What if your LIFE was even more fulfilling than your Dental Business with Eric Roman 0119

Welcome to The Dental Wealth Nation Show with your host, Tim McNeely. In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with special guest Eric Roman, dentist and founder of a successful Dental Service Organization (DSO), to delve into a topic that transcends professional achievements: finding personal fulfillment that matches or surpasses your success in the dental industry.

Eric Roman shares his transformative journey from prioritizing his dental business to discovering a more balanced and fulfilled life. Roman candidly discusses the pervasive lies surrounding work-life balance, the glorification of the hustle, and the often misguided pursuit of business success at the expense of personal relationships and well-being.

Listeners will benefit from this deep dive into the challenges and learnings that come with balancing a demanding dental career with personal happiness. Eric takes us through the valuable insights he gained after facing a lawsuit, financial challenges, and almost going bankrupt. He reveals his approach to starting anew and supporting others in the dentistry field to do the same.

This episode is a goldmine for dentists, dental practice owners, and professionals within the dental industry looking to maximize their net worth while not neglecting their personal life's wealth. Tim McNeely probes the complexities of achieving a fulfilling personal life amidst professional success, bringing to light the importance of mindset, belief in long-term investment, and reevaluating the narratives we tell ourselves about success.

Moreover, Eric Roman introduces the OneLife system, a framework that aims to balance the four critical components of life: happiness, purpose, financial stability, and relationships. He emphasizes the need for self-care, sustainable work-life harmony, and the power of community and accountability.

In a discussion that transcends the dental profession, we tackle the diminishing returns of monetary wealth and question if the relentless pursuit of more money is worth the sacrifice of time and relationships. Eric provides a fresh perspective on finding joy and fulfillment beyond the confines of the business world.

For dentists and dental industry professionals seeking not only to scale their business but to elevate their quality of life, this episode of The Dental Wealth Nation Show is an essential listen.

 

Discussion Questions:

1. How did Eric Roman's personal journey of prioritizing work over family life resonate with you, and have you experienced similar challenges in your own life?
2. What are some of the most common "lies" associated with work-life balance that dental professionals believe, and how can they be addressed?
3. In what ways do you see the hustle and grind culture affecting the dental industry, and what steps can be taken to shift the focus towards more holistic success?
4. Eric Roman spoke about the realization he had from his daughter's perspective. How can dentists ensure they are not sacrificing important family time for the sake of business growth?
5. What are some strategies that dental professionals can use to measure success in their personal lives, as opposed to just their business achievements?
6. After hearing about Eric's turning point during his lawsuit, what do you think about the idea that our greatest challenges can lead to our most significant growth, both personally and professionally?
7. The OneLife system addresses happiness, purpose, financial stability, and relationships. Which of these components do you find most challenging to balance with your professional life, and why?
8. Eric emphasizes the need for accountability and community support in the OneLife system. How can dental professionals actively build and engage with their support communities?
9. How can dental practice owners create an environment that supports both the professional growth and the

Episode Transcript

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As a driven dentist, you see the world differently where some
see scarcity. You see abundance. When others wanna give
up, you keep going. You're building an amazing life
of significance. That means you can't rely on ordinary
advice from ordinary advisers to get to your goals. You want
advice that's going to help maximize your net worth Earth so you can

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take even better care of the people you love, the causes you care
about, and make your dent in the universe.
But the fact is This advice remains hidden because
relatively few professionals are well versed in them, and the extremely
affluent don't care to let to know about them. Join
us as we pull back the curtain to reveal the often

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hidden advice and strategies used by today's is most
successful individuals and families. Welcome
to Dental Wealth Nation. Here's your host, Tim
McNeely.
Welcome, everyone. I am so excited to have you here. And And
I don't know about you, but I spend a lot of time,

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energy, effort on coaches, consultants really working on my business, and And
those resources are abundant, and I know where to turn. But
sometimes in my family life, in my personal life, it's a little
bit harder to know where to go. And that's why I'm so excited
to hear have doctor Eric Roman here with us today because by the time we
finish today, you're gonna know how to move forward in your personal

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life And build a life that is just as fulfilling as your
business. You're gonna have a new way of thinking about what that fulfillment means,
but more importantly, You're gonna have a place to turn when you're ready for help,
when you're ready to build that fulfilling life. And you're gonna leave here
feeling hopeful and encouraged to do the work So that you cannot
just have a fulfilling business, but also a fulfilling life. And when it

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comes to helping business leaders and entrepreneurs do this, I don't
know of anyone better than Eric Roman. Eric is a innovator. He's a
dentist. He's a husband. He's a father. He's built businesses. He's had a lot of
success. He's had a lot of failures. But what I also love about Eric is
he has a passion for helping you take back control of your
personal lives so that you can have that life of fulfillment.

(02:16):
Eric, welcome to the show. What an intro, Tim. I'm still
dancing, buddy. Like, that music hit so hard. It's like
my it's like my soul pulse. So love it.
Excellent. Oh, man. Well, right, we need something to
motivate us to keep us going, and I know music plays a huge part in
in my life. I love it. Right? The the the rhythm of life, so to

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speak. And, but business also has a rhythm too, and and
you've certainly seen that rhythm quite a bit, haven't you? That is the
truth, my friend, and, you know, and still every day today, you
know, new journeys, new experiences.
It was funny. I had when I was, when I was early
in early in my career, but I I there had been a lot of things

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that I had done. Somebody said, you know, Eric, When the rest of us are,
like, drinking, like, in a little thimble out of the
river of life or maybe out of a cup, You drink from like a fire
hydrant. And, and so maybe maybe that's maybe
that's an unexpected trait that has, that has served my,
by many evolutions in business. Yeah. Wow. Well

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and and and for those of you who aren't familiar, right, you you have a
lot of experience as a as a dentist, as a DSO founder, as
a as a CEO. And and now you're really focused on
on Prioritizing work, life balance. Right? Finding that fulfillment, not just in
business, but also in our our personal lives. And so talk Talk us
through and take me through a little bit of your background for those of us

(03:43):
who aren't familiar with with what you've done and and how you've ended up doing
what you're doing right now. Well, I assume most aren't familiar. That's
okay. I like it. So let's go on the journey. I
I am a dentist. I graduated dental school in,
2007, University of North Carolina Chapel Hill. Yeah. And,
I was ready To do something, but I

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didn't quite know what. And so I delayed for a year. Did a VA based
residency. That was awesome. Serving
Serving our veterans was actually a really cool experience for me. It was like
my intrinsic service. There was a part of me that always wanted to join the
military, And my wife was just like, I wanna
control where we live. So so the VA was my intrinsic

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service, and I
jumped out of that into Dental DSO building
mode. I started with an associate
From from day 0, added our next associate before
the end of 1st year, did almost 2,000,000 in revenue the 1st year.
In the 2nd year, built another location, grew the first one to

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to 5 dentists, and then, then built a second one
and then a third one. And, inside of my 1st,
like, 4 years as a dentist, I had built, 3 Nation,
and we were doing, We were doing, like, $13,000,000 in
revenue, like, really quickly, but it was also a
hot mess. You know? And A lot of things that I didn't

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know, a lot of hubris. Let's be honest, Tim. I probably got lucky in
a lot of things. There might have been some there might have been some things
that I did well, but there were a lot of things I did wrong. And,
1 mistake come came back to bite me in the butt.
I had I had signed an agreement with,

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with another company, and that ended
up violating the Dental Practice Act in the state of North
Carolina. And I ended up in a 2 year lawsuit and
lost everything. And so that sucked,
Which, again, probably some of that hubris. You know?
So yeah. How about that for how about that for round 1? Right.

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How how do you get back up from that? I mean, a lot of times,
that's just that beats you up, and and you say, why am I doing this?
You know, maybe it was because I was young, maybe because I was dumb.
I had the thought, like, am I I remember There was a point I
forget what year it was. It was probably 20 it's
probably 2012 2011 or 2012. It

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was in national newspapers. So, like, people were sharing articles
from the San Francisco Chronicle about, like, this lawsuit,
And, my name was in it. And, I remember,
like, I if it's any sign of how well things were going at home at
that time, I was not sleeping in my own bed. And I was sleeping in
the guest room, and I remember, like, lying in the guest room the

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night that all the news hit, that like, the local newspaper, the national
ones. And, I remember, like, just crying on my pillow,
like, sobbing and sitting there and thinking, like, what am I gonna do? Where do
I go from here? You know? Like, what's what's next?
And, I just made a choice though, Tim. Like, that's all
that it was. I wasn't, a, going to allow that

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to be my story. My story wasn't going to end right there. I
I mean, I was just a kid. You know? And,
and so I just made the choice that I was gonna use this for good
And then I was gonna let this be an incredible experience for me. And,
and so out of the the ashes rose a phoenix.
Over the next 5 years, I started from scratch. I did

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everything that I could to support all my existing doctors and my
team As many as I could support in starting something new, we did.
And, over 5 years, we grew a new company, a new DSO from
0 to about $30,000,000 in revenue, and,
I screwed up a whole bunch of new things in that journey. I,

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you know, in Out of a desire to look nothing
like the the failures of the first one, I threw out some of the baby
with the bathwater. I threw out some of the things that we really did well
in trying to now please people and look different, and, that
was a hard lesson. I I almost went bankrupt 3 times in the 2nd journey.

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Most were my fault. Some were mother nature. We had got hit by 3
hurricanes in a row or a tropical storm and 2 hurricanes and shut us down
forever. So, but that
2nd journey was very different. You know? We definitely had
learned from a lot of those first mistakes. And, during
that 2nd phase, I transitioned from, you know, being a dentist and being

(08:30):
a clinical director and from hiring and training great associates to being a
full time CEO. And, you know what
what's cool about a journey like that, Tim? You know, we had I think we
had about 260 or 270 employees At the peak when I
decided it was time for me to move on. And, what was cool about the
journey is, like, a lot of things in life, The journey

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that we take forces us to become someone that we aren't. And I remember
in my early stages, the last thing I wanted to do was
to Nurture people, like, to manage the last
I I didn't even have any idea how. And later on now,
you know, maybe 8 years down the road, I recognize that the only way
for our our company to continue to grow is for me to give almost a

(09:14):
100% of my energy to developing and growing and loving on other people.
And so, I recognize, like, maybe the
story, Tim, the macro story as we step back is that, You
know, when when we're trying to grow, we're put in situations where we have to
change our nature, change the the maybe the things that got us to where
we are today, and to incorporate some new skills to get us to where we

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wanted to go tomorrow. And that's probably a cycle that I have run
over and over and over again. I'm actually running it again right now. And
every time I think the cycle kind of pisses me off, it's like, why do
I have to change? Why can't I just keep doing and every Tim, you always
have that thought. What if I just gave up on the growth
goals and just chilled out and just did what I'm doing right now? And I

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think for those of us that like our perpetual growers inside, it's just not acceptable.
Like, that just wasn't an option. So, so that
was phase 2 of the journey, Tim, and it was a lot of fun.
Wow. Now, Ray, what what's going on in your personal
life during those times? Right? Who are the the people you're going through to
support? You know, I know I bring business home sometimes, and I you know,

(10:19):
I've had to learn how to cut myself off and and set time limits with
with what I'm talking about with my wife. I'm like, alright. I need just a
couple minutes. Give me 3 minutes just to complain about the day, and then I
won't say anything else. But but, right, you know, I I need that support of
people around me to help me make it through those tough times or and,
you know, in the past, I I've dealt with, you know, too much drinking or
or other things. So so how are you coping with a lot of these struggles

(10:43):
that you were going through at the time? You know, along that
journey, 5 kids showed up.
And Nothing bad any stress at all, did it? Gee
whiz. None. You know, but you know what I did, Tim,
is I I didn't I didn't, like, I didn't go to
alcohol or something else. I just abdicated responsibility.

(11:05):
I pretty much, you know what? Being
at home was highly not validating. Crying
kids and, like, a wife that's stressed out that I'm not
providing any support to other than putting money in the bank account realistically.
I woke up most days before my kids and my wife, and I came home
most days, honestly, when they were already in bed or, like, shutting down.

(11:27):
That wasn't how I wanted things to be, but there was this Story that I
kept telling, like, but don't you guys understand I'm doing it for you? Mhmm. I
remember there would be those days when it was, when it was 8 o'clock, 8
PM, And my wife had just given me,
a well deserved, like, tongue lashing that week about how I'm never home and I'm
never there to help out. And, and that patient

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walks in, you know, like, at the root canal build up crowns, $3,000.
And I remember making that phone call to my wife And Mike saying, hey, honey.
I know you really Wealth me to come home right now, and I'm really content
to do so. I just need you to know, like, I have a patient here
that's willing to do $3,000 worth of treatment, and it would just
mean it's gonna be a couple more hours. And you know what? That was unfair.

(12:09):
It was unfair for me to do that because, Like, I was asking
her to make the same diluted decision. Well, you know, after
all these years we spent with no money whatsoever, like, we might as well
We might as well serve money. Like, money became our god. Like
and, and so what I did is I told my family, I'm
doing this for you so that we can have a day when we'll have more

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time together because of all these resources we'll have. They never asked me for that,
FYI. My my family never said, daddy, can you give us more resources more
money and bigger houses that they never asked for it, not once.
And, but we had decided that that was gonna be the journey we're on.
And my wife and I, do Do you know what happened? We were in collusion.
Like, we were in collusion to destroy our family. That even though

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she wanted nothing more than my support and for me to be home and to
be a great dad, we were in collusion because she
was she fell for it just the same way I did, and it's what our
world feeds us. You know? Like, more We're miserable right
now, but look at all the value that I'm building. Look at how big this
company is. Right? Look at all the earthly rewards that we now

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have, And, all that it's cost us is the youth of our
children and our sanity. So, I'm not proud
of those years. I wasn't as present as I wanted to
be, and my wife, like, my wife shouldn't have stuck by me the way
that she did. I did I feel like I did everything I could to try
and destroy my family. Mhmm. And I did it,

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under the guise of validating my business life. Look at how big my
company is. Look at how many employees we have and how many dentists we
have and how many look at how many patients we serve every year. Look at
how much we've changed the fabric of dentistry in our region.
Look at how we forced everybody else to change the way that they behave and
that they market and that they grow. It was

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valid and and it you know what? I wasn't just
building a company. I was also building my ego. On the weekends
when I could have been home with my family, I wasn't. I was traveling around
the country and speaking on stage and taking on consulting gigs, you know, because everybody
is saying, oh, Eric, this is so cool. And,
and it's like, oh, Eric, this is so cool, or screaming

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kids and, like, non validating life. You know, go stand on
stage and stay in nice hotels and have wonderful meals on the weekend
or, like, change diapers. And,
so I am not proud of the choices that I made, but they were the
choices that I made. The good news is, I guess for
better or for worse, those those choices eventually came back to bite me and

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break me. Wow. Well, thank you for for sharing that. Right?
So personal, Personal, but but it's also a journey I think a lot of us
have have been on. And so so I appreciate that that authenticity and
and vulnerability there. And And and, you know, and you touched on those
lies that that you were telling yourself. Right? You were measuring some good metrics.
Right? Like impact on patients, those are good things to to measure,

(15:05):
But not necessarily at the impact and the cost of of other
things. And so, you know, in your work now, you talk about kind of
uncovering some of those lies in work life balance that that we often
believe. Can you elaborate on some of those work life balance Thrive that that we
as professionals often buy into? Yeah. Sure. You know?
Well, let let's just look at my journey. Why was I stuck where I was

(15:28):
stuck? So the first lie the
first lie that society wanted to support, my business partners wanted
to support, everybody did, if I
rebalance my life and I, quote, give more to
my family and change things, Inevitably, it's going to
damage my business. We're not gonna make as much money.

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Why would one of my business partners want me to do that?
Why would one of my business partners if the lie was true, right, and if
I, by rebalancing my life, was, was gonna take away from
their income, That's not a good idea. So that's one of the
lies. And, and, you know, so so
summarizing the lie, To be to be what you might wanna be inside

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your home, you have to give up something inside your business. That's the lie.
Right? That's lie number 1. And,
Then there's the then there's the exact opposite of that. We all have business
goals, and so there's the opposite lie. In order to have what you want in
your business, You must give up something in your life.
That's mean that's a brutal lie inside of itself. Right? Like,

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it grays upon What that essentially means, the the
essence of that lies, you can't have the business you want if you don't
sacrifice inside your personal life. And there's a lot of people. Like, how many
how much stuff do we see on the Internet right now, like, supporting that?
It's a lie. It's a choice. It's an option. Can you

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have great success by sacrificing your personal life? Heck
yes. You know, you you can absolutely if you want to
not be present for your do look at Elon Musk. Right? Like,
we all hear the stories about, like, Elon's, like, Rough home life
or his absence, the fact that he sleeps at his office most nights, and,
look at how much he's accomplished. We're validating the lies by doing stuff like

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that. So, Yeah. The the marketplace
rewards it in a sense. It does. Yeah. You know, we what do we glorify?
We glorify Hustle, grind, like, put in all that like
like, crush your personal life. You'll you'll have time for that stuff
in the future. Here's what I learned. Like,
I never got back the days that I missed with my family.

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You never get it back, Not a single one of them.
You can't make up for a day that you've missed with another day
downstream, and there's an even bigger lie inside of it.
If if so what we're really saying is who do you what
are you serving most? What is your priority? Let's be honest.
If we were to measure our primary application of energy, the

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vast majority of our best energy goes to our business. Right? Like, we're
not lying. We all know it's the truth. And so what you're
saying is, well, here's the deal. I'm gonna give all my
best energy. I'm gonna create a pattern and a habit and a lifestyle
style of focusing everything in this space,
but then later on, I'm gonna turn it off and all of a sudden go

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give my energy to my family and my That's really logical.
Totally makes sense in in in one, babe, but it's another
fallacy in the other. Like, How do you think you're gonna turn
off something you've been doing for 25, 30, 35 years
and go shift and change directions to something totally different?
No. Professional lives are

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supremely validating in every way, and
It's really easy to get rid of the pains there. Personal lives aren't validating.
My kids, like, when they're doing stupid stuff, they're devalidating. You
know, marriages aren't super validating. How do you keep score
that things are working in your marriage? How do you keep score in your business?
How do you see your revenue, right, or whatever is going on? How do you

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keep score in your marriage or with your kids? Like, none of it. The scores
are easier to keep in the business world. Right? You you you almost
Yeah. Right? You can stay late and you can do that crown, and you got
the extra $3 in your account. It's like you can see that and measure it.
I won I won $3 in my business mind, and
I paid an even bigger price at home. But my wife and I, because we

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could both see the $3,000, it was Tangible. It was obvious.
And yet what we did is we grew further apart, and we had to then
spend a decade trying to rebuild our marriage. You know? So, You know
that, like, those are 3 really big lies, 3 really big
lies and fallacies that we fall into. And, you know, a lot of
people are thinking right now when they hear this too, they're like, like,

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I might be okay with those lies. You know? I might be okay with that.
But At the end of the day, you know, one thing that
one thing that started to hit home with me along the journey like, I was
as I was waking up, I I recognized I was making a
choice. I recognized that, like, I had some kids where I missed all the
plays. I missed all the events. I missed all the things because I was working

(20:20):
and hustling. And I wasn't ever gonna my oldest
daughter, I was never gonna get those days back. Like, she had already passed through
that phase. She was on to new things. And, and she and
it was actually her 9th birthday. You Nation? And I I say I was an
absentee father, but I still did my best. I made the most of the little
time that I have with my kids, and so I would do I started

(20:41):
building in, like, meetings, 1 on ones and check ins with my kids. And I
remember on my oldest daughter's 9th birthday, she said,
dad, I asked her, How am I doing as your
dad? What do you need more of? What do you need less of? And she
said, dad, I love you. I'm closer to mom, but I feel like I'm more
like you, And I'm getting to a point in my life where I need more

(21:02):
of you. Mhmm. And you work so hard. You're at
home a whole lot, and you tell us, and I love that you're doing it
For us to have more memories together in the future, but
I'm 9, and in 9 more years, I won't even live in our house anymore.
I'll be out of the house. So when are we actually gonna make the memories?

(21:23):
Holy crap. She nailed the whole thing. She nailed the whole thing
because when you miss all those, Your kids move we we our our
duty is to get our kids out of our houses. Right? So
when we're sacrificing all that Time and all this stuff and not
being present as parents for a future day when we have
more time, it's not gonna be me having time with them That they're off

(21:45):
somewhere else. She nailed it. She's like, dad, if we don't spend time together
now, when are we gonna have better better better time together? She's
she's she was right. I was lying to myself. And that was my, like,
critical moment, Tim, where I said, I'm
I'm not. I say that my time and my energy with my
family is more important than my business, but my actions say

(22:07):
something totally different. And so how do I now rectify
it? You know? So end of phase 2.
Yeah. Wow. Alright. And and it's easy to to measure the things
we value. Take a look at your calendar and your your bank account. That will
tell you what you truly value. How do you spend your time? How do you
spend your money? It's it's all there in in black and white for you to

(22:29):
to look at. And so so how do you start Start making that shift. Let
let's say you do find yourself in that position where, you know, like, this
just isn't working. I I am. I'm I'm doing the hustle. I'm doing the Thrive,
and, like, The business stuff is working, but but I know I'm neglecting the
the relationships that matter and the the people that matter and the causes that
I really care about. How do you start changing that?

(22:51):
Well, I can tell you how to do it wrong. Let me tell you how
to do it wrong. You know, I've been I've been in this
space now for, I don't know, 7 years. And I've met,
I have met in mastermind groups, a lot of entrepreneurs who have been in the
exact same journey. It's so funny because, like, when you find
it's almost like it's a phase of entrepreneurship for a lot of entrepreneurs.

(23:13):
They build, Then they realized they failed inside of their build, and they missed
something, and now they have to, like, figure out the new thing. And and so
where I was, I believed I was trapped.
There was no way that I could stay in the business that I was
in and still Figure out a way to honor my
family the way that I wanted to. I believe I was in a trap, and

(23:33):
there was only one way out, and this is what a lot of us come
to, and we have to exit it. We have to get rid of the thing.
We have to hit control, alt, delete. We have to do all that stuff. And
so that's what I did. I told my my partners. You know, they weren't
really excited about it and but we figured out a way, and it was a
2 year process for me to get out of it. And, so I
exited, And it didn't solve

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crap. You know, now now what
now what I had is I had an unlimited amount of free time,
And I had some money in my bank account, but I still didn't have a
relationship with any of the people in my family, and I didn't know how
to. See, that was the whole problem the entire time, Tim.
We're whenever we whenever we

(24:18):
have something that's not working in our personal life, We try to solve it with
our business life. I feel like I need more time with my family, so
if I make twice as much money next year, then I'll spend time with my
family. No. It doesn't work that way. Then you make I I actually helped
entrepreneurs do this for years. They would double their income, then they'd be like, I
think I need to double my income again, then I'll be happy and have more

(24:38):
time. Nope. It's this hamster wheel cycle that we just
continue going through over and over again. You can't solve
issues in your personal life with solutions in your
business. It just doesn't work. And the truth is,
where does somebody show us How to have great,
incredible experiences in our personal life systematically?

(25:02):
How where is the system that says, Oh, this is
how to experience personal joy. This is how you have great
relationships with your partners, with your friends, with your With your
children, this is, this is how you build great
financial health. I know a guy that talks about that. This is how you live
a life of purpose. Right? There's no rules for that, but there are consultants to

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help us build bigger businesses. Like and so
that was the problem that I ran into, and that was like my That was
my journey. We solved for it by getting out of the business. It didn't work,
and so now I had to sit there and say, what do I do?
Buying a counselor, we tried that. That
didn't help. You know? It was very slow, not systematic. I mean, it helped

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I'm not saying counseling is bad. It just wasn't the solution that I was looking
for because, it was high energy. Right? It was high
emotion, And it was something that, like, I had to keep going back to every
single week. You know? I needed something that fit into my life and that was
lower energy and yet, Like, provided a sustainable solution
for me. So, yeah, that was and and, Tim,

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if I had a dollar for every Other entrepreneur that I've run into now that
experienced the same thing. That was like, hey. I wasn't happy. I
was building the business. I tried a bunch of things to make the business bigger,
and it was bigger, and now I I wasn't happy, so I exited the business
looking for happiness, and I just found that I actually was less happy, and I
kinda wish I had the business Yeah. I I I've got a dollar here to

(26:29):
give you for that because, right, I I've gone through that too, you know, in
the last, you know, couple years myself, where, right, you reach a certain level
of growth and you realize things just working the way you want Nation you realize,
like, you know, you you've built up enough wealth where you realize I don't
have to do this anymore, so I'm just gonna get out. And and we
do. We we we, you know, we really try to solve those personal problems

(26:51):
through our business, and sometimes we try to solve it by exiting the business.
Nation if you do that, you Tim got all the same problems, just
no business. Which is a new problem and actually a bigger
problem. So I want you to think about what that means. The one constant
that I'd had in my life, the one thing that provided my
validation, let's be Dentist, it was my only identity. Who

(27:13):
was Eric Roman absent being the founder
and CEO and the dentist? I had no freaking
idea. Tim and, like, I had been
living my life in a weird way following everybody else's notions.
What I thought my parents wanted me to be. What I I could hear my
dad's voice, my mom's voice, my grandfather's voice. And then I could hear

(27:35):
the voices of my instructors and of society and of the books and
all the people that are telling me, If you build a big business, then you'll
be happy. Like and and from the outside, everybody's like, oh, this is
great. And on the inside, I feel like this sucks.
So when I let go of my business, I lost my identity.
I lost the one thing that was giving me positive validation,

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and I still had Every single one of the problems
between me and my family, and and and I was absent the joy
that I thought I was pursuing. That sucked. Yeah. Yeah. From bad
to worse. Sucker. Yeah. And right. So
so how do we start working on these things because is there
a systematic way to do it? Because, you know, as entrepreneurs, a lot of times,

(28:20):
we just kinda jump off the cliff. We build our wings on the way down,
and And everything just kinda works out because that that's who we are as
entrepreneurs. Right? We're risk takers. We're we're innovators, but we're not
necessarily always good at At asking for advice and bringing in the the
right people to solve those problems, we try to solve it all ourselves, and
sometimes we have to learn the hard way. So so is there a way to

(28:41):
actually start Learning these lessons without having to make all the mistakes?
Well, I'd like to say there is now, Tim. You know, my journey in
business like, my journey in business wasn't linear. I ran into points along the way
where I was ready to give up multiple times. And in one of those
inflection points, I was
introduced to EOS, the book Traction by Gina Wickman, the entrepreneurial

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operating system. A lot of people are really big fans of EOS or
other similar operating systems like scaling up. And the long story
short, what those operating systems did is they moved businesses from
a position of chaos to a position of clarity, provides rules and
structure. 1st, we do this. Have you done it? No. Like, didn't do
this. Then we're gonna do this, then we're gonna do this. And it provides not

(29:24):
just A structure, but also then rhythms. Rhythms where we come back
to these important questions on a on a regular sequence, and we start to build
Momentum into the equation. Like, okay. Like, let's focus on the right
things, focusing. It was transformational for my business.
Actually, I built other businesses using those Those those things as time's going
on. And, and there's, like I mean, there's there's tens of thousands of people

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that have had similar positive experiences. What I realized in that moment, I
was like, okay. When my business was, like, dead
like my family is right now, an operating system To give me
rules and to give me rhythms was what I needed. Where's
the operating system for my family? Where's the, like or or for me, for
my personal life. Right? Where's the operating system for what's inside of me so I

(30:10):
can see my own identity and become the man that I've wanted to be forever?
And, And there wasn't one. And so,
part of my journey from that point forward for the next years was
building my own, was building an operating system inside of my
family to and testing stuff to get the results that we wanna
get. And, And then building and then I

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realized after I built my family one that there was still something missing. My
kids needed an operating system for them as individuals, and I needed one for Me
as a human, my wife needs one. And so that was really the journey
that we went on. And like anything in our lives, like, we're so
busy. We need something to be effective and efficient.
We don't need like, I don't need another 28 hour course on, like, how to

(30:55):
do this. I don't need to fly to Timbuktu, and,
like, I need I need the answers, and I need them now.
And so That was actually the origin and the birth of 1
Life. Our 1 Life system is the
first, like, all encompassing operating system from
us as individuals, and and it spreads to us in our

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our our marriages or partnerships, and it spreads then from there to
our families. And, it's almost like
it's like our source code, Tim. It's like starting from the place that
matters most. You know? I talk about how We applied our best energy
to our businesses. Oh, and then we're like, crap. I needed to give some energy
to my family, but I didn't have any left. So we go to a 125.

(31:40):
We're like, okay. I'm giving my family my Tim, and I'm gonna grind. You know?
And then there's this other spot where we're like, oh, by the way, should I
take care of myself and give myself a little energy? Like, Screw this guy.
He can rest when he's Dental, and that's how we operate our lives. Is that
you? Is that like anybody listening right now? Are you giving all your best energy,
all your time to your business, Giving over time, that little bit to your

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family, and then not giving yourself anything, that's most of us on the journey
of life. That that almost, That's like Earth's
that's like Earth's plan for you. Like, here's what our society
dictates. Go do this. And what we built was we took
that pyramid, and we flipped it. And we said, listen. Like
and it doesn't seem logical because the first thing people are thinking, wait. If you

(32:24):
flip that pyramid, how is my business gonna get as much as I but but
it's a paradox. The paradox is when you you don't
need a whole lot to nourish your soul. Like, you don't need a whole lot
to nourish your energy, but what would it feel like, and how different would you
be if you were actually fed And you were well
cared for. And from the overflow and abundance of your energy now,

(32:45):
you gave from an abundance to your family. And guess what? They don't need that
much time. They don't need a whole lot. And then from the abundance and
the overflow of energy from them, then you gave to your
business. And what entrepreneurs tell us Tim, Even
even entry level team members, they tell us time and time and time again, it's
weird. When I reverse the order of operations, I had more energy to

(33:07):
give in my professional life every single time. And along
the way, I'm fulfilled. My family's fulfilled.
Oh, yeah. And my business is getting more. Golly. That's a great
recipe. Yeah. Right. It reminds me a lot of being on
a an airplane, and the The cabin loses pressure. You gotta
put the oxygen mask on yourself first because you gotta do

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that self care so that you can serve everyone else around you.
And and as entrepreneurs, so often, we're so busy serving and giving
and growing that we forget to take care of ourselves. Dig
into that for just another moment because you nailed it. That's the analogy we give
all the time with it. People are so resistant. You know, awesome
Awesome, guy, high level VIP in a in a in a dental company here in

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Utah in Utah. And, he said the same thing. He's like, I feel
like I can't give to myself. Like, I feel like it's gonna cost
me something elsewhere and that it's not reasonable. And we
talked about the thing with the oxygen. And you know what the interesting thing
is with the oxygen? Do you know the other reason they do that? It's because
nobody die it doesn't take long for you to put the mask

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on yourself. Mhmm. Nobody ever dies
in the, like, 2.3 seconds that it took you to put
on the oxygen mask for yourself first, But a lot of
people died when they tested it, and you were putting on
helping somebody over here and then helping somebody over there, and then you went
hypoxic and passed out in the time before

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it took you to get to your own. So it was a it's like this
really weird comparison that works so well
When you get all that they did in that is they got the order
of operations right. And when the order of operations was right, nobody
died. Yeah. Right. You you actually you flourish, and you can save lives
and continue to have that impact. It's so true. And the the other

(34:59):
analogy I I often use, and I discovered myself, You know, this
about myself is is, you know, really working on building
resilience and that ability to keep going. And there's a major
difference between camel and horses. If you're crossing the desert on a
horse, that horse is gonna give you some Clues that it's wearing out, and it's
gonna start slowing down, and that that horse is gonna be like, hey. I need

(35:21):
some water. I'm not moving as quickly anymore. And you're gonna know that that
horse is needs some care. A camel, on the other hand, is gonna keep
going and going and going, and then it's just gonna drop
dead. Dude, just a side note, my family freaking
loves camels. We did a we did a month in the Middle East last
year. Nice. And we rode and saw camels at every corner,

(35:43):
and, like, camel sound all all up. They're
just The absolute coolest animals. Yeah. But you're right. They give
of themselves, and then they just drop. Dead. Yeah. And I
think, once again, we as entrepreneurs Very much like that. Right? We
don't take that time, and then all of a sudden, everything
cracks because we didn't take that time for self care. And

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right? And and, you know, I know Why? Great point, Tim. Yeah. Why? So
so if you're listening right Nation somebody's sitting there and they're saying, yeah. Yeah. You
know, that's me. I don't I don't take time Thrive for self care or I
work out one day a week or whatever else, you know, or whatever it might
be. Why? What is? Ask yourself that question.
What's the story that you're telling yourself about

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why you don't deserve the self care or it should be at the bottom of
the totem pole, right, the bottom of the order of Nation, And
really sit in that and ask that question. Like,
is it just something I believe? Is it actual hard
physical truth, Or is it something that
I just don't have any other example or any other

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way to solve for it? Nobody's shown me any other way.
Again, like, society's rules say that's what you
do. Is that what you've been listening to? You know? No.
I don't know. Yeah. Right. As I sit with it, I I I know some
of the things right? It comes down to what do we really believe.

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Mhmm. And and and I know that's the battle I fight is I have
To work myself up and say, no. This actually is valuable. This
is worth doing, like pausing before the day starts, taking some time to
journal, taking some time. Like, that actually matters. Even though I'm not
seeing the results right here, right now, I can't measure it right here in this
moment. It actually is a long term investment, But

(37:32):
you've gotta get in that mindset, and you've gotta retrain your mind to
actually believe that thing is true because I don't think a lot of us
truly believe it's True. If we did, we'd be doing it. Totally.
You're absolutely right, Tim. And, I think that I
think that we're hitting the nail on the head there. Maybe people have some other
stories that they've themselves. Maybe they have some examples. Maybe

(37:52):
we're, you know, a lot of us are trying to prove somebody wrong in life,
you know, or prove somebody right, whatever it might be. But,
end of the day end of the day, we've swallowed a story hook, line, and
sinker. Mhmm. And, you and I are saying right now,
we both think it's a lie. Like, we don't think that story is true. My
hope today is maybe some other people will sit there and say, okay. I don't

(38:15):
want that story to be true anymore. If there's another way, show me what it
is. You know? Yeah. Absolutely. Nation so when you start working
with with people and and taking them through this this one life system, what does
that look like? Right? Where do you even start with all of this? Do you
know do you know what we do, Tim? Like, you gotta have a really low
barrier to entry with stuff like this. Like, first off,

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not everybody in the world is the right audience for something like this.
We have to really want it. And so, you know, what we do is we
just get together for 2 days, and we build in a lot we build a
lot of value. As much of this is about building
a community as it is about building your pathway for your
future, you know, for a future that's different than your past. And,

(38:56):
how good might it feel to surround yourself with people that are also
no longer following those same lies? You know, that are like, okay. Crap.
I've decided I'm not gonna live by those lies anymore. I'm gonna live
I'm gonna live in the truth of the fact that I can take care of
me, and I can take care of the people that And I can still have
a freaking amazing business and maybe even give more to it and get further and

(39:17):
farther than I ever thought possible. That's actually Secret question,
Tim. Is it possible that the rate limiter in your business is
actually the fact that you're burning so hard and you aren't giving what you need
to yourself, and you aren't giving what you need to the people you love. Pause.
We'll go back out of that. So, what we do is we just
do a 2 day event, A 2 day event where we really work through we

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have a lot of cool frameworks that are really simple for people to work Thrive.
Cool frameworks that allow us to look What really? Here's
a question. What are the components of you being happy and
joyful inside of your life? Interesting question. If our society
knew as a whole, we wouldn't be nearly as miserable or as lonely as we
are right now. So, clearly, we don't know the answer. I'd like to believe I

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know the answer. And so we walk people through some of these Frameworks that allow
you to look at the other pieces of your life. See, when the critical
pieces the 4 critical pieces of your life, when they're being
Your needs are being met and you're being cared for there, turns
out you're typically pretty freaking happy. Like, you're in a great place. You
know, when you're living and doing something of purpose, when your when your

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financial needs are met, when your body and your mind are in great shape and
you have incredible relationships, Things are really freaking
cooking. It's really hard to screw things up if those are all working.
But when we take our eye off the prize and when we stop focusing on
those areas, guess what happens? Nation of them starts to break, and I learned in
my life that whenever one thing inside my life broke, it was like the beginning.

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Everything broke right after You know, when my body broke because I wasn't caring for
it, all of a sudden I'm yelling at my wife. You know? When, or
when things are really hard at home, in in some of my relationships,
I all of a sudden, I'm not giving time to the other things that need
me. So the there's power in, a, understanding
The components of our lives, b, what energy

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we wanna give to those components, and what things that we can do that fit
into our life to help us make progress. And then and
then the next thing is, like, moving from creating a vision for who I wanna
be and how I wanna live to turning it into a velocity of how I
get there. And, we have some really easy and really simple
tools to turn it into velocity. You know? I guess another

(41:27):
like, at the end of the day, The only expense of our
system is that you take more or less of one day every 90
for yourself. Can you cut your quarter down from 90 days to
89? Give that one day to yourself every quarter
knowing that this is the fuel that's gonna get you to where you wanna go
help you live with harmony in your life. Like, what a small price to

(41:49):
pay. You know? One day one day of every 90, you commit to yourself,
And the outcomes are extraordinary and
sustainable. That's actually the cooler part is that
What the system really provides, Tim, is it provides a sustainable life.
It doesn't mean your life is gonna be, like, Always great,

(42:09):
but you're going to have tools to keep yourself on target and
moving in the right Nation. When the crap comes in, you're gonna have people, a
community to share it with, A community of like minded
individuals that aren't gonna let you fail and aren't gonna leave
you alone. I mean, it's that Power of accountability that moves the
needle for so many of us. I'm lazy, dude. So I don't even know how

(42:31):
in the world I've built 9 businesses and, like, done anything in
life. Because and my parents told me all the time when I was a kid.
They were like, you are so lazy. You're Nation and
I learned how to turn laziness into efficiency. I learned how to trick
myself into success. I learned that I needed accountability. I need a
VA who every day is like, Eric, you didn't get that done for me yesterday,

(42:54):
and you promised me. You're going to get it done today before you do anything
else, and I'm gonna start pulling things out of your calendar until you do. Got
it. Okay. You know? I had to learn. You learn pretty
quickly that way, don't you? Darn right you do. And, and you know
what? I was becoming the person I wanted
to be. That was it. You know? Yeah. I mean, call it a

(43:15):
trick. It's fine. I'm all up for that. You know? So,
long story short, that's what our OneLife system creates. It's low
touch. You show up for a 2 day event. You decide whether it's for you
or not. And then after that, if you if you choose to do so,
it's like one day of every 90, you commit the energy to just
Checking in and making a slight adjustment and seeing where you are

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because sometimes we're in a really crappy place, and we need people
to hear us out And to hold space for us and to hold space for
the energy that's inside, sometimes we're in a great place, and we have a lot
of energy to give to other people and to help them on their journeys. It's
kinda cool the way the balance works. I I love that. And and, you know,
as you were talking about all this, there there's also another little, you know, almost

(43:58):
ironic part in this too. Right? As As dentists and as
entrepreneurs, our incomes are are pretty strong, and and I bring
that up because they've done studies In terms of how much money do you
actually require to be happy? Yeah. And that number is surprisingly low. It's
about $120 a year. So So let let's up it for all of us to
$200 a year. Right? Beyond that, it's diminishing

(44:20):
returns. And so, you know, at 200,000, you can get a house. You can
provide for your kids. You can eat out and take vacations. So,
like, the money piece, as hard as we grind and we work on
that, we Struggle for more. The truth is we probably already
have everything we need for that piece to be fulfilled.
And so why are we killing all the relationships in our lives to To make

(44:41):
a little bit more money. You know what's interesting is, like, my
my adage is that once you reach that point where you have enough money,
Then it becomes an intrinsic journey of
accepting the next phase of happiness. Like, I mean, yeah. Like, it's really hard to
be happy when you don't have food in your, like your tummy. But
once we reach that point, then, the problem is that we were

(45:04):
trained up to there. Well, I'm gonna Happy when I have more money, so now
I'm not happy, so I need more money. It's almost like this tipping point where
we should, like, pause it and say, okay. Time out, little fella.
Like, you think you need more money now. No. This is time for you to
go on the new journey, the intrinsic journey of finding happiness within yourself
And learning how to create healthy relationships and a healthy life,

(45:25):
then once you once you have arrived at that, Then
we'll let you make more money again because then that money has a different
value. Yes. Then that money is used in a different way. It's
used to create more. It's used perpetuate more. It's
used honestly for society and for others so much more. Mhmm. And
oddly enough, the people that I know that get this right, A lot

(45:46):
of them have almost like an immeasurable ability to
build wealth. It's because they don't need it for their happiness anymore.
It's because they've disconnected it from it, and it's now a tool that they're
using for other types of impact and other types of things. So,
Yeah. You're, it's so true. I teach that all the time as
well. You know? And it's interesting. You look at different studies and you get different

(46:08):
numbers, but they all say the same point. You reach a point of diminishing
returns. Nation you know who got it right? You know who nailed this? P.
Diddy. P. Diddy nailed it. He said, mo money, mo problems.
Right? And, I mean, he was so right with it. I
am at my wife says to me all the Tim. You know? She
says, you know, Do you remember those early years, like, when you

(46:30):
were just out of school and in residency, and we thought that, like, the $35,000
a year we're getting was, like, gold? Like, we were living like
Kings said those were, in a lot of
ways, our most fun years because there was a
simplicity to life that was lost as we made more
money and bigger houses and more cars, more mouths to feed, more

(46:52):
things to do. Like, Things got really complicated. I took
a vacation just this month that cost more than I made in my early career.
Right? Like, things get complicated. There's a lot of moving parts.
So, interesting the way that it works, Tim. Mo'
money, mo' problems. It's so so True. And,
yeah, we we really are blessed. And and and we have to find the right

(47:14):
KPIs, right, the right key performance indicators to measure.
Because I think as our success grows, the wrong KPI
is how much money is in the bank account. That problem that one Probably shouldn't
be measured as much. You certainly wanna pay attention to it, but I think there's
other more important ones to look at. Tim, that's one of the focuses
This is of our prob of our program is that we help people to identify

(47:37):
the right KPIs, just a simple few that are gonna get
them it it it's one thing to have a KPI. This is the business man
of me speaking. It's one thing to have a KPI and hit your target with
it. But did it turn into what you needed it to turn into in your
company? So I'll say it a different way. It's one thing to have a KPI.
It's one another thing to hit it. But did you get the result that you

(47:58):
wanted, or do you just pat yourself on the back and say, I hit my
KPI? Yeah. And, you know, so the right thing is what is
the leading KPI? What are the leading KPIs, the things that I can
measure and do on a daily basis that are gonna assure the outcomes I get?
Things like I've learned date nights. Oh, I thought it was date nights
with my wife. No. It was date nights where I asked certain questions.

(48:20):
Mhmm. That's how I got the value that I needed to get. Simple
things like working out, simple things like tracking my food
intake, like get had extraordinary value for me. You know?
So Those don't have to be yours, but Wealth we help people
identify and use the community to find really cool KPIs to
get the outcomes we want. Yeah. No. That's fantastic. And then,

(48:42):
right, as you kinda look out on the the future in dentistry and the future
of organized dentistry And DSOs, do do you see them
starting to promote this healthier work life balance for
practitioners? Is that something you see a shift taking place?
They don't have really a choice. It's not the practitioners. In a sense, it's
like it's society as a whole. And we're at this interesting inflection

(49:04):
point. Right now, pretty much, it seems like every single day, the Harvard Business
Review, HBR, is putting out another article about this, work life
balance, or personal happiness, or loan like, all these things. In other
words, this space, this personal contentment
space has become a massive work
related issue. And we're in this point of

(49:26):
inflection where we're talking about it, but we're not doing anything
about it. In other words, it's like, okay. That makes sense. I want you guys
to be happy at work. I'm just not gonna change anything to actually get there,
and I still wanna keep things the way they are. So
I think our team members and
our providers are going to force the hand on this.

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Why did so many people leave dentistry during the pandemic and not come back?
It's because they could go someplace that treated them with more respect and
that got People leave jobs because
their future, their ability to achieve what they want for themselves in the future
is not possible through that job. That is the answer to every
departure. I don't leave jobs because I wanted a different job where I was

(50:12):
gonna get paid more. No. I left because I felt like
Another job had a higher likelihood of getting me what I want for
my life. Nobody leaves just based on I didn't leave
just because I had a bad boss, Because my future
wasn't possible with this person inside it. That's, like, why we do
things. So every work related loss It's

(50:35):
a life issue, not a job issue. No matter what you think,
our lives are the like, the fabric of what we do. So, Tim, I
think I don't think it's a choice. The
smart dental companies and dentists
as employers, The smart ones are gonna get on board, and they're gonna work
with companies like us to build strategies that get outcomes for their

(50:57):
people. And their Their people are on
average going to leave less, but they're also
still gonna leave. And we're gonna leave in positivity, not in negativity. We're
gonna leave in positivity that works for everybody. We're gonna leave because
I can't I wanna be an attorney, and working in a dental office isn't getting
me any closer right now, so let's create a plan to get me there. So,

(51:18):
You know, if you think about it, it's like a net win win. People are
still gonna leave, but maybe not for the same reasons that they
were. You know? Yeah. So and that's what isn't that what
here's an easy question. Like, what would you want
Things to look like for your kids in an employment relationship. Do
you want your kids to be held in place with 50¢ more per hour because

(51:41):
they hate the job and it doesn't get them to their But I'm offering
Tim another 50¢ every time they want they whine. You know? Is that what you
want? Or do you want them to be, like, living, Like their
purpose and living in the space that they love and enjoying what they do every
day and feeling like they're getting what they want out of life because of working
inside of this business. Yeah. Of course, that's what we want for our children. Yeah.

(52:03):
Well, as the employers of the world, it's time for us to
put our money where our mouth is And start, like, living it ourselves. You
know? So that's that's my call. Your question
was, is the industry gonna adapt? I don't think they have a
choice, But I think that a lot a lot aren't gonna do it, and
they're gonna end up with the same problems they have right now. Do I mean,

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dude, Like, I still work in the dental industry and, like, help people
build large DSOs. Everybody is still struggling
and losing sleep at night over recruiting employees
at every level. It's only like the few and far between. They're like, oh, I
have enough, and they're just saying that for 3 weeks because in 3 weeks, they're
gonna be like, I don't have any hygienists. And so, man,

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like, this is gonna be our journey forever until we, as an industry, get
our crap right and start actually taking care of people.
Yeah. Wow. I I love that. And I and it's so true because, you know,
in working with a lot of closely held businesses, family run companies,
Right. I've often heard the founders talk about their kids taking off to go do
something Wealth, and the founders aren't upset. They're not mad. I can't

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believe my son's leaving me. They're like, No. This is totally appropriate. Like, they
wanted to go pursue something else Mhmm. And they couldn't do it here.
And there's the joy in watching them launch to go do something
else. Yeah. And I think if you build that right kind of culture in your
in your business, in your practice right there, there's an excitement when
someone leaves. There's not that negativity because you're helping them go launch

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and do what they're meant for. Do you know what I love about what you're
saying, Tim, too? It's like Like, let's compare founders, CEOs, and
executives, and, like, company leaders to entry level team
members, employees. Right? Like, And,
I mean, I built a lot of this system with the focus target market
of those entrepreneurs and founders. But the truth is, This

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all originated from in my own company in the way that I chose to serve
my my employees. And
People that are founders and CEOs, they have resources available to
them. They have programs that can, like, guide them or, you know, coaches or
counselors. Our employees Often don't have any
resources at their disposal. And as much fun as it is for me to

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serve 1 audience, you know, the CEOs,
The greatest joy for me is what I've done and how we use this
through whole companies of 200, 400, 800, or a1000
To really serve all the team members. Right?
And those team members, when when we'll meet with them, they'll be
crying. You think, well, why are you crying? Because nobody

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has ever shown interest in my personal life and in helping me
to be better or to become what I wanna become. Everybody's just always treated me
like an employee and some KPIs that needed to be hit. Nobody's ever
cared about what happened inside my life. Think about what the
Think about what the shock waves of that look like through society. Imagine
how different our world would be right now if we were taking these models like

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the one life system, and we were pushing them through our entire companies
to give every team member from top to bottom the opportunity to
build a plan for their life and the Tools to be able to deliver it.
That I built so much of this just for my
kids, helping them in school, helping them to organize their own lives. You
know? Wow. Can you imagine if we spread it like wildfire

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through there? We'd be in a better place, Tim. At least that's my theory. Oh,
we would have better businesses, better lives, and we'd have better world because
people would be finding fulfillment. And when you find fulfillment and
when you can run towards that with your whole heart, It truly has
an impact. And so wow, Eric. Such powerful, powerful things.
Thank you for sharing so generously with us today. It has been

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it's been a joy. It's a gift. My journey
is, a gift that was given to me for me to share
with with all of you. Well, thank you. And so any closing thoughts
before we sign off here? How how can we get in touch with you? How
can we find you? Lot of ways.
Doctor, d r, Eric, ericjroman.com,

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r o m a n. That's an easy way to find out about me.
You can actually find out through there some links to everything that OneLife does. You
can find out more about OneLife. But, but we
also like, in coming hours, you know, we have,
www.thenumberonelifesystem,
Tim com and 1 Life Leadership. And, go to

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the web page. Like, learn more about it. Learn more about what we do and
how we operate and how we can serve you and the people that you
love, how we can serve your business With the same
essence of, efficiency and
effectiveness, to build fun, fulfillment, and freedom for all
your people. So, you know, thank you for letting me share,

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some of this message. And, that's how people can find me if they wanna know
more or they want me to come Speak at an event or any of those
things, I just I love to share, and it would be a joy. Excellent.
No. It comes through, and thank you for making that impact on, On such a
great industry, I think Dental one of the best, and and entrepreneurs are the
people who change the world. So let's keep changing the world and making it a

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better place. Amen to that, brother. Alright. We'll see you all again here
soon on the Dental Wealth Nation show.
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