Johnny Campbell - 11x Baja Champion - Bella's Corner - The Dirt Life

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Dirt Life Show with your host, George
Hamel.
Now Do it.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome back to the Dirt Life Show, everybody.
My name is Bella Brouchard,your host.
This is my co-host, GeorgeHamel.
Hi guys, and we are filmingEpisode 9 of Bella's Corner.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Dude, I still can't believe it's Episode 9.
That's pretty cool, man.
I know, and then you got yoursign and what's?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
we got playing in the background oh we, got the most
amazing film of all time, dustto Glory, playing in the
background.
I'm sure Johnny will tell us alittle bit about that, but let's
get rolling right into.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Yeah, so let's get an intro on who we're going to
interview tonight, and thenwe'll start thanking the
sponsors and then we'll get themon.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Okay, so we are interviewing the baja legend,
johnny campbell.
He was born and raised insouthern california, 11 time
winner of the baja 1000, fivetime winner of the baja 500.
He has many years of experiencein moto and off-road driving
and navigating so check this outtoo.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Do you know what number he is?
It's the 11, 11 x 11 time likethat.
That's pretty cool Right.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
All right.
So let's get the, let's pay thebills.
Get that out of the way realquick.
We'd like to thank everybodythat helps out the show,
especially you guys that arewatching the show.
It's amazing that you guys alldo this.
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(01:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:32):
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Speaker 1 (01:40):
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Alright, belle, do you want toinvite Johnny on right now?

(02:46):
Yes, I do All right, let me gethim going.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Let's talk to the man himself.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
There he is.
What the heck?
Okay, cool, all right, so we'llget Johnny on here.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
See Dust of Glory, greatest movie ever made.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Dude, I'm missing out .
You guys need to teach me thisDust of Glory stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
And there's a Dust 2 Glory.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Oh Dust of.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Glory 2?

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Yes, Alright, let's see if we can get Johnny on here
.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, I got a lot of questions for him.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
There's Jackson.
What's up, Jackson?

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Hi Jackson.

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Mad Sea Images said that he likes Dust of Glory huh.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Let's see who else Eva.
What's up, Eva?
Mm-hmm, let's see who else?
Eva.
What's up, Eva?
A bunch of people logging onalready.
Some of these people I waswondering about.
How Instagram does this?
People just log on and thenbail out.
Yeah, oh, here we go.
Let's see Request to join.

(03:44):
I hit accept, Johnny.
We had issues last time, though, didn't we?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Yeah, a little bit, instagram was playing with us.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So we'll have to see if it actually works out.
I'm pretty sure that this hasunable to join.
Oh no, so let's ask Johnny.
Johnny, see if you can, ifyou're watching us, see if you
can update the app on your phone, and then you want to do the
same bell.
Should we do that too and checkit out and come right back?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Or do you want to wait and see if it works with
Johnny?

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Let me try it one more time.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Okay.
So let's let Johnny see if hecan update his Instagram app.
So let's get a little bit morebackstory on Johnny, why he uh,
why he tries that.
So I heard about Johnny Drew'sbrother, jamie, and, uh, both of
them, uh, support each other.
They are both longtime Hondafans and associates.
Uh, they've do tons and tons oftwo wheel and four wheel racing

(04:38):
.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah for sure.
Not only that, but justnavigating too and being a part
of a huge pit crew and helpingother people race, and stuff
like that.
He has his own.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I don't want to talk too much about it, but he has
his own racing team that he kindof built jcr honda yep yeah and
you know it's really kickingoff, so super cool for him, but
yeah I just love the fact thatthese guys put so much time and
effort into their passions,right?
Like we talk about this all thetime on the dirt life show and
you share that same passion, too, for racing and you know Baja

(05:07):
and all of these American racesand stuff like that, and these
guys devote every single minuteof their day to it Well, other
than their family, but like theyjust love it so much right.
And to be a well 11 time plusBaja winner like that takes so
much dedication, love and effortand support yeah, for sure he

(05:29):
said updated okay, all right,johnny.
So let's see.
Uh, we'll ask you to join again, and if it can't, then I'll
have to update ours over here,and we'll just start over real
quick.
Let's try it, though.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
There we go hey guys, hi, johnny, yes, hi, johnny,
yes, hey.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
What's up, Johnny?
I'm George, Nice to meet youbud.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Hey George.
Yeah, thanks for the hot tip onupdating the app there.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah, no worries, dude.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I got the new phone.
I got you know.
But you know I'm still lagginga little bit behind here at 53
years old.
You got it, we're on.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
you know I'm still lagging a little bit behind here
at 53 years old.
You got it, we're on.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
We're ready to roll, hey, but, like as we talk about
lagging behind, I think we wouldbe the ones lagging behind if
we were trying to follow you andcatch you through the desert in
Baja.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, baja has been a great ride.
Yeah, you know, it was reallygood to me.
And you know, and it's fun towatch what's going on down there
now, and especially in the bikescene.
There's a lot of newup-and-comers coming in and a
lot of energy going back intothe moto side, so it's fun to
watch.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, you still stay pretty clicked into that scene,
right?

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, for sure, I frequent Baja and I try to go
down to the races when I havetime and stuff, and then I
actually just got back from Bajaand I try to go down to the
races, you know, when I havetime and stuff, and then I
actually just got back from Baja.
We myself, cameron Steele, markMoss and a couple others Every
July we do what we call the BajaBeach Bash and it's a charity

(06:59):
ride for the Rancho Santa MartaSchool and Orphanage in San
Vicente.
So we take about 50, 60 riderson a trail ride for a few days
and we also request and reachout to off-road industry, folks
and friends, family, and we, youknow, gather up pledges and

(07:20):
stuff for that awesome schooland um and orphanage and um we
came out with about 300 grandthis year for for them.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
So that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh, there's uh the, thedirectors that run it, uh, rod
and Tina.
They have been running it forabout 14 years.
Uh, we've actually been doingthe beach bash for 16 now, wow,
and we've raised.
We've been able to helpcontribute and raise over $2
million toward that effort.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
So in 16 years, that actually helps so much, though
People don't understand Justyour little 50 bucks here, 50
bucks there kind of thing justhelps.
So much to those efforts.
I can say too we got theopportunity the one of the Honda
off-road trucks down there uhlast year, um, not to the same
Baja beach bash, but it was to,uh, you know, rancho, santa
Marta, and we gave away sometires to all the kids from Maxis

(08:18):
on their bicycles and a bunchof stuff.
It's, it's amazing to see whenyou actually get to go,
participate and be with the kidsand do all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, it's great and the impact, you know it's
internal because the challengesthat a lot of the kids there
have is, you know, they havedisabilities or they're slow
learners and things like thatand where a lot of times their
family in Mexico they havefamilies.

(08:49):
They might not be orphans, butthey don't want them or they
can't have, they don't have themeans to take care of them and
so the facility there takes themin.
I mean, there's been, there'sbeen people there that have
lived there for a long time andbeen in this care and and they
also have a regular schoolsystem there that goes from

(09:10):
kindergarten all the way throughhigh school and it's a very
well-desired facility.
Now they bus in about 250 kidsa day now when they're in school
.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, you should pat yourself on the back for being
so involved with that man,because we always talk about
this on the dirt life show thatracing and the uh collaborative
efforts from so many passionatepeople really, really makes a
big influence, not just on theirlives, but on your life, your
family's life, everybody alltogether.
So kudos to you for doing that.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
We really appreciate it yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah,
yeah, it's a, it's a big effortby all and I'm just a small part
of it, but uh, it's great, togreat to be involved and and we
love Baja and love to enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, all right, you got some questions about Baja,
don't you Bill?

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I got a lot of questions about Baja, mostly
because we I've never been toBaja yet, but I will soon be
racing down there.
I know crazy, but we're goingto try to make the effort to go
down there either sometime thisyear or next year for racing or
pitting, helping other teams outor bringing our own team down
there, but to be able to talk tosomeone like you, to get advice

(10:20):
and, you know, kind of hearyour experience, because 11 time
Baja 1000 winner is a crazyrecord.
Not many people could say so.
I definitely have a lot ofquestions, but I got a question
for him real quick.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
What did you like better?
Um, I guess in the middle ofyour racing career did you like
two wheels or four wheels?

Speaker 3 (10:42):
Um well, primarily, you know, I've been two wheels.
Uh, you know I've been twowheels you know, and I started
uh doing some four wheel stufflater, kind of after my racing
career.
Uh, motorcycle racing careerhad uh subsided, so, um, both
are absolutely incrediblyexciting.
Uh, you know, with a bikethere's a lot of

(11:05):
self-preservation and you haveto be super hyper-focused, as
you do in a car as well.
But you have a layer of like Idon't know some sort of security
, you know, because you'restrapped in.
You got the roll cage.
But I tell you I think I'vebeen more scared and racing a

(11:26):
four-wheel vehicle than I havebeen racing a motorcycle.
Yeah, even even back in my daysin baja was super raw where
there was racing on the highwaysand we were splitting cars and
doing crazy stuff, you know.
But but you know, riding alongin a trophy truck going6, 140

(11:46):
mile an hour on a dry lake bed,yeah, there's not much out there
, but it feels like you're aboutto levitate, you're not really
connected with the ground andit's a pretty hairball feeling.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Ross DePosta, thanks for the nice comment.
Yeah, and you know what's crazyis like.
I would like to hear youropinion on this too, cause I
come from a two wheel backgroundand then the four wheels as
well.
And, uh, on the dirt bike, likeit's, you get to a point where
you're comfortable on it and youfeel like you can disconnect.
It's lightweight and you'relike one within gelling and
stuff with it, right.
But then when you're in a fourwheel vehicle to me at least, um

(12:20):
, you feel like there's like, ifyou're going 130 miles an hour,
there's no coming back from onelittle mistake, right, like you
can't like just jump off orjump out, like it's just a
different way.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
It definitely is.
And you hit the nail on thehead as a you know, on the bike
you're so yourself and your bodyis so active with the machine
and you have to be one and youknow you counterweight this way
or counterweight that way to youknow, keep the bike going in a
straight line and, but in thecars or a truck it's like you're
, you know, you're strapped inand you're doing the best you

(12:54):
can to you know, as that machineis an extension of yourself,
but coming from a bike, becauseyou are so much input from body
English that it gives you alittle bit of insecurity in a
four-wheel vehicle.
You know, from my perspective,Well, that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I'm curious to know.
Sorry, George, no please mind,like mental voice in the back of
your head, going through thisentire like long race, because I
know my mental voice is myco-driver.
But on a bike you don't really,you know, have anyone
constantly physically there withyou telling you, you know,

(13:33):
keeping your motivation up orpick your head up, or you're
going the wrong way, you know.
So what do you kind of do?
To stay out there alone?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Um, well it's.
You know the mental aspect ofracing off road, like Baja, long
distances, is a very it's avery big self-discipline.
I mean you have to acclimateyourself and you have to want to
do this, you have to want towin.
And with that situation is likeyou go down and you pre-run and

(14:04):
you put in the miles, you putin your dues and you know you
break down the sections.
You know, I used to break down.
You know you go.
How do you remember?
You know a 500 mile section ora 100 mile section?
How do you remember all that?
Well, you do as you're goingthrough it and you start
breaking it down into littlesections.

(14:24):
You do as you're going throughit and you start breaking it
down into little sections.
You know it might be from pitone to this wash or this wash,
you know up this mountain, andyou kind of break that down.
And so when you get to thosesections you go oh yeah, there's

(14:46):
an off camber here, there's arock in the right position.
It's easy to get your mindwandering in those long sections
and what happens is then, ifyou're not focused and you're
not concentrating, it's easy toovercook a corner or go off a
cliff or something of thatnature.

(15:07):
You really have to trainyourself to be mentally fit,
mentally tough.
I put a lot more weight on thataspect than the physical aspect
.
Yes, you have to be an athlete,you have to do all your stuff
on your cross-training andriding a long time, but you
really have to train yourselfmentally.

(15:28):
It's like how bad do you wantthis?
You're going through a lot ofpain.
You know you're suffering.
You go pound up.
You know you pound from uh upto El Chinero and San Felipe and
it's like there's a lot of painthere.
Yeah, you're back and holdingon and on and fighting the bike
and stuff.
So the mental aspect is veryimportant and so that's one

(15:49):
thing like transferring to afour-wheel vehicle off a bike.
It's like I don't even reallyneed a co-driver, because if I'm
going to go race, I'm going togo pre-run.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I'm going to know where everything is.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
So for a co-driver that talking to me is is yeah,
it's, it's nice to knowsomebody's there, Uh, but, and
especially if you make a mistakeand flat yourself or whatever.
But realistically, like I don'thave, I would say I haven't
developed a rate, a four wheelrace experience where I I fully

(16:26):
rely on the navigator.
You know the, the co-driver,because I'm just, I've always
done it.
And you ask guys like, uh,larry rossler, you know the, the
absolute king of baja.
It's like this guy had aphenomenal you know motorcycle
career and then transferred tofour wheel and had a phenomenal
four wheel career.
He is the same way.

(16:48):
It's like I know like JustinMorgan, a bike guy who's ridden,
co-ridden with Larry recently.
And you know, Larry, he's likeyou need, you know, he's like
Justin's like you need to knowanything.
He's like nope, I got it, youknow.
So, bike guys, you're just soused to being out there by
yourself so you don't need tochat back and forth so much.
It's like just let me focus,Let me race, I know what I'm

(17:10):
doing.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
It's kind of crazy because what he's saying.
So Max Eddie is a good friendof mine.
He said the same basic thing hegoes, man.
It was really hard for me toget used to having somebody sit
in the passenger seat andtelling me what to do, because
he was like at first I justwanted to be like.
No, I don't like no, I got it.
But on the other hand, like, ifyou, if you haven't raced two
wheels, it's completelydifferent.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Oh yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've relied
on my co-driver for a lot ofdifferent things, not just
driving in the track, but alsomy health too, because he's
pretty got pretty much got mecovered on that.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
Actually so, johnny, like when you have that
opportunity to have a co-drivergiving you statistics, like,
yeah, the car is this hot, orstuff like that, that probably
actually is a huge benefit foryou, because you're like, oh
shit, I didn't even think aboutthat.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Yeah, totally, and that's just being like a rookie
four-wheel guy is like you, notnot.
You know, having a co-driver isis is really advantageous
because you have all the otherthings going on in a four-wheel
vehicle, not just you on themotorcycle going straight

(18:17):
through the desert, and sothat's where you know it comes
in.
And I've actually spent quite afew top, quite a few miles in
the navigation seat in the Dakarrally with Robbie Gordon, at
the ball 500, with Cameron steel, you know so, I, I know a
little bit about that, but it'slike I'm, I'm actually, you know

(18:39):
, in Dakar, in the rally stuff,you're really, really engaged
because you're having tonavigate.
There is no course markings,there is no pre-run right,
you're really engaged.
But even like in the, in thetrophy truck, it's like I was
like how, what am I supposed tosay to this guy?
It's like I wouldn't want any,I wouldn't want anybody to talk
to me, I just want to race, youknow so.

(19:00):
So I'm sure, like when I ridewith Cameron, he's like dude,
you all right, you over there,hello Mute.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
That's funny.
Yeah, no, I got a couple morequestions, but I've been
wondering what on your take,because I know a lot of other
people have differentperspectives.
But if you were to kind ofnarrow it down into a couple of
sentences, what does the Bajaterrain consist of?

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Yeah, uh, baja terrain consists of a lot of
hard pack, very rugged, rocky,mountainous trails.
You know, of course it's likeyou can, you could break all
those areas down because youhave, you know, the low desert.
Where it's it's faster, it'shigher speed.

(19:46):
You have open desert and openline selection.
Or you know you have more likegoing going up over mics, where
it's like, oh, it's one line andit's rocky and it's technical
and so it's it's hard to breakdown Vaughn and describe it like
in one sentence, but you knowit's uh yeah, you really need
like an entire book man like if

Speaker 1 (20:08):
uh and for Bella, like I remember the first time
that I got to pre-run, like, uh,like, let's just say the 500
mile or 1000, like every singlething that you see during that
day is different than the daybefore.
Yeah, like it's just so crazyhow all that stuff happens.
Hey, uh, jamie, we had a.
Or uh, johnny, we had a comment.
Come in.
I was saying jamie, because Ihe actually I got a good

(20:30):
question for you.
Um the pro eagle guy said ageand physical capability aside,
would you prefer to be back on abike yourself or being a team
owner and help coach newchampions?

Speaker 3 (20:46):
oh wow.
Well, that that's a verydifficult, complex question, you
know, because they're saying,yeah, if you take age aside,
that's the thing is like isbecause the body's broken down,
it's had injuries and now it'sfeeling it and you don't have
the mental capacity to hang itout as tough as like a 25 year

(21:07):
old, you know Right, like a 25year old, you know Right.
So at the point of the heightof of my racing career, I mean I
felt like I was doing what Iwas meant to, uh, what I was
meant to be on on this earth wasracing a motorcycle in Baja.
This is what I know, this iswhat I do, what I'm good at, and

(21:29):
but in my shoes today, I muchrather be off the bike, coaching
and sharing my knowledge.
You know, I still, obviously Ienjoy riding and that's that's
actually all I want to do.
You know, since I was a kid wasjust go ride my motorcycle.
But obviously we have life thatgoes along with that.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
It's kind of cool that you say that, though,
because that's the evolutionright and that's actually what
builds our sport in our industryis because you were once doing
that same thing.
That you're teaching kids andother people how to do now is
become champions.
So I think it goes both waysactually, like you want to do
both right, like you're actuallydoing both of the things that
you love.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
I do and I'm a product of that.
It's like I've always been goodat listening and slow to speak
and listen to all sorts ofadvice, whether it was from a
guy that wasn't well-respected,all the way to my mentor, bruce
Ogilvie, um, and Chuck Millerand those guys that had lots of

(22:33):
experience racing.
But I like to learn fromeverybody and that's one thing
that I think helped me.
Progress was that I wouldn't.
I wasn't so opinionated that Iwouldn't listen to just some
other guy or whatever you know.
So it was like it was reallyimportant for me growing up,

(22:55):
like I lost my father when I was16.
So having like a male influenceof like a mentor was really
helped me and helped catapult mycareer and being able to listen
to that and then invest in me,and so I came from that I'm a
product of a mentorship and some being able to give back to

(23:16):
the next generation, that's whatwe're supposed to do.
I mean, that's that's why we'reon this.
One reason we're in theposition we are in this planet
is you get to a certain age andyou need to train the youth.
You need to train the, the upand comers, because how are they
going to know?
You know, as long as they'rewilling to listen to you.

(23:37):
How are they going to know fromthis experience?
Where do they learn from youknow, and they might be a
know-it-all or a hotshot, butstill you have to have respect
for that, for the guys thatbecame before you.
Yeah, the racers came before youand it's the same thing in life
.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Same thing in life beside racing it's kind of crazy
bell because we talk about thisall the time on the dirt life
show and people always ask usyou know, how do we get sponsors
, how do we get faster, how dolike?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
every racer question that you get to johnny is like
you listen, you're open-mindedand you learn yeah because the
minute, the minute that youthink you know you've lost it
yeah, and, and there'scharacters out there, uh, you
know there's racer charactersout there.
You have to be aggressive, youhave to be confident in yourself

(24:25):
to go out and do what we do andhang it out and you're on the
edge and you're going fast andyou have to have that confidence
.
But on the flip side, you haveto have respect and you have to
listen to.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
You know those people that you know, that have that
knowledge right and that'sthat's how you become, you know,
a better racer and a betterperson, better human well,
speaking of the knowledge wejust had a comment come in from,
uh, mr nellis 872 the knowledgethat you probably are one of
the only people to have what isharder to ride the 650 or the
450?

Speaker 3 (25:03):
um, well, I think uh, once again it can be a really
deep, complex answer, but theyboth have their high points and
their low points.
As far as you know, the 650 wasunbelievably stable, like a

(25:24):
semi-truck going through thedesert.
But where it started sufferingwas when you had, you know, big
whoops and big holes.
And so you're dealing with likea 310 pound motorcycle rolling
to the line versus a 275 poundbike rolling the line.
So that the high points of the450 were it accelerated faster,

(25:47):
you can brake faster, you cantake different lines, you can
maneuver the bike, and so, as arace machine, the 450X was a
much better racing machine.
Where the 650R was, it was avery good race machine, it was
comfortable, it was stable,stable, Um.

(26:13):
But when it came down to it,you were going to get beat.
If you you were going upagainst you know equal, equal
bases.
You're going to get beat fromthat four, 50.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah and I will say this too, like he's being humble
that six, 50 will teach you tobe a man real quick.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Yeah, those you know, those big bikes like uh, you
know, you know I I came throughthe air-cooled xr600 era into
the 650 era.
And the one thing with the, thebig bikes, is you have to
respect them, but you have tokind of let them do the work and
don't override it.

(26:47):
Because you try to override itlike a, a two-stroke or or a
lighter, that's when it's goingto bite you.
So you take it and you ride itwhere it's good and you slow
down where it's not so good.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, exactly, mike Gellis also said that.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Same thing with the car too.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, that's very true.
Mike Gellis said JohnnyCampbell is such a.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
He's so great.
It was an honor to work for hima few years in baja.
A wonderful guy, family, familyand team mike's great.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
he uh, he comes from uh the hilltoppers motorcycle
club that uh has pitted uh hondafor decades and uh, they were.
They were instrumental inactually myself getting a ride
with American Honda back when Iwas 21 because I knew some of
the hilltoppers and they put ina good word for me and then yeah

(27:40):
, so they were very helpful andMike was one of the guys that
came along as one of the youngerhilltoppers in the later years.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
He's one of the younger Hilltoppers in the later
years, Bdub930, said SteveHenge told me the 650 was like a
Cadillac but the 450X was likea Ferrari.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
That's a good one.
Henge knows he was my partnerfor a lot of years and we won a
lot of stinking races.
Henge was great because he wasso solid.
I didn't.
When you have a race partnerlike that, it's like you don't
worry about him crashing orgetting the bike to you or

(28:20):
whatever.
It's like you just havecomplete confidence.
Yeah, and and that was Stevefor me and I think myself for
him is like we were such aformidable team because we had
so much respect for each otherand we just were confident in
the other riders.
So that's what really helped,one of the things that helped

(28:41):
catapult us amongst being underthe tutelage of the late, great
Bruce Ogilvie.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, man, you guys have so many stories.
We could have like story timewith Johnny anytime.
Bill Stevie Wright said I waslucky enough to fly the
helicopter for Johnny Campbell.
Amazing guy Learned a lot.
Yeah, that's probably prettycool getting chased by a
helicopter when you're riding adirt bike right, because you can
see him pretty easily.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
Yeah, definitely, you know, and that's what I
transferred into.
That's what I transferred into.
Uh, stevie um had just startedflying um for us when I kind of
transferred off the bike intothe helicopter, as a matter of
fact.
So I spent a lot of time flyingwith stevie and we won a lot of
great races together yeah,that's pretty cool.
I kind of want to go back andstevie wright is a former honda

(29:28):
factory atC racer.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh, dang, dude, Bella , you should see, he showed me
some pictures.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
It's so gnarly what they used to do on
three-wheelers Like.
Would you do that stuff, johnnyLike?
Because they're wild dude.
No.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
I would never do that .

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Those guys get crazy.
I don't know, One of these dayswe're going to have to have you
and Stevie and a whole bunch ofguys on the show and Bella, you
can see some of the gnarlystuff they used to do it was
sick.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I need to hear these stories that no one else knows
about.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Well, we have plenty of them.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Should we ask the story that his brother sent in
Jamie?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Okay, well, he actually sent in two stories.
We'll get to the first one as aquick answer.
Ask Johnny, who was faster?

Speaker 3 (30:18):
back in the day, him or I?
Well, yeah, jamie was always.
He was my little brother, hewas four years younger and so he
was always the tag-alongbrother.
He had to fight because myfriends and I were not, we not
fair to him, we weren't fun tohim, but he hung out with us and
he, you know, we made him tough.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
we made jamie, we made you tough yeah, dude, I
like it, but but brotherly loveto that jamie had a period
during his racing career wherehe was very fast.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
He was very fast.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And then he also said one specific story.
Ask him about the 1992 SanFelipe 250 riding privateer
Honda CR250.
Dave Donatoni, myself and himwinning our class and third
overall.
That was the start of himgetting uh called by bruce ogle.
Uh, ogle v, uh is I uh?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
and then to race for honda, yeah yeah, uh, when, you
know, jamie was only 16 when,when we raced, it's like I, it
was me myself uh, sorry, myself,jamie and our friend Dave
Donatoni that we raced SRA withGrand Prixs, and uh, we had
raced a few races the yearbefore and this was like 91.

(31:38):
So 92.
So we, we started the two 50class and uh, you know, we were
just pitting out of the back ofthe truck and a pickup truck and
stuff, no real support, and uh,but we, you know, we all wanted
to race for honda and stuff,and uh, so what happened was, uh
, yeah, we had the year before,right before that, the ball 1000

(32:03):
.
We had a really good run, butwe ended up getting third in 250
class.
I think we were still top 10 onbikes, but we thought for sure
we were going to win that.
But anyway, we came back toFelipe and we just had a
kick-ass run and the only twobikes that beat us were the
factory Kawasaki KX500s and Ithink we won the 250 class by at

(32:26):
least 10 to 20 minutes.
It was a margin, but the bike,the bike was in shambles when it
finished there was.
The rims were so smoked youcould see air through them and
we were running uh, moose tubes,thankfully and and uh, there
was stuff hanging off that thing.
That thing was just a rattlebox on its last leg but uh, yeah

(32:48):
, but Jamie rode the centersection, maybe even over the
mini summit, and, man, he did agreat job.
And then, yeah, later thatmonth, bruce had called Dave and
I to go ride and they wouldn't.
At the time Jamie was a minor,so they were reluctant to give
him a factory ride at that pointand we really didn't have a

(33:12):
factory ride at that point.
It was just kind of like, hey,we can give you some parts for
your bikes and maybe we'll havea race bike for you at the 500.
And for sure, the 1,000, we'lldo a factory effort.
So it was kind of like, at thatpoint in time, the american
honda off-road team was like itwas very, very small, it was

(33:34):
just like a backdoor grassrootsuh team and bruce was trying to
kind of rekindle it and reef andand get it going and he had two
main riders, which was, uh,chuck miller and dan ashcraft,
and they were.
They were struggling cause theywere trying to build too much
power out of the big XR and, uh,it kept breaking on them.
But so so after that, sanFelipe, we won, um Bruce called

(33:58):
us cause they he wanted to getsome young blood put on the team
and so that's where we startedwith American Honda was like May
of 92.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Dude, it probably trips you out to think about
some of that stuff too because,like just me thinking in in my
head, like, uh about that islike it was such a different
time back then, like you had tomax everything out, like you
said, on the bike, like the bikejust couldn't go anymore.
Basically, when you were done,you know like, and nowadays it's
just uh, I don't know.
It almost feels like it's givenbecause everything is so good.

(34:30):
You know, honda makes such anamazing motorcycle.
Now it's like you know, cameroncan ride his all the way down
the Baja Peninsula and stillhave fun and ride it the next
day when he gets back.
Like it's just insane.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, the technology is definitely advanced on the
bikes and I'm proud to say thatI've been able to be a part of
that in the last couple ofdecades.
So you know, the kids and theguys riding the bikes now is
like they didn't know, like howbad they were back then.

(35:03):
But even take it a step worseour bikes were great compared to
the guys in the seventies, youknow.
So there's a there's it's justevolution and and the bikes are
very, very good now.
And you know it shows becauseit's like you don't have so many
DNFs unless somebody doessomething stupid.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Dude, it's wild and I don't know any of the like the
rules and stuff like that, butwe're even starting to put
Starlink.
They have a little tiny starlink out now we're gonna put one
on one of the 9x pre-runners,uh, to like just check it out
and see, like, if we can offersome safety and do live
streaming and you know, livestream from a motorcycle and
stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I mean, it's just the , the technology and anything
nowadays is just so crazy coolyeah, our, our sport is changing
and it's uh, and it's, it'ssome of it's a lot.
It's very hard for me toswallow um, compared to how it
was back in the day and andstuff and.
But you know we have to.

(36:04):
Now that we have technology, wehave to use that technology for
safety and stuff.
You know, it's like when I wasgoing down there there was no
cell phones, there was nointernet, there was no.
You know, you leave your chasetruck, you go.
Okay, I'm going to meet you,I'm leaving Ensenada and I'll
meet you down at El Crucero insix hours.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
And you were just on your own On your own.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
You had no contact, no, nothing.
And until you got down thereand you hoped your truck was
there and they hoped you gotthere, you know, yeah, it was a
very cowboyish world.
Yeah, you know, and the way itwas ran, and like the generation
, like Bella's generation,she'll never know that or

(36:46):
understand it.
It's like she's never had alife without a cell phone.
No, literally know that orunderstand it.
It's like she's never had alife without a cell phone.
So it's, it's quite in in withall the, you know, safety
tracking devices and stuff likethat.
It's like and now Starlink,which is evolving and and I I
assume pretty soon we'll havephones with that technology and
2025.
Yeah It'll.
It'll be a lot easier to trackwhat we're doing and where we're

(37:09):
going and stuff.
But it has evolved the sportinto a much different
environment now.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, you know, what's crazy is to even
backtrack on that a little bit.
So Bob Bauer, he was integralin getting the BFG stuff set up
in Baja and all of thosedifferent things set up in Baja
and all of those differentthings, and he showed me one of
the original maps.
That was like that theyprovided before they had, you
know right, when they firstoriginally started the maps.
Cause, like before, like someof the stuff that Johnny's
talking about, you just got a, apoint to start and a point to

(37:41):
finish and however you got therewas up to you.
Yeah, like there was no GPS ornothing, there was no track.
And so Bob showed me, like someof the course maps and he's
like you just had to be kind ofclose.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No it's pretty crazy.
I think there's definitely likeups and downs to the evolution
of the industry, because I'd saylike yes, I'm very grateful for
the safety that like we havenow.
You know, if you were in asituation that's scary now,
compared to then, people will beable to get faster to you and

(38:14):
like know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
But or one of the helicopters or something yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But then too, I think , is also kind of fun, because
it's a little more thrilling andyou know, you don't know what's
going to happen.
You don't know, you're not incontact with these people, you
don't know if they're going tomake it past the finish line.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
These guys used to stop and get food at other
people's places.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
That's wild.
You want to ask that question,Bill.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Repo man Steve said, Johnny, what's the most
memorable race of your life?

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Oh man, I've had some really great ones, but I've got
to say for me in my career,gosh, like I said, there's a
couple toppers, but the Baja2000 in the year 2000 was
probably the most pinnacle raceof my career, amongst winning my

(39:11):
11th Baja 1000.
Oh wait.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
We found these new buttons on this little audio
thing, oh cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
So, yeah, that race was awesome.
We had four riders, we finishedin just under 31 hours and to
do a race like start to finishand take that long, and I know
it took obviously the otherteams and and vehicles longer.
But just to put that together,which was super fun for me when

(39:48):
went down and we did, you know,a week long pre-run of milaging
the course and and I'll tell youback then when, when there was
no gps like that, there weresections when, like sal fish
would go.
Well, we're going to go hereand we think we can get through
this section and get down tohere and we think it's this many

(40:11):
miles and so it really didn'thave a complete accurate miles
and they called it fish milesand so we would actually have to
go down and do our own milagingto make sure that we had our
pits in the right places.
Wow, and that's one thing thenew generation takes complete
granted for, because some teamsare still going down and doing

(40:35):
their course mileage and settingup pits and looking at it.
But it's so accurate.
Now, with the GPS and theinformation the organization
gives you, it's like you couldplan out your program pretty
easily, only going to have tocheck a couple spots when back
then it's like you know what?
We're going to ride 2,000 milesthis week and we're going to

(40:57):
find where our pits are going tobe and find all the access
roads out there, because itdidn't exist.
Yeah, bf Goodrich would go doit and there are a few other
teams that would go do it, butbut that was such a fun thing
for me to do with Bruce and andI'll.
It's super memorable and I'llnever forget that time.

(41:18):
And then coming coming down andexecuting the race and our
team's getting first and secondoverall and just a pinnacle of
uh off the hall for racing.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
I feel like that question is very, uh, very
focused, right Cause he saidwhat was your favorite race, but
like there was probably, likewho knows, even more favorite
times, just spending time withpeople and doing the pre-running
and all of these differenttypes of things and activities
that you get to do yeah, it'snot just racing, it's everything
that comes with it.
It's kind of crazy and like oneof the things that you said, too

(41:48):
, was like nowadays, all of it'sso good.
Like I remember maybe it waslast year or the year before uh,
brandon sims just showed up atthe race.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
He didn't even pre-run at all, he just showed
up like a few hours before therace started, got in the car and
went yeah, like that was itlike he was ready to go because
I mean you have a navigator, yougot a track log, let's go you
got a chip, you put it in thegps, download it, it's there.
Yeah, exactly yeah, like there's.
You know you're not going toknow everything, but you could
pretty much go and traverse thewhole course.
But that's why pre-running wasso important back in the days,

(42:18):
because there was sometimesthere wasn't any course markers
for miles.
You know, 10, 20, 30 milesthere's no course markers.
You go well, I hope we're goingthe right way I feel lucky just
keep your fingers crossed.
There's times, there's timeswhere I used to, I used to carry
, like the course notes and I'dcarry them in my fanny pack and
I'd be pre-running to go, was it?

(42:40):
I think I'm supposed to turnleft here, but I don't know.
I have to stop and check yournotes because there's no,
there's no digital electronics.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
You're not relying on a screen.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
No, no screen.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
That's pretty cool though.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Just imagine Bella, like he doesn't need the GPS and
he could still find you all thetrails if you guys were going
down there to race.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
What was that comment that we got there?

Speaker 2 (43:03):
B-dub 930 said hey, JC, they have dust to glory
playing in the background.
Have you ever consideredsoloing the 1000?

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Actually, no, I've never really considered it.
Um, just, you know, in in my,my career and stuff, I had such
a, a phenomenal career and wewere at the top and we won races
and we had an awesome programand um, so, I never really.
You know, once I was kind ofdone, I was done, I I didn't

(43:36):
want to, I didn't feel like Ihad to go prove anything else
and do it solo for theexperience or anything.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Yeah, for sure.
But you went on and, you know,created this whole other team,
JCR, which is really successful,you know, doing all the races
that you did and stuff.
So how's that going so far?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well, we've been.
Jcr took over in 2008.
And we continued racing ballfor a long time and then some
other opportunities came alongand we went back east to gncc
and we pursued that for fiveyears.
We won one 250 championship oruh, I guess they call that xc2

(44:16):
and uh, you know, stayed backthere.
And then uh ended up comingback west and uh doing some
other racing back out here, likegrand prixs and national heron
hounds.
And you know, now we're uhfocusing some, some events on uh
like vegas torino will be ournext event.
Um, I'm gonna run uh rickybrabeck and skylar howells on a

(44:41):
hrc rally bike, the same onethey race in dakar, and then my
second team will be prestoncampbell and uh, we're sharing
uh the slr, uh team memberjustin morgan uh on the 450x.
So, um, those would be my twoteams for vegas torino you're
gonna have your hands full manman.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Sounds dialed.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Well, it's very difficult logistics, because I
got one bike that pits threetimes during the race and then
one bike that pits 12 timesduring the race.
Yeah, that's wild.
So I got like two sets of chaseteams and it's difficult to
intermix because that race goesso fast in the chasings.
Yeah, you got to stay on point,exactly.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
We have a question asked twice.
Let's see here I don't know howyou say it by Roval.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Johnny, are you racing Los Ancianos this year?
Yeah, I always plan to race theTakati Enduro.
That's the Los AncianosMotorcycle Club that puts that
on.
Enduro that's the Los AncianosMotorcycle Club that puts that
on.
It's just down south the border, in Tecate, at Rancho, santa
Veronica, and it's around ahundred mile like true enduro,

(45:51):
like single track trails, supergnarly technical, and it really
kicks your butt and I reallyenjoy it.
The speeds are low, it's tight,technical, you're going through
trees and stuff and so, um, Ienjoy, I enjoyed the challenge
of that.
So I don't, I don't call what Ido now racing.
I I go riding.

(46:13):
So, uh, but yeah, I'll go do it.
Should be fun that'll be,really cool.
Usually rains, so the dirt'sgood.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
What do you think about some of the new?
Like the speed of some of thesenew kids?
I just got off the phone withAustin Eddy and Connor Eddy and
the 9X guys.
They're my connection.
I've obviously talked with theHusqvarna guys and everything.
It's just so cool To me.

(46:44):
I like seeing the change of theguard, like all these fast kids
right, and then, like, sincethey're my friends, I get to see
how excited they are about itand what they're going to do for
training and all this stuff.
Like you got to feel prettygood about the, the way that the
motorcycle industry and thedesert racing industry is right
now yeah, it's going.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
It's going well and I gotta say there's been, you
know, we went through a a?
L time for a while but there'sbeen a lot of guys putting a lot
of effort into it.
You know, like Andy Kirkerhelping SCORE volunteer in his
time to really, I mean he'sreally putting in a lot of life
into the motorcycle side, aswell as Scott Harden.

(47:15):
We partner up on a few events ayear.
Um, we partner up on a fewevents a year and, uh, so it's,
it's really cool to see you knowwhat's happening now, um, and
it's it's flourishing.
And now, like you said, theeddie brothers are the second
set of eddie brothers, or eddiecousins, I should say yeah,

(47:35):
exactly are coming in and uh,and racing along with, uh, you
know, preston, my, my son,there's megla and carter klein
and um kieran everybody janelogan kieran.
You know there's, there's agroup of uh oh, tyler lynn on

(47:56):
slr, it's like there's a groupof like younger guys coming in.
It's like a changing of theguard and these, these kids want
to race, they want to win andso they're putting in the effort
and it's exciting to see awhole new generation of desert
racing coming come together.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, Actually, we've got the.
Just got the question fromJolly Green, Giant 67.
Does Johnny have a XR 650R inhis garage?
But I think we should take itup a notch and say what bikes
have you saved?

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Well, I do have.
If I was in my shop I couldshow you guys around, but I'm
not.
But yeah, I do have my Baja2000 winning XR650R, you know.
And then I have my 1997, thefirst score race I won in 97,

(48:44):
the Ball 500.
I have that XR6 628.
So I have those two, and then Ihave a couple Dakar rally bikes
.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I feel like those are kind of the trophies themselves
.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Yeah, that's why I asked him, like how many he kept
.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Yeah, yeah.
So I have a few that I've keptaround that have some pretty
strong meaning.
So yeah, did you wash them.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Nope.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
He left the dirt on there.
It's a part of the trophy.
They're wild.
I have the actually 2013 Bajawinning bike too that we won.
That was actually for JCR.
That was the last ball 1000that we actually had a full,
full effort there before we wentto uh uh Colton and Mark when

(49:30):
they did the uh ox program.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
It's really cool how you kind of have your foot in
everything, like you know, goingfrom certain, ending certain
like eras of your racing careerto start a new one yeah, and
what I do now is uh is a lot.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
So I have one aspect of is running jcr race team in
which we participate in severaldifferent events a year uh,
vegas, torino, california, 300,mint, 400, national heron hound
racing.
And then the other kind of halfof my program is like I focused

(50:09):
on the monster energy hondateam, the hrc rally team that
races dakar, and so I do a lotof testing and development for
that, the, the durabilitytesting.
We help coordinate that, alongwith the riders, help develop
the bike, the machine with theJapanese engineers.
I go to Dakar in January tohelp support the team.

(50:31):
So I work, you know, in and outof the year with those guys as
well.
And then I help Honda withproduction uh, production bikes
and production settings testing,um, you know.
So you know we, we get to ridesome of the bikes that uh,

(50:53):
you'll see in a couple of yearson the showroom floor.
So that's, that's super fun andengaging for me and um, things
that I was taught how to doduring uh you, you know my
tenure and under my mentor andstuff.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
So yeah, I feel like that's all, like it comes with,
uh, I don't know the knowledgeand experience that you gained,
right, because there's so manythings that you just said that
were so different and so, uh,far from each other, but they
kind of all come together to beable to build the, obviously the
production bikes, but to beable to like, because, how do I
say, this desert and Dakar usedto be a lot different and now

(51:23):
they're shrinking.
The gap is shrinking right,like the, the bikes are closer
than what they ever have been.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
They're still close, but there's but there's still a
quite, a, quite a distancebetween a bar race winning bike
and a Dakar race winning bike.
You know, you know what, what?
Also, one of the highlights,what I say, a couple of the big
highlights off the bike thatI've had, um is helping to
develop that that motorcyclethat took Ricky Bray back to

(51:51):
winning the, being the firstAmerican to win Dakar rally in
2020.
And then he was.
He just backed it up this yearon another motorcycle that I had
a hand in in 24.
And you know, being able tohelp Ricky through this process
the last eight years has beensuper fun, mature as a racer and

(52:17):
just give him opportunities andjust supported him, walked
alongside him in in tough timesand good times and just so
watching.
You know, being able to be partof that is, you know, that's
that really makes my career, youknow, special with being able

(52:38):
to mentor the guys like him.
You know it's fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
And Bella, it's kind of like what you said before too
, like he probably doesn't evenrealize it's happening so much,
but he's, you know.
Let's just say that you're afly on the wall and you're
sitting there listening to himtalk to Ricky at a test session
or something.
He's probably saying so manythings that he's learned over
the years and just spewing allthat information out to Ricky,
like Ricky is a lucky son of agun that he gets to learn all

(53:03):
that.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, for sure we all are, you know, having legends
and stuff like that, being ableto like share their knowledge
because, you're right, that'swhat we're all here for to learn
and then pass it on.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Ask this question right here from Mr Nola.
Ask this question right herefrom Mr.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Nola, this one.
Yeah, okay, johnny, how did youget into the Dakar Rally and
how different is that comparedto American Desert?
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
It's a big question.
I was introduced to rallyracing in the early 90s.
One of the big plastic sponsorsat Churby's, a guy named Franco
at Chirby's, came over andteamed with Casey Folks and they
built what they called theNevada Rally.
In the early 90s I had theopportunity to go race that and

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learned how to get beat, how toget lost and then how to
navigate.
So that stirred my interest inrally racing, in which I really
didn't take advantage of untilFranco brought me to the
Paris-Dakar in 2001.
And then I got a full Paris toDakar all the way through Europe
, through Africa, all the way toDakar, senegal, through Africa,
all the way to Dakar, senegal.

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You know we're talking like10,000 mile race.
It was 21 days that year.
And so I you know I was I'vebeen fortunate to just be in the
right position for to be ableto participate.
And then I didn't really pursuerally racing because I was so
locked into Baja racing andAmerican Honda and so rally
racing didn't really come backto me.

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Till after my racing career wasover on a bike and HRC, which is
Honda Racing Corp, theycontacted me and said, hey, we
want to go back to Dakar.
They hadn't been there sincethe eighties.
They go go.
We want to go back to Dakar.
We need your help, and so I was.
I was in a position to have allthis experience of testing,

(55:06):
development, some knowledge ofrally racing, and help them get
get moving with a bike projectand racer projects.
You know, this was 2012 whenthis all started and then I've
been really fortunate enough tobe involved with that from 12 to
now, so a dozen years now.

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Um, and and watch how thatprogram has has, you know,
advanced.
So I think just being in theright position and and making
the right relationships is howI've been able to, you know,
focus on rally racing and makethat part of my, my lifestyle
yeah, well, and it's it.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
You can't be any slouch either.
Right, like the, the austrians,like they'll, they're gonna be
a, a formidable competitor thewhole time.
So it's, it's cool that youwere able to do it.
But like you have stiffcompetition and I know that
you're being humble, but likeit's a, it's a chore to go
through all of those things andbe able to be competitive and
you come home with, uh, thefirst american to ever win, like

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dude, that's got to feel sogood yeah, that was, that was
special.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
It makes makes me cry even now.
But it, it, uh.
But yeah, those guys, theaustrians, they own that race.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Doing it so long and so many wins and stuff.
It's kind of like we were inBaja and stuff.
But they had the system, theystill have the system, and we
had to come up to their leveland then try to surpass it in
some areas.
And we did that and but onceyou get there, then it's like,

(56:44):
oh okay, now they're gonna fightback, you know.
But but competition, uh, youknow, it breeds excellence and
that's what we're doing to eachother is like you know we win
and you know we did good in ourtesting and development, and
then all of a sudden they'llfight back and get it.
And then we got to fight back.
And that's what makes it fun,you know, without competition

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it's not really that fun.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yeah, having good competition, but keeping good
sportsmanship too.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Absolutely Everybody there in the Dakar, you know
there's there's a lot of it's sohighly elevated with how much
it costs to do those races andthe efforts and stuff that are
there by the factories and theriders and stuff.
But you know, it's like Baja,it's like when you're out there
you're on your own, you know.
So it's like you have to haverespect, you fight against those

(57:37):
guys, but if somebody goes downyou have to stop and you have
to help them because you're thefirst responder In all desert
racing.
That has to be the way.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Yeah, 100%.
What kind of other questionsyou got, Bill?

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I do got a good one.
Baja is a huge battle.
What's the biggest lessonyou've learned in the first few
years of racing?
Score?

Speaker 3 (58:00):
in the first few years of racing score.
Well, I think that comes downto planning and preparation.
You know, it's like you can bea fast racer but without a good
team behind you, without theright equipment and the right
proper planning so that peopleare in the right places, and

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without having that, then that's, that's the whole deal, right
there?
Yeah, you know, yeah, you gottahave proper planning
preparation team effort, forsure.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Yeah, do you have anything to add to that?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
no, I think he's right, though too, and I mean
from layman terms.
You have to have balls of steel, like to race a motorcycle down
there, like it's just one ofthose things.
But you can't have one withoutthe other.
You have to have, you have tohave both.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Yeah, and I think it takes years to do that too.
I was also wondering that isBaja something that you kind of
got right off the bat, or was itlike years and years and years
of learning and learning to?

Speaker 3 (59:04):
finally like perfect something.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I'm still learning, but that's a good answer right,
because he was talking abouthe's just, he's been a sponge
his whole life.
Yeah, like he's just a goodlistener right like no matter
what happens, he's never gonnaquit.
It's always gonna get betteryeah.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
So you have to.
You know, it's like, yeah, we,we, we learned to a level and
then we were able to take thatlevel and and make a run where
we were winning all the time andand we knew what to do at that
point.
And we matured, matured asracers, matured as a team um,
you know with with your pitcrews and your and everybody, so

(59:39):
, um, that that is important andyou gotta, you gotta, put in
your dues.
I mean, you can go sometimes,you can go and win one, you know
you can get lucky or whatever,but to back that up and then to
do it again and again, there hasto be a something special there
.
So you know, there has to be arecipe, um, for success.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Did you ever get burnt out?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah, sure, there's times where it's like you're,
you're in it every single day.
You know it's like you'reworking in the shop, you're
testing, you're going to a race,you're traveling, you're
running, you're, you're doingall the stuff.
Um, you know, all year long andfor sure, if you get burned out
, it's like there's a lot of youknow.
You need to step back andremember.

(01:00:25):
Remember what life's about, andyou know the one thing is is
it's hard work, but it's notrocket science.
We're out there racing a dirtbike, we're racing an off-road
car, we're not here trying tosave the world, and so don't

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make it work, make it fun.
Try to keep that perspectiveand have a sense of humor in
yourself.
And when I say these things,things, I'm talking to myself in
the mirror, because I'm I'm theone of the last people that
have not been super seriousabout all this.
Right, this has been my lifeand how to win, and you know and

(01:01:11):
stuff, and so that was, uh, butI don't know.
You got to look in the mirrorand laugh at yourself because
we're all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
We're all a bunch of dorks yeah, it does take a
little like you got to have bothof those uh, I don't know
mentalities and you got to takea weekend and go to the lake and
just like, get your mind off ofit right, like it's just
totally it gets crazy and I canonly imagine some of the stuff
that you guys have done, becauseyou know being I don't want to
say because you said there wasgenerations before you too, but

(01:01:37):
like, let's just say on theforefront, as for a lack of a
better term is you guys werepaving the way for a lot of the
things that happen now.
Right, like you didn't knowwhen you were making these
decisions on the fly, like wasit stressful for you, like
during those times?

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Yeah, we had heavy stress.
I mean, like when Steve and Iwere winning and and stuff and
and then you know thecompetitions on you.
It's like we had every stressCause.
It's like we were, we werethere to win, we were paid to
win, we were, you know, and andthere was super, we were super
serious, I was stressed.
You know, I had hard highstress, I'm sure Steve and did

(01:02:15):
too.
So it's like we had the, thewhole, we're shouldering the
whole, you know American Hondaand our effort, and it's like we
wanted to win, we needed to winto keep our budget coming in
and so we can keep doing havingthis lifestyle, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
So yeah, it's a pressure, but it's also a good
pressure too.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
It's a great pressure .
It makes you and it makes yousharp yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Makes you.
Yeah, I definitely agree.
I'd say that's pretty goodadvice, because I definitely
want to take racing the longroute.
I want to go and do as much asI can and open as many doors as
I can.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
So well, you've done a lot so far, Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Yeah, I'm getting there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Well look you have your own show.

Speaker 3 (01:02:59):
Got your own show.
You get to race.
It's going pretty good, lookslike to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah, I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
So we had a comment come in right now, Johnny too,
that said, and I want to askthis because it's funny, right,
but in your opinion, who do youthink is the best up-and-coming
desert rider?
I think it starts with a P, butI mean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
There's.
You know it's hard to saybecause there's a handful right
now that's really good.
Of course.
Preston is one of them.
You got Carter Klein, you gotthe Eddie Cousins, you got
Dalton Shirey he's really good.
There's several, there's ahandful that are really sharp,

(01:03:51):
so I'm not going to hang my haton one.
We'll see who kind of rises tothe top in the next couple years
, but we'll see who's thedominant force.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yeah, I agree with that statement too, and I'll
take it one step further too andI'll say I will almost
guarantee it's going to be oneof the kids that listens the
most it could be.
You know you got to have thewhole package yeah, I definitely
agree you got a lot ofquestions on here, bill, who was
one of your role models,growing up and kind of starting

(01:04:21):
your racing career.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Well, early on, before I really knew off-road
racing that much, I watchedmotocross and all that.
And so guys like Johnny O'Meara, ricky Johnson, david Bailey,
jeff Ward, these guys were myheroes.
You know, jeff ward, these guyswere my heroes.

(01:04:43):
And then, uh, and then once Istarted kind of following into,
learned about baja, learnedabout off-road racing and stuff,
and then it was like the bruceogilvie's, chuck millers, you
know, these guys were, um, theywere honda guys.
I I just, you know, love thebrand and stuff, and so they
were.
I was a big fan of them and andand I was a big fan of their
grit and, uh, guys like in inrossler too, I mean just,

(01:05:07):
they're just so gritty becausethey were tough and they knew
how to overcome things and andgo fast and win races yeah, and
those are special traits and yougot to be pretty intuitive to
actually figure that out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
so for him to understand that, and like I
don't want to say, I know he's aracer too, so he was probably
diagnosing it.
How can I be that great, like,how can?

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
I do it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
As you've come through the years.
Bella has a great question onhere.
We talk about camaraderie andfriendships and different things
like that, and family and allthat stuff, cause that's why the
show is called the dirt life,right?
Um, she mentioned, uh has aquestion on here saying what are
some of the most or longest orlifelong friendships that you've
had during all of this tenure?

(01:05:51):
You know, playing in the dirtoh, wow, we've.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
we've built tons of relationships, you know, um
there, um there's uh gosh, I, Ican't even.
I can't even say one, my mind'sgoing crazy on how many you
know.
But uh, yeah, I think, like uh,chuck Miller, you know he's
still around, he, he retired outof Honda and and uh and so he

(01:06:18):
still comes around and he helpsme weekly and stuff and he's
always kind of a voice of reasonfor me and a good mentor.
So I mean, the Miller familyhas been awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
And you know it's like.
It's one of those things, bill,like I guarantee every week
Johnny's sitting there, he's inthe shop or he's in the house,
he gets a phone call or whatever, and he's like shop or he's in
the house, he gets a phone callor whatever and he's like no way
I haven't talked to you inforever.
what's going on, dude?
Like that's just the way itgoes right, because the way that
our industry is and the waythat the the racing community is
, you just get to love and bewith so many people all the time

(01:06:54):
and they're in such either highstress or low stress situations
that you get all thatfluctuation, so they just become
lifelong friends like Bella'squestion.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah, yeah.
And being able to experience asport with them that you love
just as much and have just asmuch passion for is also super
cool.
I think you can do that withany other, any other sport too,
but racing I feel like it's alittle more special.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
So yeah, it definitely is I in special.
So, yeah, it definitely is I inin our racing, and our sport of
off-road racing is muchdifferent than other forms of
motorsports as well.
It's, you know, we're adifferent breed or a different
type of of community and so, um,you know that's I think that

(01:07:37):
that's a good point is just, uh,we're, we're an off-road family
, you know, and and you gottalove it and love all the, all
the hurdles Cause, cause it's abig adventure and that's what we
love.
We're adventure seekers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Speaking of other aspects of racing, um, did you
ever have the desire to competein motocross or supercross, or
was all your energy focused ondesert?

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
I think early on when I was a teenager, yeah, I
wanted to race motocross andstuff and I was introduced to it
.
But it was difficult myposition at that point when I
was a kid and I lost my dad andstuff and so it was hard to get
to tracks or get to a place Icould practice and stuff, and so
I started racing Grand Prix'sand and some local desert stuff.

(01:08:23):
And then I was introduced toBaja and stuff.
So it what I liked about it was, uh, off-road racing was I got
to ride a long time.
I loved riding a long time, andwhen I go to motocross you get
a couple of laps of practice, athree lap moto, and then you got
to wait all day for the nextthree laps and there you go.
And so I was just like you knowwhat?
I want to ride my dirt bike.

(01:08:44):
I want to race my dirt bike.
So that's what attracted me tooff-road racing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Was the endurance and just how long you were on the
bike by yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
It sounds like maybe some of the freedom though, too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Yeah, yeah, the endurance part was great, um and
uh.
I always, you know, I alwayslove just riding a long time and
being on the bike a long timeand I could say that, um, you
know, a couple events that thatreally put puts that to the test
, you know, is like the dakarrally, where you're on the in

(01:09:16):
the saddle a long time, dayafter day after day after day,
um the six days enduro, isde,and also um, a couple times in
baja, like we virtually splitthe race in half from from
tijuana la paz, or, uh, ensenadola paz, you know, or cabo, it's
like I rode a couple times withjimmy lewis, uh, and it's like

(01:09:39):
I rode the a couple of timeswith Jimmy Lewis, uh, and it's
like I rode the first half,first 500 miles, and he rode the
second 500 miles, you know, andbe on the bottom.
So I remember leaving Tijuana in, uh, 1995, bottom of a thousand
.
We started downtown Tijuana,raced out the riverbed, got in
the Hills, went over to Mexicali, then went south.

(01:10:00):
My section to San Ignacio aboveSan Ignacio was like 620 miles,
good God, it took me like 12hours.
I got off the bike, left it sunup, got off the bike at sundown
.

Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
That's insane.
I want to know a couple thingsabout that.
What did you eat along the way?
Did you eat while you weremoving, or did you eat?
Uh, did you take a break?

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Like you, not eat at all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah Well, and then after that, like how do you like
you get off the bike and take apiss, like what do you guys do?

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Um, Well, you pee while you're on the bike.
For one it's kind of gross, butyou do.
And then eating I only ate alittle bit at one of the pits
when they were refueling me, andthen I just kept going.
But hey, when you're 25, you'rea machine, and I had more focus

(01:10:52):
and adrenaline than I hadreally strength.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah well, and they didn't have Uncrustables then,
so you had to have a normal PB&Jsandwich, right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
They had to have had Uncrustables then.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I think this was the only bologna sandwich I've had
since I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Really Bologna sandwich is crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
There you go but at that point you'd take anything,
man yeah, for sure, Throw someketchup on a rock and you're
good to go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
That's true.
I do agree with you, though,like some people will ask me,
how you, how you not eat or goso long without eating.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
So there you go he's got a friend over there too.
What kind of she's whining atme?
Oh is she.
She needs some assistance.
Yeah, she probably does doglover.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
but yeah, no, I.
And then like telling them likeyou know, I had a string cheese
before I went off, but that'spretty much out.
It's like it for my 12-day raceor 12-hour race, and they're
like what?
But I get it.
Like you're not hungry, you'remore worried about you know how
I'm going to get to this nextpit or I'm a lot different now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
It's like I got to eat.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Yeah, well, that's why I asked those questions,
cause like I've I've done a lotof endurance, road bike racing
and stuff like that, like a tourde France kind of shit, and
like you eat on the bike and youpiss on the bike, like you do
everything on the bike and solike, so what you're saying is
basically the same thing, right?

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
Yeah, yeah, basically the same thing, right, yeah,
yeah, basically just.
Uh, you know, back then it'slike you I just went because
you're young and strong andwhatever, and but like, as you
get older, you you learn, it'slike you know.
That probably wasn't thesmartest thing.
I could have been much better,much faster, if I would have ate
at certain places along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Yep, yeah, but you can pass on all that information
to everybody else that you'rehelping now too.
So all right, bella, let's givehim a one or two more questions
and then we'll wind it down forhim so he can get with the dog
and get some dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Yeah, for sure.
Um, I want to make these goodif we're going to.
I did want to bring up dust toglory one because I didn't know,
I've never watched it until Iwatched it with my dad the other
day.
And um, well, first of all,it's an awesome film, but, um,
it's based, if you guys don'tknow, it's based off the heart

(01:13:04):
and history of racing, the baja1000.
Um, can you tell us a littlebit about that, because you make
an appearance a couple times inthat movie.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
So yeah, that was fun , I mean dust of glory.
Dana brown came along, um,right in the middle of uh, kind
of my pinnacle of my careerreally, and so that was a
special time.
We uh got filmed in oh three atthe 2003 bob 1000 and we did a
unique loop that year, um, whereit kind of went um, I guess it

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would be counterclockwise so wecame down the pacific side and
then back up the gulf and thenback over to ensenada, so steve
and I ended up splitting it inhalf, kind of um, but not really
we.
I started and right away I hada, uh, right away I had, let's

(01:13:57):
see, I had a pretty good lead,about 60 miles and I hit, I hit
a rock really freaking hard andlike just about broke my thumb.
I didn't crash, I didn't crash,but I had to.
I stopped because the bike wasshaking and I ended up blowing
like about I don't know, five orsix spokes out of the front
wheel.
So then I had to nurse the biketo the highway and then the

(01:14:21):
race tightened up and then, um,yeah, and then I gave the bike
to steve and had to nurse mywrist and uh, then we had gotten
to that uh, epic battle.
Um, my, my lead shrank, uh,because of my wrist then, uh,
then Steve got caught by Grider.
We got past the pits and then Ichased Grider through all that

(01:14:43):
silt and crap down by the coast,um, and then I caught back up
to him on the highway cause wehad a huge highway section right
after we went down the beach.
Um, we had like 60 miles orsomething it was crazy from
catavina all the way to chapala,and that was because, uh, they
had to change the course, um,during pre-running because a

(01:15:05):
huge silt section, oh.
But, um, then I handed the bikeoff to steve uh down by chapala
and then he took it in, uh, allthe way back from there.
But actually we had BruceOgilvie, our manager, split that
section because I couldn't getback over to help him split that
section.
So Bruce rode like 30 miles ofwhoops, gave him a break during

(01:15:29):
the night and then Steve went onto win.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I can imagine how that went down.
So, bruce, you're cool doingall these whoops for 30 minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
You know what Bruce wanted to race?
He was actually my age oh okay,he was like 53 at that time and
so he actually became theoldest guy to ever win an
overall on a bike.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
Yes, should we do it?
Should we do the applause?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, he did that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
Yeah, so that was uh, that was pretty cool.
And and to back that up, likeBruce, our manager and my mentor
, he, he wrote with me the firsttime I won a score race, so it
was, uh, it was kind of he.
He, he rode with me the firsttime I won a score race, so it
was uh, it was kind of he was,he was a unique guy with, uh,

(01:16:23):
just a ton of knowledge.
But getting back to dust, toglory, um, yeah, what a
phenomenal time of of justdocumenting Baja racing, um, on
the big screen.
And and you know, right afterthat, as you saw, like there was
a humongous influx, like weshot the thing in 03.
It didn't come out till 05.
Once it hit 05, there was fourand a half, there was like

(01:16:48):
almost 500 entries, yeah, at theBaja 500 or the Baja 1000.
It's like everybody's like, oh,I got Baja fever, we got to go
do this, you know, and so theyuh, so we got this huge influx
before everything tanked in away but, um, but yeah, that that
movie and that really showcased, uh, you know, not just our

(01:17:11):
race but but the truck race andthe gnarliness, and, you know,
dealing with the cops pullingthe trucks over, you know, and
that whole thing.
And then it showed theprivateers and you know the guys
that come out and you know theMexican team and the Baja bug
and stuff like that.
Just it captured so much of theflavor of what Baja is all

(01:17:36):
about.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
It was really well done, it was remarkable and the
way that they built thecharacter sets and all that
stuff.
You couldn't really ask foranything more.
The thing that we've been doingI wasn't around for I didn't
know about Offroad in that time,but Bella and I always talk
about it It'd be nice to be ableto have that same kind of
concept and that same kind ofviewer capacity now, because we

(01:18:01):
really need to push it and getit growing again right, so I
hope that some of the stuff thatwe're doing will help it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:08):
Yeah, and just think about this there was no drones
then, right.
There's no drone footage at all.
We had guys on bikes, you hadguys in helicopters, you had the
old school real deal stuffgoing down that film that.
Just think of the productionthat they could do now.
If the funding was there, youcan really really focus really

(01:18:32):
good.
It would be pretty remarkable.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
That's what I'm saying, Bello.
We're pretty close to having abike.
Do a full live stream of abaha1000.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
I'm ready for this.
Put one on my car, let's go.
All right, let's get one morequestion.
Do you want to ask it?
No, I'm cool with it.
I like your questions that yougot, dude I mean I got a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
I was pretty excited.
So let's see, oh, this one's agood one.
So I know, like for my racingteam, me and Cruz, my brother,
raced together.
But um, when we do like longraces, like Vegas, Torino,
that's coming up I'm going to doaround 300 to 350 miles and
then I'll pass it off to Cruz.

(01:19:14):
But I usually start the racesbecause I'm better during the
daytime and I'm more energizedin the morning.
That's my strength.
But I was wondering for you,like what's your kind of dynamic
for your team?
Like, do you start off as thefirst rider or do you kind of
break it up in the middle or doyou end the race?

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
That's a great question Um.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
I think we strategize to the rider's strengths as
well.
Um, you know, in my career I Iwas usually starting the bike
and then, when you build, wasusually finishing the bike
because he was super good atnight.
He was very, very good nightrider, so I'd usually start and
then he'd finish.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's once you got it dialed, I feel
like it's, it's set and it'sgood and you can try other
things.
But when you have your plan andyou know it's works and it's
successful, then you stick withit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
Yeah, and then you start learning from experience,
like just like what Johnny saidthat you can play to everybody's
strengths right For sure.
You guys are doing that withyour team too, man, it's.
It's been so cool to talk withyou, johnny.
I really appreciate you takingthe time and, uh, I want to say
another thing too.
I think it's really cool thatBella's doing all this stuff and
getting her show lined up.
You know cause?
You've been on our list afterwe talked with Jamie before, but

(01:20:29):
, uh, bella did it, she took iton her own and she got you on
the show, dude.
So thank you very much forcoordinating everything with her
and getting her all the footageand photos and all that stuff.
It was really cool to see.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Yeah, it's awesome.
Thank you, Bella.
You're doing a wonderful job.
Just keep up the hard work andyou know, the successes will
come, because it's a product ofyour hard work and efforts.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Yeah, thank you so much.
I greatly appreciate it.
It was so much fun talking toyou and learning from you and
soaking up all the knowledge.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Um, I hope to see you guys and your team out on the
racetrack in August, but it'llbe fun, yeah, we'll.
We'll probably be close tofinishing when you're starting,
but yeah we will but thank youso much.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I had a great talk.
It was super cool.

Speaker 1 (01:21:14):
Yeah, and John, thank you very much for everything
that you've done Well in yourcareer.
Congratulations on everythingyou've done.
But I think some of the stuffthat's more heartfelt and
meaningful to the whole industryis what you're doing to give
back.
So please don't stop doing that.
Keep doing it, Keep beingyourself.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Yeah, thank you guys.
I really appreciate it,appreciate, appreciate it and
appreciate the time.
Yeah, you guys are awesomethanks, buddy bye, johnny yep,
take care.
Have a good night you too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
See you later bye, bye so we'll let him uh sign off
here.
But uh, bell, let's just thankall the sponsors.
Uh well, first let's thankeverybody for watching.
You guys are a lifeblood.
Um, it was so cool to talk withjohnny.
He's such a legend and wereally appreciate everybody
watching.
We already said at thebeginning of the show, but
you're more than welcome to goto iTunes, share it with all

(01:21:59):
your friends, you know, do uh,do everything that you can to
help Bella grow her show.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
Yeah, for sure.
I greatly appreciate it.
You guys are the reason I dothis.
It's so much fun, but beingable to, you know, open the
doors to more opportunities andmeeting people and talking to
people, I'm having a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Yeah well, you're doing a great job.
That's why you're still doingit right.
Thanks to the guys over at KMCWheels.
Like Bella said, go down to4WheelParts, get some more
wheels.
Thanks to the guys at MaxxisTires.
Thank you to Motul, shockTherapy, jl Audio, evolution,
power Sports, zonder RacingProducts, vision, canopies and
Starstream.
What's next?
Vegas to Reno, vegas to Reno.

(01:22:38):
See you guys at Vegas to Reno.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Bye.
Thanks for listening to theDirt Life Show.
See you next time.

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