Exploring Innovations in Automotive Care and Detailing

This podcast episode delves into the intricate nuances of the automotive detailing and repair industry, with a particular focus on the significance of thorough training and the evolution of product usage. We explore the experiences and insights of seasoned professionals, highlighting the challenges faced when transitioning from traditional methods to modern practices. The discussion underscores the importance of mentorship and community engagement, as industry veterans share their journeys and the invaluable lessons gleaned from years of dedicated service. Additionally, we examine the upcoming Shine Time Expo, which promises to serve as a platform for education, networking, and showcasing innovative products. Ultimately, our conversation reinforces the notion that knowledge-sharing and collaboration are paramount in fostering growth and excellence within the detailing community.

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Episode Transcript

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That's why I threw the towel,cuz I thought, man, this stuff's
not coming off like I like itnormally does out in my garden.

(00:43):
I got a little sunburn today, but.
Oh, yeah, I'm good.
Yeah.
Where.
Where are you at?
Up again at?
In between Toledo and Daytonin a little town called Lima.
Okay, so you're up in Ohio area.
Hey, you guys are getting somepretty, pretty good heat up there.
From what it looked like they,they were saying on the news, it

(01:05):
was 95 here today and it wasapparently the same in Chicago.
95.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm gonna turn you up alittle bit.
Yeah, go ahead.
Hang on for a second.
Yeah, these are new.
Okay, let's see.

(01:26):
It's amazing.
We got it right, right off the bat.
Let's see.
Yeah, I like, I like doingthe, you know, the audio, you know,
the video in editing it.
I think that's the way to do it.
I mean, I've done live ones before.
Oh, here it is.
Hang on.
Is that better?

(01:47):
Hang on.
I mean, I can still hear you.
Yeah, I can actually hear youbetter without the mic.
I mean, can you.
Can you hear me okay?
I can.
Hang on.
No, yeah, I can hear you.
There's.
There's no like weirdglitching or anything.

(02:08):
So if that's, if it's easierfor you.
I didn't know if I could, if Icould let my.
I have an autistic daughterand I don't know if I could.
Would be able to do adifferent background.
Let me see here.
Or does it matter?
It doesn't matter.
Like, I mean, like I said, Imean it.
I do put it on YouTube, but.
You'Re gonna edit it so if shewalks in front of us, you can take

(02:31):
it out, right?
Yeah, yeah.
And I mean, realistically, Imean, I, you know, I might get 15
views on YouTube.
Like everything else is moreaudio based, so, you know, it's not
a big deal.
Yeah, you sound great.
You actually sound better thanwithout it.
Oh, yeah.

(02:51):
Okay, well, that's goodwithout that and with.
With it, you know, so.
Yeah, well, I wonder if.
I wonder if maybe if youdidn't have the settings to the headphones.
You know, maybe it was.
Maybe it was just in yourselfI can hear, but it just seems like
it's picking it up better.
Okay.

(03:11):
Right now we got a good night going.
But, you know, so.
So what, what I wanted to talk about.
I don't know if people know meor if you want.
I mean, I know people know me,but I don't know if your people.
Know me well, I mean, you.
We did have you on briefly.

(03:32):
I think you were on cd, cdc,sdc, you know.
You know, you know, there wassuch a nightmare.
I don't think it was edible.
I mean, because I remember youcoming back to me.
We did a live, but it did notgo well because of in road FS and

(03:53):
everybody else was havingtrouble too.
It was just a nightmare inthat building with everything.
So.
But I don't, I don't thinkwe've been.
I knew Kurt's been on, but Idon't know if I've been on, you know,
so.
Yeah, no, I think other thanthat one time at STC was probably
about it.
So.

(04:13):
Yeah, I mean, we can listen.
I mean, if you want tointroduce yourself, I mean, go right
ahead.
I mean, get.
We can get a little bit.
There's so many things.
There's so many things that we.
You know, the main thing isthat, you know, I've.
I've been in the industries for.
Since 1978.
I worked at Z Bar and it'sbeen a long time.

(04:38):
I came up in the auto body in collision.
I went to school in 78 and 79at the vocational school in our local
town, which I am now still amember of the advisory committee.
One of the very few guys thatstayed with the automotive program.

(05:00):
Real proud of that and beingable to give back to the community
in the automotive field inauto body.
I think that's where I haveconfidence with, you know, painting
cars.
You know, if you paint them,you, you get the paint.
You know, there's.
It's almost like a deeperknowledge with painting cars because

(05:22):
you're, you're painting them,you know, the medium of what you're
working on.
Right.
You know, when you're spraying it.
And so.
Or maybe it just gives you theconfidence that you can, you know,
feel comfortable.
Detailing is easy after youpaint and do body work and you know,
that kind of stuff.

(05:42):
But yeah, I, I just, I thinkthat's an advantage that I have.
I know there's a few peoplethat do that also.
I got out of it because of allthe toxins, you know, with the emrons
and the isocyanates that werein the paints.
It just got, you know, wedidn't have the down drown downdraft
booths like they have now.

(06:04):
And when we were spraying anEmron, I kind of had a mass that
leaked and it got into mylungs and couldn't breathe the next
morning.
So I decided to think, youknow, what Maybe I should, you know,
move into a different phase ofautomobile, automobile industry and
started working at Z Bar.
And then I realized, you know,I like this.

(06:25):
I've been doing window tintingand there's other, other phases besides
painting.
So I went to put, puttingsunroofs on, window tinting, chip
guard and all the rustproofing and.
Which just gave me a lot of knowledge.
I already had quite a bit.
And then I got into management.
I just worked my way from thebottom spray and undercoating all

(06:48):
the way to management.
And I think that's thegreatest way to go because you, you
walk in everybody's shoes asyou're a leader and a manager.
You know what, that job'salike, you know, so.
Yeah, yeah, I mean that'sjust, that's the same.
You know, when I, when I gotinto the car wash industry, I mean,
I started as the grunt on thefront line, you know, scrubbing bugs

(07:12):
or.
Actually, no, sorry.
I started as, as a vacuumer,you know, vacuuming cars and, and
then worked my way to thefront line and into the detail shop
and then, and then intomanagement and everything.
So yeah, you're right.
Like once you've kind of, youknow, done all those positions and
you know, what's involved orwhat you're asking of your people

(07:33):
because you've been there,it's a little bit easier to kind
of get that respect toobecause, you know, especially if
you're willing to jump in withthem, you know, like, hey, I'm, I'm,
I'm side by side with you, youknow, doing these things or whatever.
Yeah, it's, you know, then I,I worked.
I, you know, I had some stintswith, you know, the Z Bart and that

(07:56):
was a great career one tripsto the Cayman Islands and sales and
got me to realize what salesare about in management.
That really was the buildingblocks for what I've done, you know,
and when I go and teach, youknow, I teach with like a confidence
of how to run a store, youknow, how to take care of customers
and market and a lot of peopledon't, don't even know that side

(08:19):
of me.
And you know, I've been withCarbrite for, you know, years.
I started using carburete in 1970.
79.
Yeah.
So our distributor came in andhe was really good.
He was very knowledgeable.
You do demos and stuff and westarted using them and our, our shop

(08:40):
was doing phenomenal.
We had great reviews and Itold them that we were using some
Z.
Some Z Bart stuff.
And also some carbide stuff.
And they're like, wow, justkeep doing what you're doing.
You got great reviews there.
So got a confidence with carb, right?
And I ended up working my wayback, you know, to carbride.
And now I'm the, you know, thesenior trainer forum.

(09:02):
I'm, you know, like the guruwhen it comes to all things technical
on.
On the air care side with the Ozium.
And also had some.
Had some time with Simon eyeswith the detail and the car wash
side.
Touchless and tunnel car wars.
So it's a whole nother game,but I.

(09:24):
I can do both.
And that's what kind of makesme a little unique is the paint background
and then the detail and alsothe car wash side.
And it kind of.
Kind of like a Swiss army knife.
So, you know, we put thescratches in them at the car works
and then we take them out onthe detail side.

(09:44):
So.
Yeah.
But definitely, I love whatgets me out of bed now is Alex is.
You know, we were out inMinneapolis working with the DSI
group, and, you know, a youngkid drove 1100 miles up to see us
and wanted to be IDA certified.

(10:06):
Well, he wanted to be skillsvalid, though, but he.
He was just totally fresh.
So, you know, we got a lemon,but we ended up turning.
Turning it into a lemonade.
We all wrapped our skillsaround him, and we are now working
with him to.
He wants to have his own business.
And that's the beautiful thingabout, you know, getting up out of

(10:27):
bed in the morning is I'vedone just about everything on the
professional side, but, youknow, changing people's lives, helping
people.
Helping people is way moreimportant than the money and, you
know, fame and all that kindof stuff.
So it's.
It's.
I really get a kick out of that.
Well, that's awesome.

(10:47):
I'm different for everybodywho's listening, stop calling me
unless you got some money for me.
No kidding.
No, but it's.
You're right.
I mean, it's.
It's nice when you.
When you get those phonecalls, you know, and somebody wants
to pick your brain or just,you know, kind of run things past
you and see what your thoughts are.

(11:07):
It's.
It's.
It's one of those things that.
That's a little validating,you know, Like, I always kind of
feel like I'm just, you know,another guy trying every day to get
better myself.
And so, you know, whensomebody calls me and asks me a question
and.
And not necessarily validatingin the fact that, like, people are

(11:27):
calling me.
But when I realize, like, oh,I know the answer.
I know.
I know what to tell them, youknow, it's validating.
Like, okay, I, I am learningsomething, you know, with all these,
you know, people that I talkto and I'm, and I'm asking them questions
and I'm getting those nuggetsof information.

(11:48):
So.
Yeah, it is, it is one ofthose things that's, that's makes
you feel warm and fuzzy, youknow, at the.
End of the day, you know, ourindustry is kind of funny.
I'm.
I'm kind of like getting to bethe grumpy old man and I, you know,
I tolerate a lot of stuff andI also call on a lot of stuff too,
you know, so I let people know.
It's, you know, people try tothrow, maybe throw gray on Carbide

(12:10):
or throw gray on our company.
And, you know, I work for acompany that's has over $5 billion
worth of holdings of money andthey, they just do so much, and people
don't even realize how big thecompany I work for is.
Yeah.
You know, in the industry,everybody thinks there's, you know,
God's gift to detail and, youknow, when it's all said and done,

(12:35):
we're all a bunch of glorifiedcar janitors.
If you think about it, how,how big and how, how big and powerful
can you get?
For God's sake, you know,focus that time with your family.
And I know you do that and,and so do I, and people and helping
people.
I've been blessed to mentor somany people and that are.

(12:59):
That almost like they're my children.
Almost, almost like my sonsand, you know, just, just.
It's really neat to be in thatsituation with where I'm at right
now, so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you're right.
I mean, it's, you know, everybody.
I know everybody has theirpreferentials of what they like to
use and everything like that.
I mean, growing up, you know,kind of in my, in, you know, in my

(13:24):
knowledge or whatever throughthe car wash, you know, we used a
ton of car bright products.
I mean, there's a lot of good stuff.
You know, at the end of theday, I feel like sometimes you have
to stop worrying about what'son the outside of the bottle and
what's on the inside of the bottle.
Yeah.
And if what's on the inside ofthe bottle works, who cares what
it says on the outside of the bottle?

(13:46):
You know, it's re.
It's.
You're right.
You know, I.
People get so brainwashed intoa, a brand that the.
I've had the pleasure to workwith many brands.
PNS and Simon Eyes Auto Magicand in, in knowing what they've got.
You know, I always tellpeople, you know, if their lights

(14:06):
are still on, you know, theygot some good products and they're
doing something right andthey're growing.
I never get into, you know,that product's no good.
And I've had people come to meand say, you know, you, you don't
slam the products that I'musing now.
And I go, no, I will never dothat because it might be the only

(14:28):
distributor that you have inyour market.
It might be your product thatyou picked out.
And I don't want to insultyour intelligence or insult your
brands that you're using thatthat guy is taking the time to come
and service you.
And a lot of people don't see that.
They think, well they're, youknow, buy this product, buy that
product online.
And you know we, a lot of ourbusiness is, is, I mean truckloads

(14:52):
of product that, that'salready sold and it's been sold for
years.
The guy orders it.
There is no really demoing or anything.
Those guys are well oiledmachines and they flip those truckloads
and turn and make money andthey're not even on the Internet,
they're not even in the socialmedia, you know, game and very successful

(15:13):
people, Alex.
Very successful.
So yeah, I mean there's.
I forget his name and I don'teven know if he works for you guys
anymore.
He was a sales rep down herefor I mean ever.
I mean when I started in thecar wash industry in 95, I think
he was running a truck.

(15:35):
And last time I had talked tohim was probably maybe seven or eight
years ago after I started my business.
And I reached out to himbecause somebody was asking me about
a wheel acid and I rememberCarbright had a really good wheel

(15:57):
acid for like chrome wheelsand things like that that we used
to use at the, the car wash.
Man, I forget his name right now.
I want to say it's Dave.
What area, what area was that?
Central Florida.
So it had been like theOrlando north, north, north Central
Florida area.
Should have been.
Say it could have been Sam too.

(16:19):
Sam Green was down there,isn't him?
I want to say it was, I wantto say his name was Dave.
I can't remember his last name though.
Was it Dave Stanton maybe?
Could have been.
I just, I know he was.
He, you know, carbureteforever and, and when I think.
Do you guys sell the Valvolineat one point?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, we, we've, we'vehad a relationship with Valvoline

(16:43):
for quite a few years in EagleOne, Right?
Yeah, A lot of people know us,you know, through oil suppliers.
And I just got done spendingsome time with our number one Vesco
L out of Detroit.
It's a huge, huge account.
We did some training up there,but yeah, and like I say, Carbide's
connected to some really bighitters out there that people don't

(17:05):
realize.
Yeah, because I remember, Iremember he went from the, you know,
the traditional car brighttruck to the Eagle One truck, you
know, with the Carbide stickerwas a little bit smaller.
Eagle, Eagle One sticker was,you know, pretty big on the truck.
Yeah, there's, there's a lotof good guys out there.

(17:26):
That's a tough game.
I played it for quite a fewyears and it beats you up on the
truck.
It's a tough gig.
It's a really tough gig to beon that truck for a long period.
Those guys have, are havingsome problems now with, you know,
legs and hips and knees and stuff.
So I'm kind of glad I moved onfrom that.

(17:47):
It was great.
Why I did it.
But, you know, training is alot more gentle on the bones and
the body, and I can usuallygive more help, you know, where I'm
at now because of my knowledgeand stuff.
So.
Yeah, and that's good becauseI, I think you're right, you know,

(18:10):
you know, I mean, products areproducts are products, you know,
but if you don't know how touse them, then it doesn't matter
how good they are.
You know, the train, thetraining is, you know, and I've learned
that kind of over the pastcouple of years with attending a
couple of trainings and, andthe more that I talk to people that
are doing, you know, trainingsand, and what all is involved with

(18:33):
it and everything is, it'sseeing that difference of somebody
who goes to a training andlearns something that, you know,
a skill that they didn't know,you know, and, and how it's changed
their, their, their income intheir business, you know, just by
learning this one littlething, now they can go back to their

(18:56):
shop and, you know, now theycan do this one little thing and
they're charging, you know, anextra hundred dollars on every service
for this one little thing orwhatever, you know.
Yeah, yeah, you know, youknow, like you said, a lot of the
products will do similar,similar results.
There's Just sometimes someare ready to use type of a formulas,
Alex.

(19:16):
Some are one to one.
We were up at DSI with ChrisMetcalfe from Flex, and people were
amazed of, you know, how muchwe could step on those products.
And they were still strong and powerful.
Yeah, up to 15 to 1.
And they, that's kind of wherecarburetor is.
We, we sell a lot of thejuices and auctions and big account,

(19:38):
national accounts and, youknow, these are formulas where you
can, you can really step onthem and, and they're still got.
Even our leather cleaner.
I've used it 20 to 1 and Istill think it's too strong, so I
water it down more.
But I, it's.
But that's a good place to be, though.
Yeah.
Have those strong formulas andthat's probably why we're so successful

(20:03):
at what we do too.
But there's, there's just somuch in, you know, my days, you had
four or five guys, Hardex and,you know, Car Bright Pro, Automagic,
and that was about it in mymarket, you know.
But now I bet you you couldcount 20, 30 different suppliers,

(20:25):
you know, and.
Oh, yeah, it's, they're, it'sjust saturated now.
So.
Yeah, and, and all those fourthat you mentioned, I think are the
same four that we would havecome through the car wash, you know,
you know, every week for, youknow, because we would get something
from Carboy, we'd getsomething from Automagic, we get
something from Pro, we gotsomething from, you know, Automat,

(20:49):
you know, whoever, whatever.
And, and yeah, you're right.
I mean, now there's, there'sall these, these different ones.
I mean, my, my buddy runs a, atruck for, for Simon Eyes here, you
know, and Simon Eyes didn'treally do that, you know, years ago.
I mean, they had the carwashes and everything that they,

(21:11):
that they, that they did andwhatever, but they didn't really
have the trucks or whatevergoing out, you know.
And he does a lot ofdealerships and, and car washes mainly,
you know, more than, more thandetail shops or whatever, but he
does have a few detail accounts.
And then there's anothersmaller, like company right around

(21:33):
the corner from me that, youknow, they make up their own chemicals
and, and sell and then, yeah.
We call them like either smallsuppliers or bathtubbers.
Yeah, yeah.
Some of them got really goodstuff too.
So, you know, you can be, youcan be a professional and have a
product that's not, you know.
The other one we have downhere is Car Chem.

(21:53):
I don't know if they're like abig national.
We have a car cam down hereand, and again, they make great products.
I mean, I, I still, there's afew, there's a, a couple of products
that they use that, you know,I've used since 1995 at the car wash
that I have not found anything better.
So, you know, granted it takesme a lot longer these days to go
through a gallon, but, youknow, every six months or so, I,

(22:18):
you know, go, go drive the,the two miles over to car cam and
go see old Wally.
And I've known Wally for goodLord, 30 years now or whatever.
You know, I go see Wally andwhile you're still doing this.
Yeah, still doing it.
You know, that's, that's funnybecause a lot of the, the big wigs

(22:39):
are now.
The ones that I trained atSimon Eyes are now running the Simon
Eyes businesses.
And uh, we were actually setup right across from him at the ICA
show in Las Vegas and got achance to get over there and talk
to some of my old guys and gotgreat respect.

(23:00):
I tried not to blow bridges upor beat up people, you know, had
the privilege to be work, youknow, with them and Bob Phillips
at PNS and you know what, whata great guy in that company.
And, you know, I never reallyhad had any problem with anybody
like that's out there doingwhat we do.

(23:20):
And I, I'm a very secureperson and there's a lot of people
that are not that secure inour, in the industry and.
But yeah, there's some goodplayers out there.
There is.
And I think, you know, the, Ithink the drama is made, you know,
and that's, that's kind ofpart of the problem is, you know,

(23:43):
people can't just, you know,go about their day and do their thing
and whatever.
You know, it's always like,oh, there's plenty of cars for everybody.
And then turns around andthey're bitching like, you know,
this person stole my.
Whatever.
Or they contacted her.
You know, it's.
Yeah, yeah, it's kind of, it'skind of comical because, you know,
I've been doing this for solong in training and probably I forgot

(24:06):
a lot of stuff that, you know,that people don't, you know, just,
it's just.
And you see a young guy that'sbeen, you know, you can tell he's
been to a training seminar and you're.
I'm gonna tell you, Bob, theygot it going on here.
You got, you get your carcoated and you bring it back once
a year plus or minus theanniversary and you, they go over

(24:29):
it all again.
And this is something that we,we created.
And I'm like, well, I don'twant to bust your bubble, but back
in 1979 we had a product at ZBar called Z Glaze and it was set
that same system that youwould, it was acrylic polymer.
At the time they weren'tadvanced with the ceramic SiO2s,

(24:51):
but at that time it was thebest that was out there.
But that, that maintenanceprogram was exactly what he was talking
about.
And I kind of let him down easy.
And I said, you know, it's okay.
You know, I know you just cameout of a rah rah meeting with a guy
and your, your wheels are onfire and you want to go out there,
but I said, I just want to letyou know that you know the truth.

(25:12):
That you know, some of this,some of this stuff's been around
for a while but, but I likeworking with the young guys and you
know, just you know, helpingthem out.
So.
Yeah, and, and kind of liketransitioning from that.
I mean you guys are, you know,I had, I had Kirk on a couple of
months ago and we talked aboutthe Shine Time Expo that you guys

(25:36):
are doing and that's gonna,that's coming up here real soon and
you know, that's going to giveyou guys another opportunity to kind
of, you know, talk to newpeople and you know, kind of do some
education and some trainingand stuff like that too.
Well, you know, I, I don't getin with the clicks.
I, I just get in with thepeople and that's a good light hearted

(26:01):
group of guys.
With Kurt Evans working,working with some guys that need,
needed some help and you know,was praying for him and doing things.
I really, really impressedwith the character integrity of,
of detailers of the roundtable right here.
Here we are.
And I'm like a senior advisorfor them.

(26:21):
So I, I look at, I don't know,everything, never will, but they
want me to kind of watch themeetings and if I see something,
you know, Bob's going to speakup and say, hey, I think we might
want to reconsider this butlet's talk to the group and let's
make a group decision.
But you know, and I do thingswith the ida.
I do, I try to do one of thebigger global events with the ida.

(26:44):
I just have to pick and choosemy time slots.
Alex, because doing everythingwith carb, right, AP Formulators
and Valvoline in the air careside ozium.
My hands are full so I can'tdive fully into the ida or even the

(27:04):
detailers around it.
I, I take care of my full timejob first and my family.
So I think people get lost andgo, go chasing things and they need
to go do their day job thatpays them first and then you know,
of course and always keep yourfamily, you know, right there, first
and foremost.
So.

(27:24):
But, but this group, this showyou're talking about, I do a, a car
show that's been around forabout 46 years.
It's called the Rebel Run cars show.
Last year I got reallyinvolved in going to the cruises
and the car shows and, and Iwas bringing carburete products in

(27:44):
there and some of the aerosoldressings like the quick coat.
You know, it's funny, you givethem away as door prizes and the
next time you go there, theycome running up to you because they're
not used to using professional stuff.
Alex, you know, they're usedto using, you know, do it yourself
stuff.
And like that stuff is great.
I go, I know I wouldn't havebrought it if it wasn't great.
But just having a confidence.

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But what we're gonna have,what I'm seeing that's happening
with this show is that we'reinvited the Texas 2K Car Club to
this.
And it's going to be kind of ahybrid, like almost a car show.
Exotic, lots of different vehicles.
And then it's being done atthe air.

(28:27):
The Museum of Flight in Houston.
And I actually was there abouta year ago and I got my aviation
certification there.
It's a beautiful museum.
It's a great venue.
They have an Italian coffeeshop in there.
And I seen some things.

(28:47):
I've seen a B2 bomber come in.
And if you've never heard oneof those come in, man, just you know,
seeing those car, those, thoseplanes come in and they're always
constantly moving and stuff.
So just.
It, it alone is amazing to be there.
But we're bringing in exotics.
I'm.
I'm actually headed up theFriday night.

(29:08):
We're car golfing with Carbright.
We do.
I did a little bit of golfingin my life and I.
We go in there and we bringfamilies and we'll do topgolf and
somebody needs a little instruction.
So I kind of help them out andget them to try to hit the ball the
right way and, and it's fun.
We have a good time.
I got Kurt swinging a littlebetter now.

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I kind of put it together.
We're going to do a Business101 class at, at 9 o' clock with
rod and Jody.
Myself from the years I'vebeen in business.
A couple other people forthese guys that want, you know, want
to talk business.
And then we've got companieslike Rupez Flex.

(31:19):
It's a powerhouse group ofguys vendors there, Stinger, Carbrite,
I think just to name a few.
We got McLaren, we've got, wegot a brand new McLaren car cares
coming in with, with Carlosand, and what I'm seeing is I've
been, I've been here before.

(31:42):
The walk in traffic will be,will be probably a lot of the car
show guys.
And when you know, you know,you know when you're buying stuff
at the, you know, the autoparts stores and then you have an
opportunity to see you know,professional stuff.
Polishers like Rupus andFlexes and professional products

(32:03):
like Carburete.
You know these guys are gonna,they're just gonna eat it up.
So we will be doing demos onour booth with Flex.
Well to have a hood or a decklid there.
I'm also bringing down my newdetail meter that I got after the

(32:25):
show.
So we're playing with that alittle bit and we'll get back on
that a little later, talkabout that.
But we're gonna do maybe aMiami Vice night.
Go down to Kima Boardwalk.
There's NASA Space center there.
I, I lived there for eight years.
So I'm going back for a coupledays and see my old neighbors a couple

(32:49):
days before and we're going tobe driving in.
So really excited about thattrip and I think it's going to be
better, better than mostpeople think it's going to be.
And we got a couple boothspace available if somebody wants
to get in.

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We've got Grit Guard.
Let me see.
I got, I have some, I got somenames here.
The IDA is going to be there,so Detail, Bookie, Rod and Jody.
The Rag company.
You ever hear the Rag Company before?
So I think I've heard of them.
They had that, that one guythat gave the great hugs.
I think his name was Levi.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well, I think, I think Josh isgoing to be there, not Levi, but
yeah, Chris Evans foundation,which I am near and dear to.
That's actually starting to come.
It's a lot of governmentstuff, a lot of red tape we have.
We haven't given up on Chris'sdreams, you know, so Chris is still
in our, our sights.

(33:51):
Let's see what else.
Stinger.
Yep.
Yeah, it's quite a, quite alineup of suppliers there.
It's not going to be the bigmega show like or anything, but it's,
it's going to be better and I.
Think somewhere, you know.
Yeah, we've got a, adistributor there too.

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Well, I'll work with him alsowith some, with some training while
we're doing the demos.
I'll actually be training him.
So it's going to work outreally well for us.
Yeah.
I think when I talked to Kirklast, not last time on the podcast,
but the last time I talked toKirk on the phone, I think he said
they had about 30 vendors.

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They were, shoot, they weregoing to cap it, I think like around
like 40 or something.
I think he said they had about30 that were between confirmed and
kind of promised, you know, sohe was like, you know, if we, that's
all we get.
That's a good start to the,to, to the show and see how it goes.
If we can get to that 40,that's even better.

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But he said he wants to kindof grow it small.
You know, he doesn't want to have.
He doesn't want it to be asbig as MTE or as big as SEMA or anything
like that.
Start out small, manageable,let everybody kind of get comfortable
with it and grow it and, and Ithink, I think it's a, I think it's
a neat idea.
I mean it could definitelyfill the void of sdc, you know, kind

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of that middle of the yearalmost, because it's what, like the,
the beginning of next month, right?
June.
June, yeah.
It's going to be the June.
We set up on the 6th.
The, the, the, the mega partof the show is the seventh, seventh
and then the eighth.
And just the education goesfrom nine to five.

(35:40):
Yeah.
And that it's, it's going tobe packed full of education demos,
suppliers there.
And the neat thing about that,too, Alex, is that the car show is
going to be in the otherhangar, which is climate, kind of
climate control.
And if anybody's concernedwith the heat of Houston, don't be
concerned because it's goingto be like an inside car show and

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inside events.
So definitely don't let thatscare you.
Another thing is it's reallyneat to get there.
You can fly into Hobby Airportand it's a hop, skip and a jump to
the flight museum.
And it's right down the roadfrom NASA.
So we're bringing family in.
We're gonna, we might go to Gap.
There's Galveston Bay.

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You can go to Galveston'shistorical Galveston Island.
That alone would be worth it.
NASA, of course, we livethere, so we, we've been, we've been
there a couple times.
But Kima Boardwalk isbeautiful, where the, the boats are
going out into the, into theGulf and there's big dock that goes

(36:44):
around it.
There's a roller coaster.
There's all kinds ofrestaurants, shopping.
So a lot of families arebringing their, their families.
They're bringing their.
Everybody.
So it's kind of, kind of, kindof a vacation week.
You know, it's that, thatfirst of June.
Everybody's bringing vacation,they're bringing their people.
Kids are, Kids are just aboutfresh out of school at that point.

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Yeah.
So summer started.
No, I think that's, I thinkit's neat.
I'm, I'm, I'm excited for it.
You know, we, we talked abouttrying to see if we could do something
with it with Aquatech.
You know, even if we couldn'tdo a booth, we, we thought about
maybe going and, and walkingthe floor just, you know, to show

(37:25):
up.
But we had already madecommitments for like two weeks later
to go out to the refinery inDallas and show them some support
because they distribute for us.
And we already kind of set upa weekend with them with doing some
demos and, and a car show.
So it was kind of one ofthose, like, you know, like, we can

(37:47):
only do one, so we got to staywith what we're committed on, but.
But I'm excited to watch itand see how it is so that we can
then hopefully, like, put iton our planner for next year, you
know.
And, yeah, I think everybody's afraid.
You know, we know we all wentthrough the.
The.

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With Daryl and the.
The show, and definitely we.
We even supported it afterDaryl was gone to.
Just out of respect for Darl,you know, and respect for the show.
You know, the neat thing aboutthis show, Alex, is you're gonna.
You're gonna be able to sellproduct at this show.
It's going to be, you know,not so big to where you got millions

(38:30):
of people walking through.
Be a lot more personal withthe family night, with the golf night
going down to Galveston or theKima or NASA if whatever they want
to do.
And like I say, great, greatbunches of suppliers that I, that
I get along with.

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All these guys really well.
I mean, they're all amazing.
And we got some codingcompanies coming in.
Opticoat was one of them onthe list that's coming in for training.
We're gonna.
I'm gonna do my history ofpaints and I'm gonna focus on, like,
exotics, the do's and the don'ts.

(39:11):
What you can screw up if youdon't do something right.
With a rotor or caliper onsome of these.
Yeah.
Different vehicles.
So I don't want to get.
I want to give you too muchinformation, but, yeah, just kind
of focusing on some of the exotics.
And then the car show is goingto be a little bit of everything.
You know, there'sLamborghinis, Ferraris.

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This.
This ain't no joke.
This is gonna be a.
If these guys show up, like, I'm.
I'm predicting it's going tobe a really nice car show in itself,
you know, so.
And if you, if you haven'tbeen there, the museum itself is
worth it.
It's 25 to go through the show.
Okay.
That you get the show and youget the museum, which.

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It costs 25 to go to the museum.
If you add $25 at $50, you getthe educations, all the education
classes and the show, which Ithink is an amazing price.
Yeah, no, that's not bad at all.
Yeah.
And what was I gonna say?
Oh, and with the museum, Josh.

(40:17):
Josh Hernandez is going to bethere, right, with the ADA is.
Yeah, yeah.
Josh.
Josh will be doing an aviationclass, which is kind of unique if
you think about it.
Not a lot of people dive intothat because of the liabilities in
the Insurance issues that you have.
And Josh.
I mean, even I think the IDAkind of stairs steers everybody to

(40:40):
Josh.
Yeah.
And for that reason.
So he really talks about the,you know, the do's and the don'ts.
Like, when I talk about, youknow, not drowning the car out and
covering the computer and thedistributors and stuff, he's talking
about not knocking a sensoroff and, and jeopardizing somebody's
life.
Oh, yeah.

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So it's definitely.
Yeah.
I'll tell you what.
I, I've.
I've.
I've only done a couple ofplanes and.
And you know, they were mainlyjust kind of like washing waxes and,
and the guys, like, you know,you can't touch this.
You can't get any water here.
You know, so you got to bereal careful.
And, and it's never been oneof those things where, you know,

(41:22):
I was like, I want to do planes.
You know, it's kind of likeboats for me.
Like, they're just too big.
I don't want to do them.
But I'll tell you what,there's this guy on Tick Tock, I
don't know what his name is.
There's this guy on Tick Tockthat, that I, I saw a couple of his
videos pop up in my feed last night.
And, and he starts out histhing, he's like, follow me along
as I detail planes until I canafford to buy one my.

(41:47):
Myself or whatever.
And, and he says he's onlybeen doing it for three or four months
and he's already done like $3million in business.
And he talks about, you know,like, hey, we, you know, this client
called us out and, and I don'tknow, it could be social media, it
could just be pulling out ofhis ass or whatever, right?
But, you know, he's like, hey,this client calls us out, super emergency,

(42:09):
needs to get the plane done,yada, yada, yada.
So I have to charge him, youknow, like, like a, like a, an upfront
or not an upfront fee, butlike a deposit.
Well, no, no, not even the deposit.
A, A, like, like, like a rush fee.

(42:30):
Right?
Because it.
Oh, okay.
He's like, I charged him$4,000 for a rush fee.
He goes, I had to buy a liftto be able to do it.
So I charged him the $8,000that the lift costs us.
And then he's like.
And then the detail of theplane was like $11,000.
And I'm like, Jesus Christ,this guy made like $22,000 just like

(42:50):
washing a plane.
Well, you know, you know, it'sfunny that you said that because
I, I did the, I was a supply,a supplier for detailing and you
know, and I also supplied forcar washes, you know, full, I mean
large car washes.
And people say well, what'sthe difference?
I go, well, most of mycustomers were like a 500 stop on

(43:11):
the detail side, give or take some.
Yeah.
But most of the people that Isold to on the car war side was five
thousand dollar sales per stop.
And I would bet that some ofthose high dollar planes you've got
high dollar money and youknow, it could be far fetched on

(43:34):
some of the, what he's made.
It's kind of jealous becausehe could make that kind of money
just starting out.
Three or four, three or fourmonths in, he's already made like
$3 million.
Like, oh, I'd like to seethat, those books.
But you know, but, but yeah,there is a, you know, it is the Internet,
that's all I can say.

(43:54):
And it could, it could belegit too, I don't know.
But, but yeah, the big, thebigger the client usually the bigger
the money.
And, and I feel the same way.
I mean you could flip it ontolike boats, you know, I mean if,
if you're doing a 50 foot, 80foot yacht, that's you know, a couple
hundred million dollars.
I mean that's not, that's notno thousand dollar wash job, you
know, kind of, you know, soyou're, you're spending some money

(44:16):
or you know, they're payingsome money for it.
So.
But yeah, those, those jobsare just a little bit too big for
me.
I, I like little cars.
I know, I know there too.
I know Kurt was talking aboutyachts and boats and you know, we
had a very diverse group ofairplanes, cars, yachts, you name

(44:37):
it, that were coming to this show.
I don't know how many yachtsand boats are going to be there,
but I think there is going tobe one of the coding companies doing
a boat detailing class.
So like I said, we got the guythat came up, he came up to our class,
he drove 1100 miles to come toour class up in Rochester, Minnesota.

(45:00):
And, and we found out that heneeded a lot of help.
We're going to try to getSebastian to come up to the Shine
Time and embrace him with morelove and support and knowledge to
get him up to speed.
He wants to take, he wants totake his IDA test and we want to

(45:23):
make sure he's ready before hetakes it.
So, so, but yeah, definitely,you know, and then there's just a
lot going on with, with the training.
Like I said, Chris Metcalfwill be there with me in our booth
with the Flex polishers.
We'll have our select line ofproducts, the ones that I used at

(45:47):
the detail competition.
And we're bringing the, youknow, the detail meter there.
And we're.
We're wanting to try to focus on.
Trying to, you know, getgeared up for that.
And I know, I know you have alot to do with that.
And I mean, I have somethingto do with it.
I haven't been doing a wholelot with it lately, so I don't know.

(46:09):
But.
Yeah.
But it's amazing the, thecomments and the thousands of responses
I got back from that.
And, you know, it's a lifelesson where I sat and watched these
guys, you know, detailingthese panels and sweating bullets.

(46:30):
And I mean, they were pushingthat five minutes to a limit.
And I thought, I'm not goingto do that.
I'm going to go up there.
I'm gonna be serious, don'tget me wrong, but I'm gonna go up
and have fun during the process.
And I am so glad that I didthat because I think.
I think we're gonna get morepeople because of what I did.

(46:51):
We're hopefully going to getsome more characters like myself
to get in there.
And, you know, the commentsthat came out of that, like, the
guys that are, oh, I'll tellyou what, if I'd done it, I would
have.
Want it.
You know, that kind of stuff.
I said, well, great, I'll signyou up for next year.
How's that?
Let's.
Let's get.
Let's get after it.
Well, I don't know about that,you know, exactly.

(47:12):
Everybody can win it untilit's time to, to put cash down and,
and actually show up for it,you know, and that.
That's.
I always knew that was goingto be the problem.
I think we, we as a committeealways knew that that was going to
be the problem.
That's why we just try to.
We just tried to make it fun.

(47:36):
But we also tried to make itto the point to where there was this
little human interaction otherthan the contestant, you know, on
the panel.
So then nobody could be the,you know, well, my panel this or
their panel that, or you guysdid this, or this was different or,

(47:56):
you know, and that's why wedid it all, all with that detailometer.
That way it was, you know,fair and accurate readings.
You know, we took averages,you know, multiple, multiple readings
per panel.
Multiple readings per locationon the panel, you know, so nobody
could come back and, and say,you know, that it wasn't fair.

(48:18):
It wasn't, you know, whatever,whatever the, the thing was.
And, and, you know, was it.
Was it 100 by?
No.
No, it wasn't.
I mean, we did it as close aswe, you know, obviously, there's
people that are gonna, youknow, find some, Some negatives with
it or whatever.
And again, most of thosepeople were keyboard warriors, weren't

(48:40):
it?
Weren't there?
Everybody that was there thatdid it had a blast, enjoyed it, you
know, was just kind of like,look, like, I don't even care if
I win.
I just wanted to do it.
There were so many peoplewatching that wanted to get in on
it, you know, that we couldn'tbecause we only had X amount of pans.
So, yeah, I mean, I, I look, Ilook at it more by, by the reaction

(49:08):
at mte, the reaction online tome, you know, unless people are saying,
like, good things about it,the reaction on online, I didn't
really pay too much attentionto the reaction at MTE was what I
looked at.
And we hit a home run is theway I see it.
You know, think about this, Alex.
If you had done that with aview of, like, certain clienteles

(49:30):
and certain brands, you'd haveto bring boxing gloves for that.
There'd be a fight.
There'd be a riot.
You know, with having thatdetail meter, you know, it's.
It's.
It's going to take that humanelement out of it.
And when.
When I seen, you know, likesof Mike Phillips jumping in there
and Brian from Dura Slick andSteve Pursa and, And your.

(49:53):
But.
And your buddy Aaron Knox outthere, and, you know, I'm just glad
I beat all those guys.
The old man still gotsomething in them, don't he?
Yeah, but I got calls, andthey're like, bob, if you wasn't
sitting there screwing aroundand waving to the crowd, you probably
could have won that damn thing.
And I go, you know what?

(50:16):
I, I, I want it in my mind, Iwant it because I had fun, and I
got the crowd involved andthrew some stuff.
Adam, why?
In the process.
And it was, it was fun, youknow, and I think that's what I wanted
to accomplish is to say, hey.
You know, what I loved mostabout it was that, you know, first

(50:40):
of all, that somebody from theUS Won it, right?
Mike.
Mike Grant won it from the U.S.
but we had, we had Paulo comein second from Canada, and then we
had Mark from Australia comein third.
To me, that was that.
And.
And, you know, Brian, I think,was the other Canadian, but other
than that, everybody was herefrom the US And I thought that that

(51:02):
was, you know, great that itworked out that way, that we had
a true international podium.
Yes, you know, yes, For.
For this.
For this, you know, firstever, you know, whatever.
I mean, if we.
If it would have just been all U.
S.
Guys and, you know, whatever,it still would have been, you know,
a win.
But I.

(51:22):
I really liked that it was atrue international panel or podium.
Yes.
You know, it just showed that,you know, hey, you know, people from
all over the.
The.
The world, you know, came.
Came to this event and decided to.
To throw down and see whatthey could do.
And.
Oh, it.

(51:42):
It was a.
It was a riot.
And, you know, not only that,you know, we, you know, it gives
everybody an opportunity to.
To see what they're using andhow it compares with, like, some
of the top people in theworld, what they're using and gives
you, like, a barometer of where.
Where.
Where are you with yourproduct line.
And, you know, I know.
I know some of its techniqueand the pads and all that kind of

(52:04):
stuff, but, you know, it givesyou an idea that, hey, you know,
that top five, you know, youcould split a hair on who Every.
Every one of those top fives,from what I could see, basically
want it, you know, it.
Yeah, even the top.
Even the top 10 was, like,just there, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, it was pretty close allthe way around.
And I'll tell you what, Imean, you know, it really was a great

(52:28):
thing that we.
That we use that tool to do itbecause, yeah, you know, I.
I got to watch a lot of thepeople who.
Who competed.
I got to see a lot of thefinished pans.
And I'll tell you what, had Ibeen judging Steve, Persia would
have won that.
I thought Steve's pan wasabsolutely flawless, just from the

(52:51):
way that I looked at it.
It was a beautiful pan.
And I think Persia ended up,like, 15th or something, you know,
so it tells you, you know, how.
How the human eye isn't asgood as.
As that detailometer for.
For measuring stuff, you know,and, you know, it.
Brian called me, you know, andhe goes, my God, you were screwing

(53:14):
around, and you still beat meby five positions.
And, you know, if you know meand Brian from Duras Lake, Finn,
you know, I.
I've been messing with him allhis life.
And, you know, I had to talk him.
I said, do I need to talk youoff a ledge here?
Are you okay?
And he goes.
He goes, I suck as a detailer.

(53:35):
I go, no, you don't.
I said, your pa.
Your panel.
Actually, his was another oneof the panels that looked like.
Almost like Steve's.
It looked pretty dang good,you know, so.
Yeah, so, yeah, the human eye.
I know my eyes are older eyes,so I.
You wouldn't want me as thejudge anymore at.
I'd have some young guylooking at it.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

(53:56):
Yeah.
And I'll tell you what, those.
Those little machines are fun.
You know, I.
I just did a.
A brand new Toyota GR86 for aclient, and I coded it yesterday
for him, polished it andcoated it.
He came to pick it up today, and.
And while he was there, I waslike, oh, oh, shoot, hang on.

(54:16):
I.
I forgot.
I need to do something before.
Before you leave real quick.
And he's like, oh, okay, whatyou got?
And so I pulled out mydetailometer and I, you know, slapped
it right on the middle of the hood.
And, you know, I had a.
An 84 gloss reading 0 haze.
I had a, like a 90 almost a 98doi and a 97riq.

(54:36):
And he's like, what is that?
And so, like, I, you know, I'mkind of showing him.
He's like, oh, my God.
He's like.
He's like, not only.
Not only does it look great,but you can back it up with a.
With a machine that tells youhow good it looks.
And I said, yeah, man, youknow, like, that's just how I do
it, you know?
So.
So let's talk about that for asecond, if we could, in layman's

(54:58):
terms, it.
Measure.
It will measure the paint, right?
Okay.
So it's a pa.
It's a paint gauge.
It's also measuring the.
Well, no, no, it's not.
It won't measure paint.
No, it won't measure paint thickness.
You.
You have to.
You have to use the other tool.
You have to use the.
The.
Yeah, the paint gauge.

(55:19):
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
So it measures the definition.
The definition of the glossand the gloss.
Okay.
Any.
Anything else.
So.
So it.
So there's a couple ofdifferent things that it.
That it does.
So the four readings that wedid for.
For the competition was.

(55:40):
Was gloss haze, thedistinctness of image, which is your
image clarity, and then.
And then reflective.
Or wait, what is it?
It's riq, reflective image quality.
So then it.

(56:00):
It.
So it measures the.
It measures the lack of haze.
Right, Right.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then there's a fifth onethat we didn't use, which is R R
spec.
And then that I believe, if Iremember correctly and if Daryl listens
to it and I get it wrong, he'sprobably gonna call me up, cuss me

(56:20):
out.
I think measures like the defects.
So like, if you still had somelight swirling or, or whatever there,
and I think there might be acouple of other ones that are like
hidden kind of readings thatyou could get into with that machine.
Like, apparently it does a lot.
Does a lot.

(56:42):
But yeah, the main ones that,that we used was gloss haze reflective
image quality and then thedistinctive image quality, which
is your, your clarity andyour, your reflective image and everything.
And if you're out there andyou want to play with that, you know,
come to the Houston Shine TimeExpo, I'm gonna have it there on

(57:03):
our hood because I'm going tobe playing with it myself and anybody
that wants to, maybe we canhave a friendly competition or something,
you know.
Yeah, pre.
Pre season game, you know.
Yeah, exactly.
So, so what ended up matteringthe most in the.

(57:25):
In the competition becauseeverybody's numbers were so close,
so what ended up really kindof bring being the tiebreaker was,
was the, the doi, thedistinctive image quality or the
distinctive of image orwhatever distinctness of image.
That's what really kind ofcame down to those numbers.

(57:47):
So you could have had, let'ssay, better gloss than.
Than Mike that got number one,or you could have had a better haze
than, you know, like Persiacould have had better haze than you
or whatever.
Right.
But where it really kind ofcame down to was that doi, and that
was kind of like the, thetiebreaker number, and that was the
number that everybody kind ofgot, you know, lined up in.

(58:10):
So.
And that, that clarityreflection of.
Of that is a little bit more important.
That's why we chose thatreading as kind of the, the one that
we went by.
But yeah, I mean, and, andrealistically, I mean, I've got the
results right here.
Wait, I'm sorry, that's.

(58:31):
Let.
Let me ask.
Let me ask you something.
A few people ask me, and youmight be better fit, but the very
far right column, huh?
That's the paint that youdidn't take off like the, the was
what, what, what was that?
Because people were askingabout that particular reading.

(58:52):
Is that when you were done.
Is that.
That was.
That was your paint thicknesswhen you were done?
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
See?
So all the pans were painted.
I think all the pans weresomewhere between four and like five
and a half mils.

(59:14):
We, we wanted Them just, wewanted them to be at least over 4.
Not too crazy because wewanted to replicate OEM paint or
factory paint.
So, so that no, no one knew what.
That's the thing about me.

(59:35):
I do the history of paints andI talk about everything that you,
you, everything you got tothrow out the window if you're dealing
with a hard Audi ceramic clear paint.
Yeah, we made, we made all theinformation for the paint available
now.
People didn't, people didn'tsee it.
I got the actual, I mean, hangon a second, I'll look it up real

(01:00:00):
quick while I've got you onthe phone.
So if I, I asked, I asked theguy, my buddy who painted it, I asked
him exactly, you know, whatpaint he used, what clear coat he
used.
So he used.
Let me make sure I could find it.
So.

(01:00:20):
So the paint he used wasMetalux, just a standard black, super,
super black 9302.
He used 3M wet 1500 grit, wetwet sanding paper.
Yep.
And then he used Exalta Clear,which is a fast drying hard clear.

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Because he wanted to be ableto make sure that, you know, because
he got the pans like midDecember and mte was end of January.
Yes.
So.
And he knew it was going totake him a week or so to paint the
pans in between the otherstuff that he was doing.

(01:01:01):
So he wanted to use a hard ora fast drying clear so that we had
plenty of time that we didn'thave to worry about outgassing and
waiting 30 days or 60 days oranything like that.
So he used that Exalta paintor the exotic Exalta Clear, which
I talked to Rose and he'slike, yeah, that's a, that's a good

(01:01:24):
one.
So basically what he did washe did a, an epoxy he sent.
So he's.
Because they were aluminumpant, aluminum cookie sheets.
So he sanded, sanded thepants, he laid down an epoxy, then
he did the, the metal X paint.
Then he, then he did the, theExalta Clear.

(01:01:45):
Building it up.
Because I gave him my.
What is it?
The.
And I always get it wrong.
It's the, the paint meter thatSean Kozier sells the next, next
ng, pg, PNG or whatever.
Yeah, so I gave him, I gavehim my, my, my meter so that he could

(01:02:08):
meter him when he was done andif he needed to add more clear to
build them up or, you know, whatever.
And then like I said, any.
And then it was 15 grit hand sanded.
And, and that's, that's how wedid it.
All of them were shot thesame, Done the same, you know, Same.
Yeah.
You know, I, I, I used themetal locks on my sister's car when

(01:02:31):
she wrecked the Defender.
And you know, and it's, it'sall, it's all in that clear when
it's all I know.
We, we did a, we had, we dida, we brought a panel to mobile tech
years ago and I was an IDAtrainer, you know, and I was doing
skills validation and theybrought the hood in and I didn't,
we didn't.
With body shop painted it andthey started scuffing it with, I

(01:02:53):
don't know, real hard compound.
And they couldn't get stuff,they couldn't get it out.
They're like, we can't getthis to work.
And I'm like, what, call, callthe body shop.
What, what did he, what doyou, what do you do?
What did he say?
What did he put on there?
On the clear.
And it was like an extremelyhard, very dense, high density show

(01:03:15):
clear that was a rock hard.
And in, in that case, you hadto use like a lambswool pad with
our select system to get those out.
Yeah, that's not the realworld that we, that we really are
in.
And that's why I wanted, Iwanted my buddy to use because he

(01:03:35):
does a lot of dealership work,spot sprays and things like that.
So I wanted him to usesomething that he would, you know,
just put on a, on a, on aregular car.
Yeah.
Right.
When this competition the yearbefore was being championed by the
last person who was trying todo it, they wanted to use show clear.

(01:03:59):
And I was like, like, I don'tthink that's a smart idea.
You know, but that's, butthat's what they were thinking.
They were thinking like, oh,it's got to be show clear.
It's got to be like super hard.
It's got to be whatever, blah,blah, blah.
So I'm glad we did it the waythat we did it this year.
Next year.
I'm not sure.
Jason Rose might have a betteridea for us where, you know, some

(01:04:22):
of his, some of hisconnections with the manufacturing
industry, he might be able toget the pans painted a little more
precise through robotics andthen sanded more precise through
robotics.
So I don't know, we'll see,we'll see how that goes.

(01:04:45):
You know, if he can pull that off.
If not, then, then I'll justtake him back to my butt because
have all the pans.
So I'll just Take them back tomy buddy and just tell them to sand
it all off and start over again.
The other thing that I think that's.
That threw a lot of peopleoff, Mike Phillips being one of them,
because he kept complainingabout how hard the paint was.
It's hard paint.
It's hard paint.

(01:05:06):
Super hard.
Super hard.
And he was grinding away andgrinding away.
And I think what, you know,some people didn't understand was
underneath the pans, becausethe pans are, you know, flipped to
where you're actuallypolishing the bottom of the pan that
would sit on the oven.
Sheldon had three woodenblocks that the pan would sit over

(01:05:29):
so that you wouldn't get anybowing or bending, you know, which,
you know, was a good idea, I guess.
But I think that threw a lotof people off because then the pan
was very stiff and sturdybecause it had those wooden blocks
underneath it.
And I think it was givingpeople the wrong idea that the, that
the paint was hard because thepan was just so hard with those blocks

(01:05:54):
underneath.
Well, you know, I, I, I cut itwith a 100% lambswool with the rotary.
And that was all about, youknow, trying to get the, get the
productive, get the 1500s outas quick as possible.
So I could get on to jeweling.
But I would, I would say itwasn't the hardest clear I've ever
used.

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It was.
It was a.
Okay.
If you had soft, medium, andhard, I would say 3/4.
It's medium, 3/4 between hardened.
So it was a little harder thanthe normal paint.
But it wasn't.
I thought it was.
I thought you did a great jobin picking the, the clear.
Because it's a detail competition.
You don't want to.

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You don't want it to be too easy.
You could throw them off, too,and go with an extremely GM black
paint.
They would really be messed upbecause they would be, like, trying
to get that right.
But that would be another,Another contest in itself.
But, but, yeah, I think youdid good on the hardness, because
that's what I teach when I dothe seminars that you teach.

(01:06:57):
The hardness of paints and how to.
How that changes the wholeeverything, you know, so.
Right.
Exactly.
Yeah.
No, so, I mean, it's, it.
Listen, it was, it was fun.
I mean, I, I still like tokind of showboat a little bit, because
I did a test panel when, youknow, Sheldon was like, you know,
we got to figure out a time.

(01:07:19):
You know, we don't.
You know, some people arelike, you know, five minutes.
Some people are like seven minutes.
Some people are like 10 minutes.
You know, Sheldon's like,look, can you just take one of the
pans and can you do it and seehow long it takes you to do it?
And so I was like, yeah, okay,that's fine.
But I didn't have a way tolock the pans down or secure the

(01:07:40):
pans, so I had to hold the panone handed and run my, my Bigfoot
one handed, almost like a,like an orbital.
Because I had to, you know,hold it up on the top by the motor
versus down by the handle.
And, and I told Sheldon, I waslike, sheldon, man, I did it in like

(01:08:01):
two and a half minutes.
You know, I was like, I thinkif we do five minutes, we're fine.
And what's funny is when Imetered my one handed pan and I just
did a.
I just did.
I used Obert cut with a Rupesmicrofiber pad, and I used Obert

(01:08:23):
polish with a Oberg polishing pad.
And my numbers would haveprobably put me in top five ish,
you know, So I like to brag a little.
Bit that, like, no, that's correct.
You got to get in the arena, man.
You got to be in there.

(01:08:44):
Well, I can't because I'm apart of it.
Then everybody be like, oh,like he's a part of it.
So, you know, you're right.
I think the five minutes was,you know, I probably spent a few.
Half a minute screwing around,but, But I think the five minutes
was very fair.
Yeah.
Because, you know, you don't.
If you gave him 10, you know,we, we, we could have, we could have

(01:09:08):
really made that thing even better.
But I think, I thinkproduction efficiency, that's, that's
a fair.
You know, some people work alittle faster too.
But I think that five minutes,you don't need to mess with it.
I think, because when I gotdone, I, I remember looking at Jason
and saying, you know what wegot left?
He said 10 seconds.

(01:09:29):
And I thought, okay, I, Iwanted to wipe it.
And a lot of people don't knowthat, but my product, I left it in
my.
It froze in my back of my Suburban.
And when I went to take itoff, the final thing, it stuck.
So I was, I was trying to getit off and it was stick because,

(01:09:50):
you know, frozen productdoesn't come off very well.
But I'm not using it as an excuse.
But I'm just saying that's whyI threw the towel, because I thought,
man, this stuff's not comingoff like I like it normally does.
But I did Pretty good, though.
I mean, I'm not gonna.
Yeah, I mean, it's.
You know, that's.
That's the one thing that the.
The one change we definitelyare making for, for 26 is, is the

(01:10:13):
panel wipe.
So, you know, with the fiveminutes, we wanted you to have enough
time, but we didn't want togive you too much time.
Right.
Like you said.
Right.
Ten minutes, you know, And Itold Sheldon, I said, sheldon, if
we don't make it a shortamount of time, you know, detailers
could spend the whole weekendat MTE on these pans trying to, you

(01:10:34):
know, trying to get it perfect.
We just.
We have to.
We have to give it a shortamount of time.
And.
And so Sheldon and I kind ofmade that call.
I think Rose was shooting forthe 10 minutes.
He thought we should give themmore time.
But the change that we'regoing to make for next year is regardless
of time, all the pans need tobe wiped.

(01:10:55):
Because we didn't want to wipethe pans, and we didn't really.
We didn't really, like,discuss that in the beginning.
And so we kind of didn't wantpeople, you know, after your five
minutes, you don't touch the pan.
You know, it's kind of likepencils down, you know, you're done.
So if they wiped during thefive minutes, great.

(01:11:17):
If they didn't, then whatever.
And that's where we realized we.
We kind of messed up.
So.
So next year, it'll beregardless, you know, you can.
If you take the whole fiveminutes, we're gonna give, you know,
okay, go ahead and wipe yourpan, you know, before we.
Before we start metering it.
Well, you know, I.

(01:11:38):
I'm just talking about, youknow, racing here, and, you know,
usually the best cheater winssometimes, you know, so.
And I'm not saying nobody cheated.
I'm just saying what the wipedown will do is if somebody fortified
their product with oils andfillers, it could have.
It could have done a littlebit better on the reed.

(01:12:01):
And I think.
Why?
Because I teach that.
I teach that all the time.
Where we want to do a panel,when that car sets out on that lot,
it needs to look good for.
Until it sells.
Yeah.
So, you know, we teach that towipe them down to make sure that
you have a true finish beforeyou put the top coat or the wax or

(01:12:22):
whatever else, we want to knowthat all the swirls are out of it.
It is.
It's true.
And that would.
First of all, it wouldeliminate anybody that fortified
their top coats so that's.
Another thing we discussed iswhen you sign up, you have to.
Or so.

(01:12:42):
So when you sign up, you'llhave to register your compounds and
polishes.
Because we.
We did have somebody.
We can't prove it other thanthe fact that Jason said it tried
to sneak one by.
And the only reason why Jasondidn't disqualify him was because

(01:13:07):
it ended up hurting him.
So the person was using Unopure, which was fine because it doesn't
have any sealers or, you know,enhancers in it or whatever.
But Jason.
Jason said, that's.
That's not Uno Pure.
And I was like, really?

(01:13:27):
He goes, yeah.
And.
And it's funny because youmentioned Brian Fan, because I was
talking to Brian Fan, andBrian's like, how do you know?
And I looked at Brian, I waslike, this guy drinks probably this
stuff, you know, And.
And Jason looked at him, hegoes, I know my products, you know,
so there was.
There was something that theyhad put in the bottle or something.

(01:13:48):
But.
But the thing was, is Jasonsaid when he cut it and then he switched
to go to what was supposed tobe un.
Uno pure to finish it down, itactually hazed his pan back up.
So he's like.
It actually hurt him.
So Jason's like, that's why Ididn't disqualify him.
But we did talk about.
Because of that, we did talkabout you need to register the compounds

(01:14:14):
and polishes you're using.
And we will have unopenedbottles so that we know that there's
no tampering.
So, you know, if somebody usesrupes, obviously Jason will put that
up.
If somebody's using angel waxfor, you know, we'll go to Tommy
and, hey, Tommy, can we get a,you know, a bottle, a fresh bottle
or whatever somebody's using,you know, whatever your guys's stuff,

(01:14:36):
you know, hey, can.
Can we get, you know, unopenedbottles or whatever?
And.
And that way we can try to,you know, make sure that that doesn't
happen.
Now, again, that's what we'vetalked about.
We haven't.
You know, that was just ourmeeting after mte.
We haven't really had ameeting since.
So we'll.
We'll see where it goes from.

(01:14:57):
You know, the panel prep wouldbe something that will also provide
so that, you know, somebodycan't have a sp.
Spray wax and a panel prepbottle, you know.
Yeah.
You know, Alex, that remindsme of a couple old, you know, fat
one of those fast buy your payhere auction guys that he would.
He'd get Some checked paintthat was all checked and he'd mix

(01:15:21):
up like some Vaseline andmineral oil with diesel fuel.
And he called it the dustyroad treatment.
He would smear this all overthat check paint, you know, check
paint looks like Crowfit.
It had a white haze.
It took all that out.
And he'd send it, he'd saidthe same car to like the night auction.

(01:15:41):
And then the interior wastrash and he would take all the lights
and bust the bulbs so no onecould really see.
See what the interior looks like.
But hell, it looked like itwas on fire.
Wet.
I mean, it was wet because itreally was wet with diesel fuel and
kerosene.
And so he had this crazymixture, but he, he sold a ton of

(01:16:02):
them.
But the car was totally.
It was a total false paint.
I mean, it looked.
But I, I think about thatdusty roads treatment when I think
about, you got to wipe the,you got to wipe the panels down.
You know, we don't want any,anybody fortifying that finish, you
know, so, yeah.
So, I mean, we'll, we'll tryto tighten that up.
I think, you know, at leastthat's, We've already kind of discussed

(01:16:23):
it, so I think we'll, we'lltry to do that.
I mean, I think for the mostpart, it's.
Version two is going to bevery similar to version one.
Some minor, some minor tweaksuntil we can kind of, you know, really
hone it and, and get itrocking and rolling.
But, you know, Sheldon's,Sheldon's gonna have some more.
It did, it did really well.

(01:16:44):
You know, it, it.
No issues.
You know, that was his biggestthing for many, many years.
People kept telling him, youcan't do it.
There's going to be fightslike the egos this, the that.
So, you know, when we keptbringing it up and bringing it up
and bringing it up every yearon the podcast, it finally got out
there to where then peoplewere asking him at MTE when are we

(01:17:09):
going to do this?
We need this, the details, thedetail side needs it.
And that's, that's reallywhat, you know, kind of, you know,
broke the, the camel's back ina, in a sense, because he, he really
did not want to, want to do itbecause he was told by, you know,
higher up people in theindustry like it's going to lead
to fights.
You know, you're going tohave, you know, this, that and the

(01:17:30):
other, and.
And yeah, you, you know, Igot, I got to talk to a lot of the
guys after it and nothing but Mute.
Respect that I gave.
I gave.
I gave the respect they.
They gave me.
And most of the people came upsaid, you know, the people that were

(01:17:51):
in the arena that actually didit, they.
They got street credit with mebecause there's a lot of egos out
there, and I'm not going toname anybody, but, you know, where.
Where's these guys at when.
When something like this happens?
I'm so glad of the people thatgot into it, that even some of the
people that were not realseasoned that got into it, that gave

(01:18:15):
him the courage to get inthere and compete.
You know, with.
I think about it, you gotSteve Purse, Brian Finn.
Noxy has his own TV show, andMike Phillips.
You know, that guy'scompetition ready.
I mean, that there wasn't.
There wasn't a bunch of flakesin there that was.
Have some pretty gooddetailers in there.
So they can't.

(01:18:35):
They can't say that there wasnot good competitions.
And I'll tell you.
I'll tell you what, it was funafterwards, like, you know, having
that meter.
We.
We did a training with Noxie,like a month later, beginning of.
Beginning of March up atNoxy's place.
And Noxie was like, hey, bring.
Bring that meter with you ifyou can.
And I said, yeah, I'll bringit with you or with me.

(01:18:58):
And, you know, because hewanted to see it, he wanted to play
around with it a little bit.
And so while we.
We did this training, we had.
We had.
We had six people at the training.
So.
So Noxy, after everybody didtheir wet sanding training and the
rotary training, you know, wedid all that on Saturday, and.

(01:19:18):
And they attacked the car andwas doing all this stuff.
So Sunday we came in and.
And Noxy set up the hoods andhe goes, okay, he goes, we're gonna
do a paint correction style competition.
And he's like, winner gets ahundred bucks.
He pulled 100 bucks out of his pocket.
And so they.
We competed like.
Or they competed in twos.

(01:19:40):
And.
And when they were done, I,you know, I told him, I said, you.
Because we didn't have, youknow, a template or anything like
that they were working on.
You know, they had a spot onthe hood that they were working on.
And so I would tell them,like, okay, you know, or Knoxy was
like, point out three placesin your spot.
And I.
Alex is going to take areading in each one of those three
places.

(01:20:01):
You know, we had them takepictures of.
Of the.
The.
The detailometers with their phone.
And then when it was Done.
You know, they.
They wrote down their bestone, right?
So out of the three, theywrote down their best one.
And then I went through.
Just like we did at the.
The de.
The paint cartion competition.
I went through and, you know,figured out, you know, how.

(01:20:24):
How to do it, and we picked awinner, and that person got 100 bucks,
so.
So we had fun with it.
You know, that's.
That's a little something youmight do at your next training.
You got that?
Yeah.
You know, that, you know,getting people the confidence and,
like, you know, people that ifthey don't know Noxie.
I mean, the dude, he.
He can.
He can jewel and make paintdance, and he's no joke at all.

(01:20:46):
And Mike.
Mike Phillips and even, bro,I've seen Brian and I've done training
with Brian and Steve, and man, those.
Those guys are legit.
I mean, they really are seasoned.
You know, probably we.
Maybe we don't have the eyesthat some of the young, young bucks
have, but.
But that was a lot of fun.

(01:21:06):
Like I said, I'm so glad I did it.
And it was.
Was involved with that firstone and.
And tried to be thecheerleader and the.
The clown and a little biteverything at the same time and the
motivator.
So most of the people said,bob, you know, you're going to give
me the inspiration to do itnext year.
I said, absolutely.

(01:21:26):
That's what I hope.
So.
I hope we sell it out.
It was a slow.
It was a slow sell, you know,but once it started getting closer
and closer to mt, like,surprisingly, it sold out.
I mean, we did.
We did 20 spots, and Sheldon'slike, look, if I get 10, I'll be
happy, you know, And.
And it was.
We did 20, you know, and thenhad people begging us to sign up.

(01:21:47):
You know, we had some peoplethat ended up not showing up or.
Or didn't come for their time slot.
So we were able to take someof the people that were at MTE and
wanted to get in, because thenwe had free extra pans.
We were able to, like, takethose people.
So.
No, it.
It was.
It was great.
I'm.
I'm.
I'm excited.
Looking forward to next year.
Sheldon's gonna have morepeople working to boost, so hopefully

(01:22:10):
I don't have to.
Me and Jason don't have towork the booth as much.
I can actually do some stuffwith Aquatech and.
And float back and forth.
I'm excited to kind of, youknow, hopefully maybe just be more
of a.
Of a spectator than.
Than, you know, being A beinga part of it.
We've got a bunch of ideas.
You know, I mean, they.
They.
I don't know how we would doit, but, you know, they want to do

(01:22:34):
a.
Like a leaderboard.
Want to put, like, a TV orsome kind of something where we can
actually have a leaderboard.
I don't know how we would dothat because Daryl and Dave had to
do all those calculations at night.
You know, they had to recordeverything and then.
And then go back to theirhotel room each night and.

(01:22:54):
And download all the material.
So I don't know how we woulddo all that.
But.
But, you know, that was one ofthe ideas that was brought up to
where.
That way, you know, the peoplewalking around could see, like, okay,
who's.
Who's in first, who's insecond, you know, what's on third,
you know, whatever.
So I don't know.
You know, we'll see that.
We also talked about, youknow, Sheldon just didn't do it this

(01:23:16):
year.
We talked about, you know, for.
For next year, getting adigital clock that can kind of be
on that big wall so everybodythat's watching can actually see
the time.
Hey, you know.
You know, for us old guys, whydon't you get me a real big one about
the size of a basketball so Ican see it?
Yeah.

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I.
I'm sitting there thinking tomyself, okay, how much time do I
got left?
And just.
Jason goes, 10 seconds.
And I'm like, oh, crap.
Yeah.
I threw my buffer over, andthen I started wiping, so I thought
I had a little more time, but I.
Yeah, there's a.
There's a lot going on.
Yeah.
And you're.
And you're paying attention towhat you're doing, so you're not

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really thinking about the clock.
So that's.
That's what I liked aboutJason was real good about, you know,
two minutes in, three minutes in.
You got a minute left, 30seconds left.
You know, when Jason had torun off and do some stuff, he's like,
make sure you let them knowhow much time they got, you know,
because, you know, they're.
They're.
They're concentrated on thatpan, and they're not looking up it.

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So, you know, the couple timesI had to do it, I had to, you know,
make sure I was like, okay,two and a half minutes in.
You got one minute left.
You know, so, you know.
You know.
You know, it's funny about that.
This is a little secret.
Jason will probably hear thisand see it.
You know, Jason was gettingawful close to those Panels, and
he was getting into mypersonal space, so I.

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I had to load the pad on theedge a little more than what I normal
do.
He jumped back as soon as I.
I turned on the rotary.
And then when I was waving at him.
I don't think I ever seenJason laugh like that before.
To see Jason Rose laugh.
And when I was waving to thecrowd and it was.

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That.
That was a lot.
And Rod and Jody were losingit back there too, so that's pretty
much.
It's pretty fun.
Yeah, no, it was a blast.
Yeah.
Jason.
I remember Jason.
A few times Jason told me, I'mglad I wore my.
My waterproof pants today,because I think.
I think Mike from Mike's Marine.
Marine Care.
Marine Craft or whatever, Ithink he got him too, because he

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loaded up the.
And you know what?
That, that guy is another guruthat we didn't even met.
You know, that guy, you know,works on boats.
And like I said, he.
He's.
He's quite the character too,and a lot of fun.
And I think he's coming downto the shine time event, so.
But definitely, we'll.

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We'll have that meter down there.
We'll put anybody that wantsto come down and play with it.
Uh, yeah, we'll.
We'll scuff it.
We'll scuff some stuff up.
1500 and we'll.
We'll see what you got.
That's the way to do it, so.
Well, listen, Bob, Iappreciate you coming on and doing
this.
You know, it's something that,you know, bounced around a couple

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of times and, and schedulesjust didn't line up.
Oh, yeah.
So I'm.
I'm glad I was able to get you on.
It's always fun to talk to you.
You definitely have a wealthof knowledge, and it's always good
seeing you.
So I appreciate you for doingthis, sir.
Thank you.
Yeah, no problem.
Well, listen, you have a greatrest of your evening.

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Probably.
You're probably like myself,it's getting too close to bedtime.
Well, I got.
I got a little bit of a cold,and I was out planting my garden
today.
I got a little bit of sun onmy eyes.
Yeah, definitely got.
I got roasted a little bit.
So there you go.
Well, listen, you take care.
We'll talk to you soon and begood man.

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See you later.
Bye.
Bye.