March 10, 2025 • 32 mins
On this episode we talk about a mother who was not very religious, her brother who became a minister after this case and their father, grandfather to the victim, who said his granddaughter was possessed. The mother says God told her that her daughter had already left her body and what was in her body was no longer her daughter but a demon.
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word from our sponsors. New charges in the death of a
three-year old girl from San Jose.
The child's grandfather and uncle now accused of child abuse
after she died in what's being described as an exorcism.
KP IX5 LA Ramirez with details on this disturbing case. 59 year
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old Renee Trigueros Hernandez and 19 year old Renee Aaron
Hernandez Santos appeared together in court as they were
both formally charged with childabuse causing the death of
three-year old Orrelli Doe last September.
The girl's mother, Claudia Hernandez Santos, was previously
charged with the same crime. All three defendants were
involved in the ongoing abuse ofOrrelli Doe on September 24th.
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So while they each they did specific different physical
acts, they all were involved in this abuse.
The death happened inside a small church located behind this
house on South 2nd St. in San Jose, a statement of facts
released by the district Attorney's office states.
The defendants believe the girl was possessed by a demon because
she would sometimes wake up at night and cry or scream.
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The statement says they took thegirl to the church to pray for
her and physically force her to vomit, which they believe would
drive out evil spirits. Was strangled multiple times to
the point of unconsciousness. Aurelido had fingers shoved down
her throat to the point where she had multiple injuries to her
mouth and to her tongue. Aurelido had pressure put on her
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body, on her torso, from the front and back, with so much
force applied that she lost consciousness.
She eventually stopped breathingafter hours of abuse, but the DA
says family members waited an hour to call 911.
A coroner's report concluded shedied from asphyxiation, which
led to the grandfather and unclebeing charged, in addition to
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the mother, who was arrested in January. 4 days earlier, the
mother, Claudia, posted a YouTube video discussing her
daughter's death but not fully explaining it.
Because I cannot change what is,you know, it is what it is.
So I've, I've learned to think positive, you know, because
it's, it's, it's many reasons why God took her.
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Public defenders assigned to thecase did not want to comment.
All three defendants will be back in court to enter their
pleas in June in San Jose. Len Ramitus, KPIX 5.
Hello my demon insiders, and welcome back to the Demon
Inside. I'm your host, John Venom, and
today we are talking about the Demon Inside Claudia Hernandez
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Santos. So this case actually has three
defendants, which is her brother, Renee Junior, and her
father, Renee Senior. But we're going to talk about
Claudia Hernandez. And a lot of this stuff that I
got was actually from the policereports.
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And in the interview room, she talks to her brother in private,
but of course the police record everything.
So I'm going to be talking to you from that as well.
Now the reason I'm talking to you about Claudia in particular
is because Claudia is the one that started this whole thing in
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motion. And Claudia was actually
convicted or is getting convicted of killing her 3 year
old daughter because of a botched, let's say, exorcism.
There's a whole bunch to the story.
So I'm going to go ahead and start now.
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Claudia Hernandez, I really don't have much of a background
on her because this case just happened in 2021 and the case is
still ongoing right now. They're actually locked up, but
there's trial, there's a trial coming up this March of 19th,
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2025. And so there, everything that
I've gotten has just been what they've released to the media
and I dug deep to get a lot of these police files and
recordings and things. So let's continue with what
happened. So Claudia Hernandez had a
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three-year old child and her name was Arlie.
Now she claims that Arlie was possessed.
OK, so a lot of the stuff that Igot from before the killing, I'm
going to talk to you first about.
But this was actually after the killing happened.
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This was her talking to her brother Renee in the
interrogation room as they left them alone to talk.
And the conversation was recorded as I said.
So I'm going to start reading that from there.
She tells Renee Junior that while she was in the other
interview room, God came to her and told her that God had taken
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Arlie on Thursday and it was because of demons.
Claudia told Renee Junior that God gave her the solution and
everything was going to be OK. Claudia also said that God told
her they were not going to be guilty.
She told Renee Junior not to worry and said everything would
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be OK. Claudia asked Renee Junior if he
had seen Shamar. Shamar is Arlie's father.
Shamar and Claudia were not together at this time.
Claudia was actually married to somebody else.
But to continue, she said if shehad seen Shamar and commented
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that he was upset. Claudia then referred to the
detectives in the case and said they did not know what happened
because they did not believe in God.
Claudia said the girl was possessed because she was
asleep. She continued to twitch and her
stare was different. Claudia told Renee that God took
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the girl, so imagine what he wasgoing to come and do next.
Claudia told Renee Junior that when the girl was deceased, she
saw a vision of men in white coming down to her body and
taking her. The men were dressed in white
and took the girl from her hands.
Claudia told Renee Junior there were things that he did not
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understand, but he needed to believe in God.
Claudia said their desire was not to kill the girl even if
they look like they killed her. She asked why they would take
the girl to church if they wanted to kill her.
She said to the She said the police would not understand it.
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Claudia said she had two visionsof God and God told her she had
taken the girl. God told her the police were
going to accuse them but the girl was going to go.
Claudia said God did not show her what was going to happen.
After Arlie died, she said God had taken the girl.
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On Thursday, Claudia said it wasnot her girl as she was empty
without emotion. Claudia said what ended up
happening was not important. Claudia said that even if Renee
Junior suffered, not to worry because God will guide them.
She said not to be sad as it wasGod's wish.
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Claudia then spoke about Renee Senior and said he told her not
to tell the police anything. Claudia said three weeks before
Arlie's death she began speakingto God daily.
During this time Claudia was praying for Arlie and God told
her that he was going to take Arlie.
Claudia then prayed and asked God when he was going to take
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Arlie and God said September 24th was the date.
God told Claudia this was happening because she was never
been meant to be a mother. She asked God how he was going
to take her and he gave her two visions.
The first was that Arlie would die in her sleep.
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The second vision was that Claudia and Renee Junior were
going to be accused of something.
Claudia did not tell anyone about this conversation with God
that she was describing. Claudia then said after having
this vision she started giving Arlie everything and let Arlie
watch her phone. God later told Claudia that
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Arlie was possessed because she had been watching whatever she
wanted to on Claudia's phone. So when I heard this part, and
I'm sorry to interrupt, but whenI heard this part that God had
told her for her allowing her towatch things on her phone, it
reminded me of the other case that we did a while back, Justin
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Dalton, who was the Uber killer.And Justin Dalton said that
there was an app that changed into a demon app and it
convinced him or made him kill people.
So is there something to that? But let's continue.
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Claudia said on Thursday morningshe went to the church with her
brother to pray. While she was praying, God gave
her a vision that Claudia was dropping Arlie off at the gates
of heaven. Claudia says she thought, and I
quote, OK baby, you have to go. End Quote.
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That acted as confirmation that God was going to take Arlie that
Friday 24th. While Claudia was praying on
Thursday morning, God gave her comfort and said he was going to
be there with Claudia. Claudia then said that on
Thursday, September 24th, 2021, after Arlie went to sleep fast,
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Claudia saw a vision that on Friday Arlie would be outside
and something dark was holding her.
This made Claudia certain Arlie was possessed.
Claudia said when Arlie fell asleep on Thursday, God took her
spirit away. After that, she said she
believed a demon had taken over Arlie's body.
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She described the demon that took over Arlie's body as short,
with ugly teeth, big eyes, and hair that was burnt.
When asked if Arlie's body poseda threat to people if it had
been possessed, Claudia responded no.
When asked why Claudia did not tell officers about this vision
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on the day Arlie was killed, shesaid she did not remember and
she was in shock about what happened.
She then said that Thursday night when Arlie was in the tub
around 10:00 PM or 10:30 PM, hereyes looked black.
She could still see the white, but her eyes were black.
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Claudia confirmed that when Arlie's eyes were like that, the
demon was present. Claudia said she was confused as
to why her eyes were like that, but she was focused on it being
the last day she was going to see her baby alive.
Claudia said Arlie's body was going to throw up and that was
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going to be the demon. When asked by police how she
felt about this being God's plan, she said, yeah, I've
learned to accept what it is because what is the point of my
getting angry and saying, oh, this and that if it already
happened? End Quote.
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The police asked how it made herfeel in the moment.
And she said, and I quote, I wasconfused.
She said then said if she had not shown her cell phone to
Arlie, she would have died in another manner.
She clarified that she only found out God planned to take
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Arlie 3 weeks before Arlie's death.
She clarified that Renee Junior would not normally sleep in the
bed with her, but she asked him because she knew Arlie was going
to die and she wanted him to be there because she did not want
to be by herself. Claudia stated that while she
was at the church, she put her phone on airplane mode because
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she didn't want to be disturbed when she started praying.
When asked if she wanted Shamar Proctor, Arlie's father, to find
her, she said that she was not thinking about that, she was
just focusing on getting her baby fixed.
Claudia was then confronted withGoogle searches of her phone
that included how to introduce vomiting in adults and children.
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Bodia said she searched for thatbecause she was trying to see if
there was a way she could help her daughter throw up.
She admitted she was getting frustrated that Arlie had not
thrown up yet when she conductedthe Google search.
Arlie was not provided food or water on September 24th, 2021.
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The last time Arlie ate was the night before which was September
23rd of 2021 at Starboard. I am assuming Starboard is a
restaurant. Arlie did not have any medical
conditions and had not been sickprior to her killing.
Claudia confirmed nothing out ofthe ordinary was occurring to
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Arlie. Claudia did not provide Arlie
with any medications or illicit drugs before she believed Arlie
to be possessed. On Thursday night, Claudia said
she was not under the influence of any controlled substance and
that she did not have any mentalhealth diagnosis or treatment
history. When asked if she believed in
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medicine, Claudia said yes. Claudia said she does not
necessarily believe in possession because of the church
she goes to, but because of other things she has experienced
in her life. Where and I quote at the school
like places that I've been that I know that are like it's just
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things that I know that are possessed are people, you know?
End Quote. She says she always believed in
it since she was a kid. She described it as being like a
medium. When asked if she thinks she
caused her daughter's death, Claudia replied in a way.
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So now I'm going to go through the days leading up to her death
and this is going to be a littlebit violent guys, and I'm
trying, I'm going to try not to go through too much of what
happened without being too descriptive because this is
plain and simple. Basically, they held this child
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down and were forcing her to vomit because they wanted the
demon to come out. So Claudia says that this 3 year
old, now keep that in mind, she's three years old after she
brought her home Thursday after they ate at Starboard.
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That Claudia or that Arlie didn't seem like herself.
She seemed like she was possessed by something.
And that's what Claudia says. She says and I quote like a
spirit. I don't know in quote.
So Arlie started throwing her clothes from the closet all over
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the room. Keep in mind again, this is a
three-year old. She started throwing her clothes
everywhere. Claudia started praying she
calmed down enough to take a shower.
Claudia says that everything wasfine, but her eyes looked kind
of weird. She then had Renee Junior sleep
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with them in the bed. So Claudia was on one side,
Renee was on another, and Arlee was in the middle.
Now throughout the night Arlee kept screaming and crying and
Claudia says that the screaming did not sound like her daughter
but sounded like a demon. And every time that she would
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wake up she would ask Arlie if she was OK or if she was in pain
and Arlie would tell her no. They would start praying for her
and she would go back to sleep. Now during this time Claudia
said that demons can possess items, so she asked Renee if he
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could take all the stuff out of their room except for the bed,
which he did. Throughout the night, they kept
she kept waking up and kept crying.
And when this would happen, theywould start praying over her.
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Now here's where the story kind of gets a little confusing
because these are three different police reports and
what I ended up doing 1's from the dad, one's from the brother
and one's from the mother, Claudia.
And what I ended up doing was taking all the stuff that they
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said first before detectives started questioning them, you
know, and changing them around, which they pretty much stayed
the same. All three of them stayed pretty
much to the same story. You know, there was just little
things. Like, for instance, Renee Junior
said that he didn't give CPR andthen later on, he changed and
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said he did give CPR. The dad said that he has showed
up and that he was trying to help, but he ended up giving
CPR. There's just like little things.
What I kept in here is pretty much what all three of them
repeated. Basically said the same thing as
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one another. So throughout the night they're
praying for Arlie, and by morning they're saying that they
cannot get her to throw up. She's supposed to throw up so
she could throw up the demon, but she refuses.
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And so they take her to a churchthat is actually behind the
house that her father is a pastor.
Now think about this, guys, thisis 7:00 in the morning and they
arrive at this church where theygo in and they lay her down on
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the chairs and they start praying for her.
Well, according to Claudia and Renee, she starts to struggle.
So they're trying to hold her down.
One's holding her by her stomach, the other one's holding
her by her neck. Now keep in mind, she did not
die of suffocation. She died in a most brutal way
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because they were forcing her tothrow up.
And we're talking 16 hours or 18hours of this, this this little
girl went through torture because these two were trying to
get her to throw up the demon. Well, at the church they were
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having a lot of trouble with this 3 year old who they said
they could not hold because she kept moving and pushing.
And we're talking about two grown adults.
We're talking about a male adultand a female with a three-year
old little girl. So they end up calling their
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father and they told him, look, we need you to come and help us
with Arlie because she is possessed.
I'm thinking that they didn't actually say that when they
called her, but they did talk tohim when he arrived.
Now, Arlie, every time they would pray, she would fall
asleep and this would give them time to recuperate or, you know,
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take take time and to consider what's going on here.
So the father says that he wouldbe there after lunch, which he
does. He shows up around 1:00.
Keep in mind this is the next day.
This is the 24th and they've been doing this all night from
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the 23rd. So they started praying for 2-3
hours at a time and when the dadshows up after lunch, Claudia
and her brother start talking tohim.
Now here's the part that gets mebecause this is a pastor of a
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church that does not perform exorcisms.
So according to the dad though he has seen or done 2 exorcisms
on adults and this was prior to I guess the church or I'm not
sure how this even went but for me it's hard to understand how a
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father and a grandfather would just fall into place saying that
his granddaughter is possessed. So now you have the mother, the
brother and the father. 3 grown-ups that are saying that
this 3 year old little girl is possessed by a demon and all
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three of them are trying to get her to throw up.
Father has actually said that byher throwing up, she would throw
up the demon and that he's seen this before.
And it usually comes out in bubbles or it comes out in white
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or some weird crap. And I'm sorry, I'm throwing off
the script here, but it's just, it's, it's unreal.
So this poor kid. And we're talking about like
6:00 in the afternoon already. She ends up throwing up and they
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take a break because she falls asleep and the dad goes outside
and makes a phone call. And when he comes back in, he
says that she's already purple and she's already passed away.
So now they end up calling different people like Claudia
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ends up calling her ex-husband or the father of her kid letting
him know she calls her mom. She calls her husband her actual
husband at the time and before they call 911.
I'm very curious and I'm probably going to make some of
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you upset, so please forgive me,but I'm going to play devil's
advocate here. And I've done this before with
Audie Sanchez and the Asia Watkins.
Where what if let's just say this 3 year old was possessed
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and all these three adults who said that she had supernatural
strength. They couldn't hold her down.
They couldn't force her to throwup.
They couldn't force her to open her mouth because the child was
trying to throw up, but she didn't want to throw up.
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The child started telling them that she loved the mom, she
loved her. She said, you know, but she
would always like scream, no, no, no.
Why would this be a demon possession?
Now let's say that Claudia was the one that had a demon who was
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tricking her to make it seem like her daughter was strong and
her daughter was fighting. Well, then what about the
brother and the dad? You got three grown adults who
are sensible, who are intelligent, who are religious,
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and all three of them believed that this child was possessed.
Did they believe it because the mom said she was possessed?
Or did they see something that really freaked them out to the
point where they felt like this little girl was possessed?
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Now, the little girl, like I said, she was three years old,
Arlie, she passed away and thesethree were put in jail and their
trial is still coming up. They, they're not sure if
they're going to charge them with first degree murder or
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they're going to charge them with manslaughter because of the
religious texts. They're not sure what they're
going to do. The trial is actually coming up
March 19th, 2025. So what I find weird is earlier
when we talked about the that the child was using the phone,
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she actually comes out with fourvideos of herself on YouTube and
one was actually after she had killed her child.
If you guys get a chance, you need to go and look at it.
I'll actually put it on the files below.
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So that way you can I'll put thelink below.
And she is just it's very creepybecause she's happy and sad
about it and she says that not to judge her on what she did and
that nobody knows what happened for real.
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Keep in mind two days after thisvideo she was arrested.
The other three were all four ofthose videos, including the
other three, were posted all on the same day, which was, like I
said, two or three days before she was arrested.
So I'm not sure why she did thatand put them all out at one
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time. I think she actually thought she
had gotten away with it and thatshe wasn't going to go to jail
for it. But the police actually used
though that video. Are they going to use that video
in court against her? I don't know what would cause
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someone to think that they are doing an exorcism for one if
they don't even have the right tools to do an exorcism.
I mean, what are the tools to doan exorcism?
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Thinking as a criminal justice type of person, how did she get
her brother and her dad to help her kill her child?
You know, we've been talking about trying to find the demon
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inside. Could this little girl have been
possessed or was the demon possessing the three people into
seeing what he wanted them to see and they ended up killing
this poor little girl? Thanks for listening guys.
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word from our sponsors. New charges in the death of a
three-year old girl from San Jose.
The child's grandfather and uncle now accused of child abuse
after she died in what's being described as an exorcism.
KP IX5 LA Ramirez with details on this disturbing case. 59 year
(01:22):
old Renee Trigueros Hernandez and 19 year old Renee Aaron
Hernandez Santos appeared together in court as they were
both formally charged with childabuse causing the death of
three-year old Orrelli Doe last September.
The girl's mother, Claudia Hernandez Santos, was previously
charged with the same crime. All three defendants were
involved in the ongoing abuse ofOrrelli Doe on September 24th.
(01:47):
So while they each they did specific different physical
acts, they all were involved in this abuse.
The death happened inside a small church located behind this
house on South 2nd St. in San Jose, a statement of facts
released by the district Attorney's office states.
The defendants believe the girl was possessed by a demon because
she would sometimes wake up at night and cry or scream.
(02:10):
The statement says they took thegirl to the church to pray for
her and physically force her to vomit, which they believe would
drive out evil spirits. Was strangled multiple times to
the point of unconsciousness. Aurelido had fingers shoved down
her throat to the point where she had multiple injuries to her
mouth and to her tongue. Aurelido had pressure put on her
(02:33):
body, on her torso, from the front and back, with so much
force applied that she lost consciousness.
She eventually stopped breathingafter hours of abuse, but the DA
says family members waited an hour to call 911.
A coroner's report concluded shedied from asphyxiation, which
led to the grandfather and unclebeing charged, in addition to
(02:54):
the mother, who was arrested in January. 4 days earlier, the
mother, Claudia, posted a YouTube video discussing her
daughter's death but not fully explaining it.
Because I cannot change what is,you know, it is what it is.
So I've, I've learned to think positive, you know, because
it's, it's, it's many reasons why God took her.
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Public defenders assigned to thecase did not want to comment.
All three defendants will be back in court to enter their
pleas in June in San Jose. Len Ramitus, KPIX 5.
Hello my demon insiders, and welcome back to the Demon
Inside. I'm your host, John Venom, and
today we are talking about the Demon Inside Claudia Hernandez
(03:39):
Santos. So this case actually has three
defendants, which is her brother, Renee Junior, and her
father, Renee Senior. But we're going to talk about
Claudia Hernandez. And a lot of this stuff that I
got was actually from the policereports.
(04:00):
And in the interview room, she talks to her brother in private,
but of course the police record everything.
So I'm going to be talking to you from that as well.
Now the reason I'm talking to you about Claudia in particular
is because Claudia is the one that started this whole thing in
(04:20):
motion. And Claudia was actually
convicted or is getting convicted of killing her 3 year
old daughter because of a botched, let's say, exorcism.
There's a whole bunch to the story.
So I'm going to go ahead and start now.
(04:43):
Claudia Hernandez, I really don't have much of a background
on her because this case just happened in 2021 and the case is
still ongoing right now. They're actually locked up, but
there's trial, there's a trial coming up this March of 19th,
(05:03):
2025. And so there, everything that
I've gotten has just been what they've released to the media
and I dug deep to get a lot of these police files and
recordings and things. So let's continue with what
happened. So Claudia Hernandez had a
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three-year old child and her name was Arlie.
Now she claims that Arlie was possessed.
OK, so a lot of the stuff that Igot from before the killing, I'm
going to talk to you first about.
But this was actually after the killing happened.
(05:49):
This was her talking to her brother Renee in the
interrogation room as they left them alone to talk.
And the conversation was recorded as I said.
So I'm going to start reading that from there.
She tells Renee Junior that while she was in the other
interview room, God came to her and told her that God had taken
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Arlie on Thursday and it was because of demons.
Claudia told Renee Junior that God gave her the solution and
everything was going to be OK. Claudia also said that God told
her they were not going to be guilty.
She told Renee Junior not to worry and said everything would
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be OK. Claudia asked Renee Junior if he
had seen Shamar. Shamar is Arlie's father.
Shamar and Claudia were not together at this time.
Claudia was actually married to somebody else.
But to continue, she said if shehad seen Shamar and commented
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that he was upset. Claudia then referred to the
detectives in the case and said they did not know what happened
because they did not believe in God.
Claudia said the girl was possessed because she was
asleep. She continued to twitch and her
stare was different. Claudia told Renee that God took
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the girl, so imagine what he wasgoing to come and do next.
Claudia told Renee Junior that when the girl was deceased, she
saw a vision of men in white coming down to her body and
taking her. The men were dressed in white
and took the girl from her hands.
Claudia told Renee Junior there were things that he did not
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understand, but he needed to believe in God.
Claudia said their desire was not to kill the girl even if
they look like they killed her. She asked why they would take
the girl to church if they wanted to kill her.
She said to the She said the police would not understand it.
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Claudia said she had two visionsof God and God told her she had
taken the girl. God told her the police were
going to accuse them but the girl was going to go.
Claudia said God did not show her what was going to happen.
After Arlie died, she said God had taken the girl.
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On Thursday, Claudia said it wasnot her girl as she was empty
without emotion. Claudia said what ended up
happening was not important. Claudia said that even if Renee
Junior suffered, not to worry because God will guide them.
She said not to be sad as it wasGod's wish.
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Claudia then spoke about Renee Senior and said he told her not
to tell the police anything. Claudia said three weeks before
Arlie's death she began speakingto God daily.
During this time Claudia was praying for Arlie and God told
her that he was going to take Arlie.
Claudia then prayed and asked God when he was going to take
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Arlie and God said September 24th was the date.
God told Claudia this was happening because she was never
been meant to be a mother. She asked God how he was going
to take her and he gave her two visions.
The first was that Arlie would die in her sleep.
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The second vision was that Claudia and Renee Junior were
going to be accused of something.
Claudia did not tell anyone about this conversation with God
that she was describing. Claudia then said after having
this vision she started giving Arlie everything and let Arlie
watch her phone. God later told Claudia that
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Arlie was possessed because she had been watching whatever she
wanted to on Claudia's phone. So when I heard this part, and
I'm sorry to interrupt, but whenI heard this part that God had
told her for her allowing her towatch things on her phone, it
reminded me of the other case that we did a while back, Justin
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Dalton, who was the Uber killer.And Justin Dalton said that
there was an app that changed into a demon app and it
convinced him or made him kill people.
So is there something to that? But let's continue.
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Claudia said on Thursday morningshe went to the church with her
brother to pray. While she was praying, God gave
her a vision that Claudia was dropping Arlie off at the gates
of heaven. Claudia says she thought, and I
quote, OK baby, you have to go. End Quote.
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That acted as confirmation that God was going to take Arlie that
Friday 24th. While Claudia was praying on
Thursday morning, God gave her comfort and said he was going to
be there with Claudia. Claudia then said that on
Thursday, September 24th, 2021, after Arlie went to sleep fast,
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Claudia saw a vision that on Friday Arlie would be outside
and something dark was holding her.
This made Claudia certain Arlie was possessed.
Claudia said when Arlie fell asleep on Thursday, God took her
spirit away. After that, she said she
believed a demon had taken over Arlie's body.
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She described the demon that took over Arlie's body as short,
with ugly teeth, big eyes, and hair that was burnt.
When asked if Arlie's body poseda threat to people if it had
been possessed, Claudia responded no.
When asked why Claudia did not tell officers about this vision
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on the day Arlie was killed, shesaid she did not remember and
she was in shock about what happened.
She then said that Thursday night when Arlie was in the tub
around 10:00 PM or 10:30 PM, hereyes looked black.
She could still see the white, but her eyes were black.
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Claudia confirmed that when Arlie's eyes were like that, the
demon was present. Claudia said she was confused as
to why her eyes were like that, but she was focused on it being
the last day she was going to see her baby alive.
Claudia said Arlie's body was going to throw up and that was
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going to be the demon. When asked by police how she
felt about this being God's plan, she said, yeah, I've
learned to accept what it is because what is the point of my
getting angry and saying, oh, this and that if it already
happened? End Quote.
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The police asked how it made herfeel in the moment.
And she said, and I quote, I wasconfused.
She said then said if she had not shown her cell phone to
Arlie, she would have died in another manner.
She clarified that she only found out God planned to take
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Arlie 3 weeks before Arlie's death.
She clarified that Renee Junior would not normally sleep in the
bed with her, but she asked him because she knew Arlie was going
to die and she wanted him to be there because she did not want
to be by herself. Claudia stated that while she
was at the church, she put her phone on airplane mode because
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she didn't want to be disturbed when she started praying.
When asked if she wanted Shamar Proctor, Arlie's father, to find
her, she said that she was not thinking about that, she was
just focusing on getting her baby fixed.
Claudia was then confronted withGoogle searches of her phone
that included how to introduce vomiting in adults and children.
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Bodia said she searched for thatbecause she was trying to see if
there was a way she could help her daughter throw up.
She admitted she was getting frustrated that Arlie had not
thrown up yet when she conductedthe Google search.
Arlie was not provided food or water on September 24th, 2021.
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The last time Arlie ate was the night before which was September
23rd of 2021 at Starboard. I am assuming Starboard is a
restaurant. Arlie did not have any medical
conditions and had not been sickprior to her killing.
Claudia confirmed nothing out ofthe ordinary was occurring to
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Arlie. Claudia did not provide Arlie
with any medications or illicit drugs before she believed Arlie
to be possessed. On Thursday night, Claudia said
she was not under the influence of any controlled substance and
that she did not have any mentalhealth diagnosis or treatment
history. When asked if she believed in
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medicine, Claudia said yes. Claudia said she does not
necessarily believe in possession because of the church
she goes to, but because of other things she has experienced
in her life. Where and I quote at the school
like places that I've been that I know that are like it's just
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things that I know that are possessed are people, you know?
End Quote. She says she always believed in
it since she was a kid. She described it as being like a
medium. When asked if she thinks she
caused her daughter's death, Claudia replied in a way.
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So now I'm going to go through the days leading up to her death
and this is going to be a littlebit violent guys, and I'm
trying, I'm going to try not to go through too much of what
happened without being too descriptive because this is
plain and simple. Basically, they held this child
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down and were forcing her to vomit because they wanted the
demon to come out. So Claudia says that this 3 year
old, now keep that in mind, she's three years old after she
brought her home Thursday after they ate at Starboard.
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That Claudia or that Arlie didn't seem like herself.
She seemed like she was possessed by something.
And that's what Claudia says. She says and I quote like a
spirit. I don't know in quote.
So Arlie started throwing her clothes from the closet all over
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the room. Keep in mind again, this is a
three-year old. She started throwing her clothes
everywhere. Claudia started praying she
calmed down enough to take a shower.
Claudia says that everything wasfine, but her eyes looked kind
of weird. She then had Renee Junior sleep
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with them in the bed. So Claudia was on one side,
Renee was on another, and Arlee was in the middle.
Now throughout the night Arlee kept screaming and crying and
Claudia says that the screaming did not sound like her daughter
but sounded like a demon. And every time that she would
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wake up she would ask Arlie if she was OK or if she was in pain
and Arlie would tell her no. They would start praying for her
and she would go back to sleep. Now during this time Claudia
said that demons can possess items, so she asked Renee if he
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could take all the stuff out of their room except for the bed,
which he did. Throughout the night, they kept
she kept waking up and kept crying.
And when this would happen, theywould start praying over her.
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Now here's where the story kind of gets a little confusing
because these are three different police reports and
what I ended up doing 1's from the dad, one's from the brother
and one's from the mother, Claudia.
And what I ended up doing was taking all the stuff that they
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said first before detectives started questioning them, you
know, and changing them around, which they pretty much stayed
the same. All three of them stayed pretty
much to the same story. You know, there was just little
things. Like, for instance, Renee Junior
said that he didn't give CPR andthen later on, he changed and
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said he did give CPR. The dad said that he has showed
up and that he was trying to help, but he ended up giving
CPR. There's just like little things.
What I kept in here is pretty much what all three of them
repeated. Basically said the same thing as
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one another. So throughout the night they're
praying for Arlie, and by morning they're saying that they
cannot get her to throw up. She's supposed to throw up so
she could throw up the demon, but she refuses.
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And so they take her to a churchthat is actually behind the
house that her father is a pastor.
Now think about this, guys, thisis 7:00 in the morning and they
arrive at this church where theygo in and they lay her down on
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the chairs and they start praying for her.
Well, according to Claudia and Renee, she starts to struggle.
So they're trying to hold her down.
One's holding her by her stomach, the other one's holding
her by her neck. Now keep in mind, she did not
die of suffocation. She died in a most brutal way
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because they were forcing her tothrow up.
And we're talking 16 hours or 18hours of this, this this little
girl went through torture because these two were trying to
get her to throw up the demon. Well, at the church they were
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having a lot of trouble with this 3 year old who they said
they could not hold because she kept moving and pushing.
And we're talking about two grown adults.
We're talking about a male adultand a female with a three-year
old little girl. So they end up calling their
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father and they told him, look, we need you to come and help us
with Arlie because she is possessed.
I'm thinking that they didn't actually say that when they
called her, but they did talk tohim when he arrived.
Now, Arlie, every time they would pray, she would fall
asleep and this would give them time to recuperate or, you know,
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take take time and to consider what's going on here.
So the father says that he wouldbe there after lunch, which he
does. He shows up around 1:00.
Keep in mind this is the next day.
This is the 24th and they've been doing this all night from
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the 23rd. So they started praying for 2-3
hours at a time and when the dadshows up after lunch, Claudia
and her brother start talking tohim.
Now here's the part that gets mebecause this is a pastor of a
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church that does not perform exorcisms.
So according to the dad though he has seen or done 2 exorcisms
on adults and this was prior to I guess the church or I'm not
sure how this even went but for me it's hard to understand how a
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father and a grandfather would just fall into place saying that
his granddaughter is possessed. So now you have the mother, the
brother and the father. 3 grown-ups that are saying that
this 3 year old little girl is possessed by a demon and all
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three of them are trying to get her to throw up.
Father has actually said that byher throwing up, she would throw
up the demon and that he's seen this before.
And it usually comes out in bubbles or it comes out in white
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or some weird crap. And I'm sorry, I'm throwing off
the script here, but it's just, it's, it's unreal.
So this poor kid. And we're talking about like
6:00 in the afternoon already. She ends up throwing up and they
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take a break because she falls asleep and the dad goes outside
and makes a phone call. And when he comes back in, he
says that she's already purple and she's already passed away.
So now they end up calling different people like Claudia
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ends up calling her ex-husband or the father of her kid letting
him know she calls her mom. She calls her husband her actual
husband at the time and before they call 911.
I'm very curious and I'm probably going to make some of
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you upset, so please forgive me,but I'm going to play devil's
advocate here. And I've done this before with
Audie Sanchez and the Asia Watkins.
Where what if let's just say this 3 year old was possessed
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and all these three adults who said that she had supernatural
strength. They couldn't hold her down.
They couldn't force her to throwup.
They couldn't force her to open her mouth because the child was
trying to throw up, but she didn't want to throw up.
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The child started telling them that she loved the mom, she
loved her. She said, you know, but she
would always like scream, no, no, no.
Why would this be a demon possession?
Now let's say that Claudia was the one that had a demon who was
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tricking her to make it seem like her daughter was strong and
her daughter was fighting. Well, then what about the
brother and the dad? You got three grown adults who
are sensible, who are intelligent, who are religious,
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and all three of them believed that this child was possessed.
Did they believe it because the mom said she was possessed?
Or did they see something that really freaked them out to the
point where they felt like this little girl was possessed?
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Now, the little girl, like I said, she was three years old,
Arlie, she passed away and thesethree were put in jail and their
trial is still coming up. They, they're not sure if
they're going to charge them with first degree murder or
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they're going to charge them with manslaughter because of the
religious texts. They're not sure what they're
going to do. The trial is actually coming up
March 19th, 2025. So what I find weird is earlier
when we talked about the that the child was using the phone,
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she actually comes out with fourvideos of herself on YouTube and
one was actually after she had killed her child.
If you guys get a chance, you need to go and look at it.
I'll actually put it on the files below.
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So that way you can I'll put thelink below.
And she is just it's very creepybecause she's happy and sad
about it and she says that not to judge her on what she did and
that nobody knows what happened for real.
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Keep in mind two days after thisvideo she was arrested.
The other three were all four ofthose videos, including the
other three, were posted all on the same day, which was, like I
said, two or three days before she was arrested.
So I'm not sure why she did thatand put them all out at one
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time. I think she actually thought she
had gotten away with it and thatshe wasn't going to go to jail
for it. But the police actually used
though that video. Are they going to use that video
in court against her? I don't know what would cause
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someone to think that they are doing an exorcism for one if
they don't even have the right tools to do an exorcism.
I mean, what are the tools to doan exorcism?
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Thinking as a criminal justice type of person, how did she get
her brother and her dad to help her kill her child?
You know, we've been talking about trying to find the demon
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inside. Could this little girl have been
possessed or was the demon possessing the three people into
seeing what he wanted them to see and they ended up killing
this poor little girl? Thanks for listening guys.
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