A New Era in Detailing: The Success of the MTE Paint Correction Competition

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Hey, guys.
Alex Russell with the DetailSolutions podcast.
I'm here with Mike Phillips.
Hey, Mike, how you doing?
I'm doing great.
How about yourself?
Good, buddy.
So you're the guinea pig forthe first ever MTE Peg correction
competition.
Yes.
What do you think?
First of all, I love the idea.
You know, here at Mobile TechExpo, we've always had the Dan Pulley
competition and a number ofthe other ones that really involved,

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you know, the industry atMobile Tech Expo, but we never had
a paint correction competition.
So now these guys havedeveloped this format.
We can learn from anythingthat needs to be tweaked and in advance
of forward, and it's justgoing to give a lot of guys in the
industry to come here andprove they got the right stuff.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
All right, Sheldon, we did it.
We.
We finally did it.

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We put together Paintcorrection competition.
How you feeling about it, buddy?
You know, like you said, wegot it done.
90% of the problem is just starting.
So we've been talking about itfor so long.
It felt great just to finallyget there.
You know, honestly, the firstMike Phillips was the very first
contestant.

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Seeing him pick up thatpolisher and them saying, go, I was
like, oh, like, look, I don'tknow if I want to run away.
Like, just please work withall the weird engineering things
we did, but we got it done.
And to grade us personally,I'd give us like an 8 out of 10.
So pretty good.
We.
There's definitely someimprovement to be had and possibly

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some more competitions, butyou know what?
We got it done.
We had.
We had awards.
Everyone competedsuccessfully, we had successful judging,
and at the end of the day, wehave one year under our belt, and
it's just going to get better.
Yeah.
And I'll tell you what, myprobably favorite quote from this
weekend was actually when Iwas talking with Rennie Doyle and.
And he said, don is betterthan perfect.

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You know, so.
Were we perfect?
By all means, no.
But we did it.
You know, so that's.
That's, to me, better thanperfect because, again, it's.
It's been a long time coming, and.
And.
And so that was kind of gonnabe my next question for you.
I mean, like, four years ago,when I started this podcast and.
And met you and had you on totalk about mte, you were kind of

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like, nope, nope.
Not doing a competition.
We're not dealing with it.
And to kind of like wear youdown over the years, I feel like,
you know, do you.
Are you glad that it took thislong to kind of do it or do maybe
now you, maybe you're like, ohwe could, we should have done this

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years ago.
Ah, yes and no.
Again there is a big factor isjust starting and trying something.
Yeah.
But I was so, so worried aboutthe subjective judging of it and
the egos that come along with that.
And I think it was really theturning point for me is when I heard
about the detail meter.
So like shout out to row point there.

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But having a truly nonsubjective, technology driven piece
that can measure so much andyou know, multiple areas to give
us a large good average to methat took away all the egos and of
course there's still going tobe some things.
But I feel like we waited forthe right time.
We did so much research aheadof time and you know, did so much

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prep as thinking through allthe variables that we could.
I think we did it rightdefinitely with like the council
we built and having all thedifferent opinions and I feel we're
going to get a lot of opinionsfrom the outside now that we have
one done.
But no, I'm very happy withhow long we waited and the success
we had.
Nice.
So in, in the aftermath, Imean have you heard anything?

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Has anybody come to you and,and you know, either you know, with
positive or negative, youknow, constructive criticism or,
or because I know you werekind of like packed up and on to
the next thing that you had to.
So I didn't know if you'veheard anything or talked to anybody
about it yet.
Everything I keep hearing hasbeen very concern.
I haven't heard any real negatives.

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I've heard a lot ofsuggestions that we need to have
you know, one da one or likedifferent, like have different competitions
be able to let more people in.
There's a lot of that kind offeedback I've gotten.
But in terms of what weactually pulled off ourselves, I
haven't gotten much feedback.
Besides, we should add morerules on what you can and can't use.

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But it sounds like what we didenforce was consistent and fair.
Yeah, that's the, that's theone thing that I've kind of came
across too over the pastcouple days is, is the rules didn't
seem, although I feel like welaid them all out.
You know, bring your ownmachine, bring your own pad, bring
your own compounded polish.

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Like you know, but somepeople, you know, were like, they
didn't know where to look forthe rules.
They felt like maybe the rulesweren't easy enough to find or, or
out there enough or thingslike that.
So that's Definitely one ofthe things I, I have in my notes
to when we have our debriefwith the committee and, and again,

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I mean, you know, we had, Idon't know what, six months kind
of to put this together andnow we have a whole year to kind
of, you know, now that we'vedone it, we have a whole year to
kind of tweak the, you know,what we did in six months.
Really, you know.
Yeah.
And I'm excited.
I haven't even told you thisyet, but I want to put together a

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little in person meeting downin Orlando, April, and kind of talk
through what we had, how wewant to grow it.
So I want to have somemeetings before that to figure out,
so we're not on site saying,okay, where do we put the tables?
I want us actually allphysically there with some machines
in hand playing witheverything together.
Oh, nice.
So I just think there is,there's such a benefit to being in

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person and in person thingshappen for a reason and I think this
will be worth it to grow it tothe next level because like I said,
8 out of 10 this year.
I want like 9.9 next year.
I don't.
It's never going to be perfect.
There's always a chance.
Listen, I feel like you'regiving us a way higher score than
I was going to give us.
I was thinking maybe like a Bminus, you know, like, like we, we

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were like a good 80% or youknow, 70, 79 or whatever, you know.
So, yeah, I'm happy with it.
You know, it seemed, it draw.
It drew pretty big crowds hereand there.
You know, that was, that waskind of the cool thing to, you know,
look up and there's, you know,10, 15, 20 people there, you know,

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watching people com.
Compete and everything.
So that was pretty nice too.
And the amount of social mediapresence I've seen from it is just
insane.
Yeah.
And that's just sparkingquestions and inquiries and oh, what
is this?
I didn't know about it becauseas much as we try to promote it,
you know, not everyone seeseverything pre show and it's kind
of just a little blip on theever changing social media feed,
so.

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Right, right, exactly.
So I know we're going to talkabout it, but I mean, do you, you
know, for, for maybe thepeople listening, do you have any
thoughts or ideas that youwant to do next year maybe differently
or add to or.
You know, I know we've alwaystalked about in the past that this
could, you know, kind of growand blossom into you know, a multitude

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of different things.
So, you know, where do you seeit going next year and then maybe
beyond that?
Well, I do want to start outwith that question by saying, this
is for detailers, so I don'tdetail my own car.
I hire one of y'all professionals.
So I want to listen to all thefeedback and see what everyone in
the industry wants.

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So as much as I want to growthis and everything, I want to make
sure we get it right, and it'ssomething that we can replicate,
you know, over the country,slash world, as we were approached
by, you know, multiple timesthroughout the week.
Yeah, but I, like, I want toget the formula down right where
everyone thinks, all right,this is it.
Either it's one competition ora couple, depending on the type of
tools or however we want to do that.

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But I really want to get thatformula down before we start replicating.
But it's not my decision whatsoever.
It's really what the industry wants.
So that's why we started the committee.
And of course, we're belooking for open feedback of everyone
else out there.
Yeah, yeah.
And I know we did 20contestants this year.
I know you wanted to startout, you know, kind of small.
You did 20.
You were kind of hoping for 10.

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You sold it out.
Plus a couple, I think,because some people kind of didn't
show up.
And so we let other people whowanted to jump in, jump in.
What are you thinking next year?
I mean, we're going to do 30.
We're going to do 40.
So I think my major takeaways.
So number one, I need achampion in the industry to run this.

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So Jason Rose really steppedup this year.
He and the rope guys werethere literally all day, every day.
I know you were in and out,out to, like, helping get the contestants
set up, teaching them, like,doing the measuring, getting the
pan set.
So, like, we need, like, wecan't just lean on, like, volunteers.
Like, I need a champion for that.
So if you're listening andyou're interested next year, let

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me know.
But second, I think the pans worked.
I was a little hesitant, but,you know, seeing the before and afters
and the readings, I think thepans were great.
We got through 20, barely.
I think that was with Jasonand the real point guys literally
never eating or drinking anything.
So that was just brutal.
Yeah, yeah.

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Jason kept telling me, he's like.
He's like, I gotta eat my lunch.
He's like, pulling.
Pulling this sandwich and hisapples out of his little bag or whatever.
And.
And.
And I Kept running over to theAquatech booth to grab my drink because
I, for some reason wasn'tsmart enough to take it to the paint
correction booth with me.
So I'd start getting thirstyand I'd be like, shoot, I gotta run
back and grab my drink real quick.

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So, yeah, that was, you know, but.
But honestly, like, for me,you know, when I.
Even when I do MTE or do sema,like, I'm just so busy throughout
the day that I don't eventhink about eating, you know, and
then it's over, and then mystomach's like, feed me, you know?
No, I.
I get that.
But I think what I saw was the.

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The way we did the pans was great.
My little engineer contraptionto hold them worked fine.
I'd make a couple.
But we can definitely fab upanother one of those and we can run
two either staggeredconcurrent, either way, and we can
get double the competitors.
It might not be 40, it mightbe 30 to add some breaks in there
for people.
Yeah.
But I think two stations iscompletely doable to get more contestants

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involved.
Yeah, no, I think.
I think definitely we.
We could do it that waybecause my.
My thought was, you know, ifit's the first one of the day, the
row point guys met, do the premeasurements, and then the contestant
goes.
They start measuring pannumber two.

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And then by the time they'redone with all that, the five minutes
is up for the first contestant.
They go over and start doingafter readings.
You know, contestant twostarts going, and it's just a kind
of back and forth.
Was.
Was kind of how I wasenvisioning it in my head.
To be able to.
Be able to run.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And that.

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But that's what I want to practice.
Like, I want all those peoplein the same room when, like in, you
know, into April, whatever.
Like, let's try this.
Where do we put the tables?
How are we gonna.
Like, is there enough room?
Like, I think the earlier we get.
A hold of that, the better it'll.
Be at the end and we won't bescrambling on site.
Not saying it was bad or anything.
It was just a lot of, oh, thiskind of work.
Let's move this here.

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And.
Oh, well.
And again, I mean, we hadplenty, you know, I.
And realistically, I mean, Idon't even know if we had plenty
of meetings because we didlike one meeting a month.
So we basically had sixmeetings, you know, on zoom or.
Or, you know, meetings orteams or whatever.
But Friday was pretty muchfirst time, you know, that we Said,

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okay, this is how we're doing it.
Because, you know, I mean,even Thursday we didn't know the
Row point guys had a templatemade up.
You know, you were, you wereasking me to go buy a sheet of poster
board because we were going totry to make one or whatever.
So thankfully they had onealready made up.
They thought of it, which was,which was cool.
So, yeah, we had talked aboutit, but it's like they were traveling

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like, I don't know.
That's why, like, let's justhave something just in, in case they
were really, they were on topof the game there.
And of course we had a coupletech issues, but, you know, all that
will.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Well, listen, I, I, I mean, Iknow we're gonna, I stack the rest
of this podcast here with,with some other stuff, but man, I,

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I really appreciate you, youknow, for finally doing this, letting
me help out.
I didn't really know what myhelp capacity was going to be in
the beginning, you know, whenyou asked me, you know, to kind of
help you.
So I think just getting thatcommittee together and, and getting
the right people and havingthat input and then, you know, it

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was, I was kind of like you,you know, the first pan with Mike
Phillips, I was like, oh,shoot, you know, like, what's gonna
happen?
But it went off without ahitch for the most part.
And, and you know, I, I enjoytalking to everybody afterwards,
doing interviews afterwardswith them and, and kind of, you know,
seeing what they thought fromhearing about it to signing up to

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it, to doing it.
So thanks again, man, forletting me be a part of it.
It was awesome.
Yeah.
And I was actually justthinking about this.
Like, I want not only thecontestants feedback, but we really
want everyone.
So on the website, I mightjust put up a like survey form on
the correction page it says,you know, give us your thoughts.

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You know, anything goes.
Because like I said, I want, Ido want all the input on this and
it'd just be easier for me to,you know, get everything in one spot
if it's a survey form.
But, you know, drop us a lineon Facebook, I think, sorry, I stand.
On a balance board.
But yeah, so we want the feedback.
That's really what we need.
And the ideas because we.

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Right, right, exactly.
And then one last thing foryou real quick, because I did have
some people ask me, you know,you know, when they were going to
find out their standing.
So I know Daryl said he wasstill kind of, I think they were,
they saw it a couple of days.
They were actually Going toemail everybody's readings and standings
out and everything.
But did you guys let peopleknow where they fell if they weren't

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in the top three for the awards?
We have not yet.
So once Daryl and the realpoint team are done with that, I,
I don't think we're just goingto release it publicly, but if you
as a competitor would like toknow where you fell, I'm happy emailing
that to you, but it'll.
I unfortunately have to doanother show next week, so probably
be like two weeks.
But, you know, hit meup@sheldon mobiletechexpo.com and

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once we're.
We're there, I'm happy torelease it privately.
Awesome, man.
Well, listen, I, I know you'resuper busy, so I just wanted to get
you on and just kind of do alittle, you know, follow up debrief
with this.
And, and like I said, we're,we're gonna bring Daryl from Rope
point on here and have him goover the, the meter and the readings

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and all that stuff.
Yeah, I'm excited for theDaryl one just because I think there's
a lot of people in theindustry that didn't.
Talk, oh, Jason Rose didn'tunderstand the tool in the beginning.
I was.
He.
Jason Rose was like this, thisand this.
And Daryl's like, h.
I mean, not really kind of.
And, and Jason was like, oh, what?
So I think Jason Rose got alittle bit of education in the tool
that he didn't really know toomuch of.

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So that was pretty cool.
Yeah, awesome.
Well, great.
Well, thanks for having me on.
I really appreciate it.
And yes, sir, we'll take care.
All right, I'm back with DarylCase from row point.
How you doing, Daryl?
Doing great.
How about you?
Oh, man, I'm great.
So I'm excited to have you onbecause one of the biggest things

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with this paint correctioncompetition was everybody was asking
about the judging, how we weredoing it.
When we explained to themabout the Detailometer, you know,
a lot of people were like,okay, it's a gloss meter, but it's
really more than a gloss meter.
And I think that's the thingthat even the contestants, you know,
after they got done, were kindof watching you guys and asking you

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guys questions, and evenstill, they didn't get it.
So having you on here today,let's learn what the Detailometer
does, how you guys were, youknow, getting those readings and
then how you guys were able toput together a scoring system.
Okay, excellent.
Well, let me, let me start outby, by introducing myself and and,

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and Rollpoint Americas.
Again, I'm, my name is Darrell Case.
I'm the president of theAmericas operations for Rope Point.
Ro Point Instruments is theparent company.
They're, they're based inEngland and they've been in business
for almost 40 years.

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Okay.
They're a major supplier ofinstrumentation for measuring surface
appearance on automobiles,airplanes, yachts, trains, you name
it.
They've been makinginstruments for 40, almost 40 years

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that, that measure things likegloss, that measure things like distinctness
of image, haze, surface,waviness, or what we call orange
peel in the automotive industry.
And they've been doing thisfor quite a long time.
My operations here, based inTroy, Michigan is the America's arm

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of the company.
And we cover North, Centraland South America as a territory.
We have similar operations inGermany that handles the eu and then
we've got distributorsthroughout the world in Asia, China,
Japan, Korea, Australia, etc.

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So about two years ago, Iasked the company to develop a product
that could be used in thedetailing industry because, number
one, I'm a car buff myself,own a couple of collector cars, and
we've been making productsthat the automotive companies have

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been using for many years.
So I had indicated to ourfactory, why don't we come up with
a solution for theprofessional detailers, the men and
women that are involved inpaint correction on everything from
exotic cars to the family suv.

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Right.
So we had the technology already.
We had been using it for about15 years.
Some of the higher end autodetailers and associated companies
had been using our existing technology.
Companies like Rupes,companies like Esoteric Fine Finishes

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in Ohio, a number of companiesin Europe, and, and this, and this
technology, what makes itdifferent is it's not a gloss meter
per se, because gloss reallyonly tells you the surface is shiny.
Right?
And gloss doesn't really matchwhat your eye sees.

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So we had the technologyalready for, like I said, for the,
really for the past, probablythe past 12 years.
And it was an instrument thatwe started out with called the iq.
And what made the IQ differentis that it measured distinctness
of image, it measured gloss,it measured haze, and it also measured

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some parameters that wouldhelp indicate the level of orange
peel or smoothness of the surface.
So that instrument had been onthe market for the past 12 years.
The instrument was actuallytoo high of a price for the detailing
market.
So we developed a productbased off of that, a spinoff product

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called the Detailometer.
And we introduced it for thefirst time at SEMA two years ago.
Okay.
And, and so we launched it atsema, we, we, we had it last year
at Mobile Tech, and we had itagain in the, in the paint correction
competition this year atMobile Tech.

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So it's so starting to gathera little bit of steam.
It's starting to get a littlebit more well known again.
You know, people, the firsttime they see it, they will.
That.
That looks like a gloss meter.
Yeah, well, it does measuregloss, but I will tell you that gloss
is the, the, the indicator,the only indicator in the instrument
that really has no value.

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It's, it's there.
It tells you the surface isshiny, but it doesn't really distinguish
for you how deep is theclarity of your reflection.
Okay.
It doesn't tell you if there'sany haze still left on the surface
that could be due to polishingmarks, could be due to residue, maybe

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some of the, some of the paintissues that weren't corrected properly.
I can still show up as haze.
Okay, so let me ask you thisreal quick.
So then that's kind of the bigdifference between your guys's tool
and let's say the 300 glossmeter on Amazon is that that tool's

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only measuring gloss.
So.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay, that's true.
There's a lot of gloss meterson the market, especially the ones
coming out of China that youfind on, on Amazon.
Right.
But again, they're onlymeasuring gloss, and the gloss does
not tell you what you see withyour eyes.

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What you see with your eyesis, is really the distinctness of
image, or what we call areflected image quality on the surface.
And also that haze.
Yeah.
So those two parameters bettermatch what your eye sees.
They're going to give younumbers that make sense.
So now I can quantify thesurface of the paint before and after

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you do the paint correction.
Okay.
So the idea here for theprofessional detailer is your customer
brings their car, theirvehicle into your shop, you take
some readings, baselinereadings of the existing condition
of the paint, provide them anice report that says, here's your

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existing condition.
And oh, by the way, I believeI can improve your surface quality,
get it closer to a perfect finish.
And here's how I'm going to do it.
The products and tools thatyou use, and here's how I'm going
to quantify it with a meter.
Now, that gives me actual readings.
Yeah.

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To quantify what the work thatI've done.
So, so this instrument is, is,is unique.
There is nothing else like iton the market.
We own the rights to it.
It's, it's our technology andwe've had that technology now for
about 12 years and nobody'scome up with any kind of solution

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to compete with it.
And I don't think.
And I don't think they will.
Yeah.
So, so let me tell you alittle bit about the detailometer
and, and what it does, thereadings that it gets and what do
they mean?
Right.
And how, how a professionaldetailing shop that does paint correction,
a serious paint correction,can use it basically to elevate their

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business to, to get better,more customer loyalty, and above
all, to increase their profits.
So I'm going to go through acouple slides here just to give you
an idea of what, what thisinstrument does.
And, and for anybody who'slistening to this on the podcast,
this will be available.
The video will be available onYouTube if you want to go and watch

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these slides that he's goingto talk about.
So let me go to thepresentation here.
You still see it?
Yes, sir.
All right.
So the.
Again, I had a burning passionfor, for, for muscle cars and, and

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hot rods and, and collectibles.
And I'm sure a lot of the guysthat, that own these kind of, these
kind of, these kinds of carswant to make sure they protect the
paint, make sure they get thebest reflective quality of the paint
that they can get.
So they, they, they go toprofessional detailers to do that.

(25:40):
Right.
And, and again, our technologyhas been used in the automotive industry
and R and D, a lot of thepaint companies we know, the automotive
paint companies we work with,we work with the automotive companies,
tier one suppliers, et cetera.
But this technology has alsobeen used for a lot of other applications.

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One of the applications hasbeen used in for many years is polishing
of concrete floors.
So if you go to any of the bigbox stores or to Amazon plants or
anything like any of thosetypes of customers, when they have

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new concrete being poured,they basically hone or grind that
concrete to a fine finish.
They do that.
So it, so it's got better wearability.
It will, it will give them alonger life, but it also gives them
a nice reflective surface andthen they put their coatings on top

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of that to further protect it.
Okay.
So in the concrete polishingindustry, they've been using distinctness
of image and haze for aboutthe past 12 years.
And it's now specified byarchitects and, and by customers,
as well as these professionalconcrete polishers.

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They're using the sametechnology, our instrument, and it's
the only instrument on themarket, again, that can do that.
Oh, wow.
The other areas where it'sBeen used is metal finishing or any
kind of metal finishing.
Again, if I want to be able tolook at that surface to make sure
that I've got the.
The.
The best finish on the metal.

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And, And I'm looking at justmore than.
Is it shiny?
Is it.
Is it got a nice reflective surface?
And it did I get all the hazeout of the.
Out of the surface.
So the technology is there.
It's been around for.
For a while.
It's been used in otherindustries at products that are twice
the.
Twice.
Twice the cost.
Okay, I'm gonna pause you fora second.

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The screen's not changing.
Have you changed the screen yet?
I have, yeah.
Okay.
I'm still.
I'm still on the.
The main detailometer Elevatebusiness loyalty and profit.
There we go.
Okay, can you see that now?
Now it changed.
Yeah.
All right.
Every beautiful car finish hasa beautiful number.

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Yes.
Yep.
Okay.
All right, so.
So I'm going to take it out ofthe automatic mode then, because
I was trying to put it throughthe presentation mode.
Yep.
And I'll just show it asindividual slides like this.
Okay, perfect.
Okay.
So.
So again, our.
Our.
Our.
Our model, I guess, is.
Is.
Every beautiful car finish hasa beautiful number.

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Anybody that's got any type ofa car that's precious to them, like
a exotic or a Corvette, even aCorvette or.
Or even a muscle car or hotrod, they take care of those very
precisely, let's say.
And they like to also documentwhat they do to their vehicles, the

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maintenance that occurs, thework that.
That occurs on those vehicles.
Right.
So with the Detailometergiving you numbers now, you can.
You can take those numbers,compile a report through the app
that runs on your iPhone or your.
Or your Android device, and asyou're collecting the data, you're

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automatically creating the documentation.
So with that documentation,again, I can show you the beginning
appearance of that vehicle andhow it stacks up on the quality scales.
And then after I'm throughwith the professional paint correction,

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I'm going to give you numbersthat say, here's.
Here's how I took your.
Your vehicle from what it waswhen it came into the shop to.
To a near perfect finish.
Right.
So we.
This.
This tool is also a good wayto educate your customers by giving

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them the data before and afterand helping you justify your higher
level of cost.
For the, for the colorcorrection, for the paint.
Correction can also be used toeducate and train your people.
So, so if you have oneprofessional detailer paint correction
guy in your.
In your.
In your shop and he's the bestof out of all of them.

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You can now document and showthe other employees how to get to
that same level by using atool as a training device.
Okay, so.
So we have a lot of companiesthat are doing that currently.
I can tell you that for someof our existing customers, they're
using the meter and the appand the thickness gauge to not only

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train their own people, but totrain their customers.
And if they're doing any kindof professional correction training,
they're using it in thoseclasses as well.
Okay.
So if you talk to some of thepeople in the industry like.
Like Rennie Doyle with the.
With the detail mafia he uses.

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He uses it every day in histraining classes.
Yeah, I believe he was the onethat first told me about your guys's
tool when we were juststarting out the paint correction
competition committee and.
And looking into it.
And then Sheldon, when I met,brought it up to Sheldon.

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Sheldon said, well, theyexhibited with us the year, you know,
last year.
So he's like, I'll reach outto him.
And.
And so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we were very happy to bepart of the.
The first MTE Paint correction competition.
Oh, man, we were so happy thatyou guys were there, because I think
we would not have done a goodenough job without you.

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I'm telling you, some of those.
Some of those finishes were so close.
The competition was so tightthat without numbers, I don't know
how you would have been ableto do it.
Yeah, no, I mean.
And again, I mean, we knew wewere going to use the tool, but,
you know, I think Jason Rosehad kind of volunteered to.
To do the metering, but I feellike, you know, just that first conversation

(32:17):
the first day when.
When you and Dave were there, and.
And I think he didn't reallyunderstand the tool as much as he
thought he did.
Right.
And he's been using it for,like, seven, eight years.
Yeah, exactly.
So I was like, oh, man.
We.
We definitely, you know, notthat we would have done bad.
It was fun, but.

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But, yeah, I think it wasdefinitely a plus that you and Dave
were there, so that's awesome.
So, again, we.
We like to say thedetailometer is showing more than
shine.
Right.
It's.
It's.
It's.
It's.
It's.
Is showing you things that yousee with your eyes, things that you
can start to understand and.
And see if you've gotten that.

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If you actually achieved thefinish that you were looking for
and how consistent is thefinish around the whole car.
Right.
So, you know, we.
The way we see it when you're,when you're doing paint correction,
you want to do a, you want tomake sure the car is consistent around
the whole car, but you alsowant to make sure you don't over

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polish.
You don't want to waste timeand money on polishing more than
you need to.
Right.
So by getting numbers, you canfeel confident that you are achieving
the numbers that you want toachieve on the whole car.
And even aside the instrument,there is the capability to set up
what we call a pass fail.

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So you can set a, the firstpart of the car that you do the paint
correction on.
You get it to the level youwant it to be at and that becomes
your master.
Then you compare the rest ofthe car as you go along.
Am I, am I, am I matching themaster surface?
Wow.
And I'll get a pass faileither, either.
I've, if I, if I matched it,then move on to the next section.

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So we think this can also be atime saver.
Wow, that's cool.
Yeah.
And also to make sure thatyou're not, you know, over polishing
and maybe burning through theclear coat.
Right.
So with, with theDetailometer, it is a battery operated
instrument, measures a numberof different parameters all simultaneously.

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Takes about a second to takethe measurement and, and then again
that data is automaticallytransferred to an app on your phone.
So you're, so you're creatinga report as you go.
We'll talk about theparameters that are involved in it.
But again, as I mentionedbefore, the reflected image quality

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we call distinctness of image,we also have something called reflective
image quality, haze and aparameter called RSPEC which is really
understanding and giving youthe smoothness of the surface.
Okay, so if there's any, anylingering orange peel that still

(35:10):
could be in the clear coat,it's telling you if there's still
any there okay, that needs tobe polished out.
Now just to kind of clarify,distinctive distinctiveness of image.
Like what exactly is that?
I mean, I know you keep sayinglike reflectiveness, but like how
does it actually, like is itjust measuring the reflectiveness

(35:30):
of it or.
Well, with these meters,they're a meter that reflects a light
source onto the surface at acertain angle.
In this case it's a 20 degree angle.
And the reflection back fromwhat we get coming back from that

(35:51):
signal on the surface is alsoat a 20 degree angle.
And we look at that lightreflection on how the light's being
scattered and, and when, andthe way it's being scattered is telling
us if there's if there's,we're able to calculate haze.
Okay.
If we get a nice sharpreflection back, that's telling me

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I've got a close to a mirrorimage, which means I've got a good
reflected image quality.
Okay.
But it's all based on a lightsource that we reflect on the surface.
Okay.
Not much different than ifyou're using a light source by hand
or manually.
Right.
Looking at the surface at acertain angle with your eyes and
you're, and you're looking atthe halos and you're looking at the

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reflection.
If there's any distortions inyour, in your, in your reflected
image.
Okay.
We're, we're doing itscientifically with, with a, a known
light source, which is this,this technique of, of gloss readings
over the past 40 some years isall done with the light source.

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Right?
Right.
And I like that it does it atthat 20 degree angle because I think
most detailers, right, likethey, they, when they hold their
light up, they hold itstraight on.
Right.
And, and I, I know I've seen,you know, a lot of, you know, kind
of seasoned detailers, they'llusually hold their light out at an
angle on the panel becausethen, then it really, because if

(37:22):
you direct on it almost kindof washes out.
But if you get it at thatangle, then that's where you can
kind of maybe see that finestuff you're missing.
So I feel like exactly thesame, same replicating the same thing.
Yeah.
So, so if you look at thisimage here, I have a before and after
comparisons.
You'll see that this is off ofa, a Porsche vehicle.

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You'll see that the top areais still got a lot of scratches and
haziness to it.
And the bottom image is thescratches are gone.
The black painted finish ismuch more reflective.
And so you can see if youreyes the difference.
Right.
If I take those differencesand put them into numbers, you'll

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see that graph on the righthand side, for example, I'm showing
the distinctness of image ofthe green graph.
Okay.
And that distinctness ofimage, if you notice it peaks way
down to below 40.
Right.
In the beginning.
And as I start to polish the,the vehicle, you see that graph gravitate

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up close to 100.
Yeah.
So that's where you want toget to for distinctness of image.
You want to get to a, to an,to a surface that's close to perfect,
which is, it only goes up to 100.
Right.
Now if I look at the hazelevel, which is the red graph, the
Haze level starts out at apeak that's close to 100.

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Right.
And then you see, and then itlevels out and drops down to close
to zero.
Yeah.
So they're opposites of each other.
The distinctness of image.
You want to be a high number,the, the haze number.
You want to be a low number.
Right.
And, and RSPEC is againtelling me if it's getting smoother.
So if I look at that bluescale graph for the R spec, it starts

(39:12):
out at a lower number andit's, and again as my DOI goes up,
goes up and my Haze goes down,the R spec is also getting smoother.
Right.
Now let me ask you this.
What's the difference between,on the, on the tool, what's the difference
between Haze and Logic Haze?
Because I know when I did my,my metering and you even I, I kind

(39:35):
of showed you, you said oh,you had it on Haze and it was a good
number.
But when you guys did thecompetition, you did Logic Haze.
So what's the difference between.
Well we, we actually, wereverted back to regular haze after
the first couple of readingsbecause we've, we've, we figured
out the Log Haze is a higherresolution of haze.

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Okay.
It's used in the automotive industry.
And, and because they like tosee higher numbers, I can tell you,
for example at Mercedes theylook at haze levels in Log Haze.
If it's like 70 or lower thenumber, they're saying that's good,

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that's what they expect in afactory delivered vehicle.
But in the detailing industry,I like to promote the idea of I want
to get to 100 or close to 100on doi and I want to get to zero
on haze.
Right.
I don't want to see a numberof 70 or, or 50 or, or.

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70 seems like a bit.
That's crazy.
So, so, so I, I differentiateit a little bit from the automotive
industry saying okay, I thinkthe finishes are better from these
professional paint corrector guys.
Right.
Than it is coming out of the factory.
And so, so there's stilllevels of orange peel in the clear

(41:05):
coat coming from the factory.
Okay.
And so when you guys are doingwork on cars either brand new or,
or a few years later, you'retrying to erase some of that orange
peel that's in that, in thatclear coat.
Right.
So that's why we, we use, inthe competition we use DOI and we

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used regular haze.
Okay.
And, and, and you'll see whenthe reports are sent out.
We're, we're going to sendthose out later today and Tomorrow
to all the contestants.
Did you get all the emails?
I got all the emails, so yeah,we're good to go.
Okay.
But you'll see that the, if Iget down to zero haze, that's perfect.

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You can't get any better than that.
And, and we had quite a fewcontestants, by the way, that were
down in that range.
Nice.
So you'll see that when wesend you copies of the, of the reports.
Okay.
So again, the other thing thatwe did differently with the technology
that was not available withthe seven, eight years ago, with

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the other instruments thatother customers were using from us,
is we created an app.
The app comes with theinstrument for free.
There's no annual fees.
There's no subscription service.
It's included.
You can run it on a, on aniPad, you can run it on a PC, you
can run it on your iPhone oryour Android device.

(42:31):
Okay.
And, and it's a really niceapp because it allows you to document
the before and after resultsfor your, for your, your projects,
but it also shows you whatareas of the vehicle did you measure.
You can include photographs ofthe vehicle before and after.
You can include what tools youused to do the paint correction.

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So anything that you want toadd to the app is completely customizable.
The customer can put theirlogo, they can put all their marketing
information on the reports.
And when you're done with theproject, you deliver to the customer
a PDF file or you print it outon the paper and give them a written

(43:17):
report.
Nice.
So that's the app.
And the app is again,something that's easy to use, something
easy to document.
You'll be able to collect allthe, all the data that you collected.

(43:39):
And again, I think it alsoalso offers the professional paint
corrector kind of a level ofprestige that they can generate with
their company and use it, useit as a marketing tool.
Right.
You take away the finger pointing.
You take away, you justifyyour pricing plans.
You verify that you didexceptional work.

(43:59):
You also got the data archived.
So when the customer comesback to you a couple years from now
or, or next year or wheneveryou've got their, their previous
data to go look at and, andsee how, how their, their paint finish
changed since the last time itwas in for.
Oh, wow.
Correction.
So, so when they tell you theyhaven't been going through the car

(44:21):
wash, right?
And, and you meter it and you go.
Out the sun too long orsomething, right?
Yeah, you're like, you're likeJerry Springer or, or, or whatever.
No, not Jerry Springer, theother guy.
And he's like the report says.
Yeah, exactly.
Going through the car wash.
Yeah.

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You are, you are the father.
Yeah, yeah.
So.
So again, I.
A lot of companies that, thatare getting involved with the Detailometer
are now starting to use it fortheir marketing and basically show
their brand awareness to theircustomer base and within the industry.

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So we like to call it.
The results are golden becausenow I got real numbers.
If the professional paintcorrection shop is doing any work
with dealerships now, you cansettle on a specification before
you start the work and then you.
And then you've got resultsthat are in writing to show them.

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Here's what the work I did for you.
And again, get rid of all thefinger pointing.
There's not.
My eyes seen it differentlythan your eyes.
Right.
It's all in the numbers.
So let's talk about thenumbers briefly.
What do they mean?
There's five key measurementscaptured by the Detailometer.

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The one of them which I thinkis one of the more important ones
is distinctness of image.
Second one I would say isprobably most important is haze.
Now we've got a third onecalled riq, which is reflected image
quality, which is a higherresolution of DOI.
Okay.

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So if you're getting close toyour 100 score on DOI and you say,
well, on this particular car,I want to take it to the next level,
then I can look at the RIQnumbers and see if I can fine tune
it a little bit more.
So I think even going intonext year's competition, we are probably

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going to start looking at RIQnumbers as well because the scores
are so close.
Okay.
RSpec is again, the peak glosslevel at a very narrow angle, which
really indicates if I've got asmooth surface or not.
Right.
So the way we use that is, isif the R spec number is close to

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your gloss level number, thenyou know, you've gotten rid of all
the orange peel and you got avery smooth surface.
Okay.
Would that, would that alsokind of fall into like swirl marking
and light scratches and thingslike that?
Would that read that or is itjust reading?
It's more for the orange peel.
Okay.
The, the, the swirl marks andscratches are going to be in your

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haze.
Okay, gotcha.
So let's talk about what, whatare these various parameters mean
and how can you, you know, howcan you wrap your mind around what
they're doing?
Right.
So the first one, thedistinctness of image.
If we look at these sevenimages of a pattern, a optical pattern,

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you can look at all of thosefrom, from the top left one to the
bottom right one.
And I guarantee you that the.
The gloss readings are goingto be very similar for all of them.
Okay.
But you look at those withyour eyes and say, well, I know those
are not as good.
Right.
The one up on top left is blurry.
I can't even see anything.
Yep.
And the ones on the bottom,the bottom right are nice and clear

(48:02):
and crisp.
Yeah.
So DOI gives you a number from0 to 100.
And if I'm looking at that oneon the top left, that's probably
a zero.
And the one on the bottomright is.
Is going to be close to 100.
And you can visually see thatwith your eyes.
As I go through the.
Through these types ofnumbers, how the clarity of the reflection

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gets better and better, and itreally matches the numbers.
So that's.
That's doi.
If we look at the next one,which is haze, which we call reflective
haze.
Reflective haze is basically acloudiness, milkiness, halo marks,

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swirl marks, scratches.
It's basically microscopicsurface textures.
Right.
Which are polishing marks,scratches, weathering.
That's diffusing my light.
My light's not getting a nice,nice sharp reflection.
I'm getting it dispersed inthe surface of the paint.
And you can see this.

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A lot of times if you've got astrong light source, you're going
to see that with a light source.
The other way you'll see it isif I take the car from inside the
shop to outdoors in a brightsunlight, all of a sudden, some of
those scratches and things youthought you got out are still showing
up, which means they're there.

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And the Hays numbers wouldhave found them in the haze numbers.
Right.
So be assured that the numbersare going to be better than what
you see with your eyes, andit's going to really match what you
see, especially if I gooutside into the bright sunlight.
So that's what we call haze.

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Okay.
The third parameter is calledraq, Reflective image quality.
And RAQ is basically anothernew measurement that we created.
If I'm looking at highlyreflective coatings and.

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And I've got two differentpanels for the same gloss level,
and maybe the DOIs are prettydarn close as well.
But looking at them with myeyes, I can see that they're slightly
different.
Yeah.
The RIQ number is going toquantify that.
Okay.
So that's why I said when youget close to.
To 100, let's say on DOI.

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But, you know, there's still alittle bit there that I want to.
I want to resolve.
That's when I would switchover to the RIQ number, which is
already there automatically anyway.
So all you have to do is lookat it and say, okay, my riq.
My RIQ reflected image qualityhas gone up from a little bit.
A little bit more effort on my part.
Okay.

(50:56):
You could also be looking atthose things, by the way, with different
polishes, different pads.
You know, we talked aboutusing this instrument not only for
doing paint correction, but itcan be used to evaluate ceramic coatings
and protective films, becausethose all have a certain level of

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clarity as well.
So I can use the detailometerto measure before and after I add
various types of coatingsbefore and after I add a protective
film.
So that's riq.
Our spec is what we call thepeak reflectance.

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And on the meter itself,there's a graph that you can go to.
To look at and say, okay, I'vegot a gloss level of 89.1 on one
panel, and I got a gloss levelof 89.0 on a second panel.
But I can see the first panelhas some orange peel signature to
it.
Right.

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Because my, my, my peak isvery short and, and kind of squatty.
It's not a nice narrow peak.
The other way to look at thatis, is your R spec number should
be close to or equal to your gloss.
If I got a smooth surface.
So if you look at the.
The data on the right, whichis a smooth surface, my RSpec number

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is 88.7.
My gloss is 89.
Right?
Yeah.
So it's almost the same.
Almost the same.
But if I look on the orangepeel panel, my RSpec is 57.
Right.
Now, again, if you look at DOIfor both of those, you'll see the
DOI's got a big difference.
But the haze level is prettymuch the same on both, right?

(52:41):
Yeah.
So again, it's anotherparameter to use.
You know, there's not a singleparameter that's going to tell you
everything.
The doi, the haze are two ofthe most important ones.
But I think the.
If you know you've got a levelof orange peel that you're trying
to get out of the surfacethrough wet sanding or some type
of sanding operation, you'regoing to see how smooth you got it

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afterwards by looking at the.
At the R spec compared to the gloss.
Okay.
So it's another tool on your,on your instrument that's usable.
The final parameters, glossagain at 20 degrees.
Y.
20 degrees, because 20 degreesis the best gloss angle for highly
reflective surfaces.

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Anything that goes from, froma, let's say like a 70 on a, on a
gloss reading.
On a normal gloss reading upto a mirror finish, 20 degrees going
to give you a better, moreaccurate, more higher resolution
of data compared to a regulargloss reading.

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Now we make instruments thatmeasure everything from 60 degree
angles, which is kind of astandard gloss meter angle in the
industry worldwide forautomotive and other things.
We measure 20 degrees forhighly reflective surface, which
is what we think the paintcorrection market is all about.

(54:08):
And then for very low glosssurfaces, we've got an angle called
85°.
Okay.
And 85°, a very shallow angle.
If I'm looking at a mattefinish or some type of a very low
gloss surface, I wouldprobably use an 85 degree.
Okay.
Now I can tell you from our,the competition at Mobile Tech, the

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panels to begin with had no gloss.
Right.
Because the gloss was allsanded off.
So yeah, yeah.
So we weren't able to get anygood readings on that pre polishing.
Now with an 85 degree angle,we, we could have got a gloss reading
on it, but that wouldn't havedone much to help us I think for
the competition.

(54:51):
Right.
So who are, who's using theseproducts, these detailometers?
Who are some of the first.
Alex Russell is.
You can put me on that list.
Exactly.
I'm going to.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
I don't, I don't know ifthat'll help you or hurt you, but.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Since we started a coupleyears ago, Rainey Doyle was one of

(55:14):
our first early adopters.
Nice.
Mike Phillips now is also onboard as a user of the instrument.
He's using it for his trainingclasses as well as some of the projects
he works on.
Rupes has been a greatcustomer for the past, I want to
say eight years and they'vebeen using it for everything from,

(55:36):
from not the detailometer.
They've been using the, theinstrument called the iq, which was
a more expensive instrument atthe time.
Yeah.
They are now starting to usethe detailometers as well.
So they do have one or two ofthe detailometers and they're looking
to acquire a couple more niceEsoteric Fine Finishes is a, is a

(55:58):
large paint correctiondetailing company out of Ohio and
they've been using the IQproduct also for about the past seven,
eight years.
Okay.
And.
And they're a big proponent ofDOI and haze as readings.
They've even used it toevaluate what protective films they

(56:22):
wanted to use in their shopwith their customers.
Yeah.
So we do have a couple ofcompanies that are also reselling
for us.
Professional detailingproducts is a reseller.
We've got Griot's Garage usingit for their training and some of
their R D work.
Adams Polishes using it forsome of their R D and training purposes.

(56:48):
Stinger Chemical has a systemnow and they're looking at becoming
a reseller for us.
I got to talk a little furtherwith them about that.
Okay.
And then we've got some othercompanies that are, that are making
polishing compounds that, thatare like, and they're making ceramic
coatings like the Dura Slicks,the high tech industries, etc so

(57:12):
it's something that's, it'sgaining some, some traction and steam.
And again because of themobile tech show, we are running
a special discount for anybodythat wants to purchase the kit, the
Detailometer kit through theend of February.
We're offering a 10% show discount.

(57:35):
And all you have to do is callus up on the telephone and we can
take your order right over thetelephone and process it for you.
All right.
We don't have on the website.
We do have a website, but wedon't have on the website the special
discount at this point.
Nice.
So I'm going to stop sharingthat now.

(57:59):
That's a little bit of anoverview of what the technology is.
It's based on a light sourcetechnology that we own that, that
started out as, as glossmeters but, but it went well beyond
that.
And because we still sellgloss meters that are almost the
same price as the Detailometer.

(58:20):
Oh wow.
Just a single 60 degree gloss meter.
So.
And the, and the industry, youknow, automotives, aerospace, etc
are still purchasing thoseinstruments when they have to meet
a specification of 60 degree gloss.
Okay.
So I think that the pricepoint for the Detailometer we brought
down to about half of what theprevious products were called IQ

(58:44):
and with a special discountswe were able to lower it a little
bit more and it's freeshipping also anywhere in the usa.
Oh, nice.
That's good.
That's good.
Let me ask you this because I,I had little time playing around
with it.
Is it possible to get hundreds?

(59:05):
I mean I've gotten prettyclose on like DOI.
I've seen them up to, I'veseen it up to 99.
Have you?
Okay, yeah.
98.99 is not impossible.
I'm wanting, now that I'vegotten, now that I've gotten the,
the, the tool back, I want tostart playing with some of those
panels and see what I can do.

(59:26):
If you don't mind, I'd love togive you My, my befores and afters.
And, and maybe maybe you couldjust be like, ah, you might have
placed.
You might have not have.
Yeah, yes, absolutely.
And again, when I, when I didmy panel, because I, I didn't have
a cool contraption to hold itdown, so I was only able to do like
the, maybe 8 inches of themiddle of the pants.

(59:46):
I only did a dead center.
Yeah.
So my gloss before was 8.3.
My gloss after was 84.5.
Your gloss went up a little bit.
Okay.
Yeah.
8.3 to 84.
That's a lot of it.
But okay.
Yeah.
My DOI was 31.6.
Before.
After was 98.

(01:00:07):
Yeah, that's a big change.
I feel like that's pretty good.
Yeah.
This was the one I was mosthappy with.
So my haze was 195.9.
Before.
Before.
Log haze.
Log haze, it was 0.0 after.
Oh, you can't get any betterthan that.
Can't get any better.
Exactly.
And then my RIQ before was 25.0.

(01:00:30):
And after was 93.0.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the, the numbers make.
Numbers match with what yousee with your eyes.
Yeah.
I can also tell you in thecompetition because we, we measured
five different zones on thepanel, we saw clearly that some of
the work that was being doneby the competitors, they were spending

(01:00:51):
too much time on the edges andnot enough time in the middle.
In the middle.
And so the numbers you couldsee from one zone to another was
there was, there was somepretty good sized changes.
The guys, the guys that knewwhat they were doing, they had a
consistent consistency ratingson all five zones.
Right.
But we had a few that, like,one of the zones they would do terrible

(01:01:13):
in because they.
Now the other thing that wasinteresting, I think was in the competition
was was that the, the types ofproducts and, and tools they were
using, they were all different.
They weren't.
Nobody used the same tools and products.
Nope.
And that was kind ofinteresting as well to see is, did

(01:01:36):
the product make thedifference or was it the paint corrector
that made the difference?
So one of the questions thatI've kind of been wrestling with
that I think we should havedone, although I kind of, you know,
aired to Jason Rose, was thepanel wipe.
Does the panel wipe help orhurt them if they didn't?

(01:01:59):
When was the panel wipe done?
Before or after?
Well, I mean, so, so like,after they were done, I felt like
all the panels should havebeen wiped after they were done.
Jason was like, it, if they doit in their five minutes, they do
it if they don't, they don't.
And that's one of the thingsI'm going to talk about next year
is it needs to be done regardless.
Yeah.

(01:02:20):
But Jason kind of made it out.
Like, if they didn't and theyleave product on there, it could
hurt them as.
Is that true or could itpossibly help?
No.
If there's any residue left onthe area we were measuring.
Okay.
It could hurt them.
Okay.
So it was definitely better tohave to have them wipe it.
Okay.

(01:02:40):
Because that's one of thethings I.
I want to.
I want to approach for nextyear is regardless if it's done in
the five minutes or if we say,hey, you have five minutes to do
it, and then you have 20seconds or 30 seconds to.
Yeah.
To wipe or whatever.
I.
I think.
I think it needs to be donejust to, I think, be true again.

(01:03:01):
I mean, I know we were tryingto make sure that people weren't
using gloss enhancers.
Right.
Fillers or things of that nature.
But, you know, again, younever know because apparently there
was one person who had abottle of Rupes that Jason Rose says

(01:03:21):
was not a Rupes product.
When he saw it being put on.
He's in.
And.
And Brian from Duras Lake waslike, how do you know?
And Jason's like, I know myproducts, and that was not my product.
So apparently ended up.
Not if the.
And I don't think that the.
The kid was trying to cheat byany means.
Yeah.

(01:03:42):
But.
But it would be weird that hehad, you know, some product in a
different bottle.
But that, to me, that's.
That's why I felt like maybethe, the panel prep should have been.
Regardless if somebody usedsomething with gloss enhancers or
fillers or something likethat, the panel prep would strip
that away anyways.
Well, if you, if you giveeverybody the same kind of cleaning

(01:04:03):
cloth.
Yeah.
And they all have to followthe same process, it shouldn't be
an issue.
I.
I do want to say there's a fewtimes when we were measuring some
of the panels afterwards thatDave had to blow off some of the.
Some of the.
The leftover lint andeverything coming off the pads.
Oh, okay.
And again, anything that'sleft on that surface, if it's dirt,

(01:04:25):
dust.
Right.
Fibers, it could impact thelight reflection of the instrument
and it will add to your.
Add to your haze and yourdiminished doi.
So next year, we need to makesure that the contestant.
If we don't want to touch it,the contestant gets either extra
time or just time period to.
Yeah.
Wipe their wipe Their pans down.

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Make sure there's no dust or.
Or microfibers or wool.
Wool strings or anything.
Well, you don't blow it off.
Maybe we have a little.
Little.
Little pancake air compressoror something.
Yeah.
Something just to blow off thesurface to get off any.
If you don't want to wipesomething that might put scratches
in it or.
You know, Chris.

(01:05:07):
Chris Metcalf with ego, hadsome of them big blowers down there.
We should have went and gotone of those.
Yeah, one of those big egoleaf blowers.
The other thing I would recommend.
And we'll talk about that, Iguess, when we.
Yeah, but I'd recommend thatthe pre.
Panels are not sanded so much.

(01:05:29):
Okay.
Or.
Or we do some.
Find some way to do more of anatural aging.
Accelerated aging or whateverof the paint to simulate real world
conditions of car washes and.
Right.
And oxidation and those typesof things.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, I can just.
They're all in my shop.
I can just lay them out andjust beat them with a brush.

(01:05:50):
Yeah.
You know, for.
For whatever I.
I liked.
I can't remember if it wasyours or Dave's idea.
I liked it.
The idea of doing a.
A weathered panel competitionwhere we just leave the panels.
I'll just throw them all outin my backyard and let them get hit
on the Florida sun and rainfor the next year.
Right.
And then.
And then let the competitors.

(01:06:11):
Wet sand, compounded polish.
So maybe maybe year three, Ithink year two.
Year two, we just got to finetune year one, and then we can kind
of branch off from there.
But, yeah, we learned a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Both of us learned a lot on this.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Because, you know, whenSheldon asked me to help him do this,

(01:06:31):
you know, I told him, I said,look, I.
I don't know anything about this.
I don't even know if I want tobe a part of it, because I don't
know if it's going to be agood thing for you.
A good thing for me, a badthing for you.
A bad thing for me.
Right.
I said, but here's what I'lldo is I.
I will find you the rightpeople and we'll make a committee.
And I think that was thesmartest thing was having the committee.

(01:06:52):
I'm very glad that you.
You and Dave, you know, tookon, you know, the role that you guys
did.
And I'm excited for you guys to.
To join the committee thisyear to help us next year with, like,
okay, how can we, you know, dothe judging maybe a little Bit different
or what suggestions you guys have.

(01:07:13):
And I guess we got some ideas.
One, one of the ideas I, Daveand I had was it be nice to have
a, a big screen TV in thebooth that as the data is being collected.
Oh, it could be shown up there.
Shown right up to the audience.
Nice.
I like that.
And that way they can see it's real.
Jason had, although I don'tthink we could do it, I think it

(01:07:34):
might be a little tooexpensive and a little too tricky
to do because I don't knowthat you guys would be able to.
To do the data fast stuff.
But Jason Rose had the idea oflike when you go to the go kart track
and they have the thing and asyou pass somebody like, you know,
like the names go up and down.
He said it'd be cool if, if wecould do that.
Like, you know, whoever goesfirst obviously starts at the top

(01:07:55):
and then if the next persondoes better than them, then they
flip flop.
But again, I don't know thatyou guys would be able to, to crank
out the data.
Yeah, that, that could bedone, but it's going to have to be
a.
Probably a custom programwritten for that.
Yeah.
Some kind of a spreadsheetprogram of something.
Yeah, that might be a bitmuch, but I mean, it's a cool idea.
But I do like your guys's ideaof maybe we do a TV and have real

(01:08:17):
time.
Yeah.
Data being shown.
Yeah, yeah.
The numbers up there andeverything like that.
So.
Yeah, I mean it was, it wasdefinitely a lot of fun.
You know, it drew crowds atcertain times of the day, which,
which was really nice.
I think, I think the, thepeople coming around kind of like,

(01:08:39):
what is this?
What's going on?
And, and then, and then two,watching you and Dave do the, you
know, taking the measurementsand get.
Collecting the data, I thinkthat got a lot of people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, how are you guys doing this?
How are you guys doing this?
So again, that's why I wantedto have you on here and kind of go

(01:08:59):
over it so everybody canlisten to it and understand exactly
what we did and how we did it.
And, and maybe next year thepeople that were kind of curious
but didn't, maybe they'll showup and see what they can do.
So I think, I think that's agood idea.
And I think the other thing I,if we need to increase the bandwidth

(01:09:23):
of getting more competitors in.
Yeah, well, that was one ofthe things Sheldon talked about bumping
it to 30, you know, and wemight have to do two tables, right.
You know, my thought is, youguys measure one, that guy goes and
starts that one.
You're measuring the otherone, right?
You're done measuring that one.
He's done with that one.

(01:09:43):
You go over and measure theafters, the next guy starts, and
we, you know, rotate them like that.
You know, we have two or wehave two data collectors and two
guys.
Yeah, I mean.
Yeah, I mean, I'm.
I'm excited to see where itcan go.
I mean, I.
I definitely feel like weprobably could do more than 30 next

(01:10:03):
year.
Right.
My thought is maybe we have 30spots available, but we bring an
extra 10 pans, because, as youknow, we had a lot of people that
kind of, you know, as peopledidn't show up, they wanted to jump
in and take their place, you know.
Right.
And take, you know, so thatwas kind of nice because I think
we had what, maybe four peoplethat didn't show up, and we had three.

(01:10:26):
I think we had three peoplefill in because we only had one.
One pan left over.
So I think next year, if wejust have extra pans and for that
case, you know, that we couldalways maybe add somebody in or whatever.
But, yeah, I think definitelyit's going to come down to, you know,
we have to figure out the system.

(01:10:47):
We didn't really have a system.
We made it up on the fly.
That was.
That was another.
Another challenging,Challenging aspect of it.
So hopefully we can all gettogether beforehand and, And.
And get a system going foradding more people.
So, yeah, I'm excited for next year.
I think it's.
I think it definitely drew alot of buzz this year.

(01:11:07):
I think there's, you know,obviously people already excited
and talking about it for next year.
So, in fact, I was just,before talking to you, I was talking
with Bob Rasman from.
From Carbright, and.
And he's excited because, youknow, for him, and I think this is
a great thing for brands.
This is a way to put yourproduct up against, you know, competition.

(01:11:30):
Right.
You know, and.
And for him with Carbright,you know, it was okay.
We can.
They'll get your data, youknow, of what they did and how they
did and where they placed,because then they can go back to
the drawing board with theirproducts and be like, hey, we.
We need to tweak this.
We need to tweak that.
You know, same thing with.
With Brian from Duraslich.

(01:11:53):
You know, I mean, I'm sure hewas using it for, you know, whatever.
Even Aaron Knox.
Aaron Knox jumped into itbecause he was dying too.
But he had a sample compound,heavy cut compound that he wanted
to see how I perform.
Right.
And so he used.
He basically did thecompetition just to test that compound

(01:12:14):
and see how it would, youknow, finish down and everything.
So he did pretty well, by the way.
But he did not win.
No, he did not.
He did.
He was.
He was up there in the top 10.
Okay, that's good.
That's good.
I told him he was like, 14th,and he was like, oh, man.
I was like, no, I don't really know.
I have no idea.

(01:12:35):
But he's.
He's a good friend of mine, soI like busting.
Oh, yes.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We've been good friends for awhile, so there's a.
There's always a littlebrotherly feuding going back and
forth between him and I onlineand stuff like that, so.
Yeah.
Well, listen, Daryl, I won'tkeep you any longer.
I appreciate you for doing this.

(01:12:56):
I think this is a ton of information.
I'm so glad that.
That we decided to use yourguys's tool versus kind of using
eyes, because that's the onething that I noticed in this competition
was there were a lot of pansthat I looked at and was like, wow.

(01:13:16):
You know, I'll just call them out.
Steve Persia.
I watched Steve Persia's pan.
It was pretty good.
It was done.
And I was like, that's apretty damn good pan.
I was like, he's got it.
There's no way.
That's probably the best panI've seen all day.
You know, apparently my eyes are.
Because that detailometer saidSteve Persa did not win.
So again, you look at the averages.

(01:13:38):
Yeah.
You had five zones, and youmight have been looking at your eyes
with one zone.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And again, I was trying tolook at the light up top.
You know, typical detail.
I was trying to follow.
Follow the light around thepan so I could see, you know, any
haze or.
Or swirls or anything like that.
So again, I might not haveeven been looking at any of the spots

(01:13:59):
that you guys, you know,measured just because I was following
that light, but.
He was pretty good.
I, Again, I would say the top and.
And you'll see the resultswhen we send you the summary.
But the top 12 out of the.
Out of the 19, we're all by,like, points.
They're all within a point.
Yeah.
I mean, they're all so close.

(01:14:20):
Yeah.
And.
And it came down to fractions.
Yeah, that's what I figured.
Yeah.
When I.
When I saw you guys doing it alot of the.
A lot of the main numbers werevery similar, you know, like 83,
84s.
But then it was like that 0.2or that 0.3.
That was kind of like adifference, so.
Exactly.
That's what I knew it wasgoing to come down to.

(01:14:40):
And that's.
And that's the other thingthat's kind of cool too, is because
realistically, just looking atthem with the eyes, like you just
said, everybody in the top 12could have won it, you know.
Right.
But, you know, this kind ofmakes it like, you know, racing,
you know, it doesn't matter ifall three cars.
That's right, you know, by theeyes cross the finish line at the

(01:15:00):
same time.
It's.
It's that tenths of a secondor that hundreds of a second or,
you know, thousands of asecond that make a difference, so.
Or you got it by a nose.
Yeah, exactly.
Yep, yep.
So.
So, yeah, I, I appreciate youfor everything that you did with
this.
I'm excited to work with youguys throughout this year to make
the competition better.
Thank you again for coming on,explaining everything.

(01:15:22):
So now, hopefully everybodyout there who was curious about it
or who questioned it or didn'tunderstand it now has a better understanding
of it.
And, and then, yeah, ifanybody wants to get one of these
fine tools and save 10%, youknow where to go.
And I'll, I'll put the, thewebsite link in the show notes of

(01:15:48):
this episode as well.
All right.
I appreciate it.
Yeah, thanks, Daryl.
Thank you.
We'll talk to you soon.
All right, bye.
Bye.
Hey, guys.
Alex Russell with the DetailSolutions podcast.
I'm here with Mike Phillips.
Hey, Mike, how you doing?
I'm doing great.
How yourself?
Good, buddy.
So you're the guinea pig forthe first ever MTE Pig Correction
competition?

(01:16:08):
Yes.
What you think?
First of all, I love the idea.
You know, here at Mobile TechExpo, we.
We've always had the DanPulley competition and a number of
the other ones that reallyinvolved the industry at Mobile Tech
Expo, but we never had a paintcorrection competition.
So now that you guys havedeveloped this format, we can learn
from anything that needs to betweaked and advance it forward.

(01:16:28):
And it's just going to give alot of guys in the industry to come
here and prove they got theright stuff.
Exactly.
So how do you feel now thatyou were the first one?
How do you feel?
I.
In hindsight, I should havebeen the last one.
Then I kind of got thefeedback from everybody else that
went before me, but I reallydon't mind.
I didn't enter this with anykind of ego.

(01:16:49):
I just wanted to come in andbe a part of it.
Of course, fingers are crossed.
I place if I place that screen.
If not, I am going tocongratulate whoever wins because
this is a tough competition.
That paint, by the way, isrock hard.
I would compare it tostainless steel or glass.
It really cuts hard.
But that makes it a goodcompetition because when you come
into something like this, youdon't know what you're going to get.
It could have been soft paint,and as a professional, you need to

(01:17:11):
be able to figure out if it'ssoft, medium, hard, and then you
need the skills, the tools,the pads, the products to take care
of that paint.
It's right in front of you.
Nothing's hypothetical.
You got to know your stuff.
Listen, Mike, I appreciate youfor doing this.
So many of your caliber inthis industry.
This is great for this eventbecause obviously there's been a
lot of, like, how are theygoing to do it?

(01:17:32):
What are they going to do?
You know, and everything.
So I love that you were just,like, all in to help support, and
we greatly appreciate that.
Well, you guys did a good job.
So one of the things wheneveryou're doing product testing is you
have to have what are called controls.
Controls in place, and thatway you can keep everything even.
So really, what it comes downto is the person, the product, the
tool and the paths.
All other aspects are being controlled.

(01:17:54):
So it's very fair there.
So you guys came up with agreat business model for this, and
I'm looking forward to nextyear already.
Awesome.
Awesome.
Well, hopefully you'll come back.
Maybe you'll be the returning champion.
Okay, thank you so much.
Appreciate it, buddy.
Hey, guys, it's Alex againwith Detailed Solutions podcast.
I've got Brian from DuranSlick here.
He just competed in thebankruptcy competition.

(01:18:16):
So, Brian, what do you.
What do you think, man?
How do you feel?
I feel good.
I saw my number, so I feel alittle good.
It was harder than I thoughtit was going to be.
Okay.
Yeah, five minute mark got mea little.
That's what I was going to ask you.
What did you think about thatfive minute mark?
It was one of the pressure, soit was definitely pressure, of course,
with the audience, andeverything is a little bit more pressure.

(01:18:36):
But I think I switched padstoo many times.
Okay.
I probably should have backedoff on that.
But overall, I feel good aboutwhat I did.
So you did a.
You did a like a full, like,four step.
You covered with a.
With a rotary And a wool.
Then you, then you step downto like a foam pad, then you step
down to a polishing pad, thenyou step down to a jeweling pad.
Yeah.
Do you feel like you couldhave maybe done that in two steps

(01:18:59):
or three steps?
I probably could have, butafter that.
First cut the wool, I wentwith the wool pad.
I probably should want themicrofiber pad and cut it one time,
but I had to get that, the cutmarks from the wool pad out and then
I had to step it back up.
So it wasn't that much timewith the microfiber pad, but I probably
wasted a little bit of time.

(01:19:19):
So any thoughts going forward,like next year?
Do you see anything like maybewe do differently or do you like
the way that it's set up nowand maybe just fine tuning stuff?
I like the way it's set upnow, but I think that maybe if we
could do it on a car would be better.
But yeah, you can't sit thereand cut, cut on the car.
So it's probably the best setup.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Yeah, you guys did a great job.

(01:19:40):
Listen, Brian, we appreciateyou joining this.
Obviously supporting mobiletech and the bank action competition
coming from a brand.
So that's what we're trying to get.
I mean, we love to have kindof the everyday guys that are just
in the shop, but like tocompete against the guys in the industry.
I think it's awesome, man.
Awesome.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.

(01:20:01):
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
Yo, drink out.
Hey, guys.
Alex again with DetailSolutions podcast.
I'm here with Joseph.
So you're our third contestant.
You're the first one to do DA Only.
And not only DA Only, butbattery powered group sda.
So.
Yeah.
How do you feel?
I mean, I feel great.
I think I did as much as Icould in such a short period of time.

(01:20:22):
And with the products you had,it did throw me off.
I wasn't able to use like theRoots unit protect, which is a sealant
at the end, but it's cool, you know?
Yeah, I love it.
I love it.
Okay, so in your process,like, what were you kind of thinking?
I mean, especially being thatyou were only going to use da.
Yeah.
Most people have been talkingabout bringing multiple tools, rotaries

(01:20:42):
and stuff like that.
So what was your thought?
Just like, hey, I'm just goingto go with da.
Yeah.
So I don't know, like, I love buffing.
I buffed over like a thousandcars in the last, you know, seven
years.
Right.
And I just use the same systemthat we use all the time.
It's either menzerna.
Rupes.
Rupes.
Buffer.
Da.
We never put rotaries on cars.
Like, it's just.

(01:21:02):
It's ugly.
I think it's a.
It's a really bad idea.
You know, it's too hot.
We.
We keep rotaries for, like,boats and campers and stuff.
But so.
And I know that my productscan remove up to like, 1000 grit
West Sandy paper marks, so Iwasn't really worried about it.
Awesome.
Yeah.
So first year doing this,like, what made you want to.
To jump in and give it a whirl?

(01:21:23):
Yeah.
So it's my first year here at mte.
Awesome.
I love competing and I wantedto see, like, where my paint correction
skills are because, like, youknow, in the detailing world, everybody
says, hey, I'm the best.
I'm the best, I'm the best.
But I'm like, let's put it tothe test.
You guys did it in, like, sucha scientific way too.
You're taking all the numbers.
And I was like, it's soingenious what you guys did.
I love that.

(01:21:43):
And the competition just feels great.
Good.
So going forward into nextyear, if you were going to do this
again, is there anything thatyou would want to see us do differently?
You know, not really.
I mean, I'd like the.
I think it would be cool tohave the process go a little bit
faster, but I feel like it's.
It's still cool to, you know,take it slow.
It feels so personal and, youknow, my heart is still pumping from
the competition because youget five minutes, you're staring

(01:22:05):
at the clock and it's intense.
And so.
Yeah.
Last question.
Did the corral throw you off any.
The crowd?
Yeah.
Oh, absolutely not.
Okay.
No, I mean, so you were goodunder pressure because, like, you
know, I put my AirPods in likeI do at my shop.
I play music and I just sawthe panel, I saw the time.
Just like a customer.
The customer says, I want thisjob done at this way.

(01:22:26):
And boom.
And I'm like, done.
Let's get it done.
Listen, Joseph, we appreciateyou doing it.
Thanks for having.
Thank you and good luck.
Thank you.
Thank you.
See ya.
Hey, guys.
I'm here with the Holandro.
So, man, you just finisheddoing the bank reaction competition?
Yeah.
I'm sweaty.
You're sweaty.

(01:22:46):
Yeah.
So how was the pressure?
It was a lot.
And I.
We practiced too.
And it's like one of thosesayings, like you've heard it before.
It's like you forgeteverything when you're there.
That's kind of what happenedto me.
But yeah.
So overall, Overall hiding youfeel about what you did?
I mean, I, I, I could havedone better for sure, but that's

(01:23:08):
what it's all about, right?
You come to compete,pressure's on.
Sometimes things are all niceand dandy.
Whatever.
How do you feel about the five minutes?
Enough time?
It's not enough time.
No, I think it's perfect.
Like I said, I just, maybesome of us might overdo the first
step or process and take alittle bit more time than we needed,
but I think five minutes is enough.
Awesome.
So what kind of led you tosign up for this?

(01:23:30):
I mean, obviously this is ourfirst year doing this.
You know, what was it thatstood out to you to sign up?
First thing is like, why not,you know, why not do things like
this?
But also it's a verycompetitive market here in Orlando,
so anything to kind of stepaway from the competition, set myself
a little apart.
So.
Awesome.
We love what we do, so that's why.
Also another reason.

(01:23:51):
There you go.
Well, Hondur, I appreciate,appreciate you for doing this.
Thank you, Mobile Tech Expo.
Thanks for having me and goodluck tomorrow, man.
We'll see.
Hey, it's Alex again withDetail Solutions podcast, and I'm
here with Paula from Owner's Pride.
Canada.
Canada.
Oh, we're international, baby.
You got two Canadians in this.
I know.
That's awesome.
It's awesome.

(01:24:11):
So listen, so you justfinished, so how do you feel?
Awesome, man.
That's actually what I wasexpecting to.
Okay.
Like, the time frame is cool.
Like the, the system is perfect.
And having Jason monitoringthis is.
Okay.
Stop, dog.
So let me ask you about thetime that five minutes, do you feel
like it's enough?
Do you feel like it was justenough to keep you on your toes?

(01:24:33):
Yeah, enough.
I think it's like on thepoint, you have enough.
I could have done it shorter,but having that window and you know,
that window, it works really well.
So basically what I'm gettingis next year we go three minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So what do you think overallabout the competition now that you've
done it, versus theexpectation leading up to us kind

(01:24:56):
of presenting that?
I think that's exactly what weneeded in the industry.
You got to set up a standard,whatever that is.
I think this is a great standard.
Maybe just uniform the system.
You know what, Same pad, same polish.
Maybe that's one of the changes.
I would.
So that, that's something thatwe did look for or we didn't look

(01:25:18):
at.
Maybe going into next year wedo a rotary only.
We do a da only competition.
You know, maybe we do.
I've talked about this kind oflike a blind taste test where the
bottles are unlabeled so youdon't know what you're getting.
But again, like this firstone, we wanted everybody to feel
comfortable.
Comfortable.
Have their own products, havetheir own stuff.
And I appreciate that cuz wetalked about this and this is.

(01:25:40):
That's exactly what we need.
Exactly.
Leave the egos behind and justwork on.
Exactly.
Listen, the egos happentomorrow at 4:30 when there's a winner.
Then the ego could happen forthe next 365 days.
Yeah.
Paula, I appreciate you doing this.
I appreciate you supportingmt, especially somebody of your stature
in the industry.
Doing this just, just reallyhelps out for all the other shop

(01:26:03):
guys that are kind of gettinginto this, helping us out as well.
People within the industry aredefinitely awesome.
So thank you sir.
Thank you.
Awesome.
I'm here with Dustin.
So you just finished competingin the bank correction competition.
Yes.
How do you feel?
Feel pretty good.
It was fun.
So leading up to this and knowkind of what made you want to.

(01:26:28):
To compete?
What if?
What like did.
Was there anything that we didthat jumped out at you or was it
just competition?
Just competition.
I like competition.
I like doing the best I can doand comparing it to others.
Okay, so with the process thatwe have, obviously this is the first
time and everything like that,how do you feel the process went
for you?
Was it really easy?
Yeah, it felt smooth.

(01:26:50):
So if you were going to give asuggestion for next year, you got
any suggestions for us?
I think perfect.
So listen, Dustin, Iappreciate you jumping in and doing

(01:27:12):
this, supporting mte,supporting the detailing industry
and hopefully this issomething that you're back next year.
Oh yeah.
You know, so congratulationsor good luck and thanks for doing
this, man.
Hey guys.
I am here with Michael.

(01:27:33):
Hello.
Hello.
So you just finished the bankdirection competition.
Us.
Pretty cool.
Okay.
Like the setup's really cool.
Let people do their own stuff,do what they do is very cool.
It gets a lot of the nervesout because I was nervous.
Yep.
Yeah, no, no complaints.

(01:27:53):
I'm probably gonna have a.
I might cosplay next year tocompete with the PDR guys.
There you go.
Oh, dude.
We haven't had anybody suggestthat that is something we should
do.
So I might do that.
That's awesome.
That's a good idea.
But I mean everything, every,everything is good.
Given all the info online.
Cuz I did change my plan alittle bit when I saw like the 1500

(01:28:16):
sand.
Right.
Sanding mark.
Okay.
I need to come a little bitmore prepared than what I.
So let me ask you this then.
With everything that you sawonline or whatever, is there anything
that you feel like maybe wedidn't have in there that we need
to.
As far as information wise fornext year, the only thing might have

(01:28:38):
been is it soft, medium orhard paint?
And adding that because I knowfor me the this the brand of the
paint.
Right.
Meant nothing to me.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But that might have been myonly critique.
Okay.
Other than that, I thinkeverything was good.
You got to read the email.
Y read the email, read whereit said says get more info.

(01:29:00):
Right.
We gotta read.
I know details.
Hate to read, but we gotta read.
But if you read, you'll getall the info you need.
So let's go back to the nerves thing.
You said you were a littlenervous about it.
So is it just the anticipationof like not really knowing or is
it the crowd?
It's the crowd.
It's a crowd space for sure.
Just kind of like.
I tried to just dial in andnot look up, but I felt like I saw

(01:29:24):
people like, like crowding around.
It's hard cuz when you're inyour shop you don't have a crowd
of people watching.
Headphones in and you're done.
But here it's like I'm hearingthe PDR guys in the background.
I'm hearing people laugh andtalk and they might not even be watching
the competition.
So it's just not getting inthe zone.
But other than that, it was awesome.

(01:29:44):
This was great.
Awesome.
So we got sequel, so.
Yeah.
So you said you'll cosplay fornext year, so we'll see you next
year.
I will be here next year.
I'm here every MTE for likethe last five years.
I'm going do it again next year.
Mike, I appreciate you doing this.
I appreciate your support inMTE and the obviously the brand new
bank correction competition.
It's been a great start to day one.

(01:30:06):
And dude, I wish you good luck tomorrow.
Thank you.
I'm excited to see how I stack up.
Yeah.
Awesome.
All right.
Appreciate you, Alex.
Thank you.
Alex with Detail Solutionspodcast is back again with Mike who
just finished.
And Mike, five minutes goesfast, fast.
Fastest five minutes in mylife, so.
But overall, what did youthink about the competition?

(01:30:27):
It was fun.
There's big names that I justwanted to do it.
I've never entered one before.
Gotcha.
So, okay, so with the process,like how did you feel about it?
Is it very easy process tokind of get into?
Like nothing kind of matters?
Yeah, I mean, mean, I think ifyou're at the level, you're going
to enter a competition that'sfairly easy.
Awesome.
And one thing I saw you dothat, that I haven't seen anybody

(01:30:49):
else is you actually used apump sander to do some of your finishing
down.
Correct.
Oh, guy.
Oh, guy.
All right.
I love it.
Same with checking thetemperature, dealing with you get
the glass, the fiberglassreally hot.
Right.
So I want to make sure Iwasn't getting the pain too hot.
That's awesome.

(01:31:10):
Yeah.
So overall feeling, how do youthink you did it?
Doesn't matter.
I'm just happy to compete.
Yeah, I'm happy to compete.
That was fun.
Well, listen, Mike, weappreciate you for doing this for
the first annual one and goodluck definitely next year if I don't
win.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Let me grab that mic.
Mike.
Hey, this is Alex from theDetail solutions podcast.

(01:31:32):
I'm here here with Don.
He's another Canadian again.
I told you this was aninternational competition.
CA Adventures, Canada, whatever.
We love them.
They're our neighbors to the north.
Absolutely.
So Don, what you think?
Awesome.
It's something new this year.
I love it.
I get bigger and better each year.
I'm sure it will there.
So.

(01:31:52):
So let me ask you this.
Seeing this and seeing that itwas the first time and everything,
what was it that made you wantto sign up?
Just for the heck of it.
Just for the heck of it.
Heck of it.
You know what I mean?
I wanted to showcase Labo'smedical products.
Of course.
Yeah, that's it.
Just wanted to.
So how they bragging, right?
I guess back home.
How are you?
How are you feeling with your pan?

(01:32:14):
Good.
I think.
I think we did all right.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Obviously being that this isthe first year, if there was anything
critique wise that you see,like maybe we should change next
year or do differently nextyear, what would you say?
I think at the end of panelcar should be used to really show
a real true production.

(01:32:35):
Right.
Panel probably's gonna be theone that shows the real truth.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Everything's good.
It's good.
Yep.
So were there any nerves with.
Because I mean, obviouslyyou've got a.
You gotta love their fewpeople watching you and.
And then of course thenthere's the time limit.
I mean usually when we're inour shops, got headphones on, we

(01:32:55):
got it's a little bit of nervewracking in a way.
I would have loved to bring myrotary, but coming from Canada, I
can only bring one polisher.
Okay.
Hard to do.
Okay.
You know, just not.
I heard you a couple timessaying, like, it's taking forever.
I think you're the firstperson that said five minutes seemed
like it was taking.
Yeah, the five minutes seemedlike forever.
There's been some other peoplethat were like, sweating that five

(01:33:18):
minutes.
So, no, I was like, watch my time.
And, you know, my firstcompound, my.
My second compound was liketwo minutes in.
Right.
Then I was watching a thirdminute in to do my medium.
And my last minute, Ibasically used all my finish.
Yeah.
Well, listen, Don, weappreciate you for doing this.
Not a problem.
Thank you for supporting mt.
Thank you for supporting thefirst ever thank for Action competition.

(01:33:40):
And yeah, I mean, thankfully,you know, thanks for coming all the
way from Canada.
Oh, I know you didn't comehere just for this, but you never
know, you know, for sure.
Thank you, sir.
All right, thanks a lot.
All right, thank you.
All right, it's day two.
It's Alex with DetailSolutions podcast.
We're at the paint correction competition.
We've got Mark all the wayfrom down under, Australia.

(01:34:01):
So we had two Canadians yesterday.
Now we got an Australian look.
When I said it's NFLinternational, we're international.
So, Mark, first time at MTfrom Australia, right?
Yes, that's right.
What do you think of the showso far?
Oh, it's a fantastic.
It's a detail is heaven.
Awesome.
Yeah.
And then I know we were ableto squeeze you into the bank correction
competition because obviouslyyou're from Australia and everything.

(01:34:24):
What do you think of it, like,as far as the bank correction competition
goes?
What are your thoughts?
How did we do?
No, I think it's great the wayhow it's done and set out.
Yeah.
It just shows you how good youare also, too.
And just.
Yeah, the results.
The results speak for themselves.
Awesome.
Now, I saw you brought yourown stuff, you said, did you have

(01:34:44):
some secret Australian chemicals?
No, not at all.
Not at all.
Not at all.
Just from the training overthe years and all that sort of stuff.
Always updating yourself andskills and things like that.
That.
So, yeah, that's.
That's how I move on.
So what did you feel about the pan?
How did you like the.
The scuffing of the.
The pan, the pain overall?

(01:35:06):
Like, what were your thoughts?
The scuffing seemed to bevery, well, even.
And then while inspecting thepanel of doing the the first stage
of compounding things likethat, you know, inspecting it, finding
out what's going on, see howit's reacting with the polish and
then just.
Yeah, just play along and seewhat, what, see what's happening
with heat and speed and, andmovement and.

(01:35:29):
Yeah.
Move on to the second stage,which is the policy stage.
Right.
Yeah.
Now the five minute timelimit, you ran pretty close to the
end there with your polish.
Do you feel like that fiveminute was a little too.
Too little, not.
Not enough?
Or do you feel like maybe itwas just right and you just took.
Took all the way too limit?
Well, I guess, I guess beingthe first time using that panel.

(01:35:53):
Yeah, I guess, I guess the,the first stage was to find out exactly
where I'm at and then findingout what's going on.
And then the, the last sectionof the panel was the.
Okay, let's just refine.
Cuz I was stretching it at thevery last second.
Awesome.
Well, listen, Mark.
Sorry, a.

(01:36:13):
It's not a thing to be muckedaround and.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Well, they're getting ready todo the next one, so we want to get
out of the way.
We appreciate you coming allthe way from Australia supporting
Mobile Tech Expo and also thePaint Correction competition.
Yeah.
I wish you luck.
Thank you, Alex.
We'll find out later and Ilook forward to talking to you on
the podcast later.
Okay, thank you so much.
We'll see you guys soon.
All right, guys, Alex fromDetail Solutions podcast.

(01:36:33):
I'm back with Anthony fromNext Zen.
Next Zen.
Next Zen.
So how'd you do?
How do you think?
Well, I got really, reallyhigh numbers.
They're telling me.
Okay.
Unfortunately, there was alittle burn spot.
Okay, so you're the firstperson to burn through.
Mike Phillips yesterday wastalking about how hard this paint
is.
Do I get a reward for that?

(01:36:54):
I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe we'll get to.
We'll get you a burn through award.
And I dropped my towel and Iwas looking for my towel and I just
felt so.
So overall, what do you thinkof the competition, this being the
first year and us doing this?
You know, I like it.
Okay.
The only thing I wouldprobably recommend maybe a little

(01:37:16):
bit larger panels.
Okay.
Because in that five minutes.
Well, especially for me, youknow, you're.
Going, you're going, you're going.
So you do build up some goodamount of heat.
Yeah.
But then again, you probablyoffset it with the amount of paint
that might be on there.
Right, exactly.
Less on quality.
Yeah.
Because you're the only oneburned through.
So Far, Yeah.
So let me ask you this.
I mean, obviously you've got abrand here at mte.

(01:37:38):
Yes.
What made you want to do this?
Was that one badass.
He actually entered me.
Oh, Mark.
No, no, no.
Joel.
Oh, the founder of Next Gen.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're next in usa.
Okay.
And jokingly, he sent a message.
Message, like he wants to winthe contest.
And then before I knew it, hesent me another message.

(01:38:01):
I answered you.
Oh, great.
So.
But, yeah, it was good.
It was.
It's fun, you know, awesome.
And that's really what it's about.
You're here at mte, you'remeeting great people, sharing ideas,
all that good stuff.
Right, Exactly.
Well, listen, I appreciate youdoing it, even though you got thrown
to the walls, nice to have thesupport from the brands in the industry

(01:38:22):
with this, along with justkind of the everyday, you know, detailers.
Yeah, I think we have a prettygood mix of all of that, which I
think is going to have agreat, great turnout at the end.
And we filled going into next year.
I wish you luck.
Look forward to it.
Thank you so much.
All right, Next year, I won'tburn paint.
Yeah.
Thank you.
All right, guys, it's Alexagain with the Detail Solutions podcast.

(01:38:45):
I'm here with Mike, who justfinished that is the bank, his time
slot, the paint correction competition.
So, Mike, how do you feel,man, I feel amazing.
Yeah, man.
I had a blast doing thisactually, for the first year doing
it.
I'm glad they actually broughtus to the MTV show this year.
Thank you.
So what made you want to signup for it?
So I'm kind of new to detail.

(01:39:05):
I'm three years intodetailing, and my skills, I feel
like, are immaculate.
So I just wanted to put themto test against everybody, everybody
else in the country.
There you go.
So now that you've done it,how do you feel about the competition
as a whole?
Because obviously, when wewere first announcing this, there
was a lot of questions.
There was kind of a lot oflike, you know, whatever.

(01:39:26):
So doing it, how do you thinkwe did?
So I think it's a lot ofvariables, and within this competition,
I think it's great for theindustry also.
I think it's very.
I think a lot of peopleactually start getting more into
it now that going along withthe Dent competition, I think a lot
of people start getting moreinto it, but I think as a setup,
as the standard for it, Ithink it's phenomenal.

(01:39:47):
Awesome.
I think it'll get better aloneas the years have come.
But for Our first year forthe, for first start, I think it
was phenomenal.
How did you feel about thefive minutes?
Good enough.
Too rushed.
Need more time.
I felt like I didn't need it,but I probably could have used maybe
to like seven minutes.
Okay.
I think that would have been agreat gray area, but for competition
wise, I think it was perfect for.

(01:40:07):
And, and the overall pan itself.
Yes, the pan was, was great.
Awesome.
Was great.
Listen, Mike, we appreciateyou for supporting MTE and correction
competition.
Good luck.
We'll find out at 4:30 and.
Yeah, man.
Appreciate.
Thank you all.
We'll see you guys soon.
Awesome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Alex, again with the detailsolutions podcast and I'm here with
Tyler who just finished hispan for the Pinkler She Don competitions

(01:40:30):
with Tyler.
How do you feel?
Could have been a littlebetter, but I'm happy.
Okay.
Jason's happy, I'm happy.
So.
Okay.
See how we stack up.
Okay.
So knowing that this is thefirst year for the fan correction
competition and everythinglike that, what made you want to
jump in and do it?
It's my first year coming toempty hole or actually it's my first
professional detail anything.
I did it for 15 years.

(01:40:50):
I've never been to SEMA.
I've never been to a trainingclass, I've never been to an expo.
So I was like, if I'm goingwith do it, why not?
Awesome.
So how do you feel about the,the setup, the pan and all that stuff?
I feel it's good.
Yeah.
Cuz that was my, my bigcuriosity was like, what?
How do you control the variables?
Right.
You know, so the pan with thewet sand, like that's.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly.

(01:41:10):
Yep.
So did nerves play into anypart of this?
Especially because you had anice little crowd watching you.
It's kind of later in thesecond day.
Was it bothering me until Ilooked up and I'm like seeing everybody.
But no, just.
It's like you're in your shopstaring at paint.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, and the five minutetime frame, how did you feel about
that?

(01:41:31):
Like when I first got into mycutting, I'm like, oh, we got plenty
of time, you know.
And then you get to the middlezone, you get to that last minute
and it's like.
And I wiped off and it waslike I was happy, but I was like
a little bit more time.
And that was kind of thething, you know, I mean we're, we're
detailers.
We could spend like three,three weeks on this fan.
Right.
Get closer and closer.
So we wanted to make surethat, you know, we obviously got

(01:41:52):
it.
You know, we wanted a littlebit of a tight crunch.
Yeah.
But still have it be comfortable.
So.
Yeah.
Listen, Tyler, I appreciateyou for doing this for the first
one supporting MTE Correction competition.
Honest.
And good luck, man.
We'll see what happens.
Thank you so much.
All right, guys.
Alex, back again with thedetail solution from the Detail Solutions
podcast.
I'm here with Ona, our firstfemale competitor, our only female

(01:42:16):
competitor because we hadanother one that dropped out.
So you jumped in kind of unexpectedly.
So tell me.
Unexpectedly, right?
So tell me, like, not planningon signing this up, signing up for
this and jumping right in.
How was it?
Nerve wracking.
Because Jackie, he came to me.

(01:42:38):
That's over there.
She said, onika, no femaleshave been entered.
I'm gonna root for you to enter.
I said, well, if we get it, no problem.
And she went around, she cameup with it, and she said, onika,
I have everything for you to enter.
Enter.
How can I say no?
Exactly.
So tell me a little bit.
What do you think about thebank correction competition?
Because obviously this is thefirst year we're doing it at mte.

(01:43:00):
Like, how do you feel about it?
For me, this is the first timeI've entered a competition with regards
to paint correction.
Okay.
When I'm doing paintcorrection, I usually move very slow.
So it was very challenging for you.
Okay, Definitely verychallenging, but good idea.
Okay.
How do you feel about the pan?
Was it good to work with,like, not, like, enough defects,

(01:43:23):
but not anything too crazy for you?
No, it was.
It was perfect for me.
It was perfect.
Another small.
Right.
And then the time frame, fiveminutes, was that we didn't want
to make it too easy because,listen, we know.
We all know detailers.
We could spend three weeks onthat pan to make it.

(01:43:43):
Thank you very much.
The time frame is realistic.
Okay.
Time frame is very realistic.
Because sometimes, you know,you are on a paying job and you just
keep focusing on this one partthat you think you're not corrected.
It's over.
The time frame.
It makes you click.
It makes you think right.
Coming down to the end, andyou realize, okay, I just had 30

(01:44:03):
seconds, and I just kept myeyes on the.
On the timer because if Iwatched, it would have never happened.
Exactly.
Well, listen, I appreciate youfor jumping.
In and doing this.
I know it's last.
I'm glad that we did have afemale competitor.
Of course.
Good luck.
Thank you.
I hope you.
I hope you do really well.

(01:44:23):
And we'll see at 4:30.
Thank you.
All right, guys, Alex againwith detail solutions podcast.
And I've got Aaron AKA KnoxyKnox here, who jumped into the competition
late because he was circlinglike a shark and blood infested waters
for the last day.
So first of all, thank you fordoing this.
I think somebody of your.
Your stature, how little it isI cost.

(01:44:45):
I'll get your listen.
So what do you think of thecompetition overall?
Cuz I know initially you weregoing to help us do this and then
you couldn't and so you kindof helped me along the way with some
suggestions and stuff, withour stuff.
How do you think we did?
All in all, I love it.
Okay.
That's why I couldn't stayaway from it.
I wanted to see theintricacies of it.

(01:45:05):
I wanted to see how it wasbeing put together.
The overall presentation, asyou can see, everything is extremely,
like, calculated.
Yes.
Which is great.
But more importantly, I thinkwhat this is doing for our industry
and our culture is being ableto be a little bit more excited and
proud of what you do withoutbeing accused that you're just an

(01:45:25):
egomaniac.
We all want that sort of like,you know, recognition, if you will.
But I would rather know howgood I am in this competition and
I look forward to seeing it inthe future years because it's just
going to give more peopleexcitement, more people a reason
to be in our industry andreally dive into it.
So what did you think of thepan overall as far as like, how the

(01:45:46):
paint was, how, how it wasscuffed and things like that?
I think it was good enough.
Or should we change it fornext year?
I think the pan does its job.
You know, the, the, thedefects and what's in it.
Sure.
You know, you can always maybeimprove a little bit more, but all
in all, I thought it wassuitable for what we were doing.
Awesome.
Now, knowing that thiscompetition was going on, you didn't

(01:46:11):
jump in coming here and seeing it.
What was it about seeing itlive that just had you itching to
like, try to get into it?
I think it's just theparticipation part of it.
You know, I just wanted to, toexperience it and, you know, it's
always nice to be able tolike, get in, experience it, you
know, get the EBGB's out ofthe way and then, you know, at the
end of the day, if I lose, I lose.

(01:46:32):
And I'll take that with, with humility.
Right, Right.
So listen, I appreciate soNoxy for doing this.
Thanks.
Thank you for supporting MTEin the first ever paint correction
competition.
Good luck.
Yeah.
We'll see if you win.
Yeah, I need that mic drive.
Alex, again with the DetailSolutions podcast.
I'm here with Steve Berger,who just finished his time at the

(01:46:53):
paint correction competition.
So, Steve, I appreciate, firstof all, I appreciate all the help
and support you've been thelast, like, month or so with, with
raising questions and raisingawareness for this.
Yeah, definitely.
So now that you've seen it.
Because you've asked me allthe questions.
Yeah.
Now that you've actually seenit, how did the presentation ahead
of time meet the expectation of.

(01:47:15):
Actually, it was 100.
Everything that you said is,is how it is.
It's.
It's amazing to see howeverything is panned down and the,
the, the way that everythingis tested is you really can't.
Can't alter it.
I would say so, yeah.
100%.
I think everything that wassaid before the event is dead on
to what it is right now.
What are your thoughts on thepan as far as the paint, the way
it was sanded, all that stufffreehand to try to try and make it

(01:47:38):
even.
I know I saw some of the, thepanels maybe were like hand sanded.
I know a couple other guys mayhave complained about it.
Should have been like machinesanded, but.
Right again, this is the first year.
Can't complain about anything.
Sandy marks or.
Sandy Marks.
Exactly.
Doesn't matter how they wereput on.
Exactly, exactly the fiveminute time frame.
I know we kind of talked aboutthat before.
So how now doing it in thefive minutes.

(01:47:59):
Obviously you had time to spare.
Yeah, I think five minutes isa perfect amount of time.
Okay, awesome.
And then.
Were there any nerves in this?
I mean, did you.
I mean, you're, you're,you're, you're ice cold anyway, so.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm the worst.
I monotone the whole entire way.
But I think that just becauseeveryone's staring at you and you're
like, doing things thatprobably they may not approve, so.

(01:48:21):
Right.
But that's about it.
Awesome.
Well, listen, Steve, Iappreciate you doing this.
Yeah.
I appreciate, again, all thesupport that you did and all the
different groups of trying tobring awareness to it.
Good luck.
Your band looked amazing.
So we'll see what happens.
Yeah, I'm excited.
And hopefully we'll see younext year.
Oh, I'll be here next year.

(01:48:42):
Awesome.
Thank you, sir.
It's Alex again with theDetail Solutions podcast.
It is Bob from Cartwright, andhe's the last one.
We're finally done.
We had a blast.
Bob, what'd you think?
I just Had a fun time.
I seen it, you know, going andbasically, you know, I wanted to
have some fun and, you know,throwing the towels and, and throwing

(01:49:03):
the, the headband, it's justsomething that just adds something
to the fun.
And it's not, it's about theindustry and whether I win or lose,
it doesn't matter.
Right.
It's about having fun.
I love the competition.
I think it's pretty doggone fair.
And I, I had a lot of fun.
I really did.
I really did.
So what'd you think about thepan setup?

(01:49:23):
Like, I mean, as far as, likehow we painted it, how we scuffed
it, how we actually had it setup and everything like that.
I'm a painter by my field.
I basically planted all typesof paints.
I do his history of paints seminars.
I did one on Wednesday on thehistory of paints.
So I love painting.
I love working on some of thesingle stage paints.

(01:49:44):
So basically, yeah, I thinkthat you guys did a great job.
As far as.
It's not an exact science, I'msure, but it's pretty damn close.
Yeah.
And then as far as the fiveminute time limit, like, I know you
actually didn't go all the wayto your five minutes.
Right.
Like, you still had a couple.
Yeah, I had 10 seconds.
Yeah.
So I thought I had more time,but Jason kept me on.
Yeah.

(01:50:05):
But I thought I had a littlemore time and really I still had
Chronicle there with 10seconds to go, so probably could
have put a little more timein, like the wipe down, but sometimes
if you wipe it too much, itgoes the other way.
I just wanted to get it offand get going, but I hope whoever
wins the best for them.
And I just had fun.
I don't know if anybody hadany more fun than I did.

(01:50:25):
I can tell you that.
I definitely had a big crowd.
Did that put any nerves on you?
Because you had peoplechanting for you and hooting and
hollering and of course, thenwhen you were throwing the towels
and the pads and everything,everybody was cheering, just trying
to, just trying to get thecrowd involved.
And I got a great support teamwith the detailers of the round table.
There's an amazing group.
Jason was very good withhelping me keeping my time, you know,

(01:50:48):
you guys did.
Jason did a great job.
Everybody did a great job.
I had great.
I thought they were going todo the wave or something for a minute.
Well, listen, Bob, Iappreciate you for all the support
with Mobile Tech Expo and the,the first ever Plank Correction competition.
You did a great job, guys.
You Did a great job.
Thank you.
And good luck.
I think it's going to go out.
We'll see what happens.
Yeah.
Thank you very much.

(01:51:08):
Thank you, Sami.
Thanks, man.
Alex Russell here with theDetail Solutions podcast.
I'm with Jason Rose.
It is over.
The paint correctioncompetition is done.
Jason, you helped us from theconcept of this to execution.
How do you feel?
Did we check all the boxes?
Did we do all the things weset out to do?
You know, I think it wentbetter than we expected.
And usually the first time outon programs like this, a lot of things

(01:51:32):
go wrong.
And we did have bumps in theroad the first couple hours, like,
devices didn't cooperate.
Batteries, you know, ran outand, you know, little things like
that.
But we.
We pivoted, we corrected those.
We do have some things we wantto fine tune for next year, but overall,
I think it went really well.
Yeah.
And the feedback from thecompetitors has been really great.

(01:51:53):
Like, everybody's been excitedabout it.
They just were kind of like,hey, wanted to do it for fun.
Don't really care if I win.
So I think that was kind ofrelieving, at least for me, because,
you know, everything that wetalked about in planning this was
to try and have as less negativity.
Right.
Or concerns as possible.

(01:52:14):
So make it fun and make itfair, you know?
Exactly.
Or make it fun.
And one of the things that wedid to just make it totally fair
is we took the human eyes andthe body biases from human judges.
We took that out.
Right.
So there was nobody lookingsaying, oh, that's.
That's the best finish.
Exactly.
We are using all electronics,we're using science, and we're using

(01:52:37):
very specific finish quality measurements.
So there's.
There's no opinion.
It's a.
It's a number.
It's a fact.
Right.
Even to the point to where theonly contact from us really was just
awesome.
Swapping the pans in and out.
I mean, we didn't wipe them, really.
We didn't do any of the metering.
We didn't.

(01:52:58):
Nothing.
So, again, we wanted to takeout that, you know, possibility of.
Well, they did.
They did.
They did.
Yeah.
Thanks.
So.
No.
Very excited.
I want to thank you, Mr.
Rose, for.
I appreciate.
For helping us out with this,but this is really your dream.
You drove this for.

(01:53:20):
You're the one that made this happen.
Yeah.
I mean, I took it over fromsomebody else, but.
Yes.
You know, but I.
But if you hate it and it'sterrible, it's his fault.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I appreciate you and allthe people on the committee who stepped
up to help us do this, Iappreciate you for actually being
here in the booth remote daysto help educate everybody at exactly

(01:53:43):
what is going on and how it works.
And when they had questionsabout the machine, you were able
to kind of explain that to them.
So, yeah, I look forward tolooking or I look forward to working
with you again on next year.
I'm really excited about next year.
I think we're going to havesome better things for next year.
So.
Awesome.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Y.
All right, everybody, that isa wrap on the paint correction competition

(01:54:06):
episode.
I hope all this informationanswers all the questions that you
guys have about the competition.
How we did it, how it was puton, how it was judged, the feedback
from the competitors, with allof the interviews that we did in
this episode as well.

(01:54:28):
If you have any suggestions,any comments, Sheldon is actually
putting up a suggestion box onthe MTE Live Paint Correction competition
website.
So if you go to MTE Live,click on the Paint Correction Competition
tab, and there should be asection there where you can leave

(01:54:54):
your feedback.
Comments.
We really want to make surethat next year is even better than
this year.
So we will take those commentsand those suggestions to heart and
take them to the committee andtry to put them in.
So thank you so much formaking the first year an awesome

(01:55:16):
competition.
I hope everybody that has FOMOon it is there next year.
I'm excited to see what we do.
I think we've got some greatideas, and we really need your guys's
help to make this a thing.
So that's the whole thing, man.
It's.
It's for our industry.

(01:55:37):
It's for our thing.
Dental Olympics.
PDR has the Dental Olympics.
We have a paint correction competition.
Whether you think it's a homerun or not, like, let's support it.
It's for us.
And.
And if you don't think it's ahome run, suggestion box, please.
All right, everybody, that'sit for this episode.

(01:55:58):
Thank you so much for listening.
Take care.
Bye.

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