April 1, 2025 • 27 mins
Buckle up for the intriguing exploration of Ashley Flowers' astrological birth chart, as interpreted by our resident astrologer, Tom McMullan. We delve into the connections between astrology and the investigative pursuits that Ashley is known for with her Crime Junkie podcast. Tom explains the significance of Ashley's Sagittarian sun sign positioned within the house of Scorpio, which ostensibly predisposes her toward the realm of investigation and crime. Throughout the episode, we examine past life influences and the emotional complexities that inform Ashley's present life, particularly her tendency to prioritize the needs of others over her own. This conversation serves as the first installment of a two-part series, setting the stage for deeper revelations in the subsequent episode.
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Welcome to the Dead Life.
Here's world renowned mediumAlison Dubois.
What do we have going on foryou at the Dead Life today?
Well, we have a very specialguest today.
Some of you might know herfrom the very popular podcast Crime
Junkyaf.
The one and only, Ashley Flowers.
Hello.
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I also have your favoriteastrologer, Tom McMullen here to
weigh in on this episode.
Ashley and I were talkingabout past lives recently and astrological
readings.
She had never had her chart read.
So I introduced Ashley flowersto Tom McMullen to see what Tom would
uncover in a crime junkie'sbirth chart.
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Well, Ashley, welcome to the show.
Hi.
I'm so excited.
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your busy tour schedule.
I know you're all over theplace right now.
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No, this feels like someonerecently told me, Tom, that I have
to do things for myself andthis feels like something for myself.
So this is good.
Yes, that was something I didtell her.
So funny.
I didn't give the origin storyof how we were talking about astrology
at the time.
It was something about beingat a hole in a wall bar called Ernie's
on karaoke night.
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But that's for another day.
That was a lot of fun.
Thank you for coming and thankyou for taking a look at Ashley's
chart because.
My pleasure.
Because I wanted to know.
And this is part of the reasonI was so curious.
You looked at my chart thefirst time I met you and I remember
when you started the reading,you didn't know who I was because
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Medium just came out and Iremember you saying, I don't know
what you do, but there's a lotof homicide in your chart.
So what did you see in Ashley's?
Does she have a lot ofhomicide in her chart too?
No, she has investigation inher chart.
Okay, well tell us about that.
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She can investigate anythingand tear it apart and put it back
together.
That's what she does.
So Ashley, she has herSagittarian sun sign in the house
of Scorpio which makes her anatural investigator or searcher,
if you will, for Sagittariusinto all things Scorpio, which obviously
is crime and the dark side andeverything else that she finds hidden
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in the background, if youwill, which is unfortunately that
it is in dark areas, you know.
But I told her that when Ilooked at her chart, I said, in the
past, her lesson is to serveothers over herself in terms of how
she looks at her relationshipsand serving her husband.
And she was elevated in herpast life with a successful husband.
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And I said that I thought hemight have been a doctor.
And she started going intomedical early on in her career because
she was used to being aroundthat world.
But she was always thepromoter of her husband, never for
herself.
And so she, in her childhoodshe felt lonely because no one's
really there for her becauseher husband wasn't there for her.
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She's there for everybody.
And in her story she's doingeverything for everybody.
And so now there's animbalance coming in this lifetime
for her to find the balancebetween how much she does for over
other people, which is tooverdo, versus how much she doesn't
do for herself.
And she comes in with a wound.
If she does anything forherself, she feels massively guilty.
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So the problem with that is Iwant to be there for others, but
then there's no boards andboundaries for me.
And she has this, like yousaid, she has a moon in Taurus and
a Taurus rising.
So a double Taurean, who inher case, the moon is hidden in the
12th house.
So emotionally she's selfsufficient, but she draws herself
away from people in her emotions.
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And another challenge for heris that when she over gives and she
gets criticized, she tends toblow up at them because she suppresses
all of her emotions.
I saw her moon in Taurus comeout at dinner.
You're like, I am.
You'll order one of everything.
We went to dinner when Irecorded Crime Junkie with you in
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Indianapolis, and we went todinner and she ordered like one of
everything.
I'm like, this girl and I aregonna be friends for sure.
So do you think her guiltrevolves around maybe your little
girl?
You being away from her, itcould involve you feeling like you're
taking your time away from her sometimes.
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Everything I feel, yeah, myguilt is.
In everything I do for, youknow, if I'm spending time with my
daughter, then I'm likeleaving people here at work and I'm
not doing enough and I'm doingstuff at work.
It's her or it's like I evendo something for myself and I'm not
with my husband enough or myfriends are like it's my.
I am just like a ball of guilt.
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Yeah.
And it's funny because I toldher when she, I said you have a child
because you said she'd had alittle girl.
And I said the minute thatchild was born, it just went into
maximum because now it's likeshe has a career and she has a child.
And for a woman, especiallyfor Ashley with her service soul
to serve everyone overherself, it's like it gets only exacerbated
in that situation, you know.
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And then, and then she saidher daughter basically clings to
her 24 7, which makes it harder.
Well, she's still at that age.
She is and it's her toddler.
But like I, she's juststarting to like be into her dad.
Like it like her and I arelike this and I don't know, we've
got a special connection too,but it is all consuming.
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It's hard to balance the, thecareer life with your personal life.
And I remember when I wasdoing what I was doing on the road,
I felt so guilty being in ahotels, in other cities, states,
countries away from my girlsbecause my youngest was about your
daughter's age, I think maybea little older.
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She was like four.
And I felt so guilty.
And I always tell young momsnow, don't bother picking up at home
if there's no food on the walls.
You're doing worry about being perfect.
Nobody will remember that partof your life and, and you'll never
hear it again.
So enjoy the me time.
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Especially if you could stealthat away.
You basically have to clawback that time for yourself because
no one will give it to you.
And you can't probably get amassage without thinking about work
because when I.
Got a massage yesterday, all Ithought about was work.
I do the same thing.
I just can't shut down.
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And that's what it's likebeing a in the public eye with the
child.
So there's no way around in this.
Lifetime, this is the firsttime she did both because in the
past she just served herhusband in his career and so she
ran the whole family and wasrunning all of his probably in his
work also.
And.
But this time she wantedsomething for herself and gravitated
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into her own career whichbecame very successful.
Which is a good, good news,bad news because you know, you got
married and you start thisbusiness and it just blows up.
And so now the Pressure is onat such a huge level for you, and
I know that's hard to maintain.
If you were just managing ahusband, it'd be one thing, but you
get to be successful in this lifetime.
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And I don't like the fact thatyou feel.
You have to feel guilty,because you are.
It's ingrained.
It's just ingrained.
There's no way around it.
Did you talk to her?
A little bit.
Because I hadn't heard thisuntil you told me this.
The moon in Taurus has towatch, like real estate purchases.
Well, any money.
Any money issue.
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Any financial issue is aTaurus issue anyway.
So the need for financialsecurity and safety is strong in
Taurus and Cancers, but Tauruswants to control it.
Taurus nature, especially emotionally.
This is mine.
Don't touch it.
This is like, I don't sharemuch because I want to hold on to
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everything.
And so, you know, letting itgo into someone else's hands, which
is Scorpio, which, you know,she told me that she has her.
Her husband in the treasuryor, you know, doing the treasury
of the business or whatever,and I go, that's where challenges
come in with that relationship.
So.
Because the challenges arealways in the relationship, as I
said, make sure that you holdon to your money.
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Because in the past, when shedid everything for her husband, he
left her, so there was nomoney there.
So this time, I've been madabout this ever since we met Tom.
I don't know who his husband was.
But I've been, like, fired upand telling all my friends, you know,
finances, son of a bitch.
Finances.
With your husband, when youwork with them, even if they just
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have the money in the honey orthe hand in the honey pot there,
it's something that willcreate tension in your marriage.
I'm like you 20 years in the future.
So I'm just saying, watch that.
Because I've been that way.
I'm like, I'm the power source.
I make the money, you know,wanting to control it.
And when something's gone andyou're like, well, where did that
go?
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It creates a tension thatnever ends.
So I'm just putting that outthere as your future self.
Well, you both have it in common.
You have Taurus and your moonand Taurus in the house of Scorpio
on top of it.
Because you have the samething happen to you.
You let someone else run yourmoney, and they destroyed it.
Damn it.
So you guys have that in common.
I don't get it a lot.
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You know, I do get that when Isee it in a woman's chart.
I'll say, make sure you haveyour own bank account right away.
And then they're like, well, I don't.
You know.
And I said, well, you might.
If they're young, they don't.
And if they're older, they go,yeah, I kind of knew that early on.
And that's.
Cause it's memory.
Memory of, like, I better holdonto this.
Because we have a lot of memory.
We come in karmically fromwhat the.
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You know, the crisis and thetraumas were of the past.
And in a lot of situations,you know, men.
Women serve men, and then theyleave them for another woman or they
die or whatever it is.
And so you have to be cautiousof that, because the message is for
you, I'm to serve others over me.
And so now you have to learnto protect yourself.
And you're a protector ofothers for that reason, you see,
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which is, I always foundinteresting in your work, doing all
the crime investigation,you're protecting people from bad
things that can happen to them.
You know, you want to find thebad guy so they can't hurt other
people.
Right.
So did you.
You want to be a prosecuting attorney?
No, no.
Ashley and I totally vibe.
I mean, I get that when I mether, I'm like, finally I have somebody
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I can talk to about murder,forensics, because there's literally
nobody out there to talk to.
So it's great.
So what was her rising?
Taurus.
Oh, you said that Taurus rising.
That's a lot of Taurus.
Yeah, she's mostly in her elements.
It's fire and earth.
That's her elements.
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The air and water are very weak.
And water's weak because shecontrols her emotions and won't let
them out.
So when they come out, theycome out explosive, unfortunately.
So a Scorpio wouldn't work forher very well.
Well, Scorpio rules arelationship house.
So the whole point of herDharma is to find the Fred Astaire
to her Ginger Rogers ratherthan create the imbalance.
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Right.
Didn't I say that?
I think Eric's your Fred Astaire.
He is.
He's so.
He's.
He's been great at playingthat, like, supporting character,
like, a role in my life.
And, like, everything he'sdone and sacrificed, like, I know
he's made sacrif for my careerand what I wanted to do.
And he's just been, like, sucha supportive, amazing partner.
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But, see, you are always theone doing that in your past.
Now you've Got someone thatdoes that for you.
And I'm sure that makes you feel.
Guilty, so it probably makesyou feel a little good.
But it feels good to have aman that'll do that.
And I actually have videofootage of you being dipped by your
husband.
So you literally are GingerRogers and Fred Astaire.
Working as a team is the goalfor you, but you have to communicate
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with your partner.
Now you're asking for a hard thing.
I know not just words,feelings and how you're feeling and
not measure yourself, becauseI know that you measure yourself
when you're in a situation.
When you look at charts likethis, can you tell, like, a time
period, a person lived?
Or do you just.
Oh, my God.
That's the number one questionall my friends are asking me when
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I about this reading.
And I'm like, I didn't eventhink to ask.
I was just in my mind, in apetticoat, and I didn't.
I asked no question.
So I do have an answer to thatbecause I feel generally we tend
to come in after 30 or 40years of the past life.
It seems to be sort of.
Because I know for myself, Ihad a past life regression.
I was born in the mid-50s, andI know my last life was in the 20s.
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And so a lot of people, why werepeat music patterns in generations.
We take the thing that was inour parents or grandparents, we bring
it back and make our own version.
It happens all the timebecause it's memory.
So I think the one I do, whenI go into someone's past life, I
go into that previous one.
But there's sometimes I'll gomaybe one or two back or something,
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or way back, because therewould be a strong karmic signature,
because I did one for someone,that they were part of the Russian
family way back.
But it wasn't the past lifebecause they were the opposite.
They were poor.
So do you mean like the Tsarand the Tsarina?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
They were high Russian.
Yeah.
Royalty.
And so.
But then the last life, theywere born in the Depression, so it
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had a complete different experience.
Oh, that sucks.
And it's like, why you wereborn struggling with money in your
family.
Growing up, your parentsworked so hard, therefore you're
not getting attention.
Your parents are always working.
It's also why they felt likethey were born into the wrong family
and should have been born rich.
I know exactly how that feels.
But that's one of the things Isaid to her.
I said, you feel like youdon't belong in your own family.
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And you said, that's true.
And so the memory was, I'msupposed to have more things here.
Yes.
High five on that.
I felt the same way when I wasa little girl.
I used to look at my mom.
I'm like, this can't be right.
This can't be right.
I'll fix that.
Don't worry.
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But in both cases, the two ofyou became ambitious women to correct
that problem and still getinto relationships.
And so the challenge is, youknow, how you are in the relationship
as a woman, as a wife andbeing an ambitious woman.
Those are very similar thingsfor both of you.
So you would have been in,like, 1960 or 1950s, somewhere around
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there, probably in the 50s.
Do you like clothes?
And are you drawn to that timeperiod in movies?
And so the.
I feel like the music morethan anything, like, we grew up,
like, and.
But I don't, you know, what'smy dad showing it to me?
And what's this?
But, like, I love, like, DeanMartin and Frank Sinatra.
Yeah, that.
That would be the 50s.
Yeah, I love that.
See, that's what my parentswere in that.
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Because that was what theylistened to because they were in
that era.
But my parents, because myparents were born in the 20s, so
they were of your age in the50s and what have you.
So that's why I went back to.
And I love that.
I watch all the old moviesstill, and I love everything from
the 20s.
I'm a bourbon drinker.
Okay.
You still mention actors thatI'm like, I have no ide who you're
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talking about.
He's like, they're really famous.
I'm like, I believe you.
My favorite book and favoritemovie was always the Great Gatsby.
And that's that period.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So what.
And let me ask you this,because I find the correlation in
murders that I'm attracted to,like, cold cases, if there is something,
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say, first of all, I find the interesting.
The 20s, 30s, 40s.
I mean, I just.
I love history.
But do you feel attracted tocertain murders from certain time
periods?
Or do you.
Is it just across the board,not certain eras?
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But what is interesting in yousaying that is, Tom, you had said
that, you know, one of my bigfears or like, is that is the idea
of abandonment and, like,someone, like, just leaving.
What I'm super attracted toare missing person cases where somebody
just, like, is there oneminute and gone the next.
Like, I obsess over missingperson cases.
Yes.
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Yes.
Okay.
That's why.
That's the memory.
I'm Just so curious about that.
With the cases I look at, Iget attracted to the, like, crime
scenes of the past and lookingat them through a new lens of forensics,
what you could look at now andtrying to pull impressions of what
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I see as having happened andthink, could you fingerprint the
light glass, the glass thatwas around the light, or could you
pull trace DNA now off of theclothing that they bagged back in
the 60s?
Would that survive, things ofthat nature?
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But I was just curious fromanother person who's sort of cold
case interested in how this.
Oh, yeah.
And it's hard to decide what'sme and what's like, this new version
of me.
I don't know.
But, yeah, like, I look atcases all the time and think, like,
God, it's all sitting rightthere in that picture, for example.
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Like, you're looking at this picture.
It's all right there.
They just didn't know it wasin front of them.
Right.
I, last night turned on the tvand the first episode, the pilot
episode of Medium was on.
I was like, oh, my God, of course.
I was sitting there writingthis intro while my show was playing
in the background.
I'm like, my life is so strange.
And at the same time, when youlook at these pictures from crime
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scenes, it's something thatwe're wired to do.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, we're wired to do it.
And I don't mean it in a dark way.
Twenty years ago, I was told,how do you tread in the dark?
And now everybody listens to,you know, Crime Junkie and.
And podcasts, and they're intothe reality shows based on cold cases
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and unsolved cases and forensics.
And it's like, is everybodydark now?
Because before I was alonewhen everyone was telling me how
dark I was.
I know people are, like, morewilling to explore in dark areas,
but people ask me all thetime, and there's so many people
who will say, like, I listenedto Crime Junkie and I, like, binged
it.
And then I had to take a breakand, like, it was dark.
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And then I come back to it,and they'll ask me all the time,
like, how do you do this dayin and day out?
And it's exactly what I tell people.
I was like, some people arejust, like, made to live in that
space.
Have you got.
Have you gotten a suggestionfrom one of your listeners to look
at something you hadn'tthought of before?
Like, do you have thosemoments with your.
Your listeners for CrimeJunkie where they see Something in
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the picture you post or they.
Yeah, every once in a whileit's not a ton of visual stuff because
of the podcast.
I mean, we have visuals, but,you know, a lot fewer people go look
online.
But every once in a whilethere'll be like a theory that I
hadn't considered or they'relike, looking at things through just
like a different lens.
A different lens?
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Yeah.
I just find it helpful whenyou have a bunch of fresh eyes looking
at a case, especially in thefuture, looking back at the past.
I was just curious if you hadthat connection.
So with her chart, what is hermars in Aries.
But it's in the 12th house ofwhat's hidden.
So once again, she's holdingback her passion, her emotion and
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anger and resentment.
It's all sitting there waitingfor her.
Damn, girl.
Damn.
It's just.
It's not healthy, though.
That's the thing.
I said it's not healthy to herenergy, to her body, because when
you suppress things, itcreates a lot of illness.
I said I kept getting ulcerswith her because she's holding everything
in.
Go to a break room and justtear that room apart with a baseball
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bat.
Worth the money.
My daughter went to one.
She's like, that was awesome.
You feel great when you leave.
Just smash the hell out of everything.
When Tom said, he's like, youjust like explode.
And I was like, I actuallydon't, like, I don't think anyone.
Like, I've never liked.
If you haven't, you haven'thit that point yet.
Yeah.
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Have someone leave you and seewhat you do.
Yeah, no, I'm.
Yeah, yeah.
You'd have a waiting to exhalemoment where she puts all the clothes
in the car and lights it up.
That's just like simmering,waiting for like the.
We're saving it up.
Well, yeah.
You're 36, for Pete's sake.
Come on.
It's like.
And everything looks goodright now.
The husband's good, thechild's good.
And then someone's gonna screwyou and you're gonna be like, that's
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it.
Get the lawyers.
It's so funny.
Like, there were like theselittle things I did as a kid or like
sayings I had that like, madeno sense for like a 12 year old to
have, but, like, do now that.
That.
That we did the reading.
And one of them, I used to sayall the time in like middle school,
and my mom was like, don't beso dramatic.
Is.
I would always be very pessimistic.
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And I was Like, I would ratherbe pleasantly surprised than horribly
disappointed.
And my mom's like, you're somuch drama.
Like, just live life.
You were like a little oldlady in a child's body.
Me, too.
I think we're just old souls.
We've been here before.
We've been here, done that.
You know, I'd like to hear.
In a past life, maybe I was ahomicide detective, and I didn't
get to solve a certain case,and I have to go back and solve it
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now.
That's funny.
But you're.
You have so many crime junkiefans that if somebody did cross you,
that would be a hard one forthem to live with, because all of
your girls would be like, weride at dawn.
I know.
I know.
I like, I've got a.
I've got a good group.
I've never had to put them towork if I need to.
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That's so funny.
Well, was there anything elsein her chart that really stood out?
Well, I was teasing her aboutpuzzles because I said, you're.
You're a problem solver.
That's her.
How her mind's very analytical.
And it was funny because Isaid, you're always trying to solve
puzzles, whether Sudoku or anactual puzzle or crossword.
And she goes, I have puzzlesconstantly going.
And I finally just finished one.
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I was just like, say, there's a.
I finished my first puzzle theother day.
So you can see things likethat in charts.
That's so fascinating.
I told her, I go, sometimesthese things come to me.
I'll just say the word.
And then she'd say, oh, yeah,I'm doing puzzles.
And I go, yeah, that's how it works.
Oh, that's a good constructiveoutlet for you.
Yeah, it's.
And she needs a lot of timealone to work through her emotions.
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But, you know, it's going,going, going all the time.
And that's why you may notsay, well, I'm doing everything to
suppress it.
I don't want to blow up,because I'd rather be disappointed.
You know, I don't want to bedisappointed, because you always
were disappointed becauseyou're always alone doing everything.
And one of the things that wasscreaming in my head right away when
I got into her story was thefact, you know, I'm doing everything,
and I'm doing everything for you.
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That's, you know, that's her cry.
And then it's like, because noone's doing anything for me is the
other half of that.
You know, she has assistantsthat can do things for Her.
That's true.
I'm getting to be damn near,like, useless on my own, which makes
me nervous.
It's so hard when you're usedto having hair and makeup people.
I remember sitting in front ofa mirror in my house after I came
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back off tour, and I wasn'tdoing press anymore, and I just stared
in the mirror like I waswaiting for someone to do my makeup.
That's the thing.
I haven't.
I'm still doing all my ownhair and makeup, so I haven't.
I haven't done that yet.
But, like, I don't know how toget my coffee in the morning anymore.
That's so.
That's okay.
That's okay.
But I.
When I met Allison, I said,you were famous in your past life.
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So she's used to being a diva,you see.
So that's.
She was famous and she waspersecuted for her fame, which, again,
in this lifetime, it happens again.
Ta da.
Yeah.
And she also has a lot.
Here we are.
She's only recently got intothe female form.
She's been male for a lot oflives, so she's got a lot of male
energy.
And so.
But what happened in her past,it was like an Elvis Presley story.
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She was famous, and she gaveall her power to the manager or whatever,
and they ran away with her money.
And that's her wound.
So crisis with money.
People.
I know.
Goddamn men.
I went to Tombstone, Arizona.
I've always gravitated to1885, around that time in Tombstone,
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Arizona.
So when Tom said that I wasmale in a past life, I knew I was
a womanizing pig.
Absolutely.
Like, carried a gun.
Yeah.
You know, I'm sure.
Maybe I was a sheriff.
I don't know if I was good orbad, but I feel like I tried to be
good and.
But a lot of women and justlived in the moment, and that just
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feels right.
But when I was in Tombstone,I'm like, home.
It was just such a good feeling.
So wild.
And so in this lifetime, Iremember being like.
I remember Joe and I.
Not to divulge too much, but,you know, sometimes in a bathing
suit or when you're gettingdressed, you're like, I look pretty
good.
He was like, are you checkingyourself out?
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I said, I was just recognizingmy natural attributes and my unnatural
attributes, and they all look good.
I love it.
So, yeah, I could see being aguy before where I'm like, what are
these?
I got my own.
How nice.
You know?
And her father was very handsome.
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He was a womanizer and very handsome.
So she related to him in real life.
Like, in this life.
In this life, he was aprofessional ballroom dancer, and
he had a propensity for blondes.
All of them.
Yeah.
So Allison saw a bit ofherself and her dad.
You know what?
It didn't bother me that hewas like that.
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Exactly.
That's why it didn't.
I backed his play as a child.
He's like, now, don't tell soand so about so and so.
He's like, we don't need tobring that up.
I'm like, okay, dad.
Oh, you understood.
You understood.
I got it.
Mission accomplished.
I got.
I got what he needed me to do.
Keep my mouth shut.
I know.
So was there anything thatstood out in her chart that really
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caught you off guard or did it all.
It never cast me off guardbecause I could become the person.
Don't you ever see somethingin someone's chart where you're like,
what the fuck?
Like, where it's something sobad or so astounding that you're
like, I've never seen that before?
Sometimes.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
So, like, in some of thekillers charts that I had you run,
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did.
You see some of them?
I don't like you having me do this.
Like the Menendez brothers.
Yeah.
No, I don't.
And what about in Dahmer?
Dahmer.
Dahmers.
She puts me in the place thatyou girls go to.
I don't want to be in at all.
I go, when can I do someonelike Christopher Reeve Superman?
You know, the opposite of this?
Yeah.
Oh, God, no.
And then, like, I feel likethat's more you than me.
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Like, I don't know.
And like, I'm trying to figureout what happened and not necessarily
even why.
Or, like, ugh.
Thank you to Ashley flowersand Tom McMullen for being here today.
It was so much fun goingthrough her birth chart and finding
out what the birth chart of acrime junkie looks like.
Tune in next week for part twowith Ashley Flowers and Tom McMullen.
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What do we have going on foryou at the Dead Life today?
Well, we have a very specialguest today.
Some of you might know herfrom the very popular podcast Crime
Junkyaf.
The one and only, Ashley Flowers.
Hello.
(00:23):
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weigh in on this episode.
Ashley and I were talkingabout past lives recently and astrological
readings.
She had never had her chart read.
So I introduced Ashley flowersto Tom McMullen to see what Tom would
uncover in a crime junkie'sbirth chart.
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Well, Ashley, welcome to the show.
Hi.
I'm so excited.
Thank you so much for takingtime out of your busy tour schedule.
I know you're all over theplace right now.
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No, this feels like someonerecently told me, Tom, that I have
to do things for myself andthis feels like something for myself.
So this is good.
Yes, that was something I didtell her.
So funny.
I didn't give the origin storyof how we were talking about astrology
at the time.
It was something about beingat a hole in a wall bar called Ernie's
on karaoke night.
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But that's for another day.
That was a lot of fun.
Thank you for coming and thankyou for taking a look at Ashley's
chart because.
My pleasure.
Because I wanted to know.
And this is part of the reasonI was so curious.
You looked at my chart thefirst time I met you and I remember
when you started the reading,you didn't know who I was because
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Medium just came out and Iremember you saying, I don't know
what you do, but there's a lotof homicide in your chart.
So what did you see in Ashley's?
Does she have a lot ofhomicide in her chart too?
No, she has investigation inher chart.
Okay, well tell us about that.
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She can investigate anythingand tear it apart and put it back
together.
That's what she does.
So Ashley, she has herSagittarian sun sign in the house
of Scorpio which makes her anatural investigator or searcher,
if you will, for Sagittariusinto all things Scorpio, which obviously
is crime and the dark side andeverything else that she finds hidden
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in the background, if youwill, which is unfortunately that
it is in dark areas, you know.
But I told her that when Ilooked at her chart, I said, in the
past, her lesson is to serveothers over herself in terms of how
she looks at her relationshipsand serving her husband.
And she was elevated in herpast life with a successful husband.
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And I said that I thought hemight have been a doctor.
And she started going intomedical early on in her career because
she was used to being aroundthat world.
But she was always thepromoter of her husband, never for
herself.
And so she, in her childhoodshe felt lonely because no one's
really there for her becauseher husband wasn't there for her.
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She's there for everybody.
And in her story she's doingeverything for everybody.
And so now there's animbalance coming in this lifetime
for her to find the balancebetween how much she does for over
other people, which is tooverdo, versus how much she doesn't
do for herself.
And she comes in with a wound.
If she does anything forherself, she feels massively guilty.
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So the problem with that is Iwant to be there for others, but
then there's no boards andboundaries for me.
And she has this, like yousaid, she has a moon in Taurus and
a Taurus rising.
So a double Taurean, who inher case, the moon is hidden in the
12th house.
So emotionally she's selfsufficient, but she draws herself
away from people in her emotions.
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And another challenge for heris that when she over gives and she
gets criticized, she tends toblow up at them because she suppresses
all of her emotions.
I saw her moon in Taurus comeout at dinner.
You're like, I am.
You'll order one of everything.
We went to dinner when Irecorded Crime Junkie with you in
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Indianapolis, and we went todinner and she ordered like one of
everything.
I'm like, this girl and I aregonna be friends for sure.
So do you think her guiltrevolves around maybe your little
girl?
You being away from her, itcould involve you feeling like you're
taking your time away from her sometimes.
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Everything I feel, yeah, myguilt is.
In everything I do for, youknow, if I'm spending time with my
daughter, then I'm likeleaving people here at work and I'm
not doing enough and I'm doingstuff at work.
It's her or it's like I evendo something for myself and I'm not
with my husband enough or myfriends are like it's my.
I am just like a ball of guilt.
(05:22):
Yeah.
And it's funny because I toldher when she, I said you have a child
because you said she'd had alittle girl.
And I said the minute thatchild was born, it just went into
maximum because now it's likeshe has a career and she has a child.
And for a woman, especiallyfor Ashley with her service soul
to serve everyone overherself, it's like it gets only exacerbated
in that situation, you know.
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And then, and then she saidher daughter basically clings to
her 24 7, which makes it harder.
Well, she's still at that age.
She is and it's her toddler.
But like I, she's juststarting to like be into her dad.
Like it like her and I arelike this and I don't know, we've
got a special connection too,but it is all consuming.
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It's hard to balance the, thecareer life with your personal life.
And I remember when I wasdoing what I was doing on the road,
I felt so guilty being in ahotels, in other cities, states,
countries away from my girlsbecause my youngest was about your
daughter's age, I think maybea little older.
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She was like four.
And I felt so guilty.
And I always tell young momsnow, don't bother picking up at home
if there's no food on the walls.
You're doing worry about being perfect.
Nobody will remember that partof your life and, and you'll never
hear it again.
So enjoy the me time.
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Especially if you could stealthat away.
You basically have to clawback that time for yourself because
no one will give it to you.
And you can't probably get amassage without thinking about work
because when I.
Got a massage yesterday, all Ithought about was work.
I do the same thing.
I just can't shut down.
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And that's what it's likebeing a in the public eye with the
child.
So there's no way around in this.
Lifetime, this is the firsttime she did both because in the
past she just served herhusband in his career and so she
ran the whole family and wasrunning all of his probably in his
work also.
And.
But this time she wantedsomething for herself and gravitated
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into her own career whichbecame very successful.
Which is a good, good news,bad news because you know, you got
married and you start thisbusiness and it just blows up.
And so now the Pressure is onat such a huge level for you, and
I know that's hard to maintain.
If you were just managing ahusband, it'd be one thing, but you
get to be successful in this lifetime.
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And I don't like the fact thatyou feel.
You have to feel guilty,because you are.
It's ingrained.
It's just ingrained.
There's no way around it.
Did you talk to her?
A little bit.
Because I hadn't heard thisuntil you told me this.
The moon in Taurus has towatch, like real estate purchases.
Well, any money.
Any money issue.
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Any financial issue is aTaurus issue anyway.
So the need for financialsecurity and safety is strong in
Taurus and Cancers, but Tauruswants to control it.
Taurus nature, especially emotionally.
This is mine.
Don't touch it.
This is like, I don't sharemuch because I want to hold on to
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everything.
And so, you know, letting itgo into someone else's hands, which
is Scorpio, which, you know,she told me that she has her.
Her husband in the treasuryor, you know, doing the treasury
of the business or whatever,and I go, that's where challenges
come in with that relationship.
So.
Because the challenges arealways in the relationship, as I
said, make sure that you holdon to your money.
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Because in the past, when shedid everything for her husband, he
left her, so there was nomoney there.
So this time, I've been madabout this ever since we met Tom.
I don't know who his husband was.
But I've been, like, fired upand telling all my friends, you know,
finances, son of a bitch.
Finances.
With your husband, when youwork with them, even if they just
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have the money in the honey orthe hand in the honey pot there,
it's something that willcreate tension in your marriage.
I'm like you 20 years in the future.
So I'm just saying, watch that.
Because I've been that way.
I'm like, I'm the power source.
I make the money, you know,wanting to control it.
And when something's gone andyou're like, well, where did that
go?
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It creates a tension thatnever ends.
So I'm just putting that outthere as your future self.
Well, you both have it in common.
You have Taurus and your moonand Taurus in the house of Scorpio
on top of it.
Because you have the samething happen to you.
You let someone else run yourmoney, and they destroyed it.
Damn it.
So you guys have that in common.
I don't get it a lot.
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You know, I do get that when Isee it in a woman's chart.
I'll say, make sure you haveyour own bank account right away.
And then they're like, well, I don't.
You know.
And I said, well, you might.
If they're young, they don't.
And if they're older, they go,yeah, I kind of knew that early on.
And that's.
Cause it's memory.
Memory of, like, I better holdonto this.
Because we have a lot of memory.
We come in karmically fromwhat the.
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You know, the crisis and thetraumas were of the past.
And in a lot of situations,you know, men.
Women serve men, and then theyleave them for another woman or they
die or whatever it is.
And so you have to be cautiousof that, because the message is for
you, I'm to serve others over me.
And so now you have to learnto protect yourself.
And you're a protector ofothers for that reason, you see,
(10:39):
which is, I always foundinteresting in your work, doing all
the crime investigation,you're protecting people from bad
things that can happen to them.
You know, you want to find thebad guy so they can't hurt other
people.
Right.
So did you.
You want to be a prosecuting attorney?
No, no.
Ashley and I totally vibe.
I mean, I get that when I mether, I'm like, finally I have somebody
(11:00):
I can talk to about murder,forensics, because there's literally
nobody out there to talk to.
So it's great.
So what was her rising?
Taurus.
Oh, you said that Taurus rising.
That's a lot of Taurus.
Yeah, she's mostly in her elements.
It's fire and earth.
That's her elements.
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The air and water are very weak.
And water's weak because shecontrols her emotions and won't let
them out.
So when they come out, theycome out explosive, unfortunately.
So a Scorpio wouldn't work forher very well.
Well, Scorpio rules arelationship house.
So the whole point of herDharma is to find the Fred Astaire
to her Ginger Rogers ratherthan create the imbalance.
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Right.
Didn't I say that?
I think Eric's your Fred Astaire.
He is.
He's so.
He's.
He's been great at playingthat, like, supporting character,
like, a role in my life.
And, like, everything he'sdone and sacrificed, like, I know
he's made sacrif for my careerand what I wanted to do.
And he's just been, like, sucha supportive, amazing partner.
(12:05):
But, see, you are always theone doing that in your past.
Now you've Got someone thatdoes that for you.
And I'm sure that makes you feel.
Guilty, so it probably makesyou feel a little good.
But it feels good to have aman that'll do that.
And I actually have videofootage of you being dipped by your
husband.
So you literally are GingerRogers and Fred Astaire.
Working as a team is the goalfor you, but you have to communicate
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with your partner.
Now you're asking for a hard thing.
I know not just words,feelings and how you're feeling and
not measure yourself, becauseI know that you measure yourself
when you're in a situation.
When you look at charts likethis, can you tell, like, a time
period, a person lived?
Or do you just.
Oh, my God.
That's the number one questionall my friends are asking me when
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I about this reading.
And I'm like, I didn't eventhink to ask.
I was just in my mind, in apetticoat, and I didn't.
I asked no question.
So I do have an answer to thatbecause I feel generally we tend
to come in after 30 or 40years of the past life.
It seems to be sort of.
Because I know for myself, Ihad a past life regression.
I was born in the mid-50s, andI know my last life was in the 20s.
(13:13):
And so a lot of people, why werepeat music patterns in generations.
We take the thing that was inour parents or grandparents, we bring
it back and make our own version.
It happens all the timebecause it's memory.
So I think the one I do, whenI go into someone's past life, I
go into that previous one.
But there's sometimes I'll gomaybe one or two back or something,
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or way back, because therewould be a strong karmic signature,
because I did one for someone,that they were part of the Russian
family way back.
But it wasn't the past lifebecause they were the opposite.
They were poor.
So do you mean like the Tsarand the Tsarina?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
They were high Russian.
Yeah.
Royalty.
And so.
But then the last life, theywere born in the Depression, so it
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had a complete different experience.
Oh, that sucks.
And it's like, why you wereborn struggling with money in your
family.
Growing up, your parentsworked so hard, therefore you're
not getting attention.
Your parents are always working.
It's also why they felt likethey were born into the wrong family
and should have been born rich.
I know exactly how that feels.
But that's one of the things Isaid to her.
I said, you feel like youdon't belong in your own family.
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And you said, that's true.
And so the memory was, I'msupposed to have more things here.
Yes.
High five on that.
I felt the same way when I wasa little girl.
I used to look at my mom.
I'm like, this can't be right.
This can't be right.
I'll fix that.
Don't worry.
(14:41):
But in both cases, the two ofyou became ambitious women to correct
that problem and still getinto relationships.
And so the challenge is, youknow, how you are in the relationship
as a woman, as a wife andbeing an ambitious woman.
Those are very similar thingsfor both of you.
So you would have been in,like, 1960 or 1950s, somewhere around
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there, probably in the 50s.
Do you like clothes?
And are you drawn to that timeperiod in movies?
And so the.
I feel like the music morethan anything, like, we grew up,
like, and.
But I don't, you know, what'smy dad showing it to me?
And what's this?
But, like, I love, like, DeanMartin and Frank Sinatra.
Yeah, that.
That would be the 50s.
Yeah, I love that.
See, that's what my parentswere in that.
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Because that was what theylistened to because they were in
that era.
But my parents, because myparents were born in the 20s, so
they were of your age in the50s and what have you.
So that's why I went back to.
And I love that.
I watch all the old moviesstill, and I love everything from
the 20s.
I'm a bourbon drinker.
Okay.
You still mention actors thatI'm like, I have no ide who you're
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talking about.
He's like, they're really famous.
I'm like, I believe you.
My favorite book and favoritemovie was always the Great Gatsby.
And that's that period.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
So what.
And let me ask you this,because I find the correlation in
murders that I'm attracted to,like, cold cases, if there is something,
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say, first of all, I find the interesting.
The 20s, 30s, 40s.
I mean, I just.
I love history.
But do you feel attracted tocertain murders from certain time
periods?
Or do you.
Is it just across the board,not certain eras?
(16:30):
But what is interesting in yousaying that is, Tom, you had said
that, you know, one of my bigfears or like, is that is the idea
of abandonment and, like,someone, like, just leaving.
What I'm super attracted toare missing person cases where somebody
just, like, is there oneminute and gone the next.
Like, I obsess over missingperson cases.
Yes.
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Yes.
Okay.
That's why.
That's the memory.
I'm Just so curious about that.
With the cases I look at, Iget attracted to the, like, crime
scenes of the past and lookingat them through a new lens of forensics,
what you could look at now andtrying to pull impressions of what
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I see as having happened andthink, could you fingerprint the
light glass, the glass thatwas around the light, or could you
pull trace DNA now off of theclothing that they bagged back in
the 60s?
Would that survive, things ofthat nature?
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But I was just curious fromanother person who's sort of cold
case interested in how this.
Oh, yeah.
And it's hard to decide what'sme and what's like, this new version
of me.
I don't know.
But, yeah, like, I look atcases all the time and think, like,
God, it's all sitting rightthere in that picture, for example.
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Like, you're looking at this picture.
It's all right there.
They just didn't know it wasin front of them.
Right.
I, last night turned on the tvand the first episode, the pilot
episode of Medium was on.
I was like, oh, my God, of course.
I was sitting there writingthis intro while my show was playing
in the background.
I'm like, my life is so strange.
And at the same time, when youlook at these pictures from crime
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scenes, it's something thatwe're wired to do.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, we're wired to do it.
And I don't mean it in a dark way.
Twenty years ago, I was told,how do you tread in the dark?
And now everybody listens to,you know, Crime Junkie and.
And podcasts, and they're intothe reality shows based on cold cases
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and unsolved cases and forensics.
And it's like, is everybodydark now?
Because before I was alonewhen everyone was telling me how
dark I was.
I know people are, like, morewilling to explore in dark areas,
but people ask me all thetime, and there's so many people
who will say, like, I listenedto Crime Junkie and I, like, binged
it.
And then I had to take a breakand, like, it was dark.
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And then I come back to it,and they'll ask me all the time,
like, how do you do this dayin and day out?
And it's exactly what I tell people.
I was like, some people arejust, like, made to live in that
space.
Have you got.
Have you gotten a suggestionfrom one of your listeners to look
at something you hadn'tthought of before?
Like, do you have thosemoments with your.
Your listeners for CrimeJunkie where they see Something in
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the picture you post or they.
Yeah, every once in a whileit's not a ton of visual stuff because
of the podcast.
I mean, we have visuals, but,you know, a lot fewer people go look
online.
But every once in a whilethere'll be like a theory that I
hadn't considered or they'relike, looking at things through just
like a different lens.
A different lens?
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Yeah.
I just find it helpful whenyou have a bunch of fresh eyes looking
at a case, especially in thefuture, looking back at the past.
I was just curious if you hadthat connection.
So with her chart, what is hermars in Aries.
But it's in the 12th house ofwhat's hidden.
So once again, she's holdingback her passion, her emotion and
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anger and resentment.
It's all sitting there waitingfor her.
Damn, girl.
Damn.
It's just.
It's not healthy, though.
That's the thing.
I said it's not healthy to herenergy, to her body, because when
you suppress things, itcreates a lot of illness.
I said I kept getting ulcerswith her because she's holding everything
in.
Go to a break room and justtear that room apart with a baseball
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bat.
Worth the money.
My daughter went to one.
She's like, that was awesome.
You feel great when you leave.
Just smash the hell out of everything.
When Tom said, he's like, youjust like explode.
And I was like, I actuallydon't, like, I don't think anyone.
Like, I've never liked.
If you haven't, you haven'thit that point yet.
Yeah.
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Have someone leave you and seewhat you do.
Yeah, no, I'm.
Yeah, yeah.
You'd have a waiting to exhalemoment where she puts all the clothes
in the car and lights it up.
That's just like simmering,waiting for like the.
We're saving it up.
Well, yeah.
You're 36, for Pete's sake.
Come on.
It's like.
And everything looks goodright now.
The husband's good, thechild's good.
And then someone's gonna screwyou and you're gonna be like, that's
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it.
Get the lawyers.
It's so funny.
Like, there were like theselittle things I did as a kid or like
sayings I had that like, madeno sense for like a 12 year old to
have, but, like, do now that.
That.
That we did the reading.
And one of them, I used to sayall the time in like middle school,
and my mom was like, don't beso dramatic.
Is.
I would always be very pessimistic.
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And I was Like, I would ratherbe pleasantly surprised than horribly
disappointed.
And my mom's like, you're somuch drama.
Like, just live life.
You were like a little oldlady in a child's body.
Me, too.
I think we're just old souls.
We've been here before.
We've been here, done that.
You know, I'd like to hear.
In a past life, maybe I was ahomicide detective, and I didn't
get to solve a certain case,and I have to go back and solve it
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now.
That's funny.
But you're.
You have so many crime junkiefans that if somebody did cross you,
that would be a hard one forthem to live with, because all of
your girls would be like, weride at dawn.
I know.
I know.
I like, I've got a.
I've got a good group.
I've never had to put them towork if I need to.
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That's so funny.
Well, was there anything elsein her chart that really stood out?
Well, I was teasing her aboutpuzzles because I said, you're.
You're a problem solver.
That's her.
How her mind's very analytical.
And it was funny because Isaid, you're always trying to solve
puzzles, whether Sudoku or anactual puzzle or crossword.
And she goes, I have puzzlesconstantly going.
And I finally just finished one.
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I was just like, say, there's a.
I finished my first puzzle theother day.
So you can see things likethat in charts.
That's so fascinating.
I told her, I go, sometimesthese things come to me.
I'll just say the word.
And then she'd say, oh, yeah,I'm doing puzzles.
And I go, yeah, that's how it works.
Oh, that's a good constructiveoutlet for you.
Yeah, it's.
And she needs a lot of timealone to work through her emotions.
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But, you know, it's going,going, going all the time.
And that's why you may notsay, well, I'm doing everything to
suppress it.
I don't want to blow up,because I'd rather be disappointed.
You know, I don't want to bedisappointed, because you always
were disappointed becauseyou're always alone doing everything.
And one of the things that wasscreaming in my head right away when
I got into her story was thefact, you know, I'm doing everything,
and I'm doing everything for you.
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That's, you know, that's her cry.
And then it's like, because noone's doing anything for me is the
other half of that.
You know, she has assistantsthat can do things for Her.
That's true.
I'm getting to be damn near,like, useless on my own, which makes
me nervous.
It's so hard when you're usedto having hair and makeup people.
I remember sitting in front ofa mirror in my house after I came
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back off tour, and I wasn'tdoing press anymore, and I just stared
in the mirror like I waswaiting for someone to do my makeup.
That's the thing.
I haven't.
I'm still doing all my ownhair and makeup, so I haven't.
I haven't done that yet.
But, like, I don't know how toget my coffee in the morning anymore.
That's so.
That's okay.
That's okay.
But I.
When I met Allison, I said,you were famous in your past life.
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So she's used to being a diva,you see.
So that's.
She was famous and she waspersecuted for her fame, which, again,
in this lifetime, it happens again.
Ta da.
Yeah.
And she also has a lot.
Here we are.
She's only recently got intothe female form.
She's been male for a lot oflives, so she's got a lot of male
energy.
And so.
But what happened in her past,it was like an Elvis Presley story.
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She was famous, and she gaveall her power to the manager or whatever,
and they ran away with her money.
And that's her wound.
So crisis with money.
People.
I know.
Goddamn men.
I went to Tombstone, Arizona.
I've always gravitated to1885, around that time in Tombstone,
(24:42):
Arizona.
So when Tom said that I wasmale in a past life, I knew I was
a womanizing pig.
Absolutely.
Like, carried a gun.
Yeah.
You know, I'm sure.
Maybe I was a sheriff.
I don't know if I was good orbad, but I feel like I tried to be
good and.
But a lot of women and justlived in the moment, and that just
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feels right.
But when I was in Tombstone,I'm like, home.
It was just such a good feeling.
So wild.
And so in this lifetime, Iremember being like.
I remember Joe and I.
Not to divulge too much, but,you know, sometimes in a bathing
suit or when you're gettingdressed, you're like, I look pretty
good.
He was like, are you checkingyourself out?
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I said, I was just recognizingmy natural attributes and my unnatural
attributes, and they all look good.
I love it.
So, yeah, I could see being aguy before where I'm like, what are
these?
I got my own.
How nice.
You know?
And her father was very handsome.
(25:46):
He was a womanizer and very handsome.
So she related to him in real life.
Like, in this life.
In this life, he was aprofessional ballroom dancer, and
he had a propensity for blondes.
All of them.
Yeah.
So Allison saw a bit ofherself and her dad.
You know what?
It didn't bother me that hewas like that.
(26:06):
Exactly.
That's why it didn't.
I backed his play as a child.
He's like, now, don't tell soand so about so and so.
He's like, we don't need tobring that up.
I'm like, okay, dad.
Oh, you understood.
You understood.
I got it.
Mission accomplished.
I got.
I got what he needed me to do.
Keep my mouth shut.
I know.
So was there anything thatstood out in her chart that really
(26:30):
caught you off guard or did it all.
It never cast me off guardbecause I could become the person.
Don't you ever see somethingin someone's chart where you're like,
what the fuck?
Like, where it's something sobad or so astounding that you're
like, I've never seen that before?
Sometimes.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
So, like, in some of thekillers charts that I had you run,
(26:51):
did.
You see some of them?
I don't like you having me do this.
Like the Menendez brothers.
Yeah.
No, I don't.
And what about in Dahmer?
Dahmer.
Dahmers.
She puts me in the place thatyou girls go to.
I don't want to be in at all.
I go, when can I do someonelike Christopher Reeve Superman?
You know, the opposite of this?
Yeah.
Oh, God, no.
And then, like, I feel likethat's more you than me.
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Like, I don't know.
And like, I'm trying to figureout what happened and not necessarily
even why.
Or, like, ugh.
Thank you to Ashley flowersand Tom McMullen for being here today.
It was so much fun goingthrough her birth chart and finding
out what the birth chart of acrime junkie looks like.
Tune in next week for part twowith Ashley Flowers and Tom McMullen.
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I'm Alison Dubois.
This is the Dead Life, and toall of my believers out there, don't
stop believing.
Join us next week on the Deadlight.
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