth, because we're fightingfor something that means
something.
We have meaning in this.
This is why people watch theshow, this is why people come to
the show and all this greatcontent people provide us and
Ben Berkham's down now, puttinghis life in danger again why do
people do this?
(44:47):
Why have they done this foryears?
Why did they do it for years?
At Breitbart, when Trumpstarted appearing in 13 and 14,
we said that's the guy.
When Trump started appearing in13 and 14, we said that's the
guy.
Visa program is a total andcomplete scam concocted by the
lords of easy money on WallStreet and the oligarchs in
(45:07):
Silicon Valley.
The citizens in this countryare what provided the platform
for you nerds even to exist.
We're not gonna take thetemperature down.
We're not gonna take thetemperature down.
Oh no, oh no, oh no.
We do not.
It's no backing down, it'sdoubling down.
This is Elon Musk.
The reason I'm in America, alongwith so many critical people
(45:27):
who built SpaceX, tesla andhundreds of other companies that
made America strong is becauseof H1B.
That made America strong isbecause of H-1B.
Take a big step back and Fyourself all caps in the face.
F yourself in the face.
(45:49):
I will go to war on this issue,the likes of which you cannot
possibly comprehend.
Oh yeah, tough guy, you'regonna go to war on the likes of
which you cannot possiblycomprehend.
You're a man child.
The H1B visa program is a totaland complete scam concocted by
the lords of easy money on WallStreet and the oligarchs in
Silicon Valley to both,initially, to just increase
(46:13):
profit margins.
But there's a darker element toit today, a contempt of America
and American citizens, andwe're not going to tolerate it.
We need to honor this countryand you need to honor the
citizens in this country.
The citizens in this countryare what provided the platform
for you nerds even to exist,because, in the predatory nature
(46:37):
, the darwinian environment ofthe world as it is, you would
have already been crushed anddestroyed so during the campaign
, uh, trump was rolling aroundwith this uh journalist, uh,
somewhat a new, new and culturestyle provocateur, um, maybe a
bit more ridiculous and unhinged, and her name is laura loomer.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Laura loomer got into this conversation and this is
kind of what sparked it.
Right, and, as crazy andconspiratorial as she may be, I
want you to listen to what Laurasays, because you may find
yourself in agreement to withLaura, and this is what makes
(47:28):
this conversation morecomplicated and difficult than
we would actually like it to be.
Speaker 6 (47:33):
What is it going to mean for the future of our
country, our national securityand the incoming Trump
administration if we have abunch of technocrats who are
also essentially welfare queensbecause their companies are
receiving government subsidiesand they want to take over our
defense industry?
If you have a bunch of techbros with billions of dollars
(47:54):
and direct, unfettered access tothe vice president and the
president of the United States,and then they are also, you know
, very cordial with ouradversaries, as in China and
Iran.
We see that Elon Musk is havingthese meetings off the books
with Iranian officials, withChinese officials.
What does that mean for us andthe future of our constitutional
(48:14):
repel?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
what does that mean for us and the future of our
constitutional repel?
Good, so here's where I come inand I and I'm gonna fly under
my true flag about what, what Isay, that I am and what I
believe.
Like I said before, everyoneknows I'm an economic
existentialist.
Everyone knows that in thepolitical sense of my own
(48:38):
political beliefs, what Ibelieve, not necessarily what I
always say.
There's a lot of camps, whetheryou are a conservative, whether
you're a conservativeRepublican, a centrist, a
democrat, a liberal, aprogressive, a green partier, a
(49:02):
socialist, a democraticsocialist, etc.
Etc.
A libertarian, aconstitutionalist, and we can
kind of go on and on.
Are you a narco-capitalist Inthat camp?
I am a narco-cynicalist.
(49:22):
I've always have been in spirit, not necessarily in practice,
because in practice when anarco-cynicalism comes to
America, as close as I'm goingto be able to get to, it is
going to be some form oflibertarianism.
So I always sometimes say smallC conservative, big L
(49:43):
libertarian.
Maybe I'll do a show one day ona narco-cynicalism.
But in that vein we always talkabout things like monarchy,
oligarchy, plutocracy.
Those are fundamentally what wewould call leftist terms.
(50:04):
When was the last time youheard the word oligarchy?
And you hear it often in theAmerican media.
In the American media, when youlook at, do a quick search of
who uses the word the most whenit comes to the American
landscape, it's DemocraticSocialist Dr Cornel West and
(50:28):
Democratic Socialist Senatorfrom Vermont, bernie Sanders.
They are always talking aboutoligarchy, bernie Sanders.
They are always talking aboutoligarchy.
Cornel West will actually talkabout oligarchy and plutocracy.
This is the rise of theAmerican Uniparty Alliance,
(50:49):
because now you have SteveBannon, who is no left-winger,
and Laura Lundemar, who is noleft-winger.
Using words like oligarchy,plutocracy and monarchy is a
(51:13):
critique of a certain type ofcapitalism.
Now, when you go look up thoseterms where they are coming from
, they're generally leftistterms, leftist ideas, leftist
narratives.
Now, what makes thisconversation more interesting
(51:34):
about what I said aboutglobalism etc.
Is somebody who I think is veryintelligent, articulate,
well-spoken, popped into thisconversation presidential
candidate and small governmentcrusader, billionaire and
(51:55):
technocrat, vivek Ramaswamy.
And what Vivek did when hestepped into this conversation
is almost drop a weapons gradeside nuclear bomb into the
conversation.
Because what Vivek did is whatconservatives have done for
years.
(52:15):
He went after American culture.
Vivek says the reason top techcompanies often hire
foreign-born andfirst-generation engineers over
native-born Americans isn'tbecause of an innate American IQ
(52:40):
deficit, ie lazy and wrongexplanation.
A key part of it comes down tothe C word culture.
Tough questions demand toughanswers and if we are really
serious about facing the problem, we have to confront the truth.
Our American culture hasvenerated mediocrity over
(53:04):
excellence for way too long, atleast since the 90s and likely
longer.
That doesn't start in college,it starts young.
A culture that celebrates promqueens over the math Olympia
champ or the jock over thevaledictorian will not produce
the best engineers.
(53:25):
A culture that venerates Coreyfrom Boy Meets World or Zach
from Slater over Screech andSaved by the Bell, or Stefan
over Steve Urkel and FamilyMatters will not produce the
best engineers.
Fact I know multiple sets ofimmigrant parents in the 90s who
actively limited how much theirkids could watch those TV shows
(53:48):
, precisely because theypromoted mediocrity and their
kids went on to become wildlysuccessful STEM graduates.
More movies like White Splash,fewer reruns of Friends, more
math tutoring, fewer sleepovers,more weekend science
(54:10):
competitions, fewer Saturdaymorning cartoons, more books,
less TV, more creating, lesschilling, more extracurriculars,
less hanging out at the mall.
Most normal American parentslook skeptically at those kind
of parents.
More normal Americans kind ofview such those kinds of kids
(54:31):
with scorn.
If you grew up expiring tonormalcy, normalcy is what you
will achieve.
Now close your eyes andvisualize which families you
knew in the 90s or even now whoraised their kids according to
the model versus the other.
Brutal, honest Normalcy does notcut it in a hyper-competitive
(54:54):
global market for technicaltalent, and if we pretend like
it does, we will have our asseshanded to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment.
We've awakened from a slumberbefore and we can do it again.
Trump's election hopefullymarks the beginning of a new
(55:15):
golden era in America, but onlyif our culture fully wakes up, a
culture that can once againprioritize achievement over
normalcy, excellence overmediocrity, nerdiness over
conformity, hard work overlaziness.
That's the work we have to cutout for us, rather than the
wallowing in victimhood and justwishing our legislating
(55:36):
alternative hiring practicesinto existence.
I'm confident we can do thisnow.
This is why this was socontroversial, because it rings
so much truth of theconservative critique of what
conservatives for years asubsection of conservatives for
years have said, that specificthing about certain groups in
(55:58):
America.
Anytime you point out anythingsystemic, the answer you get is
about single parent families andso on and so forth.
Where was the father?
What about education?
And then, if you do everythingthat you are allegedly supposed
(56:20):
to do, guess what happens?
They'll say oh, you were overlyeducated.
You went to college, you gotthese degrees and the college
didn't pan out for you, and soon and so forth.
It is a never-ending cycle ofexcuses because they don't want
to deal with the systemicproblems that face us all.
(56:40):
And now that that chicken hascome home to root and that dog
is not trying to hunt, becausenow that the tech no crats are
leaving the Democratic Party andthey are shifted over to the
(57:01):
Republican Party.
It is just a matter of factthat Vivek used to be a Democrat
.
It is a matter of fact thatDonald Trump was a Democrat for
the longest portion of his adultlife.
It is a matter of fact thatElon Musk was on the left for a
longest portion of his adultlife.
It is a matter of fact thatElon Musk was on the left for a
long portion of his life.
And all those people that I justnamed have two things in common
(57:27):
they are all billionaires.
They are all college educated,they all went to the top, elite
universities.
They are not like the majorityof the people they cosplay to be
(57:49):
representing, and the toughthing that they're saying in
this thing is is is is theconversation that we have to
have, because now those samepeople who used to be moderately
somewhere on the left we couldjust say in the Democratic Party
(58:10):
who used to actually believe alot of the reasons you were
failing is because you werestupid, they have now shifted to
the right and guess what theyare still saying.
They are now saying to peopleon the right we are not going to
hire you because you are toostupid, you didn't go to school,
(58:33):
you didn't get the advanceddegree and we're not going to
train you.
Elon Musk even liked a post itsaid somewhat.
It said something like the techright is arguing with the
normal right about jobs and thetech right is saying we need
these jobs from these workers,from, I would just say, former
(58:54):
nationals.
And then the right right issaying we need these jobs from
these workers from, I would justsay, former nationals.
And then the right right issaying well, why won't you train
us?
And then the tech right issaying because you're retarded
and we can't fix you beingretarded.
Elon Musk said that was true,the richest person in the world,
so de facto the richest personin the United States of America,
(59:17):
somebody who helped fund theTrump campaign, these two people
who are over Doge, theDepartment of Government
Efficiency, vivac, and Elon Musk, is now looking down on the
American worker on the right andsaying we can't help you, you
(59:40):
are a bunch of idiots and that'snot going to go over.
Well, but that is what it isboiling down to A full on civil
Civil war of type Is going tohave to happen In the Republican
Party.
Is it has to happen In theDemocratic Party?
(01:00:03):
Because this is about Labor and,of course, immigration Is a
piece of it.
It's a big piece and I alwayshave said and it is because
labor is not necessarily global,like money is global, and when
(01:00:31):
labor becomes a global issue,and when labor becomes a global
issue, the labor that becomesglobal is through ways of
immigration, whether that isillegal immigration or whether
that is refugee immigration,whether that is the visa
situation.
And when people come there is asuppression by the very nature
(01:00:56):
of the wages and that doesaffect the local population.
And when people who own thingsdon't want to deal with what
that does to the localpopulation.
We constantly have theseclashes and the clashes is not
going to stop, but this issomething that it is staring
(01:01:18):
Donald Trump right in the face.
Donald Trump came out for forall intent and purposes and
agreed with Elon Musk.
Now that doesn't mean anything,because during his
administration, donald Trump wason the other side of the issue.
But Donald Trump also said thathe uses S-1B visas on his
(01:01:40):
properties and when you go lookit up, that's not the case.
Trump uses S-2 visas on hisproperty because he hires people
in the sector of hospitality,the sector of hospitality.
So your cookers, your cleaners,your people who are going to
cut your grass or be yourwaiters he's not hiring S1B
(01:02:06):
visas people you know in thetech industry.
So Trump tried to weigh in,obviously didn't say the correct
terminology, but basically, youknow he went on a podcast when
he was running for presidentlast year and he said I wish
(01:02:27):
that every degree came with agreen card attached to it.
Donald Trump, categorically, ison the side of the other
billionaires and this issue isnot going away.
I'm going to end on this.
(01:02:48):
One other note.
Elon Musk, of course, boughtTwitter, now known as X x, and
the numbers are somewhat out.
We could see that that twittertanked, but I don't really care
about that aspect.
We could see that it is now 70percent loss since he bought the
company.
My critique is he bought itunder the banner of freedom of
(01:03:14):
speech.
Now I knew and I told peoplethere's no such thing as freedom
of speech.
Now I knew and I told peoplethere's no such thing as freedom
of speech in these techindustries.
Freedom of speech when you hearthat word thrown around is kind
of a pejorative, for I want tobe able to say the most
reprehensible shit and not beheld accountable for it.
I want to be able to get onlineand say the N-word and nobody
(01:03:37):
cares.
I want to be online and be ableto say be anti-Semitic and not
be called, and nobody cares.
I want to be online and be ableto put swastikas all over the
place and nobody cares.
And I want to have a certainamount of conspiracy theories
and not let you put labels on meto say I'm fake news, et cetera
(01:03:59):
, et cetera, et cetera.
So Elon bought this platformunder the guidelines of freedom
of speech and the leftimmediately saw that Elon
started banning their accounts,started banning their accounts
(01:04:21):
and I said, as a bit of aChomskyite.
I said uh, remember, chomskysays freedom of speech is for
the speech you detest.
If you do not have the freedomof speech for views you find
deplorable, you don't believe infreedom of speech at all.
So they were silent while theseleft-wingers started to get
their accounts banned and allthis stuff.
And when Elon responded he saidfreedom of speech does not mean
(01:04:46):
freedom of reach Jake Shields,laura Loomer, etc.
Simply because they disagreedwith Elon Musk, who owns the
company, he demonetized them.
(01:05:08):
They can no longer make moneyon the platform.
He immediately took away theirblue check marks, etc.
I'll just say thisno-transcript.
(01:05:50):
You need to have the principle,not just when it affects you.
If you believe in the freedomof people to say things that you
disagree with, you need toagree with it and defend views
(01:06:12):
that you don't hold.
There's a famous old poem orditty that I always think of in
this moment and this is howwe're going to end the show.
This is the famous quote fromWorld War II after War II, from
(01:06:46):
Nemours.
So Martin Nemours, to beprecise, if you want to listen
to it or look it up.
He was actually lived between1892 to 1984.
He passed away two years beforeI was born.
He was a prominent Lutheranpastor in Germany in the 1920s
and the early 1930s andunfortunately he sympathized
(01:07:13):
with many Nazi ideas and hesupported radical right-wing
political movements.
But after Adolf Hitler came topower in 1933, nemo became an
outspoken critic of Hitler'sinterference, specifically
because it was in Protestantchurches.
He spent the last eight yearsof Nazi rule, from 1937 to 1945,
(01:07:33):
and Nazi prisons andconcentration camps.
Nemours is perhaps rememberedfor his post-war statements,
which says this First they camefor the socialist and I did not
speak out because I was not asocialist.
(01:07:57):
Then they came for the tradeunionists and I did not speak
out because I was not a tradeunionist.
Then they came for the Jews andI did not speak out because I
was not a Jew.
Then they came for me and therewas no one left to speak for me
(01:08:23):
.
Thank you for tuning in andwe'll see you on the next
episode.
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