March 18, 2025 • 26 mins
In this episode of The Dead Life, we delve into the intricate relationship between life, death, and the emotional turmoil that often accompanies them. As renowned medium Allison DuBois engages in a heartfelt dialogue with her youngest daughter, Sophia DuBois, they provide invaluable insights addressing the perplexing questions of their listeners. The discussion answers a listener's question about protection spells and justice, shedding light on the consequences of actions taken to safeguard loved ones from harm. Through multiple call-ins, both hosts illustrate the complexities of familial bonds and the often-unseen impacts of domestic violence, emphasizing the critical importance of safety and emotional healing. Ultimately, this episode find answers, understanding, compassion, and the pursuit of clarity in the face of life's most challenging adversities.
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Welcome to the Dead Life.
Here's world renowned mediumAlison dubois.
Welcome to the Dead Life.
For those of you new to theshow, I'm Alison Dubois.
I inspired the hit televisionshow Medium.
I'm a New York Timesbestselling author.
I've penned six books on the afterlife.
For those of you who arequestioning life after death today
(00:25):
I have my youngest daughter,Sophia Dubois in studio for my Love
Me, Love Me not segment tohelp answer calling questions for
my listeners.
Sophia brings an intuitiveperspective from a Gen Z point of
view and I bring an intuitiveperspective from Generation X.
Either way, we're here to helpmy listeners who are struggling with
(00:45):
deep emotional confusionaround life and death to book a reading
with me.
Emailus@bookinglisondubois.com if you
have a life question for meand Sophia for my Love Me, Love Me
not segment, leave Yourquestion at 802-332-3811.
If you want to watch past andpresent episodes of the Dead Life,
(01:08):
you can follow me on YouTube.
Please like and subscribe.
Don't forget to pick up abottle of my divination 22 money
potion vodka or love potion atone handsome bastard in Old Town
Scottsdale or Handlebar J's toset your intentions for 2025.
Well, Sophia, thank you forcoming in today.
(01:29):
Thank you for having me.
Always happy to have you here.
And we have a lot of backed upcall in questions, so I've assembled
a few of them.
We've still got 30 more that Ineed to go through and hopefully
people will call in with somemore questions regarding their own
(01:50):
abilities in the afterlife orexperiences they've had with the
other side.
But I do love these segmentsbecause it's like catching fastballs,
you know, every bit.
Everything's different.
It's such a smorgasbord of interesting.
Yeah, I agree out there.
Well, it's good because I feellike a lot of people have the same
questions that others do, butthen they bring their own personal
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touch to it with their ownstories, which I like.
Yeah, yeah.
I like the human perspectiveon it, the individual stories, because
even though there's a lot ofquestions that the people will have
similar questions about, thereare some that come out of left field
where I actually really haveto think deeply about what they're
asking.
So I like those because theychallenge me.
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Good.
So why don't we go ahead andtake the first call in.
Hi Allison, My question is inregards to which spells my daughter
was living in her home withher husband and two children in a
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very Alcoholic, abusive,alcoholic situation, and she was
scared to live in her own home.
And I had gone to a reader whosaid she was going to cast a justice
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spell so that if he was ever,you know, he had been arrested for.
For beating her one night and,you know, she said that this spell
would offer her protection.
Well, about three weeks afterthat, this person did something that
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is landing him in prison for along time.
And I feel a littleresponsible for that because I had
put it out to the universe.
This lady said that she wasgoing to offer protection.
And, you know, obviously nowmy daughter's family is split up.
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Yes, she is safe, but is it,you know, in the best interest of
the children for their fatherto be locked away for so long?
I was just wondering if youfeel like a witch spell would have
anything to do with that, oris that just karma and God's will?
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So if you have any insight onthat, I'd appreciate it.
Thank you.
So let's peel back the layerson this.
Can a protection spell help?
Absolutely.
I've seen them work.
A justice spell.
Margaret Jamison isparticularly good at some of these
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maneuvers that you can usethat can help bring about the.
It's really just a way tofocus the energy you're already having
into an intention is what that is.
So people talk about karma,they talk about spells.
Of course, a spell could serveas a tool of karma.
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I was a little confused by howshe was phrasing this question because
I did work in law enforcementand I am a right or wrong kind of
person.
I see things in black andwhite, very few shades of gray.
So if her husband or son inlaw was beating her daughter and
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it worried her enough to catchto cast a protection spell and he
went to prison for it, thenexactly what needed to happen happened.
And let me say this.
From having grown up in ahouse that had that kind of turmoil
to it, it affects the children.
Oh, yeah.
When they're seeing theirmother beat and they can feel her
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fear and eventually he's goingto focus his attention on the children
and it's not okay.
First of all, if somebody laida hand on one of you girls, that
would be a war for me.
And I think most mothers outthere and fathers can relate to that.
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I'm not worried about the guythat went to prison.
I hope it sucks, I hope it'sterrible, and I hope he gets the
therapy he so justly needs.
But her daughter, even thoughit split up the family, it rooted
out the danger in the household.
That's kind of what Confusesme because, okay, it's not your fault
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for casting the spell.
He.
It was his own actions thatled him to prison.
It was not your actions.
You didn't make him commit a crime.
Right.
And it's not his first crimehe's ever committed.
Okay.
Right.
This is like deep rooted in him.
And these are the ones that hegot caught for.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
But then on the other side,which really confuses me is you're
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right, I'm putting myself inyour shoes as my mom.
I.
I have no sympathy for him at all.
Like, I don't know why shewould even say, like, well, yeah,
sure, my daughter's safe now.
It's like, isn't that thebiggest thing, like the paramount
important thing, this wholesituation, safety, is that your daughter's
not getting beat, beaten every night.
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And her kids are safe too.
Like, yeah, it broke them up.
But guess what?
She could hopefully raise themcorrectly now without any danger,
danger in their life.
And then she has a chance tohave a proper relationship that's
safe in the future.
So, yeah, their dad's notthere anymore, but that's for the
best.
Yeah.
And hopefully in the prisonthat he's in, he has a pathway to
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counseling and that heactually wants to take it because
they don't always have to take it.
It's just offered sometimes inthe prisons.
He sounds like he's been atroubled person, his own, his whole
life.
Her daughter's probably afixer and drew in someone that she
wanted to help.
He was a bad boy or somebodyshe wanted to believe in.
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Because often that personalityof, of a criminal will play the victim.
It's everyone else's fault.
They did this to me.
This is why I'm like this.
If you hadn't pushed me sohard and I hadn't been so tired from
work, which probably wasn'tthe case, I wouldn't have hit you,
you know?
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So again, you have these blame mentalities.
And it makes me wonder withthe call in, did she go through this
at some point in her lifewhere she would sympathize with him?
Or is this just.
She feels guilty because shethinks somehow the person who was
beating her daughter issuffering, which would make me happy
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if they were suffering.
I would find additional waysto help that along if I could.
And the children, evenyelling, even kids that grew up around
the yelling, you guys areaffected by that.
We're all affected by it.
Because.
Because kids are such openvessels of information and energy
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and they're just drawing ineverything around them.
And it hurts their soul deeply.
I'm happy that her daughterhas this opportunity to find her
own strength, perhaps find acareer path that she wouldn't have
pursued because she was underthe thumb of the husband who controls
her.
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But these kids, the older theyget, the more of a target they have
on their backs for the husband.
And so I would see this as awin and a wonderful thing that her
daughter can start over andgood riddance to bad rubbish on him
being pulled out of the house.
Those kids could come home andnot walk on eggshells.
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Yeah.
I think the other thing is, too.
I think she might be feelingguilty because her daughter's probably
crying to her every nightbecause she was so attached to this
man, because he was such.
Probably a manipulator.
Sure.
That she was so attached shecouldn't leave herself.
So she's probably crying toher mom every night like, oh, my
God, like, my kids aren'tgonna have a father.
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Like, he's in pr.
Like, what are they gonnathink about her family and their
dad?
So I think that's probably whyshe's feeling guilty.
I'm sure she's very, veryhappy her daughter's safe.
But I think her daughter isprobably calling her a lot.
Well, and he's probablycalling his wife.
Yeah.
From prison.
Yeah.
Saying, I love you, baby.
I'm so sorry.
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Yeah.
And I hope she's not blamingit on her mother in any way and saying
this is because then she'sbringing the danger back in the daughter
if she absolutely.
If she then sides with the perpetrator.
And I understand Stockholmsyndrome and how people and their
captors and people thatmistreat them, they learn how to
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sympathize with them.
This is not uncommon,unfortunately, domestic violence
as we know it.
You know, because you were anAkio and your sorority, that was
their charity to help with.
I was in it with being thechild in that situation.
If I'm speaking for the kids,I'd rather be poor and have nothing,
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then have to worry about mydad killing my mom.
And so I just.
Whoever the call in is becausewe didn't get a name, I understand
anonymity.
Very important.
To answer you honestly, Ithink you did a really big solid
for your daughter here inprotecting her and extracting him
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from the house.
This is what was meant to happen.
Or energetically.
It wouldn't have played outthis way.
It sounds like he commitsmultiple crimes and he has a tendency
to overreact or not be able tocontrol his emotions, and he needs
to get help with that.
That's what prisons are for,people that can't control themselves.
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It keeps them confined.
Also, you did a protection spell.
You didn't do an evil spell.
You did a.
I.
I'm protecting my daughter's spell.
So you didn't force him to do anything.
He did it himself.
It was already gonna happenregardless of the spell.
He.
It was a justice spell, though.
You got the justice you deserved.
Thank God the daughter and herkids weren't hurt.
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What if she hadn't cast aspell and he had gotten angry another
time or went drinking and camehome ticked off?
And what if he didn't mean tohurt a child so badly and he accidentally
kills it?
I mean, I see that as well.
And homicide.
So I think you saved.
Helped save your daughter andyour grandchildren.
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You should give yourself a paton the back.
The other side gave you astrong assist.
And he is where he needs to be.
And hopefully he's able tolearn something about his behavior
other than next time to notget caught.
Either way, if a man lays ahand on you once, they're going to
do it again.
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And I think a lot of womenwho've been through it would say
that is true.
A lot of women see themselvesas a sacrifice.
If he hits me, he'll leavethem alone.
And that's just not the way it works.
Eventually they turn on the children.
So thank you for calling in.
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If anybody has a comment onthat, wants to call in and let us
know, we're happy to share itin the future.
Love to hear your thoughts.
So let's go to the next Colin.
Hi, Allison, this is Toby.
I work Acute care and I have aquestion for you.
Had a patient a while back whohad suffered a fall.
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She had some PTSD from theexperience and she explained that
her symptoms very much likesomeone who had left the body.
She was able to see her bodyin the bed.
She felt like she was outsideof herself, even though she could
feel her own body.
She could feed herself, shecould roll over all that stuff, but
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she just felt like her mindwasn't connected to her body.
And it reminded me of neardeath experiences.
And I tried to communicatewith her that I understood what was
going on, give her somecalming energy.
But it made me wonder, what dopeople who have that experience,
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how do they reintegrate?
So their perspective.
Thanks so much.
Bye.
So I found this call a little confusing.
Yeah.
So is she asking how to.
Near NDEs, near deathexperiences, people that experience
those, how do they reintegrateinto life?
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From what I've learned, beentold and seen.
They value life more.
They don't take it for granted.
This patient sounds likesomething different.
That's what I was thinkingtoo, than an nde.
Okay.
They suffered a fall, I'vesuffered falls, and my mind never
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left my body like that.
So also a near deathexperience is one experience where
then they come back andthey're like, this is what I saw.
You know, if they're in a comaand stuff like that too, this sounds
like she can do it on commandor something.
Well, another question withthe patient.
Was she on medication?
Yeah.
You know, was this some sort of.
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I mean, was it a hallucinationof some sort?
I don't have enoughinformation to fully answer it on
the patient that suffered thefall and feels like her mind wasn't
connected, as though it was anout of body experience.
Because if you're feedingyourself, that's an operation of
the mind.
Yeah.
If you're bathing yourself,it's an operation of the mind so
you couldn't be disconnectedfrom yourself and doing those things,
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which is what she said sherecounted that she was able to do.
It sounds as if she maybe hadsome sort of a disassociative process
going on where she just wasmentally checked out while doing
those things.
And on autopilot, it's stillin operation of the mind.
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I don't know.
Yeah, you're right.
We don't have enough information.
Right.
But with near deathexperiences, often they see a loved
one on the other side or anethereal being that tells them they
have to go back.
Like it's a very clear I wasalmost dead moment and I was told
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to go back and my grandmothergot further and further away from
me until.
And then I woke up, you know,in the hospital.
So near death experiences areusually more clear that it was a
near death experience ratherthan somebody feeling disconnected
from their body.
It sounds like she's somehowon autopilot, going through the motions
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of life.
And you'd have to look at someother things that happen.
I mean, maybe when shesuffered the fall, maybe part of
her brain swelled, I don'tknow, which could have caused some
sort of confusion for her.
So I just thought it was aninteresting one.
I'm like, is it me or do Ineed another set of ears listening
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to this?
And so I know it was hard forToby to explain exactly what it was
because she didn't know whatthis patient's situation really is.
I would say a, the patientneeds to get.
What if her head was hit inthis Fall.
She needs another scan of somesort to make.
To make sure there's no swelling.
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Also, what medications was she on?
Did they give her somethingthat mixed with a prior medication
that wasn't working for her?
I've not heard this before.
Same.
And I've been doing thisprofessionally for 25 years.
So I've been on autopilotbefore in my house.
But I was aware that I wasdoing the things that I was doing.
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I wasn't outside of my bodywatching me do it.
I was aware that I just sortof was going through the motions
and not really caring.
Yeah.
You know where you're justsort of.
Well, that's when you.
It's called dissociation.
Yeah.
Is when you're on autopilot.
That's exactly what it is.
But yeah, that's.
That's different than whatshe's explaining.
I think you're right.
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I think they need to doanother scan, figure it out.
Look at her medication.
Yeah.
Because it's.
It's not near death experience.
No.
I get where she was comingfrom though.
Right.
It was the closest thing shehad to compare it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Toby, do it pronto.
The girl needs to be lookedat, so.
But I'm glad Toby called inbecause it shows what a caring person
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she is in healthcare.
And we need more.
Toby's out there.
Toby.
So.
Thank you, Toby.
Let's go ahead and take thenext caller.
Okay.
Hi, Allison.
This is Meg from Minneapolis.
I love your podcast.
When I first started listeningto it, I immediately noticed how
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things you said inconversations related to things I
was thinking or going through.
I really enjoy yourperspective and thank you for sharing
your gifts with the world.
I have a question for you.
I have heard stories thatpeople who have had organ transplants
will start to crave or feeland think new things, and they find
out that the person whoseorgans they now have have had those
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cravings or life experiences.
I am wondering what happens topeople's souls that donate organs
that are inside a differentliving body.
Thanks.
That's a good question.
That's why I included it.
That's a good one.
And Meg, thank you for all the props.
Appreciated.
Organ transplants.
Okay, so let me get thisthought out before you answer, because
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it's no.
I want to listen to what youhave to say because I have no idea.
Okay.
So when an organ'stransplanted from another person
who passed, let's talk aboutpeople who passed.
When you received an organfrom somebody that's deceased, I
just want to draw adistinction between someone Giving
you a kidney that's alive andsomebody who's dead.
So this is my take on it.
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So if an organ is receivedfrom somebody who died, my sense
is the cravings, the thingsthat are coming along with the transplant,
if that was characteristic ofthe person who passed, People who
pass that aren't ready to go.
And a lot of people are intraumatic sudden death situations
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that become organ donors,motorcycle accidents, something that
you weren't expecting, andthey're not ready to go.
So this is part of them.
And I think they see it as asegue to be able to still be here.
And so they want to be heard.
And I think the cravings andeverything that people would get
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connected to the transplantwould have more to do with the person
that's dead being next to you,saying, let's get a cheeseburger.
They'll say things to you totry and trigger this in you, to make
you wonder if they're there.
But instead we're thinking, is the.
Is the liver craving it?
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It's like, no.
The person's trying to getsomeone's attention, and it's probably
because they passed suddenlyand they can't get through to anyone.
So they're trying to getthrough to the person who carries
part of them with them.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Trippy.
If you think about it, my mind.
Works that way, so it's.
Well, this is good to know.
So with organ transplants,when I was listening to her question,
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that was the first thing thatpopped in my head.
I'm like, oh, the person'strying to communicate with the person
that's carrying in to try andbe heard or get it.
Get their attention or to berelevant again.
Can you imagine dying suddenlyand all your family is traumatized,
so you can't get through tothem because they're blocked by pain.
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And here there's this personwho's happy and healthy now because
of you.
And a.
You're proud of that.
You're glad you helped them.
You feel connected to them.
So I would say the organs fromthe people, from where they came,
the donors do feel connectedto the people that get the organ
transplants because they'rehappy that you're well, and they
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do want to see the progress.
However, they also often, Iwould imagine, would see them as
a portal to be able to talkthrough, to hear them, to say, you
know, we love cherry pie.
You know, and then the personstarts eating cherry pie, and they
don't know why.
They whisper in our ears allthe time.
They Know how to manipulate usto get us to do things out of character.
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I love those stories when it'slike the little girl who, you know,
needed a heart transplant orsomething big like that.
Yeah.
And then, you know, someone'sson died, and then she got it, and.
And they'll come and hug thelittle girl because they're like,
that's the closest I can getto my son's beating heart, because
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it is his heart.
And the thing is.
And I think you're right with.
How are there with themtelling them like, it's okay or,
this is what I want.
Yeah.
Because at least I haven'theard of any stories where the person
says no, right?
To the hug or seeing the person.
They're usually pretty goodabout that.
Grateful.
Yeah, very grateful.
And.
And what does it do?
It brings the familiestogether, and it opens the minds
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of the deceased person, thedonor's family, that this is part
of my son, and it makes themmore open to hearing him, to knowing
that he's there.
So I see the person whoreceives the donation, the recipient,
as the person that's thegateway back to the family.
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Yeah, there was this one.
I'll be fast, but there's.
No, you're fine.
Please.
It's a talk show.
Yeah, it was.
I think it was Grey's Anatomy,so, I mean, maybe this has happened
in real life.
I don't know.
But this was a scripted show,and the girl was, I don't know, 15,
16.
And she was in a really,really bad fire.
And so her face lookeddeformed and different.
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Her skin was burned off, andthere was a girl around her age that
had just died, and they had toget the permission from the girl's
mom who had passed for thetissue for this.
Her skin, her actual face.
Yeah.
And she's.
I mean, it's hard to say that,like, yeah, you can skin my daughter.
Oh, I know.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But then it saved this girl,gave her a second chance at life
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to look normal.
And so then the mom went inthere and pretty much looked at her
daughter's face again becauseshe looked exactly like her, and
she was like, can I hug you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm sure that's happenedbefore, you.
Know, if I'm an organ donor.
So if anyone ever gets mine.
Okay.
We'll find out.
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Part of your brain, they'relike, I'm.
Talking to the dead.
What is happening?
What's the deal?
Whose was this?
I got to get to the bottom of that.
So, again, I think thecharacteristics of the personality
of the person, what theirlikes and dislikes were, what their
propensities for, you know,their favorite things, their kind
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of car they like to drive,their accent, their sense of humor.
All of these things can besignals from the person that died
that I'm still here, here,even though their soul didn't replace
the soul of the body that gotthe organ.
They're just around them.
They're just trying to be acknowledged.
That was my take.
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I get, too.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Sophia.
Well, thank you for being here.
I told you these were going tothrow you for a loop.
And we've got another set of those.
And thank you to my listeners.
Tune in next Tuesday for parttwo of my Love Me, Love Me not segment.
Sophia and I will bring theintuitive fire to the party to answer
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your questions.
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Welcome to the Dead Life.
Here's world renowned mediumAlison dubois.
Welcome to the Dead Life.
For those of you new to theshow, I'm Alison Dubois.
I inspired the hit televisionshow Medium.
I'm a New York Timesbestselling author.
I've penned six books on the afterlife.
For those of you who arequestioning life after death today
(00:25):
I have my youngest daughter,Sophia Dubois in studio for my Love
Me, Love Me not segment tohelp answer calling questions for
my listeners.
Sophia brings an intuitiveperspective from a Gen Z point of
view and I bring an intuitiveperspective from Generation X.
Either way, we're here to helpmy listeners who are struggling with
(00:45):
deep emotional confusionaround life and death to book a reading
with me.
Emailus@bookinglisondubois.com if you
have a life question for meand Sophia for my Love Me, Love Me
not segment, leave Yourquestion at 802-332-3811.
If you want to watch past andpresent episodes of the Dead Life,
(01:08):
you can follow me on YouTube.
Please like and subscribe.
Don't forget to pick up abottle of my divination 22 money
potion vodka or love potion atone handsome bastard in Old Town
Scottsdale or Handlebar J's toset your intentions for 2025.
Well, Sophia, thank you forcoming in today.
(01:29):
Thank you for having me.
Always happy to have you here.
And we have a lot of backed upcall in questions, so I've assembled
a few of them.
We've still got 30 more that Ineed to go through and hopefully
people will call in with somemore questions regarding their own
(01:50):
abilities in the afterlife orexperiences they've had with the
other side.
But I do love these segmentsbecause it's like catching fastballs,
you know, every bit.
Everything's different.
It's such a smorgasbord of interesting.
Yeah, I agree out there.
Well, it's good because I feellike a lot of people have the same
questions that others do, butthen they bring their own personal
(02:14):
touch to it with their ownstories, which I like.
Yeah, yeah.
I like the human perspectiveon it, the individual stories, because
even though there's a lot ofquestions that the people will have
similar questions about, thereare some that come out of left field
where I actually really haveto think deeply about what they're
asking.
So I like those because theychallenge me.
(02:35):
Good.
So why don't we go ahead andtake the first call in.
Hi Allison, My question is inregards to which spells my daughter
was living in her home withher husband and two children in a
(02:58):
very Alcoholic, abusive,alcoholic situation, and she was
scared to live in her own home.
And I had gone to a reader whosaid she was going to cast a justice
(03:19):
spell so that if he was ever,you know, he had been arrested for.
For beating her one night and,you know, she said that this spell
would offer her protection.
Well, about three weeks afterthat, this person did something that
(03:43):
is landing him in prison for along time.
And I feel a littleresponsible for that because I had
put it out to the universe.
This lady said that she wasgoing to offer protection.
And, you know, obviously nowmy daughter's family is split up.
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Yes, she is safe, but is it,you know, in the best interest of
the children for their fatherto be locked away for so long?
I was just wondering if youfeel like a witch spell would have
anything to do with that, oris that just karma and God's will?
(04:30):
So if you have any insight onthat, I'd appreciate it.
Thank you.
So let's peel back the layerson this.
Can a protection spell help?
Absolutely.
I've seen them work.
A justice spell.
Margaret Jamison isparticularly good at some of these
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maneuvers that you can usethat can help bring about the.
It's really just a way tofocus the energy you're already having
into an intention is what that is.
So people talk about karma,they talk about spells.
Of course, a spell could serveas a tool of karma.
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I was a little confused by howshe was phrasing this question because
I did work in law enforcementand I am a right or wrong kind of
person.
I see things in black andwhite, very few shades of gray.
So if her husband or son inlaw was beating her daughter and
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it worried her enough to catchto cast a protection spell and he
went to prison for it, thenexactly what needed to happen happened.
And let me say this.
From having grown up in ahouse that had that kind of turmoil
to it, it affects the children.
Oh, yeah.
When they're seeing theirmother beat and they can feel her
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fear and eventually he's goingto focus his attention on the children
and it's not okay.
First of all, if somebody laida hand on one of you girls, that
would be a war for me.
And I think most mothers outthere and fathers can relate to that.
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I'm not worried about the guythat went to prison.
I hope it sucks, I hope it'sterrible, and I hope he gets the
therapy he so justly needs.
But her daughter, even thoughit split up the family, it rooted
out the danger in the household.
That's kind of what Confusesme because, okay, it's not your fault
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for casting the spell.
He.
It was his own actions thatled him to prison.
It was not your actions.
You didn't make him commit a crime.
Right.
And it's not his first crimehe's ever committed.
Okay.
Right.
This is like deep rooted in him.
And these are the ones that hegot caught for.
Yeah, exactly.
Right.
But then on the other side,which really confuses me is you're
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right, I'm putting myself inyour shoes as my mom.
I.
I have no sympathy for him at all.
Like, I don't know why shewould even say, like, well, yeah,
sure, my daughter's safe now.
It's like, isn't that thebiggest thing, like the paramount
important thing, this wholesituation, safety, is that your daughter's
not getting beat, beaten every night.
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And her kids are safe too.
Like, yeah, it broke them up.
But guess what?
She could hopefully raise themcorrectly now without any danger,
danger in their life.
And then she has a chance tohave a proper relationship that's
safe in the future.
So, yeah, their dad's notthere anymore, but that's for the
best.
Yeah.
And hopefully in the prisonthat he's in, he has a pathway to
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counseling and that heactually wants to take it because
they don't always have to take it.
It's just offered sometimes inthe prisons.
He sounds like he's been atroubled person, his own, his whole
life.
Her daughter's probably afixer and drew in someone that she
wanted to help.
He was a bad boy or somebodyshe wanted to believe in.
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Because often that personalityof, of a criminal will play the victim.
It's everyone else's fault.
They did this to me.
This is why I'm like this.
If you hadn't pushed me sohard and I hadn't been so tired from
work, which probably wasn'tthe case, I wouldn't have hit you,
you know?
(08:32):
So again, you have these blame mentalities.
And it makes me wonder withthe call in, did she go through this
at some point in her lifewhere she would sympathize with him?
Or is this just.
She feels guilty because shethinks somehow the person who was
beating her daughter issuffering, which would make me happy
(08:54):
if they were suffering.
I would find additional waysto help that along if I could.
And the children, evenyelling, even kids that grew up around
the yelling, you guys areaffected by that.
We're all affected by it.
Because.
Because kids are such openvessels of information and energy
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and they're just drawing ineverything around them.
And it hurts their soul deeply.
I'm happy that her daughterhas this opportunity to find her
own strength, perhaps find acareer path that she wouldn't have
pursued because she was underthe thumb of the husband who controls
her.
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But these kids, the older theyget, the more of a target they have
on their backs for the husband.
And so I would see this as awin and a wonderful thing that her
daughter can start over andgood riddance to bad rubbish on him
being pulled out of the house.
Those kids could come home andnot walk on eggshells.
(10:00):
Yeah.
I think the other thing is, too.
I think she might be feelingguilty because her daughter's probably
crying to her every nightbecause she was so attached to this
man, because he was such.
Probably a manipulator.
Sure.
That she was so attached shecouldn't leave herself.
So she's probably crying toher mom every night like, oh, my
God, like, my kids aren'tgonna have a father.
(10:20):
Like, he's in pr.
Like, what are they gonnathink about her family and their
dad?
So I think that's probably whyshe's feeling guilty.
I'm sure she's very, veryhappy her daughter's safe.
But I think her daughter isprobably calling her a lot.
Well, and he's probablycalling his wife.
Yeah.
From prison.
Yeah.
Saying, I love you, baby.
I'm so sorry.
(10:41):
Yeah.
And I hope she's not blamingit on her mother in any way and saying
this is because then she'sbringing the danger back in the daughter
if she absolutely.
If she then sides with the perpetrator.
And I understand Stockholmsyndrome and how people and their
captors and people thatmistreat them, they learn how to
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sympathize with them.
This is not uncommon,unfortunately, domestic violence
as we know it.
You know, because you were anAkio and your sorority, that was
their charity to help with.
I was in it with being thechild in that situation.
If I'm speaking for the kids,I'd rather be poor and have nothing,
(11:27):
then have to worry about mydad killing my mom.
And so I just.
Whoever the call in is becausewe didn't get a name, I understand
anonymity.
Very important.
To answer you honestly, Ithink you did a really big solid
for your daughter here inprotecting her and extracting him
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from the house.
This is what was meant to happen.
Or energetically.
It wouldn't have played outthis way.
It sounds like he commitsmultiple crimes and he has a tendency
to overreact or not be able tocontrol his emotions, and he needs
to get help with that.
That's what prisons are for,people that can't control themselves.
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It keeps them confined.
Also, you did a protection spell.
You didn't do an evil spell.
You did a.
I.
I'm protecting my daughter's spell.
So you didn't force him to do anything.
He did it himself.
It was already gonna happenregardless of the spell.
He.
It was a justice spell, though.
You got the justice you deserved.
Thank God the daughter and herkids weren't hurt.
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What if she hadn't cast aspell and he had gotten angry another
time or went drinking and camehome ticked off?
And what if he didn't mean tohurt a child so badly and he accidentally
kills it?
I mean, I see that as well.
And homicide.
So I think you saved.
Helped save your daughter andyour grandchildren.
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You should give yourself a paton the back.
The other side gave you astrong assist.
And he is where he needs to be.
And hopefully he's able tolearn something about his behavior
other than next time to notget caught.
Either way, if a man lays ahand on you once, they're going to
do it again.
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And I think a lot of womenwho've been through it would say
that is true.
A lot of women see themselvesas a sacrifice.
If he hits me, he'll leavethem alone.
And that's just not the way it works.
Eventually they turn on the children.
So thank you for calling in.
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If anybody has a comment onthat, wants to call in and let us
know, we're happy to share itin the future.
Love to hear your thoughts.
So let's go to the next Colin.
Hi, Allison, this is Toby.
I work Acute care and I have aquestion for you.
Had a patient a while back whohad suffered a fall.
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She had some PTSD from theexperience and she explained that
her symptoms very much likesomeone who had left the body.
She was able to see her bodyin the bed.
She felt like she was outsideof herself, even though she could
feel her own body.
She could feed herself, shecould roll over all that stuff, but
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she just felt like her mindwasn't connected to her body.
And it reminded me of neardeath experiences.
And I tried to communicatewith her that I understood what was
going on, give her somecalming energy.
But it made me wonder, what dopeople who have that experience,
(14:48):
how do they reintegrate?
So their perspective.
Thanks so much.
Bye.
So I found this call a little confusing.
Yeah.
So is she asking how to.
Near NDEs, near deathexperiences, people that experience
those, how do they reintegrateinto life?
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From what I've learned, beentold and seen.
They value life more.
They don't take it for granted.
This patient sounds likesomething different.
That's what I was thinkingtoo, than an nde.
Okay.
They suffered a fall, I'vesuffered falls, and my mind never
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left my body like that.
So also a near deathexperience is one experience where
then they come back andthey're like, this is what I saw.
You know, if they're in a comaand stuff like that too, this sounds
like she can do it on commandor something.
Well, another question withthe patient.
Was she on medication?
Yeah.
You know, was this some sort of.
(15:51):
I mean, was it a hallucinationof some sort?
I don't have enoughinformation to fully answer it on
the patient that suffered thefall and feels like her mind wasn't
connected, as though it was anout of body experience.
Because if you're feedingyourself, that's an operation of
the mind.
Yeah.
If you're bathing yourself,it's an operation of the mind so
you couldn't be disconnectedfrom yourself and doing those things,
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which is what she said sherecounted that she was able to do.
It sounds as if she maybe hadsome sort of a disassociative process
going on where she just wasmentally checked out while doing
those things.
And on autopilot, it's stillin operation of the mind.
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I don't know.
Yeah, you're right.
We don't have enough information.
Right.
But with near deathexperiences, often they see a loved
one on the other side or anethereal being that tells them they
have to go back.
Like it's a very clear I wasalmost dead moment and I was told
(16:56):
to go back and my grandmothergot further and further away from
me until.
And then I woke up, you know,in the hospital.
So near death experiences areusually more clear that it was a
near death experience ratherthan somebody feeling disconnected
from their body.
It sounds like she's somehowon autopilot, going through the motions
(17:18):
of life.
And you'd have to look at someother things that happen.
I mean, maybe when shesuffered the fall, maybe part of
her brain swelled, I don'tknow, which could have caused some
sort of confusion for her.
So I just thought it was aninteresting one.
I'm like, is it me or do Ineed another set of ears listening
(17:38):
to this?
And so I know it was hard forToby to explain exactly what it was
because she didn't know whatthis patient's situation really is.
I would say a, the patientneeds to get.
What if her head was hit inthis Fall.
She needs another scan of somesort to make.
To make sure there's no swelling.
(17:59):
Also, what medications was she on?
Did they give her somethingthat mixed with a prior medication
that wasn't working for her?
I've not heard this before.
Same.
And I've been doing thisprofessionally for 25 years.
So I've been on autopilotbefore in my house.
But I was aware that I wasdoing the things that I was doing.
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I wasn't outside of my bodywatching me do it.
I was aware that I just sortof was going through the motions
and not really caring.
Yeah.
You know where you're justsort of.
Well, that's when you.
It's called dissociation.
Yeah.
Is when you're on autopilot.
That's exactly what it is.
But yeah, that's.
That's different than whatshe's explaining.
I think you're right.
(18:41):
I think they need to doanother scan, figure it out.
Look at her medication.
Yeah.
Because it's.
It's not near death experience.
No.
I get where she was comingfrom though.
Right.
It was the closest thing shehad to compare it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Toby, do it pronto.
The girl needs to be lookedat, so.
But I'm glad Toby called inbecause it shows what a caring person
(19:03):
she is in healthcare.
And we need more.
Toby's out there.
Toby.
So.
Thank you, Toby.
Let's go ahead and take thenext caller.
Okay.
Hi, Allison.
This is Meg from Minneapolis.
I love your podcast.
When I first started listeningto it, I immediately noticed how
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things you said inconversations related to things I
was thinking or going through.
I really enjoy yourperspective and thank you for sharing
your gifts with the world.
I have a question for you.
I have heard stories thatpeople who have had organ transplants
will start to crave or feeland think new things, and they find
out that the person whoseorgans they now have have had those
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cravings or life experiences.
I am wondering what happens topeople's souls that donate organs
that are inside a differentliving body.
Thanks.
That's a good question.
That's why I included it.
That's a good one.
And Meg, thank you for all the props.
Appreciated.
Organ transplants.
Okay, so let me get thisthought out before you answer, because
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it's no.
I want to listen to what youhave to say because I have no idea.
Okay.
So when an organ'stransplanted from another person
who passed, let's talk aboutpeople who passed.
When you received an organfrom somebody that's deceased, I
just want to draw adistinction between someone Giving
you a kidney that's alive andsomebody who's dead.
So this is my take on it.
(20:31):
So if an organ is receivedfrom somebody who died, my sense
is the cravings, the thingsthat are coming along with the transplant,
if that was characteristic ofthe person who passed, People who
pass that aren't ready to go.
And a lot of people are intraumatic sudden death situations
(20:55):
that become organ donors,motorcycle accidents, something that
you weren't expecting, andthey're not ready to go.
So this is part of them.
And I think they see it as asegue to be able to still be here.
And so they want to be heard.
And I think the cravings andeverything that people would get
(21:15):
connected to the transplantwould have more to do with the person
that's dead being next to you,saying, let's get a cheeseburger.
They'll say things to you totry and trigger this in you, to make
you wonder if they're there.
But instead we're thinking, is the.
Is the liver craving it?
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It's like, no.
The person's trying to getsomeone's attention, and it's probably
because they passed suddenlyand they can't get through to anyone.
So they're trying to getthrough to the person who carries
part of them with them.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Trippy.
If you think about it, my mind.
Works that way, so it's.
Well, this is good to know.
So with organ transplants,when I was listening to her question,
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that was the first thing thatpopped in my head.
I'm like, oh, the person'strying to communicate with the person
that's carrying in to try andbe heard or get it.
Get their attention or to berelevant again.
Can you imagine dying suddenlyand all your family is traumatized,
so you can't get through tothem because they're blocked by pain.
(22:22):
And here there's this personwho's happy and healthy now because
of you.
And a.
You're proud of that.
You're glad you helped them.
You feel connected to them.
So I would say the organs fromthe people, from where they came,
the donors do feel connectedto the people that get the organ
transplants because they'rehappy that you're well, and they
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do want to see the progress.
However, they also often, Iwould imagine, would see them as
a portal to be able to talkthrough, to hear them, to say, you
know, we love cherry pie.
You know, and then the personstarts eating cherry pie, and they
don't know why.
They whisper in our ears allthe time.
They Know how to manipulate usto get us to do things out of character.
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I love those stories when it'slike the little girl who, you know,
needed a heart transplant orsomething big like that.
Yeah.
And then, you know, someone'sson died, and then she got it, and.
And they'll come and hug thelittle girl because they're like,
that's the closest I can getto my son's beating heart, because
(23:28):
it is his heart.
And the thing is.
And I think you're right with.
How are there with themtelling them like, it's okay or,
this is what I want.
Yeah.
Because at least I haven'theard of any stories where the person
says no, right?
To the hug or seeing the person.
They're usually pretty goodabout that.
Grateful.
Yeah, very grateful.
And.
And what does it do?
It brings the familiestogether, and it opens the minds
(23:52):
of the deceased person, thedonor's family, that this is part
of my son, and it makes themmore open to hearing him, to knowing
that he's there.
So I see the person whoreceives the donation, the recipient,
as the person that's thegateway back to the family.
(24:14):
Yeah, there was this one.
I'll be fast, but there's.
No, you're fine.
Please.
It's a talk show.
Yeah, it was.
I think it was Grey's Anatomy,so, I mean, maybe this has happened
in real life.
I don't know.
But this was a scripted show,and the girl was, I don't know, 15,
16.
And she was in a really,really bad fire.
And so her face lookeddeformed and different.
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Her skin was burned off, andthere was a girl around her age that
had just died, and they had toget the permission from the girl's
mom who had passed for thetissue for this.
Her skin, her actual face.
Yeah.
And she's.
I mean, it's hard to say that,like, yeah, you can skin my daughter.
Oh, I know.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
But then it saved this girl,gave her a second chance at life
(24:56):
to look normal.
And so then the mom went inthere and pretty much looked at her
daughter's face again becauseshe looked exactly like her, and
she was like, can I hug you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm sure that's happenedbefore, you.
Know, if I'm an organ donor.
So if anyone ever gets mine.
Okay.
We'll find out.
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Part of your brain, they'relike, I'm.
Talking to the dead.
What is happening?
What's the deal?
Whose was this?
I got to get to the bottom of that.
So, again, I think thecharacteristics of the personality
of the person, what theirlikes and dislikes were, what their
propensities for, you know,their favorite things, their kind
(25:44):
of car they like to drive,their accent, their sense of humor.
All of these things can besignals from the person that died
that I'm still here, here,even though their soul didn't replace
the soul of the body that gotthe organ.
They're just around them.
They're just trying to be acknowledged.
That was my take.
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I get, too.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Sophia.
Well, thank you for being here.
I told you these were going tothrow you for a loop.
And we've got another set of those.
And thank you to my listeners.
Tune in next Tuesday for parttwo of my Love Me, Love Me not segment.
Sophia and I will bring theintuitive fire to the party to answer
(26:25):
your questions.
I'm Alison Dubois.
This is THE Dead Life.
And to all of my believers outthere, don't stop believing.
Join us next week on THE Dead life.
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