Morgan Clarke - Life, Design, and Future - The Dirt Life

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome to the Dirt.
Life Show with your host,George Hamel.
You did a show.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
You remember it's been about a year, I think dang
dude.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
So, uh, is this like a yearly vip appearance, or do
you want to do it more?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
oh, I'd love to do it more.
I love being on this show.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Thanks, dude.
We love having everybody on theshow too, so let's get through
all our sponsors and stuff, buttoday we have a really cool show
I can't wait to see, to talkwith our uh guests.
Tonight we got morgan clark on,so a lot of you guys will know
him already by the rad cars thathe's developed, and really you
know him a little bit too.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yep, yep, we share the uh the pre-runner world.
Uh, love, uh, that's how Ireached out to him because of my
background in pre-runners anduh, we just became friends
through the internet and we talkon the phone and, um, kind of
just went from there.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Dude pre-runners have gotten so gnarly.
Today too, dude, they're gnarly, but he's come up with some
pretty cool stuff, so we'regoing to talk with him about
that.
But one of the things thatwe've been doing a lot more
lately on the Dirt Life Show istalking about life like life in
general, and what I mean by thatis what it takes to get to
positions like where Morgan is.
Battles that you have to fightthrough.
There's all kinds of differentthings.

(01:30):
Every single person on theplanet fights their own battles
and has their own issues, andeven if it's just in your head
or with your family or helpingyour friends or whatever, it is
right.
So, what's up, ryan?
Prosser Ando.
What's up?
So we'd like you guys to commentin when we get nice and deep
with Morgan.
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(01:51):
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What's up, jason?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Hey, do we know that guy Morgan Clark?
Yeah, morgan.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Clark view request.
So we're going to invite Morganor we're going to get Morgan on
in just a second.
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(02:32):
Thanks to guys over at max'stires, we just had a fantastic
time with those guys over atcrandon.
That was a sick race.
Um, it was cool to see all ofthe uh tire development and how
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(02:53):
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helped us with all the livestreaming stuff too.
They've been at Vegas Arena.

(03:14):
Jacob did pretty good, man andTodd as well.
So, thanks to the guys over atZollinger Racing Products.
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UTV or side-by-side.
Thanks to the guys over atVision Canopies, kyle and all
those guys.
Corey Winter did really good.
He ran one of the star streamunits in his car.
Vision canopies truck didawesome at crandon.
Uh, yeah, and then another plugthanks to star stream.
So if you guys haven't seen ityet, go check out the live stuff
.
Uh, all right.
Uh, anything else you want tosay before we get morgan on mila

(03:57):
?
Uh, real crap, we had a poorconnection right there, sorry
guys.
So what'd you say, mila?

Speaker 2 (04:04):
uh, we are not live on YouTube right now.
Yeah, not on.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
YouTube, just Instagram.
Watch it on Instagram and thenwe're going to post it later so
you can hit it up on ApplePodcasts.
Let's get Morgan on.
We're going to connect.
I'll go through his intro realquick.
Let's see here.
Here, actually we'll wait andsee if we can connect with him

(04:28):
real quick.
What's?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
up there, he is what's up, dude?

Speaker 1 (04:32):
is the connection good?
I think ours is kind of shit,but it's all right, hey?
So, uh, let me do the introreal quick.
Uh, today's guest is a designer, fabric and builder
specializing in motorsports and,more specifically, off-road.
His creativity andoutside-the-box thinking has
been showcased around the world.

(04:52):
His work is top-notch, but hislife is even better.
He has a mindset that haspushed him to overcome battles
within himself and to progressforward and help others.
We are very excited to divedeeper into the show and story
and see what makes him tick.
Morgan Clark, welcome to theshow.
What's up?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Savage Dude for real, hey, so I was checking out.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Check this desk out.
Check this desk out.
Let's check it out.
Do you remember these?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
No, way it doesn't flip but it's still pretty,
pretty solid so you got a trapfor keeper under that thing,
dude, yeah is there is there a?

Speaker 1 (05:30):
bunch of gum, a bunch of gum still under there no,
this one's raw.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
There's no graffiti scribes in it or anything that's
right.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Is logan sitting there?

Speaker 3 (05:39):
we got it for him for something I forget what it was.
For.
Now it just lives in the office, right?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
so, uh, be a good one to like lean into you know you
just chill, yeah, so give us alittle bit of a background on uh
.
You know where you came fromand like what, uh, what brought
you into the off-road culture?

Speaker 3 (06:00):
okay, and you know, like we talked about I, I think
sometimes this stuff does getrepetitive on podcasts, but it
is part of my story and that'sjust that's how it goes, you
know, and there's always adifferent viewer and demographic
per podcast or whatever.
I rode dirt bikes.
I started late riding dirtbikes.

(06:20):
I always wanted a dirt bike.
I watched like the movie dirtbike kid when I was younger.
That was the shit and I startedwriting.
89 yz80, peter billings I thinkit was a car, was it?
Yeah, yeah, but it.
I saw that and then I started.
I started racing dirt bikes,district 37, uh, like in the
desert, and that was 14, 15years old.

(06:42):
There was some local kids andand one of the guys, scott hyatt
, he had this white ranger and Iremember when they were marking
the course, like maybe a daybefore or two days before or
something, I was out therebefore I had a race and I saw
this ranger like going throughwith big proportions, like it
was the old rain gutter and ithad, like you know, probably 33s

(07:04):
on it or 35s and it had bigfenders and it had a bed cage
and stuff.
And that was the old raingutter and it had, like you know
, probably 33s on it or 35s andit had big fenders and it had a
bed cage and stuff.
And that was the first time Isaw a pre-runner, and I didn't
even know what it was and I knowit wasn't an actual pre-runner,
but it was still the spirit ofone.
That's the, the one thatchanged me.
And then I was riding xr50s,like in my neighbor's backyard

(07:25):
and stuff, and we had a trackand this was right.
When, like 50s came about andmaybe 2000 or so, um, and I
broke the swing arm or somethingand I looked up in the in the
clark phone book a place to forwelding repair and the welding
repair place I went to they'relike, oh, we can't do it, but
this place, solo motorsports can.

(07:45):
And then I go over to solomotorsports and I never even
knew people build these thingsand like I met Bobby and Carl
and I was just like, oh my god,I saw like bead rolled panels on
firewalls and all this majesticshit dude, like that was the
first time.
And and he had a little like a3 by five photograph in their

(08:06):
office of one of the old obs,chevy herbstrucks, the mike
smith pre-runners, and it waslike just everything was drooped
out.
It was coming off like aplateau, like coming to the at
you and it was this gobs oftravel in this beam silver auto
and that was.
That was the whole time, likewhere things changed, where I
like I discovered this was athing dude, that's so sick, was

(08:30):
that?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
like would you say 2000 yeah definitely.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I think 99 or 2000, for sure, that's like the
whole like lamborghini pictureon the wall.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Everybody has their sports car like that yeah, or a
testarossa.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
You know, I had that too like a diablo testarossa, um
, that sparked it.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Go ahead if you guys have questions so I was gonna
say uh, so how old were you?
With the 50s you could rollover to solo 16, okay, so so
where did you go from there?
Like how did you get into it?
Like rolling in, cause?
The reason I ask is a lot ofpeople are like dude, I just
don't know if I can go to a shop.
I don't know, I don't want tosweep the floors first.
How did you roll into itTotally?

Speaker 3 (09:13):
Um, so I, I, I got, I saw the pre-runner thing and I
got like enamored by it.
And then I knew like Scott highand I started building a
relationship with Bobby andstuff and just discovering
pre-runners and that was likefire where I went on forums, you
know, like race desert andstuff, desert rangers for sure I
think my name was Clark ondesert rangers.

(09:34):
Um, and my mom, my mom was mybiggest supporter when I was
younger and she was, she waslike a tomboy, she was a
beautiful woman but she was likeshe went to Arcadia high school
and she, she was a tomboy butshe took, she, she filled in the
father figure with me a lot.
And the first car I got, I gotthis.
There's this off-road shopcalled t and j off-road in

(09:57):
orange and they always have thiscrazy jeep class eight thing.
But they also race best in thedesert.
Put together this class.
I forget what it was for, Iknow it's for vegas torino, but
they also race best in thedesert.
Put together this class.
I forget what it was for, Iknow it's for vegas torino, but
they had this explorer that wasfor sale.
My buddy garrett worked atdonahoe racing, uh, back when
that was still a thing.
And you know, I told him I'mlike I'm looking for a pre-order

(10:18):
, like something inexpensive orwhatever, and t and j off-road
have this explorer.
And it was a night.
It's like what everybody'sgetting into now.
Those like 94, four doors, yep,yep, it was that, and it was
eddie bauer and it had 33s on it, auburn pro posies, 513 gears.
It had two and a half inchbypasses like swayaways,

(10:38):
bypasses under the, the bed,like deavers, all this shit, and
it was all inch and a halfchromoly cage and my mom and I
went to go check that thing outand we ended up buying it and
that was like my first truck isa four liter, like an Atlas
transfer case in it, dude.
And that dude it was so goodbecause it was just on the brink
of not going fast enough so youcouldn't get through the big

(10:59):
shit that would really fuck yourstuff up.
So you could have all this funand you could drive it to the
desert and then you could justdude, I would blow the back
windows out.
I'd blow the back windows outjust from pressure and then,
like Taylor, my wife, like she'sbeen with me since I was 16.
We would drive that to OcotilloWells, we'd sleep in the back.
Drive it all weekend, drive ithome, you know, get like a flat

(11:21):
dude that's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I'm sure right about that time you're doing that I've
crossed paths with you ahundred times because I was out
at all the teowells everyweekend yeah about that time?

Speaker 3 (11:32):
yeah, we do it all and we'd go, like we'd go to the
mdr races, and it was.
That was the awesome stuff,dude, because you just have
music on and you like go andyou'd spectate at a spot and
you'd watch cars come throughand then you'd go somewhere else
and that was your day dude, Imiss mdr, such a vibe.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Just go out for the day and watch those guys rally
around.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
No money, yeah, just fun, cool shit, just fun.
Yeah, dude, it's kind of crazyto think about how all of this
dirt life like sparked all ofthis interest in us to do, I
don't know, all these differentthings.
Right, like I mean buildingcars now with you guys.
Like you know, I had, I had aprofessional career for a little

(12:11):
while racing, and like it'sjust so crazy and to think about
like that, like because I wantthis, this show, to be more
about life, um, but to thinkabout how kids these days don't
have the opportunity to do that,and your mom gave you the
opportunity.
It seems like a small thing atthe time and she probably didn't
qualify it as a big decision.

(12:33):
Yeah, but look at how it shapedthe path that you went so you
want me to keep going?
yeah, for sure so.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Then I saw andrew Neal's on here.
I got.
I was like 16 and a half 17.
I was a gnarly kid with Iwasn't drinking or doing drugs,
I was just getting in fights.
I got expelled from Bonita myfreshman year and then I went to
Lutheran.
I met Taylor there Halfway intomy junior year.

(13:05):
I got expelled from there forfighting.
And then then my mom, like I wasditching school to ride dirt
bikes in Beaumont three days aweek, like Beaumont was our spot
and we would like my buddyBlake Thorpe.
We'd park in the back, likewhere they couldn't even see our
bikes in the back of the truck,and then at lunch we'd just
leave and we do it like threetimes a week and I came really
close to not passing high schoolbecause of this stuff and my

(13:26):
mom.
I was having anger issues likemy whole younger life and I was
blowing up on people and blowingup on my mom, treating her like
shit, and she felt like therewas no other option for me but
to send me away to a boardingschool.
And that was when I was 17.
So like 3 am it was on a Fridaynight.

(13:46):
3 am she's like hey, you can'thave anybody spend the night,
and usually I have people spendthe night like every weekend,
and she's like you can't haveanybody spend the night, I still
have my buddy Jeff spend thenight.
So at like 3 am, this big-assdude and this woman came in and,
like my mom wasn't even there,they just came in like Morgan,
you're going with us?
I was like just not even I wasso phased by it being you know

(14:11):
early morning that I wasn'tprepared.
And they, they kicked my buddyJeff out and they're like yeah,
you don't.
You know, you don't have achoice.
You can either do this the easyway or the hard way.
This is what your mom has usdoing house.
I was doing um, and I was sofucking angry, dude, and I I
didn't understand it at firstand so, like you know, I got up,
I got my clothes on and then mymom was just like in her face

(14:32):
crying, and in the living roomand they're like you have
anything to say?
And I was like mom, I had tolook at me.
I was like fuck you.
And I just like left middle ofnight, didn't know like we were
on an airplane.
We flew out of ontario and thenI landed, didn't know like we
were on an airplane.
We flew out of Ontario and thenI landed I didn't know we were
even in Idaho.
I went to this wilderness bootcamp and then I went to an
emotional growth boarding school, northwest Academy for, you

(14:55):
know, past 18 years old andgraduated and, you know, got a
good high school diploma out ofthat thing and I got a ton of
emotional growth and emotionaldevelopment from that place.
But just to fast forward, thatthat's when I was 18.
So I still have this Explorer.
Before I left to go to thatschool I rolled it and I rolled

(15:16):
it in the most dumb ass way.
I was behind a gas station in adirt lot and I caught a rut you
know typical dude and then onthe lit.
So it was sitting in storageforever.
Got it back when I was, youknow, out of there, probably
like 19, and my buddy, andrewNeal like he started this shop,
neal Motorsports, and we startedin his garage and then we we

(15:38):
brought it over there and I likeI'm like I'm gonna redo this
thing and I had Bobby at Sololike make six-inch over
four-wheel drive beams all TIGwelded.
I cut the front out Like I juststarted removing way more stuff
off of it than parts that Icould afford.
You know the typical.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Typical yep, Take it apart.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
Got to make it a race car man, I'm like I'll get it,
We'll get this.
We're going to get this for like, with no means of understanding
of the finances it's going totake to get.
Did I ruin so many cars doingthe same thing?
Yeah, it's just.
Yeah, it's literally just it,it definitely.
But the thing is it gave methat.
That explorer gave me severallearning opportunities, because

(16:16):
that's kind of the ticket, Ithink.
With a lot of getting intoentry-level fabrication, it's so
hard to just jump in, evensweeping the floors.
Man, it's just tough forcompanies that are thrashing.
They want, like, experiencedfabricators and I think that the
best way to do it, if you cando it, is to cut your teeth on
your own shit, like regardless,and that's what I did with the
explorer.
We cut it apart, I putcoilovers on this and that built

(16:37):
this engine cage that you know.
Neil closed that thing downpretty soon.
Then it goes into my garage andthen I'm like I'm gonna rebuild
this now I know some more stuff.
I'm gonna cut this out.
I'm gonna fuck, I got it thewhole cage, cut the floors out
like two inch chromoly in there.
This is when I was like 22.
I was just doing it out of mygarage.
I had a air-cooled TIG welder,you know, and this let's go to

(17:01):
18 again.
When I came back I didn't knowwhat I was gonna do with with my
life.
I came back I was very cleansedemotionally.
I was almost like an airhead,because I was, so I was not
immune to how the world works.
I was like in a bubble of likelove and acceptance there.
And then I'd start seeingviolence and all this shit and
it was traumatic kind of.
And I was just.

(17:22):
I got a job working with mystepdad at 18 and that was entry
level fabrication.
He owned her dig ink.
Um, it was a non-unionstructural steel and iron worker
shop.
Big, big, gnarly shit, five toncap cranes, bay cranes, you
know presses, all the big heavyduty stuff.

(17:43):
And the guys there, even thoughI was my stepdad, I was the son
they did not treat me like that.
They treated me like I was agrunt and so I was like, well, I
was, I was not welding at all,I was sanding a handrail for
months, dang like dude.
That's crazy, like you know,like on horses, that the shop's
not sealed, it's just like twobig you know roofs and then each

(18:03):
end is open.
So they like fly stuff, a crane, set it in my area and then I'd
have like a big old Cadillacgrinder, you know like, with a
big old stone wheel on it, andI'd sit there, for you know,
months straight and justfinishing out where all their
nasty-ass flux core welds are onthe doors.
Dude, that's wild right.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Do you know why they do that?

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Why.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
We do it in off-road.
You give them the hardest moststupid, ridiculous job, to see
if they can cut their teeth onit, if they can do it for months
and not be a bitch about it.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
You give them more stuff.
You're totally right.
And it's also just to learn thefundamentals, dude, you have to
think about it like that too.
You shouldn't be able to haveyour dessert and do your fucking
welding and all this unless youfucking have all your
vegetables and all this shitfirst, like the same, you know.
So then it trickled into okay,I want you to.
You're going to use thishydraulic punch and you need to
use the crane, so you're gonna,you know, you're gonna pick

(18:56):
stuff and then you're gonna putit over here and you're gonna
punch these things and finishthat.
And that's what I did.
And then all of a sudden I'musing like the big automated,
like horizontal bandsaw, youknow, like a lubricated bandsaw
with auto feed, and doing thatfor months, you know it didn't.
I never welded, you know, for ayear.
And then finally I startedtrickling into the welding.

(19:18):
Gary closed that big shop inCity of Industry and he moved
down to San Clemente at the sametime.
I was doing a lot of drivingfor him.
So I'd have like this dodgediesel that he had a big old
dually stick shift, you knowlike six speed cummins thing,
and I'd take a gooseneck todifferent water treatment plants
and drop stuff off using athomas guide and all that.

(19:39):
I miss those you don't missthose dude you can do it the
hard way, you can do it the easyway yeah, and I think those are
great to have, especially ifshit hits the fan.
I think Thomas guys are epic,you know.
So that trickled into goingdown to San Clemente and that
was like 20 still, maybe 19 or20, and I learned, I started

(20:02):
learning from Rick down there.
He was, he worked at San Onofreat the nuclear power plant and
he was like a very fundamentalTIG welder guy, by the book,
certified, you know, like everyseason he was he, and so that's
how I started learning TIGwelding is I never learned TIG
welding from motorsports.
I learned TIG welding from likehardcore, you know metal, fab,

(20:27):
ironworking, like what tungstens, this, that absolutely no pulse
.
You know like just fundamentals, and it was a great.
When I look at it, like backthen I was just working a job, I
was smoking weed, like takingbong tokes at lunch, you know
all this shit, and I didn't lookat what it was doing.
And what it was doing is it wasbuilding insane tools for my

(20:48):
toolbox, my life toolbox,because, dude, it's the same
thing.
We were doing structural andarchitectural and I was starting
to take all the weight and theload from the architectural side
.
So all the aluminum and thestainless, all the finishing all
the sanding.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
All that was me you know and I was learning how to
guys never understand how itcrosses over.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
And then like when it does cross over.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
You're like Whoa, wait a minute.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yeah, so that stuff gave me a great premise.
When I look at it now and it,it took a lot of years to figure
out like wow, that was a greattool, instead of just like man'm
fucking, I'm just this deadbeatdude that you know I, I'm just
a replaceable person.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know, that's.
That's exactly what I alwaysthink about, though, too.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Go ahead no, I was gonna say when you have the
mindset of I'm just areplaceable person yeah that's
the worst I've been there and itjust.
You just go to work like, yeah,whatever it's gonna get.
Well, yeah, but before there is.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
There is, uh, an argument.
Point to that, though, too,because, like the world now is
entitlement like everybody'sentitled, yeah and they don't
think that they're replaceable,like that.
So once you show them thatthey're replaceable, it's like
hey, fuck you, dude.
Like we can replace you in aday.
Like you better work your assoff to get better.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
I totally agree with that.
I totally agree with that.
But I think, like when you're,when you're young and morgan,
I'm sure, even though you weredoing the structural for your
stepdad, um, you were probablystill mindset I want to build my
, my, my explorer right or likeI was like my thing yeah so
you're going to work and you'reand I'm not putting words in

(22:18):
your mouth but if it was me, mymindset was always cars and you
know other stuff.
And I actually started out notan off-road, I used to build
beer tanks.
When I first, at 17, I startedbuilding beer tanks, um, and,
like you just said, some ofthose tools I learned
transferred over the finish work, I think, is where I benefited
from it, because the beersystems had to be perfect.

(22:40):
Um, but you're in a differentmindset.
You're like I don't want to behere I was at least, and then it
transferred into I hate my job,I want to go somewhere else did
you guys use that?

Speaker 1 (22:50):
or, morgan, did you use that as motivation, or did
you were just like?
I don't know here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
I didn't have ambition like I did or like I do
now.
It was I.
I was so like I was stillconsumed with partying, right,
like Like doing coke drinkingand smoking weed during the day,
all day.
I was a stoner Like.
I was a heavy duty stoner, so Idon't think my ambitions were
in check at all.
Uh, at least for that period oftime.
I got in some trouble, uh lawtrouble in 19, 20, and then

(23:22):
still working for my stepdad.
There was like to transition tothe next part is I always have
been drawing.
That's been my life, like thistable or this desk reminds me of
that, because it's either I wasgoing to sleep on this thing or
I was drawing on this thing.
Throughout my years of schoolwhere it was an issue.
It was a huge issue.
The teachers were like alwayscalling in meetings with my

(23:44):
parents Morgan's going to stopdrawing.
We tell him to stop.
He doesn't.
Like all my friends I used todraw stuff for and I wanted to
design cars.
When I got in that bout oftrouble, I started to look at,
like what do I want to really do?
Am I going to keep doing metalwork or should I like pursue
this thing and that was where Idid get a drive and I I think it

(24:05):
was just from being a littlebit sick and tired, but I wasn't
done with my vices yet.
Um and I, I started takingcourses to go to arts and recall
design.
Um, to take prerequisitecourses to be accepted, because
they, they're very stringentwith their portfolios.
You can't just like get, give aportfolio and get in like
they'll fail you and they did.
They failed me once and then Ikept going, uh, and then I got

(24:26):
accepted.
That was too.
That's just important with thisbecause that was a huge part of
my sense of design with stuffas I went to design school on.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
That was like my dream but those things don't
just happen, though, because,like you're everything that
you've described to date,whether you talk about any of
the, the in your words, I thinkyou said something like the uh
well, the stoner and the, thestuff that you were not praised
for, right, you fighting and allthis stuff yeah, the vices
that's already used Uh, thosestill were were a big piece of

(25:03):
the equation in your life, butyou never lost the drive.
You always had a passion fordoing something.
You didn't stop work.
You still went to work.
Even if it sucked, you stillwent and grinded it out Like you
were still a hard worker.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Definitely, and I think that's part of that is
ADHD, which I do believe in.
I don't, like you know somepeople will think that's
bullshit, but I I I know that'sa thing.
Part of that is is just beingable to create stuff with your
hands and just being able tobuild something and get that,
that instant gratification orjust that satisfaction of doing
that, and I think that nourishesyou.

(25:37):
Yeah, absolutely part of it isalso coping like just doing
something, um, to feel betterthan doing nothing.
Part of it is survival, ofhaving to collect some kind of a
paycheck.
If we just fast forward in thisstuff.
There is a point where I didknow I had.
I didn't know what it was, butI knew that I had more to offer

(25:58):
to the world than what I wasdoing.
And I don't mean that in anegotistical way or like am I,
like?
I'm shit, I fucking it's just.
There was something like when Ibecause I dropped out of college
and then I started working formy fucking stepdad again doing
steel, again the same shit, thesame people were there, like all
of it, and I felt like afailure for a bit and then I

(26:19):
started like just I'm like thisis not it.
I know I have more to offer,but I was too fucked up in my
own, in my own tracks, I was inmy way, that I couldn't figure
out what that was or how to doit, but I just knew that feeling
.
Yeah, that was it, you know.
And I put a lot of that feelinginto building my truck, beth,
when I was doing the structuralsteel stuff, because that was my

(26:42):
thing, like on the weekend, Iyou know, on friday, saturday,
sunday, that was like what I didand I just went so hard into
that, um, unknowingly what, whatwas happening?

Speaker 1 (26:52):
we actually got a comment in from mob worthy.
That said, appreciate thehonesty.
We're losing this today and, tobe honest, that's one of the
main reasons that I wanted tohave you on the show is because
I have this discussion.
Well, mila youa, you and I havetalked about this a million
times and I've talked about itwith Morgan.
Yeah, it's just like I don'twant to say that the world is
fucked up because it's not right.
It's the people in the worldthat make their own choices that

(27:14):
make it fucked up.
People make good choices,people make bad choices.
But I do think that his commentis very true.
We are losing this.
Ben is very true, we are losingthis ben.
What would you say, like, inyour opinion, if you're going to
walk up to a 16 year old kid,uh that maybe has a single
parent life, or uh is a stoneror whatever it is, and they're
losing that motivation and drivethat you had, do you tell them,

(27:37):
hey, go pick up a welder, gograb some steel, go buy a used
car, like what first?

Speaker 3 (27:42):
off if if someone's a stoner, I don't care that.
That was just my.
I don't care.
That was just my reference.
I don't care if people aresmoking weed or not.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Neither do we.
I'm just saying, if they do.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
But it's so tough because at 16, dude, I don't
think I would listen to anymotherfucker.
And it was the same thing with,like I talked to my wife, I
think, yesterday, like I didn'thave like a mentor or anything.
A lot of people have like amentor and when I look and I
didn't have a father figure, Ihad my stepdad, but he was 20
years older than my mom.
He was 65 when I was born.

(28:12):
He wasn't like physicallyavailable for much.
He was doing the best he couldand he was great.
But I've never had people thatwere in my ear Like hey Morgan,
listen up.
You know you need to fuckingblah, blah, blah.
And there actually is gum underthe desk, I can feel it.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I was going to ask you about that and you know you
and I have talked about this.
I relate to you in so many moreways because I also was grown
up single mom did her best nofather figure, angry at the
world, bro, and she thought Iwas going to jail.
What she did for me was if youwant to drive your car at 16,

(28:49):
I'm buying you one.
Now.
You have to build it.
That's going to keep youoccupied.
You're going to get a skill andmaybe you'll do something and
not go to jail.
But when you get a little older,do you think those tendencies
are so hard to shake?
And I want to touch on thatbecause instagram, facebook, all
the apps these days, I think iskilling the mentality of

(29:09):
someone that says I want to dothat but I don't want to work 10
years to get there.
Yeah, I mean, look at this dude.
He's got it like.
If you look at your page, Idon't know what you have 50
grand, 52 000 something.
I don't, it doesn't matter, butyou worked your ass off to get
you where you're at.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Are you talking about followers?
Yeah, 160.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Oh my bad.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
I apologize.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Something crazy happened.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
I don't know, yeah, but my point is, the reason we
want to do this is because, dude, you worked all the trials and
tribulations you go through toget to where you're at today.
People don't see that.
You tell the same story on thepodcast and I get it.
And this is why we want to havethis conversation, because it
is blood, sweat and tears to getsomething out of life and you

(29:55):
can't.
Going back to George'squestions, how would you
motivate somebody?
To me, I say put the phone down, open your eyes and listen to
people that have been there,because when you and I were
coming up, there was noInstagram.
You know, I had like DonniePrim and Larry Stork and and all
the old guys telling me, do itthis way.
And you said I didn't have thementor.

(30:16):
Like how would you handle thatnow?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, and just going back to that, if I had to give a
16 year old kid advice, I thinkit's just for me, my
perspective is only the one thatI know myself and how I would
be receptive to hearing input at16 years old, and it would have
to be from someone I do respect.
It would have to be fromsomeone that has something that
I want you know, like it's achoir which you admire.

(30:41):
It would have to be someonethat and really, I think, really
I think for 16 year olds, maybethat doesn't come with with
respecting or admiring values.
It probably comes frommaterialistic stuff, right?
Um, just because that's easy,you know.
Then look at this guy.
He has this, this, this and hedoes that, that, that and cool,
whatever he says goes, and Idon't think that's necessarily a
bad thing if that guy that hasthat stuff is giving the right

(31:03):
message.
I, just when I was 16, it just Idon't know if I would have been
receptive.
I had to figure shit out thehard way and that's like how I
am.
I've never fallen for peerpressure with anything.
I've never been in a.
I've peer pressured people butI've never fallen victim to that
myself, and I think thatstubbornness.
That's what's tough.

(31:24):
I don don't know.
I would do the best I could togive advice to these kids, but
unless they have somethingthat's trickling into their
blood that makes them want to dosomething or have ambition,
that's where it has to startperiod.
Yeah, I think the want needs tobe there more than the guidance,
like you just said and there iskids out there for sure that
are hungry and motivated and Iand they reach out to me and I

(31:45):
definitely talk to them.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
It's kind of crazy that you're saying that stuff
too, because, like I've asked abunch of people this question.
You'll just be sitting thereand let's just say, you ask a 15
or 16 year old kid, you're like, hey, what do you want to do?
They go, I don't know.
And like guys like us, forinstance and I'm not saying this
, like you said, in anegotistical comment but there's
never been a point in my lifethat I never knew what I wanted.
Like I already know what I wantto eat and we're not even there

(32:10):
yet, right.
Like I already know exactlywhat I want in the next step of
my life.
And it's never been an issue.
But if the kids don't areconfused by social media and
they have all of these things,but they see somebody like you,
for instance, you are that rolemodel for them, right, and you
just tell them you know what,like maybe you are lost, but,
motherfucker, if you like theshit that I'm doing, go out and

(32:31):
fucking do it.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
And you don't always have to do it the same exact way
.
But I think the core of it isyou just got to try and you just
got to do it.
I mean, that's all it is.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
To get to the end end , you have to walk there I think
you're right about that, but Ialso think too, with so many
platforms we have like,especially with how much
saturation there is, there'salso positive saturation.
It there's tons of stuff Icould have used when I was
younger on instagram or so oryoutube where I'd be like fuck,
this motherfucker is saying someshit that I can hear you.

(33:05):
You know like there's people Ilistened to that have changed my
life just in the last likecouple years where, if I would
have heard that stuff when I was16 to 25 years old, like Andy
Frisella or you know, somepeople are weird about Wes
Watson, but I don't give a fuckbecause some of that message
I've heard that guy, and whenpeople are screaming in my
earbuds motherfucker, you can'tbe a fucking bitch.
You need to fucking show thefuck up and don't stop and

(33:26):
fucking do what you need to doevery day.
Thank you, I can hear that.
It's like a little voice that Ican actually hear.
I think there's tons of stuffto see.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Do you think at 16, when you were struggling, that
would have resonated Someone inyour ear?
Because I'll tell you, itwouldn't have resonated, For me
if I was hungover one day likeafter another party.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
That would probably be like a good wake-up call.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I think that there was a guy Is Wes Watson, the guy
you sent to me and I'm likedude, he's too intense for me
Probably.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
He gets a lot of flack now but really is his old
stuff, like he did.
He did like 10 years in in thepen and then he came out with a
message and he used to sit onthis park bench dude, this was
his good stuff and he would.
Just, he would have thesemessages that were so simple and
to the point and structured andbased on routine and stacking
wins in the morning.
All that and like that stuffhit me so good.
I think that if someone, if mymom, knew someone like that and

(34:30):
that guy came into my house andgoes, hey, motherfucker, and
started strong-arming me likethat, that's what I would need.
I'd probably need that guy toput me in a headlock and put
physical violence and stressinto me to get me like scared,
straight style Exactly.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Like dude, exactly like sorry.
That's what you need.
Yeah, because it needs to beabove and beyond your mentality
we got no conquer me.
Yeah, I like the way where thesubject's going and like what
the stuff we're talking about.
I want to get a little deeperbut like there's been a bunch of
good comments that have come in, uh, some talking about like uh
, you know, like willow og hadtalked about bringing back

(35:06):
trades in high school, where yougot wood shop or auto class,
all that stuff.
Honestly, I think that'sfantastic, but the way the world
is, it's just fucked.
There's just too much.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
That's a deep conversation on the world being
fucked and education in general.
We're in a big problem.
Well, not a problem, but thisyear we decided to homeschool
logan because we've had so manyissues and you know the private
school.
We've had in private school hiswhole life and and now you know
what's going on.
I don't think it's something weshould lean into, but it has to

(35:39):
do with that too, like whatgood is is auto or woodshop if
we still have all the garbagegoing on.
Like you know, restructured.
I think there was a podcast Ilistened to where there's a
certain group of people that arecreating schools, and I think
there's even some in SoCal wherethey're like strong, moral and
value-based American-styleschools, you know, and they're

(36:02):
private schools, but they'relike these guys, like us, would
take our kids to these schools.
And I think that's the way tochange a lot of this is just
fuck all the school districtsand go private Go private, but
public.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Just bring morals back, man.
That's all it is.
We got a couple other comments.
Come in.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
One of them was saying that he was a mechanic in
the Air Force.
The comments are coming in tooquick so I can't keep up.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I see some of them.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, so if you do see some of them that mean
anything, just interrupt us.
But yeah, and like they weretalking about all that stuff and
, like you said, we don't wantto get too far into it because
it would be a whole other layerof the conversation, but some of
the stuff that you're talkingabout is very meaningful in the
way that you deal with everysingle day of your life and your

(36:50):
mindset.
Right, Because you have thisdrive to create things and it's
in your blood, it's in your soul.
Right, some kids might not,some adults might not, which is
fine, but you figure out a wayto how do I say this?
Make the right choices.
They were not always the rightchoice but you figured it out,

(37:14):
and the reason I say this isbecause I want to bring this up.
I always tell everybody I livemy life by three things
Perception, or, excuse me,perception, choices and
accountability.
If you have an open perception,then you can see things what
they really are and that's clear, and that makes it so that your
choices are easier and thatmakes it so that your
accountability goes away if youmake the right choice.

(37:36):
But if you fuck up and you'reaccountable for it, then your
choice next time is different.
Right, and that's what you'vedone Like.
That's how you've lived yourlife.
Whether you followed that samething or not doesn't matter, but
that's how you've learned to beat the point that you're at,
because you were accountable forthe stuff that was fucked up,
and now you're doing a muchbetter job owning it and being a
different person.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
There's yeah, there's two there's two aspects to that
.
The common thing is is is isyou know, learning the hard way
and lessons.
You know there's mistakes andthere's lessons.
That's the classic thing for meis you know a mistake is
something you do twice, um, andthen a lesson is something it's
simply just a mistake that youdo once and you learn from, and

(38:18):
I think that's applied toeverything like that.
That's that's the simplest wayto look at it.
Right, it's like if you, if you,you fuck up once I allot myself
, I'll fuck up in everything.
Just in general, because Ithat's how I learn I like crash
into something and then I figureit out and then I move around.
When you're starting to do thatrepetitively, you know, and

(38:38):
that's with devices and stuff,that's where it becomes a
detriment, you know, and you getsucked into that stuff.
So I think it's okay to learnthe hard way, and I've
definitely.
That's what I've done my wholelife.
I don't know if I saw thatclearly two decades ago or
something, but now it's clearand I just accept it.
It's the same with buildingstuff.

(38:59):
I fuck up at least onceeverything.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Well, a good fabricator never fucks up, he
just covers it well.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
They do that with design too right, it's make it
look proper.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Make it look like it was supposed to be there.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Hey, so let's get on a more positive note.
I really like the design aspectthat you include in everything
that you do, right?
I had come up to Evan Weller'sshop the other day to work on
the Honda Ridgeline.
You weren't there.
I tried to say hi, I hardlyworked.
One of your guys said he'sdesigning today.

(39:34):
I said wow, that's interesting.
Then I thought, as I waswalking away, I go, that's
fucking rad.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
He separated himself so he was focused on the thing
that he was doing can I justpoint out too uh, it's rad
because I'm looking at all thearms you have behind you.
You have such a talent to takefrom mine to put to paper.
It's, it's, it's an ability.

(40:02):
I consider myself a prettydecent fabricator.
I consider myself building somepretty cool trucks, but I've
never been able to take in mymind and sketch it out on a
piece of paper exactly how Ienvision it to be when it's done
.
It's such a talent, dude, and Ihave it and I'll scribble

(40:22):
something down, and then I'mjust like okay, I got to go.
It's such a talent, dude, soprops to you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Is it hard to harness that?
Like, is it hard to do thatBecause most people can't, I
can't.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I think my greatest gift is like sketching and
designing.
I don't think it's buildingstuff or crafting stuff with my
hands.
I think the harness part is solike.
Let's cover two things.
First, mila, you said sketchingand drawing.
I call it visual communicationand it's just a great tool

(40:55):
because it helps me get througha process.
If I was just to, you know,tell a guy or express something
of how I especially with thesearms, the machine parts I don't
have the capability to go intothe computer and digitally
engineer that stuff, so I haveto use this as a form of
communication to get across what, instead of being like I want
this here, I want tension hereand roll over here.
If I'm just doing this, youguys are going to understand two
different things than I am.
So visual communication is thekey because I can.

(41:19):
I can put something to paperthat all of our eyes can
understand, even if we don'tspeak the same language.
Yeah, and on top of that, theclient gets to see what they you
know they're invested in thisstuff.
This shit is expensive, itcosts a lot of money.
So instead of just winging itwhere they think they have an
understanding, boom, they canlook at it like same with the
arms, like ryan's.
Jennings has gone through and Igive him examples.

(41:41):
I go hey, hey, here's, you know, sheet A, b, c, d, e.
You know, let me know what youlike.
And he's like Ooh, I reallylike A3 and we can pick from
that and then I can startmolding into that.
So it's an absolute blessing todo and it's I think I'm
probably the only person thatoffers some kind of a service
like that but it's also forefficiency with our builds.
You know, someone wants tospend 60 grand on a dash.

(42:02):
Think about that.
They want that.
They want to know exactly whatthat looks like.
I want to be able to build it.
I want to be able to build it,exactly what they're going to be
happy seeing.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
And on top of that, I have a blueprint now now I'm
not just going to say that, Iwas just going to say that that
last dash you built I forgetwhat car was for it like matched
your drawing almost perfect.
I've never been able to do that.
I kind of sketch it out and I'mlike this goes here and nothing
like what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
I think it's cool, though, too.
Then you know, what's funnyabout that too is, like I've
noticed, uh, we started acompany about like doing
streaming for off-road cars andstuff like that, and I've had to
recreate all the circuitry andcircuit boards and all that
stuff that goes into thesethings, like we started out with
with buying consumer products,and then I don't know how to
fucking do that like I never,but I figured it out right and

(42:51):
all of a sudden, like I'mdrawing these diagrams and
sending them over to china andthey're making these circuit
boards and doing all this crazystuff.
And it's pretty cool, becausethen all of a sudden, like to me
I don't know if you get thesame feeling.
It's like it feeling.
It's like you see the processand you're like no fucking way,
that's how it was in my head,that's how it turned out on
paper and that's how it turnedout in real life, and it's like

(43:13):
it brings a smile to your face.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Totally.
And what you were saying aboutbeing able to separate design
time versus fabrication time.
Sometimes that's just anecessity.
You see the shop or the studio.
I don't have an office, so theoffice is at home.
It does get extremely difficultto delegate time when I get
home because you know I don'tshow this, but usually every

(43:38):
time I get in, you know, I stepin the door and the kids are
like dad, dad, dad, and theyboom, they run, and I have two
kids in my hands within 15seconds and that's that's it.
You know it's usually where Iend up, so sometimes I need to
leave during the day to get someof that done, and my office is
at my house, you know.
So it's not necessarily bydesign.

(43:59):
If you would have been wherewe're at a different facility
and I had an office, I probablywould have been in there doing
that.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Yeah, I just, I just think it's cool.
Like when I walked away fromthere I was like you know what
that is so rad.
Like I appreciate the fact thathe's giving himself time to
make sure that he's doing thethings that are going to benefit
everybody that's already in theshop.
Like it's just sick dude.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Well, that's the thing.
It's that Just sick dude.
Well, that's the thing.
And the greatest part is, nomatter how stressed I get with
all this stuff, I'm still sograteful because if I'm like, oh
my God, I'm going to have tofucking stay up all night
tonight and design these billetuprights for the Dakar, and I'm
able to step out and go, dude,awesome.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Cool, awesome, right, yeah, what are we tripping?
I mean, we have no bad days atour jobs, I'm not going to lie.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
And so that a lot of that just comes from necessity,
because, yeah, it is, it'ssomething where I'm I am working
with my hands full time butthen I am juggling, you know,
two employees, two offsiteemployees, and then we're we've
got a pretty good system with,like, how we order parts and
setting up projects.
You know, every projectrequires other people doing

(45:04):
other stuff from other companiesand other states, and it's just
a thing.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
So sometimes I have to concentrate that work.
It kind of gets like I don'tknow, irritating, like I've been
in a bunch of differentmeetings with like Amazon and
like all these massive companies, right, and you see the
structure of how they work andyou're like, motherfucker, just
get it done now.
Like can we just do it?
Like just fucking no, we got todo this paperwork, we gotta do

(45:31):
all this shit, so the stuff thatwe're talking about.
We could go on for days, but Ilove the fact that you can allot
the time to be able to do thethings that make everybody's
lives better.
Hey, one of the things that Iwanted to to ask at the
beginning of the show I forgot,and you talked about the kids
and you talked about yourcreative workflows and stuff.
Can you kind of pinpoint two ofthe most important things that

(45:54):
you have in your life right now?
I'm I just kids and taylorperiod so that's, that's where I
was going and that's theperfect answer.
Yeah, because you have.
You have motivation from that,you know, and I think that
there's a lot of life thatpeople have yet to live, whether

(46:16):
they're young or older, becausethey don't understand that
capability and that capabilityof love.
It doesn't matter if it's yourfamily, you could fucking hate
your family, but you lovesomething else, right?
You love your dog, you love,you know, your girlfriend,
whatever it is.
If you can utilize those things, I'm gonna help yourself.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
I'm gonna answer the gym thing at some point.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
We'll keep going okay , if you can have that happiness
in your soul, yeah.
Then you get to the point whereyou can do stuff like morgan
does and have your design timeand have your fabrication time I
agree and I disagree, because Ican operate in some nasty spots
.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Um, you know, I can feel hopeless.
I can feel like there'severything is dark, everything
is crumbling around me and Ihave created something in my
brain where I can go to work andI can do the same amount of
work, if not work harder, reallybut I don't know if that's a
sustainable thing.
Now I think you can.
You know, they call that darkenergy or negative energy, and

(47:13):
some days are like that, even ifI have this beautiful woman
that loves me and supports meand these kids, some days my own
brain is dark like that andinsecure and negative thoughts
and everything's shitty.
And I'm still the greatestthing, like people.
When I've been in hard spots, atleast over the last three years
, people are like Morgan, whatyou're doing, just don't fucking

(47:34):
stop.
You know, don't fucking stop.
And I've applied that and Ithink there's so much power you
gain from every time you do that.
You know.
Yes, definitely, having asupport system is huge.
Having a woman that supportsyou is huge.
Having a wife that supports you, kids that support you, all of
that stuff is absolutely a hugeblessing.

(47:55):
I think you can operate theother way, but I don't think you
can do it sustainably.
You know, I don't think it's aseffective.
Yeah, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
It's not in this industry, in our industry, yeah,
in our industry, you have tohave a very strong support
system to succeed.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
It's there's no, in my opinion yeah, if I didn't
have the support system I had,nope, I'd probably be down the
road that you were at at 20years old and I think that you,
you know you can see it a lotwhen and I'm not discounting
anybody's like marriage or howit works, but sometimes the
women need, they require a lotmore of time with you or they

(48:31):
require you to to split some ofthe duties with the kids, you
know, and take care of thingslike that.
And that's the greatestblessing I've been with Taylor
since I was 16.
Things like that, and that'sthe greatest blessing I've been
with Taylor since I was 16.
We've been through everythingshe's.
You know we've had some on andoffs, but no matter what, I mean

(48:52):
just by our kids.
We're supposed to be together,you know.
And now it's this thing whereit's.
It's so insanely supportive.
I don't even know what it wouldbe like without that and I
think what it comes down to isjust like.
That's why I summed it up tolove, and I don't mean to get
mushy like that, but that'sthat's what I look at, cause I'm
like okay, and I've I'vethought about this, especially
over, like last month, but I'mlike okay, what like?

(49:12):
What is it?
What was my thing?
What made me like use or whatmade me drink or what made me
need validation or acceptance,and when I was younger and I'm
like my mom didn't like shefilled so much of the dad part
too that she loved me likeunconditionally but
oversaturated, insane amounts oflove, and so I grew up since I

(49:37):
was born getting that love andso I expect that I, I expect
that I need that around, and ifI can't get it here, then I got
to go find out how to get itover here, you know, because
it's like a void in my own selfthat I don't have or I haven't
learned how to fill internally.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yeah, Does that?

Speaker 3 (49:53):
make sense.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Oh, a hundred percent .
It makes, yeah, well, even yeah,it's crazy that you say that
too because, well, you've beenthrough a lot of stuff in your
life, right, and just like allof us have, and those times when
you feel that even if theperson's not around it gives you
the motivation to be able topush through it.
And I felt that on my dying bed,right, like, and I know that
that those things drive you.

(50:16):
It's actually getting me tearedup just thinking about it,
because you're right in theargument point that you made to
me and said the darkness fuelsyou too, because there was some
points that I wanted to throwmyself off a cliff, right, oh
yeah, but I was like you knowwhat?
No, fuck that.
Like, these people don'tdeserve to see me leave.
I'm going to win at this.

(50:36):
Like, there's no way thatyou're not going to see me be a
better person tomorrow, and thenthe next day and the next day,
and it keeps rolling.
Dude, I appreciate that you'resharing so much because it
really really gets me liketomorrow I'm gonna do a fucking
better job than I did today whatare?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
you gonna say uh, dude, I was just gonna touch on
the fact that you know onceagain I'm kind of relating to
you is our youth has now beendefined by what we are doing now
, and what you and Taylor haveis what now Logan and Enzo are
looking at and that you didn'thave, or I didn't have, when I

(51:14):
was a kid.
So now they have something tomodel themselves from your hard
work, her good parenting and youtogether, and not fighting,
that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I didn't say not fighting.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Well, you're still together.
Yeah, yeah, no, but yes, wehave our struggles and we do get
in fights.
We all do.
We're married and it's likethat.
But I think the bottom line iswe know our purpose is to be
with each other, you know, andthat's the end game, and it's
the that's the end game, andit's the same with the kids.
I need to see these kids withparents that are loving and

(51:45):
raising these kids.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
I need to see that in a push forward, positive
environment.
I'm assuming you're I mean, I'mnot assuming anything, but I'm
assuming from the videos that Isee with your boys you're
interactive with them.
Man, that's not a dad's home,he's going to go in the garage
and I'm not going to see him,kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
You know what I mean.
No, I'm constantly with them oractive when I'm here, it's just
I get tired.
The same way other people gettired sometimes, you know, and
there's always those struggleslike where they want to go, go,
go, and sometimes it's hard.
I do the best I can.
I think being physicallyhealthy is key for some of that.
Let's touch on the gym.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I just because someone asked about the gym
thing and that that wassomething I just.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
There's so much to exercising and mental health
associated with the physicalhealth.
I can't stress it enough.
It's not that I'm just like ameathead that needs to go to the
gym.
There's a mental key there.
Once you unlock that.
You cannot not have that.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Seriously.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
It's been so good for me and it clears my mind.
I don't know who that was, butyou asked how do I make time for
that?
I never used to be a morningperson ever.
I was always fuck the morning.
The only time to be a morningperson ever, I was always the
morning.
The only time I was a morningperson is if you're going to the
desert.
Then I'm like what is it?
3, 30, let's go.
Yeah, let's go.
Yeah, give me a monster.

(53:09):
So I, uh, I started.
You know my buddy, rich withcolor tech.
He's the one who, like he,designed our logos and stuff.
And, um, you know, I asked him.
I saw him starting to go to thegym.
He was checking in.
It was like four o'clock, 4, 30,and I'm like dude, what are you
?
How are you doing this?
Like what, what is all this?
And he's like you know, weswatson, I was like no, and he,
he fired an episode off to me,like I did to you, mila, and it

(53:32):
was like early in the morningand I and I'd never seen this
guy and this guy's like callingme a bitch on, like stuff, and
you know, get your shit, andblah, blah.
And I I started to realize thisand then he's like dude, once
you just do it, you just startdoing it.
And I I did start doing it, butI it was also because I didn't
want to compromise the time inthe evening when I have a family
and kids here.
If I want to invest in myselfjust for myself, even though it

(53:56):
renders a better person, Ishouldn't be compromising the
time that my family's expectingto be with me.
And so getting up early that'sand I've done this before but
the, the commitment and the,when you get mentally, when you
tell yourself the night beforehey, I'm going to wake up at
three, 30 and you do it likeyou're already on a, on a good
one.
And then boom, you get to thegym and you exercise and you put

(54:19):
yourself through a physicalstress and endurance before you
even start your work day.
You feel like you have this winand you're clear and dude.
People are still sleeping bythen, so I'm already done
exercising hours before my kidsare even up, you know.
And then, boom, I get to theshop and the greatest part is
with like the exercising in themorning is I can sort all of

(54:41):
like I wake up with just shit ofjust thoughts and stuff.
Like I can't like everything isflying, like where I have to
grab one, figure out, well,maybe grab that, grab that, and
going to the gym it doessomething where it like it
mellows everything to the pointwhere I can just pick one thing
and I can handle that.

(55:02):
And I can pick one thing, I canhandle that.
And then anything that I needto deal with, whether that's
with my guys, whether that'sproblem solving, whether I've
made some kind of mistake wehave to find a solution for or
one of my guys says or I haveclients that I need to talk to,
or someone's upset I don't haveall that pent-up bullshit that
you would normally wake up with.
That would come out sideways onother people.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
It's yeah, and you can.
You can flush it out, righteverything is so manageable, not
a trophy truck ass how manyhours you get of sleep five to
six five.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
It's not enough, brother five to six.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Well, like on the weekends, I'll sleep in, you
know.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
I slept in, but five to six I run pretty good.
Sometimes I'll grab a creeperand I'll take a nap like a
25-minute nap at lunch Dudesurprisingly good.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Surprisingly good A creeper nap, yeah, a creeper nap
yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Surprisingly good.
Should you make that a thing, acreeper nap?

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Dude 20 minutes during the day.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Re there, dude, 20 minutes during the day, recharge
you, man, uh, uh.
What's the thing that like?
Well, actually I'll ask this ina different way, so we see all
the arm drawings that you havebehind you.
Do you ever get creative blockor redder's block?
You know what I mean.
Like is there times when you'rejust like dude, you know what I
can't.
It's not coming out like.
I gotta go work out, I gotta dothis like, and how do you
overcome those?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
um, I I don't know, I don't get creator's not coming
out Like, I got to go work out,I got to do this Like, and how
do you overcome those?
I don't, no, I don't getcreator's block.
I think that this stuff, a lotof this stuff.
Can you hear the hamsterdrinking right now?
No, no, okay, cool, there'slike a hamster with like the
ball bearing thing.
Oh, is he going hard right now?

(56:49):
Yeah, he's like holding it, the.
Uh, I.
I think that a lot of thisstuff is so like our projects
are so built from, like formfulas function, that you can really
staple down what needs tohappen with every particular
shape and part, and then you canhone design into that.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And it takes so long to get through these steps that
you have a chunks of time, youknow, to figure out design and
creativity when you designedbecause I always think of, um,
how I design things do youdesign it like basic and then
flare it, or do you just startwith the flare and then whittle
it down to geometrically correctand stuff like that, uh, it

(57:20):
just like it's like, say,triangulation, or like, uh,
ibeam pockets and stuff likethis.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
It would all depend on the, the priority of the
functionality first.
So if it's something that ishas reservations for strength
and integrity, then I'd hone itto that um and then trim it as
we can and twist it as we can.
If it's some big shit, likeremember the exotic pre-runner,
there was like crazy stuff inthe back of that thing, like big

(57:46):
substructures and those Iplanned out and.
And if it's, if it's really bigstuff, I sketch it first, uh,
and I get a bearing and and alot of times the sketching.
There's so many of those on thewall because I have to start
figuring out visually andphysically what the flow and the
language wants With that.

(58:08):
It's the same thing with someof these projects.
I will sketch some of the bigstuff out and usually I've kind
of preached about it, like someof it is living in the
discomfort of it because it'snot done yet and until it comes
together it's like some weirdshit.
Yeah, I agree, but I don'treally get caught up on any
writer's block.
I think my only thing is likeusing you referenced, using the

(58:30):
gym to kind of free up somespace, um, or some mental real
estate, and that's.
But my just my brain needs that.
Sometimes it it's always basedon situational stuff with
interactions, communication,projects, clients, things like
that, business stuff, finances,things like that.

(58:51):
That really stress me out,where I get to a point where I'm
like, oh my God, what are wegoing to do?
Fucking blah, blah.
This feels like it's over.
I still go to those places,it's just I know that they'll
pass, so it's, how do I get intoa good spot where I can
function when those things arecoming?
Because I don't think thosetimes and that thought process
ever goes away.
It's just how you manage it.

(59:11):
So yeah sometimes I shoot intothe gym at lunch or something,
just because I know I can likejust do some kind of a little
shock to my brain to get backinto a better space, a higher
frequency, if you will.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah, and then it gets you back on track.
Mia's Bug just asked if you'regoing to use any more composites
in any of your builds or any ofyour products.

Speaker 3 (59:33):
Absolutely.
You know, for us it's just.
I'm like still I hate sayinglike old school, but I don't
have the capabilities myself fora lot of like the digital
engineering.
So, like the Range Rover, thecar prototype, and the big Range
Rover that we're going to dofor Jennings, that's all going
to be carbon body panels.
I'd love to incorporate more.

(59:54):
It's just I think that timedelegation is going to have to
start going into me learning howto use like alias yeah, or
solar or something, because it'sjust, if I had that, that tool
in my toolbox, I would use it.
There's no reason I wouldn't.
It's just I'm so familiar andit's very easy to get stuck just
doing the same thing, doing itby hand, cutting the stuff on
the bandsaw, this and that,because you're like, you're in

(01:00:16):
the everyday hustle of doingthat stuff that you can't find
the time to learn and gain newtools and knowledge.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I'd love to incorporate more carbon.
So I like that.
The answer that he gave too isI've actually been having a
problem with a few of myemployees not wanting to do
stuff that's outside of theirtoolbox, like they're not.
Why can't we just do it thisway?
I'm like no motherfucker do itdifferent, and they won't listen
to me because they don't wantto get outside.
I love that you answered that.
Yeah, I absolutely would If Icould expand my toolbox you'll

(01:00:45):
never grow unless you try.
Yeah, it's kind of hard though,dude, it's really hard.
So whenever you did do those,or when you do those designs,
have you ever gone through andbeen like, all right, this
design looks sick, and then youput, like, you know, draw it out
?
And then you're like, I don'tknow, put it all together making
the mold.
Uh, you know doing all yoursheet metal work, and then

(01:01:07):
you're like, oh shit, I gottaredo this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
I can usually make alterations like you're.
Like you're altering a suit, youknow if I need to, if it's mid
taylor yeah, a little taylor,but uh no, I usually get a
pretty good bearing on it.
The thing that happens for me,and I'm sure a lot of people
that build stuff, is you seestuff like months down the road
and you're like fuck dude, Ishouldn't have fucking done it
like that.

(01:01:29):
You know like you get a littlemore frustrated with your older
stuff than wanting to do it.
You know differently becauseyou just constantly are
progressing.
Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Well, what about the days that you're not progressing
?
Like, what's the like?
What if it's just one of thosedays that you were just talking
about?
That's just throwing all thefuck at you and you're just like
, dude, tomorrow's going to bebetter.
What do I do today?
Like, how do you deal with thatstuff?
Because a lot of times thathappens to people that are in
the structural engineering jobsor in the you know welding shop
just laying down beads all day,like they don't like it and they

(01:02:03):
want you know, want to get to apoint where they can be more
creative it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
For me it's usually when I have to, and it's an adhd
thing.
It's when I have to repeat someshit or I know I gotta get.
I did this side, now I have todo this one and every bone in my
body doesn't want to do thatand it just I.
It's a bummer because at thispoint I'm like I don't think
that goes away.
I think that's just part oflike the.
The tool that you get is how doyou deal with that and how do

(01:02:31):
you accept it?
And the gains that you get arethose not long term, but they're
delayed gratification.
Right.
A lot of people need that, havehad it.
You know history with eithersubstance or adhd.
It's an instant gratificationthing.
You want to get it now, see itnow, have it in your hand.
Look, I did this now.
Oh, I got this right, and sojust, it's just like a um, not a

(01:02:54):
tool, but it's.
It's something where you justhave to get in the routine of
being disciplined to do thatstuff and it's a constant battle
but it never goes away.
It's always everything we buildusually has.
You're building, you know areverse side of it, a left or a
right.
You know um, something thatneeds to mirror it and and
sometimes I counter that by justdoing both at the same time and

(01:03:16):
keeping them up.
I don't know if that answersthe dark days that the bottom
line is just don't stop witheverything.
That's the whole thing.
You just don't stop, no matterwhat yeah, I agree, and you can.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
You can apply that everywhere yep, and you can
teach yourself little thingsright like you drop an ice cube
on the floor, don't let it melt,fucking get pick it up and
throw it away.
Right like it.
Like those little tiny things,build the fundamentals that will
make it so that on those baddays you just push through and
it's much easier.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
You know, what I noticed too is when I don't want
to do something, I'm like ifyou do it and you don't think
about anything else, you'll bedone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Yeah, it's just done.
You just get done with it andthen you're not worried about it
.
You're like hell.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
I just knocked through it and I didn't even
want to.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Yeah, that's cool man .

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
What's been some of the biggest things that you've
had to struggle with, likeowning your own business, sleep.
I can tell you that personally.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
No, I'm good on that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Oh, not me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
I think it's just been finance stuff.
It's, you know, robbing Peterto pay Paul is a classic thing
that comes up.
It's managing money.
All these, you know I I saythis generalized but all these
fabricators that are reallytalented, it all.
It seems like all the guys thatare really talented always end
up quitting their job andworking for themselves and
starting their own business andand what you know.

(01:04:36):
You got to think.
People are going to college andthey are spending years learning
how to run business, how totake business.
They're taking business courses, they're getting degrees in
business and I think that's themost difficult thing of being
successful at this stuff isreally learning business.
You know, establishing workingcapital.
I haven't had zero help fromanybody whatsoever.

(01:04:59):
I don't have a partner, I don'thave investors, I don't have
people that like I've hadnothing, and so just going from
there.
I'm grateful for that, butthat's been.
The issue is how do you managethat financially?
And it's the same thing.
Like you get into a bond, youkeep taking a bunch of projects
in and then these projects don'tget finished, that are back
here because you used all moneyfor that and like it just.

(01:05:21):
It can be a very vicious cyclethat can escalate quickly, yeah,
and then you have to bust yourass to get these things done.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Dude 100%.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
I think you know, and I hate to bring it back to this
, but I think really, sobrietyand being clean has been the
greatest gift for business in mywhole life, because I'm able to
look at these things and I'mable to see patterns and I'm
able to see the lessons, insteadof just constantly resetting
myself or something you know anddrowning in my own guilt and

(01:05:53):
shame, where I can't even focuson the shit that's supposed to
be thriving.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
That's what I was saying about perception, choices
and accountability.
Dude, Well, I think hold on.
Just just let me ask thisquestion real quick.
Unless it was on the subject,it was on the subject.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Okay, go ahead.
I was just gonna say yourphysical, your physical being so
ties into your mental being.
If you're not physically fitlike you are, uh, it's just uh
well, you're in the jujitsustuff too and I'll tell you,
it's opened my whole world up.
I wish I did it 20 years ago,because I'd be in a better spot
it's so crazy how it affectsyour mental being.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Well it's a whole outlet, like I'm not a gym rat
or anything, but like I lovebeing out riding my bike.
Sure, right?

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
uh same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
So this, uh, this comment came in top raymond, top
ramen.
Uh, what do you think about?
Uh, the more organic AIgenerative design in structures
and cars.
Will AI take over that aspect?
I think AI.
I want to let you finish this,but I think AI has a lot of good
stuff and I think it's got alot of shitty stuff.
A hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
I think AI fucks on a lot of stuff.
I've used ChatGPT4 a I'm asucker for that app because is
it frozen?
Are you good?
No, you're good, okay I.
I use chat gpt4 for like allthe bullshit dude.
You know like taylor's likelooking at stuff for the horse's
hooves and I'm like have youasked chat gpt and I'll just
fire off.
You know like it's like thebest search engine because it's

(01:07:18):
not fully augmented by politicsand power.
Yet.
I've seen a lot of those cars.
There's one car company andwhoever they can nail it for us
that has like this hyper carthat's got you know that
generative design.
Where it's like a deep swamproot system that's grasping all
the calipers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
You know what I'm talking about.
I think it's CZ here You'reright.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Yep, that's gorgeous dude.
I don't think there's anythingwrong with that.
I've asked chat GPT to renderme some images of cars and I'm
like, good, motherfucker, that'sdog shit.
It puts together some cartoonbullshit.
Now, like Joanna that we'rebuilding a car for, she has this

(01:08:02):
page.
I forget what it is, but shedoes concept AI, like mixes,
right, and they're good.
They're really good.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I think there will always be builders and coach
builders, but I think AI is anextremely useful tool.
See, I'm of the oppositeperspective because I'm of the
old school where I think if wejust leave everything that I got
it up but I can't find thecaliber, if we leave everything
to computers, you and me, it's alost art bro, and we need to
kind of separate ourselves fromthat and keep the art, like like
all the guys that used to buildairplanes and the women that

(01:08:38):
would build airplanes in thewars, like to shape the metal,
to build a buck and to do allthat.
It's such talent and it's lostand I just wish a lot of times
we could bring that back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I don't disagree, but I also feel like, as a business
owner like you, should use thetools that are given to you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Then you gotta buy a 3d printer.
Does it print titanium?

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
oh damn it so we already got a carbon.
Well, maybe they might havethat dude the pill.
They got it, so they they do itis audi actually prints brake
calipers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
I can only imagine how much that costs.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
We have a 3d printer we use at work in fact I built
some pretty cool stuff for thisnew truck, but we use 3d
printers all the time titanium.
Um, I think pagani makes amerge collector for their cars
out of titanium with a 3dprinter yeah, just imagine,
that's not ai design.
That's just.
Oh, that's just a 3d printer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Yeah, it's just 3d printer I think that there's
there's room for it, but I, nomatter what, I don't think ai
can ever represent human.
Yeah, that's the, that's thestuff.
That's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah it's, it's just 3d printed parts, but uh, I
can't find that caliper.
But that caliber is prettyintense.
It's a whole upright caliperit's, it's like the whole module
set up that goes at the end ofours.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Uh, I saw someone asked about the block where we
should talk about that.
Yeah, just on the subject of AI, I really think you can't
represent what humans can createlike you can.
I agree, and it's the samething.
Even if someone took, say, forinstance, the Dakar prototype
and they generated their versionof that, it would not feel the

(01:10:14):
same to your eyes and your soulwhen you look at it straight up.
There's something there, at itstraight up.
There's something there that isthere's a human connection to
guys that are building cars,that and especially like coach
building and forming and shapingthat.
Just, I don't think you can getthat.
And you know, like, if you, youknow like ring brothers and

(01:10:34):
roadster shop, you you couldlike see my last year, right,
there was two cars, there wastwo cars that would fluctuate
through there.
There would be a ring brotherscar and a road brothers, yep and
a roadster shop and they wouldhave they're.
They're amazing, but they're acouple clicks below a production
car where they feel sterile andI don't, are you guys good?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
yeah, we're good.
Yeah, I'm trying to see how toflip this around.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Go ahead, keep going so they just feel sterile, and
what I mean by that is there.
There's so much production intothose things that they lose
that that draw towards your soul.
That's a something that wasbuilt by a human with human
hands and I think singer nailsit, singer porsches they have.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
they keep the soul of handmade in opinion, do they?
Use those special tools like AIand stuff or no, I don't think
they do.
I mean, it's the super high-endbut it's not flashy.
It's like super high-end if adude made it by hand.

Speaker 1 (01:11:32):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy to think about that.
It must blow your guys' mindsto think about where it's going
to be in 10 years.
You know what I'd love to have.
I'd love to have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I'd love to have that sheet metal, that CNC sheet
metal tool.
Have you seen that?
It's a metal shaper, it's apower hammer and it workholds.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Oh, I did see that.
Yes, I did see that.
I saw it make a.
I think it was a hood scoop ora bowl or something.

Speaker 3 (01:11:57):
Yeah, yeah yeah, I did see that.
That would be really like.
I love that because you canstill design If a human's
designing that and then they'reputting it into a program cool.
It's just going to help theefficiency and if it's something
where it's going to make thingsmore readily available, I think
about billet.
Like think about how many acouple decades ago dude billet
was like whoa fuck.

(01:12:18):
It's almost lost its intriguewith some stuff because it's so
the manufacturing realm is sosaturated with it that it's not
as much of a rare thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Well, now we stepped into your design where you take
a billet upper arm and you'relike I have the triangulation,
I'm just going to change theshape.
It's not a block anymore andit's not just square face here,
put my logo a a couple ibeamnotches and we're good.
It's like I'm gonna make shapeout of this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
that's where it's going with the billet at least.
Yeah, well, that's why I liketalking about this, because,
like morgan, is using hiscreative uh, brain to be able,
and heart to be able to makethese things different well, the
reason I like morgan too ismorgan uses his hands and, and,
and I was always taught becauseI was a little baby a little
bitch about it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
When I was younger, I think it was, my stepdad said
listen, man, if you can do itthe hard way, you can do it the
easy way dude for real andbecause the easy way is easy and
he does everything with hishands.
There's no and it looks justfluid and it's such a lost art
man, like you said.
The coach builders I follow somany coach builders on Instagram

(01:13:24):
because those guys are justfluid and that's what.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I love that stuff.
I can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
I can't either, man.
It's a whole other level.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I love sheet metal.
I love doing what you do.
I don't get to post it enough.
As much Dave doesn't like whenI post what I do at work, but as
much, uh, dave doesn't likewhen I post what I do at work.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
um, but dude it's so much fun, so much fun creating
stuff out of sheet metal.
Well, there's a for me.
I don't.
I've chosen a path and I'm veryaware of it where you know
money for sure.
Money is freedom tickets uh, Iagree on that.
I think money can buy happinessjust because it can allot you
more freedom to do what youdesire to do.
But I have to have I have acertain limit here of I have to

(01:14:04):
be doing something that gives mea quality of life every day
Period, and if I don't do that,I can't present myself as a
person like an optimal exampleto my kids, to my wife.
I have to be this personcreating something because that
is part of who I am and what Ineed to be doing there.
Something because that is partof who I am and what I need to
be doing.
There's people that canabsolutely go work a nine to

(01:14:25):
five or they can go dostructural and they can not give
a fuck and they can watch thefucking football game and all
that, and that is a blessing.
That's a blessing.
I, just for myself, I have tobe doing stuff where I'm
creating because I've I've foundthis higher frequency and sense
of purpose that I know I'm abetter person from doing it yeah
, absolutely.
It gives you self-fulfillmenttoo right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Yeah, just run with it, man.
Yeah, I couldn't agree morewith that.
One of the other questions thatI was going to ask you was more
along the lines of the businessstuff.
Right, yeah, did you think thatwhen you first started doing
this stuff, that you would havethe I don't know?
I don't want to call itcreative freedom, because owning

(01:15:09):
a business is not full creativefreedom, but the ability to do
this, because that's kind ofscary, right, going from what
you were talking about at thebeginning of the show like a
structural engineering job, andthen having all of these, you
know, making it up the ladderand then deciding, well, now I'm
gonna go out and do my ownthing like that's, that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
You're kind of at the mercy of your customers.
I mean, it's like.
It's like I can prove to you Ihave the talent, I have my
drawings.
But you have to find someonethat's going to get off their
wallet.
Have faith that you're going togive them what they want that's
like.
To me, the biggest hurdle isfinding someone that's willing
to pay you for that stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Well, that's what I'm saying.
That's scary Also sales andmarketing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
You know, yeah, yeah, I didn't like, I didn't
consciously choose to do thisand jump off on my own.
I mean, I guess, when I look atit now, for sure, I made a
choice to not go work forsomeone else again.
All of these struggles, nomatter what they are, I would
never trade to go work forsomeone else again, period.

(01:16:08):
I don't care what they are, Idon't care if I'm don't want to
get out of bed in the morningbecause I feel like my whole
world is going to end and Idon't know how to fucking solve
it.
And I, you know, I'm good onthat, because the the liberties
of running my own business andyou know the not freedom,
because it's not like you gettime off or any shit like that,

(01:16:28):
but it's just, it's more or lesshow I can lead a team and how I
can.
The capabilities of running myown business versus being stuck
under someone else, I think iswhere it's at my own business
versus being stuck under someoneelse, I think, is where it's at
.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I don't have limits you're getting in a lot of ways.
Running your own business isdouble the work than just going
to nine to five yeah, but thehaving no limits, I think, is
the best thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Well, I guess the limits are set by yourself,
right?
Yeah yeah, it's funny becauseyou hear the same shit all the
time, like, um, I have twocompanies, but I have to.
I work roughly 16 to 18 hours aday, every day.
So my, my work here is, uh, youknow, twice the amount of days
that everybody else is.
And I work on saturdays andsundays too, right, but when I

(01:17:14):
wake up in the morning, I don'thate going to work I don't want
to go to work.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
I've never had a day like that.
I've only had days like thatwhere I've mentally fucked
myself and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
But it has nothing to do with the work I'm gonna turn
the light on really quick yeah,well they say I mean, if you
pick a job you love, yeah, younever work a day in your life.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Well, that's what they say I agree with the the
first part of it.
If you pick a job, but youfucking work your ass off right
and but I but I do, uh, I doagree with Morgan and saying
like you have that enjoyment outof it, right, and you can, I
don't know, there's just peopleand I think all three of us are
the same.
But like, when you canunderstand that you're working
for something that's appeasingto you, then it's a lot better.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Yeah, there's also the window to um.
You know cause?
I, my, my wife is probably.
I consult with her on all ofthis stuff.
You know my struggles.
I see a therapist every weektoo.
But you know my wife knows theins and outs and she knows every
single client and detail, myemployees and it.
You know, the trade-off too islike these times where I've

(01:18:17):
never missed a game for my kids,I've never missed practice.
I mean, sometimes I'll make acollective choice that I can't
go or I'm not going to go, butI'm never at the liberty of
having to get an approval fromsomeone of how the fuck I want
to spend time seeing my ownfamily, dude exactly.
I don't discredit that and it'snot like me looking down on

(01:18:38):
someone in that position.
I'm just saying, like, likethat kind of stuff, dude, throw
me to the wolves on everythingelse, because I get those
opportunities where I'm never,ever going to miss.
Hey, we need you.
Your son's going to do this,he's there having a party here.
They're doing this.
They're like, and I can bethere and I can show the fuck up
and I never need someone togive me approval on the time

(01:18:59):
that I need to spend with myfamily and my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Yeah, it's pretty crazy man, it's a big deal.
Yeah, they.
You had some other questions,didn't you Mila?

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I did.
Let's keep talking.
I saw a good question here toothere's a question.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I'm seeing what encouraging words.
Can I go back on that thing?

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
What encouraging words would give you, would you
give someone starting their ownbusiness?
And I think you guys couldprobably help with that too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
You know, uh, work a lot, don't expect much.
And this is what I learned frombusiness and I and I and I and
I apply this to my life now.
Um, no matter what you do, nomatter what you do, no matter
what you say, no matter what youcharge, no matter what you
deliver, no matter what youdon't deliver, how somebody
walks away from you feeling isgoing to determine if they're

(01:19:47):
going to come back and give youmoney or they're not going to
come back.
If you make someone feel good,no matter what it is with the
product, with the service, withjust a conversation that's the
best form of bringing inbusiness is how people feel
about you yeah, well, or howthey feel about themselves too,
yeah because I think that goahead, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
No, you're good please.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I interrupted you dude what hit it?
Go dude, uh.
But I I agree with what milasaid too, but I think there's
two pieces to that.
Like uh, in the currentbusiness that I have.
I'm not doing it for me, right,like there will be financial
rewards at some point.
But the reason that I'm doingthe Starstream business is
because I want to see anindustry grow from a position

(01:20:31):
that it's never been able togrow before.
We have had a very limitedamount of technology that has
helped off-road grow in people'seyes, right, and when I started
it it was because I didn't havethat ability to do it when I
was racing.
It was limited and I can't callHome Depot and be like hey, bro
, did you see my last race?
They're going to be like.

(01:20:51):
What the fuck are you talkingabout, kid?
Like get out of here, but now,if we give people the
opportunity to be able to havethat, then it will grow an
industry right.
It takes a long time.
So I think to answer thequestion, I think you have to
have a goal.
Let's just say, five years fromnow, off-road you can call Home
Depot and they have be able tosee your, your race.
But what I've learned in the inthe intermediary time is that

(01:21:15):
everybody uses this as adifferent tool in their toolbox
and the way that they're happyis by showcasing it in their own
way.
So it goes back to what Milasaid, and to me it's gratifying
because I get to see thesepeople having success with
something that helps them.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Totally.
I think, too, some of the stuffis expectation based.
If you have an expectation tostart your own business for some
shit like well, I'm going toget free time off and I don't
have to do this and I don't haveto you know, then you're
already fucked and you're not inthe mindset to even own a
business, because therequirement for running a

(01:21:55):
business is so much greater thana normal job period.
You know, that's one thing, andI think part of it for myself
is believing in yourself.
I mean, the simple way ishaving a solution for a common
problem.
It's like your number one thingfor business.
But really, I think, doing itwith no expectation, but this is

(01:22:17):
just your passion and you can'tstop yourself from the passion
and you just need to be doingthis and you're good at it and
you stay on top of it, and Ithink all of that just trickles
into success with a business.
Yeah, you're not thinking aboutmaking something thrive and
you're not thinking I'm gonnastart a business, it's gonna do
good and I'm gonna do this, I'mgonna buy that it's.
Maybe that works for somepeople.
I just that's not my path andthat hasn't been that.

(01:22:38):
I just did something I believedin and I was so heavily
invested in that it started torender its own success because
of that you had to live it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Yeah, you had to live it in order to make it blossom
yeah, 100, it's just like thehow, uh, any type of musical
band like a band, a band doesn'tstart out being massive,
selling out to 60 000 people ata stadium.
A band goes to the bar, to thelocal bar, and play their music.
They want to play their music.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
That's it.
It doesn't matter where they'reat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
There's another one on here.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
With your past experiences working for other
people, do you try to give yourown employees more personal
freedom also to spend withfamily, to leave early to watch
sports and such?
I mean, of course I would neverbe so naughty with that.
My guys are very diligent as ateam and I could really go on a
tangent about employees.
But I could go on a biggertangent about leadership and

(01:23:28):
what that means.
Because if you practiceleadership and ownership as the
owner and operator, then youremployees will grow from that
and they will turn into thesesoldiers that are insane.
Yep, 100 percent.
If, like, I've had guys, I'vecycled through guys and now I've
had these guys, both of themfor almost two years, because
I've, in this last two years ofwhen I've grown and watered

(01:23:52):
myself and it's spread into them.
But giving them time, of coursethey're, they're so good about
it.
They tell me stuff like a monthin advance hey, uh, I'm gonna.
You know, I got this tripthat's gonna be.
Is it cool if I take friday offand then maybe monday?
But I don't know yet and I'm,of course, yeah, obviously I get
more just from the respectlevel of them asking and not

(01:24:15):
expecting.
Yeah, and they're asking me sofar in advance.
Dude, I couldn't even do thatlike thank you, I'm so.
I'm just, I couldn't even dothat Like thank you, I'm so.
I'm just more grateful thatthey do that and I think it's
just a respect thing.
Everybody, you can tell whenpeople slack and they're just
I'm going to call them lazyfucks and when people aren't
committed, and especially if youhave employees that aren't as

(01:24:37):
committed as you are, or you, asa business owner, are not as
committed as your employees.
That shit doesn't work.
Yeah, and it will render theseguys that just want to take time
off.
If there's guys that are comingin late or they're shooting
date, hey, I'm not going to bein today.
And they hit you up in themorning and it's not that

(01:24:57):
they're fucking barfing orpissing out of their ass or some
emergency with their family,then that's already a red flag.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
You, her family, then that's already a red flag
you're fucking.
Yeah, I don't want.
I don't want that, dude.
It's a.
It's an environment that youhave to create well, and that
doesn't mean like and whatyou're saying doesn't mean like
the boss has to be.
This little sissy like you canstill be a gnarly boss and you
can still, like, lead them inthe right direction.
You can still tell them to fuckoff.
They did it wrong, but you gotto make sure that the leader
understands that they are stillhuman beings and it's respect
all across the board.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
It's respect I used to always go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
It's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
I was just getting at it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Go ahead, Emilio.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
I was just going to say when you look at your boss
like, you don't like, I lost mytrain of thought.
I always say you employ youremployer as much as they employ
you, and if you have no respectfor your employer, you shouldn't
be there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:46):
It's a two-way street .

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
It's like a marriage you have to get along in order
for Morgan to make money.
Morgan's employees make money.
We all grow together, so thatenvironment has to be top notch.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Dude one of the little things that I learned.
My dad owned a transmissionshop in a small town in Arizona
and one of the things that Ilearned the most from him was he
offered a week's paid vacationthe following year if you didn't
miss any work the year before.
So if in 2024 you didn't missany work, you showed up to work
every day, you got a week's freevacation.

(01:26:20):
You could go on a cruise, Idon't know a thousand bucks,
whatever it is right, yeah andso, all of a sudden, every
motherfucker showed up for workevery day yeah, that's the
incentive that works sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
That works, sometimes it doesn't.
I I don't have any issues likegoing back to it with guys
taking time.
My both of my guys don't havekids and if they did like I know
, I know one of our guys that'sgoing to come in soon.
That's part of the team.
He has a two-year-old and I'vehad all that.
If, if you're working, you knowpart of it is like life
experience.
If you're working for a guythat's never had kids, then how

(01:26:52):
can you expect that guy to havespace for, like, understanding
your program with having a kid?
Yeah, um, I, I give all of themwhatever time they need.
In their extreme.
It's just a respect thing.
Just like you guys say, youknow if, the longer they're
respectful, if they're blowingshit off or they're being
slackers like they're not goingto be with me, no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
So one thing that we do every time we hire somebody
is we go through the interviewprocess and we ask a question
how would you handle thiscertain project or situation?
Right, always, always, always,always.
The laziest person will tellyou the best way to handle that
project.
Then you kick them out and youhire the other guy and do it

(01:27:31):
that way.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Yeah Well, I think there's stuff to be said about
that.
If I could figure things outmore than you know, I'd maybe do
things like that too.
I just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
Somebody keeps asking to talk about the Blackbird
project.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Wait before we get there.
I've got a two-parter.
Yeah, we've got a half hour.
You've got a half hour.

Speaker 3 (01:27:50):
I've got all the time .
I know I'm doing low batterythings.
So I'm pre-writing my scheme toplug this computer cord in and
it's going to reach.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Yeah, scheme to plug this computer cord in and it's
gonna reach.
Yeah, so we're good, cool.
So, uh, someone, I actuallythought of this myself because
I've been fortunate enough tobeen allowed to, uh, do my own
designs on other companiesvehicles.
Someone asked I forget thescreen name, I apologize.
How much creative freedom doyour guys get when it comes to
certain aspects?
Uh, that's a tricky one dudeand it's.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
It is, it's not.
It's not so much.
I'm not like an asshole, likefor for reference, and I don't
think kevin will have anydiscrepancy.
But I used to.
I used to work at h&m for kevin.
Kevin runs this business wherehe's like he does things way, no
matter whether you have abetter design or something that
would be more streamlined ormore efficient in production or

(01:28:46):
anything.
It was a constant head butbecause he wants to do it this
way, this way, this way, ourbranding, uh, in our business is
so tailored to design and style.
That is the hardest thing.
I love teaching.
I love I plan to teacheverything I know on a platform

(01:29:08):
that's available to the world.
But I, when I go into thatphase, I'm like man, design is
the hardest thing to teachbecause that's the one thing
that I don't really think aboutand I can do just fluidly.
And it's hard for the guys.
They definitely.
It's very similar to if youmove to a foreign country and
they were speaking a differentlanguage at some point.

(01:29:29):
Living in that household.
You're going to start pickingup on cues.
You're going to start figuringout how to speak that language.
Some people might be more adeptto learning that quicker and
some people might not, and sothe guys definitely I start to
let the design trickle intotheir own creative liberties.
But really it's big visionstuff and they're totally okay

(01:29:51):
because I, with alex and colinboth they've been in some
instances where I know they'vequestioned things like man, is
this gonna look okay?
like yeah and every time again,not in an egotistical way, but
like my skill set and my gift isdesign, and I take them through

(01:30:13):
these, these projects, whereit's like an experience for them
, because they're trusting me tolead them in the design.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
And then I was just going to say that that's a good
leader and they and they do they.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
They're not as hesitant now because they know
the outcome, like same withvivian or the truggy or anything
we've built.
Where they go, they step backand they're so proud and they're
so fulfilled and nourished fromthat that they trust me with
design.
I can't trust them to do designlike I do because it's just not
at that caliber.
I spent my whole life like mybrain is retarded or different.

(01:30:49):
Something is off with me wheredesign is easy for me and it
comes fluid.
So you know, colin has moreseat time fabricating with me.
He's my lead fabricator and Ido.
Let him have some creativeliberties a lot more, maybe 40%,
sometimes max.
There's a lot of times where Ilet him go on a template and

(01:31:14):
then if I'm there then I'll comeover and I'll revise it for him
.
But I'll say, show me somethingfirst.
Then I'll come over and I'llrevise it for him.
But I'll say, show me somethingfirst.
You know I'll give him.
It needs to be here, draw itout to here, have it land
tangent here, and then just fillall that in and show me what
you get and then I'll let him go.
And then it's better for me tocritique that because, like at
art center.
That's what I would do.
I would we put up our work onthe wall and then we'd go around

(01:31:37):
with the class and theinstructor and we'd critique it.
You know the classmates wouldcritique it, the instructor
would critique it.
You know, this is okay, don'tlike that.
This needs to be different andit's constructive criticism and
as long as you're not insecureabout it, you're only helping
the person grow.
So it's the same with Colin.
I come in and I'll be like allright, I like this.
I would put this break rightwhere the directional change on

(01:32:00):
the top plate goes here and Iexplain it to him and then it
registers in his file folder inhis brain for next time and then
it might just be a littlepercent that helps him for the
next design.
And so I grow him like that.
For him to create a dash orsomething is going to be, you
know that's going to take a longtime, yeah, so I do control.

(01:32:21):
You know that's going to take along time.
Yeah, so I do, I do control.
I have to have that controlbecause that's what makes us who
we are with mcd1.
If, if I just say, hey, gobuild a bumper on this thing,
like a lot of shops do thatright.
They're like, hey, build a bedcage for that, build a bumper,
then my branding is so far offthat it doesn't tie into us as a
whole.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
It's the way it makes sense.
It it works like that a lot.
There's a couple things that Igot from that.
I mean like you could use TroyLee Designs as the same kind of
example, right, or any othercreative company.
But what you're doing, and whatI'm reading behind the scenes,
is that you're cultivating themto actually give them the
opportunity and they're workinghard enough to be able to absorb

(01:33:01):
the information, that they canactually progress and build
themselves up.
And I think that that's reallythe first questions that we
asked in the conversation iswhat advice would you give to
people?
Well, you might not be able togive them a one-liner, but you
can give them a lifetime ofadvice, and you're doing that
with the guys.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Absolutely, and that's the same thing.
I support them, like with Colin.
He's 25.
He's one of the greatestexamples of a 25-year-old that I
have came across to date,because so many kids that are 25
are not optimal examples ofhuman beings.
And you know, with him I alwaystell him too I say, dude,
whenever I'm here to support you, whenever you are at a point

(01:33:42):
where you he's so hungry itdoesn't even make sense that he
would want to stay with meforever, because kids like that,
when they have heads on theirshoulders like that, they should
fucking go get the world, go go, go get it.
And that's what I tell him.
I say I'm grateful for youevery day that you're here, and
if there's ever a time where youwant to grow or you want to
branch out, you want to do yourown thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
I'm going to support you, like that's yeah, I'm here
to support you.
I can only imagine, like youbeing the, the leader that you
are now being like wow, this kidis like he's going to be good
in 10 years, like he's going tobe fucking amazing already yeah,
so hard to find.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Yeah, once you find that one, you're like, oh, I'm
just going to water this onedude.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Yeah, well, that's I don't ever want to get into a
spot where I I feel like I've,I'm, it's a necessity.
I want to know, like, no matterwhat, I'm still at a point
where, if all else fails, I canrun the.
I'll steer this fucking shitdude and I'll run this
motherfucker.
You know like, and I'm, I stillhave that.
I'm not at some thing where Ihave this huge overhead and

(01:34:37):
there's 12 cars and there's 15employees and you know, I don't
feel that like, oh my God, if Idon't have this, these people or
this guy, then I'm fucked Like.
I don't want to put myself in aposition like that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Yeah, sometimes that growth is scary.
Right, it's scary it happensfast.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
But it's also accepting the things you cannot
change, like if people leave,they leave you, put your time
and invest in them for what theygive you, and if they're
putting their sweat equity intoyour business and they're
helping you and they're fuckingbusting their ass, then, dude,
every day counts yeah, if theydecide they're gonna move on,
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
You really think about it.
You're just renting them, rightI'm?

Speaker 1 (01:35:15):
an employee.
I'm.
That's the way I see it.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
I'm being rented eight hours a day and it's I you
a service, you give me somemoney and that's kind of how it
is.
But you have to have thatenvironment for the rental to
stay.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
There's another youngster you're affecting, so
Seth Quintero just chimed in.
So never met Morgan, but whenthe guy speaks I really tune in.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
What's up, Seth?
I like watching Seth's journey.
He's a hell of a driver.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
He's a hell of a driver.
You just like it because he hassuch beautiful hair.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Because I want to get those Dakar tires on the cheap.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
Oh perfect, we got to see Seth at Crandon.
He did a really good job too.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
Man, it was cool to see him do it.
Yeah, he hopped in right.
That was kind of a foreignvehicle.

Speaker 1 (01:35:55):
Yeah, it was cool to see him do all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:36:06):
You guys want to just talk about the blackbird.
Yeah, let's do the blackbird.
What's up with the blackbird?
I was almost gonna pull up apicture and I've been holding
out on this thing.
So the blackbirds, this youknow, like with my career, like
what I watched is I created thatthat pre-runner, beth, my super
crew, i-beam super crew, leafspring truck, crazy bed cage,
caged, all this stuff and Icreated that and then that gave

(01:36:26):
me, like this, this window intothe off-road industry as like a
like accredited fabricator andthat's what like got me my job
with jamie campbell at raceco,etc.
I want to enter into the hotrod world and, like the street
car and road car world and, um,I'm going to do it.
I think I have to do it,funding this thing like myself.

(01:36:47):
Um, I had a guy that was in,like he was going to invest in
building this thing and he gotlike, like we Aaron Beck and I
designed this thing.
Aaron Beck does a lot of.
He's a high-end digitaldesigner.
He does stuff for Elysium, alot of futuristic designs.
He's a bad motherfucker fromNew Zealand.

(01:37:08):
Originally I was going to havethis thing funded a
million-dollar-plus, amillion-five.
The guy ended up being a lotmore of a talker than he was
ready to pony up and startbuilding this thing.
But I got so invested in itbecause it's been my dream.
The sr, the sr 71 blackbird, is.

(01:37:30):
Do you guys know what that is?
Yeah, okay, most guys do.
But you just a quick rundown.
Like that was built it was.
It started it's skunkworksskunkworks, kelly johnson, uh,
lockheed martin.
It started its Skunk Works,skunk Works, kelly Johnson,
lockheed Martin.
It started its duties in 1966.
It was the fastest productionor just fastest plane ever built
.
The way it was designed.

(01:37:52):
The faster you go, the moreefficient it would get.
It would fly at 75,000-footceiling, yep.
And it was an absolute marvelof engineering and I think even
to this day, this is that thatplane stands the test of time.
They decommissioned it, but itis one of the most greatest.

(01:38:13):
Like, if you guys want to justgeek on something, watch
blackbird documentaries onyoutube and there's one over at
march air force Base.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
There is, yeah there's one inside.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
It's really good.
You can go and look in thecockpit and stuff.
I know where all of them are.
And since I was a kid, when Iwas like five and six years old,
I was drawing.
Like I started drawing hot rodsand stuff and then, like
getting into fourth and fifthgrade, I was drawing all
military aircraft and I wasdrawing jets and F-14, tomcats,

(01:38:43):
apache, helicopters, things likethat, but always the Blackbird
was this thing to me and it'sjust such a pinnacle of Cold War
era brutal design.
Like functional, the thingleaks gobs of fuel until it gets
up to temperature and like dudethe whole thing.
Like even the titanium right,the CIA had to create all these
different false or fakecompanies to buy all the

(01:39:06):
titanium from the soviet unionwhile we were building that
plane to spy on the soviet union.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
Like it's remember that was a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
Dude is so fucking epic yeah so you know this hot
rod I.
I came up with this conceptwhere I want to build this 1966
Lincoln four-door, hardtop,suicide style thing and I want
to take every single aspect ofthe SR-71, and I want to put it
into this Lincoln and I want tohave a big Steve Morris billet

(01:39:35):
lock in there, quad turbo,sequential turbos.
This thing's going to go 250miles an hour, full titanium,
sheet metal, body, hand-formed,and I've started to just fund
this thing on my own and it'sgoing to be the greatest
investment I've ever put intosomething, and I think that
that's what I have to do in mylife.

(01:39:56):
This is how I want to.
I don't want someone to fund it, I want to fund it.
I want it to be mine, I want to.
I don't want someone to fund it, I want to fund it.
I want it to be mine.
I want to put the blood, sweatand tears into this thing.
I want to keep it under wrapsuntil it's ready and then I'll
start showing the process.
But right now, like, what I'vebeen doing is just I work with
Aaron Beck and he's helped medesign all the exterior and

(01:40:17):
we've modeled this thing in thecomputer.
I've like, like, viewed it invr in real time, like and I've
laid under it and looked at it.
I fucking cried dude.
I saw this thing go togetherand I viewed it at the shop and
I was just like, oh my god, Ibrought taylor to look at it, so
that's my hot rod that I'mbuilding and it's.
It's like 37 inches tall to theroof um it's nice it's it's

(01:40:41):
based off not like a Bonnevilletop speed, it's going to be 250
miles an hour and it's based offlike standing mile and then
like track stuff.
So big square tire car, uhBugatti tire package, like a
Veyron tire package, yep, um.
And now it's going through, uh,cfd and digital aerodynamic

(01:41:03):
testing with Aero Dave in NewZealand.
So I've been like getting onphone calls.
Aaron and I will catch up ondesign and then Dave and Aaron
and I will get on like a Zoomcall or a team viewer and then
we'll run through all theaerodynamics analysis on the
thing and I have all thosebadass images where all the air
is going through and where it'sbeing disturbed.

(01:41:23):
So we're on our second roundright now to get you know more
aerodynamic into the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
Uh, you know I dude.
I agree with what you're sayingon all this stuff, though like
doing it self-funded, likebecause the gratification,
self-fulfillment, like therealization of, like the goal,
the process, like every singlething matches up with your
personality and your drive andit's the thing like people are
like when are you going to buildan off-road car?

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
when are you going to build a pre-run?
Like dude little, do youfucking know what I'm doing
right now?
I'm literally building thisblackbird.
Like I look at this thing everyday.
I have 3d printed models ofthis thing and my friends, like
robs of, bring me blackbirdmodels and like everybody that's
like in my circle knows aboutthis thing.
It's just the transitionhappened because I'm like, fuck

(01:42:09):
yeah, dude, full ride.
This guy's gonna build thisthing.
Like you know, we're gonna hitthis thing.
We can.
We will spend big budget on it.
We'll start working off chunks.
And it didn't work out.
But it was perfect because whenthe guy saw the image, he's
like he didn't see the vision.
And if that guy already like ifI'm so glad I showed him the
image early on, because if wewould have gotten deep and then

(01:42:30):
he goes, dude, I don't see it,that's the wrong guy yeah, he
signed up for something hedidn't want yeah, and it's just,
I get so much now where I'mlike, yeah, I want to be
stressed out, yep, I want tofigure out when I'm going to
need to pay for this and how I'mgoing to get this.
I've never even cashed in onvendors.
I've never said, hey, I'mbuilding this dream project.
Can you guys help me?
I've never done that.

(01:42:51):
This is my thing, this is mynext project and when we get
into a different facility, thenI'll start working on this thing
and you know it'll be the frameon it.
Do you guys?
Did you ever see those filtersI did for that big donkey truck,
the big blue truck and thecanister mounts?
They were all flared, hole likeplated and boxed.
I didn't see it, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
It was like two years ago maybe two years a year and
a half, but it was.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
I built it off like a blimp like an airframe style,
where it's very thin materialbut it's all flared holes like
dimple dies and it's all boxed.
So it's extremely rigid butthere's more hole than there is
material.
That's how you're supposed todo dimple dies.
Right, right, right right.
And so the whole chassis onthis thing.
I'm going to have Joe help medesign it in SolidWorks, but

(01:43:35):
it'll be the whole chassisinside the car, even the upper
cage, will all be air-framed.
Where it's complete flared hole, boxed, tig-welded everywhere.
There's no tubing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
I thought about doing that a long time ago.
I thought it would be so radIt'll have seats that are
modeled like ejector seats.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
It'll just be a two-seater.
You'll open up the suicidehorse and there'll be just all
cold piping on one side, hotpiping on the other side.
Nice, the turbos will be in theback seat.
Staggered 25,000, 30,000horsepower.

Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Jesus, dude, that'll be insane.
Hey, have you ever seen themovie the World's Fastest Indian
?
Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:13):
Yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
That's what this story reminds me of just the
dedication and love.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
Yeah, so that's the Blackbird.
It's like my constant.
Sometimes I put little previewsof it on my like story or
something, just because I'm likewhen I get stuff from Aaron,
I'm so excited but I don't wantto just show it yet.
And once I start like once westart developing the chassis,

(01:44:39):
then I'll probably just cover itjust like I do everything else
and we'll just start going indepth.
I don't?
I love to share the journey thatI'm on with everything you know
, and I don't care if it's hardor if it's negative or if it's a
failure.
I'm so grateful for my lifejust in general, and I'm so
grateful that I don't have vicesand I don't have addiction or
alcoholism or something thatplagues me every day, that

(01:44:59):
brings me down, that I'mdropping promises to myself on
Like I spent years doing thatand it just fucking ruined me
and now I just feel like this Ican't stop and I can't not share
all of this stuff, because it'sso exciting to me and I'm so
grateful for it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:15):
It's almost like you've lifted the blanket off
all the demons and now thepositive is just propelling you
forward into this new world.
Yeah, that's what I'm gettingout of it, dude, I love that man
it's a second life.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point to ask him some of
the rapid fire questions andstuff.
Can I ask?

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
one 30-second question before we get to rapid
fire stuff.
Can I ask one 30 secondquestion before we get to rapid
fire?
It's 30 seconds really, becauseI got my own and I realize you
know, as a builder, you they'reall your babies and it's hard to
pick.
Sure, but I have my favoriteout of 28 years or whatever.
Do you have one favorite buildthat you're like?
You have your favorite morgansare yours.
Uh, I have one of morgans thatI really, really like but.

(01:45:55):
I have one of mine.
That's always going to be.
That's my favorite.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
I think you've dabbled in a lot more.
You've got to think with me.
I've worked at a bunch of shops, so sometimes you're just
working on something, you getpulled off.
You work on another thing.
A lot of our cars, too, arelike rehabs.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Yeah, but I'm saying one that you were like that's a
Morgan Clark car.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
Well, the Range Rover for sure that's the one I've
been into building an SUV likethat, and I love SUVs.
I've loved them since I had theExplorer.
I love wagons like a nicefucking CTS-V wagon or R6.
So I like that proportion,Since doing the sheet metal like
starting, you know, because Ihad Colin do a lot of the sheet
metal Once I transitioned intoworking on the Dakar prototype

(01:46:37):
myself.
That's where I feel in love andI look forward to that, I'm
thinking about that and I'mobsessing on that.
So I think that's really mycurrent project, is my favorite
project.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Ryan is a good dude.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
That's a good dude to build a car for I think his
favorite project will changewhen his new project comes out.
One of the things that, like Ican probably see, is the gears
start turning.
But I'm a big wagon guy too.
If I could drop off a brand newe-class amg with you, that
would be like my dream yeah,ryan's great.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
I mean, if you talk about, like, what I look forward
to the most, it's the blackbird.
That's my absolute dreamvehicle.
Ever in my whole entire life,it's the most exciting thing to
me in my life.
I I can't wait for that hotwheels car.
You know there, you go see thegoals.
Yeah, I well, I know it all.
It's a, it's that, it's thatbig of a car and I think that

(01:47:31):
that's that's so like, that'sthe path I want, because it's
like if you build it, they willcome.
Like that remember KevinCostner in Field of Dreams?
Yeah, it was always that, thatphrase if you build it, they
will come, and it's, it's,that's how it worked, man, I put
all of my heart and my soulinto that.
That bath truck.
I fucking found out my mom hadcancer around that time.

(01:47:51):
Like I found out we were havingLogan at that time.
Like I did, I used that tool tocope with a gang of shit, you
know, and I I didn't look downor I didn't look up, I just
worked on it.
You know, 10 to 14 hours friday, saturday, sunday go back to
work, work, my fucking dead-endjob.
It's sitting out there.
I'm looking at it every day,thinking about it, going back,
working on it, all that.

(01:48:13):
That turned into a return oninvestment with, like my life
now, and so this thing is, youknow, like the.
The off-road market is greatand I love off-road stuff and I
love pre-runners, but it'slimited and what I have to offer
people with design is so muchgreater than just building an
off-road car yeah yes, it's justso much more limitless than an

(01:48:35):
off-road car.
And now let's think about it.
There's how much desert, howmany of these people are running
$500 to $1 million cars inthese deserts.
And how much desert is there?
Now, what's that demographic?
Now how many of those can youactually build?
And then how, like it just itstarts to get very small.
And then you start going well,dude, what about hot rods?
And what about beautiful customstreet cars?

(01:48:56):
That's stuff about hot rods andwhat about beautiful custom
street cars?
That stuff where, when I buildthis blackboard, there might be
some guy in japan buying thatthing I don't buy.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
It's well, you know what I'm saying, it's so broad.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
I just I don't need to be doing off-road stuff, I
just need to be designing.
And if I could just startdesigning one example of
anything someone can bring methat makes sense that's what I
do, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Yeah, but look we, I, we love it that you started an
off-road.
Thank, you.

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I love off-road too.
I think our fab in off-road notyours and mine, but in general
has taken the streetcar fab toanother level.
Because, now it's not justBondo and paint.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
It's like, oh, I've got to make this look good.
Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 3 (01:49:35):
I think there's also a market like how we're building
stuff, or even a lot ofoff-road guys Like say, like I
saw Everson has, they'rebuilding like some older, like a
little car that has like billetarms, like a small scale, it's
got all off-road parts in it andstuff and it's got all off-road

(01:49:59):
.
You compare it to like what toptier off-road builders are
doing and you're like yo, youguys got a lot of steps to make
a nice paint.

Speaker 1 (01:50:05):
you know, yeah, exactly there's been a lot of
crossover though, too.
Like we're at the herb shopyesterday, I mean, they're using
nascar stuff.
They fly back and forth.
They fly back and forth to joegibbs, jo to Joe Gibbs.
Joe Gibbs gets pointers fromthem.
Like the way, the way that thelevel of off-road has I don't
know stepped up in the past.
I would say, in my opinion, thelast five years it was stagnant

(01:50:26):
for a little while.
I think it's been really reallycool to see and I don't think
it's just one person, like it'snot just team honda, it's like
it's a.
I think it's one dude, but I dothink it's a james lynn.
Yeah, he's done a, he's done agreat job, um, but I do think
it's a collaboration ofeverybody um working together,
and people like morgan too, youknow, with james lynn big james

(01:50:51):
lynn fan.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
Over here there's a lot of people, no, just just
technology wise, because he'sthe brakes and the ECM and
tuning and it's taken it, andthen you got Joe Gibbs and then
you got the fab, of course, butthis is my opinion, yeah well,
that's technology.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
I think, too, it's blown up over the last few years
too, because of just socialmedia, for sure, people being
inspired and seeing stuff andcreating, and then also
manufacturing and resourcecapabilities.
There's a lot more you know andcreating, and then also you
know, manufacturing and resourcecapabilities.
There's a lot more resourcesthan there was.
There's a lot more people thatare able to make these parts for

(01:51:25):
people and there's a lot moretechnology that's at the
fingertips of people that arejust wanting to learn how to use
the programs.
Yeah, exactly, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:51:32):
Well, let's wind this down so we can get to the
rapid-fire questions, but I dowant to say that a lot of the
stuff that we've been talkingabout has really got me
motivated because of the factthat most of it's the way you
think, morgan, and I.
I appreciate your creativitymore than you know, and I
appreciate your skills more thanyou know.
But none of that comes withoutyour mindset and the way that

(01:51:52):
you live on a daily basis.
Right, you get up in themorning and you do these things,
and you're family-oriented andyou have a soulfulness about you
and all of these differentthings, and those are the things
that are meaningful, that willfulfill you.
To be on your bed at your lastbreath, to be like, yeah, I
fucking did it, I wanted thislife.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Yeah, can I touch on that?

Speaker 1 (01:52:11):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
I think that people can like dog on or be negative
on routines, but when you're ahigh functioning person,
creative, all that stuff, youhave to implement structure into
your life, because you're youare not structured.
Your brain is beautiful and itcreates these beautiful things,
but if there is not some kind ofa harness there, it's fucking

(01:52:36):
wasted.
And that's what has been such aticket.
I mean, obviously don't havevices, obviously don't be
drinking and drugging, don't doshit that you're going to feel
guilty or carry shame, becausethat's more stuff that's going
to cloud your mind.
But then, when it gets to thenext level, then it's just doing
things that give you structureand that can let you walk a

(01:52:56):
clear path.
When you talk about laying onyour deathbed, that's also
something that happened to me acouple years ago, where I go
dude, well, I'm 37 and I go howlike?
At what point here do I startto act like someone that I can
be proud of?
Is this the person that I wantto be when I die?
Do I want my kids to look atthis guy?

(01:53:18):
Is this how I want to look?
Is this how I want to feel?
Is this how I want to eat?
Is this me?
Do I want to be this fuckingguy that carries guilt, that
carries shame, that doesn'tfucking feel good, that's not
healthy, that can't fucking runin the grass for 10 minutes with
my kids, that can't carry him,can't throw him.
I.
I like something clicked andlike I want to just like to just
I'm 37, I'm 39.

(01:53:38):
Now I'm 37.
I want to spend this other halfof my life just doing
everything I fucking can, everysingle day, to be the best
person I can.
And that doesn't mean that I'mperfect and that doesn't mean
that I'm successful and that I'mjust winning.
It's just.
It's applying those principlesevery day where you can be
building to the person that youwant to be, someone that your

(01:53:59):
wife can be proud of, someonethat your kids can be proud of,
people around you and yourself.
When you're dead and you'relooking at yourself and you're
like, fuck, dude, I made afucking effort.
I didn't just let this shit go.
I didn't just waste these years.
I did this shit, I got after it.
Whatever it looks like, itdoesn't mean that I well, if I
don't have a ferrari or I don'thave a fucking p51 mustang when

(01:54:20):
I'm 65, then fuck it.
No, it's just.
It's just about that consciouseffort, and what that's given me
too, is, if stuff is tough, Iknow that I have things every
day that I can do where I'mgonna feel good about it and I
can get through it, and then itgets better.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
dude, one thousand percent, I could personally tell
you when you're on yourdeathbed, you think going to
feel good about it and I can getthrough it, and then it gets
better.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Dude 1000% I can personally tell you when you're
on your deathbed, you thinkabout nothing but your kids and
your life.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
I don't know.
I've heard a lot of theories onthat.
I've heard that you reflect onyour whole life.
I've heard it all flashesthrough and you look at every
single instance of how you'vetreated other people and and
like a lot of experience goes,goes right, like it's just like
a flash card through there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Yeah, you know.
Yeah, what else do you have?
Do you want to do questions?

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
We're on fire, man.
I want to say this, though Idon't want to get too deep into
it, but I have been in thatplace and it's very much more
like what Morgan explained.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
It didn't happen to me.
I just remember laying therelike my kids are going to wonder
why I'm not coming home, butthat's just me.

Speaker 1 (01:55:21):
It's kind of crazy, but it's crazy.
I appreciate that, uh, that youcan foresee that and you have
the forethought to make surethat you're living every single
day to the fullest Motivational,by the way, brother.
Hell, yeah, I feel like I justgot.
Yeah, I feel like I just wentto a therapy session.
All right, morgan Clark, areyou ready for rapid-fire Q&A on
the Dirt Life show?

(01:55:42):
Does that just?

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
mean I need to answer quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Oh shit, we can't hear you, I lost him.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Can you hear us?
Yeah, there you are.
We got you back.
All right, mila, I'll go first,and then you go after, and then
you go after.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Tacos or hot dogs Tacos.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
Chicken or asada.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Oh fuck chicken, Are you thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Chick-fil-A right now .
Just protein, protein, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Where are you getting those chicken tacos at, not off
the street Dunes or?

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
the river.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
Dunes Action shots or or steel shots.
What?

Speaker 3 (01:56:21):
does that mean?

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
like action, pictures like driving there or a car
blowing through a burn yeah,dirt explosions everywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:56:28):
That really depends on the application, but I'm
gonna stay still yeah, I can seethat, uh, three-wheeler quad,
everything, yeah.
So you can see thatThree-wheeler or quad.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
Yeah, so you can see the details.
Three-wheeler or quadThree-wheeler.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Pizza rollers or jalapeno poppers.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
You guys are terrible dude.
I don't need your bondsJalapeno poppers, coffee or tea.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Coffee.
That's my favorite Favoritemovie Terminator 2, Judgment Day
.

Speaker 1 (01:56:57):
Ooh, that's actually.
I didn't expect that I wastalking about it today.
It was a quick one.
Instagram or Facebook Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
What happened to MySpace?
If you could have onesuperpower, what would it be?

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
God, that's not a quick one.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
I think it's a good one though.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Yeah, I don't know, just unlimited health, that's a
good one dude.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Yeah, that is a really good one.
Netflix or YouTube.
Youtube Video or photos.
Video, now, I agree with that.
Photos are like when you get agood photo though, it's just
fucking insane Good dude.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
But you know, video just gives you more information,
you know, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
So, uh, ray F150 said , facebook is only good for
Marketplace.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
Dude my.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
Marketplace has been off the chain lately, so I've
been looking for houses rightand then so a three-wheeler pop
up.
I saw a big wheel pop up theother day and then this morning
I wake up a big ass butt plugLike just straight up, like
right in front of the house.
It was so nice.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Yeah, they were all used yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
It said slightly used dude.
I've been looking at planes onthe facebook marketplace what
time?

Speaker 1 (01:58:22):
nothing I can afford, but they're cool to look at uh
well, this says most memorablerace um 2008 vegas terreno just
saying, yep, what's your mostmemorable race?

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
I rode with jerry larryimore in a night race out
by Gene years ago.
I probably had no businessbeing in the car doing that
stuff.
I was nervous but I had areally great experience.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
I rode in the jug.
I left home 50.
Night race with Jerry Larimoresounds like a pretty good time.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
In the jug.
Yeah, That'd be so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Favorite snack.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
Favorite I don't snack, just a meal cracker.

Speaker 2 (01:59:05):
Go straight for the protein.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Yeah, I was going to say big protein drink guy or I
was thinking like maybe aprotein bar or something.

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
I literally use food for fuel now, like that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
Super cross or motocross, uh motocross uh, if
you could, what other form ofracing would you like to try?

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
hey, first off, how come you guys don't answer these
with me?

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
I want to hear your stuff yeah, we can supercross I
can't if you're motocross umdude, motocross for speed,
supercross for show you can'tpick both.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Supercross is a good excuse to go, yeah yeah, yeah
yeah, so I I for viewing, I'dlike supercross, but always,
always, always, I pick motocross.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
But I was always way better at motocross, so I had to
stop going to supercrossbecause it turned into super
fast it's all the bro shit, justyeah, drunk all that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
Yeah, dude my first supercross.
I remember like my dad, uh,took me there and then, uh, no,
this is my second supercross.
We went to dallas and likewe're walking the track and he
walks over and he goes george,come stand over here.
And I was only 18, so I wasstill a little guy, um, but
anyways, we walk to the whoopsand he goes watch, I'm gonna go
walk over there.
And he stood there and thewhoops, and he goes watch.

(02:00:19):
I'm going to go walk over there.
And he stood there and thewhoops were almost up to his
like armpit in the deep.
And he goes how the fuck areyou going to make it through
here on a bike?
Like is it possible?
And I go, I don't know.
And so I go for the first lapand I'm just like, okay, I'll
just jump through them.
And I jumped through the firstone, landed, smacked it down.
It was like I landed on thestand and I just went straight
over the bars.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
Yeah, Full commit on those things.
Those Supercross guys aregnarly.

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
But I pick motocross all day.
Yeah, speed.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
All right.
What's the question, milo?
What other form of racing wouldyou like to try If it was me?
Dtm or Formula 1.

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Ooh, dtm, dtm or Formula 1?
Ooh, dtm.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
OG.
I'm saying early 90s DTM.
Yeah, og, dtm.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
I'm such a DTM guy but I think if we were doing all
that, I'd go.
Australian V8 supercars.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
I can do that.
Those are pretty gnarly, though, too.
You think that's a realdriver's car or driver's class?

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
Oh, 100%.
Those things are nasty dude.

Speaker 1 (02:01:14):
Are those spec cars or no?

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
I believe they're NASCAR spec-ish yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Since you guys stole them, because I want DTM too.
But since you guys stole it,I'm going to pick ProtoZap cars,
p-cars, I see.

Speaker 3 (02:01:29):
Flores under here saying rally, and rally would be
fire.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Group B yeah, Group B Dude, that would be pretty fun.
Could you imagine I'm scaredabout the woods, though.
Going that fast through treesjust fucking freaks me out.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
I just posted a video somewhere, I think it was
Sweden.
At night, they were lightingfires next to the rally course
and the cars are going through.
It just looks chaos, I love it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
That's a wonderful experience, though, dude.
I mean once you get yourbearings and you're just
listening to the co-dog.
You're good You're not crashinginto trees.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
That's a whole other level of tranquil Like.
If you watch those guys,they're in a whole different
world.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
I feel like they're built like a different breed,
though man, fuck, that's thething 100%.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
Do you guys ever have anything where you find a for
what you're thinking in front ofyour face?

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
yes, what is it?

Speaker 3 (02:02:16):
to jujitsu for you.
And then what?

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
is it 100?
Yeah, well, I have two.
Now I've slowed down and it'sit's road bike riding, but it
used to be dirt bike.
It used to be dirt bikes oroff-roading.

Speaker 3 (02:02:26):
I just so, just to just for reference, because I,
even when I would be racingdistrict 37 or something like,
going as hard as I can, I wouldstill find myself thinking about
bullshit.
Yeah, I'd be up in my brain ina file folder over here opening
this thing up, doing all this,you know, and and I would never
be able to retain that focusbecause it still wasn't enough.

(02:02:48):
Sensory input shift your parts.
I was talking to a man aboutthis dude.
I have shifter cards downstairsand I used to take logan a lot
and our stuff started breakingand I never fixed it in life but
that was the one thing I wouldget it.
I had a 125 shifter, oh my god,and you've spent a couple laps.
And when the tires are hot dude, it is insane the feedback and

(02:03:10):
how they respond and how thepower to wait.
It's that one thing I would.
I do it and I'd spend like,whatever the session was,
whether it's 15 minutes or 20minutes, and I I would feel so
meditative because I'm I get,take my hell off and go.
I didn't fucking think aboutanything yeah, I didn't think
like I was just focused andthat's it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
That's the one thing yeah, I bet rallies like that.
Yeah that, that's a goodstatement.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
I rode a 125 shifter once and it was the scariest,
funnest, craziest thing ever.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
It was so much we got to drive them a lot Riding
motocross it was basically thesame thing or supercross and
stuff, but those 125 shiftercarts.
We would practice to be able tosmooth out our line options.

Speaker 2 (02:03:56):
It was kind of cool, by the way, that K1 over in
Winchester is almost open.
Me and Brett Serapis andChristian.
We're going to be over there alot, Sign me up.

Speaker 1 (02:04:06):
I was the same way as you, though, After the dirt
bikes.
I got into side-by-sides and wedid Lucas World stuff.
I would go down thestraightaways and we'd be going
I don't know, let's just say 80or 90 miles an hour down some of
the fastest straightaways and Ifelt like I was in slow motion,
like I could just eat asandwich, like I would tell
everybody this all the timebecause it's the exact opposite
of what you just explained.

(02:04:26):
Yeah, and then you get to thecorner and you're like, oh, fuck
yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:04:30):
Yeah, and I just I would always feel that cause I'm
always in my head it's the,it's the worst spot to be, and
I've noticed that with ridingdirt bikes.
And I was good, I was fast,like I saw someone say not going
fast enough.
Like dude, I was going as fastas I could go you know, like
fuck and um I.
But I just noticed that like Ican't get away from that, that

(02:04:50):
thinking in my brain and justthe overthought process of stuff
when I don't need to dude yeahjujitsu, you, you know what he's
good at, though, is the, theswamp boat racing where the guy
just goes left and right he'ssuper good at that.
Yeah, they're all.

Speaker 1 (02:05:05):
This is yeah, oh yeah , but I love that your, your
brain, would be able to like forcomprehendance and yeah, dude,
that'd be.
Uh, what next one?
Oh, speedboat, or dragsterSpeedboat, oof, what are you
going with I'm?

Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
a land mammal.
Dude, I'll take the dragster Ithink I'm going dragster too.

Speaker 3 (02:05:24):
I just found this You're going to pull that bitch
apart every time you run it.
You're going to rebuild theengine and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:05:29):
No, I got dudes to do that Dude.

Speaker 1 (02:05:32):
My, that's actually a good point.
I'm not that good at sitting inthe pits when all that fuel is
what the nitrous is when theyrebuild the motor.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
It's just mind-boggling to me.
A guy takes apart what are they?
20,000, now 10,000 horsepower.
Yeah, in 40 minutes or 20minutes.
They take it apart, rebuild it,put it back together and go do
four seconds.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
That's chaos.
Well, that's a.
Have you sat there and watchedthem rebuild it?

Speaker 3 (02:05:53):
The resources, the efficiency, and then you're
really just running a quartermile.
If I can go get in a speedboatand rip that thing to Catalina,
dude, come on, that's a goodpoint, we both follow what is
Vehicle.

Speaker 2 (02:06:04):
Magazine where they have the speedboats from the 80s
in.

Speaker 3 (02:06:07):
Miami All the co-runner boats too yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
That makes me not want to do it dude.

Speaker 1 (02:06:13):
We've been doing a lot with offshore boat racing.
We just did a big race downthere.
Uh, for those guys it was sosick, they got some jet engine
you want to talk about money.

Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
You think trophy trucks have money.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Oh no, dude, those are like each one of those boats
was three and a half to fourand a half million each boat.
Yep, it was gnarly that'sbadass dude.

Speaker 2 (02:06:31):
Uh, that was it.
Oh, chips and guacamole orfries and ketchup, this one
should should be pretty easy.

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
Chips and guacamole.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
Yeah bro, all day dude, we actually had one that
was.
I forgot what it was, but letme see if I can find the
question, because somebody askeda good one in here.
Oh, I can't find it now.
Oh well, standing mile in abuilt street car is more

(02:06:59):
impressive.

Speaker 3 (02:07:02):
I like watching those shows.

Speaker 2 (02:07:04):
Sometimes I'll watch 1320 stuff do you have a
favorite hypercar?
That's so tough, not supercarhypercar that's so tough.

Speaker 3 (02:07:17):
I really appreciate all the Pagani stuff and the
Conan Zigs.

Speaker 2 (02:07:20):
See this guy, Mine is a Huayra.

Speaker 3 (02:07:24):
Yeah, the design.
That's the thing too withsupercars.
People don't understand.
I don't necessarily love themfor their statistics, but their
design.
They have amazing design.
I can look at Lambos andFerraris and everything above
that, but I can grasp the design.
They are all dude, so Paganiand Conan Sig.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
Yeah, the Huayra to me, with the outside sleekness
but the inside vintage slashcockpit style with the billet.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:56):
Yeah, that's it that's it, dude, what kind of
super car would I get or a?
Hyper car.
No, I could agree, I'd agreewith you guys, but honestly,
like I'm still like I will goback and say, like I don't need
a hyper car anymore, like Ireally want my station wagon,
that's fast, yeah I just, whatabout just that guy?

Speaker 3 (02:08:16):
what about old supercars?
If you guys could have an oldsupercar, what would you have?

Speaker 2 (02:08:21):
uh old supercar at 40 reference okay at 40 I would
take a clk gtr yeah, super rare,super rare I love those cars,
I'm a ferrari guy, though I likethe ferrari, I got to drive one
in vegas and I was like i'm'msold.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
Since I'm well, I used to have an E55.
That's why I'm so into them.
But like I would probably pickMorgans, but if I can't, the
picture on the wall when I was alittle kid was a Lamborghini
Countach.

Speaker 3 (02:08:45):
Have you ever been in one of those.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
Oh, they're so small, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:08:49):
They're pieces of shit too.

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
Yeah, you have to open the door and sit out to
back them up.
Really, I guess I saw one atSEMA and I was like dude, this
is a small-ass car.

Speaker 3 (02:09:01):
Yeah, okay, gtr like back in the 90s or whenever they
did that thing, dude,all-weight, you know mechanical
manual shifter Like dude.
That thing was fucking crazydude.

Speaker 2 (02:09:12):
Okay, so today CTS-V or E63 AMG Black.

Speaker 3 (02:09:23):
I really like the Black Series.
I don't think that you're nottalking about the current Black
Series cars.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
You're talking about the one that came out in 2008,
2006, 2008?

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
The one with the gutted interior.

Speaker 2 (02:09:33):
Yes, yes, yes.
Nine or ten right or somethingaround it.
Yeah, somewhere around theinterior was gutted interior.
Yes, yes, yes, 9 or 10, rightor something around it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:38):
Yeah, somewhere around it they had the C-Class
one, and then they had twodifferent models.
Right, they had the C-Class,which was the more production,
and then they had that like whatwas the coupe one?
Like with the drawn-out frontend and stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:09:54):
Wasn't that the E63 AMG Black.

Speaker 3 (02:10:00):
No, that's just the s class, it's just a pure no sl.
Oh, the sl yeah, okay, and thatwas a black series too, with
the pronounced they also have ablack?

Speaker 2 (02:10:05):
yeah, they also have a black.

Speaker 1 (02:10:06):
I like the c, the c black, though.

Speaker 2 (02:10:08):
Yeah, and you are talking about the one with the
gut interior, right no, uh, it'sstill got interior, but it's
not, uh, it's not like superrace.
It's like don't turn tractioncontrol off race, but it's not
like.
It's not like super race.
It's like don't turn tractioncontrol off race, but it's not
like 65 amg.

Speaker 3 (02:10:21):
Yeah, see, that's it the f1 mclaren, ryan jennings
said for the old super cars thatwould be a sick one.
Oh, I would agree with that.
Yeah, that would be sick too.
I think that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
Oh ryan has a roshan have you seen that car?

Speaker 1 (02:10:35):
I seen that car.
I love that car.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
Yeah, I love that car .
It's a kit car-ish from Europe.
Yeah, it's a bad car.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
Really.

Speaker 2 (02:10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:10:42):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
And he's had one.
He's had it forever and I'vealways wanted it.

Speaker 3 (02:10:45):
Maybe you'll sell it.
Dude That'd be, rad, I'll sellmy 5, I think the Black Series
for sure, just because the DTMstyling on there.
That leaves the imprint dude.
I don't give a fuck about ifit's American or it has more
power or less power, it's justnasty.

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
I just like the CTS-Vs.
I'm just a big Mercedes guy.
I love the Black Series.
I like the AMG Mercedes.
They're pretty dope, but theBlacks I have a.

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
CTS-V.
I just have an older one, butit's just been a.
I've put a lot of money intothat car, yeah well that's what
you pay for with Cadillac.

Speaker 1 (02:11:22):
I don't know if you guys know who Justin Smith at
Shock Therapy is.
He just got a CTS-V and youcan't even He'll go through
tires in a day.
I saw that video you posted,dude, it was fucking scary.
He stood on it like at around80 miles an hour and we just
started going around.

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
I was like, oh, we're dead, yeah it was just insane
dude it was.
It was a cool ass car thoughbut I'm a sucker for a high
horsepower, high luxury.
That's why I like the mercedesblacks.

Speaker 1 (02:11:46):
They're just big luxury guy over here, morgan, I
mean, I appreciate any driverand then, like the gen 3 ctsv is
great, like the 2017s and 18s.

Speaker 3 (02:11:56):
I went and test drove those I was going to get one of
those a while ago and they'regreat.
I rode in one that was heavilymodified, like on flex and
pulleys and stuff, and it was anexperience of like I couldn't
like my stomach and stuff.
It was like a ride at Six Flags.
It gripped so hard.

Speaker 1 (02:12:12):
Yeah, you know, like it was fast.
Yeah, so he just said the w202,uh, dtm cars.
Just think about if it's not adtm car, how cheesy those things
look.
I know my buddy used to haveone of those, his mom.

Speaker 3 (02:12:25):
We called it the e-ticket ride and it had a.
It had a.
You know how they used to havecd changers yeah, I had a
cassette changer what reallyrack like six cassette tapes in
there and it would like floatthrough and you know play which
one you want that's rad.

Speaker 2 (02:12:41):
I've never even heard of that.
That's next level.

Speaker 3 (02:12:44):
It has little windshield wipers for the
headlights.

Speaker 1 (02:12:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, dude , doesn't that car just look
like you just have blown outshocks right in the school?
I could I could go wherever youwant.
With that I could, I could gowherever you want with that?

Speaker 2 (02:12:59):
don't those have uh v12s in them?

Speaker 1 (02:13:01):
I don't think so.
I think those are just standardsixes or eights oh man, it was
really good talk with you,morgan.
I appreciate it.
Uh, it was cool to dive, divedeep and just kind of get to get
to understand what makes youtick dude, like to be honest, I
didn't expect to have mila told,told me he goes.
George, you're going to have alot of similarities to Morgan
and I didn't expect to have asmany as I do, and I really

(02:13:23):
appreciate the mindset that youhave.
Without getting too far intoblowing you, I would just say
the way that you are a leaderand the things that you are
doing to be able to push forwardin an industry that needs help
and to be able to showcase whata person that's creative can
actually do with their life helppeople, help industries, be a

(02:13:45):
family man.
All of these different thingsare very, very refreshing to
hear, dude, and I appreciate youbeing that type of person
motivational well, I appreciatethat I don't, I don't, you know,
see all that myself.

Speaker 3 (02:13:57):
I just I again trying to do the best I can every day,
and I think everybody has upsand downs and hardships and all
that.
And I think there's key thingsyou can do in your life to get
through that stuff that can be asolid foundation, no matter
what, of just not stopping hasbeen so helpful to me, because I
still get dark spots, you know,just mentally, and it's just

(02:14:20):
that thing of just don't stop,no matter what, is so crucial to
me, you know.
So I really appreciate being,you know, sharing time with you
guys, and Mila mentioned so muchabout your story, george, that
I feel like I need to knowthere's a lot to you that I'd
love to invest time intofiguring out and knowing.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
Yeah, one of these days we'll have to get all three
of us left to sit down and gettacos or something.

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
I still owe Morgan.
I bailed out on Morgan at SEMAfor Vic and Anthony's.
I said, hey man, I got steakdinner on me at Vic and
Anthony's and we were going tomeet up and I was so bummed out
with SEMA that I left a dayearly and left him hanging.
Way to go, dick, I know we allgot to get to Vegas and sit and
have a steak dinner and hash itout.

Speaker 3 (02:15:00):
Yeah, that sounds good we have this SEMA, and this
SEMA is going to be prettyspecial for me because of the
Dakar that's going to go andwe're going to have it with Baja
Designs.
I love when the companies areon my level where they're like
dude, bring it however you want,doesn't have to have this, does
just bring it what however youwant, present it however you

(02:15:21):
want, and we want to have itjust like that, and it's their
main car, it's in the main hall,uh, so I'm gonna is that your
first car at sema?
well, no, last year we had okayin there but, it wasn't but it
the only.
The blessing with vivian is Ididn't have to do any legwork of
getting the car there, so I didthe same thing I came with
Taylor and we did a turn andburn.
I walked, I saw everything Ineeded to in one day and I was

(02:15:43):
out of there.
Yeah, and this one is going tobe tricky because we'll have to
be there for the extent.
Roll it in, set it up, be there, you know, take it home.

Speaker 2 (02:16:01):
If there's any advice I can give you for sima it's 90
, not worth it.
But there's always the 10 gems.
Sometimes you got to walkthrough twice.
Sure, those are the 10 I go for.
I don't go for 90 of it.
The 10 you'll find the littlegym in the corner.
That's not in a big booth.
You're like dude, that's abeautiful car yeah, and I get
that.

Speaker 3 (02:16:12):
I think last year I was.
I was really just there to gohey, cool, we got a car and a
booth, let's go take that in fora minute, let's look at people
looking at it and stand back,and we did that and I think what
I could do, just because I'mgoing to have a little more time
, this go-around is network.
With any, you know, there's anaspect of networking that you
can get there and I really wasjust an assassin last time

(02:16:37):
Be-lined it.
It looked at all the cars,quick and dirty, and then left
and I felt fulfilled.
I think this time, now thatthere's there's all this time I
need to be there.
I'm gonna go around andestablish some relationships
with companies that I'd like tosupport and I'd like for them to
support us.
You know, yeah, that's sick dudeget some of that marketing talk
you know and just hey, you likethis there you go, dude I'll

(02:16:58):
tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
You'll feel good when you leave.
Dude, one of my most proudestmoments I've ever had was having
the truck at the toyo booth.
Yeah, it's just a good feeling.

Speaker 1 (02:17:06):
So good for you, thank you yeah, because you get
to showcase your work, man dude,it just feels good when people
stop.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
So you see them walking by and they're like, oh
wait, and then they walk backand they spend time there.

Speaker 3 (02:17:14):
It's just a good feeling I've had I've had that
experience at the off-road expoin the sand sports show for
several years in a row, uh, butthat obviously seems just a
different platform, you know,yeah, it's very interesting
because my brain I'm like dudeis the.
Is the range rover gonna like?

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
is it?

Speaker 3 (02:17:29):
gonna do.
Good, how's it gonna be thisand that?

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
because I, you know, I'm so in my own bubble with the
thing but it's cool because youhave off-road people at the
sand sports and off road expo.
But at sema you have peoplefrom 30 40 different countries
looking at your stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:17:44):
That's the best part yeah, everybody from all kinds
of different walks more than 30or 40 countries all over the
world all right, morgan, thankyou very much I appreciate it.
We'll let you get back to yourfamily and uh, man, it was
really good you guys run thisthing.

Speaker 3 (02:17:56):
Are you going to have this up as a video to watch, or
is this just going to stay live?

Speaker 1 (02:18:01):
No, it'll be uploaded .
So once we finish this, I'llhit the upload button.
We'll put a little comment inthere.
I don't know.
I'll see if I can collaborateon the lives, but if not, you
can look at the link on the DirtLife and we can share it on
your story or whatever, allright.
Well, thank you guys.
What a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
Thank you very much, see you soon later.

Speaker 1 (02:18:21):
Man, that was so cool .

Speaker 2 (02:18:23):
I like I said before, dude, like there was so much to
that interview that well, youtold me before we had it that I
was gonna totally get along withI just think that morgan is a
lot misunderstood in ourindustry and I I find myself
sticking up for him a lotbecause where I come from it's
all racing and and you know,because he's kind of pigeonholed

(02:18:45):
into off-road um, becausethat's where the money is for
him right now and that's thetrucks that he's doing.
He's not really as appreciatedas I think he needs to be.
I feel like I'm more of a carbuilder than a truck like

(02:19:06):
off-road guy in a lot of waysand I see what he does and I
feel like the level he brings in, the mentality, his just I've
talked to morgan a lot and hejust the mentality he has on
life and tackling things, it'skind of like jocko yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:19:16):
I was going to say the humanistic element of the
way that he lives and hismindset is what attracts me the
most to him as a person, andthat's why I thought we would
have a good interview.
Well, he did.
He really did a good job, andthank you guys very much for
joining us and hanging out.
We will post this so you guyscan watch it again later on
Instagram.
I know it's not the bestplatform to do it.
Watch it again later onInstagram.

(02:19:36):
I know it's not the bestplatform to do it.
We probably should do it onYouTube, but anyways, you guys
will still get it.
So we really appreciate it.
Please support all the peoplethat support us.
So thank you very much toeveryone at Maxxis Tires,
everyone at Shock Therapy,evolution, power Sports,
zollinger Racing Products,vision, canopy and Starstream.
We really appreciate you guyswatching.
Thank you to Mila.

(02:19:57):
No, thank you, man, we'rehanging out.
I really enjoy this.
It was cool.
Uh, and obviously massivethanks to Morgan Clark for uh,
you know, setting aside a littlebit of time out of his busy
schedule.
I know that hopefully he'll getto be able to eat dinner and
hang out with his family tonightand thank all you guys.
Yeah, thank you guys Forhanging out with us Until next
time.
This is Dirt Life Show.

(02:20:18):
Deuces.
Thanks for listening to theDirt Life Show.

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
See you next week.
We'll be right back.

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