The focus of this episode is the exploration of spirituality and the practices embraced by the millennial generation through my discussion with Carolyn Ulrich, a practitioner who engages with various spiritual modalities. We delve into her personal journey toward mediumship, examining the formative experiences that ignited her passion for tarot, astrology, and energy work. Throughout our discussion, we reflect on the generational differences in attitudes toward spirituality, particularly how Carolyn’s upbringing differs from my own experiences as a member of Generation X. The conversation further uncovers the profound emotional connections that arise during mediumship, particularly in the context of grief and the healing process. As we navigate these intricate themes, we invite our listeners to contemplate their own spiritual paths and the transformative power of connecting with the other side.
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Today I welcome Carolyn Ulrichto the show.
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Well, Carolyn, welcome to the show.
Hi.
Thanks for having me.
Well, just I met you, I did myresearch on tarot readers specifically
because I was having an eventand I wanted somebody that was great
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at their craft.
And you're, you're actuallythe person that stood at the top
of all of the suggestions thatwere sent to me.
And so I asked you to come bea part of the event that we had this
last week.
And, and I just, I really likeyour energy.
You're very grounding inenergy and so I just wanted to give
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you that feedback.
And you also seem very openbut not a doormat.
And I like that energy in aperson compliment.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I'm so sad I didn't get ataste any of the, the vodka though,
so that it will come.
I have a feeling that we'llget together again and you will taste
that vodka.
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So, so tell us when, whendrawn to.
And I know there's, you'resort of a jack of all trades.
You do a lot under theumbrella of the ethereal mediumship,
astrology, tarot.
Is that right?
Am I correct in that?
Yeah.
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And I do, I don't really shareenergy work, but I still teach energy
work.
Okay, so when, how old wereyou when you were first drawn to
either the other side or youwanted your first deck of cards or
got the scrolls and the littleastrology vending machines as a kid
to read your own astrology.
Like, how did it unfold for you?
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You know, I still can't walkby one of those machines with a guy
where you put the dollar inand get the little.
I have them in my wallet.
I can't.
It's like a compulsion.
I'm like, I have to get one.
I actually still have crystalsthat I got when I was a little girl
that I remember getting when Iwas, you know, second, third grade.
Crystal.
I got my first tarot deck whenI was in high school.
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At 16, I went to my firstpsychic fair.
I remember I was 14.
I was a freshman in highschool, and an older gentleman just
took my palm as I walked byhim and started telling me my fortune.
And he told me one day Iwouldn't be there.
And I was like, I'm so freakedout because I was 14, you know?
Yeah.
And, of course, I was themiddle school girl who did the lightest
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of feathers, stiff as a board.
The craft came out when I wasin, like, fifth grade.
So, yeah, I mean, I probablystarted collecting crystals and rocks,
like, in first and second grade.
But my first, like, actualdivination was in high school, about
16.
That's when I got my firsttarot deck.
Okay, so that's about right.
Hormones start kicking in,your abilities get sent up through
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the roof.
I had.
Was it Rachel on from the Craft?
Joe.
She.
She has a tarot deck.
Yeah, I had her on the show as well.
She's very cool.
So.
And that.
That was a cult for many andespecially your generation, I would
say.
Oh, I remember the day I gotto watch it.
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You're like, I really do.
So how did your family feelabout you being into sort of the
occult or the other side?
You know, I was just telling afriend the other day that I was raised
going to church every Sunday,and I was forced to go to confirmation
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for two years in middleschool, but we never talked about
God or Jesus or anybody in our house.
We didn't talk about religionat all.
It was just, like, presentedon a platter, and we were not told
what to do with it.
And, of course, I rebelled andwas kicked out of Sunday school and
midweek school and all of the things.
My mom still has nightmaresabout getting pulled out of adult
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studies to come get me.
So I don't really remember asa judgment around me, like, being
different or anything like that.
As a kid, I got in a lot oftrouble at school just from the way
that I spoke to adults andbeing wise beyond my years.
My parents actually always dida really good job at knowing that
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I did better with positivereinforcement, and they never made
me feel bad or different.
I did when I started teaching.
I remember telling my mom whenmy dad passed, I was watching old
videos from my childhood, andI'm clearly, like, in the corner
of the video talking toanimals or talking to trees, and
I Told my mom, I said, man, asan educator, if I would have had
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me as a student, I would havethought I was very special.
And my mom looked me dead inthe eyes and said, oh, we knew that
you were very special.
So I think that they were very gentle.
I had two very wonderful parents.
Even the more as I got intoadulthood, my mom, I think that she
really just saw that I washappy and what.
That.
What I was doing, and the morethat I was able to build a career
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around it.
She was just.
She never really thought itwas possible to make money doing
something that you love andthat you felt passionate about.
And I remember her atThanksgiving one year, like, speaking
that praise, how she was sohappy that I could do that.
And slowly I've kind of drugher into this side, if you will.
And now she participates andasks me questions and things like
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that.
My dad passed right around thebeginning of me really doing it for
a living.
So other than him being a verypositive guy to me on the other side,
never got anything from him.
You know, I'm a very tall,very loud, outspoken person, so not
a lot of people like to goagainst what I say, even if they
don't believe it.
So most of it said behind my back.
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If anything, you know, you'relike, I hear you.
Yeah.
Yeah, I did.
I know that my grandma didn'tnecessarily feel the best about it,
and she kind of spoke over mymom, but because I also am in education
and I'm very educated in theacademia side, she just focused on
that.
So she was like, we'll justignore the other stuff because, you
know, she teaches college.
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You're a really good exampleof a child who's raised with parents
who let you be you and aremore open to you expressing yourself
in the way that you feel andwhat you know to be true.
As opposed to my generation,when I was a child, it was something
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where they didn't want you totalk about it because they didn't
want you to be judged.
You know, this, that, and the other.
I, too, was not great in church.
I would tap into the personsitting in front of me and start
telling my mom about the otherwoman I saw him with, which would
end up being that man's mistress.
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So that ended up being a problem.
So then I had to be in more ofthe daycare area throughout during
church so that I wasn'tletting my mind wander and probing
people's energy that werearound me in the pews.
So for me, growing up, beingshut down and told to sort of Keep
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it to yourself or, you know,it's not something that you share.
Affected me in that I thoughtit was a bad thing that I was doing,
but I was such a rebel, I didit anyways, you know what I'm saying?
So for someone else, theyprobably would have really.
It would have shut them downand they'd stop doing it.
But it almost made me want todo it more.
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And as I got older and thenraised my own children, they were
raised with my friend Tom,who's a professional astrologer,
and Jaina, who did tarot.
So they grew up around it andthey're very open to it and they
actually really enjoy it.
Intuitive intuitives themselves.
But it's just an interestingcontrast for me to see a Gen Xer
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like me and Millennialgeneration you where you were probably
raised by Gen X.
Did your.
Were your parents Gen X or didthey fall in boomer category?
You know, they're both born inthe 50s.
Okay.
Boomer category.
Okay.
But they were open, which is fantastic.
So our parents were the samegeneration and just different upbringings.
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And I think because my momexperienced the kind of upbringing
that you did, she didn't wantto be like that to me, but she didn't
know what to do, so she justchose not to do anything.
So it was like a free for allfor me.
And my dad just wanted me tobe happy, so he just was like whatever.
A lot of guidance, but betterthan restriction.
Back then they didn't have theinformation access that we have now.
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They couldn't Googleinformation on the other side.
And spirits, it was somethingyou went to a library to check out
a book if you could find it.
So it was just very different.
And we, you know, have to.
That's an ingredient in how weturn out as to what time we're brought
up and by which generation.
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All of that factors I found mydad passed around the time I started
doing this professionally as well.
I see him as a catalyst to meand my connection with the other
side and understanding myclients pain and their grief.
Did your dad passing help youto understand your clients better
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as well as to the depths of pain?
Yeah, you just articulated myexperience to the T.
To the T.
I fully believe that that iswhat pushed me into the mediumship
aspect was seeking the healingfor myself.
And I tell that to a lot ofpeople all the time.
It's not that you have toexperience that kind of grief to
get there, but I think thatthat's what opened up that door for
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me.
And because I was Able to findsuch healing.
And I still, on a daily basis,find healing through what I do in
that connection to spirit.
I just want so badly to giveother people that experience.
I also think that's why I'mvery hard on myself and critical
on myself on when and how andwhere I do readings like that, because
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I just know how much it canmake or break people.
And it's.
It's.
I consider that.
That I don't.
I don't like, you know, sayingpsychic skills or anything like that
are like gifts, but because tome, it's a gift that I give other
people.
And I feel like that kind ofsounds cheesy, but I battle with
that ego part and taking theego out and knowing, you know, that's.
I mean, the ego is a wholenother conversation to have around
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that, but absolutely.
You know, my dad came to me inan attunement I was getting, and
I said, go away.
I don't want to cry.
And he said, I'm never leaving you.
And it was.
That was the beginning for me,channeling him, channeling my guides.
Then I moved on to otherpeople's guides.
Then the mediumship came, andpeople that have never met my dad,
been gone almost 13 years, andI talk about him like they.
It's weird that people don'tknow him.
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I forget that these people inmy life now never knew him, because
to me, he's right here all the time.
I love that we have that incommon, that we're perfectionists.
First of all, in our readings,we drive ourselves hard because we
know that's the shot to helpthat person.
And if they walk away withouthearing what they needed, that they
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may not get the healing thatthey require in order to rejoin the
living, if you will.
Yeah, but I felt that losingmy dad and I think you losing yours.
You don't know how a personfeels unless you've lost somebody
of that family member.
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I think people who've lostchildren can understand other people
who've lost children.
And we can try, but until youlose a child of your own, you don't
truly understand the depths ofthe pain that one experiences.
Our dad's passing hit home forus in a place that we didn't even
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know existed inside of us.
An emptiness, a.
A need for their presence.
So my dad now helps me, and hehas been for years, with readings.
I'll say, dad, can you focusher energy and turn up her volume?
And he adjusts her energy forme, the person I'm bringing through.
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And it really helps I'm sureyour dad could be very helpful in
that capacity as well.
I'm like, dad, are you listening?
Do you hear what her dad does?
Step up your game.
Take your daddy to work day.
That's my every.
You know, one of my favoritethings, though, is I receive a lot
of readings for other people.
People that want to do myevents have to give me readings.
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And I just love.
I just love getting readingsfrom people.
I think it's fascinating.
I like it from a research standpoint.
Yeah.
And I couldn't tell you howmany people will tell me, you know,
I'm not a medium, and I don'tdo that.
But I really feel like I havethis dad figure.
And then they'll give me,like, a really big piece of evidence
about him.
And I just tell them, like,it's because he's one of my guides.
And I'm like, you'reconnecting with him as a guide.
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Energy.
Right.
And they get fascinated andweir it out.
It's pretty.
He was also a giant, tall Leowith a mustache and a huge personality.
So he shows up that way in spirit.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
It's funny when people giveinformation that they pick up intuitively,
and then we'll say, I'm notlike you.
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I'm not a psychic.
I'm not a medium.
When in fact, they're just notcomfortable with labels.
But what we're doing is notany different.
And I try to explain that tothem that that's what it is.
Because it took me a long timeto figure out that other people didn't
do and didn't see the otherside the way I saw the other side
and didn't do things the way Ido them.
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I assumed everybody was a winkand a nod.
You know, nobody talked aboutit, but of course, everybody could
see the other side.
Everybody saw the dead.
Everybody communicated with them.
Because it's my onlyperspective that I have is my own.
And I find that interestingthat other people just be when they
know who's at the other end ofthe phone when it rings, because
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their face pops in their headthe moment it rings.
That's psychic.
So whether or not you want toput a label to it, it's what you
are, and it's about owning whoyou are.
So I just.
I find it so fascinating tosee how people try and justify their
own abilities and put it in acategory that they're comfortable
with somewhere over in thecorner when it's such a big part
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of you that you just need toown and grow and honor.
But it takes time for some people.
I remember even putting mediumin my bio on social media just because
I don't want to deal withpeople's judgment and the way the
things that I don't make timefor that if people want to.
I just, I don't really.
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People that want to haveconversations about what I do being
fake or any of that.
I don't just don't really givemy energy to it.
It's still there.
You know, I get a whole lotof, oh, you're just a tarot reader.
Oh, you're just a this.
And I actually took collegeprofessor out of my bio because I'm
trying to lean more into whatyou're talking about.
Like, I've never really likedthe word psychic and I don't like
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to refer to myself as thatjust because the stigma around it,
even though that's very muchwhat I do and that's the actual future
predictions.
That's something that's reallystarted to grow for me lately too.
But yeah, it's hard.
Especially like you and I, I,we don't, I feel like we don't even
like, look like what peopletraditionally would think are like,
woo, woo, spiritual women.
Right Then.
No, we don't fit that bill.
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So that's also interesting.
You know, people assume thatyou're going to, I don't know, like,
what did you think I was goingto look like?
Well, they think you're goingto have, they think you're going
to have like 16 cats and abunch of scarves around your head.
And I do listen to Fluid Macthough, but in a crystal ball.
Like they have this idea ofwhat we should be and when we step
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outside of that box, they'renot really comfortable with it.
But I don't really care aboutthose people because I've dealt with
skeptics and cynics for thelast 25 years.
And it was actually reallyhard in the early 2000s because I
was such a public figure thatI had to, I had to respond to them
televised, which is anotherlevel of dealing with them.
And I know social media is hard.
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People that shouldn't have avoice because their own families
don't want to hear what theyhave to say.
All of a sudden we have tohear their thoughts.
And it makes it terriblyintrusive and uncomfortable to have
to have somebody else's familymember that they don't want to hear
it from unload on us becausethey're angry.
And so I found it's a certainkind of person I too.
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Went to college and I graduated.
I got my degree.
I took my LSATs.
I was interning to be aprosecutor in homicide.
And that's how the firstmedium of episode, the episode of
medium starts.
Because that's the backgroundI had.
I'm married to a rocketscientist, which is another level
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of academia to deal with.
I understand what you'resaying as far as almost wanting to
compartmentalize your life ofwho you are, because it's all part
of you, but you don't want oneovershadowing or somehow minimizing
the other part of you.
You can be an academic and bea spirit spiritualist, which is why
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I had a Catholic priest on my podcast.
And as he's also in my book,Father Nathan's and We Are Their
Heaven, I wanted him torespond to things people would say
about psychics and mediumsfrom a religious perspective of why
they say the things that theydo about us as though we're Satan,
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and obviously we're not.
Because as I wore the T shirtin the late 70s in kindergarten,
God doesn't make junk.
What happened to that?
What happened to peoplefeeling everybody was special and,
oh, just be yourself, and thenyou're yourself, and they're like,
I don't like that version of you.
So we live in a very strangeworld right now where everybody says,
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be yourself, but then doesn'taccept who you are, and you just
have to find that comfortableplace that is yours, like, carve
out your own space.
But I understand what you'resaying, and that's why with social
media, if I find somebody veryoffensive, I'll block and delete.
I don't even skip a beat.
I don't care.
I don't want to hear their thoughts.
I don't have to because I grewup in a generation that didn't have
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to.
And so I stick with thatenergy because it works for me and
keeping what's around me positive.
And we don't need morenegativity in our field.
We deal with enough.
We deal with the dead, whichis actually a lot to live with.
All of the readings that we do.
Have you experienced sometraumatic readings where you were
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reading for people, for, youknow, murder, suicide, something
of a darker nature?
Or do you draw in the grandmasthat have passed?
Well, it's.
I always joke that old menlove me.
So lots of times, grandpas,they bring other people in.
Yeah.
But when you were talkingabout, you know, the death of different
people and how we understandthat connection so we can express
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it, you know, And I alwaystell people, too, like, I've never
been married and I've neverhad children, so I can't speak to
that.
I mean, I've read research on it.
Right.
But it's not the same thing.
But it was actually making methink of a story, of a reading I
did.
And, you know, I feel a lot.
That's one of my greatestgifts, is they make me feel, and
that's how I understand.
And I had a gentleman who.
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It wasn't just the typical.
Like, I feel like he took hisown life.
He actually.
I actually felt how he felt.
I actually felt how he felt inthat grief and sadness.
And I was doing it withanother person, a big gallery, and
I had to.
I give him a look.
Can I take a step back?
And I said to Spiritafterwards, I don't ever want to
feel that again.
I don't ever need to feel that again.
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I understand.
And at that moment, I alsorealized that I had never been suicidal
in my life because I had neverfelt like that before.
The depths of despair, right?
Yeah.
And I thought I.
I mean, I thought I had gottenclose, but that was the different.
And then I've had some stufflike that with, like, military, where
I have felt.
And I have experienced a lotof grief of.
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I get a lot of rainbow babies.
So I was at a reading once,and my friend was in the room, and
I had no idea that sheactually had.
Had, like, three or four miscarriages.
And so I could.
And I could feel her grief.
So sometimes I've gotten a lotbetter at being like, let me just
feel it for a second and letit go.
I can't hold onto that feelingbecause I know that's such a great
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gift, and that's how I canconnect with people.
I did another one for a friendwho'd lost a dad, and that was.
Almost took me out.
And I'll never forget, shestared at me without a tear in her
face, and I was hysterical.
And then two days later, shemessaged me and she said, carolyn,
I feel like I have beenlifted, like, all this weight.
Like, I feel like youtransmuted my grief for me.
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Yeah.
You took her pain.
You took the pain.
I was like, let's not do thatagain, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a lot.
Yeah.
It's something that peopledon't realize that mediums do.
Like, we feel like hell aftera reading often because we took on
the pain of the person so theycould feel better, so they can start
healing, so they could be in abetter place.
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And then you have to get ridof that energy, which is one of the
things I teach my students isto take a shower down the drain away
from me three times.
You know, it's a bit of alittle incantation, but it works.
And just letting everythingthat you visualize, the disease,
the suicide, the painconnected to you that's now trying
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to become part of you, thatyou cast it out and let it go.
And it's so helpful foranyone, whether they're psychic or
just a sensitive.
They absorb too much energyout there.
And you have to learn how tonot just let go of it, but cast it
out and develop borders andboundaries with the dead and the
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living.
Because people are like, whatdo you mean by borders and boundaries?
I'm like, you gotta draw a line.
As you did with your readingswhen you said, I don't ever want
to feel that again.
You told the other side whatyour borders and boundaries were
in that moment.
And they'll abide by it.
For me, because I was beingprimed really from childhood to go
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into homicide and to work murders.
I willingly took it on becausethat's what I'm here for, it's what
I'm made of.
And so all the other stuff outthere, all the white noise, doesn't
bother me because I've dealtwith things that are so incredibly
traumatic.
Nine, 11 families, you know,right after 9 11, and bringing them
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through, the person who died, their.
Their family member, theirloved one, and feeling the crushing
of cement on me, or theinability to breathe, or looking
at a picture in my walletright before I die, you know, things
like that.
And so that's what I do.
Not just willingly, but I feellike I'm designed for it.
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And I think that mediums ofall walks of life have a niche that
they.
That they vibe with a kind ofreading, a type of reading, and that
they should stick with thatarena that they're really comfortable
with.
Because if you stay in thefield of mediumship and you read
people that are highlytraumatized, and it's not something
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that you can handle naturallyas a person.
And I'm not saying for you,but I'm just saying in general, it
will destroy you because youdon't know how to process that kind
of trauma out.
I worked in homicide.
I went through crime scenephotos, autopsy photos, details of
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kidnappings, rapes, murders.
I treaded in the dark in that world.
And so I already had theborders and boundaries to protect
my mind, to protect my energy,and to be able to function in that
capacity, to help in the waythat I could.
And I think it's good advicefor other spiritualists or sensitives
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out there.
Don't go into a field just tochallenge yourself, to see if you
can handle it.
If it's something that, as anindividual you don't feel like you
can handle, you don't have to,because there's many of us out there.
I also feel like everybody whodoesn't have mediumship and their
tool belt wants it.
And then lots of times whenyou get it, you're like, do I really
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want that?
And then, like, I used to seepeople, and then I was like, yeah,
we don't want to do that anymore.
And then recently, I startedseeing people again, and I was like,
do I want to call this back in?
You know, I.
I was told once that spiritrespected my boundaries more than
humans did.
And that always really stuckwith me.
And I feel like energetically, I.
I understand that better.
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Even, like, every once in a while.
I don't know if you experiencewhere, like, you didn't necessarily
cut the tie or they kind ofpop back in.
You'll just kind of hear them,and I'll be like, you know, no, thank
you.
Like, sometimes, especiallywhen they're very charming and you.
But I feel like they'll leavewhen I say that.
My problem more isenergetically with humans and the
constant.
Connect their throat.
You know, when you haverecordings of yourself out there
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like this, people areconnecting to your energy over and
over again.
And that was.
That was something I didn'tunderstand as a child is, you know,
nobody.
You know, they say most.
It's like 70% or somethinghigher than that of little kids that
are experiencing bellyacheswhen they say their stomach hurts.
It's really anxiety.
Yeah.
And I was just so sensitive asa kid.
I felt everybody's anxiety andeverybody's feelings all the time
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as a child.
And I just.
I was nauseous every day of mylife until I was probably 30 years
old, really, before itstarted, I started to understand
it.
And those energetic boundaries are.
You know, the people aroundme, though, that I struggle with
more than with spirit.
Spirit is like, we respectyou, and it's a.
It's a deal we have.
Right.
Like, you respect me.
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That feels too strong.
I don't want to.
I can't give your message if Ifeel like I'm gonna black out.
Right.
So then they loot.
They lighten up.
Humans, they don't respect,you know, for.
Some reason, honestly, thedead is Miss Congeniality next to
the living.
The Dead are so easy to vibe with.
And, like, you're so correct.
And the living sometimes don't.
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They don't recognize yourboundaries because they have none
of their own.
And.
And it's so intrusive into our energy.
And I think it's why mediumshave few friends.
We have few friends because wehave to be able to handle the energy
around us without it takingfrom us.
And there's very few peopleyou can surround yourself with that
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won't take from you or won'tsuck the energy from you.
And so I actually count myselfvery fortunate in this group of mediums
that prefers it that way.
The smaller circle.
I also like laying in bed toolong in the dark with the air conditioning
on.
I'm like, oh, it's like, calm,you know, there's no energy around
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me.
Even the event we just had atHandlebar J's, it was.
Everybody was around me.
Everybody needed something,and it becomes overwhelming.
And I had never made theconnection before because I've never
had another medium say this,but I had what they called a nervous
stomach in the 80s when I wasa kid, and they'd give me this lemon
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cream Maalox crap to drinkthat I thought tasted like hell,
so I threw it in the garbage.
But I always had a nervous stomach.
And it is the anxiety.
And kids are sensitives bynature until they become jaded or
callous in life, and it dullstheir sensitivities, which is.
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It's a shame that we have tolive that way.
Go to Japan.
It's a different energy.
The people are all open,respectful of your space.
It's a completely different vibe.
And you come back here to theUS and we have a lot of angry people.
So there's anger constantlybeing emitted out there and absorbed
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by other people, which thenaffects them.
It's interesting.
It's fascinating.
The more you travel, and I'msure you've learned this, the more
you learn.
Yeah.
You said you like to lay inthe air conditioning in the dark.
I like to lay on the floor.
That is my fav.
My old apartment didn't haveany carpet, and my mom gave me a
piece of carpet because Ididn't want a rug.
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I wanted carpet.
Piece of carpet so I couldjust lay on the ground.
When I moved to it this year, my.
I just remember walking intomy bedroom, into the closet, putting
something away.
And I.
You know, I host these bigpsychic fairs with thousands of people,
and I'm very extroverted.
So it also.
It energizes me to be aroundthem, and I get so excited.
And then when there's alwayspeople there, then it's like I don't
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want to be there in the moment.
Yeah.
And then afterwards I miss itbecause I'm like, oh, I want to be
able to enjoy it, but it'sjust so much.
But I remember getting homeafter the first night of this event
and going in my closet tochange and just laying down on this
beautiful brand new carpetedfloor, and I was just so happy to
be grounded.
And I just stayed there forlike 15 minutes and then I was fine.
I was just giving it to the earth.
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But, yeah, maybe we shouldsend you to the Renaissance Festival
consistently for the entiretime that it's in town.
And you could be around thosepeople, which is.
There's a similar vibe to it.
It's not exactly the same, butthat might.
That might make it so you'relike, screw it.
I want a turkey leg.
You know, you just starthaving a good time because you just
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realize that you can do this.
You just have to acclimate tothe energy.
And when we stay away frompeople for extended periods of time,
we're not.
We're no longer acclimated tothat kind of energy.
And then we go out there andit overwhelms us.
So totally relate to that.
Tell us about your spiritualaffairs, though.
That was my next question.
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I'm curious.
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Well, Carolyn, welcome to the show.
Hi.
Thanks for having me.
Well, just I met you, I did myresearch on tarot readers specifically
because I was having an eventand I wanted somebody that was great
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at their craft.
And you're, you're actuallythe person that stood at the top
of all of the suggestions thatwere sent to me.
And so I asked you to come bea part of the event that we had this
last week.
And, and I just, I really likeyour energy.
You're very grounding inenergy and so I just wanted to give
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you that feedback.
And you also seem very openbut not a doormat.
And I like that energy in aperson compliment.
Thank you.
Yeah.
I'm so sad I didn't get ataste any of the, the vodka though,
so that it will come.
I have a feeling that we'llget together again and you will taste
that vodka.
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So, so tell us when, whendrawn to.
And I know there's, you'resort of a jack of all trades.
You do a lot under theumbrella of the ethereal mediumship,
astrology, tarot.
Is that right?
Am I correct in that?
Yeah.
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And I do, I don't really shareenergy work, but I still teach energy
work.
Okay, so when, how old wereyou when you were first drawn to
either the other side or youwanted your first deck of cards or
got the scrolls and the littleastrology vending machines as a kid
to read your own astrology.
Like, how did it unfold for you?
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You know, I still can't walkby one of those machines with a guy
where you put the dollar inand get the little.
I have them in my wallet.
I can't.
It's like a compulsion.
I'm like, I have to get one.
I actually still have crystalsthat I got when I was a little girl
that I remember getting when Iwas, you know, second, third grade.
Crystal.
I got my first tarot deck whenI was in high school.
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At 16, I went to my firstpsychic fair.
I remember I was 14.
I was a freshman in highschool, and an older gentleman just
took my palm as I walked byhim and started telling me my fortune.
And he told me one day Iwouldn't be there.
And I was like, I'm so freakedout because I was 14, you know?
Yeah.
And, of course, I was themiddle school girl who did the lightest
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of feathers, stiff as a board.
The craft came out when I wasin, like, fifth grade.
So, yeah, I mean, I probablystarted collecting crystals and rocks,
like, in first and second grade.
But my first, like, actualdivination was in high school, about
16.
That's when I got my firsttarot deck.
Okay, so that's about right.
Hormones start kicking in,your abilities get sent up through
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the roof.
I had.
Was it Rachel on from the Craft?
Joe.
She.
She has a tarot deck.
Yeah, I had her on the show as well.
She's very cool.
So.
And that.
That was a cult for many andespecially your generation, I would
say.
Oh, I remember the day I gotto watch it.
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You're like, I really do.
So how did your family feelabout you being into sort of the
occult or the other side?
You know, I was just telling afriend the other day that I was raised
going to church every Sunday,and I was forced to go to confirmation
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for two years in middleschool, but we never talked about
God or Jesus or anybody in our house.
We didn't talk about religionat all.
It was just, like, presentedon a platter, and we were not told
what to do with it.
And, of course, I rebelled andwas kicked out of Sunday school and
midweek school and all of the things.
My mom still has nightmaresabout getting pulled out of adult
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studies to come get me.
So I don't really remember asa judgment around me, like, being
different or anything like that.
As a kid, I got in a lot oftrouble at school just from the way
that I spoke to adults andbeing wise beyond my years.
My parents actually always dida really good job at knowing that
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I did better with positivereinforcement, and they never made
me feel bad or different.
I did when I started teaching.
I remember telling my mom whenmy dad passed, I was watching old
videos from my childhood, andI'm clearly, like, in the corner
of the video talking toanimals or talking to trees, and
I Told my mom, I said, man, asan educator, if I would have had
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me as a student, I would havethought I was very special.
And my mom looked me dead inthe eyes and said, oh, we knew that
you were very special.
So I think that they were very gentle.
I had two very wonderful parents.
Even the more as I got intoadulthood, my mom, I think that she
really just saw that I washappy and what.
That.
What I was doing, and the morethat I was able to build a career
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around it.
She was just.
She never really thought itwas possible to make money doing
something that you love andthat you felt passionate about.
And I remember her atThanksgiving one year, like, speaking
that praise, how she was sohappy that I could do that.
And slowly I've kind of drugher into this side, if you will.
And now she participates andasks me questions and things like
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that.
My dad passed right around thebeginning of me really doing it for
a living.
So other than him being a verypositive guy to me on the other side,
never got anything from him.
You know, I'm a very tall,very loud, outspoken person, so not
a lot of people like to goagainst what I say, even if they
don't believe it.
So most of it said behind my back.
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If anything, you know, you'relike, I hear you.
Yeah.
Yeah, I did.
I know that my grandma didn'tnecessarily feel the best about it,
and she kind of spoke over mymom, but because I also am in education
and I'm very educated in theacademia side, she just focused on
that.
So she was like, we'll justignore the other stuff because, you
know, she teaches college.
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You're a really good exampleof a child who's raised with parents
who let you be you and aremore open to you expressing yourself
in the way that you feel andwhat you know to be true.
As opposed to my generation,when I was a child, it was something
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where they didn't want you totalk about it because they didn't
want you to be judged.
You know, this, that, and the other.
I, too, was not great in church.
I would tap into the personsitting in front of me and start
telling my mom about the otherwoman I saw him with, which would
end up being that man's mistress.
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So that ended up being a problem.
So then I had to be in more ofthe daycare area throughout during
church so that I wasn'tletting my mind wander and probing
people's energy that werearound me in the pews.
So for me, growing up, beingshut down and told to sort of Keep
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it to yourself or, you know,it's not something that you share.
Affected me in that I thoughtit was a bad thing that I was doing,
but I was such a rebel, I didit anyways, you know what I'm saying?
So for someone else, theyprobably would have really.
It would have shut them downand they'd stop doing it.
But it almost made me want todo it more.
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And as I got older and thenraised my own children, they were
raised with my friend Tom,who's a professional astrologer,
and Jaina, who did tarot.
So they grew up around it andthey're very open to it and they
actually really enjoy it.
Intuitive intuitives themselves.
But it's just an interestingcontrast for me to see a Gen Xer
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like me and Millennialgeneration you where you were probably
raised by Gen X.
Did your.
Were your parents Gen X or didthey fall in boomer category?
You know, they're both born inthe 50s.
Okay.
Boomer category.
Okay.
But they were open, which is fantastic.
So our parents were the samegeneration and just different upbringings.
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And I think because my momexperienced the kind of upbringing
that you did, she didn't wantto be like that to me, but she didn't
know what to do, so she justchose not to do anything.
So it was like a free for allfor me.
And my dad just wanted me tobe happy, so he just was like whatever.
A lot of guidance, but betterthan restriction.
Back then they didn't have theinformation access that we have now.
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They couldn't Googleinformation on the other side.
And spirits, it was somethingyou went to a library to check out
a book if you could find it.
So it was just very different.
And we, you know, have to.
That's an ingredient in how weturn out as to what time we're brought
up and by which generation.
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All of that factors I found mydad passed around the time I started
doing this professionally as well.
I see him as a catalyst to meand my connection with the other
side and understanding myclients pain and their grief.
Did your dad passing help youto understand your clients better
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as well as to the depths of pain?
Yeah, you just articulated myexperience to the T.
To the T.
I fully believe that that iswhat pushed me into the mediumship
aspect was seeking the healingfor myself.
And I tell that to a lot ofpeople all the time.
It's not that you have toexperience that kind of grief to
get there, but I think thatthat's what opened up that door for
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me.
And because I was Able to findsuch healing.
And I still, on a daily basis,find healing through what I do in
that connection to spirit.
I just want so badly to giveother people that experience.
I also think that's why I'mvery hard on myself and critical
on myself on when and how andwhere I do readings like that, because
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I just know how much it canmake or break people.
And it's.
It's.
I consider that.
That I don't.
I don't like, you know, sayingpsychic skills or anything like that
are like gifts, but because tome, it's a gift that I give other
people.
And I feel like that kind ofsounds cheesy, but I battle with
that ego part and taking theego out and knowing, you know, that's.
I mean, the ego is a wholenother conversation to have around
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that, but absolutely.
You know, my dad came to me inan attunement I was getting, and
I said, go away.
I don't want to cry.
And he said, I'm never leaving you.
And it was.
That was the beginning for me,channeling him, channeling my guides.
Then I moved on to otherpeople's guides.
Then the mediumship came, andpeople that have never met my dad,
been gone almost 13 years, andI talk about him like they.
It's weird that people don'tknow him.
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I forget that these people inmy life now never knew him, because
to me, he's right here all the time.
I love that we have that incommon, that we're perfectionists.
First of all, in our readings,we drive ourselves hard because we
know that's the shot to helpthat person.
And if they walk away withouthearing what they needed, that they
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may not get the healing thatthey require in order to rejoin the
living, if you will.
Yeah, but I felt that losingmy dad and I think you losing yours.
You don't know how a personfeels unless you've lost somebody
of that family member.
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I think people who've lostchildren can understand other people
who've lost children.
And we can try, but until youlose a child of your own, you don't
truly understand the depths ofthe pain that one experiences.
Our dad's passing hit home forus in a place that we didn't even
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know existed inside of us.
An emptiness, a.
A need for their presence.
So my dad now helps me, and hehas been for years, with readings.
I'll say, dad, can you focusher energy and turn up her volume?
And he adjusts her energy forme, the person I'm bringing through.
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And it really helps I'm sureyour dad could be very helpful in
that capacity as well.
I'm like, dad, are you listening?
Do you hear what her dad does?
Step up your game.
Take your daddy to work day.
That's my every.
You know, one of my favoritethings, though, is I receive a lot
of readings for other people.
People that want to do myevents have to give me readings.
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And I just love.
I just love getting readingsfrom people.
I think it's fascinating.
I like it from a research standpoint.
Yeah.
And I couldn't tell you howmany people will tell me, you know,
I'm not a medium, and I don'tdo that.
But I really feel like I havethis dad figure.
And then they'll give me,like, a really big piece of evidence
about him.
And I just tell them, like,it's because he's one of my guides.
And I'm like, you'reconnecting with him as a guide.
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Energy.
Right.
And they get fascinated andweir it out.
It's pretty.
He was also a giant, tall Leowith a mustache and a huge personality.
So he shows up that way in spirit.
Yeah.
That's awesome.
It's funny when people giveinformation that they pick up intuitively,
and then we'll say, I'm notlike you.
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I'm not a psychic.
I'm not a medium.
When in fact, they're just notcomfortable with labels.
But what we're doing is notany different.
And I try to explain that tothem that that's what it is.
Because it took me a long timeto figure out that other people didn't
do and didn't see the otherside the way I saw the other side
and didn't do things the way Ido them.
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I assumed everybody was a winkand a nod.
You know, nobody talked aboutit, but of course, everybody could
see the other side.
Everybody saw the dead.
Everybody communicated with them.
Because it's my onlyperspective that I have is my own.
And I find that interestingthat other people just be when they
know who's at the other end ofthe phone when it rings, because
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their face pops in their headthe moment it rings.
That's psychic.
So whether or not you want toput a label to it, it's what you
are, and it's about owning whoyou are.
So I just.
I find it so fascinating tosee how people try and justify their
own abilities and put it in acategory that they're comfortable
with somewhere over in thecorner when it's such a big part
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of you that you just need toown and grow and honor.
But it takes time for some people.
I remember even putting mediumin my bio on social media just because
I don't want to deal withpeople's judgment and the way the
things that I don't make timefor that if people want to.
I just, I don't really.
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People that want to haveconversations about what I do being
fake or any of that.
I don't just don't really givemy energy to it.
It's still there.
You know, I get a whole lotof, oh, you're just a tarot reader.
Oh, you're just a this.
And I actually took collegeprofessor out of my bio because I'm
trying to lean more into whatyou're talking about.
Like, I've never really likedthe word psychic and I don't like
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to refer to myself as thatjust because the stigma around it,
even though that's very muchwhat I do and that's the actual future
predictions.
That's something that's reallystarted to grow for me lately too.
But yeah, it's hard.
Especially like you and I, I,we don't, I feel like we don't even
like, look like what peopletraditionally would think are like,
woo, woo, spiritual women.
Right Then.
No, we don't fit that bill.
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So that's also interesting.
You know, people assume thatyou're going to, I don't know, like,
what did you think I was goingto look like?
Well, they think you're goingto have, they think you're going
to have like 16 cats and abunch of scarves around your head.
And I do listen to Fluid Macthough, but in a crystal ball.
Like they have this idea ofwhat we should be and when we step
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outside of that box, they'renot really comfortable with it.
But I don't really care aboutthose people because I've dealt with
skeptics and cynics for thelast 25 years.
And it was actually reallyhard in the early 2000s because I
was such a public figure thatI had to, I had to respond to them
televised, which is anotherlevel of dealing with them.
And I know social media is hard.
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People that shouldn't have avoice because their own families
don't want to hear what theyhave to say.
All of a sudden we have tohear their thoughts.
And it makes it terriblyintrusive and uncomfortable to have
to have somebody else's familymember that they don't want to hear
it from unload on us becausethey're angry.
And so I found it's a certainkind of person I too.
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Went to college and I graduated.
I got my degree.
I took my LSATs.
I was interning to be aprosecutor in homicide.
And that's how the firstmedium of episode, the episode of
medium starts.
Because that's the backgroundI had.
I'm married to a rocketscientist, which is another level
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of academia to deal with.
I understand what you'resaying as far as almost wanting to
compartmentalize your life ofwho you are, because it's all part
of you, but you don't want oneovershadowing or somehow minimizing
the other part of you.
You can be an academic and bea spirit spiritualist, which is why
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I had a Catholic priest on my podcast.
And as he's also in my book,Father Nathan's and We Are Their
Heaven, I wanted him torespond to things people would say
about psychics and mediumsfrom a religious perspective of why
they say the things that theydo about us as though we're Satan,
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and obviously we're not.
Because as I wore the T shirtin the late 70s in kindergarten,
God doesn't make junk.
What happened to that?
What happened to peoplefeeling everybody was special and,
oh, just be yourself, and thenyou're yourself, and they're like,
I don't like that version of you.
So we live in a very strangeworld right now where everybody says,
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be yourself, but then doesn'taccept who you are, and you just
have to find that comfortableplace that is yours, like, carve
out your own space.
But I understand what you'resaying, and that's why with social
media, if I find somebody veryoffensive, I'll block and delete.
I don't even skip a beat.
I don't care.
I don't want to hear their thoughts.
I don't have to because I grewup in a generation that didn't have
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to.
And so I stick with thatenergy because it works for me and
keeping what's around me positive.
And we don't need morenegativity in our field.
We deal with enough.
We deal with the dead, whichis actually a lot to live with.
All of the readings that we do.
Have you experienced sometraumatic readings where you were
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reading for people, for, youknow, murder, suicide, something
of a darker nature?
Or do you draw in the grandmasthat have passed?
Well, it's.
I always joke that old menlove me.
So lots of times, grandpas,they bring other people in.
Yeah.
But when you were talkingabout, you know, the death of different
people and how we understandthat connection so we can express
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it, you know, And I alwaystell people, too, like, I've never
been married and I've neverhad children, so I can't speak to
that.
I mean, I've read research on it.
Right.
But it's not the same thing.
But it was actually making methink of a story, of a reading I
did.
And, you know, I feel a lot.
That's one of my greatestgifts, is they make me feel, and
that's how I understand.
And I had a gentleman who.
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It wasn't just the typical.
Like, I feel like he took hisown life.
He actually.
I actually felt how he felt.
I actually felt how he felt inthat grief and sadness.
And I was doing it withanother person, a big gallery, and
I had to.
I give him a look.
Can I take a step back?
And I said to Spiritafterwards, I don't ever want to
feel that again.
I don't ever need to feel that again.
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I understand.
And at that moment, I alsorealized that I had never been suicidal
in my life because I had neverfelt like that before.
The depths of despair, right?
Yeah.
And I thought I.
I mean, I thought I had gottenclose, but that was the different.
And then I've had some stufflike that with, like, military, where
I have felt.
And I have experienced a lotof grief of.
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I get a lot of rainbow babies.
So I was at a reading once,and my friend was in the room, and
I had no idea that sheactually had.
Had, like, three or four miscarriages.
And so I could.
And I could feel her grief.
So sometimes I've gotten a lotbetter at being like, let me just
feel it for a second and letit go.
I can't hold onto that feelingbecause I know that's such a great
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gift, and that's how I canconnect with people.
I did another one for a friendwho'd lost a dad, and that was.
Almost took me out.
And I'll never forget, shestared at me without a tear in her
face, and I was hysterical.
And then two days later, shemessaged me and she said, carolyn,
I feel like I have beenlifted, like, all this weight.
Like, I feel like youtransmuted my grief for me.
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Yeah.
You took her pain.
You took the pain.
I was like, let's not do thatagain, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was a lot.
Yeah.
It's something that peopledon't realize that mediums do.
Like, we feel like hell aftera reading often because we took on
the pain of the person so theycould feel better, so they can start
healing, so they could be in abetter place.
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And then you have to get ridof that energy, which is one of the
things I teach my students isto take a shower down the drain away
from me three times.
You know, it's a bit of alittle incantation, but it works.
And just letting everythingthat you visualize, the disease,
the suicide, the painconnected to you that's now trying
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to become part of you, thatyou cast it out and let it go.
And it's so helpful foranyone, whether they're psychic or
just a sensitive.
They absorb too much energyout there.
And you have to learn how tonot just let go of it, but cast it
out and develop borders andboundaries with the dead and the
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living.
Because people are like, whatdo you mean by borders and boundaries?
I'm like, you gotta draw a line.
As you did with your readingswhen you said, I don't ever want
to feel that again.
You told the other side whatyour borders and boundaries were
in that moment.
And they'll abide by it.
For me, because I was beingprimed really from childhood to go
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into homicide and to work murders.
I willingly took it on becausethat's what I'm here for, it's what
I'm made of.
And so all the other stuff outthere, all the white noise, doesn't
bother me because I've dealtwith things that are so incredibly
traumatic.
Nine, 11 families, you know,right after 9 11, and bringing them
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through, the person who died, their.
Their family member, theirloved one, and feeling the crushing
of cement on me, or theinability to breathe, or looking
at a picture in my walletright before I die, you know, things
like that.
And so that's what I do.
Not just willingly, but I feellike I'm designed for it.
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And I think that mediums ofall walks of life have a niche that
they.
That they vibe with a kind ofreading, a type of reading, and that
they should stick with thatarena that they're really comfortable
with.
Because if you stay in thefield of mediumship and you read
people that are highlytraumatized, and it's not something
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that you can handle naturallyas a person.
And I'm not saying for you,but I'm just saying in general, it
will destroy you because youdon't know how to process that kind
of trauma out.
I worked in homicide.
I went through crime scenephotos, autopsy photos, details of
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kidnappings, rapes, murders.
I treaded in the dark in that world.
And so I already had theborders and boundaries to protect
my mind, to protect my energy,and to be able to function in that
capacity, to help in the waythat I could.
And I think it's good advicefor other spiritualists or sensitives
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out there.
Don't go into a field just tochallenge yourself, to see if you
can handle it.
If it's something that, as anindividual you don't feel like you
can handle, you don't have to,because there's many of us out there.
I also feel like everybody whodoesn't have mediumship and their
tool belt wants it.
And then lots of times whenyou get it, you're like, do I really
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want that?
And then, like, I used to seepeople, and then I was like, yeah,
we don't want to do that anymore.
And then recently, I startedseeing people again, and I was like,
do I want to call this back in?
You know, I.
I was told once that spiritrespected my boundaries more than
humans did.
And that always really stuckwith me.
And I feel like energetically, I.
I understand that better.
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Even, like, every once in a while.
I don't know if you experiencewhere, like, you didn't necessarily
cut the tie or they kind ofpop back in.
You'll just kind of hear them,and I'll be like, you know, no, thank
you.
Like, sometimes, especiallywhen they're very charming and you.
But I feel like they'll leavewhen I say that.
My problem more isenergetically with humans and the
constant.
Connect their throat.
You know, when you haverecordings of yourself out there
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like this, people areconnecting to your energy over and
over again.
And that was.
That was something I didn'tunderstand as a child is, you know,
nobody.
You know, they say most.
It's like 70% or somethinghigher than that of little kids that
are experiencing bellyacheswhen they say their stomach hurts.
It's really anxiety.
Yeah.
And I was just so sensitive asa kid.
I felt everybody's anxiety andeverybody's feelings all the time
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as a child.
And I just.
I was nauseous every day of mylife until I was probably 30 years
old, really, before itstarted, I started to understand
it.
And those energetic boundaries are.
You know, the people aroundme, though, that I struggle with
more than with spirit.
Spirit is like, we respectyou, and it's a.
It's a deal we have.
Right.
Like, you respect me.
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That feels too strong.
I don't want to.
I can't give your message if Ifeel like I'm gonna black out.
Right.
So then they loot.
They lighten up.
Humans, they don't respect,you know, for.
Some reason, honestly, thedead is Miss Congeniality next to
the living.
The Dead are so easy to vibe with.
And, like, you're so correct.
And the living sometimes don't.
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They don't recognize yourboundaries because they have none
of their own.
And.
And it's so intrusive into our energy.
And I think it's why mediumshave few friends.
We have few friends because wehave to be able to handle the energy
around us without it takingfrom us.
And there's very few peopleyou can surround yourself with that
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won't take from you or won'tsuck the energy from you.
And so I actually count myselfvery fortunate in this group of mediums
that prefers it that way.
The smaller circle.
I also like laying in bed toolong in the dark with the air conditioning
on.
I'm like, oh, it's like, calm,you know, there's no energy around
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me.
Even the event we just had atHandlebar J's, it was.
Everybody was around me.
Everybody needed something,and it becomes overwhelming.
And I had never made theconnection before because I've never
had another medium say this,but I had what they called a nervous
stomach in the 80s when I wasa kid, and they'd give me this lemon
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cream Maalox crap to drinkthat I thought tasted like hell,
so I threw it in the garbage.
But I always had a nervous stomach.
And it is the anxiety.
And kids are sensitives bynature until they become jaded or
callous in life, and it dullstheir sensitivities, which is.
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It's a shame that we have tolive that way.
Go to Japan.
It's a different energy.
The people are all open,respectful of your space.
It's a completely different vibe.
And you come back here to theUS and we have a lot of angry people.
So there's anger constantlybeing emitted out there and absorbed
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by other people, which thenaffects them.
It's interesting.
It's fascinating.
The more you travel, and I'msure you've learned this, the more
you learn.
Yeah.
You said you like to lay inthe air conditioning in the dark.
I like to lay on the floor.
That is my fav.
My old apartment didn't haveany carpet, and my mom gave me a
piece of carpet because Ididn't want a rug.
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I wanted carpet.
Piece of carpet so I couldjust lay on the ground.
When I moved to it this year, my.
I just remember walking intomy bedroom, into the closet, putting
something away.
And I.
You know, I host these bigpsychic fairs with thousands of people,
and I'm very extroverted.
So it also.
It energizes me to be aroundthem, and I get so excited.
And then when there's alwayspeople there, then it's like I don't
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want to be there in the moment.
Yeah.
And then afterwards I miss itbecause I'm like, oh, I want to be
able to enjoy it, but it'sjust so much.
But I remember getting homeafter the first night of this event
and going in my closet tochange and just laying down on this
beautiful brand new carpetedfloor, and I was just so happy to
be grounded.
And I just stayed there forlike 15 minutes and then I was fine.
I was just giving it to the earth.
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But, yeah, maybe we shouldsend you to the Renaissance Festival
consistently for the entiretime that it's in town.
And you could be around thosepeople, which is.
There's a similar vibe to it.
It's not exactly the same, butthat might.
That might make it so you'relike, screw it.
I want a turkey leg.
You know, you just starthaving a good time because you just
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realize that you can do this.
You just have to acclimate tothe energy.
And when we stay away frompeople for extended periods of time,
we're not.
We're no longer acclimated tothat kind of energy.
And then we go out there andit overwhelms us.
So totally relate to that.
Tell us about your spiritualaffairs, though.
That was my next question.
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I'm curious.
Tune in next week for part twoof my interview with Carolyn Ulrich.
Thank you to my listeners.
I'm Alison Dubois.
This is the Dead Life.
And to all of my believers outthere, don't stop believing.
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