The Demon Inside Gene R. Meredith

On this episode we discuss the auditory hallucinations of Gene Meredith who killed a woman, but could have killed many others. Could this be a demon known as anger and rage or is Gene among many murderers that suffer from a mental disorder?

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welcome back to the Demon Inside.
I'm your host, John Venom, and today we will be talking about
the Demon Inside Gene Meredith. Jean Meredith was a killer that
the police believe was a serial killer, but they only convicted
him of 1 murder when there couldhave been two and there would

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have been more according to Jean, because of the voices in
his head are actually the voicesoutside of his head.
We're going to get into that. But before we do, let me give
you just a brief background on Jean because anything that I
tried to find was really hard tofind.
I found some paperwork from the courts about him trying to get

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his case dismissed because due to mental issues, which I
believe Jean did have, he started off at the age of 18.
But let me let me get back to let me start this way.
Jean was born in Lansing, MI andhe lived with his mom and his

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stepdad and while he was with his mom and his stepdad he used
to get abused. Now, according to this
documentary I saw, which was TheKiller Speaks season 2 episode
1, and I would suggest you guys watch this because I'm going to
be referring to this back and forth because like, you know, I

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like to go directly to the source and Gene is actually
giving an interview on this show.
So if you get a chance, you needto watch The Killer Speak Season
2 episode 1. And there's a certain part that
I really want you to see, so we'll get into that as well.

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But anyway, Gene says that when he was a child, he was mentally
abused by his stepdad. Later on he kind of contradicts
that by saying that he got he was getting slapped and bullied
like when he was a kid. Now I don't know if he's talking
about the kids at school or if he was talking about his

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stepdad, but I know his stepdad was one of the bullies.
Gene went to school, graduated at the age of 18.
He joined the Air Force when hisbuddy or his roommate from the
Air Force started to slap and bully Gene around.
Now all of a sudden these voicesstarted coming out in his head,

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which I do believe these voices were not just demonic presence
but also schizophrenia. Now what the doctor on the show
calls it, she calls it schizoaffective disorder.
And for me, to be honest with you guys, every time something

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new comes out, every time that there's a different symptom or a
couple of symptoms wrapped together in one, they start
calling it different things to put a name to it.
For instance, if you're angry, they call it anger.
If you're happy, they call it happiness.
If you sad, sadness, and so on and so on.

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So with these mental issues, they start calling it different
names like schizophrenia or schizoaffective or bipolar or
depression, things like that. And I'm not trying to take away
from that, but I'm just saying that these are names that could
possibly be a demon or the demon's name, because a lot of

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these demons like to take the names of murder, hatred, you
know, a porn, just like with TedBundy.
And what these demons do is theycreate this scenario that ends
up with the psychiatrist trying to define it.

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And they usually define it in a new term.
So for Shannon and the people atthe Mayo Hospital, if this
doesn't sound right, I apologize.
I know you guys are fans, I loveyou all, and I just thought I'd
throw out that shout out to you guys.
But for me, these psychological terms are not the cause, but

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these are a way to reference what's happening to a person so
that other people know what they're talking about.
Why can't it be a demon that is either portraying himself as
these symptoms or it's a demon that these psychological doctors

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actually named? Let's continue.
So Gene was after when he was inthe Air Force and, and this guy
was bullying him. The, the, the voices came out
and started telling them to makethis guy pay.
And so he grabbed an iron and hewas about to strike this guy and

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kill him, but he resisted. OK, so this is Gene, 18 years
old, resisting the voices that are shouting at him to get
revenge, to take, you know, to to not let them bully him
anymore. But he did resist and he started
to travel the the country. And this was the kind of guy

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that would go around, pick up a job and then quit and pick up a
job and get fired or pick up a job and then just keep moving.
He wasn't one to stay in one place.
Now, the way Gene defines it is that he was trying to get away
from the voices in his head. My question is this, if he was
trying to get away from the voices, he said that the voices

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would catch up to him. Does that mean at certain points
in his life he lost the voices? Because think about this.
If you're mentally sick, if you're, if you, let's let's put
it this way, if you have a flu, you can't drive 100 miles down
the road and get rid of the flu and then it's going to come back

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to you. This mental issue was something
that he said was following them.So for me, that could be a
demon. Now, it doesn't make it that
he's possessed, or at least not yet, but let's continue.
So later on in life, in his 40s,Gene was 48 years old and he was

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living with a woman, an elderly woman.
And he hadn't, supposedly he hadn't killed anybody or
anything. But when he was living in Great
Falls, Mt, there was a woman that ended up dead at a
laundromat. Now she was choked to death.
Then about a month later or a week later, something along

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those lines. They never said that Gene killed
this woman, but there's a lot ofbelief that it was him.
So later on, he is with a girlfriend named Debbie Bailey,
and him and Debbie were getting to the point where he wanted to
live with her. He decided that the voices

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weren't talking to him too much.He started taking pills and then
he wanted to move in with Debbie.
Well him and Debbie would drink and to start drinking he would
stop taking his pills for his mental condition so that way he

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could drink because you're not supposed to drink with your
medications. Now on this part I agree.
His mental stability needed to be controlled by these pills and
by him stopping and starting andstopping and starting so that he

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could have a drink or or drink alot.
It's not a good thing because itgets out of your system, it gets
into your system, it's back and forth and it's somebody that
takes pills for PTSD and anxietyand depression missing once or
twice. It does affect you and might not
affect you that day that you miss it, but it might affect you
in a couple of days. So for those of you that do take

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medications for depression, bipolar, and all these other
mental issues, please don't stoptaking your medications.
You really need to take those. And I, and I'm sorry I'm even
throwing that out there, but I'mjust saying as a person that
takes medications, you really need to do that because if not,
it makes you feel so different. But Gene was saying that the

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medications that he took weren'tmaking him feel like himself.
So he would stop and he would drink and he would be himself.
But that's when the voices started coming back.
Now how? And let me let me ask this.
How is it that the medication stop the voices?
But also so did traveling. I don't understand that, but

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let's continue. So anyway, Jean decided he was
going to move in with Bailey andshe decided it was OK and they
were together and all of a sudden something happened.
The gene got very upset and he started choking Debbie and she
started telling them that she loved him and she loved him and

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why was he doing this and she loved him.
And he stopped and he felt really bad about it.
And he said that the voices wereso loud in his head, but he
decided he wasn't going to kill her.
He told her to not tell anybody because he was embarrassed by

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what these voices were telling them to do.
And he really did want to move in with her.
And he wanted to have a family with her.
I mean, she already had a son. She had a couple of sons.
And and, you know, he just wanted to be a part of a family.
What ended up happening was she told her friends, told her

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family and they told her to stayaway from them.
So Jane gets upset with his withher family and with her sons and
with the with the friends. And Jane decides that he's going
to go kill her sons and he's going to go kill her two
friends. He's going to go stab the son
and he's going to go shoot the two friends that she told.

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So he drives out to the son's House of Debbie, and he's
outside in a violent rage. And he says that all of a sudden
he sees a woman sitting there. And this was Rose Torres.
She was 51 at the time. And I know I usually don't say

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who these victims are because I don't want to give these
murderers that power. And I don't want to connect
their names to the person that killed them because they do not
deserve that. But this woman and I have to
tell you, she was an ex guard for a prison, which makes it a
little bit of a difference. Now she was sitting outside of

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the house, just a little bit away from where Jean was yelling
and she was smoking a cigarette and he saw her.
He walked up to where they started talking.
She kind of calmed him down. He asked her if they wanted to
go to a bar and I'm going to lethim describe what happened next.

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Here I was, waving this knife, yelling and screaming for Ed to
come out, and then I noticed her.
She was sitting to the side against the signpost.
Somehow or another, Rose calmed me down.
I sat down next to her and started a conversation with her,
but in my head the voice was saying she's going to say

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something, she's a witness, you got to keep her as a witness.
No witnesses, no witnesses. I asked her would you like to
stop at the bar and have a couple of trains?
She said yes, and I was talking with the voices and they started

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telling me she was going to be the first one and then we're
going to get the rest of them. He resists the voices.
But then she started smoking allmy cigarettes like Debbie used
to do. Rose takes his last cigarette

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and then the voices came back tome and they started saying she
ain't no different than Debbie. Let's do her in.
As we were walking, the voices were turning up the value.

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They were continuing, getting louder and louder.
The voices the same pretty soon came.
Pretty soon we started walking down the alley.
Voices started telling me this is it.
This is where we're going to do it.
Tell her to get undressed. She took her clothes off and

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folded them and set them beside the dumpster and she laid down
and that's when I took out my knife.
I said, now this is for you. I stabbed her Here, here, here,
here. So now what we have is that she
took off her clothes and put them in an in folding order.

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Now who would do this? Now think about this and This is
why I brought up that she was a guard.
If she felt threatened, I think she would have fought.
I don't think she would have given in because I don't know of
any guard ex or present that would just give in and fold

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their clothes so that they couldget raped.
I don't think this was the thing.
What I think was because Rose was having a problem with
addiction, with drinking, and that's how she lost her job,
that's how she lost her family, that's how she was homeless
because of this drinking addiction.

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I think that a demon took could possibly have taken over, could
possibly have manipulated her tosacrifice herself to Jean and
that's why she took off her clothes and folded them neatly.
Now in this short amount of timeyou have two murders in this

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little town of Great Falls, Mt that things like this don't
happen. So of course the police are
trying to figure out what's going on.
One of the police investigators calls an informant and asks them
if he had heard anything about this and from what they got as

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far as a description of a vehicle.
Now, let me tell you this. When he killed this woman Rose,
he threw her body into the dumpster and there was blood and
all this stuff. So Gene went home and he was
fine. He says that the voices in his
head stopped. And I'm going to play that for
you now. Each time I stabbed her, the

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voices were turning down. They were getting dimmer and
dimmer, and when I cut her throat, the voices seemed to
disappear out completely. Just like she when she was
deceased. The voices were gone.
But later on the voices told himto go back because he forgot the

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bag and it had his fingerprints on it.
But by the time he he came back,like he said, there was two
people there that were witnessesthat saw him and they told him,
what are you doing? And he said, oh, you know, I'm
looking for my dog. And they said, no, this is a
crime scene. The police are coming and Jean

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goes up to the dumpster and reaches in and they're like,
what are you doing? You're messing up the crime
scene. They go, the police should have
been here already. And so Jean gets kind of scared
and goes back into the van and leaves.
Now the van has these two white doors and it's a blue van.
So that it's very obvious. So this police detective, like I

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said, reached out to an informant who comes back a
couple of days later and says, hey, there is this guy who
drives around in a blue van withwhite doors, and his name is
Gene Meredith. So these people go, the cops go
and they go to Gene's house where he's staying, or they
actually go to his work first. They go to his work, but he
doesn't work there anymore. And they're trying to play catch

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up. And one of the detectives sees
the van and says, I know whose van this is.
It's a picture of the van. He goes, I know whose van this
is. He goes, I've had deals with her
before. And this was Debbie Bailey,
Gene's girlfriend. So they drive over there in a
hurry. By this time, Gene and Debbie

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have already been fighting. And the voices in his head said,
you need to kill her and you need to kill her now.
So Jean goes to the kitchen and grabs a knife and comes back.
Debbie sees it on his face and knows that she's going to die.
She walks out of the trailer home and closes the door and

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sees the police. They're there at the door.
And she says, please don't tell me somebody died last night.
And then at this time, Jean walks out, and he's just.
OK, and happy and smiling. And the police ask him, hey, can

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you come down with us to the Police Department?
And can you, you know, recount for where were you at last
night? So Jean goes in and he starts
doing the interrogate. They start doing the
interrogation with them. Well, then Jean doesn't become

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Jean anymore. What happens is, and this is
this is kind of like one of our things that I'm showing or that
I'm trying to show you about thedemon inside when you get a
chance, like I said, you need tolook at the video.
You need to look at the the showThe killer speaks season 2

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episode 1 when they start talking to Gene in the
interrogation room. Now, it's bits and pieces, but
there's a part where they say that he changes personalities
from Gene to anger. This is the name of the thing

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that's inside of him. The police notice that Gene,
throughout this interrogation, he's turning to his right and
looking and talking to somebody as if somebody's talking to him
in his ear. If you look at the video at this
moment, at that moment, you'll see half of the video turns kind
of blackish and then disappears.OK.

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I don't know if it was a mistakein editing.
I don't know if it was the camera.
I don't know anything. But I never saw that again.
That was the only time that glitch happened was when Jean
was turning from from Jean to anger.
You have to watch it, it's very important.

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So now Jing goes on and talks about his anger, who is inside
of him, and I'm going to play that for you in their
interrogation. Oh, am I talking to?
Am I talking to Gene or him now?It's full of rage.
It's full of anger. Easy, easy.
It's full of Rangers anger. All right.

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OK. OK.
OK. Come on, come on.
OK. What does he tell you to do?
His affect would change that. You knew which person you were
talking to. He would look at you, his eyes
were piercing, his teeth would jut out, tone of his voice and

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flexion would change. Gravelly voiced.
Just evil persona go. Ahead not.
You don't have no. Murder.
You had nothing. You had nothing.
You can't wrap. You know You can't wrap me.
You can't wrap Sandy Black. You don't have nothing.

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You know I want Jean back. No.
I'll give you Jean back when I'mready.
This anger is like a second character inside of Jean that
comes out whenever Jean is feeling scared.

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And this happens a lot of times with people with multiple
personality disorders. Except this one isn't in his
head. This one is speaking to him from
outside. As Gene says, the psychologist
on the show characterizes it as a good personality and bad
personality on your shoulder. And that's what Gene says this

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is. It's a good and bad personality.
Couldn't this be the demon inside?
Gene says that for a long time he's had these demons and are
he's had these voices telling them to do things.

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And here's my problem with the whole thing as well as far as
diagnosing them with something other than demonic possession or
demonic infestation, is that he travels and he gets away from
it. He takes medications, he gets
away from it. He kills this woman and the

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voices stop. As a matter of fact, he says
that they are gone completely. For me, Gene has a demonic
presence and every now and againthis demon will get inside of
him because Gene thinks that this is a different persona that

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is trying to help him and this persona is acting like he's
trying to help him, but he's not.
This is anger, right, Quote UN quote anger.
This is a demon of anger. But yet at the end of the show,

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the lady the the producer asked him, do you still hear the
voices? And he says, yes, I hear the
voices. They're helping me answer these
questions. She says, do you still feel like
killing? He says no, he has no reason to
be angry. Is that because they stopped

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humiliating them? They stopped punishing him?
They stopped? Or is this because the demons
just decided shit, there's nothing we can do anymore?
It was fun using them, but I'm going to move on because
remember, yes, I do believe thathe could hear voices in his head

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or around his head, and he's a mentally disabled person with
schizophrenia. Where you hear voices, where you
see things. When this demon got inside of
him or got near him, it started focusing his attention and

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growing in a certain pattern, which was growing.
Seeing or hearing good and evil.If you're a kid and you have
schizophrenia, you're going to see what you want or what you
know of or what you hear about. So if you see as a kid, let's

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say you see Ronald McDonald in your head, you're going to see
Ronald McDonald. You're going to hear Ronald
McDonald as well as whoever elseit is now with him at 18, he
heard these voices saying, hey, get him, we're doing this for
revenge. This guy disrespected you just
like. And he says Rose, the victim,

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she took his last cigarette at the bar when they went to go
drink. That was why he killed her was
because she took his last cigarette and it showed
disrespect to him, just like hisgirlfriend Debbie, who would
always take his cigarettes. So now I ask you this, OK, Is

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this demon possession? Is it demon infestation or is it
just him being sick and using this as a way to get out?
Me personally, I believe that this demon is there.
Maybe it would get inside of himwhen Gene would let it, maybe it
didn't. I don't know.

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But what I'm saying is that our mind, when we become victims of
something, when we're young, ourminds become fractured as adults
and as an adult, sometimes we cope with things the easiest way
we can. We don't take our efforts to go

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head on. We like other things to solve
our problems. Some of us sometimes use
different names for us to get away with things so that we
could say that wasn't me, that was so and so that was my other
personality. The thing is, they're all Gene.

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And if this demon was talking tohim, remember, he could have
resisted. He resisted when he was 18.
Why couldn't he resist as a grown man of 48 years old to not
kill somebody? He let these things get to him,
and now they're at peace. They should be more violent

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because they're restricted and they're confined.
It doesn't make any sense to me that somebody that is
schizophrenic or schizoeffectivewould have all of a sudden
decided to calm down and be OK when that anger, when that rage

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still be in him. Why would it had calmed down?
And we're talking about prison, guys.
We're talking about guards that disrespect each other,
disrespect the prisoners. We're talking about prisoners
that disrespect each other. And he's not angry anymore about

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it. I think the demon decided I'm
done using you, I'll let you have your sickness, and I'm out
of here. Thanks for listening, guys.
I'll talk to you all next week. Have a good one.
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