April 8, 2025 • 30 mins
In this episode we investigate the investigator as my resident astrologer, Tom McMullan, reads true crime podcasting star Ashley Flowers' chart. Tom reveals how celestial alignments influence individual choices and behaviors, particularly in the context of her career and personal relationships. Throughout this episode, we examine the intersection of astrology and the human experience, contemplating the extent to which our birth charts reflect the energies we bring into our lives and how these energies shape our destinies. The episode serves as an invitation for listeners to reflect on their own life journeys through the lens of astrology, encouraging a deeper understanding of the intrinsic connections between our past, present, and future. As the discussion unfolds, we uncover the transformative potential of acknowledging one's astrological influences, fostering a sense of empowerment and clarity for those seeking to navigate their paths with intention and insight. This is the second part of a two part episode.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:02):
Welcome to the Dead Life.
Here's world renowned mediumAlison Dubois.
What do we have going on foryou at the Dead Life today?
Well, we have a very specialguest today.
Some of you might know herfrom the very popular podcast Crime
Junkyaf.
The one and only Ashley Flowers.
Hello.
(00:23):
I also have your favoriteastrologer Tom McMullen here to weigh
in on this episode.
Ashley and I were talkingabout past lives recently and astrological
readings.
She had never had her chart read.
So I introduced Ashley flowersto Tom McMullen to see what Tom would
uncover in a crime junkie'sbirth chart.
(00:44):
So buckle up for what willprove to be an eye opening episode
today.
So stay tuned to put to book areading with me.
Emailus@bookinglisondubois.com if you
have a life reading for me andSophia for my Love Me Love Me not
segment.
Leave your questions at 802-332-3811.
(01:04):
If you want to watch past andpresent episodes of the Dead Life
you can follow me on YouTube.
Please like and subscribe.
Go to Allison Dubois.com formore information about what I'm up
to.
Tom gets so upset with me, somad at me when I ask him to do that.
But I think it's interestingto be able to take a chart and see
(01:26):
if you can recognize deviancein a chart and how much of it is
will, will, free will andlearned and how much of it is preconditioned
energy that we came in with.
So that's why I had him runthe charts.
I wanted to know what wouldthey have looked like had they done
(01:48):
something like ignoring theirinstinct to hunt.
What would their life hadlooked like then?
Have you ever done a reallyinteresting one that you were like,
oh, it would have been so different.
Well, I would say Ted Bundy.
Ted Bundy, Yeah, Ted Bundy was.
I get the sense that whensomeone comes in with really they
(02:08):
come in a victim of veryhorrible things in their past, there's
two choices.
One that can overcome them andbecome a, you know, a proponent for
others who have gone throughthat or they stay the victim and
they want to, you know, getthe, get somebody back for it.
You know, that's likeingrained in them to repeat it.
So most of them have mommyissues, like severe.
(02:30):
That's why I don't like doingthis, Ashley, because I go into their
energy and I don't like goinginto that.
Space and absent fathers.
See, I can't stay objective inmy readings.
I completely become in thatperson's energy.
Me too.
So Well, I know.
I mean, that's what we do.
That's what we do, so.
Because people go, well, howdo you do that?
(02:51):
I go, I just do.
That's what I do.
I'm not a typical astrologerthat's trying to analyze your chart,
predict your future, even withthe things going on right now, the
changes that are going on.
I gave you the concept ofwhat's going on and where it is in
your career, and now youdecide you're in charge of your destiny.
But what you know now aboutyour past helps you make these decisions
(03:11):
going forward.
Right.
Does she not have water in her chart?
One element.
You said your water is super low.
You do not know how to flow.
She doesn't flow.
You're super tense.
Yeah, she's tense.
She's not flowing.
Do you agree, gravitate towater signs?
I'm just curious.
Not in your house.
No.
No.
Usually what you lack is whatyou'll start surrounding yourself
(03:33):
with as energies because youdraw from their energy.
I don't know signs well enoughto know.
Okay.
I guess I have to go back toyour office.
Okay.
But the thing we're weakenedin elements is the thing we're personally
working on in this lifetime.
And so I'm in your case.
I laugh because you picked anAries as a husband who's going to
(03:53):
push your buttons.
You see, so.
Because he just does what hedoes and you're like, okay, you'll
hold it.
So you want to hold it, and Idon't want you to.
But if you pick someone that'sgoing to push you, like we were talking
about how competitive.
He's an Aries.
Yes.
How competitive.
She's going to push because Isaid she has to win.
She's a Sagittarian.
(04:13):
And she says, if I know I'mnot going to win, I won't even play.
I just have to win.
And I go, yeah.
So that's where you can reallyget intense with an Aries.
I like two fire signs together.
Watch them on the dance floor.
Hilarious.
Oh, yeah.
No, they're gonna be very good looking.
Hilarious.
You guys are so fun.
So.
But, you know, in her career,she's got Pluto moving into her house
(04:35):
of career.
That's a huge shift in herlife at 36 years old.
It happened starting about ayear, year and a half ago.
So she's going through the bigtransformation of how to reorganize
and how to grow her career.
So giving her that informationand what she's been going through
already and how she is withher husband.
And how they do this togetheras Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers
is sort of like a helpful wayof knowing where you are right now
in your life.
(04:56):
Ren and Stimpy.
You went Ren and Stimpy together.
I like Bren and Sarah and Ginger.
And she's like, I like theprettier depiction.
Thank you very much.
Because you're good looking.
I don't know what your husbandlooks like, but it doesn't matter.
You're good looking.
She looks good looking, too.
Of course.
You didn't actually thinkAshley would settle for less, did
you?
No.
(05:16):
Tauruses are beauty snobs,like Libras and Aries.
So.
Yeah.
So I love that you said thatabout him.
I'll let him know.
Yeah.
Well, Aries and Libra arebeauty Sno.
And Taurus is a beauty snob ina different way.
They're not concerned whatother people think in their beauty.
They just exude earthlyelegance, earthly energy.
And you very fit the profileof a double Taurus, right as I'm
(05:38):
looking at you, because you'resoft, you're curvy, your features
are very beautiful.
Big eyes.
This is very typical of a Taurus.
She's very sag looking, too, though.
She looks like she could havebeen a runner or an athlete.
And that's such a Sagittariustrait with the legs.
Yeah.
Do you have strong legs?
Oh, yeah, I got fixed.
(05:59):
We always say that.
It's like me and my mom.
It's like the flowers trait or whatever.
The apple doesn't fall farfrom the tree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, again, Taurus is a thick energy.
It's a solid energy.
That's why you have, what, 12elements in Earth.
It's most of your energy, soyour body carries that.
And then the Sagittarians areabout hips and ankles.
(06:20):
So that's what you have towatch for, because they are athletes.
And, you know, a lot of tennisplayers, a lot of runners, a lot
of people that are.
They're like.
They're in a lot.
I might laugh, because a lotof girls that have thick thighs are
Sagittarius.
Because it's the.
It's.
It's the horse, it's the manon the horse, it's the centaur.
So that's the horse part ofthe body, which is the lower half.
Yeah.
Isn't it funny how signs haveso wild.
They have physical attributesto them.
(06:42):
I think is so interesting.
So much sense, because.
And I might have told youthis, Allison, I used to, when I
worked at at the hospital outin Arizona.
I worked in orthopedics for a while.
And just from like, being inthere for a couple of years and,
like, I would, like, room thepatients, but, like, I knew what
they were there for.
And I had to look at theirbirthday every single time.
And I would.
(07:03):
I would start clustering thepeople, like, what they were there
for by what month they wereborn in.
And everyone's like, I don'tthink you can.
I don't think that means anything.
And I was like, I don't know, man.
Everyone from October has,like, knee issues or whatever it
was.
So it's like.
It' so wild that that's like,actually came from somewhere and
I wasn't just, like, makingshit up.
No, it's a thing.
It's a thing.
I noticed that too.
(07:23):
With signs.
I know you must as well.
Where you see certain signsexhibit particular characteristics.
And it just is what it is.
I had a guy look at me once.
We were at AZ88 as EvanMartinis, and it was Dish Nation.
He worked for Dish Nation.
And he goes, guess what?
(07:44):
I am like, I feel like doingthat when I'm out having a martini
with my girlfriend, TaraHitchcock, but cool.
So I look at him and I said,you, eyes are close together and
your nose is pointy.
So I guess you're Aries.
And he looked at me and hegoes, oh, my God, I am Aries.
And then I looked at him and Isaid, is that your real nose?
(08:04):
And he was like, you bitch.
And I was like.
Yeah.
Aries is concerned about theirimage anyway.
Their actual.
Especially men and their faceand their, well, hair is Leo.
But nonetheless, they're imageconscious because it is the me, how
I look and how I am in public.
And so I did a reading forquintessential Aries, who just was
(08:29):
every physical part of him.
It was Robert Downey Jr.
And he is everything you justdescribed in his face is little beady
eyes close together, verysharp thing.
He's short, and he's just.
It's like a mosquito on crack.
That man's energy just goesand goes and goes, you know?
So it was like his energy wasso hyped because he was an Aries.
(08:49):
And that's why the only way hecould settle down was to meet a Capricorn.
He asked and he married a Capricorn.
She grounds him.
She grounded him.
He married an Ernestine, whichis why Allison's saying, you need
some water in your life.
You need some water.
I'll send Sophia over.
I have no Earth.
No.
I have no Earth in my chart.
Zero.
And I was adopted to beginwith, so that my bound.
(09:10):
And then I was adopted.
Parents really weren't there.
So he's looking for roots.
Yeah.
In other words.
And I used to move every fouror five years, which is constantly
moving from one thing to another.
So my energy is all fire and air.
So people without earth intheir chart would be looking for
roots.
Like Joe's foundation.
He's looking for roots andfound a moon in Taurus.
(09:31):
Yeah.
So what is your.
What was your takeaway afterthe reading?
What was.
What really stood out for you?
I'm curious.
I mean, I got obviously superlatched onto this motherfucker who
left me penniless.
Good.
It brought it to the surface.
I truly, like.
It sounds bananas.
Or maybe not to you guys, butI was like.
(09:51):
I was.
I, like, just was so mad for,like, three days.
And I felt like.
But I felt like I could put myanger, like, two.
Something.
Are you talking about the guyfrom the past life?
Yeah.
Well, he's dead now, so, like,we're good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have you had girlfriends thathusbands cheated on them and left
them and have any kind ofreaction to it?
No, I haven't yet.
(10:13):
Okay.
She's still young.
Give her time.
Oh, I know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you tell.
We still got time.
Did you.
Did you tell your husband,don't you ever leave me.
I'll kill you.
Yeah, I was like.
I came home and told him, like.
Everything, and it's just like.
Again, it's more of like.
And you said it in the call,like, this isn't anything new, but
it's a lot of, like, validating.
(10:33):
It's validation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I even told my husband.
Right?
Like, you're like, we are in areally good place because we've got,
like, a financial advisoryfirm that, like, helps manage, and
we've all these people, like,watching our money and, like, with
us and multiple checkpointsand whatever.
But even with all of that, Iwould always make this joke that,
like, would get on myhusband's nerves.
Like, anytime he would haveme, like, sign a paper or whatever.
(10:54):
I'm like, you're not tryingto, like, take everything and, like,
leave me and run off?
Yes.
And he's like.
He's like, this joke isn'tfunny after 13.
We've been together 13 years,and I.
And I was like, yeah, whatever.
I don't know.
It's your greatest.
Yeah, it's your greatest.
Trigger was younger.
Like, my mom always thought itwas so Interesting because I would
talk about my future and itwas me and my kids and my career
and like it never occurred tome that there would be a man there.
(11:17):
And she's like, it was just solike abnormal or not what she was
seeing in like my friends oranything, they're all dream about
their weddings and I'm like,well yeah, when I'm a lawyer and
I have my two kids, my momwatches my kids and I'm perfectly
happy.
So it was, it was, it was.
I felt like it just explaineda lot of like the weird quirks I
had or jokes I made for no reason.
It was, it was so fun.
I think it's important toanyone out there that is not sure
(11:41):
why they are the way they are.
Maybe as a little kid evenfelt super misunderstood or born
into the wrong family or likeyou were a grumpy old lady, but you
were five.
But you could see it in thephotographs, but you looked like
you'd been here before.
I highly recommend a readingwith Tom because it really does help
to hear your story.
(12:02):
You mentioned so many thingsin the reading with me and you did
the reading 20 years ago, butyou mentioned so many things that
told me that I was okay, thatI was exactly the energy I was born
to be and the fact that peopledidn't understand it was their problem.
And so hearing the reading andfeeling understood on that soul level
(12:27):
is just so valuable and ithelps you to move forward.
Saying, I'm exactly where I'msupposed to be.
I'm going to keep being me.
I'm not changing for anyone.
It makes you stop questioningthat little voice in your head that
asks, is it me?
Is it me?
Yeah.
And it's like, no.
It's there for a reason andit's to teach you something and you're
supposed to get better andlearn from it.
(12:49):
And I mean Tom said on thecall, he's like, it's like 20 years
of therapy in like an hour.
And that's really like what itfeels like.
That's why I record it.
It's a lot.
No one can take notes.
Yeah.
And I even, I like, I justgoing back to even the second time
listening, I was just like,there was just so much there.
And I will tell you, the moreyou listen, the clearer it gets.
You're like, oh, there it is again.
There it is again.
(13:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
I'm seeing the pattern.
I'm seeing the pattern.
Once you've had your birthchart looked at, do.
Would she get like a follow upreading In a year.
That's a projection of theyear and what to expect in that year.
Because I tell them what she'sgoing on right now with the business
and other things.
And she's working on herindependence right now because Uranus
moved into her first house.
(13:30):
So these are the things she'llbe aware of.
And so after a year, how itapplies, where things are still.
Are still moving and how youcan still move through your life.
It's a life path, so you're not.
This is the basis of the karma itself.
But then where are you in it?
What have you learned from it?
How have you changed based onthat information?
And so, and so people do getback to me sometimes once a year.
(13:53):
Sometimes they're.
They're.
They're in it.
They don't need any more information.
It's like, I got this going now.
I know where.
It's like you said.
It's like I finally figure I'mokay, you know, I was validated and
now I'm just going to be me.
Yeah.
But then they forget it, a lotof them.
And then they go right backinto, you know, doing it again.
And then they'll go, oh, Iread the recording five years later,
and it's like, yeah, I'm stilldoing that.
(14:14):
I'm like, okay, well, that's,you know, you didn't do anything
with it.
It's sort of like you tellingus what our tool chest encapsulates,
like what it holds.
And you have to figure out howto best use those tools that you
were born with to createwhatever vision you have for your
life to manifest that lifewith those tools.
(14:35):
Right.
There's no judgment to any reading.
Because I always say in thebegin, I'm no judge of this character.
You're the judge.
You're the one making thedecisions, going through the story.
And you're writing your book.
Every day, you're changing pages.
You judge Dahmer a little bit.
Well, that was different.
When I'm doing a reading forsomebody, I don't do that.
I'm kidding.
(14:58):
Is there, like, in yourexperience, how many times do people
come back and try and fix.
Is there then your belief.
Is there an ultimate goalwe're trying to get to, or are we
just like, in this endlesscycle, we're just.
Going to keep doing cycles of life?
I think she's.
Yeah.
I mean, the thing is, is thatpeople thinking, we're going to get
this done and be done, we'renever done.
(15:19):
Because nothing ends.
There's no finite in theUniverse, everything's an infinite,
so we're constantly on a journey.
Let me ask you about thatthen, because I thought at 29 degrees,
you get a piece out of the lifetimes.
Because I'm 29 degrees moon in Taurus.
I'm not coming back, remember?
Doesn't mean you're not comingback here, because you may not come
(15:39):
here, but you'll go somewhere else.
Okay, that's the point.
But if I'm at the party upthere, that's cool.
I just don't want to do thisthing again.
Well, then you're not having agood time.
That's a lot.
No, I feel like I've completedeverything that I've ever been here
before.
Well, you became here to be aconduit to the two sides.
(16:00):
So once you do that, you'llwant to.
There'll be something beyondthe other side now.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe I get to become an angel.
Okay, well, you already partof your.
Work here already, so maybe Iget elevated to angel status.
I have no problem coming backbecause I think how we leave is how
we come back.
(16:20):
And I really like who I am andI like what I do in my soul.
The service I've chosen to do,it's a calling more in a career.
And I really enjoy all of it.
And I did graduate from theschool, but I don't care what other
people think.
So I'm in charge of my life.
So if I come back, I just wantto do more of this in whatever form,
format it takes.
(16:40):
Okay?
You see, that's true service.
I just watched a documentaryon children with past lives, and
let me just say this.
I saw a pattern of them comingback to do things that they hadn't
gotten to do in a past life either.
They didn't have therelationship that they truly craved.
(17:01):
They came back to fall inlove, which women always assume it's
their path and it's not allwomen's path.
And I say that to all theyoung women out there.
Some of you are here to findyour career and to hold your power.
That doesn't mean to repel menwith your strength.
There's a balance to be struckhere, and I think women hopefully
(17:25):
are figuring that out now,because a lot of women are coming
back for career stuff, I'venoticed, or to close a loop somehow
of something they didn't getin a past life.
They didn't get to havechildren, or they had a child and
it died.
So they came back in thislifetime and they get to raise their
child until the Natural deathof themselves, the mother.
(17:48):
And that feels bad.
Like, it heals something in them.
So to me, I've seen a patternin we come back until our life is
fulfilled on all levels, inthat we've done everything that our
soul felt it needed to do.
Right.
But see, if we're not livingthrough our soul and we're just living
(18:08):
through our personality, thenthe world runs us.
We don't run it.
Kim Kardashian.
Just kidding.
Yeah.
So when you're doing this,trying to.
Make enemies, I don't care.
I'm not coming back, whatever.
But doing soul work is thepoint of going.
When I say to a woman, what doyou want?
(18:28):
They go, what do you mean,what do I want?
You know, because they're toserve everyone.
Well, you came in to serveothers in, like, the upside down
pyramid, where I'm here toserve everyone over me.
But there is no balance interms of.
Yeah, you get to decide howyou do that on your terms, which
this lifetime you're doing.
You're like, I'm going to dothis, but I'm going to do it this
way.
I'm going to be in this field,and I'm going to use your gifts and
(18:51):
your talents of your personality.
And your nature is not goingto change.
Your nature is going to bewhat it is.
But it's in terms of serviceon your terms, not ours.
The personality is looking foroutside of itself to tell us, what
do you want me to be for you?
And you're like, no, it's myturn to tell you what I'm going to
do for you.
That's the difference.
It's whatever your soul'sjourney is that you're going to do
(19:12):
in this lifetime.
You became a mother.
You married the love of your life.
We have yet to see the rest ofyour life unfold.
But career box.
I think you could check that.
I think you got the adorationof people who you resonate with.
I find that important.
It's confirming in that, youknow, what we're doing matters because
(19:33):
it resonates with other people.
It makes a difference in lives.
I think you might end with avery fulfilling life.
I feel very fulfilled in my life.
I wouldn't want differentchildren or a different husband or
a different career.
And so I'm looking forward tohaunting people and being on the
other side and doing the fun stuff.
(19:54):
Oh, my God.
So can you tell my listenersabout your show?
Because I know a lot of mylisteners are very much into true
crime.
True crime, yes.
Yeah.
So the Company I run is audiocheck.
We've got a network of podcasts.
But the two shows that I hostweekly are Crime Junkie, which I
(20:19):
do with my best friend, who wehave the exact same birthday, just
different times.
Wow.
And her and I host, and wehave a whole team now of reporters.
So we're, like, going out andfinding cases that a lot of people
aren't reporting on, gettingreally deep.
And then I also host a showcalled the Deck, which is based off
(20:39):
of there's.
They would make decks ofplaying cards where every card would
have a different case on itthat's unsolved, and they would pass
them out in prisons trying toget people to talk about them, get
it into the right hands ofsomeone who knows something.
And so every week we cover.
We do original reporting andcover a case on the Deck as well.
So those are the two shows Ihost weekly, but we've got a whole
slate of shows, investigativeshows, weekly shows.
(21:03):
I wrote one book.
I'm writing my second, butthat's just fiction, novel, All Good
People.
Here is my first one.
And then my second one wascalled the Missing Half.
And it's just.
It gets to be all the mysterywith, like, the lowest possible stakes
because it's not real.
And it's very fun.
I'm so glad you're doing that,because that's the creative side
I want you to.
You get the water from.
(21:24):
Because that's where you getthe water from is the creative side
of the story.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That means you can't analyzeit, because I told you this.
I said, when you're doingsomething creative, it comes from
the intuitive.
You feel it and you see it,and that's how you tell a story.
And so for you, it doesn'thave to have an outcome out of analysis
to some end result.
You get to take us on ajourney with you through the character.
(21:47):
Is there a case?
It was interesting when yousaid that because.
Oh, go ahead.
I was going to say, go aheadand answer his question.
Then I'll ask you, because Idon't want to ruin your train of
thought.
Well, no, I was going to saywhen you talk about even writing.
But even in the.
The cases that we do, theepisodes that I write of true crime,
I'm having such a hard timebecause, you know, we're trying to
train up all these.
We've got a whole team ofreporters and writers, and I.
(22:09):
They're trying to get closerand closer to how I write.
And I still.
You told me.
I was like, I'LL edit thingsto death.
I'm still like, edit thescripts to death.
And I'm.
I'm trying to, like, tell, youknow, we want.
They want to do all these workshops.
Like, how do you actually.
Like, how do you write the story?
What's the structure?
How do you decide?
And I'm like, I can't put itto words because truly, once I have
(22:31):
consumed everything andanswered all the questions in my
brain, I just know how it'ssupposed to come out.
And I don't know how toexplain that to anyone.
Intuition is knowing withoutknowing how.
You know, that's the definition.
Yeah.
So I have a couple of justsmall questions.
One, when you look at amurder, do you ever have DNA tests
(22:52):
run on Jane does from thatcounty that they disappeared in over
the years?
Because often they're in adrawer at the coroner's office or,
you know, I want to.
This.
This is like, the frustratingpart is like, so we'll make suggestions
as we, like, work with.
Especially when we have the connection.
We work with law enforcement.
But, like, that's thefrustrating part about being in the
position we're in, is we can.
(23:13):
We can draw a lot of attention.
I've got.
I've got a team that can,like, work on a case for a year,
and it's the only thing thatthey think about, whereas the detective
is working on 20 cases or whatever.
Right.
And so we'll see that.
But we can't actually doanything we like.
We don't have theinvestigative power to make any of
it happen.
So the Jane.
I think.
I think the Jane Doe project.
(23:34):
And you'd have to, you know,check this out.
But I think they do.
People can pay and they will run.
Really.
They'll have the DNA run onthe bones of a particular person
found in a particular week on.
In an area at that time.
So you might reach out to theJane Doe project.
(23:58):
Because I had wanted to workwith them at one point, but they're
afraid of what I do.
So I was like, I'd love tohelp you fundraise for this project,
but I'm a medium, so I havebarriers you don't have, so maybe
that will work for you.
But I just thought that thatmakes a lot of sense.
(24:19):
There's a lot of bones and alot of DNA that was collected on
people who were unidentifiedremains that could break cases that.
That have just been sitting indrawers, cataloged in the police
department or wherever they'reheld for decades.
(24:41):
And.
And we've done.
We've done some Work with theDNA Doe project, who works with law
enforcement.
But you have to get like lawenforcement on board to like submit
it to them.
And usually that's not liketrying to connect it, connect anything.
That's just.
We don't, we don't.
Haven't known who this personis for like 30 years.
But I'll definitely check thisone out.
I think the Jane Doe projectmight be able to help you get through
(25:03):
some of that red tape.
That would be really, really cool.
And last question.
Is there a case that haunts you?
There's so many cases thathaunt me.
I don't everyone asks like ifI have like one and I.
I don't.
Right.
But I also have this like,weird ability to like, I can catalog.
(25:28):
If you talk to me about anycase I've ever covered, I know every
detail.
Like, it's not lost on me.
I know the names, I know the places.
I know like more than anything else.
And so like there.
I don't think there's like onethat looms over me.
I mean, I think I'm in every.
Like, there will be like twoor three cases that throughout the
year I'm like, deepinvestigating, not just doing like
a week episode on.
(25:48):
And so I think those are theones that pop up the most.
But I mean, I'll think aboutan episode out of nowhere that I
did three years ago.
I always had a propensity tosave children.
It was the children's casesthat I was the most drawn to.
I'm so drawn to children'scases and people, like, people don't
want to listen to children's cases.
But I'm like, all the morereason I'm going to make you.
Well, it's weird because it'stoo real for people to listen to
(26:12):
those cases, yet easier for usto be silent and watch them be sacrificed.
I don't understand that, but.
Well, it's like to me, it'slike the stuff that you hear in the
cases.
Like, it's like I alwaysthought, you know, I always thought
they were horrible.
And I get it.
I would people be like, well,once you have kids, it's worse.
And I'm like, it is worse.
It's so much worse because youpicture your kid.
Yeah.
(26:33):
But I'm like, if you don'ttalk about what happened and all
the stuff that led up to itand like, how does anything ever.
Laws change if people don'tget angry and yeah.
Want them the first timethere's an offense, they don't get
out again until it gets tothat point, you're going to keep
getting the repeat offendersout there committing these crimes.
It's really sad.
(26:54):
It's preventable.
But one of the cases that I'm,like, really deep into right now
is actually one of the oneswe'll do, our Mystery Weekend.
I want to have you look atbecause it's in Washington and it's
unsolved.
We've been working on it for awhile, and it's a very, very strange
one.
I don't want to.
Washington's had a lot of killers.
Washington and California have a.
(27:16):
It's their justice system.
They've got a revolving door.
It's a real easy answer.
That's why California, Ibelieve I was.
Blaming the woods and the weather.
Woods and the weather.
The statistic on California,back when I was living there several
years, many years ago,actually, it was, you serve a fifth
(27:37):
of your sentence, and mostcases go cold within 72 hours in
California, so they just getput on shelves.
So California, if you're gonnamurder someone, that's the place
to do it.
They don't have the resourcesfor the cops.
And, you know, killers knowthese things.
This isn't a platform.
Everyone does now.
Tellers, where to go to dotheir job.
(28:00):
They already know.
They know.
Do you know how much jail mailI got when Medium was out?
I mean, a lot.
Oh, yeah, a lot.
It's all stamped from jail.
Jail mail.
She's a tough bride.
I am.
Yeah, I am.
(28:20):
Well, where can people findyour podcast Crime?
Is it Crime Junkie or CrimeJunkie af?
Both.
So Crime Junkie AF is episodesI'll do on Crime Junkie.
So Crime Junkie af, I'llinterview people who have worked
in the space or on a specific project.
Things that I'm just reallyinterested in that, like John Bonet's
dad case.
(28:41):
Like, John.
Oh, not a case like, like.
Well, yeah, but it could berelated or it could be, like, someone
like you who's, like, workedin the system.
And I've interviewed, like,people who've had, like, really cool
jobs.
So Crime Junkie, a app, isreally, like my, like, curiosity
little subset of Crime Junkiewhen it's like, it's not one specific
case we're talking about, butI'm, like, dying to talk about the
(29:02):
information.
Yeah.
That it was just kind of adifferent format.
And then Crime Junkie is whereevery single Monday, we're there
with a new episode, and youcan find it wherever you get your
podcast.
I love that.
And I wanted to thank you forthis water?
Oh, yes.
Did you get this open water?
Because I had it in your greenroom when I was in Indianapolis.
(29:23):
And I was like, that is themost delicious water I've ever had.
I know.
When you text me, I was like,I don't think I've ever asked anyone
for a water brand, but I'm so in.
I'm glad you love it.
You know, I was like,microplastics, blah, blah, all that.
Now I've got aluminum.
I'm like, great, problem solved.
So thank you for that as well.
So open water.
Send Crime Junkie and the Dead Life.
(29:45):
More water, please.
We're thirsty, folks.
So big.
Thank you to Ashley Flowersand astrologer Tom McMullen for joining
me today.
You can also find you onInstagram, Ashley Flowers.
Okay, great.
Nice and easy.
Easy to follow.
Okay.
And tomcmullen.com to bookreadings with Tom.
(30:10):
So thank you, masterastrologer Tom McMullen.
Always, Allison.
And thank you to my listeners.
Tune in next week for a freshepisode of the Dead Life.
I'm Alison Dubois.
This is the Dead Life.
And to all of my believers outthere, don't stop believing.
Join us next week on the Dead Life.
And don't forget to subscribenow to get notified of every new
(30:33):
episode.
Welcome to the Dead Life.
Here's world renowned mediumAlison Dubois.
What do we have going on foryou at the Dead Life today?
Well, we have a very specialguest today.
Some of you might know herfrom the very popular podcast Crime
Junkyaf.
The one and only Ashley Flowers.
Hello.
(00:23):
I also have your favoriteastrologer Tom McMullen here to weigh
in on this episode.
Ashley and I were talkingabout past lives recently and astrological
readings.
She had never had her chart read.
So I introduced Ashley flowersto Tom McMullen to see what Tom would
uncover in a crime junkie'sbirth chart.
(00:44):
So buckle up for what willprove to be an eye opening episode
today.
So stay tuned to put to book areading with me.
Emailus@bookinglisondubois.com if you
have a life reading for me andSophia for my Love Me Love Me not
segment.
Leave your questions at 802-332-3811.
(01:04):
If you want to watch past andpresent episodes of the Dead Life
you can follow me on YouTube.
Please like and subscribe.
Go to Allison Dubois.com formore information about what I'm up
to.
Tom gets so upset with me, somad at me when I ask him to do that.
But I think it's interestingto be able to take a chart and see
(01:26):
if you can recognize deviancein a chart and how much of it is
will, will, free will andlearned and how much of it is preconditioned
energy that we came in with.
So that's why I had him runthe charts.
I wanted to know what wouldthey have looked like had they done
(01:48):
something like ignoring theirinstinct to hunt.
What would their life hadlooked like then?
Have you ever done a reallyinteresting one that you were like,
oh, it would have been so different.
Well, I would say Ted Bundy.
Ted Bundy, Yeah, Ted Bundy was.
I get the sense that whensomeone comes in with really they
(02:08):
come in a victim of veryhorrible things in their past, there's
two choices.
One that can overcome them andbecome a, you know, a proponent for
others who have gone throughthat or they stay the victim and
they want to, you know, getthe, get somebody back for it.
You know, that's likeingrained in them to repeat it.
So most of them have mommyissues, like severe.
(02:30):
That's why I don't like doingthis, Ashley, because I go into their
energy and I don't like goinginto that.
Space and absent fathers.
See, I can't stay objective inmy readings.
I completely become in thatperson's energy.
Me too.
So Well, I know.
I mean, that's what we do.
That's what we do, so.
Because people go, well, howdo you do that?
(02:51):
I go, I just do.
That's what I do.
I'm not a typical astrologerthat's trying to analyze your chart,
predict your future, even withthe things going on right now, the
changes that are going on.
I gave you the concept ofwhat's going on and where it is in
your career, and now youdecide you're in charge of your destiny.
But what you know now aboutyour past helps you make these decisions
(03:11):
going forward.
Right.
Does she not have water in her chart?
One element.
You said your water is super low.
You do not know how to flow.
She doesn't flow.
You're super tense.
Yeah, she's tense.
She's not flowing.
Do you agree, gravitate towater signs?
I'm just curious.
Not in your house.
No.
No.
Usually what you lack is whatyou'll start surrounding yourself
(03:33):
with as energies because youdraw from their energy.
I don't know signs well enoughto know.
Okay.
I guess I have to go back toyour office.
Okay.
But the thing we're weakenedin elements is the thing we're personally
working on in this lifetime.
And so I'm in your case.
I laugh because you picked anAries as a husband who's going to
(03:53):
push your buttons.
You see, so.
Because he just does what hedoes and you're like, okay, you'll
hold it.
So you want to hold it, and Idon't want you to.
But if you pick someone that'sgoing to push you, like we were talking
about how competitive.
He's an Aries.
Yes.
How competitive.
She's going to push because Isaid she has to win.
She's a Sagittarian.
(04:13):
And she says, if I know I'mnot going to win, I won't even play.
I just have to win.
And I go, yeah.
So that's where you can reallyget intense with an Aries.
I like two fire signs together.
Watch them on the dance floor.
Hilarious.
Oh, yeah.
No, they're gonna be very good looking.
Hilarious.
You guys are so fun.
So.
But, you know, in her career,she's got Pluto moving into her house
(04:35):
of career.
That's a huge shift in herlife at 36 years old.
It happened starting about ayear, year and a half ago.
So she's going through the bigtransformation of how to reorganize
and how to grow her career.
So giving her that informationand what she's been going through
already and how she is withher husband.
And how they do this togetheras Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers
is sort of like a helpful wayof knowing where you are right now
in your life.
(04:56):
Ren and Stimpy.
You went Ren and Stimpy together.
I like Bren and Sarah and Ginger.
And she's like, I like theprettier depiction.
Thank you very much.
Because you're good looking.
I don't know what your husbandlooks like, but it doesn't matter.
You're good looking.
She looks good looking, too.
Of course.
You didn't actually thinkAshley would settle for less, did
you?
No.
(05:16):
Tauruses are beauty snobs,like Libras and Aries.
So.
Yeah.
So I love that you said thatabout him.
I'll let him know.
Yeah.
Well, Aries and Libra arebeauty Sno.
And Taurus is a beauty snob ina different way.
They're not concerned whatother people think in their beauty.
They just exude earthlyelegance, earthly energy.
And you very fit the profileof a double Taurus, right as I'm
(05:38):
looking at you, because you'resoft, you're curvy, your features
are very beautiful.
Big eyes.
This is very typical of a Taurus.
She's very sag looking, too, though.
She looks like she could havebeen a runner or an athlete.
And that's such a Sagittariustrait with the legs.
Yeah.
Do you have strong legs?
Oh, yeah, I got fixed.
(05:59):
We always say that.
It's like me and my mom.
It's like the flowers trait or whatever.
The apple doesn't fall farfrom the tree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, again, Taurus is a thick energy.
It's a solid energy.
That's why you have, what, 12elements in Earth.
It's most of your energy, soyour body carries that.
And then the Sagittarians areabout hips and ankles.
(06:20):
So that's what you have towatch for, because they are athletes.
And, you know, a lot of tennisplayers, a lot of runners, a lot
of people that are.
They're like.
They're in a lot.
I might laugh, because a lotof girls that have thick thighs are
Sagittarius.
Because it's the.
It's.
It's the horse, it's the manon the horse, it's the centaur.
So that's the horse part ofthe body, which is the lower half.
Yeah.
Isn't it funny how signs haveso wild.
They have physical attributesto them.
(06:42):
I think is so interesting.
So much sense, because.
And I might have told youthis, Allison, I used to, when I
worked at at the hospital outin Arizona.
I worked in orthopedics for a while.
And just from like, being inthere for a couple of years and,
like, I would, like, room thepatients, but, like, I knew what
they were there for.
And I had to look at theirbirthday every single time.
And I would.
(07:03):
I would start clustering thepeople, like, what they were there
for by what month they wereborn in.
And everyone's like, I don'tthink you can.
I don't think that means anything.
And I was like, I don't know, man.
Everyone from October has,like, knee issues or whatever it
was.
So it's like.
It' so wild that that's like,actually came from somewhere and
I wasn't just, like, makingshit up.
No, it's a thing.
It's a thing.
I noticed that too.
(07:23):
With signs.
I know you must as well.
Where you see certain signsexhibit particular characteristics.
And it just is what it is.
I had a guy look at me once.
We were at AZ88 as EvanMartinis, and it was Dish Nation.
He worked for Dish Nation.
And he goes, guess what?
(07:44):
I am like, I feel like doingthat when I'm out having a martini
with my girlfriend, TaraHitchcock, but cool.
So I look at him and I said,you, eyes are close together and
your nose is pointy.
So I guess you're Aries.
And he looked at me and hegoes, oh, my God, I am Aries.
And then I looked at him and Isaid, is that your real nose?
(08:04):
And he was like, you bitch.
And I was like.
Yeah.
Aries is concerned about theirimage anyway.
Their actual.
Especially men and their faceand their, well, hair is Leo.
But nonetheless, they're imageconscious because it is the me, how
I look and how I am in public.
And so I did a reading forquintessential Aries, who just was
(08:29):
every physical part of him.
It was Robert Downey Jr.
And he is everything you justdescribed in his face is little beady
eyes close together, verysharp thing.
He's short, and he's just.
It's like a mosquito on crack.
That man's energy just goesand goes and goes, you know?
So it was like his energy wasso hyped because he was an Aries.
(08:49):
And that's why the only way hecould settle down was to meet a Capricorn.
He asked and he married a Capricorn.
She grounds him.
She grounded him.
He married an Ernestine, whichis why Allison's saying, you need
some water in your life.
You need some water.
I'll send Sophia over.
I have no Earth.
No.
I have no Earth in my chart.
Zero.
And I was adopted to beginwith, so that my bound.
(09:10):
And then I was adopted.
Parents really weren't there.
So he's looking for roots.
Yeah.
In other words.
And I used to move every fouror five years, which is constantly
moving from one thing to another.
So my energy is all fire and air.
So people without earth intheir chart would be looking for
roots.
Like Joe's foundation.
He's looking for roots andfound a moon in Taurus.
(09:31):
Yeah.
So what is your.
What was your takeaway afterthe reading?
What was.
What really stood out for you?
I'm curious.
I mean, I got obviously superlatched onto this motherfucker who
left me penniless.
Good.
It brought it to the surface.
I truly, like.
It sounds bananas.
Or maybe not to you guys, butI was like.
(09:51):
I was.
I, like, just was so mad for,like, three days.
And I felt like.
But I felt like I could put myanger, like, two.
Something.
Are you talking about the guyfrom the past life?
Yeah.
Well, he's dead now, so, like,we're good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have you had girlfriends thathusbands cheated on them and left
them and have any kind ofreaction to it?
No, I haven't yet.
(10:13):
Okay.
She's still young.
Give her time.
Oh, I know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you tell.
We still got time.
Did you.
Did you tell your husband,don't you ever leave me.
I'll kill you.
Yeah, I was like.
I came home and told him, like.
Everything, and it's just like.
Again, it's more of like.
And you said it in the call,like, this isn't anything new, but
it's a lot of, like, validating.
(10:33):
It's validation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I even told my husband.
Right?
Like, you're like, we are in areally good place because we've got,
like, a financial advisoryfirm that, like, helps manage, and
we've all these people, like,watching our money and, like, with
us and multiple checkpointsand whatever.
But even with all of that, Iwould always make this joke that,
like, would get on myhusband's nerves.
Like, anytime he would haveme, like, sign a paper or whatever.
(10:54):
I'm like, you're not tryingto, like, take everything and, like,
leave me and run off?
Yes.
And he's like.
He's like, this joke isn'tfunny after 13.
We've been together 13 years,and I.
And I was like, yeah, whatever.
I don't know.
It's your greatest.
Yeah, it's your greatest.
Trigger was younger.
Like, my mom always thought itwas so Interesting because I would
talk about my future and itwas me and my kids and my career
and like it never occurred tome that there would be a man there.
(11:17):
And she's like, it was just solike abnormal or not what she was
seeing in like my friends oranything, they're all dream about
their weddings and I'm like,well yeah, when I'm a lawyer and
I have my two kids, my momwatches my kids and I'm perfectly
happy.
So it was, it was, it was.
I felt like it just explaineda lot of like the weird quirks I
had or jokes I made for no reason.
It was, it was so fun.
I think it's important toanyone out there that is not sure
(11:41):
why they are the way they are.
Maybe as a little kid evenfelt super misunderstood or born
into the wrong family or likeyou were a grumpy old lady, but you
were five.
But you could see it in thephotographs, but you looked like
you'd been here before.
I highly recommend a readingwith Tom because it really does help
to hear your story.
(12:02):
You mentioned so many thingsin the reading with me and you did
the reading 20 years ago, butyou mentioned so many things that
told me that I was okay, thatI was exactly the energy I was born
to be and the fact that peopledidn't understand it was their problem.
And so hearing the reading andfeeling understood on that soul level
(12:27):
is just so valuable and ithelps you to move forward.
Saying, I'm exactly where I'msupposed to be.
I'm going to keep being me.
I'm not changing for anyone.
It makes you stop questioningthat little voice in your head that
asks, is it me?
Is it me?
Yeah.
And it's like, no.
It's there for a reason andit's to teach you something and you're
supposed to get better andlearn from it.
(12:49):
And I mean Tom said on thecall, he's like, it's like 20 years
of therapy in like an hour.
And that's really like what itfeels like.
That's why I record it.
It's a lot.
No one can take notes.
Yeah.
And I even, I like, I justgoing back to even the second time
listening, I was just like,there was just so much there.
And I will tell you, the moreyou listen, the clearer it gets.
You're like, oh, there it is again.
There it is again.
(13:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
I'm seeing the pattern.
I'm seeing the pattern.
Once you've had your birthchart looked at, do.
Would she get like a follow upreading In a year.
That's a projection of theyear and what to expect in that year.
Because I tell them what she'sgoing on right now with the business
and other things.
And she's working on herindependence right now because Uranus
moved into her first house.
(13:30):
So these are the things she'llbe aware of.
And so after a year, how itapplies, where things are still.
Are still moving and how youcan still move through your life.
It's a life path, so you're not.
This is the basis of the karma itself.
But then where are you in it?
What have you learned from it?
How have you changed based onthat information?
And so, and so people do getback to me sometimes once a year.
(13:53):
Sometimes they're.
They're.
They're in it.
They don't need any more information.
It's like, I got this going now.
I know where.
It's like you said.
It's like I finally figure I'mokay, you know, I was validated and
now I'm just going to be me.
Yeah.
But then they forget it, a lotof them.
And then they go right backinto, you know, doing it again.
And then they'll go, oh, Iread the recording five years later,
and it's like, yeah, I'm stilldoing that.
(14:14):
I'm like, okay, well, that's,you know, you didn't do anything
with it.
It's sort of like you tellingus what our tool chest encapsulates,
like what it holds.
And you have to figure out howto best use those tools that you
were born with to createwhatever vision you have for your
life to manifest that lifewith those tools.
(14:35):
Right.
There's no judgment to any reading.
Because I always say in thebegin, I'm no judge of this character.
You're the judge.
You're the one making thedecisions, going through the story.
And you're writing your book.
Every day, you're changing pages.
You judge Dahmer a little bit.
Well, that was different.
When I'm doing a reading forsomebody, I don't do that.
I'm kidding.
(14:58):
Is there, like, in yourexperience, how many times do people
come back and try and fix.
Is there then your belief.
Is there an ultimate goalwe're trying to get to, or are we
just like, in this endlesscycle, we're just.
Going to keep doing cycles of life?
I think she's.
Yeah.
I mean, the thing is, is thatpeople thinking, we're going to get
this done and be done, we'renever done.
(15:19):
Because nothing ends.
There's no finite in theUniverse, everything's an infinite,
so we're constantly on a journey.
Let me ask you about thatthen, because I thought at 29 degrees,
you get a piece out of the lifetimes.
Because I'm 29 degrees moon in Taurus.
I'm not coming back, remember?
Doesn't mean you're not comingback here, because you may not come
(15:39):
here, but you'll go somewhere else.
Okay, that's the point.
But if I'm at the party upthere, that's cool.
I just don't want to do thisthing again.
Well, then you're not having agood time.
That's a lot.
No, I feel like I've completedeverything that I've ever been here
before.
Well, you became here to be aconduit to the two sides.
(16:00):
So once you do that, you'llwant to.
There'll be something beyondthe other side now.
Yeah.
Okay.
Maybe I get to become an angel.
Okay, well, you already partof your.
Work here already, so maybe Iget elevated to angel status.
I have no problem coming backbecause I think how we leave is how
we come back.
(16:20):
And I really like who I am andI like what I do in my soul.
The service I've chosen to do,it's a calling more in a career.
And I really enjoy all of it.
And I did graduate from theschool, but I don't care what other
people think.
So I'm in charge of my life.
So if I come back, I just wantto do more of this in whatever form,
format it takes.
(16:40):
Okay?
You see, that's true service.
I just watched a documentaryon children with past lives, and
let me just say this.
I saw a pattern of them comingback to do things that they hadn't
gotten to do in a past life either.
They didn't have therelationship that they truly craved.
(17:01):
They came back to fall inlove, which women always assume it's
their path and it's not allwomen's path.
And I say that to all theyoung women out there.
Some of you are here to findyour career and to hold your power.
That doesn't mean to repel menwith your strength.
There's a balance to be struckhere, and I think women hopefully
(17:25):
are figuring that out now,because a lot of women are coming
back for career stuff, I'venoticed, or to close a loop somehow
of something they didn't getin a past life.
They didn't get to havechildren, or they had a child and
it died.
So they came back in thislifetime and they get to raise their
child until the Natural deathof themselves, the mother.
(17:48):
And that feels bad.
Like, it heals something in them.
So to me, I've seen a patternin we come back until our life is
fulfilled on all levels, inthat we've done everything that our
soul felt it needed to do.
Right.
But see, if we're not livingthrough our soul and we're just living
(18:08):
through our personality, thenthe world runs us.
We don't run it.
Kim Kardashian.
Just kidding.
Yeah.
So when you're doing this,trying to.
Make enemies, I don't care.
I'm not coming back, whatever.
But doing soul work is thepoint of going.
When I say to a woman, what doyou want?
(18:28):
They go, what do you mean,what do I want?
You know, because they're toserve everyone.
Well, you came in to serveothers in, like, the upside down
pyramid, where I'm here toserve everyone over me.
But there is no balance interms of.
Yeah, you get to decide howyou do that on your terms, which
this lifetime you're doing.
You're like, I'm going to dothis, but I'm going to do it this
way.
I'm going to be in this field,and I'm going to use your gifts and
(18:51):
your talents of your personality.
And your nature is not goingto change.
Your nature is going to bewhat it is.
But it's in terms of serviceon your terms, not ours.
The personality is looking foroutside of itself to tell us, what
do you want me to be for you?
And you're like, no, it's myturn to tell you what I'm going to
do for you.
That's the difference.
It's whatever your soul'sjourney is that you're going to do
(19:12):
in this lifetime.
You became a mother.
You married the love of your life.
We have yet to see the rest ofyour life unfold.
But career box.
I think you could check that.
I think you got the adorationof people who you resonate with.
I find that important.
It's confirming in that, youknow, what we're doing matters because
(19:33):
it resonates with other people.
It makes a difference in lives.
I think you might end with avery fulfilling life.
I feel very fulfilled in my life.
I wouldn't want differentchildren or a different husband or
a different career.
And so I'm looking forward tohaunting people and being on the
other side and doing the fun stuff.
(19:54):
Oh, my God.
So can you tell my listenersabout your show?
Because I know a lot of mylisteners are very much into true
crime.
True crime, yes.
Yeah.
So the Company I run is audiocheck.
We've got a network of podcasts.
But the two shows that I hostweekly are Crime Junkie, which I
(20:19):
do with my best friend, who wehave the exact same birthday, just
different times.
Wow.
And her and I host, and wehave a whole team now of reporters.
So we're, like, going out andfinding cases that a lot of people
aren't reporting on, gettingreally deep.
And then I also host a showcalled the Deck, which is based off
(20:39):
of there's.
They would make decks ofplaying cards where every card would
have a different case on itthat's unsolved, and they would pass
them out in prisons trying toget people to talk about them, get
it into the right hands ofsomeone who knows something.
And so every week we cover.
We do original reporting andcover a case on the Deck as well.
So those are the two shows Ihost weekly, but we've got a whole
slate of shows, investigativeshows, weekly shows.
(21:03):
I wrote one book.
I'm writing my second, butthat's just fiction, novel, All Good
People.
Here is my first one.
And then my second one wascalled the Missing Half.
And it's just.
It gets to be all the mysterywith, like, the lowest possible stakes
because it's not real.
And it's very fun.
I'm so glad you're doing that,because that's the creative side
I want you to.
You get the water from.
(21:24):
Because that's where you getthe water from is the creative side
of the story.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
That means you can't analyzeit, because I told you this.
I said, when you're doingsomething creative, it comes from
the intuitive.
You feel it and you see it,and that's how you tell a story.
And so for you, it doesn'thave to have an outcome out of analysis
to some end result.
You get to take us on ajourney with you through the character.
(21:47):
Is there a case?
It was interesting when yousaid that because.
Oh, go ahead.
I was going to say, go aheadand answer his question.
Then I'll ask you, because Idon't want to ruin your train of
thought.
Well, no, I was going to saywhen you talk about even writing.
But even in the.
The cases that we do, theepisodes that I write of true crime,
I'm having such a hard timebecause, you know, we're trying to
train up all these.
We've got a whole team ofreporters and writers, and I.
(22:09):
They're trying to get closerand closer to how I write.
And I still.
You told me.
I was like, I'LL edit thingsto death.
I'm still like, edit thescripts to death.
And I'm.
I'm trying to, like, tell, youknow, we want.
They want to do all these workshops.
Like, how do you actually.
Like, how do you write the story?
What's the structure?
How do you decide?
And I'm like, I can't put itto words because truly, once I have
(22:31):
consumed everything andanswered all the questions in my
brain, I just know how it'ssupposed to come out.
And I don't know how toexplain that to anyone.
Intuition is knowing withoutknowing how.
You know, that's the definition.
Yeah.
So I have a couple of justsmall questions.
One, when you look at amurder, do you ever have DNA tests
(22:52):
run on Jane does from thatcounty that they disappeared in over
the years?
Because often they're in adrawer at the coroner's office or,
you know, I want to.
This.
This is like, the frustratingpart is like, so we'll make suggestions
as we, like, work with.
Especially when we have the connection.
We work with law enforcement.
But, like, that's thefrustrating part about being in the
position we're in, is we can.
(23:13):
We can draw a lot of attention.
I've got.
I've got a team that can,like, work on a case for a year,
and it's the only thing thatthey think about, whereas the detective
is working on 20 cases or whatever.
Right.
And so we'll see that.
But we can't actually doanything we like.
We don't have theinvestigative power to make any of
it happen.
So the Jane.
I think.
I think the Jane Doe project.
(23:34):
And you'd have to, you know,check this out.
But I think they do.
People can pay and they will run.
Really.
They'll have the DNA run onthe bones of a particular person
found in a particular week on.
In an area at that time.
So you might reach out to theJane Doe project.
(23:58):
Because I had wanted to workwith them at one point, but they're
afraid of what I do.
So I was like, I'd love tohelp you fundraise for this project,
but I'm a medium, so I havebarriers you don't have, so maybe
that will work for you.
But I just thought that thatmakes a lot of sense.
(24:19):
There's a lot of bones and alot of DNA that was collected on
people who were unidentifiedremains that could break cases that.
That have just been sitting indrawers, cataloged in the police
department or wherever they'reheld for decades.
(24:41):
And.
And we've done.
We've done some Work with theDNA Doe project, who works with law
enforcement.
But you have to get like lawenforcement on board to like submit
it to them.
And usually that's not liketrying to connect it, connect anything.
That's just.
We don't, we don't.
Haven't known who this personis for like 30 years.
But I'll definitely check thisone out.
I think the Jane Doe projectmight be able to help you get through
(25:03):
some of that red tape.
That would be really, really cool.
And last question.
Is there a case that haunts you?
There's so many cases thathaunt me.
I don't everyone asks like ifI have like one and I.
I don't.
Right.
But I also have this like,weird ability to like, I can catalog.
(25:28):
If you talk to me about anycase I've ever covered, I know every
detail.
Like, it's not lost on me.
I know the names, I know the places.
I know like more than anything else.
And so like there.
I don't think there's like onethat looms over me.
I mean, I think I'm in every.
Like, there will be like twoor three cases that throughout the
year I'm like, deepinvestigating, not just doing like
a week episode on.
(25:48):
And so I think those are theones that pop up the most.
But I mean, I'll think aboutan episode out of nowhere that I
did three years ago.
I always had a propensity tosave children.
It was the children's casesthat I was the most drawn to.
I'm so drawn to children'scases and people, like, people don't
want to listen to children's cases.
But I'm like, all the morereason I'm going to make you.
Well, it's weird because it'stoo real for people to listen to
(26:12):
those cases, yet easier for usto be silent and watch them be sacrificed.
I don't understand that, but.
Well, it's like to me, it'slike the stuff that you hear in the
cases.
Like, it's like I alwaysthought, you know, I always thought
they were horrible.
And I get it.
I would people be like, well,once you have kids, it's worse.
And I'm like, it is worse.
It's so much worse because youpicture your kid.
Yeah.
(26:33):
But I'm like, if you don'ttalk about what happened and all
the stuff that led up to itand like, how does anything ever.
Laws change if people don'tget angry and yeah.
Want them the first timethere's an offense, they don't get
out again until it gets tothat point, you're going to keep
getting the repeat offendersout there committing these crimes.
It's really sad.
(26:54):
It's preventable.
But one of the cases that I'm,like, really deep into right now
is actually one of the oneswe'll do, our Mystery Weekend.
I want to have you look atbecause it's in Washington and it's
unsolved.
We've been working on it for awhile, and it's a very, very strange
one.
I don't want to.
Washington's had a lot of killers.
Washington and California have a.
(27:16):
It's their justice system.
They've got a revolving door.
It's a real easy answer.
That's why California, Ibelieve I was.
Blaming the woods and the weather.
Woods and the weather.
The statistic on California,back when I was living there several
years, many years ago,actually, it was, you serve a fifth
(27:37):
of your sentence, and mostcases go cold within 72 hours in
California, so they just getput on shelves.
So California, if you're gonnamurder someone, that's the place
to do it.
They don't have the resourcesfor the cops.
And, you know, killers knowthese things.
This isn't a platform.
Everyone does now.
Tellers, where to go to dotheir job.
(28:00):
They already know.
They know.
Do you know how much jail mailI got when Medium was out?
I mean, a lot.
Oh, yeah, a lot.
It's all stamped from jail.
Jail mail.
She's a tough bride.
I am.
Yeah, I am.
(28:20):
Well, where can people findyour podcast Crime?
Is it Crime Junkie or CrimeJunkie af?
Both.
So Crime Junkie AF is episodesI'll do on Crime Junkie.
So Crime Junkie af, I'llinterview people who have worked
in the space or on a specific project.
Things that I'm just reallyinterested in that, like John Bonet's
dad case.
(28:41):
Like, John.
Oh, not a case like, like.
Well, yeah, but it could berelated or it could be, like, someone
like you who's, like, workedin the system.
And I've interviewed, like,people who've had, like, really cool
jobs.
So Crime Junkie, a app, isreally, like my, like, curiosity
little subset of Crime Junkiewhen it's like, it's not one specific
case we're talking about, butI'm, like, dying to talk about the
(29:02):
information.
Yeah.
That it was just kind of adifferent format.
And then Crime Junkie is whereevery single Monday, we're there
with a new episode, and youcan find it wherever you get your
podcast.
I love that.
And I wanted to thank you forthis water?
Oh, yes.
Did you get this open water?
Because I had it in your greenroom when I was in Indianapolis.
(29:23):
And I was like, that is themost delicious water I've ever had.
I know.
When you text me, I was like,I don't think I've ever asked anyone
for a water brand, but I'm so in.
I'm glad you love it.
You know, I was like,microplastics, blah, blah, all that.
Now I've got aluminum.
I'm like, great, problem solved.
So thank you for that as well.
So open water.
Send Crime Junkie and the Dead Life.
(29:45):
More water, please.
We're thirsty, folks.
So big.
Thank you to Ashley Flowersand astrologer Tom McMullen for joining
me today.
You can also find you onInstagram, Ashley Flowers.
Okay, great.
Nice and easy.
Easy to follow.
Okay.
And tomcmullen.com to bookreadings with Tom.
(30:10):
So thank you, masterastrologer Tom McMullen.
Always, Allison.
And thank you to my listeners.
Tune in next week for a freshepisode of the Dead Life.
I'm Alison Dubois.
This is the Dead Life.
And to all of my believers outthere, don't stop believing.
Join us next week on the Dead Life.
And don't forget to subscribenow to get notified of every new
(30:33):
episode.
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com