All Episodes

July 30, 2025 50 mins

In this week´s episode Stewart Gandolf joins me to talk through what it actually takes to niche down, build a sustainable agency, and scale without losing your sanity or soul. Stewart’s been in the healthcare marketing game for over two decades, and his experience building Healthcare Success into one of the top firms in the space is loaded with tactical insight.

We talk about the trap of project-based work, how to structure your agency around recurring revenue, and why most agencies screw up their first few sales hires.

🕒 Timestamps & Topics

  • 00:00 — How Stewart got his start and why he doubled down on healthcare
  • 03:15 — Direct mail, seminars, and the early version of inbound
  • 06:40 — NLP and the psychology behind language that converts
  • 11:20 — What drove their early growth (hint: it wasn’t salespeople)
  • 13:40 — Why project work is a trap and how to transition to retainers
  • 16:00 — Right-sized clients vs. resource-sucking whales
  • 18:20 — Inbound vs. outbound: nets, spears, and the bullseye metaphor
  • 21:20 — Stewart’s playbook if he were starting from scratch today
  • 25:00 — Authority assets: reports, seminars, and content that build trust
  • 29:10 — The daisy metaphor and avoiding entrepreneurial distraction
  • 31:45 — What most agencies get wrong with their first sales hire
  • 37:10 — Traits of a great agency salesperson (and why most don’t have them)
  • 40:00 — When to stop being your own best salesperson
  • 44:15 — Strategic partnerships and the next wave of AI opportunity
  • 47:45 — Final thoughts on staying relevant when the cheese moves

A few things we covered.

  • Most agency salespeople fail, not because they’re bad, but because there’s no clear positioning to sell.

Links & Resources:

Mark as Played

Advertise With Us

Popular Podcasts

Stuff You Should Know
Dateline NBC

Dateline NBC

Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Special Summer Offer: Exclusively on Apple Podcasts, try our Dateline Premium subscription completely free for one month! With Dateline Premium, you get every episode ad-free plus exclusive bonus content.

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

On Purpose with Jay Shetty

I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!

Music, radio and podcasts, all free. Listen online or download the iHeart App.

Connect

© 2025 iHeartMedia, Inc.