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Jon Francois and Ajay Vandertunt invite special guest Massiel Hernandez to discuss what happened in Utah last week and recommend pop culture "samplers". Let's grab a plate and taste that Delicious Culture!

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Delicious. Hey, what's up?
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Grab a plate. It's the delicious culture.
I'm Jean Francois. And today I am AJ Vanderchat.
I was going to say something really inappropriate.
That's what I had to think aboutit.
Well now I want to know what thehell did like.
Like, too inappropriate for the podcast that's of reach.
Yeah, I was going to say I was one of the casings the.

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Oh, oh, yeah. OK.
And we'll we'll we'll leave it at that.
We'll just say sausage casing. We'll say sausage casing.
How about that anyway? All right, so here's what we're
doing. We are going to talk about
something that not only has permeated the political culture,

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but I would say pop culture in general.
It's a story that just won't go away.
We got to talk about Charlie Kirk.
And on a lighter note, we will get into pop culture samplers
that we think you should try from each of the three of us.
I would love to welcome a special guest on our podcast
this week, Maciel Hernandez. She is an actress, entrepreneur,

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the host of the Black Hole Sun podcast.
She is the creator of the blog My Epic Life.
Listeners of this podcast feed for the past five years, if you
remember way back to when this podcast used to be called the
Anything Show, Masiel was a Co host.
She's a very dear friend of minefrom New York.
And yeah, Masya, I was literallythinking about like highlights

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of the episodes that we did together.
And unfortunately the only one Ican think of is a very TMI
episode where my wife Tony guested with us.
She was my girlfriend at the time.
And somehow we got and somehow we got into a conversation about
my Constipation issues. So I don't know why we were
doing that, but that's what cameto mind.
Wow. OK, Well, I remember because you

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were asking me if I sat on the toilet and checked my phone
because we were talking about how people were on the toilet
checking their phone. And I was like, and then you
started talking about your bowels and then you started
talking about and I was like, this is getting out of hand
like. Yes.
So Mosciel had to take a four year break and then she's come
back and now the conversation has come, the conversation has

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become a lot classier. So yes, yes.
But yeah. Well, first of all, how are you
doing, Mossiel? I'm surviving like everybody
else in America, you know, different locations, trying to
keep up with my art, trying to like, not completely like get
consumed by social media and everything and trying to be

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genuine and authentic and I don't know, just living my life.
It's hard out there, guys. It's hard out there.
Oh, yeah. It's hard out there.
It's hard out there. I mean, if you especially if
you've been watching the coverage of all this Charlie
Kirk stuff, it's, it's it's not easy.

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So yeah, let's let's just kind of, you know, quickly go through
some basic facts and and then we'll all get our takes on all
this. So, yeah, Charlie Kirk, the well
known conservative activists, top podcaster as well.
He was an ally of President Trump.
He was killed last Wednesday. Aji think you said while we were
recording, this was a developingstory.

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Yeah, while we were recording hewas shot and then the death
wasn't confirmed until chunky milk.
The president said it. I, I used to saying that on
TikTok. I'm sorry, the president is the
one who confirmed that he died. Wait, wait, did you call?
What did you call him? Chunky MO?
I call him chunky milk because you can't say his name on TikTok

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without it messing up your algorithm.
So I use disguise words for him.Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I look at him and I think that's
milk that's been out for a few days, yeah.
But your face is the perfect face when you hear a check
e-mail because it sounds disgusting.
So it's the perfect thing for him, absolutely.
Absolutely. I have for him.
I'm like. So anyway, yeah, Charlie.

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Orange, by the way. Wait, what was that?
I called Trump Agent Orange. Agent that works perfectly.
Yeah, Agent Orange, Cheeto Jesus.
I mean, the nicknames I've heardfor this guy are are endless.
So. Yeah.
But anyway, his, I don't know what you call Charlie Kirk, his
young protege, his young disciple.
I have no idea. But either way, he was.

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No. Yeah, I know, I know.
Yeah. Shaking your head.
That's that's definitely the right reaction.
But I do know that he was known for starting up that turning
point. USA organization way back in
2012. Its main goal seemed to be to go
to what people would call liberal leaning college
campuses. Here's this lone conservative
voice trying to essentially convert them.

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OP activists, endless amounts ofthem.
They don't want to go to these kind of places.
And Charlie Kirk was that guy. That's like, no, I'm I'm going
to debate people who don't thinkthe way I do and try to get more
followers that way. I guess that's what what his
logic was. He debated children.
He debated children because children go to college.
That's what he was doing. He would, and I don't even call

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it debating because that's not adebate.
He would literally just argue people down and then say, oh, I
have the right point. And then anybody who actually
challenged him and actually madehim stumble, they would just cut
the footage and remove it from his little podcast, Spears.
Yes, I mean, it's, it's really crazy to me like how people were
like it's free speech, but I mean I could go to a college

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campus as a 40 something year old and debate a 19 year old
about life and who's going to stop me like that's.
It's odd, yeah, the power dynamic.
Is. The power dynamic is pretty
clear there. You know, you're the speaker,
you're the host of the event. You can clearly cut someone's
feet off or tell someone to leave through security.
So yeah, the power imbalance is totally there.

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Charlie was very much credited for bringing young people to
vote for Trump back in 2024. And to just give you an idea of
the response to his death, at least for those who supported
him, maybe those who are not as well informed and just see like,

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oh, he was a husband. He was a father who died.
And there was. So was Hitler and Mussolini, and
so is a lot of a lot of people who are terrorists.
Sorry, Saddam was saying no, no,no.
You're good. You're good.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go going back to your point, I
mean, there, there are there arepeople that will will believe
what Charlie Kirk believed or people that did not really know

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the full story of him. And they just think that media
coverage of the candlelight vigil flags flying at half staff
for him are totally legitimate. But we'll get into why we think
otherwise. Trump gave him.
Yeah. Trump gave him the Medal of
Freedom and I, I know there's a memorial service coming up at

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State Farm Stadium in like, I think Glendale, CA coming up on
the 21st. So, yeah, he's given the total
martyr treatment. And, you know, for the three of
us who don't think he deserves that, I, I would imagine that
it, it would, that, that would be very hard to see.
So a little bit of background for the person who killed him.

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Tyler Robinson, 22 year old fromUtah.
He was just charged. With allegedly, allegedly,
allegedly. Okay, so yeah, not proven under
the court of law yet. All right, so allegedly the
suspect, Tyler Robinson charged with murder on Tuesday.
And you know, we've all seen thenews coverage about the text
confession that he gave to his partner and I, and I think we're

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still figuring out, we're still trying to confirm if the partner
was transgender. Like it has that been confirmed
since? Do do we know?
No. And also those text messages,
I'm sorry, did they sound like Shakespeare?
Soletically they were very like,I just like who wrote this?
This sounds like an old person wrote this and the whole like
pushing towards like it his roommate or his lover or

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whatever allegedly being transgender is just like is odd
to me. Like I don't know, I just I I
think the whole situation like I've never been a conspiracy
theories conspiracy theorist that hard.
I mean, I do believe we have aliens out there, but I've never
thought as the government to have so many loopholes were
there to talking to us that I'vejust been like, I'm leaning hard

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on what's going on because this government is unfounded.
Like I've never never seen it like this.
It's just it's odd. It's like anything that comes up
and it's like, hey, question this and question that.
I mean, we should always question things, but it's been
like I'm hardcore questioning everything I see now coming out
of the media, which is, I don't know if it's good or bad.
It's terrible. So allegedly, his lover is

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somebody who is trans. But this fits way too
conveniently in the narrative because first they were blaming
it on people on the left, and then we find out that his
family's super conservative Trumpers, and all of a sudden
they're like, well, we have to make a reason for him to be
evil. So he got radicalized
conveniently by somebody who's trans, who lives with them, who

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is now his partner. Like this is just too much of A
conspiracy for me. Even taken it like it doesn't
make sense. None of it makes sense.
And even Trump said it himself. Why you only talk about trans
people in the trans monster during an election cycle or when
you need to convince people of things.
And that's exactly what's happening now.
His grandmother came out and it was very like everybody was

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like, he's a liberal. His grandmother was like, no
way. We are MAGA.
We are, we are not that. Please stop saying he was a
liberal. His grandmother came out and
said it. So it's like what what I mean,
call it what it is. It's a white on white crime,
very conservative. You know, instead of like
implicating a lot of us into that, like it's wild.
It's really wild. Right, right.

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Well, you had mentioned the textmessages sounding like
Shakespeare soliloquies, and I definitely want to get more of
your thoughts on that because like these text messages,
they're saying just simply things like, all right, I have
the opportunity to kill one of the nation's leading
conservative voices. I'm going to take it.
Apparently there was a note thatwas under the keyboard of the
home of Tyler Robertson and the supposedly transgender partner,

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you know, saying that I'm sorry,I in fact did it.
So you're you're saying that this kind of follows a
Shakespeare tragedy, follows a storyline that just seems too
good to be true? My thing is the I'm being kind
of funny when I say it's a Shakespeare soliloquy.
It just doesn't sound like somebody's.
Have you ever gotten a text froma 22 year old?

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It's all like pay to, you know, like I've worked with 22 year
old. They don't sound like that.
Like whoever wrote that it was not a 22 year old in the middle
of nowhere. Who, you know, like gems ears
don't write messages like that. Like am I the only one who's
interacted with like someone in that generation?
Like I was like this doesn't even sound like someone that

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age. It's just allegedly, you know.
I don't think your age would even write like that.
Like it's so perfectly written to be accusatory.
I. Didn't want to say that, but
yeah, yeah. It just sounds like like a
Boomer wrote it like that's whatI need by Shakespeare.
And it's just like it sounds very romanticized.
It sounds like a Boomer would have written it for some sort of

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film, like to to showcase the true villain, the true villain,
allegedly. So to me, I'm just kind of like,
yeah, no, that doesn't even sound like something Like, can
we see more writings from him, like something he wrote like on
his Facebook or something? Because this is, this is not
even Facebook because they're all on Twitter now.
But it's just, I don't know, something doesn't add up for me
in those text messages. Is it possible that the texts

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were just so like incomprehensible, something that
you might expect from a 22 year old, and then maybe somebody,
maybe investigators or somebody from the media cleaned it up to
make it sound more articulate than what we'd expect from a 22
year old? Could possibly be, but then why
are they tampering with evidence?
Yeah, Yeah, that's a good. One, you shouldn't, you

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shouldn't be touching that. Also, I have a totally random
thing to say. Why is it that the president
came out and announced his deathand it wasn't a coroner?
Has everybody noticed that a coroner has not been like any
celebrity that dies from any kind of like murder accident?
A coroner comes out and talks about a coroner report.
I haven't seen one bit of like news media allegedly talks about

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a coroner. Does anybody think that's kind
of suspicious like? About that.
Yeah, I've been sitting here going, why hasn't the Utah
coroner talked about this? Why has why did they like they
were so quick? This is a this is a crime.
Why were they so quick to bury him?
Like there's usually like an investigation, it takes a week.
Why did President Trump know about it?
Like it was just, it's, this is what I'm saying.

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Like my mind is going towards conspiracy theory so hard
because there's just so many things that don't add up to me
logically that I'm just kind of like, this doesn't make any
sense at all to me. I'm waiting for the toxicology
report because we don't know. It could have been a fentanyl
overdose like he could have had.Yeah, like all kinds of other
things could happen. The bullet is not the culprit

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here, so I'm just going. To wait, yeah.
I mean, if you fall off a building, usually you have a
heart attack before you hit the ground.
It's not the impact, it's your body reacting to falling.
You know, a lot of times that's what happens.
So we, we haven't heard from a doctor, we haven't heard from a
coroner, We haven't heard from any kind of person that is in
the medical field. So I'm, I'm just confused how

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they buried them so quickly and they're having memorials and no
doctor has come out to talk about this.
That's just my conspiracy, allegedly.
I'm putting it out there for anybody out there who's watching
this, like, really think about that.
Right, right. Well, you know, going back to
like the background of Tyler Robinson's family, I mean, all
I'm getting so far, and this is just kind of information that

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I'm that I've been gathering from The Associated Press.
So we know that Tyler Robinson was, or at least what they're
telling us, is that he was raised in a Republican household
and that his politics just eventually lean left when he got
with this supposedly transgenderpartner.
And that's his family essentially turned him in,

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probably relating to the fact oftheir politics.
So Robinson in a text did apparently exchange to the
partner that, Oh my God, my dad became die hard MAGA since Trump
was elected. What's going on?
So, yeah, I don't know. I mean, you all are as you're,
as you're stating your points. I mean, you're, you're you're

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you're putting more questions inmy head that I'd even think were
there, the questions that are very valid.
Of course, you know, we have to break down like the rhetoric
spoken by Charlie Kirk that arguably got him assassinated in
the 1st place. I mean, how can you not?
So bear with me because this is a laundry list.

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Like, you guys tell me to stop if it's becoming too much.
But, yeah. But you know how he felt about
guns going back to 2023, the fact that he said that it was
worth it to have gun deaths in order to protect the Second
Amendment's right to, you know, keep and bear arms in the United
States. You know what he said about
women, particularly women havingchildren?

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I mean, you go back to what he said on Fox News on the 8th, He
said that, quote, having children is more important than
having a good career. And I would also tell young
ladies you can also, you can always go back to your career
later, that there is a window where you primarily should
pursue marriage and having children.
And that is a beautiful thing. And, quote, in terms of birth
control and physical attraction in women, he claims that women

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become angry and bitter when they're on birth control and
that they are not attractive in the dating pool over the age of
30. He related abortion to the
Holocaust. He called COVID the China virus.
He said vaccines that were pretty much like going through
apartheid. He promoted that great
replacement theory that says that white Americans are going

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to be replaced by undocumented immigrants.
He said on a podcast last year, quote, if I see a black pilot,
I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified.
And quote, he said that the civil rights movement should
have never happened. He was against Juneteenth as a
holiday. And of course you get into his

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comments about the queer community.
He said the stoning of gay people was God's perfect law.
He can we? Stop.
Stop. I know.
It's a lot. I'm so disgusted.
I know, I know. Yeah, absolutely.
I had no idea who this man was until I started looking him up
and I was like, oh, he didn't like me because I was.
I'm a woman over 35 and I'm Latin and I'm a woman.

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Like it's it's wild to think that I've done nothing to a
person or a group of people, butyet they hate me for just
existing, you know, and that thefact that he thought, oh,
immigrants are going to over shadow white people.
You splash. The indigenous people have been
here this long whole time. And Mexican Americans, if you
don't remember, because somehow they've forgotten Texas and part

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of California, even Arizona was Mexico.
So indigenous people, Mexicans have been here a very, very long
time. You came over from your little
boat and you decided that this was your land.
And you kind of like Pew peeved some some indigenous people.
And it's like, oh, this is ours now.
That's what happened. Let's let's be real.
And a lot of us are either indigenous or we were brought

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here on votes against our will, our ancestors.
So I mean, yeah, no, no, this isour land, this is our life.
We worked very hard. I work and you guys as well, I'm
sure work twice as hard as anybody out there to prove
ourselves and to have a better life for ourselves.
So for someone who who has no political background, who

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dropped out of Community College, which is not a big deal
to kind of go after black and brown people, trans people,
LGBTQR people, because they exist and he's mad about it.
You know, I have no sympathy forthem.
Murder is terrible. But why aren't we?
Why aren't we talking about the children that die all the time

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from school children's that is more critical.
I wish we could have a visual for the kids.
There should be a visual for allthese kids that stop that these
babies, they're babies that havedied from gun violence.
But no, we're, we're, we're idolizing a man because of free
speech. Free speech comes with
consequences too. You can't just say anything out
there and just like, assume thatnothing will happen to you.

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It's unfortunate what happened to him, but I don't have to
moderate, you know, I don't haveto warn him because I don't warn
celebrities. That's all.
I. I, I don't know, maybe, maybe
this is feeding into the whole authority.
I can't even say the word, let'ssay the dictatorship quality of
MAGA. Maybe this is giving into it,
but I I feel like we should makedistinct the difference between

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free speech and hate speech. I think that I don't know, I
just feel like, OK, speak freely, but if your speech is
oppressing, denying the humanityof others, should it be free
like that? That's that's just how I feel.
I don't know, I mean. People shouldn't should be
familiar with their speech. I'm sorry.

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I'm like cutting everybody off. I'm just really passionate about
it. I'm so angry about this.
You should be allowed to say whatever you want out there, but
just understand that your words have consequences and they weigh
heavy. And especially if they're
negative and they're attacking people for no reason at all.
You just hate a bunch of people because they just exist.
Your words have consequences, you know.
Yeah, go ahead. I mean, they're trying to blur

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the lines between hate speech and free speech.
And no matter how anybody in this world feels about it,
saying something out of your mouth with your own 2 lips,
nobody should ever be able to stop you from saying that.
If you want to say something, say it.
But you do have to understand words mean things and energy
comes back to you. If you call me to F word walking

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down the street and I turn around and punch you in the
face, that's what you got. You spoke with your mouth, I
spoke with. My hands, we have the free
speech to do that now me assaulting you would lead to
some kind of criminal charge andthat's the consequence of my
action that I took back on you. So I, I, I'm starting to really
hate seeing where we are. Just yesterday, Trump literally

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threatened Jonathan Karl and said people are going to come
after him because of him being using hate speech, even though
he's just reporting the news. So they're actively working to
change the narrative of free speech, hate speech.
They want to say that what they are saying is free speech and

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anything that opposes what they say is hate speech.
And Pam Bondi has even said they're going to start
prosecuting people for talking negative or not outwardly
mourning, but celebrating the death of somebody or using hate
speech. They already put forth something
to end people's to take their passport away if they speak out

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against Israel. So how can we say that somebody
expressing that they don't like what's happening in some place
as hate speech and then all of asudden they're punished, but
there's free speech to say, oh, black people are killing each
other, That's black people's problem.
How is that not hate speech? But this is.
Yeah, it absolutely doesn't makesense.
Yeah. And and going back to the Trump

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administration, responsive it all.
I mean, you know, to see that that there are certain groups,
like nonprofit groups that they're classifying as what,
domestic terrorists. Yeah.
Yeah. Just just because they don't
align with your beliefs. We had JD Vance not too long
ago, I believe on a podcast saying that you know, the
crazies on the far left are to blame.

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Can I just say something about JD, JD Vance real quick?
I'm sorry. I find it incredibly offensive
that during the memorial of one of the most tragic things that's
ever happened in this country, September 11th, he decided to
cancel going attending any events to go and help Erica
Kirk. And then he recorded a a podcast

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episode of Charlie's podcast instead of respecting American
citizens that died by the thousands in America.
And I found it so offensive. Like not that I was like a big
fan of him to start with, but I was just like, does not does
anybody not think this is disgusting that they kind of
they also kind of try to over shadow September 11th with

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Charlie Kirk and I just I was like, are you kidding me?
That was what? Yeah, I mean between I don't.
Know what to say. Charlie Kirk, you, you didn't
know which was the bigger story that day.
It was. It was insane.
Yeah. It's crazy, crazy.
Yeah, disgusting. He hosted that podcast like a
vampire, and I'm just more concerned for the couches that

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were in that room because there were a few.
So let's pray for the couches inthat podcast.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Can.
I just say something. Another thing about JD Vast, he
went through conversion therapy and that's really.
Scary therapy, is that what you're saying?
Yeah, he went through conversiontherapy because, you know, the
church doesn't like homosexuals.And so he went through

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conversion therapy. Mike Pence went through
conversion therapy. And I don't know, all those men
who do that I kind of find scarybecause they're going against
their nature. Yeah, you know, and it's always
been very like, anytime someone was like, yeah, that person went
through. They just look like, they do
look like vampires because they're not living the truth.
And they're like, angry about life that they've been pushed

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into. This just put him not there,
allegedly. But yeah, he went through
conversion therapy. Well, one of C1 of Charlie
Kirk's most well known statements was like, oh, the
trans community should be treated like how people were
treated in the 50s and 60s. And part of that was, yes, you
know, conversion therapy, violence upon people that are
not of this sort of white cisgender male model.

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So yeah, it's it's very dangerous.
Go. Ahead.
It's just disgusting. Anybody who goes through
conversion therapy, I know that they have suffered massive
amounts of abuse and I just hopethey get the help they need
because it's an abusive system. It is absolutely.
I mean, and for anybody who's making public statements that

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are reasonably balanced in termsof like the Charlie Kirk of it
all, they're they're getting reprimanded, they're getting
fired for it. And and I'll just give a few
examples. I know that's Gerald Bourget
from the online Sports News siteThink Sports was was fired for
his comments and basically his opinion, quote, refusing to

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mourn a life devoted to that cause.
It's not the same thing as celebrating gun violence.
Truly don't care if you think it's incentive or poor timing to
decline to respect an evil man who died and quote you have
Matthew Dowd from MSNBC who got fired because he said that
hateful thoughts lead to hatefulwords, which then lead to
hateful actions. And Comcast and response said

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that, you know, essentially Matthew wasn't, you know,
producing civil dialogue, wasn'twilling to be listen to points
of view other than his own. But I counter that with that
James Baldwin quote that I gave to you, Andrew, that probably
the the the the biggest thing that it's permeating throughout
my mind, which is quote, we can disagree and still love each

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other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and
denial of my humanity and right to exist.
End Quote. So that's that James Baldwin
quote live in me and yeah, otherfirings like Washington Post
columnist Karen Adida, Middle Middle Tennessee State
University fires somebody, NASDAQ fires somebody. the US
Secret Service, United Airlines,they fired people.

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So it's, you know, it, it, it's quite possible to say violence
is wrong and also the man that was killed was wrong.
So we don't have to celebrate him as if what he did was right.
So I just don't think it's that complicated of a statement to
make. Exactly.
Exactly. I don't think it is either.

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And the thing that I hate is because we all know and we want
to say violence is not the answer, but everyday America
shows us that violence is the answer.
If we want violence to not be the answer in our actions,
starting from the top of the government, violence needs to
stop. And everybody's saying it's
rhetoric in that shit. Rhetoric is not the problem.

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Yeah, I don't give a fuck. We could all talk nicely to each
other, but we all still have access to guns and ammunition
that should not be available to just the everyday person on the
street. So I just, I hate it all.
Yeah, and to children, children have access to their parents
guns and they shoot up schools like I just mentioned.
Like that's my biggest concern about children and innocent,

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innocent, very innocent childrenbeing shot up.
Why is where's the outrage for that?
Like it's thoughts and prayers, but it's like, no, our babies
shouldn't. When I was a kid, school was my
favorite place to be. It was so safe for me.
I lived in a very, I lived in a very dangerous neighborhood and
my two favorite places where I felt safe in school and the

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library. Imagine.
Imagine someone, some other child feeling the same way and
now that's been taken away from them.
Yeah, I, I went, yeah, Going, going, going off of your point
when I was a kid at school was just all right, we're just going
to class. I'm possibly being bored or I'm
being entertained by other classmates.
And that was it. And now to go to a school as a

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kid and then you have to learn shooting drills or what have
you. And maybe you have certain adult
figures that are advocating for kids to come into school armed.
Like it's just, it's bizarre. It's, it's, it's, it's some kind
of militant war mentality that shouldn't be there when you're a
kid and you should have an innocence of just learning and

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going home and then doing it again the next day.
You know, it's, it's, it's so positive.
It's weird when I think about it, the party of people who have
been denying the reality of school shootings loses their
idol at a school shooting and they're still doing nothing to
stop school shootings. Yeah, the irony all.
About the Second Amendment, all about that Second Amendment that

(28:23):
there seems to be this idea thatif we try to limit access to
guns to those who are not mentally fit to have guns, all
of a sudden that means the mentally fit people who have
guns don't have guns anymore. It's like, no, like we, we could
have a, a background check process.
We can have a legislation process, yes, where, where if

(28:44):
you are a mentally fit person, maybe you're using it for
punting or for, for protection from your home, fine.
But if you are someone with a history of mental health issues
and what have you, maybe you shouldn't have that.
Like, I, I don't understand. I mean, we've been at this fight
since going back to, I don't know, arguably Sandy Hook and
Obama. Columbine.
Columbine, Yeah. Columbine, Yeah, Yeah, you

(29:05):
could. You could go back to Bill
Clinton's era with Columbine, but I don't remember ramp it
ramping up during Obama's 2 terms when you had Sandy Hook
and all those other school shootings and he was just
clearly worn out by trying to pass legislation.
And the and the Republican Congress is just like, no, we're
you're not going to take away our guns.
Yeah, it's it's terrible. Here we are, more than a decade

(29:27):
or two later, and we're still fighting the same fight.
It's more difficult to get an abortion or to start on Prep
than it is to get a gun in this country.
That is the craziest thing in the world to me.
Yeah, it is. It is, yeah.
So I, I, I, I want to put a button on this conversation.
I want to get all of your thoughts just closing as to what

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you've. I actually, I'm curious as to
like your first thoughts when you heard the Charlie Kirk
story, your thoughts as it may have developed throughout the
last week. Let's closeout with that.
I'm just going to close with yes, political violence should
not be allowed on both sides. That is a sentiment I agree
with. I don't know how are we going?

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How are we going to unify behindthat sentiment when the
president of the United States, the unifier of our country, is
not unifying behind that sentiment?
Because when you have the president of the United States
saying, OK, it's this side that's doing all this when
clearly it's not. He's talking about the side that
iconically is all for gun control, less guns.

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When you have that person saying, oh, no, it's this side
and we have to get rid of them, how exactly are we going to
sustain this message of political violence is wrong, no
matter what side you are coming from.
And I guess also as a partisan, someone who leans left on a lot
of issues, maybe this is arguably like, you know, feeding
into what the president wants. But I think that something that

(30:58):
could likely lead to political violence is having rhetoric that
is the opposite of promoting human rights.
You know, like, I'm a human. I have a right to exist
regardless of gender, sexuality.I have a right to an economy
that works for me. Like, if you have pretty much
the polar opposite of all that, then going back to what Matthew

(31:21):
Dowd said at MSNBC, like hatefulwords, hateful rhetoric like
that could have hateful consequences.
So I don't condone Tyler Robinson's act, but the anger
that he might have felt behind that I can certainly relate to.
So that's just kind of my closing thoughts throughout all
this, is that maybe we should take a hard look at why we're

(31:45):
celebrating. Charlie Kirk, go ahead.
And Massiel, you want to start. Yeah, I have a lot to say about
the mental state of our president.
I've been on this earth for nobody knew for seven years and
I've never heard of. I've gone through presidents.
I was a teenager in the 90s. I was a kid in the 80s.

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I've never heard a president ever talk the way he talks.
It's wild that instead of sayingsomething that's unifying us and
encouraging us to encounter peace, he's like, oh, it's the
radical left. It's that's their fault.
We they've messed up. And it's like, I've never heard

(32:26):
that. And I question sometimes his
sanity. A lot of people allegedly have
talked about him having dementiaand being physically ill and how
well he is and capable to run this country.
I never thought he could. And the fact that he's been
president again for a second term is wild to me.
So that's one thing I want to put out there to you guys.

(32:48):
Second, second. I didn't know who Charlie Kirk
was because I just, I'm not partof that political party or
political group. The fact that I had to go
research because I actually knowhow to research, because a lot
of people say research and not know and find out the most
abhorrent, disgusting, just grotesque things he said about
black and brown people and gay and queer people.

(33:11):
I I'm, I'm still, I feel like I'm in the Twilight zone because
people are like, oh, you know, he was about freedom of speech.
But yeah, of course you can havefreedom of speech in this
country, but it doesn't mean freedom of consequence.
And I don't applaud murder. I don't applaud gun violence.
But his last words were violence.

(33:32):
He was at an anti trans rally out of college with children
talking about anti trans rhetoric.
Just let that sit there for a minute.
I'm not going to mourn a celebrity.
That's not my thing. I'll mourn my family, my
friends, and for people to be soup in arms that black and brown
people are not mourning him really, really shows us who

(33:55):
really are our allies out there.I've seen I'm very much a part
of the spiritual community. I'm an astrology girly.
I can, I can tell you what's going on in the planets.
And to see people in that community say the most
disgusting things would be like,oh, you know, pro Charlie Kirk
really saddens me. And it shows me who my allies

(34:16):
are. With all that said, we they're,
they're, they're trying to silence us and we need to
continue fighting and keep continue to speak our mind
because one's person interpretation of free speech
has been very much compromised. And the way they think of us and

(34:36):
the way they, and when I say us,black, brown, you know, LGBTQ,
trans women is bizarre. I don't know what's going on,
but I will continue to speak my mind because I still have that
freedom, you know, and another more physical thing that people
could do. Write to your congressman, write
to your Rep. They're there for you.
And remember when voting season,because New York, we're having

(35:00):
the mayor, mayor running right now is happening.
Please just go out there. Don't just vote for the mayor.
Find out who your Rep is. Find out who your, you know, who
all these other people are. I started doing that because I
never, I just only voted for like the main person.
Just really learn about the government in your city because
that's what's important right now.
So. Yeah, and I will say to add to

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the black and brown people not mourning him.
Why? Why should we?
Because we were blamed for this,HBC us were on lockdown and
then. Oh yes.
It's a 22 year old white kid from Utah that did it.
So, so. So I think we have a reason.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. From a MAGA family, Yeah.

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So, AJ, go ahead. Your thoughts.
Yeah, as we close out this conversation.
So I don't feel empathy for whathappened to Charlie Kirk because
he said he does not believe in empathy.
So I have no reason to show empathy to that.
And to anybody who hears this and they say, I hope that
President Trump changes his rhetoric and I hope President
Trump learns from this. I need you to wake the fuck up.

(36:06):
I am so fucking tired of having to say Maya Angelou said when
somebody shows you who they are the first time, believe them.
And he has shown us over 100 times who he is.
That man is not going to change.The words that are coming out of
his mouth are not going to change and it won't change until
he is no longer in power. So it takes a large majority,

(36:28):
including people that are on that side that don't agree with
what comes out of his mouth, to start speaking up the same way.
They said it's too big to rig the election.
This has to be too big for him to speak louder than us.
So that's where I feel with that.
When I heard the news that he got shot, I was like, oh okay.
And I think I ordered dinner because I was like, this is not

(36:50):
my fight. This is nothing for me to deal
with. Yeah, but, but, but the white
people who were responsible for the HBCU lockdown, they made you
think that this was your fight and that you had something to do
with it. Yeah, I think it was insane.
I feel like, God, maybe there was a saying somewhere where
it's like, oh, once you, like, reach the age of 60 or over,

(37:10):
like, you're not going to change.
Like you're going to be set in your ways, something of that
nature. I'm paraphrasing.
Trump is pushing 80. And I mean, going back to the
70s, we've known who this guy is.
So the fact that people are still second in term 50 years
into Trump, still saying, I hopethis is a wake up call.
I mean, the guy almost got shot last summer in Butler, PA.

(37:35):
He's still the like. He's not.
Going to change, Yeah. And can I just say something
like totally off the cuff about Trump?
The fact that New York, Manhattan is so expensive is
because of him. The fact that Atlantic City, NJ
is destroyed is because of him. He is a businessman, yes, but he
bank threw up everything. And when people say, oh, he's a

(37:55):
businessman, he's going to run our country as a business.
Have you seen his businesses? No.
That's why he hates New Yorkers.He hates New Yorkers because we
know better. We know what he's about and he
hates us. He like wanted to bring in the
National Guard here. And it's like for what?
There's nothing like New York has always been like what is
going on? Like he's always he's destroyed
so many things. But yet people are like, well,

(38:18):
you know, like, like I don't, I don't even know what what's you
know, like it's, it's it's infuriating.
It's infuriating. It's like, come on, wake up,
wake the fuck up. This is you need to stand on 10
toes like let's do like I'm starting to get real like
heated. Let me get my scrunchie, No.
No, no, you're good. You're good.

(38:39):
I totally get it. The anchor is totally legitimate
and Trump does, you know, yes, we don't like him, but he does a
great job at this surface level marketing.
People see images of this guy who appears to be rich, who has
all this supposed gold and all these big buildings.
He was on The Apprentice. He, you know, has made a certain

(39:01):
mark on real estate. He had this best selling book
that we had this casino that eventually went bankrupt.
I mean, they see all these things and they think, oh, this
guy must know what he's talking about.
But all it takes is just sittingdown reading a book, reading a
nice deep investigative article,watching a documentary to know
that this guy is a con artist. So here America, America got

(39:24):
conned. Is is is where we are.
And as much as I don't want to see my country get conned, at
the same time it seems like we're at a point where we need
to be conned to learn. Yeah, yeah.
It's going to take some severe, severe pain and suffering

(39:45):
through financial woes. I mean, look at the farmers in
Arkansas who are going bankrupt right now because they don't
have ability to sell their crops.
Like it's going to take people feeling the pain of what is
happening to do something. And if it's not too late at that
point? Maybe something can change, but
it I said it before, it is time for people to start having

(40:08):
serious conversations with theirfriends and family members and
start ostracizing those people and letting them know that this
is not OK. And if you can't get with the
program, you got to understand aprogram is bigger than you.
Because right now, where we're headed, capitalism is about to
eat America. America will never eat
capitalism until we all work together to change it.

(40:30):
And we are on the verge of beingswallowed up.
Speaking of eating, I can't afford food.
Yeah. I'm losing weight because I
don't eat like 2 meals a day. Guys, keep it small, yeah?
I'm losing weight because of stress, but I get what you mean.
Yeah. Oh boy.

(40:53):
So you know what, I think this is a, this may be the question I
want to close out with because it's very difficult when you
have people in your lives, family, friends who you know,
voted for this man and you kind of want to like get at them.
But at the same time, you know, there, there can be this

(41:15):
resignation of like, all right, if you don't get it at this
point, then what is the point? Like, how do you deal with the
relationships with those people?Because Andrew, I mean, aji know
that you have family that have voted for Trump.
I've been told I have family that voted for Trump so.
I have family too. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. So how do you, I don't know.

(41:37):
It's, it's, it's weird because you feel like you should address
it and have a conversation, but at the same time, I, I, I'm, I'm
someone who tends to be afraid of, of that kind of conflict in
person. So I, I just kind of take the
tone of like, all right, you voted how you voted and we'll
just see what happens. But I don't know, maybe that
kind of avoidance is not going to be good long term.

(41:59):
So how do you guys deal with it?How do you guys navigate people
in your own lives and and how they voted for this man?
My friends and my family memberswho have made it very clear
their MAGA stance and voting forhim, I said it myself to them.
I do not want to associate with you until you understand what

(42:19):
you have voted for. I very clearly, I'm not going to
be upset at you. I'm not going to argue with you.
I'm not going to debate with you.
We're not having conversations about politics.
There's nothing to be said between the two of us for those
things. Because the one thing that I
have always believed in this world, you cannot carry other
people with you all the time if you want to survive.

(42:41):
It is just like an airplane. Put your mask on first before
you. You help the person next to you.
And if you can't help them, theyneed to be able to help
themselves and figure it out. It's not that I'm ostracizing
you to say that you can never come back, but you need to know
you have voted for somebody. And you're pushing rhetoric from
people who have literally said that someone like me, a black

(43:05):
gay man, does not deserve to be alive.
So I can't sit here and Kiki with you and say, oh, we're all
good. You voted how you voted no.
You literally know somebody who said they would love to see me
dead just because I exist. So I can't.
And having that conversation just very direct works for me
because I'm just going to approach something very directly

(43:27):
when it bothers me. This is where we are.
I'm not going to be fake with you.
Go about your business. I don't hate you, but you got to
go out there on your own. Yeah, I, I, I agree with that
sentiment as a Latin person and with everything that's going on
with ice. I, I kind of, if I see Latins
who voted for him, I'm like, it's like roaches parade.

(43:48):
It's roaches parade. Like, how are you even?
Like, do you see, like prior to him being elected and, and the
whole project 2025 people were like, oh, that's not going to
happen. He's doing it.
I have to walk around with my passport because my name is
Latin. Even though my family comes from
Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico, Puerto Ricans have been citizens

(44:08):
since 1916. My great grandparents, my
grandparents, my mom and dad were citizens.
So you're now it's like there's laws that that discriminate
against Latinos. So if I'm outside and someone
just gets a whip that of Latin or they hear me speaking
Spanish, which is one of my, my first languages, they could pick
me up and take me to an ICE facility.

(44:30):
It's wild. It's wild out there.
And for MAGA to be so comfortable like, and people
with MAGA ties to be so comfortable, like, well, it is
what it is. No, it's not.
You voted for this and it's to me, it's so disturbing.
I, I cut them off. I don't have time to talk to
people. I'll let you know that I don't
agree with you. And then we're cut off and we're

(44:51):
done because I and people are going to say, oh, she's being
extreme. No, no, how could you vote for
this? There are people being torn from
their families. The whole ICE raid thing was
like to pick up criminals. Half of these people were at the
court getting recertifying their, you know, residency or at
Dwarf. How are they?

(45:12):
It boggles the mind. It's boggled the mind.
And it's someone who's lived in California for three years and
moved back and seeing these places that I used to frequent
empty because they picked up everybody because they're like,
we're going to send them back. They're not even sending them
back to you. They're not even deporting
people. They're human trafficking people
because they're sending them to Africa.
It's it's wild what's going on in this country.
I have no time for Magas and maggots or whatever they are.

(45:36):
It's destroyed this country and maybe this country needed to be
brought down to be built back up.
But you know, to have this rhetoric that he's doing a good
job. No, absolutely not.
Whatever you got to get out of this cult.
We need to get these people out of this cult.
Right now. I just don't have time to talk
to them. I have to take care of my own
sanity and make sure that my people are doing OK and then

(45:57):
maybe we can work on them. But absolutely not.
And I agree with you said AJ, absolutely 2%.
Yeah, well, thank you both for this very cathartic
conversation. I mean, it's definitely much
needed. And the Charlie Kirk story still
hasn't gone away, so we'll see how it develops as time goes by.
All right, let's, you know, let's, let's balance this very

(46:22):
much needed intense conversationwith some lighter fare.
We usually wrap up our episodes with a pop culture sampler.
So the three of us are gonna give a piece of pop culture TV
show, music, movie, whatever that we've consumed that we
recommend you try kind of like asampler at Costco.
Mossial, since you're our special guest, how about you go

(46:42):
first? What?
What would you like to recommend?
I brought back to Monica. I used to use it.
Yeah, remember, I did it. I did it for one of the
episodes. I was like, I could just throw
it back. I was just like, let's change
this. Let's change the energy right
now. There you go.
That should. Be our theme song.
For for me as someone who is, you know, I don't like to use

(47:05):
the word weave, but I am an anime Diesel Taj as as well as
you can see his back. I am really, really excited
about the Demon Slayer movie. It is an anime that has appeared
in both. I think it's in Hulu and it's on
Crunchyroll. There is a movie and you can go
to theaters support your local weave because Congress is trying

(47:27):
to take away anime from us. Go check it out.
I heard it's amazing. I'm going to try to watch it
this weekend. My friends have been like, Oh,
it's incredible. I actually have two, if if you
don't mind, I have a secondary one that I want to talk about as
well. For a lot of us out there who
are having a lot of pressure andfeeling like this world is
insane, I would like to kind of suggest an app that's really

(47:53):
great. It's called Inside Timer.
It is the meditation prayer, notprayer like super, super
Christian stuff because I know there's a couple that like when
Stefani, she's another, we're going to talk about it right
now. So inside timer, look it up.
It's good for meditation, affirmations, prayers and stuff.

(48:13):
If you just need to take 5 minutes to just like I do it
every morning. I do a little, even though I
seem really angry, I'm not so angry guys.
It's just certain topics. After this, I'm going to do my
little Kiki and be like my breathing.
You're like, I am golden. I am highly favored.
You just need 5 minutes to do that in the morning just to be
like because this world is hard guys.
This is the craziness. Just go.

(48:36):
This is the twilight zone. I'm starting to think that Ron
Sterling knew something. He was a time traveler.
Him and Katt Williams are time travelers and they know
something we don't know. I'm like, there's a time
travelers because I've been using the word twilight zone way
too too frequently lately. So if you need something needed
like a second, like go in the bathroom, get away from your

(48:58):
kids for like 2 minutes, there'slike a minute meditation and
just like put it on, there's music inside.
Timer is another thing I'd like to suggest to you guys.
So go get it. It's an app in all the app
stores and I'm not like sponsored.
OK, AJ. Demon Slayer is amazing.
I'm not going to spoil a single thing about it.
I just think perch I did. I've seen it three Times Now so

(49:22):
I it's that good. When y'all get a chance to go
see Infinity Castle now. I saw it dubbed and not dubbed.
The not dubbed Japanese version I think is glorious.
The English dubbed is just as amazing.
Go see it. Bring tissue.
You will cry. I've heard I've.

(49:46):
Heard I've heard good things about it.
Yeah. The box office results for Demon
Slayer, I read the word we're pretty good.
So that's, that's good that it'sgetting a lot of buzz.
It broke the record for best, I'm sorry, best grossing anime
film since 1993. And that was Pokémon, the first
movie that broke that record. So right now it's like me at

(50:11):
like 70 or 80 million for his box office opening.
It's worth it, man. And just again, you're going to
cry. You will not be able to help it.
I everybody in the movie theaterwith me, every time I have gone
has cried at some point in the movie, except for that one guy
who got beat up during the movie.

(50:32):
Oh no. What?
What? OK, right.
So a So he did. This guy who's at the movie
theater is circulating online and the story has come out that
this man who was sitting next tohim didn't want to miss a very
intense portion of the movie. And I can tell you what it is.

(50:55):
Don't go watch the video if you don't want that moment in the
movie spoiled for you 'cause youcan see it in the background.
But this man, he had to go pee. He didn't want to get up and go
to the bathroom, so he ended up peeing on the floor of the
theater. And some people were saying it
was into a popcorn bucket, but it spilled and it got on the man
who was next to him. So this man gets up and he is

(51:17):
pummeling this guy in the sea. The movie is happening.
Oh. My God, like go to the bathroom
beforehand. Like what are you doing?
Like, don't you know a tip for even during the movie, a tip for
anybody? If you don't want to miss a
portion of it because it's a long movie, do not drink a lot

(51:41):
of stuff or make sure your bladder is empty before that
movie starts. Because every single second
something is happening. And if you don't want to get up,
don't have things to make you goto the bathroom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. AJ, can I ask, do you think that
if people were to see it that weren't Team and Slayer fans,
should they go watch the show like maybe first season to kind
of get up to date to it? Or do you think they can go and

(52:03):
stand alone watch it? You can go stand alone and watch
it, but there are moments that you won't understand.
If you're going to go, I would suggest at least watching
Infinity Train at home and then going to watch Infinity Castle
because it'll make a little moresense.
You won't have every single detail, you won't understand

(52:26):
Tanjiro's breathing techniques. You won't get that if you
haven't at least watched Infinity Train.
Got. It got.
It I love it. I I, I have, I have what's
called pre theater anxiety. I always make sure that I go to
the bathroom at my fullest extent before the movie starts.

(52:47):
Even while the movie is playing.I'm like, Oh my God, is this the
moment where I got to go pee? Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah. Like it's, it's real because,
you know, you do have this pressure, like when you're in
the theater and it's like 2 hours uninterrupted, Like, oh, I
don't want to get up and miss anything.
You know, sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn't.
But anywho, yeah. I do.
I have a technique and I'll get to my spoiler.

(53:07):
And so my technique for anybody likes to the movies because my
spoiler is another move allowed.My sampler is another movie.
I get a bottle of Gatorade when I'm at the movie or I buy one
there and I only drink about half the bottle.
Like I monitor how much I drink because before I go to the movie
theater, I'm going pee everything.
But I know as long as I keep it at that full bottle of Gatorade,

(53:30):
I'm probably not going to have to go to the bathroom during the
movie. I sift my water.
I sift my water. I, I have the bladder of it.
I don't even know. My bladder's like just tiny.
So I go to the bathroom beforehand and I have a bottle
of whatever and I do little bitty sips, little bitty sips
because I don't want to miss it,you know?
Yes. Yeah, yeah, I I buy my $10

(53:51):
bottle of water that the movie theaters charge, and then it's
just like little sips. Little sips.
But yeah, sorry. Go ahead.
AJ, What's your sampler? Thank.
You now my My Sampler is not a happy movie.
It is The Long Walk. I think everybody should go see
this movie. If you love horror or if you
were a fan of The Hunger Games and you want a much more adult

(54:12):
version of it, go watch The LongWalk.
It's a Stephen King movie. Every actor in this movie does
amazing and just the premise, it's 50 men who are going on a
walk and the walk does not stop until there's only one person
left. You have to keep walking until
there's only one person, and it's very good.

(54:35):
Thank you so much. Yeah, I remember you.
I remember you were hyping up the Long Walk a couple episodes
ago. So I know that and demon Slayer,
they're they're doing pretty good at the box office.
So thank you for that. As we get into Halloween season.
I am, you know, look, I love a good comfort food ROM com.

(54:56):
Me and my wife Tony over the weekend.
We and I think this might still be the number one movie on
Netflix right now. We saw the wrong Paris, which is
AI know. Yeah, it's it's like this W what
are you laughing at Masiel? Do you know the movie?
I, I, I heard about it and go ahead, go ahead.
I'll I'll say what I need to saybecause it provided me something
else. Well, it's yeah, yeah.

(55:18):
It's, it's it's, it's a very Western romance, dating, reality
show, romcoming kind of thing. It stars Miranda Cosgrove,
which, you know, if you guys arefamiliar with her from Carly, of
course, iCarly and drinking Joshbefore that on Nickelodeon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Miranda Cosgrove, she has all
grown. She's trying to, you know, carve
out this new identity with these, with this kind of

(55:40):
content. So basic summary from IMDb that
I hope doesn't spoil anything. A woman, Miranda Cosgrove, joins
a dating show thinking it's in Paris, France for an art
opportunity. She wants to get into art
school. And she thinks, oh, let me, you
know, go win this money from this dating show to help afford
art school. But she finds out that she's not

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in Paris, France. She's in Paris, TX.
So exactly, yeah, basically it'sit's about like her comically
trying to get out of this show as much as possible because she
doesn't really want to fall in love.
She just wants the $20,000 appearance fee.
But of course, you know, she ends up falling for this very

(56:22):
boring, conventionally attractive white cowboy lead.
So look, if you are if you are in the mood for this basic rural
Western vibe ROM com, I say go for it.
I it's one of those movies whereit's not phenomenal.
It's not terrible. It's just right in between of
like, yeah, it's a good comfort 98 watch.

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And I, I do like the message that they portray in the movie
where it's, it's good to be reminded that like personal
ambition and falling in love, itdoesn't have to be two different
things. You don't have to choose between
either or. So that's something that I love
that the movie promoted. And going back to the boring
white cowboy lead of it all. Look, for those of you

(57:05):
listening, watching, you want tocall me woke, I don't give a
shit. I just find it boring that we
always have white people in the leads of these types of movies.
I just don't want to see it anymore.
I just want to have it mixed up.So give me your cowboy movie
with. I don't know.

(57:25):
Yeah, right. Exactly.
Yeah. Give me like, a black cowboy, a
Latina cowgirl, an Asian cowboy,a black cowgirl.
I don't. Care Cowboy.
I want to see a queer cowboy wearing makeup, being the strong
man, wearing makeup, doing his things, having a lot like, yes,
yes, you're talking. You're preaching to the choir.

(57:46):
Yeah, yeah. It's just, yeah, I think it gets
Miranda Cosgrove and her white male Co star.
But I was literally talking to my wife Tony.
I'm just like, just imagine how like boring and overwhelming and
maybe hard, but also just boringthat casting session would be,
which is just, oh, here are all these different types of guys
that are the same kind of white and good looking.

(58:08):
And let's just find someone thatvibes well with Miranda Cosgrove
Grove and then we'll, we'll, we'll go.
And I just, I don't know, maybe it's the Yellowstone phenomenon.
Maybe it's the MAGA phenomenon that is producing the this sort
of like, all right, we have to have Western romances with white
leads all the time. But I just, I want something
different because if people of color can play supporting

(58:30):
characters in these movies, theycan play leads.
So let's let's just let's just get to that.
Yeah, I was going to say I was. I was a casting director for a
bit. And it doesn't come down to the
casting itself. Like people always say, oh,
casting, yes, it's actually production.
So whoever funded the project are the ones with the last word

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because I've worked in casting, we've picked a person.
We're like, that's the guy that's going to get it and it
ends up being somebody else. And you're like, what?
Because they've decided that that's what they the image they
wanted. And the other thing that was
making me laugh was the Paris, TX reference.
I was reminded by that that whole TikTok with the girls who
went to Africa because they wanted to go to new.

(59:11):
I was like, Oh my gosh, a a movie that is fictional about
what just happened. I'm kind of like, is that like,
like I don't, I don't trust anything anymore.
I'm like, that had to be like a setup.
Like how do you get that mixed up?
Like how do you get on a plane? It's like, is this going to
France? It's like, no, it's going to
Africa. What are you talking about?
Like. The plane ticket.

(59:31):
The plane ticket will clearly read where you're supposed to be
going. Like, look at the plane ticket.
Look at your itinerary, please. It's.
The fact that these girls do notknow, they didn't know how to
spell or read, because niece andTunis are two different words.
It was wild. Like when I saw that video, I
was like, this has got to be fake because how do you go?

(59:52):
How do you not know that I've come to first of all, airports
freak me out because I am a nobody really knows what kind of
brown I am. So I get stopped at the airport
a lot and it's just like, and people don't believe me.
I'm like no, no, no. Last time I went international I
got stopped like 3 times. Like people check my bags.
I'm like, I don't have anything in there.
Stinky laundry. You want to see it like so for

(01:00:13):
me to think that someone got on the plane.
Went through, security went through, not even gets to
boarding pass people drops off their luggage, goes through
security, gets to the front of the line, has a physical ticket
in their hand and still doesn't know where they're going.
That's like. Yeah.

(01:00:35):
But one thing it's it's so awesome, and nonetheless, it
makes it no Netflix movies. So, yeah, go ahead, yes.
I've got one movie recommendation for you if you
want to see a good movie with Asian Cowboys, Asian Cowgirls.
The entire movie is a western movie with an entire Asian cast.

(01:00:59):
Watch Sukiyaki Western Django. It is one of the best movie
movies I've ever seen. Is it AK drama?
I am all for K dramas. So all of the actors I think are
Korean, but it's a Tarantino film and it is so good.
So it's called Sukiyaki Western Django.
It came out, I want to say like 2011 and it is phenomenal.

(01:01:24):
Okay, all right. I'll definitely have to look
into that. Is it?
It might. Hopefully it will be on a
streaming service somewhere. It might be, I have no idea.
I never looked. I have it on DVD because it's
that phenomenal movie and I bought the DVD when the movie
premiered. Oh wow, it reminds me, you know,
And now I have a recommendation too, because you said that,
remember? You've seen the movie.

(01:01:45):
Class I get 2 positives, which is what welfare has seen that
you have. OK OK.
I I feel like I'm the only way I've seen that.
I think that's a great movie. Everyone speaking in Spanish,
even Will Farah, who's the lead,and it's a predominantly Latino
pass Casa de Tupado, the House of your parents.
And you know, Aguilera sings thetheme to like high heaven.

(01:02:06):
It's it's hilarious, but I lovedit because it was like, it's so
campy and and seeing Will Ferrell like speaking Spanish
made me laugh so hard. It's almost like, but it's
that's a fun Western movie or the House of Japan.
Love that my recommendation list.
It's getting full. I love that.
I love that. All right, well, I think that

(01:02:28):
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culture. I mean, we've had quite a bit of
tasty scrumptiousness with the samplers and then we bounce that
out with the filet of fish that's just been sitting out in
the sun for too long. That is Charlie Kirk.
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Okay, okay. And mine is more audible, less
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I will. OK, one little recommendation
I'm going to give you before yougo to the catacombs, go see the
movie as above, so below. OK.
Yes, that is it. Oh my God.
That's another movie you got to watch.

(01:05:05):
It is so good. Like, it's so underrated.
Like when I saw it, like one dayI was just going through, I
don't know what it was. It was like Amazon film.
And I was like, what is this? I watched.
And I was like, this is kind of good.
This is pretty good. And that I was like, yeah, I
should definitely go when I go to Paris.
I should go to the catacombs. Thank you.
I'm glad we're on the same wavelength.
I love. That How can people find you,

(01:05:26):
AJ? You can find me at TikTok until
December 13th, depending on whathappens y'all now we got to do
that. But December, December 13th, so
December 13th is when TikTok will no longer be updated in the
United States because if the frameworks of the deal that are
being worked on now and we're going to find out hopefully on

(01:05:49):
Friday more of the framework, it's going to be sold to Oracle.
The United States is going to get 80% leasing rights to the
algorithm to TikTok, and there'sgoing to be a new app developed
that's America only, so we won'tbe able to use the original
TikTok anymore. China will still own 20% of the

(01:06:09):
algorithm and they will get a fee from the United States of
America for leasing it out to us.
Oh my God, I didn't like, I, I mean, when they had that one day
that we didn't have TikTok, it came back.
It was always kind of funky to me anyway.
Conspiracy theory, allegedly. I can tell you from experience,
it's definitely changed. The new guidelines that just
came out on September 13th are very strict.

(01:06:33):
I've actually gotten a lot of content violations for past
videos I made because of it. And it seems like they're all
geared toward very specific things about addressing
government. And now there is a provision in
the guidelines that says if something is deemed an emergency
or sensitive to social stabilityin your your country, it will be

(01:06:56):
blocked. So they've made it clear they
are changing things. And this new app will be owned
by Oracle and a few other American based companies that
are Trump supporters. So I'm pretty sure this new app
is just going to be Trump tick tock.
So we'll see what happens. But December 13th is the

(01:07:17):
deadline as far as updates for TikTok and then we will have
access to it until December 16th.
So if you are a content creator,you get your payout that comes
on the 15th of every month. Wow, yeah, crazy.
But you can follow me at AJ Vander Tut on TikTok and all the
other apps, YouTube and YouTube.Sorry, it'll be the laugh.

(01:07:41):
YouTube and Instagram. No, no, no, because I'm growing
on. More go ahead, John.
No, no, no, no, you're fine. You're fine.
I just, I think it's okay to laugh because if we don't laugh,
we cry because sometimes you just, you have no choice but to
laugh at how ridiculous our country has become.
So, yeah, this is where we are. All right.
That being said, so we can end on a fun note, would you like to

(01:08:05):
wrap us up, AJ, with some ringing deliciousness?
I love harmonica. Let's let that deliciousness
ring, yeah?