October 4, 2025 • 62 mins
Ever watched a room turn with a single notification? That shift—the lingering looks, the sudden private sidebar, the joke that lands like a jab—isn’t random. It’s the ripple effect at work: one message, one rumor, one silence spreading outward until a crowd behaves like a single organism. I unpack how that pattern shows up across life—on campus, at work, in church, and online—and how conformity makes it feel normal even when it’s doing real harm.
We dig into the psychology: ripple effect as propagation, conformity as fuel. Then we map it to lived moments—cyber harassment that bleeds into real-world stalking; group projects seeded with triggers; break-room whispers choreographed by group chats; and spiritual spaces where hospitality gets repurposed as theatre. Along the way, I call out the role of tech: algorithms amplifying outrage, plants nudging creators, and the way a few “facts” mixed with fiction can steer a whole network. Authority figures and professionals appear in this story too—some choosing denial or mockery when their voice could have broken the chain. The cost of silence is high; the bill is paid by the target’s safety, dignity, and mental health.
So what actually helps? Specific refusals and clear choices. Decline to forward the screenshot. Remove the “joke” slide. Ask “How do we know this?” when the chat heats up. Leaders can set bright lines, enforce anti-harassment policies, and make reporting safe. Bystanders can document, escalate, or speak up—publicly if possible, anonymously if necessary. I anchor this call with a simple ethic: silence is not neutral, participation is not harmless. One honest voice can start a counter‑ripple that carries farther than fear expects.
If this resonates, share the episode with someone who needs language for what they’re seeing. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell me: what ripple will you start today?
Ever felt like your darkest fears of being watched were actually true? Well, this powerful documentation pulls back the curtain on life as a targeted individual—where privacy becomes fiction and safety an illusion. This series stands as both documentation and resistance—a refusal to be silenced despite overwhelming odds.
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MarieDestineeALaGrandeur (00:05):
Hello, welcome to the Dire-Rie of a
Sane Black Woman.
I'm Marie, your host.
Today I want to talk to youabout the ripple effect.
And the ripple effect canpertain to many things, whether
that's gossip, slander,harassment, or even silence.
So just to give you a visual,if you can just sit down and
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imagine when a stone hits thewater, ripples spread.
So that means one choice, oneword, or even one silence
doesn't stay still, right?
It moves outward, essentiallyshaping the people around us.
That, ladies and gentlemen, isthe ripple effect.
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And I remember actually, I cameacross this term actually when
I was taking a trainingessentially at work.
It was about workplaceharassment and workplace
bullying and how to spot it andyou know different things that
basically encompasses thatsubject matter.
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So when we got to the term theripple effect, they showed an
image of people essentiallyfollowing each other over a
hill.
And that hill at the end ofthat hill was nothing, right?
So they were going to actuallyfall over.
But because everyone was justblindly following each other,
they were just going with theflow, right?
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Regardless of where that wasleading them to.
And so that is what the rippleeffect is all about.
The image was essentially meantto illustrate how easily we
follow the crowd, even when itleads to harm.
And that could be harm toyourself as well as others,
right?
And so in psychology uh orworkplace training, that's what
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they use, or that's what theycall the ripple effect.
So that's what I want to talkto you about today.
I want to talk about howsilence and participation create
ripples that either upholdjustice or reinforce harm.
Now, let's define the term,right?
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So let's start with the actualdefinition of the ripple effect.
So I gave you a briefillustration of what that might
look like.
I gave you some examples.
Um, I gave you a visualexample, as well as, you know,
just basic things that peoplecan do that reflects a ripple
effect.
And so in psychology andworkplace training, the ripple
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effect is defined as thephenomenon where a single action
or event spreads outward,influencing others beyond the
immediate situation.
So, like a stone dropped inwater, the impact radiates in
waves, affecting not just thefirst person, but everyone
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connected to them.
So, in parallel, there isanother term.
So conformity.
Now, conformity is the tendencyto adjust our behavior,
attitudes, or beliefs to alignwith the group, right?
The group can be any group,right?
Whatever group you subscribeto, whatever group you're trying
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to fit in with, right?
So even when the group isclearly wrong, you basically
follow along, you go along withit, right?
And so Solomon asked, famousexperiments showed people giving
obviously incorrect answersjust because everyone else did.
So here's the connection (03:56):
the ripple effect explains how
behavior spreads, conformityexplains why people go along
with it.
And the ripple effect isn'tjust silence, it's imitation,
it's escalation, it's peopleganging up without thinking
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twice.
It's the crowd that doesn'tquestion why they're targeting
someone, they just follow thepattern.
So let's take a look at theripple effect of silence and
harm in my specific story,right?
This is the Dire-Rie of a saneblack woman.
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So I do want to give youconcrete examples in my life and
my story and what I'veexperienced and what I continue
to experience.
So as it relates to stalkingand harassment, both cyber and
in the natural, right, inperson, because again, I'm at
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the stage where it's not justcyber stalking and harassment,
it's both cyber and in-person.
And so I, if you've watchedeven my first couple of
episodes, you'll know thatessentially I'm a targeted
individual, right?
And so that alone makes me atarget for so many things.
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But in this instance, we'retalking about what I've
experienced as it relates tocyber harassment, cyber
stalking.
And so I continue to experiencethis.
So, you know, if you've evenwatched my first couple of
episodes, you'll get uh hints ofyou know my story and what I've
experienced.
So this is just another aspectof my story, basically going
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into the ripple effect.
And so, what does that looklike in a ripple effect
situation, right?
The cyber harassment, thein-person stalking, the
in-person harassment.
Well, as previously mentioned,I've experienced stalking and
harassment at work, at school,where I live, online, and pretty
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much everywhere I go, right?
So basically, nowhere is safe,right?
Not even in my home, which isso sad, right?
Where you can't even feel safein your own home.
So the most intriguing part,the most intriguing part about
this whole thing is that no oneseems to have the courage to say
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that this is wrong.
At least from what I can see,right?
Maybe there are people behindthe scenes that are saying this
is wrong.
Hey, I'm not going toparticipate in that, but pretty
much everyone seems somehow tojoin in, right?
And I can say in someinstances, even at school, I've
seen instances where people werebasically, you know, let's say
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we had a group presentation,right?
And everyone was told that wasper instructions, right?
Because that was part of mysubliminal harassment, that they
were going to do something oradd something to their slides
that would be triggering to me,or, you know, speak on a topic
to try to trigger me.
And at least I would say twoindividuals I know for one of
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the presentations we had, theydecided not to present live.
They just submitted theirpresentation and presented it to
the teacher one-on-one.
And I, my suspicions is thatthey actually did not want to
participate in the harassment,but they also didn't have the
courage to tell whoever wastelling them, hey, let's do
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this, you know, let's targetMarie.
They didn't have the courage tosay, you know what, I'm not
gonna participate in that.
I'm just gonna do mypresentation as I see fit,
right?
But I mean, to a certainextent, I guess I can appreciate
that they didn't participate init.
But, you know, I just wanted tocall out, you know, there has
been instances where people, youknow, they actually went, they
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didn't go along with the crowd,but probably not in a way that I
would say they there they werestanding up, you know, for me.
And so my suspicions in why,you know, when we look at the
ripple effect, right?
The silence or basically theripple of harm, why do people
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continue to do this?
Why do people basically goalong on the flow?
I I don't know, but mysuspicions are, right?
So if we're looking at thissituation and what I've
basically, my theory is thatwith this particular smear
campaign, there is a strategy toit, right?
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So the strategy is let's getthe person that we want to
attack Marie offend, let's getthem offended, right?
So that's the first step.
Let's get that person offendedand angry at Marie for whatever
reason, whether it's somethingthey said I said, something they
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said I did, something that theysaid I subscribed to.
And so let's get that personworked up.
And once we get them worked up,now we can program them more
effectively, and now we caninfluence them more effectively
so that they can now start totarget Marie and harass her.
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And so that is part of it.
And now, why would that personpotentially not say anything?
One, because they're offended,and so they feel like, well, you
know what, she deserves it.
But also, I think there may besituations where people still
think that it's wrong and theyknow it's wrong, but they go
along with it because, again,they want to conform, they want
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to be part of the group, theydon't want to be the one that
sticks out like a sore thumb,you know.
They want to actually feel asense of belonging, even if that
sense of belonging means doingwhat's wrong, even if that sense
of belonging means hurtingsomeone else.
And in other instances, youhave people that were, you know,
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probably blackmailed intobasically going along with the
flow.
You know, maybe they were told,hey, we know this information
about you, and if you do this orif you go there, we're going to
basically share thatinformation.
And I've had suspicions of thathappening, right?
So where I previously lived, Ihad an app that I use um for a
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variety of different things.
And there were two individualsthat actually helped me with
different things before.
And there was a time when I onetime I tried, I was trying to
get them to come in to help mewith something.
And every single time, my youknow, that appointment kept
getting canceled, and I couldn'tunderstand why.
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And I obviously I knew why,because obviously I'm a target,
and so they were targeting, youknow, that particular
appointment.
And so when I looked into it, Iwent into the app and these
people like I've used thembefore, but then all it all of a
sudden I couldn't even seetheir profiles.
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And so I was like, wait aminute.
And one of the individualsactually knows about like my
whole story about me being atarget and everything.
So if anything, he would havebeen the first person I would
think to call to call me or toreach out and say, Hey, Marie,
now I see what you're talkingabout.
Like they reached out to metoo.
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But I think what happened isthat they probably threatened
him.
They probably said, Hey, weknow this about you, or whatever
it was that they had on him.
And, you know, he was justlike, okay, I'm canceling this,
I'm removing my profile orwhatever, so that, you know, she
can't book me anymore, orwhatever it was, you know?
And so you have that.
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So there's like instances wherethey could actually blackmail
somebody.
And some people they're justafraid because they're like,
wow, if they can do that to her,whoever's doing this, I don't
want to get on their bad side.
I'm just gonna, you know, noteven stay out of it.
I'm gonna join so that I won'tever, you know, come to mind as
a target, right?
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Because I would think if youlike, let's say, just for me,
maybe if I was someone that was,if I was afraid that, look, I
don't want to get into it, Idon't want to become the next
target, I don't think I wouldhave joined like the harassment.
I don't think I would join theharassment or the the stalking.
I would probably step aside,but that's just me.
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That's what I think I wouldhave would do if I was in that
particular situation or if thetables were turned.
Now, as far as workplaceexperiences, right?
So, because I mean, again, thistraining was done in the
workplace, and so in myworkplace, right, specifically
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where that training occurred, noone, no one stepped up, no one
said anything to me, regardlessof their ethnicity, no one
stepped up.
And, you know, they basicallystayed silent.
I became suspicious of it, youknow, I guess really towards the
end, because for a long time,you know, my focus were actually
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on the students at myuniversity because they were
really explicit about their whatthey were doing, and it was
just very obvious.
And I didn't speak to anyone atwork about what was going on
because obviously I'm like,okay, I don't want to bring my
problems into work.
I'm I want to try to stayfocused on work as I'm at work,
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and I didn't realize the wholetime there was basically
collaborations between thedifferent groups that, you know,
I don't know at what point theyintegrated, but it seems like
there was an integration thathappened and that, you know,
there was collaboration andpeople were actually actively
both at work and school, youknow, basically ganging up on
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me.
And so when people stay silent,you know, when they stay silent
and they don't step in, that'salso part of conformity because,
you know, they don't want to bethat person that is
non-conforming, right?
They don't want to be, theywant to be, in my opinion,
right?
Because I'm talking about,right, you would think certain
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people would quote unquote beyour ally because maybe you
share certain demographics withthem or certain things that you
share with them that you thinkthat you have in common would
make them, you know, be an allyor at least give you a heads up,
right?
But no, that wasn't the case.
And in my situation, you know,I think in some instances people
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want to be that model employee,right?
And so, you know, I'm a I'm ablack woman.
And so in in this instance,there was in my group, right?
I didn't directly work withthis person, but there was a
black employee there, a blackfemale.
And, you know, she she neversaid anything to me.
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And now looking back, I realizethat she was very aware of
what's what was going on.
And, you know, sometimes, Imean, we've we've heard this
before, like, you know, somepeople want to be that model
black employee or the modelminority, right?
And so I think, you know,potentially that's this the
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situation that she was in.
Because unfortunately, in theindustry that I worked in, and
and you know, diversity isscarce, and where there is
diversity, it's usually inentry-level roles or you know,
support roles and things of thatnature.
As you go up, diversity is notreally prevalent.
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So, you know, sometimes I guesspeople have to look out for
themselves, right?
So they're trying to look outfor themselves, they want to
look good.
And I think, you know, she alsowants to portray herself, or
she probably wanted to portrayherself as the model black
employee.
Look, I'm not like that blackperson, you know, I'm different.
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And, you know, I can't, to acertain extent, you know, I
can't completely blame her fornot speaking up because I
understand that, you know, shehas a responsibility, you know,
she has responsibility, she hasa child and things like that.
So maybe she felt like if shedidn't conform, that maybe that
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could mean that she would lose apaycheck and that she would not
have a job where she wouldn'tget the promotion or she
wouldn't get asked to be apermanent employee.
But, you know, even still, Istill think that there could
have still been a way to give afellow colleague, you know,
someone that basically lookslike you a heads up without
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jeopardizing yourself, right?
I think actually it was theopposite because I think even
outside of this situation, Ithink there was one time she
joined a meeting just basicallyto go back and feed information
and to say that maybe I wasn'tcompetent enough to handle my
particular role.
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And so just looking at all ofthis, so that basically proves
my point in terms of like, okay,the token black person, the
model employee kind ofsituation.
And so, you know, that that'sessentially maybe like if I had
to make sense of why did she notspeak up?
Why did she go along with thecrowd, even though this was a
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woman, a black woman, a womanthat looked like me.
She didn't speak up for me, butshe actually, you know, went
along with it and basically, youknow, kept silent.
And so, see, you know, thatthat that's that's pretty much
it, you know, for that story.
I mean, I I could go on and onand on about like the model
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employee or the token blackperson, you know, even one other
example I'll probably, youknow, share here.
I think it's it's stillrelevant.
If we look at, you know, ifwe're looking at, okay, the
model black person or the tokenblack person, right?
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Because they want to be theonly black person in that
particular department, or theywant to be that black person
that, oh, see, I'm not like themsituation.
Looking back, before I didn'trealize this, but now looking
back, right?
They say that hindsight is2020, right?
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And so now looking back ateverything that's happened, and
this particular employee, sheher hair was natural, and she
always wore it back, you know,in a bun.
I think maybe she wore it outnaturally a few times, but for
the most part, she's she's wornit in a bun.
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And all of a sudden, I noticedthat you know her hair was blown
out and pressed, and you know,I just thought, oh, okay, yeah,
she got a haircut or whatever.
And I think we had photos, andI thought it was maybe for the
pictures or whatever, but no,now that I'm looking back, you
know, I think it was also basedon things that were being shared
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about me, whether they werevisual things or different
things that were being saidabout my hair or my hair texture
and things like that.
And she didn't want to fall inthat category.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'mnot against pressing your hair.
Look, my hair is natural, butI've blown my hair out, I've
pressed it, you know, I've wornwigs, I've worn braids, I've
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gotten relaxers in the past.
So I'm pretty versatile when itcomes to hair, but my hairstyle
does not, like whateverhairstyle I choose, at least
that's how I feel, is notreflective on how other people
would look at me and to say,well, okay, she's the model
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black person because okay, herhair is straight, kind of
situation.
But now, reflecting back, Ithink that's what it was all
about.
Because of all of the thingslike the breadcrumbs that I've
gotten and things that I'veseen, that okay, there were
discussions about my hair and myhair texture, my wig, you know,
that I wore at the time andthings of that nature.
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And so, yeah, I think that'sprobably what, you know,
influenced her to do that.
And so that again goes back tothe conformity piece, right?
We're talking about the rippleeffect, but we're also talking
about conforming.
So now I've also noticed thisin other settings as well,
right?
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So when we're talking about theripple effect and people not
doing what's right.
So in other settings, so thisindividual clearly knew they
were talking about me, sharingthings about me, even images,
but you know, they said nothingbecause I would see the
whispers, the sudden, let's allgo to break to the break room
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invitation, except, you know, Iwasn't invited to go to the
break room, right?
So that was about like thelatest gossip or whatever.
So this is still in theworkplace setting where, you
know, I would notice, okay,someone has their phone and that
whole phone phenomena thing.
I noticed it, but at thatpoint, I didn't realize that was
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that's what was happening,right?
Where someone would get sometype of message, and then it's
almost like a GPS where they'rebasically trying to download the
information, but they're comingcloser and closer to you.
And so one of my colleagues,she was in the room with me, and
then she started going crazy onher phone, and then I realized
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she went to the to the meetingroom next to me, and then she
was, you know, downloading,downloading, downloading,
whatever it is that she wasdoing, and then I guess she came
across an image or she cameacross something, and you know,
at that point she basicallycalled everyone to go, you know,
for a walk or a break room, andthen you know, they shared what
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they shared, right?
They shared their gossip orwhatever, and it was obvious
that it was about me.
And, you know, that's happenedin a few instances.
Also, there were comments made,you know, by certain people
that were pretty senior.
Now that I look back on thecomments that were made, it
leads me to believe that theyalso knew what was going on, but
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they never, you know, theydidn't speak up, right?
When they should have.
And so outside of the worksetting, I've also experienced
that in church settings, right?
Whether it be in-person church,online Zoom sessions, whether
it's like a course, a prayer,workshop, your regular social
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media platforms, you know, I'venoticed that kind of ripple
situation where one person willget something and it'll trigger
basically other people tobasically start gossiping,
sharing screens, sharinginformation, smirking, laughing.
And in the social mediasetting, right?
Let's just take YouTube, forexample, right?
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Where the person, you know,that is basically monitoring me,
whatever they're using tomonitor me, they'll notice that
okay, she watches thisparticular channel or she
follows this particular person.
Now let's try to infiltratethat person's channel and let's
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try to taint, you know, Marie'simage, and so that she'll feel
uncomfortable, so that she'llfeel uncomfortable to follow.
So that is also sort of part ofthe target, right?
Part of the tactic ofisolation.
So not only do you do are theytrying to isolate me from like
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in-person activities, but alsoonline communities, right?
So now you have somewhere whereyou have a plant, right?
Someone, the an audience memberis basically a plant.
And so they try to get to thehost's ears and they try to
taint their their perception.
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And so the host will eitherwillfully participate, or you
know, they might be manipulated,you know, because they've been
compromised and they've beencompromised either by their
algorithm or someone sent themsomething, right?
Or someone basically directly,you know, someone was in their
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ear, basically telling themsomething, and they didn't
realize that that person was aplant, and it was basically all
intentional.
And so I've seen that.
And so in those instances, too,you know, no one speaks up.
It's just basically, again, thewhole ripple effect.
Everyone is basically goingalong with the flow.
Let's just target this person.
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And, you know, in in withinchurch settings, I've been in
settings where we're having likedeep discussions about
spirituality and things of thatnature, conversations about
being accepting and forgiving.
And once that text messagecomes through, the dynamics
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change, right?
And I've been ridiculed byfellow church members, those
I've either just met, but alsothose that seemed welcoming, but
were just doing it to make mepart of their circus, right?
And so they didn't act anydifferent than the quote unquote
world, right?
In fact, I would say they actedworse because they put me in
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harm's way by basically in onesituation inviting me to
something, right, that seemedlike a good time to fellowship.
And, you know, actually, I whenI was invited to this
fellowship event, I I kind ofsecond guessed it.
I was just like, you know,because at the time I was just,
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you know, I was unpacking.
I had just moved, and I waslike, oh man, you know, I'm in
the middle of unpacking.
I don't know if this is a goodtime.
But, you know, I was like, oh,you know, this is a good time,
you know, to fellowship, to meetpeople, and you know, this
person actually reached out tome.
And so, you know, let me not bethat way.
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And although I had, you know,some concerns because I did see
her in her car at one timedownloading stuff, but I was
just like, hey, you know,everyone's getting these
messages.
So I mean, I guess, you know,out of curiosity, she might
just, you know, be downloadingor whatever.
Because as soon as she saw me,she basically turned her car off
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and walked in behind me.
But, you know, even with that,I was just like, hey, you know,
maybe she she's not like that.
Maybe she's like, okay, let'ssee what Marie's really about
outside of whatever messagesI've received.
And no, that wasn't the case.
I was invited to a session, toa, you know, to a fellowship
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event.
And, you know, I, you know,from the the it was it was a
Bible study, but you know,within the Bible study, you
know, they also have like foodand things like that.
But everything about thesetting was a setup.
It was a setup.
It was a scheme that Todd setup to come to me with the BS,
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right?
So it was a scheme.
So basically, you know, fromeven the food choices that they
had, it was basically subtleharassment to, you know, topics
of discussion or people thatwere reflecting, and it was just
like, you know, they werereflecting on scriptures, but
then using their selves, youknow, this is, oh, you know, for
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me, this happened, blah, blah,blah.
And then I'm like, wait aminute, like this sounds kind of
like my story.
So is it really your story?
Is it a coincidence that wehave the same story or we've
been feeling the same way, or isit you're just basically trying
to, you know, throw it in myface.
And in that event, too, therewas an individual that I've
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never seen before at the church.
And I don't know if the peoplethat were actually hosting the
fellowship invited her, orbecause, you know, obviously my
messages and everything arebeing stopped that they noticed
that I was gonna be at thisevent, and so they sent this
other person basically toinfiltrate the event because
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they've done that before, right?
So you have two two twodifferent things happening at
the same time.
You have a new person, youknow, that I've never seen that
basically went came in just tofollow me because they knew I
was gonna be there, and then youhave people that you know I've
spoken to before I've met thatbasically were setting me up for
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their circus.
And, you know, again, that'shappened before.
Um, like I said in one of myepisodes, that people have
followed me, like have actuallytaken off from work because they
knew, oh, she's gonna be atthis Bible study.
And so they've taken off fromwork.
And I've had that happen acouple of times, or you know, I
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see people come in, you know,we're in the middle of the Bible
study and they're coming inpretty.
Late, and I'm like, hmm.
And it's not a person thatusually comes to the church and
they show up because I'm there.
And so someone sent them to gothere.
And so that's kind of likethings that, you know, I've
experienced or whatever.
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But, you know, just not to gooff on a tangent about this, my
whole point is that regardlessof the different settings that,
you know, I've gone, I've gonethrough the examples of work or
church.
There still seems to be like aripple effect where, and it's a
ripple of harm, right?
A ripple of harm, a ripple ofsilence where no one is speaking
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up.
No one is coming to me.
Oh, Marie, I've received thismessage and it's saying that
it's about you.
Oh, I received this.
It seems like you're you'vebeen hacked or, you know,
something's off, right?
No one is speaking up.
No one is doing what I wouldsay is right, and they're
actually rippling harm andrippling silence.
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In addition to that, I wouldsay some of the leaders, right?
Some of the Christian leadershave participated in this
situation, not specifically inthat particular church example
that I g I've given, but injust, you know, various church
settings.
I believe some leaders havekept quiet.
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And in that particular uhchurch setting, I think some of
the leaders, and I told them, Ibasically told them my whole
story.
And I think they still keptquiet about certain things.
And I even asked them, I said,have you received anything?
Have you received any messages?
They told me no.
And, you know, so they say, butI mean, I believe that I've
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actually seen, you know, atleast one person receive a
message and basically get adirection to go to where I was
sitting so that she can confirmthat, okay, this message is
about this person.
And so, you know, that is theexample for the church setting.
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As far as authorities areconcerned, you know, I don't
know to what extent that maybemy teachers or things like that,
what they knew at the time whenI was reporting it, but you
know, obviously, I've been in asituation where it was a lot of
very dismissive and or someinstances I felt like it was
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victim blaming and things ofthat nature.
And, you know, I've beenlabeled, you know, as prideful
or just different things, right?
Now, as far as police isconcerned, where I previously
lived, one of the instances whenI went to the precinct and I
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came back, I think I went andthen I came back as a follow-up.
I forgot what I went back for.
I think he had asked me aboutsome information, and then I
came back either with theinformation or I came back to
confirm something.
And when I went back, thepolice officer was smirking.
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And I was just kind of like,okay, like why is he smirking?
Like, what's going on?
And then I I was looking at himlike directly, and then he
walked back, like to the backroom to laugh.
And I could see him.
And I actually confronted himabout that.
And I even told, I think I hadanother, I had a follow-up
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meeting with them because I thenfollowed it up with an actual
formal complaint and letter.
And at that point, I wasspeaking to the detective, and I
spoke to the detective aboutit.
I said, Look, one of yourofficers, you know, your officer
was laughing.
He was smirking.
And he said, Oh no, you know, Isaid, Well, maybe he received
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one of the messages that I'mactually telling you about, and
you're saying you don't have anyproof.
I said, Maybe he received oneof the vulgar messages or what
have you.
And he said, No.
I said, also, you know, maybeit was about something else
because I'm like, okay, maybethey think I'm like, you know,
insane, right?
He's like, well, maybe, youknow, it was probably the
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latter.
Maybe they thought maybe you'renot in your right mind or
something.
I said, because I did overhearyou ask a question on the
speaker, and I said, you know, II I heard what she said, and he
was like, Oh, yeah, maybe itwas that or whatever.
So, you know, in any event.
So, I mean, look, it's like,where do you go, right?
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When people are not taking youseriously, or, you know, they're
just basically going on withthe flow, they're not speaking
up, they're receiving messagestoo.
They're in like they're anauthority figure, but they're
not basically speaking up.
And, you know, when it comes tolike friends and family
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dynamics, I mean, Iunfortunately I can I can say at
least one member of my familythat I know for a fact that has
received these messages and thatis actively participating.
And I've noticed, I'vewitnessed this person actually
disseminate information, andI've seen him do it.
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At least one person.
Now, if there are more, I don'tknow.
Hopefully, there isn't, butobviously, what do they say?
What's the saying?
Where there's smoke, there'sfire.
I don't know.
So you have that.
As far as friends andacquaintances are concerned, I
mean, I have suspicions aboutcertain people that may be
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participating in certain thingsjust because of their behavior,
of when I receive certain phonecalls, like you know, so that
that just basically flags it asmonitoring, you know, there's
like a monitoring spirit behindit kind of situation, as well as
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things that I think that wasrevealed to me in the spirit way
before this blew up, right?
And so, excuse me, and so if Ican look back and just reflect,
and so if I can look back andbasically just reflect on, okay,
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what God showed me in thespirit and what's happening now,
and you know, their behavior,now I can kind of piece it
together.
Because sometimes you might seesomething in the spirit, or you
know, God might downloadsomething and in you, and you
might be like, no, you know,that person wouldn't do that, or
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no, you know, maybe it's justlike, you know, it's that's not
what it means.
Maybe it's something else,right?
But now that, you know, fastforward a year later, months
later, what was revealed to melooks like what it actually is,
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right?
So that's that.
As far as class or classmatesare concerned, in terms of the
ripple effect, right?
So I gave the example aboutthat token black person example,
and how you know I wasactually, you know, now looking
back, I'm like, wow, evenanother black woman would
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actually go along with this andnot say anything.
And unfortunately, in all ofthe this whole harassment, cyber
stalking campaign, like youhave a lot of black people who
are actually targeting me too.
You have a lot of black people,a lot of women that are
targeting me too.
So it's not, it's not, it's notonly like non-black people who
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are targeting me.
You have black people that aretargeting me.
Everyone is targeting me forsomething else, for something
different, because you know,they've been basically a
programmed and influenced totarget me.
They knew what buttons to pushto get them worked up and to
make me a target.
And some people, you know, theyjust go with the flow and just
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conform, right?
So as far as class isconcerned, there were people who
participated and said nothing.
And and I can say that withinthat setting, the demographics
of students included a varietyof different people.
So we had a police officer inthe program.
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There was a doctor ofpsychology who's, you know,
Afro-Latino, and other people ofother people of color that were
in the program.
Majority of the people in theprogram were women.
We had a HR director.
So that's just to give you likemore context.
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These are all people, right?
In in in in our world, in theworld that we live in, these are
all people that are supposed toprotect, supposed to do what's
right, that that are supposed tostand up, you know, for people
that are being persecuted andoppressed.
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But these people were activelyparticipating in the harassment,
right?
And so that's just to give youmore context as to, okay, this
ripple effect, you have thisdemographic of people, you know,
from different backgrounds anddifferent ethnicities and things
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like that, but they were allbasically participating
willfully in targeting Murray.
And then in the instance of thedoctor of psychology, this
particular person, at one point,actually, he seemingly stood up
for me briefly.
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And that was when I called whatwas happening in class, and
this was basically it was theend of the semester, and we were
just reflecting back on, youknow, what we've learned and
things like that.
And I chose that as my momentto basically reflect on the
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harassment and things that werehappening to me.
And I spoke out in class and Ispoke about, and I actually used
that quote, you know, the mostdisrespected person is the black
woman and things like that.
And, you know, I went over myspiel about, you know, being,
you know, stalked and harassedand things like that.
And he spoke up briefly, andyou know, the the professor
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actually in class, he was tryingto silence me actually and
victim blame me.
He was like, okay, yeah, yeah,we'll talk about it another
time.
And he was actually victimblaming me because someone had
made a comment because this wasa Zoom class right after I said
it.
You know, someone made acomment about spy school, right?
And spy school, and it's justlike the timing, right?
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So the timing of it, you know,I'm here I am talking about what
I've gone through, and youknow, you're making this
comment.
To me, that felt like, yeah,you were it was a subliminal.
Although, you know, the theteacher was saying, well, my my
son was talking to me about spyschool and things like that.
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And so that's what, no, no, no.
You know, this was targeted.
This was targeted.
And the the the the interestingthing about it, like a lot of
people, they message meprivately, right?
They didn't message me so thatthe the whole group could see
it.
That, you know, oh, I'm sorrythis is happening to you.
There was another woman, she'sLatina, she reached out to me
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and actually she worked for theuniversity.
She was part of, I think, thethe DEI department or something
like that.
She reached out to me and shewas like, Oh, I'm sorry this is
happening to you.
Oh, that's so sad.
I hope I haven't done anythingto offend you.
Meanwhile, she's activelyparticipating in the harassment.
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So there was a lot of, youknow, phonies, a lot of people,
you know, basically theythought, I think what happened,
why people, some of the peoplethat were participating were
standing up is because theythought, oh no, she's on to us
and you know, she's speaking up.
She might have somethingweighty enough to, you know, get
us all in trouble.
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So now let me try to get on hergood side.
Right?
So I was just like, okay, yeah,I I can't, I can't trust you.
I can't, you know what I mean?
And there was another blackwoman too of Caribbean descent
that was also activelyparticipating.
And she was an older woman, andit's just kind of like, wow,
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there's no age limit for peopleto do these things.
Like, she should be the ones,the one that would be saying,
Well, you know, guys, like you,we shouldn't be doing this to
this woman or whatever.
No, she was actually activelyparticipating, but then she
private messaged me saying, Oh,yeah, I'm sorry this is
happening.
Meanwhile, she was part of it.
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So, yeah, it it didn't matter,you know, what their profession
was, you know, what theyidentified as in terms of
ethnicity or you know, sexualorientation or what have you,
they were all basically umparticipating.
And then, like going back tothat doctor that spoke up, it
was brief because I think maybea couple of days later, you
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know, we we I think it was acouple of days later, I think we
had met up because I was like,oh, okay, like I have an ally
now.
You know, I wanted to speak tohim about what happened.
And then he started to tell me,oh, you know, Marie, maybe
you're being paranoid about it,right?
The doctor of psychology.
And he knew it was happening.
He knew it was happening, butnow he basically all of a sudden
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had a change of heart.
And I think this is my justtheory here.
I think maybe someone mighthave gotten back to him and
threatened him, and so he wasprobably like, Oh, okay, I
better keep quiet because Idon't want to be the next
target.
I don't know.
But he was one of the people,like in the beginning of this
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episode, I mentioned that in theclass setting there were
instances where people didn'tparticipate but they didn't
speak up, right?
So he was one of the peoplethat I would say in one of the
classes where we had that finalpresentation where he decided
not to participate in the classpresentation and he did a
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one-on-one presentation with theprofessor because I believe he
didn't want to be one of thesepeople that were basically using
their presentation tosubliminally harass me.
So, I mean, I guess I could saythank you for that, but you
know, if you had information tospeak up and you didn't, and you
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were actually adding to thepsychological harassment, even
after I said, you know, Ibasically expressed what I was
going through.
You know, I was going throughthese things.
You were receiving thesemessages too, you were receiving
the images and things likethat, and you didn't speak up,
and you're supposed to behelping people with mental
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wellness and psychology, and youactually contributed to my
trauma.
So, shame on you for that,Doctor of Psychology.
So, in any event, so that isbasically, you know, the
examples that I have as itrelates to the ripple effect in
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the school setting, and that'sjust a few examples, right?
That's not just like in-depthexamples, but hey, you know, I
just want to give examples indifferent settings of how people
conform and how you know onestudent will basically share.
We had some ringleaders, right,in the class that would
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basically anytime I would itwould be a new class and there
would be new students, theywould taint them and they would
start sharing information withthem.
Now, as far as like where I'velived in the past, you know,
I've asked a few neighbors, notnot too many, you know, I've
mentioned that okay, this ishappening.
Um, if you know anything,please let me know.
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And nothing, no one spoke up.
No one spoke up.
I do think some people weresincere because they didn't
know, because these people, Ibelieve, were not targeted or
were not enlisted in thetargeting campaign because they
knew that I had a closerelationship with those people,
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and so they didn't try to reachout to them.
But, you know, there werepeople that I believe knew that
didn't say anything, and nowthat could have been because
they were, you know, protectingthemselves because they didn't
want to be, you know, that nexttarget.
And hey, I can't blame them forthat, but you know, you know, I
guess some deep down inside Iwish someone would speak up or
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would have spoken up somehowsomehow, even if it was
anonymously, right?
So now, as I've said before,I'm not a perfect victim, right?
So I know that some people thatmay have come across content or
information on their phone thatmay have been offended.
And, you know, I would thinkthey would have asked me, right?
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And whether if it's, you know,if everything they said, I said,
I said, or if I subscribe toeverything, I still don't think
that warrants the abuse and thetreatment that I've been
getting, the violation of myprivacy, the human rights
violation, even if every singlething that has been put out
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there is true, the treatment,the human rights violation is
not right.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what youthink I am, who you think I am,
what beliefs you think I have,the treatment is not right.
The treatment is wrong.
The treatment is wrong.
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And a lot of the things thatare happening, right?
Maybe not the the end result,right?
Uh maybe not what you'reseeing, but how they came about
it is there are a lot of legal,illegal things that are
happening, you know, within thatcontext.
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Maybe you're innocentlyreceiving a message, right?
So that that aspect is notillegal, but a lot of other
things that are happening behindthe scenes are illegal, and you
know, violating someone'sprivacy, violating their human
rights, you know, contributingto digital abuse, whether that's
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digital sexual abuse and allsorts of other things, is wrong.
So, you know, I I I I don'tknow what to say.
I don't know what else to sayabout this.
I know I had put up a shortYouTube clip a few days ago just
about, you know, urging peopleto speak up, urging people, you
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know, not to conform, not to beblindly led, and not to be
intimidated, right?
Um, maybe you're beingintimidated or blackmailed, I'm
sorry if that has happened toyou.
And so, you know, obviously, II don't want you to be the next
target, obviously.
So if you feel like you'regoing to be the next target, so
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you know, be careful.
I'm not gonna ask you to tospeak up, but if you in any way,
shape, or form have the abilityto speak up, or even have the
ability to say that it's wrong,or even have the ability to not
participate, I'm just urging youto do the right thing.
I I just, you know, I don'tknow what else to say.
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I just know that this is a verystrategic campaign.
They know what buttons to push,they know how to get people
angry and upset.
And, you know, if you thinkabout the whole voting collusion
thing that they had and howpeople were being manipulated in
the elections, it's similar,right?
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So, you know, they're usingalgorithms, they're using bots,
they're using things tobasically manipulate people into
doing what they want them todo, and it's a mixture of truth
and lies.
So, you know, a little bit oftruth, some lies, and some
things are just completelyabsolutely made up.
And so, but some people theybelieve everything they see, and
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you know, again, even if everysingle thing that you saw or
that you heard or that you readis or was true, I still don't
see why or how it justifies whatis happening, what is being
done to me, and how I'm beingtargeted, and how um people are
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basically trying to destroy mylife, right, in every aspect.
It's just not right.
You know, I I've alreadymentioned social media.
I talked about the infiltrationof different things in like
whether it's a Christianplatform or whatever.
And so when you look at themanipulation that's happening,
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it's social media, it's acombination of algorithm
algorithmic manipulation, peoplesharing info on group chats,
which ends up being challengesand plants.
And and essentially becausethese people are or monitoring,
are monitoring me, right?
So they plant individuals andor contact individuals who
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listen to similar channels andhave them infiltrate and get in
the ears of these channel hosts.
So they think they are hearingfrom a genuine subscriber,
they're hearing from a plant, orthey are basically being
manipulated by the algorithmbasically to target me, and they
don't realize that it's part ofthe programming, it's part of
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the manipulation, and that'sessentially what's happening,
and that's happened.
So it's happened in every realmaspect, and I gave a lot of
examples.
I hope I didn't bore you todeath, but I just really wanted
to kind of show how in everyinstance and in every setting
where at least one person, notone person, not one person, at
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least to the best of myknowledge, right?
Again, I don't have fullvisibility.
I don't know if other peoplehave been speaking up for me and
I just don't know about it, orI don't know if other people
have been saying, hey, this iswrong, or if people would say,
hey, you know what, whatever shedid, she did.
I don't care.
I'm not gonna participate inthis.
Maybe there there are peoplethat is doing that, but I'm not
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aware of it.
You know, what I'm what I'vebeen seeing is that people are
just basically followingblindly.
And so here you have the theripple effect, right?
So, you know, why is no onespeaking up again?
I think again, people areoffended by a tactic, maybe a
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text message, maybe a rumor.
And instead of questioning it,they let that offense ripple
into suspicion, and others areafraid.
They're afraid that if theyspeak up, they'll be targeted
too.
And so some may even bepressured and or threatened or
lured into participating.
Um, I mentioned that before,you know, in the example of of
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the app that I was using, youknow, for services.
So that's the ripple effect ofharm.
So it's not just silence, it'scomplicity.
And so it's people becomingpart of the very thing they once
claimed to oppose.
And it's very sad.
And I've gave examples ofpeople from different
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demographics, differentprofessions that have
participated in this things,people that you think would not
have participated, right?
I gave you an example of adoctor of psychology, right?
They're supposed to help insituations like that, they're
making it worse.
And I even saw something, itwas a post.
It was a post I saw a whileago.
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This person, is she inpsychology?
I think I don't know if she's acoach or or a therapist.
She's kind of under thatumbrella, not necessarily a
doctor, and she was basicallytrolling online, and it was on
her LinkedIn profile, actually.
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And I was very disgusted bythis because this is again
someone that's supposed to behelping individuals um that deal
with trauma, that deal withthis kind of situation, and
you're actually participating inthis.
So, you know, I'm just callingfor people to speak up or at the
very least, think for yourselfas opposed to going on with the
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crowd.
Maybe you think you're goingyou're think you're thinking for
yourself, but I'm I'm here totell you you're being
manipulated.
And, you know, I as I said, mymy privacy has been violated.
I I think that you know this isa human rights violation.
It's not, it's not, it's notexposure.
Oh, it's not about beingexposed, or you know, people
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talk about this all the time,yeah, you know, or I've I've
seen oh reckoning.
Reckoning of what?
Reckoning of what?
Reckoning of what?
Your God, your God now,reckoning of what?
I think, you know, it's notexposure because it's like
you're doing something, you'redoing something, you're
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willfully participating inviolating someone's privacy,
human rights, and you'recontributing to abuse, right?
Different types of digitalabuse, right?
Whether it's hacking, your yourphone is being used as a botnet
to hack into someone's network,right?
You're accessing someone'sinformation that is not supposed
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to be consumed, you know,something, you know, the most
private moments of someone'slife is being basically
disseminated online.
And it's not about informationthat was leaked, right?
It's information that isconstantly being extracted
because I tell you, I kid younot, every single day people are
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coming to where I live, theyare parking outside of my
apartment, basically, to try toextract information, you know,
and it's it's everywhere, it'severywhere I go.
So, I mean, I just want toclose out with a few scriptures
about speaking up.
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And I shared those scriptureson the post that I made the
other day on YouTube, and theywere just like visual
scriptures, but I just want tospeak those scriptures out loud,
and it's just a couple.
We see here, we're gonna seethat the word of God doesn't
leave us room to stay silent orto participate in evil.
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And some people may thinkthey're doing the work of God
because they're exposing a witchor whatever, right?
Because some people want tocall me a witch, right?
You could do whatever, you cancall me whatever.
Even if I was a witch, whateveryou're doing to me, I don't
deserve it, and it's not right,it's not right in God's eyes
either.
It's not right in God's eyes.
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So, right, so learn to doright, seek justice, defend the
oppressed, take up the cause ofthe fatherless, plead the case
of the widow.
That's from Isaiah 1:17.
And Proverbs 31, 8 to 9 says,speak up for those who cannot
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speak up for themselves, for therights of all who are
destitute.
Speak up and judge fairly,defend the rights of the poor
and needy.
These verses are clear.
God calls us to defend, Godcalls us to speak, God calls us
to act, and to break the rippleof harm with a ripple of
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justice, to refuse both silenceand participation.
So that is my call out, right?
This is what I'm calling out,you know.
Speak up.
I mean, the the the enemy'sstrategy is simple, right?
It's offense, manipulation,intimidation, threats.
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These are tactics of control.
They condition people to rippleharm instead of doing what's
right.
But God has his own ripple,right?
One act of courage, one word ofcourage, you know, one prayer
of faith can shift theatmosphere.
So, you know, I I've alwaysbeen a very outspoken person.
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You know, I've always spokenout what's wrong, you know,
whether it's being done tosomeone else or myself.
So, you know, right now,because no one else is speaking
up for me, no one else is hasbeen advocating for me.
So I have to speak up formyself.
And I'm asking others to speakup.
Speak out, even if it'sanonymously.
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You know, I do understand thedynamics of the situation.
And so I don't want anyone toput themselves in harm's way.
But if you can, speak up, or atthe very least, don't
participate in the nonsense.
That's what I'm praying for.
That's what I'm asking for.
And remember, your silence isnot neutral and your
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participation is not harmless,right?
It's not just another socialmedia media post.
It's not just anotherchallenge.
Oh, it's not just you, youknow, walking outside and doing
something or subliminallyharassing me or coming or
following me to the store ordownloading information.
You are contributing to theharm.
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I'm asking, you know, for us tobreak the ripple of harm, to
break the ripple of silence.
Don't let fear, offense, ormanipulation decide your voice.
I'm asking you to refuse tojoin the crowd, at least a crowd
of uh harm, and refuse to beused, right?
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Refuse to be used for theenemy's work.
Even one voice can start a newripple, one that spreads light,
justice, and freedom.
Thank you for listening.
This is Marie, and this is thedire-rie of a sane black woman.
I hope to have more for you.
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I'll see you soon in the nextepisode.
Thank you for listening, andthank you for your patience.
I know this episode is a littlelonger, but you know, I just
needed to basically share myexperiences and and you know,
let you know all what's goingon, what I've experienced, and
what I continue to experience.
So let's stop the ripple ofharm and the ripple of silence.
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Thank you for listening.
This is the dire-rie of a saneblack woman.
Hello, welcome to the Dire-Rie of a
Sane Black Woman.
I'm Marie, your host.
Today I want to talk to youabout the ripple effect.
And the ripple effect canpertain to many things, whether
that's gossip, slander,harassment, or even silence.
So just to give you a visual,if you can just sit down and
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imagine when a stone hits thewater, ripples spread.
So that means one choice, oneword, or even one silence
doesn't stay still, right?
It moves outward, essentiallyshaping the people around us.
That, ladies and gentlemen, isthe ripple effect.
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And I remember actually, I cameacross this term actually when
I was taking a trainingessentially at work.
It was about workplaceharassment and workplace
bullying and how to spot it andyou know different things that
basically encompasses thatsubject matter.
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So when we got to the term theripple effect, they showed an
image of people essentiallyfollowing each other over a
hill.
And that hill at the end ofthat hill was nothing, right?
So they were going to actuallyfall over.
But because everyone was justblindly following each other,
they were just going with theflow, right?
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Regardless of where that wasleading them to.
And so that is what the rippleeffect is all about.
The image was essentially meantto illustrate how easily we
follow the crowd, even when itleads to harm.
And that could be harm toyourself as well as others,
right?
And so in psychology uh orworkplace training, that's what
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they use, or that's what theycall the ripple effect.
So that's what I want to talkto you about today.
I want to talk about howsilence and participation create
ripples that either upholdjustice or reinforce harm.
Now, let's define the term,right?
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So let's start with the actualdefinition of the ripple effect.
So I gave you a briefillustration of what that might
look like.
I gave you some examples.
Um, I gave you a visualexample, as well as, you know,
just basic things that peoplecan do that reflects a ripple
effect.
And so in psychology andworkplace training, the ripple
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effect is defined as thephenomenon where a single action
or event spreads outward,influencing others beyond the
immediate situation.
So, like a stone dropped inwater, the impact radiates in
waves, affecting not just thefirst person, but everyone
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connected to them.
So, in parallel, there isanother term.
So conformity.
Now, conformity is the tendencyto adjust our behavior,
attitudes, or beliefs to alignwith the group, right?
The group can be any group,right?
Whatever group you subscribeto, whatever group you're trying
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to fit in with, right?
So even when the group isclearly wrong, you basically
follow along, you go along withit, right?
And so Solomon asked, famousexperiments showed people giving
obviously incorrect answersjust because everyone else did.
So here's the connection (03:56):
the ripple effect explains how
behavior spreads, conformityexplains why people go along
with it.
And the ripple effect isn'tjust silence, it's imitation,
it's escalation, it's peopleganging up without thinking
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twice.
It's the crowd that doesn'tquestion why they're targeting
someone, they just follow thepattern.
So let's take a look at theripple effect of silence and
harm in my specific story,right?
This is the Dire-Rie of a saneblack woman.
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So I do want to give youconcrete examples in my life and
my story and what I'veexperienced and what I continue
to experience.
So as it relates to stalkingand harassment, both cyber and
in the natural, right, inperson, because again, I'm at
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the stage where it's not justcyber stalking and harassment,
it's both cyber and in-person.
And so I, if you've watchedeven my first couple of
episodes, you'll know thatessentially I'm a targeted
individual, right?
And so that alone makes me atarget for so many things.
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But in this instance, we'retalking about what I've
experienced as it relates tocyber harassment, cyber
stalking.
And so I continue to experiencethis.
So, you know, if you've evenwatched my first couple of
episodes, you'll get uh hints ofyou know my story and what I've
experienced.
So this is just another aspectof my story, basically going
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into the ripple effect.
And so, what does that looklike in a ripple effect
situation, right?
The cyber harassment, thein-person stalking, the
in-person harassment.
Well, as previously mentioned,I've experienced stalking and
harassment at work, at school,where I live, online, and pretty
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much everywhere I go, right?
So basically, nowhere is safe,right?
Not even in my home, which isso sad, right?
Where you can't even feel safein your own home.
So the most intriguing part,the most intriguing part about
this whole thing is that no oneseems to have the courage to say
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that this is wrong.
At least from what I can see,right?
Maybe there are people behindthe scenes that are saying this
is wrong.
Hey, I'm not going toparticipate in that, but pretty
much everyone seems somehow tojoin in, right?
And I can say in someinstances, even at school, I've
seen instances where people werebasically, you know, let's say
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we had a group presentation,right?
And everyone was told that wasper instructions, right?
Because that was part of mysubliminal harassment, that they
were going to do something oradd something to their slides
that would be triggering to me,or, you know, speak on a topic
to try to trigger me.
And at least I would say twoindividuals I know for one of
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the presentations we had, theydecided not to present live.
They just submitted theirpresentation and presented it to
the teacher one-on-one.
And I, my suspicions is thatthey actually did not want to
participate in the harassment,but they also didn't have the
courage to tell whoever wastelling them, hey, let's do
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this, you know, let's targetMarie.
They didn't have the courage tosay, you know what, I'm not
gonna participate in that.
I'm just gonna do mypresentation as I see fit,
right?
But I mean, to a certainextent, I guess I can appreciate
that they didn't participate init.
But, you know, I just wanted tocall out, you know, there has
been instances where people, youknow, they actually went, they
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didn't go along with the crowd,but probably not in a way that I
would say they there they werestanding up, you know, for me.
And so my suspicions in why,you know, when we look at the
ripple effect, right?
The silence or basically theripple of harm, why do people
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continue to do this?
Why do people basically goalong on the flow?
I I don't know, but mysuspicions are, right?
So if we're looking at thissituation and what I've
basically, my theory is thatwith this particular smear
campaign, there is a strategy toit, right?
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So the strategy is let's getthe person that we want to
attack Marie offend, let's getthem offended, right?
So that's the first step.
Let's get that person offendedand angry at Marie for whatever
reason, whether it's somethingthey said I said, something they
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said I did, something that theysaid I subscribed to.
And so let's get that personworked up.
And once we get them worked up,now we can program them more
effectively, and now we caninfluence them more effectively
so that they can now start totarget Marie and harass her.
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And so that is part of it.
And now, why would that personpotentially not say anything?
One, because they're offended,and so they feel like, well, you
know what, she deserves it.
But also, I think there may besituations where people still
think that it's wrong and theyknow it's wrong, but they go
along with it because, again,they want to conform, they want
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to be part of the group, theydon't want to be the one that
sticks out like a sore thumb,you know.
They want to actually feel asense of belonging, even if that
sense of belonging means doingwhat's wrong, even if that sense
of belonging means hurtingsomeone else.
And in other instances, youhave people that were, you know,
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probably blackmailed intobasically going along with the
flow.
You know, maybe they were told,hey, we know this information
about you, and if you do this orif you go there, we're going to
basically share thatinformation.
And I've had suspicions of thathappening, right?
So where I previously lived, Ihad an app that I use um for a
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variety of different things.
And there were two individualsthat actually helped me with
different things before.
And there was a time when I onetime I tried, I was trying to
get them to come in to help mewith something.
And every single time, my youknow, that appointment kept
getting canceled, and I couldn'tunderstand why.
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And I obviously I knew why,because obviously I'm a target,
and so they were targeting, youknow, that particular
appointment.
And so when I looked into it, Iwent into the app and these
people like I've used thembefore, but then all it all of a
sudden I couldn't even seetheir profiles.
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And so I was like, wait aminute.
And one of the individualsactually knows about like my
whole story about me being atarget and everything.
So if anything, he would havebeen the first person I would
think to call to call me or toreach out and say, Hey, Marie,
now I see what you're talkingabout.
Like they reached out to metoo.
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But I think what happened isthat they probably threatened
him.
They probably said, Hey, weknow this about you, or whatever
it was that they had on him.
And, you know, he was justlike, okay, I'm canceling this,
I'm removing my profile orwhatever, so that, you know, she
can't book me anymore, orwhatever it was, you know?
And so you have that.
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So there's like instances wherethey could actually blackmail
somebody.
And some people they're justafraid because they're like,
wow, if they can do that to her,whoever's doing this, I don't
want to get on their bad side.
I'm just gonna, you know, noteven stay out of it.
I'm gonna join so that I won'tever, you know, come to mind as
a target, right?
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Because I would think if youlike, let's say, just for me,
maybe if I was someone that was,if I was afraid that, look, I
don't want to get into it, Idon't want to become the next
target, I don't think I wouldhave joined like the harassment.
I don't think I would join theharassment or the the stalking.
I would probably step aside,but that's just me.
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That's what I think I wouldhave would do if I was in that
particular situation or if thetables were turned.
Now, as far as workplaceexperiences, right?
So, because I mean, again, thistraining was done in the
workplace, and so in myworkplace, right, specifically
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where that training occurred, noone, no one stepped up, no one
said anything to me, regardlessof their ethnicity, no one
stepped up.
And, you know, they basicallystayed silent.
I became suspicious of it, youknow, I guess really towards the
end, because for a long time,you know, my focus were actually
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on the students at myuniversity because they were
really explicit about their whatthey were doing, and it was
just very obvious.
And I didn't speak to anyone atwork about what was going on
because obviously I'm like,okay, I don't want to bring my
problems into work.
I'm I want to try to stayfocused on work as I'm at work,
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and I didn't realize the wholetime there was basically
collaborations between thedifferent groups that, you know,
I don't know at what point theyintegrated, but it seems like
there was an integration thathappened and that, you know,
there was collaboration andpeople were actually actively
both at work and school, youknow, basically ganging up on
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me.
And so when people stay silent,you know, when they stay silent
and they don't step in, that'salso part of conformity because,
you know, they don't want to bethat person that is
non-conforming, right?
They don't want to be, theywant to be, in my opinion,
right?
Because I'm talking about,right, you would think certain
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people would quote unquote beyour ally because maybe you
share certain demographics withthem or certain things that you
share with them that you thinkthat you have in common would
make them, you know, be an allyor at least give you a heads up,
right?
But no, that wasn't the case.
And in my situation, you know,I think in some instances people
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want to be that model employee,right?
And so, you know, I'm a I'm ablack woman.
And so in in this instance,there was in my group, right?
I didn't directly work withthis person, but there was a
black employee there, a blackfemale.
And, you know, she she neversaid anything to me.
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And now looking back, I realizethat she was very aware of
what's what was going on.
And, you know, sometimes, Imean, we've we've heard this
before, like, you know, somepeople want to be that model
black employee or the modelminority, right?
And so I think, you know,potentially that's this the
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situation that she was in.
Because unfortunately, in theindustry that I worked in, and
and you know, diversity isscarce, and where there is
diversity, it's usually inentry-level roles or you know,
support roles and things of thatnature.
As you go up, diversity is notreally prevalent.
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So, you know, sometimes I guesspeople have to look out for
themselves, right?
So they're trying to look outfor themselves, they want to
look good.
And I think, you know, she alsowants to portray herself, or
she probably wanted to portrayherself as the model black
employee.
Look, I'm not like that blackperson, you know, I'm different.
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And, you know, I can't, to acertain extent, you know, I
can't completely blame her fornot speaking up because I
understand that, you know, shehas a responsibility, you know,
she has responsibility, she hasa child and things like that.
So maybe she felt like if shedidn't conform, that maybe that
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could mean that she would lose apaycheck and that she would not
have a job where she wouldn'tget the promotion or she
wouldn't get asked to be apermanent employee.
But, you know, even still, Istill think that there could
have still been a way to give afellow colleague, you know,
someone that basically lookslike you a heads up without
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jeopardizing yourself, right?
I think actually it was theopposite because I think even
outside of this situation, Ithink there was one time she
joined a meeting just basicallyto go back and feed information
and to say that maybe I wasn'tcompetent enough to handle my
particular role.
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And so just looking at all ofthis, so that basically proves
my point in terms of like, okay,the token black person, the
model employee kind ofsituation.
And so, you know, that that'sessentially maybe like if I had
to make sense of why did she notspeak up?
Why did she go along with thecrowd, even though this was a
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woman, a black woman, a womanthat looked like me.
She didn't speak up for me, butshe actually, you know, went
along with it and basically, youknow, kept silent.
And so, see, you know, thatthat that's that's pretty much
it, you know, for that story.
I mean, I I could go on and onand on about like the model
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employee or the token blackperson, you know, even one other
example I'll probably, youknow, share here.
I think it's it's stillrelevant.
If we look at, you know, ifwe're looking at, okay, the
model black person or the tokenblack person, right?
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Because they want to be theonly black person in that
particular department, or theywant to be that black person
that, oh, see, I'm not like themsituation.
Looking back, before I didn'trealize this, but now looking
back, right?
They say that hindsight is2020, right?
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And so now looking back ateverything that's happened, and
this particular employee, sheher hair was natural, and she
always wore it back, you know,in a bun.
I think maybe she wore it outnaturally a few times, but for
the most part, she's she's wornit in a bun.
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And all of a sudden, I noticedthat you know her hair was blown
out and pressed, and you know,I just thought, oh, okay, yeah,
she got a haircut or whatever.
And I think we had photos, andI thought it was maybe for the
pictures or whatever, but no,now that I'm looking back, you
know, I think it was also basedon things that were being shared
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about me, whether they werevisual things or different
things that were being saidabout my hair or my hair texture
and things like that.
And she didn't want to fall inthat category.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'mnot against pressing your hair.
Look, my hair is natural, butI've blown my hair out, I've
pressed it, you know, I've wornwigs, I've worn braids, I've
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gotten relaxers in the past.
So I'm pretty versatile when itcomes to hair, but my hairstyle
does not, like whateverhairstyle I choose, at least
that's how I feel, is notreflective on how other people
would look at me and to say,well, okay, she's the model
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black person because okay, herhair is straight, kind of
situation.
But now, reflecting back, Ithink that's what it was all
about.
Because of all of the thingslike the breadcrumbs that I've
gotten and things that I'veseen, that okay, there were
discussions about my hair and myhair texture, my wig, you know,
that I wore at the time andthings of that nature.
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And so, yeah, I think that'sprobably what, you know,
influenced her to do that.
And so that again goes back tothe conformity piece, right?
We're talking about the rippleeffect, but we're also talking
about conforming.
So now I've also noticed thisin other settings as well,
right?
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So when we're talking about theripple effect and people not
doing what's right.
So in other settings, so thisindividual clearly knew they
were talking about me, sharingthings about me, even images,
but you know, they said nothingbecause I would see the
whispers, the sudden, let's allgo to break to the break room
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invitation, except, you know, Iwasn't invited to go to the
break room, right?
So that was about like thelatest gossip or whatever.
So this is still in theworkplace setting where, you
know, I would notice, okay,someone has their phone and that
whole phone phenomena thing.
I noticed it, but at thatpoint, I didn't realize that was
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that's what was happening,right?
Where someone would get sometype of message, and then it's
almost like a GPS where they'rebasically trying to download the
information, but they're comingcloser and closer to you.
And so one of my colleagues,she was in the room with me, and
then she started going crazy onher phone, and then I realized
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she went to the to the meetingroom next to me, and then she
was, you know, downloading,downloading, downloading,
whatever it is that she wasdoing, and then I guess she came
across an image or she cameacross something, and you know,
at that point she basicallycalled everyone to go, you know,
for a walk or a break room, andthen you know, they shared what
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they shared, right?
They shared their gossip orwhatever, and it was obvious
that it was about me.
And, you know, that's happenedin a few instances.
Also, there were comments made,you know, by certain people
that were pretty senior.
Now that I look back on thecomments that were made, it
leads me to believe that theyalso knew what was going on, but
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they never, you know, theydidn't speak up, right?
When they should have.
And so outside of the worksetting, I've also experienced
that in church settings, right?
Whether it be in-person church,online Zoom sessions, whether
it's like a course, a prayer,workshop, your regular social
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media platforms, you know, I'venoticed that kind of ripple
situation where one person willget something and it'll trigger
basically other people tobasically start gossiping,
sharing screens, sharinginformation, smirking, laughing.
And in the social mediasetting, right?
Let's just take YouTube, forexample, right?
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Where the person, you know,that is basically monitoring me,
whatever they're using tomonitor me, they'll notice that
okay, she watches thisparticular channel or she
follows this particular person.
Now let's try to infiltratethat person's channel and let's
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try to taint, you know, Marie'simage, and so that she'll feel
uncomfortable, so that she'llfeel uncomfortable to follow.
So that is also sort of part ofthe target, right?
Part of the tactic ofisolation.
So not only do you do are theytrying to isolate me from like
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in-person activities, but alsoonline communities, right?
So now you have somewhere whereyou have a plant, right?
Someone, the an audience memberis basically a plant.
And so they try to get to thehost's ears and they try to
taint their their perception.
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And so the host will eitherwillfully participate, or you
know, they might be manipulated,you know, because they've been
compromised and they've beencompromised either by their
algorithm or someone sent themsomething, right?
Or someone basically directly,you know, someone was in their
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ear, basically telling themsomething, and they didn't
realize that that person was aplant, and it was basically all
intentional.
And so I've seen that.
And so in those instances, too,you know, no one speaks up.
It's just basically, again, thewhole ripple effect.
Everyone is basically goingalong with the flow.
Let's just target this person.
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And, you know, in in withinchurch settings, I've been in
settings where we're having likedeep discussions about
spirituality and things of thatnature, conversations about
being accepting and forgiving.
And once that text messagecomes through, the dynamics
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change, right?
And I've been ridiculed byfellow church members, those
I've either just met, but alsothose that seemed welcoming, but
were just doing it to make mepart of their circus, right?
And so they didn't act anydifferent than the quote unquote
world, right?
In fact, I would say they actedworse because they put me in
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harm's way by basically in onesituation inviting me to
something, right, that seemedlike a good time to fellowship.
And, you know, actually, I whenI was invited to this
fellowship event, I I kind ofsecond guessed it.
I was just like, you know,because at the time I was just,
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you know, I was unpacking.
I had just moved, and I waslike, oh man, you know, I'm in
the middle of unpacking.
I don't know if this is a goodtime.
But, you know, I was like, oh,you know, this is a good time,
you know, to fellowship, to meetpeople, and you know, this
person actually reached out tome.
And so, you know, let me not bethat way.
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And although I had, you know,some concerns because I did see
her in her car at one timedownloading stuff, but I was
just like, hey, you know,everyone's getting these
messages.
So I mean, I guess, you know,out of curiosity, she might
just, you know, be downloadingor whatever.
Because as soon as she saw me,she basically turned her car off
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and walked in behind me.
But, you know, even with that,I was just like, hey, you know,
maybe she she's not like that.
Maybe she's like, okay, let'ssee what Marie's really about
outside of whatever messagesI've received.
And no, that wasn't the case.
I was invited to a session, toa, you know, to a fellowship
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event.
And, you know, I, you know,from the the it was it was a
Bible study, but you know,within the Bible study, you
know, they also have like foodand things like that.
But everything about thesetting was a setup.
It was a setup.
It was a scheme that Todd setup to come to me with the BS,
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right?
So it was a scheme.
So basically, you know, fromeven the food choices that they
had, it was basically subtleharassment to, you know, topics
of discussion or people thatwere reflecting, and it was just
like, you know, they werereflecting on scriptures, but
then using their selves, youknow, this is, oh, you know, for
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me, this happened, blah, blah,blah.
And then I'm like, wait aminute, like this sounds kind of
like my story.
So is it really your story?
Is it a coincidence that wehave the same story or we've
been feeling the same way, or isit you're just basically trying
to, you know, throw it in myface.
And in that event, too, therewas an individual that I've
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never seen before at the church.
And I don't know if the peoplethat were actually hosting the
fellowship invited her, orbecause, you know, obviously my
messages and everything arebeing stopped that they noticed
that I was gonna be at thisevent, and so they sent this
other person basically toinfiltrate the event because
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they've done that before, right?
So you have two two twodifferent things happening at
the same time.
You have a new person, youknow, that I've never seen that
basically went came in just tofollow me because they knew I
was gonna be there, and then youhave people that you know I've
spoken to before I've met thatbasically were setting me up for
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their circus.
And, you know, again, that'shappened before.
Um, like I said in one of myepisodes, that people have
followed me, like have actuallytaken off from work because they
knew, oh, she's gonna be atthis Bible study.
And so they've taken off fromwork.
And I've had that happen acouple of times, or you know, I
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see people come in, you know,we're in the middle of the Bible
study and they're coming inpretty.
Late, and I'm like, hmm.
And it's not a person thatusually comes to the church and
they show up because I'm there.
And so someone sent them to gothere.
And so that's kind of likethings that, you know, I've
experienced or whatever.
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But, you know, just not to gooff on a tangent about this, my
whole point is that regardlessof the different settings that,
you know, I've gone, I've gonethrough the examples of work or
church.
There still seems to be like aripple effect where, and it's a
ripple of harm, right?
A ripple of harm, a ripple ofsilence where no one is speaking
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up.
No one is coming to me.
Oh, Marie, I've received thismessage and it's saying that
it's about you.
Oh, I received this.
It seems like you're you'vebeen hacked or, you know,
something's off, right?
No one is speaking up.
No one is doing what I wouldsay is right, and they're
actually rippling harm andrippling silence.
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In addition to that, I wouldsay some of the leaders, right?
Some of the Christian leadershave participated in this
situation, not specifically inthat particular church example
that I g I've given, but injust, you know, various church
settings.
I believe some leaders havekept quiet.
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And in that particular uhchurch setting, I think some of
the leaders, and I told them, Ibasically told them my whole
story.
And I think they still keptquiet about certain things.
And I even asked them, I said,have you received anything?
Have you received any messages?
They told me no.
And, you know, so they say, butI mean, I believe that I've
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actually seen, you know, atleast one person receive a
message and basically get adirection to go to where I was
sitting so that she can confirmthat, okay, this message is
about this person.
And so, you know, that is theexample for the church setting.
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As far as authorities areconcerned, you know, I don't
know to what extent that maybemy teachers or things like that,
what they knew at the time whenI was reporting it, but you
know, obviously, I've been in asituation where it was a lot of
very dismissive and or someinstances I felt like it was
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victim blaming and things ofthat nature.
And, you know, I've beenlabeled, you know, as prideful
or just different things, right?
Now, as far as police isconcerned, where I previously
lived, one of the instances whenI went to the precinct and I
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came back, I think I went andthen I came back as a follow-up.
I forgot what I went back for.
I think he had asked me aboutsome information, and then I
came back either with theinformation or I came back to
confirm something.
And when I went back, thepolice officer was smirking.
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And I was just kind of like,okay, like why is he smirking?
Like, what's going on?
And then I I was looking at himlike directly, and then he
walked back, like to the backroom to laugh.
And I could see him.
And I actually confronted himabout that.
And I even told, I think I hadanother, I had a follow-up
(33:35):
meeting with them because I thenfollowed it up with an actual
formal complaint and letter.
And at that point, I wasspeaking to the detective, and I
spoke to the detective aboutit.
I said, Look, one of yourofficers, you know, your officer
was laughing.
He was smirking.
And he said, Oh no, you know, Isaid, Well, maybe he received
(33:59):
one of the messages that I'mactually telling you about, and
you're saying you don't have anyproof.
I said, Maybe he received oneof the vulgar messages or what
have you.
And he said, No.
I said, also, you know, maybeit was about something else
because I'm like, okay, maybethey think I'm like, you know,
insane, right?
He's like, well, maybe, youknow, it was probably the
(34:21):
latter.
Maybe they thought maybe you'renot in your right mind or
something.
I said, because I did overhearyou ask a question on the
speaker, and I said, you know, II I heard what she said, and he
was like, Oh, yeah, maybe itwas that or whatever.
So, you know, in any event.
So, I mean, look, it's like,where do you go, right?
(34:41):
When people are not taking youseriously, or, you know, they're
just basically going on withthe flow, they're not speaking
up, they're receiving messagestoo.
They're in like they're anauthority figure, but they're
not basically speaking up.
And, you know, when it comes tolike friends and family
(35:01):
dynamics, I mean, Iunfortunately I can I can say at
least one member of my familythat I know for a fact that has
received these messages and thatis actively participating.
And I've noticed, I'vewitnessed this person actually
disseminate information, andI've seen him do it.
(35:23):
At least one person.
Now, if there are more, I don'tknow.
Hopefully, there isn't, butobviously, what do they say?
What's the saying?
Where there's smoke, there'sfire.
I don't know.
So you have that.
As far as friends andacquaintances are concerned, I
mean, I have suspicions aboutcertain people that may be
(35:44):
participating in certain thingsjust because of their behavior,
of when I receive certain phonecalls, like you know, so that
that just basically flags it asmonitoring, you know, there's
like a monitoring spirit behindit kind of situation, as well as
(36:04):
things that I think that wasrevealed to me in the spirit way
before this blew up, right?
And so, excuse me, and so if Ican look back and just reflect,
and so if I can look back andbasically just reflect on, okay,
(36:27):
what God showed me in thespirit and what's happening now,
and you know, their behavior,now I can kind of piece it
together.
Because sometimes you might seesomething in the spirit, or you
know, God might downloadsomething and in you, and you
might be like, no, you know,that person wouldn't do that, or
(36:48):
no, you know, maybe it's justlike, you know, it's that's not
what it means.
Maybe it's something else,right?
But now that, you know, fastforward a year later, months
later, what was revealed to melooks like what it actually is,
(37:10):
right?
So that's that.
As far as class or classmatesare concerned, in terms of the
ripple effect, right?
So I gave the example aboutthat token black person example,
and how you know I wasactually, you know, now looking
back, I'm like, wow, evenanother black woman would
(37:33):
actually go along with this andnot say anything.
And unfortunately, in all ofthe this whole harassment, cyber
stalking campaign, like youhave a lot of black people who
are actually targeting me too.
You have a lot of black people,a lot of women that are
targeting me too.
So it's not, it's not, it's notonly like non-black people who
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are targeting me.
You have black people that aretargeting me.
Everyone is targeting me forsomething else, for something
different, because you know,they've been basically a
programmed and influenced totarget me.
They knew what buttons to pushto get them worked up and to
make me a target.
And some people, you know, theyjust go with the flow and just
(38:16):
conform, right?
So as far as class isconcerned, there were people who
participated and said nothing.
And and I can say that withinthat setting, the demographics
of students included a varietyof different people.
So we had a police officer inthe program.
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There was a doctor ofpsychology who's, you know,
Afro-Latino, and other people ofother people of color that were
in the program.
Majority of the people in theprogram were women.
We had a HR director.
So that's just to give you likemore context.
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These are all people, right?
In in in in our world, in theworld that we live in, these are
all people that are supposed toprotect, supposed to do what's
right, that that are supposed tostand up, you know, for people
that are being persecuted andoppressed.
(39:22):
But these people were activelyparticipating in the harassment,
right?
And so that's just to give youmore context as to, okay, this
ripple effect, you have thisdemographic of people, you know,
from different backgrounds anddifferent ethnicities and things
(39:45):
like that, but they were allbasically participating
willfully in targeting Murray.
And then in the instance of thedoctor of psychology, this
particular person, at one point,actually, he seemingly stood up
for me briefly.
(40:05):
And that was when I called whatwas happening in class, and
this was basically it was theend of the semester, and we were
just reflecting back on, youknow, what we've learned and
things like that.
And I chose that as my momentto basically reflect on the
(40:29):
harassment and things that werehappening to me.
And I spoke out in class and Ispoke about, and I actually used
that quote, you know, the mostdisrespected person is the black
woman and things like that.
And, you know, I went over myspiel about, you know, being,
you know, stalked and harassedand things like that.
And he spoke up briefly, andyou know, the the professor
(40:53):
actually in class, he was tryingto silence me actually and
victim blame me.
He was like, okay, yeah, yeah,we'll talk about it another
time.
And he was actually victimblaming me because someone had
made a comment because this wasa Zoom class right after I said
it.
You know, someone made acomment about spy school, right?
And spy school, and it's justlike the timing, right?
(41:17):
So the timing of it, you know,I'm here I am talking about what
I've gone through, and youknow, you're making this
comment.
To me, that felt like, yeah,you were it was a subliminal.
Although, you know, the theteacher was saying, well, my my
son was talking to me about spyschool and things like that.
(41:38):
And so that's what, no, no, no.
You know, this was targeted.
This was targeted.
And the the the the interestingthing about it, like a lot of
people, they message meprivately, right?
They didn't message me so thatthe the whole group could see
it.
That, you know, oh, I'm sorrythis is happening to you.
There was another woman, she'sLatina, she reached out to me
(42:04):
and actually she worked for theuniversity.
She was part of, I think, thethe DEI department or something
like that.
She reached out to me and shewas like, Oh, I'm sorry this is
happening to you.
Oh, that's so sad.
I hope I haven't done anythingto offend you.
Meanwhile, she's activelyparticipating in the harassment.
(42:24):
So there was a lot of, youknow, phonies, a lot of people,
you know, basically theythought, I think what happened,
why people, some of the peoplethat were participating were
standing up is because theythought, oh no, she's on to us
and you know, she's speaking up.
She might have somethingweighty enough to, you know, get
us all in trouble.
(42:45):
So now let me try to get on hergood side.
Right?
So I was just like, okay, yeah,I I can't, I can't trust you.
I can't, you know what I mean?
And there was another blackwoman too of Caribbean descent
that was also activelyparticipating.
And she was an older woman, andit's just kind of like, wow,
(43:07):
there's no age limit for peopleto do these things.
Like, she should be the ones,the one that would be saying,
Well, you know, guys, like you,we shouldn't be doing this to
this woman or whatever.
No, she was actually activelyparticipating, but then she
private messaged me saying, Oh,yeah, I'm sorry this is
happening.
Meanwhile, she was part of it.
(43:28):
So, yeah, it it didn't matter,you know, what their profession
was, you know, what theyidentified as in terms of
ethnicity or you know, sexualorientation or what have you,
they were all basically umparticipating.
And then, like going back tothat doctor that spoke up, it
was brief because I think maybea couple of days later, you
(43:51):
know, we we I think it was acouple of days later, I think we
had met up because I was like,oh, okay, like I have an ally
now.
You know, I wanted to speak tohim about what happened.
And then he started to tell me,oh, you know, Marie, maybe
you're being paranoid about it,right?
The doctor of psychology.
And he knew it was happening.
He knew it was happening, butnow he basically all of a sudden
(44:13):
had a change of heart.
And I think this is my justtheory here.
I think maybe someone mighthave gotten back to him and
threatened him, and so he wasprobably like, Oh, okay, I
better keep quiet because Idon't want to be the next
target.
I don't know.
But he was one of the people,like in the beginning of this
(44:34):
episode, I mentioned that in theclass setting there were
instances where people didn'tparticipate but they didn't
speak up, right?
So he was one of the peoplethat I would say in one of the
classes where we had that finalpresentation where he decided
not to participate in the classpresentation and he did a
(44:56):
one-on-one presentation with theprofessor because I believe he
didn't want to be one of thesepeople that were basically using
their presentation tosubliminally harass me.
So, I mean, I guess I could saythank you for that, but you
know, if you had information tospeak up and you didn't, and you
(45:17):
were actually adding to thepsychological harassment, even
after I said, you know, Ibasically expressed what I was
going through.
You know, I was going throughthese things.
You were receiving thesemessages too, you were receiving
the images and things likethat, and you didn't speak up,
and you're supposed to behelping people with mental
(45:38):
wellness and psychology, and youactually contributed to my
trauma.
So, shame on you for that,Doctor of Psychology.
So, in any event, so that isbasically, you know, the
examples that I have as itrelates to the ripple effect in
(46:01):
the school setting, and that'sjust a few examples, right?
That's not just like in-depthexamples, but hey, you know, I
just want to give examples indifferent settings of how people
conform and how you know onestudent will basically share.
We had some ringleaders, right,in the class that would
(46:21):
basically anytime I would itwould be a new class and there
would be new students, theywould taint them and they would
start sharing information withthem.
Now, as far as like where I'velived in the past, you know,
I've asked a few neighbors, notnot too many, you know, I've
mentioned that okay, this ishappening.
Um, if you know anything,please let me know.
(46:41):
And nothing, no one spoke up.
No one spoke up.
I do think some people weresincere because they didn't
know, because these people, Ibelieve, were not targeted or
were not enlisted in thetargeting campaign because they
knew that I had a closerelationship with those people,
(47:02):
and so they didn't try to reachout to them.
But, you know, there werepeople that I believe knew that
didn't say anything, and nowthat could have been because
they were, you know, protectingthemselves because they didn't
want to be, you know, that nexttarget.
And hey, I can't blame them forthat, but you know, you know, I
guess some deep down inside Iwish someone would speak up or
(47:28):
would have spoken up somehowsomehow, even if it was
anonymously, right?
So now, as I've said before,I'm not a perfect victim, right?
So I know that some people thatmay have come across content or
information on their phone thatmay have been offended.
And, you know, I would thinkthey would have asked me, right?
(47:51):
And whether if it's, you know,if everything they said, I said,
I said, or if I subscribe toeverything, I still don't think
that warrants the abuse and thetreatment that I've been
getting, the violation of myprivacy, the human rights
violation, even if every singlething that has been put out
(48:12):
there is true, the treatment,the human rights violation is
not right.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what youthink I am, who you think I am,
what beliefs you think I have,the treatment is not right.
The treatment is wrong.
The treatment is wrong.
(48:34):
And a lot of the things thatare happening, right?
Maybe not the the end result,right?
Uh maybe not what you'reseeing, but how they came about
it is there are a lot of legal,illegal things that are
happening, you know, within thatcontext.
(48:54):
Maybe you're innocentlyreceiving a message, right?
So that that aspect is notillegal, but a lot of other
things that are happening behindthe scenes are illegal, and you
know, violating someone'sprivacy, violating their human
rights, you know, contributingto digital abuse, whether that's
(49:17):
digital sexual abuse and allsorts of other things, is wrong.
So, you know, I I I I don'tknow what to say.
I don't know what else to sayabout this.
I know I had put up a shortYouTube clip a few days ago just
about, you know, urging peopleto speak up, urging people, you
(49:39):
know, not to conform, not to beblindly led, and not to be
intimidated, right?
Um, maybe you're beingintimidated or blackmailed, I'm
sorry if that has happened toyou.
And so, you know, obviously, II don't want you to be the next
target, obviously.
So if you feel like you'regoing to be the next target, so
(50:00):
you know, be careful.
I'm not gonna ask you to tospeak up, but if you in any way,
shape, or form have the abilityto speak up, or even have the
ability to say that it's wrong,or even have the ability to not
participate, I'm just urging youto do the right thing.
I I just, you know, I don'tknow what else to say.
(50:23):
I just know that this is a verystrategic campaign.
They know what buttons to push,they know how to get people
angry and upset.
And, you know, if you thinkabout the whole voting collusion
thing that they had and howpeople were being manipulated in
the elections, it's similar,right?
(50:44):
So, you know, they're usingalgorithms, they're using bots,
they're using things tobasically manipulate people into
doing what they want them todo, and it's a mixture of truth
and lies.
So, you know, a little bit oftruth, some lies, and some
things are just completelyabsolutely made up.
And so, but some people theybelieve everything they see, and
(51:09):
you know, again, even if everysingle thing that you saw or
that you heard or that you readis or was true, I still don't
see why or how it justifies whatis happening, what is being
done to me, and how I'm beingtargeted, and how um people are
(51:33):
basically trying to destroy mylife, right, in every aspect.
It's just not right.
You know, I I've alreadymentioned social media.
I talked about the infiltrationof different things in like
whether it's a Christianplatform or whatever.
And so when you look at themanipulation that's happening,
(51:56):
it's social media, it's acombination of algorithm
algorithmic manipulation, peoplesharing info on group chats,
which ends up being challengesand plants.
And and essentially becausethese people are or monitoring,
are monitoring me, right?
So they plant individuals andor contact individuals who
(52:18):
listen to similar channels andhave them infiltrate and get in
the ears of these channel hosts.
So they think they are hearingfrom a genuine subscriber,
they're hearing from a plant, orthey are basically being
manipulated by the algorithmbasically to target me, and they
don't realize that it's part ofthe programming, it's part of
(52:40):
the manipulation, and that'sessentially what's happening,
and that's happened.
So it's happened in every realmaspect, and I gave a lot of
examples.
I hope I didn't bore you todeath, but I just really wanted
to kind of show how in everyinstance and in every setting
where at least one person, notone person, not one person, at
(53:03):
least to the best of myknowledge, right?
Again, I don't have fullvisibility.
I don't know if other peoplehave been speaking up for me and
I just don't know about it, orI don't know if other people
have been saying, hey, this iswrong, or if people would say,
hey, you know what, whatever shedid, she did.
I don't care.
I'm not gonna participate inthis.
Maybe there there are peoplethat is doing that, but I'm not
(53:28):
aware of it.
You know, what I'm what I'vebeen seeing is that people are
just basically followingblindly.
And so here you have the theripple effect, right?
So, you know, why is no onespeaking up again?
I think again, people areoffended by a tactic, maybe a
(53:48):
text message, maybe a rumor.
And instead of questioning it,they let that offense ripple
into suspicion, and others areafraid.
They're afraid that if theyspeak up, they'll be targeted
too.
And so some may even bepressured and or threatened or
lured into participating.
Um, I mentioned that before,you know, in the example of of
(54:12):
the app that I was using, youknow, for services.
So that's the ripple effect ofharm.
So it's not just silence, it'scomplicity.
And so it's people becomingpart of the very thing they once
claimed to oppose.
And it's very sad.
And I've gave examples ofpeople from different
(54:32):
demographics, differentprofessions that have
participated in this things,people that you think would not
have participated, right?
I gave you an example of adoctor of psychology, right?
They're supposed to help insituations like that, they're
making it worse.
And I even saw something, itwas a post.
It was a post I saw a whileago.
(54:53):
This person, is she inpsychology?
I think I don't know if she's acoach or or a therapist.
She's kind of under thatumbrella, not necessarily a
doctor, and she was basicallytrolling online, and it was on
her LinkedIn profile, actually.
(55:14):
And I was very disgusted bythis because this is again
someone that's supposed to behelping individuals um that deal
with trauma, that deal withthis kind of situation, and
you're actually participating inthis.
So, you know, I'm just callingfor people to speak up or at the
very least, think for yourselfas opposed to going on with the
(55:36):
crowd.
Maybe you think you're goingyou're think you're thinking for
yourself, but I'm I'm here totell you you're being
manipulated.
And, you know, I as I said, mymy privacy has been violated.
I I think that you know this isa human rights violation.
It's not, it's not, it's notexposure.
Oh, it's not about beingexposed, or you know, people
(55:59):
talk about this all the time,yeah, you know, or I've I've
seen oh reckoning.
Reckoning of what?
Reckoning of what?
Reckoning of what?
Your God, your God now,reckoning of what?
I think, you know, it's notexposure because it's like
you're doing something, you'redoing something, you're
(56:21):
willfully participating inviolating someone's privacy,
human rights, and you'recontributing to abuse, right?
Different types of digitalabuse, right?
Whether it's hacking, your yourphone is being used as a botnet
to hack into someone's network,right?
You're accessing someone'sinformation that is not supposed
(56:43):
to be consumed, you know,something, you know, the most
private moments of someone'slife is being basically
disseminated online.
And it's not about informationthat was leaked, right?
It's information that isconstantly being extracted
because I tell you, I kid younot, every single day people are
(57:05):
coming to where I live, theyare parking outside of my
apartment, basically, to try toextract information, you know,
and it's it's everywhere, it'severywhere I go.
So, I mean, I just want toclose out with a few scriptures
about speaking up.
(57:26):
And I shared those scriptureson the post that I made the
other day on YouTube, and theywere just like visual
scriptures, but I just want tospeak those scriptures out loud,
and it's just a couple.
We see here, we're gonna seethat the word of God doesn't
leave us room to stay silent orto participate in evil.
(57:50):
And some people may thinkthey're doing the work of God
because they're exposing a witchor whatever, right?
Because some people want tocall me a witch, right?
You could do whatever, you cancall me whatever.
Even if I was a witch, whateveryou're doing to me, I don't
deserve it, and it's not right,it's not right in God's eyes
either.
It's not right in God's eyes.
(58:11):
So, right, so learn to doright, seek justice, defend the
oppressed, take up the cause ofthe fatherless, plead the case
of the widow.
That's from Isaiah 1:17.
And Proverbs 31, 8 to 9 says,speak up for those who cannot
(58:34):
speak up for themselves, for therights of all who are
destitute.
Speak up and judge fairly,defend the rights of the poor
and needy.
These verses are clear.
God calls us to defend, Godcalls us to speak, God calls us
to act, and to break the rippleof harm with a ripple of
(58:56):
justice, to refuse both silenceand participation.
So that is my call out, right?
This is what I'm calling out,you know.
Speak up.
I mean, the the the enemy'sstrategy is simple, right?
It's offense, manipulation,intimidation, threats.
(59:19):
These are tactics of control.
They condition people to rippleharm instead of doing what's
right.
But God has his own ripple,right?
One act of courage, one word ofcourage, you know, one prayer
of faith can shift theatmosphere.
So, you know, I I've alwaysbeen a very outspoken person.
(59:43):
You know, I've always spokenout what's wrong, you know,
whether it's being done tosomeone else or myself.
So, you know, right now,because no one else is speaking
up for me, no one else is hasbeen advocating for me.
So I have to speak up formyself.
And I'm asking others to speakup.
Speak out, even if it'sanonymously.
(01:00:05):
You know, I do understand thedynamics of the situation.
And so I don't want anyone toput themselves in harm's way.
But if you can, speak up, or atthe very least, don't
participate in the nonsense.
That's what I'm praying for.
That's what I'm asking for.
And remember, your silence isnot neutral and your
(01:00:29):
participation is not harmless,right?
It's not just another socialmedia media post.
It's not just anotherchallenge.
Oh, it's not just you, youknow, walking outside and doing
something or subliminallyharassing me or coming or
following me to the store ordownloading information.
You are contributing to theharm.
(01:00:50):
I'm asking, you know, for us tobreak the ripple of harm, to
break the ripple of silence.
Don't let fear, offense, ormanipulation decide your voice.
I'm asking you to refuse tojoin the crowd, at least a crowd
of uh harm, and refuse to beused, right?
(01:01:12):
Refuse to be used for theenemy's work.
Even one voice can start a newripple, one that spreads light,
justice, and freedom.
Thank you for listening.
This is Marie, and this is thedire-rie of a sane black woman.
I hope to have more for you.
(01:01:33):
I'll see you soon in the nextepisode.
Thank you for listening, andthank you for your patience.
I know this episode is a littlelonger, but you know, I just
needed to basically share myexperiences and and you know,
let you know all what's goingon, what I've experienced, and
what I continue to experience.
So let's stop the ripple ofharm and the ripple of silence.
(01:01:55):
Thank you for listening.
This is the dire-rie of a saneblack woman.
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