The DOCTORS' Guide to REVOLUTIONARY Healing with Stem Cells

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
This is the Doctor and the DJ podcast and our guest
today.
Well, here we have Dr CarrieBordinco and I'm John J Van Ness
.
She's the doctor, I'm the DJ.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Not the other way around.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
You run what would you call Benicera Wellness
clinic, wellness center,Wellness center.
Wellness center, an amazingcenter, and I have a radio show.
That's the DJ part, and DrRafael Gonzalez is here.
El Mero Chingon de la Playa is,but I called you earlier behind
.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I didn't know about that one.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I thought maybe that could be the way you get
introduced from now on.
But right, Carrie, we wantedhim to come here because there's
all this stuff about stem cells.
Yes, In the world.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It's everywhere.
We were so excited to get DrGonzalez on the show because
we've had him on a show beforewhen we did a podcast for you.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
For my radio show and it took off.
It's humongous.
It's on YouTube and on theradio show you can podcast it,
download it on Apple andiHeartRadio.
I think one of the first thingsI like to get into which I find
so difficult to explain,because Carrie and I have been
to the clinic to re-health inCancun several times, had stem
cells and NK cells and when Itell people that in the United

(01:24):
States I can't seem to have theproper dumbed down explanation
for why stem cells at ReHealthare different than the stem
cells you can get here in theUnited States I don't have, I
don't know how to answer that.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Well, first off, you can't answer it in 15 seconds
and most people want a 15 secondsoundbite about it and you know
honestly, you have to capturetheir attention for about 30
minutes and say I need to giveyou a level of education.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
So there isn't an elevated response.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
There is not an elevated response to this.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
But actually I think that there is somewhat of an
elevator.
Quick response is the correctstem cells and pure stem cells
you cannot do here in the UnitedStates.
It essentially is growing andpurifying the stem cells.
That is not allowed to do inthe United States versus.
That term is very ambiguous.
With almost any tissue cell,people are telling you they're

(02:16):
giving you stem cells andthey're really not.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
In the United States.
They're telling you they'regiving you stem cells, but
they're not.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I want to interject.
There are clinics in manystates and I'm just going to go
with Arizona, since we're inArizona that say they are able
to give and I'll quote real stemcells like the kind you get in
Mexico, right here in Arizona,and I think that's the elevator
speech John Jay is trying to goafter is how do you help people
understand or vet, because Iwant people to know how to ask

(02:45):
the right questions to be theirown advocate.
So how do you give them theright questions to ask when
they're sitting in front of aprovider or a doctor at that
clinic?
Because unfortunately, a lot ofthose clinics are not run by
doctors, which is interesting initself.
And so when they say no, no, wedo the same thing that ReHealth
does down in Mexico exact sameproduct.
How do no?
We do the same thing thatReHealth does down in Mexico
exact same product.

(03:06):
How do you help them understandthe difference?

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Number one impossible , and I would love to have a
conversation with anybody thatsays that they actually do that.
Number two it's because of themethodology and years of
research that we've actuallydone.
Number two is, I would tell,for the regular individual out
there, when you go somewhere andthey tell you this, question
one is where are they from?
Question two is are they purestem cells that you grew?

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Because anybody could take apiece of this is what they
actually do in the States here.
A piece of tissue, whether it'samniotic tissue, whether it's
placental tissue, whether it'sumbilical cord tissue, and I'm
not kidding you, this stuff goesinto a blender.
It's called the homogenizer.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That sounds disgusting.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
It goes into a blender yeah, it's what it does
Disrupts all the tissue bonds.
They get a puree of it.
Then they may sort out andfilter out some of the little
tiny tissues and this kind ofstuff and there may be some
cells there.
But that process is so rough ontissue you know think of the
umbilical cord you're breakingup a rope.
It's essentially a rope or justtissue in the ready that it

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causes these enzymes in the bodythat are released.
These are DNAs.
There's other ones too thatcause cells to die.
So when you freeze the product,you would freeze it and then
when you thaw it, because of thevitrification process or the
process that happens when yousaw something, the cells just
basically explode.

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Now there may be some factors inthere that have regenerative
properties, but technicallyspeaking there's no real cells.
That is something that's sortof called in the law's eyes in
the united states like ahomologous use, meaning the same
intended use of it or point ofcare, where they're actually
doing it right there on the spot, taking a tissue, breaking it

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up, then infusing it into.
But normally that's done in thecontext of I extract bone
marrow from you, I extract fatfrom you, I do a quick
centrifugation, I isolate and Iput back into you that same day
your own stem cells, your ownstem cells.
Now, even those are once again0.00001% stem cells.

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It's like I've talked aboutthis many times Fishing in a sea
of barracuda that has a millionbarracuda and you're catching
one tuna.
There's one tuna in there.
That's essentially what you'regetting.
There might be regenerativefactors in there.
It might be beneficial, butit's not a true stem cell.
That's one, two.
In the united states you arenot allowed to iv any of this

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stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
that's the biggest difference too, like when we go
to your clinic, we get the iv,you get an iv you get.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
You will get correct, you will get pure stem cells
that have been culture, expanded, have been tested.
One of the biggest issues herein the United States is the
testing that's done on thesetypes of disrupted tissues that
are there, that they have thatthey call stem cells, because
the initial tissue had stemcells.
They believe they can call it.
This is stem cells, but itreally isn't.

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And then for me, being in thissector for over 20 years, it's
bothersome and it sort of hurtsthe industry, because everybody
now has jumping on to try tosell this stuff, to try to tell
you that it's going to cureeverything, yet it doesn't.
It doesn't matter who you are Aton of people, yeah, I've had
stem cells.
It didn't do anything for me.
Well, guess what?

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Maybe it didn't do anything foryou because, number one is it
wasn't right the stems, theright, the correct amount of
stem cells.
Number two, the protocol, themethod of actually doing it,
wasn't the correct method forthat patient, because every
single, every one of us here isdifferent.
Sometimes you just do astraight IV of maybe a hundred
million cells, then 200 millioncells.
The protocol for an autoimmunedisease patient is going to be

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completely different than theprotocol for a longevity patient
than is going to be probablydifferent than the protocol for
a pulmonary fibrosis patient.
It's all different because it'sindividualized when it's done
the correct way for that disease.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
So there's no one size fits all.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
There's no one size fits all.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
And there are no versions of real stem cells that
get the clinical outcomes thatsome of us have seen, the
studies.
I mean there is real healingthat comes through stem cells.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
The problem is in the US once again not getting the
real stem cell.
You cannot extrapolate that tomean I'm going to heal this
process.
But if they went out of countrythen that is a real opportunity
.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So that's when they go to re-health?
Yes, so, but the stem cells atre-health are from where?

Speaker 3 (07:31):
They're from umbilical cord lining.
It's a specific methodologythat we published back in 2010.
We've actually our US entitylicensed the technology to the
people in Mexico.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
And the stem cells in the United States.
They're not from the placentaor they're not from the
umbilical cord.
They're from the placenta mostlikely, right?

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Well, the ones that it depends.
I've seen ones from amnioticyou know, for instance amniotic
fluid.
You'll see that a lot out therenow.
Essentially, a mom has a baby,they do an amniocentesis or
they'll.
They'll basically filter this,freeze it immediately and say

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here's stem cells.
Okay, when it's not stem cells,it's the percentage of stem
cells is really really low.
In that fluid is going to be abunch of antibodies.
There's going to be epithelialcells, other cell types in there
, because the amnion is alsosame as the placenta is loaded
with filter cells which areepithelial cells let's, let's
get get into the miracle of thereal stem cells that you have.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
What have you seen?
What miracles have you seenfrom people?
Or just great stories of peoplegetting your stem cells from
Cancun, from ReHealth, andwhat's happened?
Because I've heard stories.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I haven't.
I mean.
Well, you've seen stories,Right.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I've been a part of Right.
We've seen them firsthand.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
You've seen them firsthand.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I don't call them miracles because they're sort of
a transformation of a qualityof life.
You know, a miracle is somebodythat couldn't walk, that stands
up and then starts walking.
That'll never be the case ofsomebody in the context of a
spinal cord injury, you know.
But if you look at, forinstance that's my one of my
specialty specialties spinalcord injury, If you look at the

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context of an individual that'sin a wheelchair, they're really
not looking to stand up and walkagain, they're looking at their
quality of life of how do Iimprove my bladder function,
which is things that we take forgranted on a daily basis.
How do I improve, Believe it ornot?
There was a survey done on overa thousand patients how do I

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improve my sexual function?
Because that's out the door,you know, once you have a spinal
cord injury.
So they look at those twothings as key, you know,
dictators of improving theirquality of life.
That's what we see with thesort of the baby steps is I
improve bladder function?
I've improved, you know,basically sexual function, Other
ones that you guys have bothseen before.
Patient comes in with anejection fraction of 19, 20, and

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you're talking about somebodythat's relatively exhausted,
can't walk a block.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
We had a case where we sent you a patient with an EF
of 12, or ejection fraction of12%, and I remember the clinic
telling me no, dr Bordenko, youcannot send this patient down
here, he's not stable enough.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
But wait, what is an ejection fracture?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
An ejection fraction is the amount of.
It's a percentage of the amountof blood that your heart pumps
out with each beat.
So to know what 12 means, youhave to know what normal means.
So normal is around 60%.
Okay, so 12 is around 60%.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
So 12 is pretty compromised, 10 is transplant.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Okay, so that gives you your scale.
So the story you were talkingabout, the person, he had a 12?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
He had a 12, and he was denied transplant.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
yes, so you've done a treadmill test, right?
You've done a treadmill testwith a coroner.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Oh, treadmill test, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
So they probably told you, don't worry about it,
you're perfectly fine.
That means you're in that rangethat she talked about.
That's 60%.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh yeah, okay, I've done one before, like 12 minutes
to 11, 12 minutes, somethinglike that you get on the
treadmill, right yeah, so you'reperfectly, that being
essentially a quarter of what itshould actually be.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Now there's not enough blood circulating in the
body, hence a tremendous amountof lowering of oxygen, because,
ultimately, oxygen is life inthe body, oxygenating the brain,
oxygenating the limbs, theouter limbs, everything.
So now you've depleted thatsignificantly.
So think of the individual thatjust getting up, right, just

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getting up, they're tired.
Just walking to the bathroom,yeah just walking to the
bathroom they're tired You'llsee individuals that look pale.
They don't look well.
It's that type of individual.
Now just imagine if you tookthat person and you've now
improved his outcome by justwe're talking about improving
the outcome by about 20%, 30%.
They are now into.

(11:48):
That case was actually wentinto, I think, 29.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
We actually just looked at that case yesterday
with cardiology and he's at 30%right now.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Wow, but this is now a person that probably I don't
know.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Who worked out in the gym today.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
I saw him today.
I saw somebody else that heloved playing.
You know his he loved playinggolf, had to stop playing golf.
This guy described having ahard time tying his shoelaces
like just doing that, and thenall of a sudden went, within
days of having this done, tobeing able to tie the shoelaces,
to starting to pay, play asmall amount of golf and then,

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building upon that and we wedescribed building upon that and
we describe building upon thatwe describe things.
That Dr Bordinco does is let'smake a little bit of a lifestyle
.
You're making a sacrifice inyour health.
Make a sacrifice on yourself,invest in yourself.
Eating right, exercising all ofthat comes into play when
you're doing this the right way.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
You can't just get the stem cells and then go back
to the way you were living.
You've got to take care of them.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Take care of them, take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
What about the average healthy person If they
get this treatment at ReHealthin Cancun?
How does it?
Because we were talking aboutan injection fracture of a 12 or
a 13.
Somebody gets sick.
What if you're at 60?

Speaker 2 (13:03):
What if you're normal ?
What if you're at 60?
Yeah, what if?

Speaker 3 (13:04):
you're normal?
Yeah, what if you're normal?
What if you're normal?
So this is what we've seen inthe context of, for instance,
fighters, UFC guys.
Is those individuals describednumber one?
The majority of them come to youbecause of pain, joint issues,
a lot of them, of course, backissues.
What we're seeing is two things.
What we know, based on studies,is what the cells do, the cells

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that we use.
We know they can help controlthe inflammatory response, and
it does this by changing yournormal active pro-inflammatory
response to what's called theregulatory response that
regulates the immune system.
So now we dampen thepro-inflammatory response.
When you think of pain, youthink of inflammation, so it's a

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natural response thattranspires on any given day.
That has to transpire.
The only way you heal is ifthat inflammatory response is
elevated quickly.
Then you get what's called ananti-inflammatory response that
comes in and does the healing.
What happens to us as we getolder, unfortunately, is we have

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a dampened immune response.
It's a really dampenedpro-inflammatory response that
takes a really long time, andthen you don't get the same type
of healing response, thatanti-inflammatory response
that's also dampened.
Think of when you were a kid Ithink we've talked about this
before you fell down on yourskateboard.
You started crying right away.
You're in a ton of pain becauseyou wiped out so bad.

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What happens?
When's the last time you wipedout?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
On a skateboard, not on a skateboard.
I can tell you, a skateboard 10years ago was terrible.
I broke my wrist.
It was terrible.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
But years ago it was terrible.
I broke my wrist.
It was terrible.
But if but did you ever thinkof when it happened?
You know, even though it was 10years ago when it happened, how
much pain were you actually inversus when you were a kid and
you fell down and you screamedand cried because the pain was
exponentially higher, probablymore pain when I was a kid.
Right as an adult, it's less andit's because that inflammatory
response is dulled.

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That's another reason why whichwe can talk about prp after is
the reason why prp came intofruition is it causes a really
strong pro-inflammatory responseplatelet-rich plasma and then
hence it forces a really stronganti-inflammatory response.
Okay, so you get a quickerhealing response.
Right, you know, with it.
That's the concept behind it.
So the cells that we use helpcontrol the inflammatory

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response.
That's one.
Two is we have evidence that itreleases a specific growth
factor that increases blood flow.
There's probably nothing moreimportant than that, because
when we discuss that, we talkabout oxygenation to vital
organs, there's a ton of studiesthat actually show, for
instance, individuals that haveperipheral artery disease it's a
simply think of of a stroke ora heart attack of a limb, where

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there's an occlusion in an area,and now normally the body's
response would be to form what'scalled anastomosis or bridging,
meaning new, new trees, new,new, new vasculature grows
around it to try to bridge thatgap.
When you use stem cells,there's evidence that you can
bridge that gap, but what doesthat mean is, essentially, I'm
causing more increased bloodflow.

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For those of us that areworried about our heart, worried
about heart conditions, worried, about blockages our brain, all
of that.
You need that.
That's sort of like a naturalresponse, but as you age that
response is dampenedsignificantly that the body
finds ways to naturally healitself.
This is another method ofhelping the body naturally heal
itself.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
So if you are a typical person and you get these
stem cells, the stem cellsyou're talking about, from
cancun, from rehelp, um, how doyou feel like?
For me, I feel like I'moperating at a different level,
but I can't explain it properly,so I don't know if there's a
medical explanation for that Ithink we have a medical speak
between all of us who've done itbecause we actually understand

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what we're trying to say, andthere's no words for it yes
explain it.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
I I've used different things, like you.
When I told you the very firsttime I came back, I said it felt
like it was defined gravity yesand I didn't know how else to
say it until you experienced andyou're like I get it I get the
weight of the world is notpushing down on you anymore and
I feel sometimes that I'm likeman.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
What if I didn't get these stem cells?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I know that's the fear factor.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Yeah, I think like, for instance, in the context of
and you guys have described thistoo is what I've seen is, for
instance, performance.
The performance will go toanother level and it makes sense
because you've dampened thatinflammatory response and you've
increased blood to the vitalorgans.
So what we've seen, what we'veconsistently seen in individuals

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, that the fighters, the ufcfighters, this kind of stuff, is
that a lot of them willdescribe, you know, my versa
timer, my versa climber, thetiming of it.
I'm doing it much harder, muchfaster.
Right, my time between rounds,recovery time between rounds, is
shorter, so I'm ready to goquicker and this is what you see
.
And going back to the gentlemanthat I told you earlier, that

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you know, couldn't tie his shoes, the craziest thing about it,
and if you think of this thisgentleman talked about, you guys
have changed my life.
I'm playing golf again, but theinteresting thing is I'm 65
years old, I haven't had sex infive years and I woke up with a
spontaneous erection thismorning.
This was like a week after, andthis gentleman told me that.

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And he's like, and if I justhad to do it for that I would be
the happiest man in the planet,because think of the penis it's
blood flow to the penis.
Right is what it is for this totranspire.
I'm a big fan of spontaneouserections.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
We all are at our age yes, sounds like a name of a
band Next on stage spontaneousdirection.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
So I think it's really.
It is challenging to try andtell someone what you're going
to, what to anticipate, and Ialways tell people don't
anticipate anything, go for thejourney, because I think all of
us walk away with somethingdifferent when we do this.
We don't know necessarily wherethe weak link is in the armor,

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and it does seem to try and findits way into that area
sometimes.
So you don't know if recoveryis going to be better, you're
going to be able to do moretraining, you know less recovery
between workouts or lift better, or you know anything like that
.
Some people notice their skinchanges.
Some people notice their hairchanges.
I've had guys come back and go.
I've done Propecia and allthese hair treatments for years

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and nothing worked.
And now all of a sudden I'mgetting more hair back.
What's going on there?
So it's such a variety of howyou can benefit.
But one of the things I want toask is you talked about
increased blood flow.
You talked about the kind ofsome of the conditions that it
helps.
We didn't really line those out.
But what about people who can'tgo?
Is there a type of individualthat this would not be positive

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for?
I'm thinking kind of along thelines of cancer.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Absolutely cancer.
People have had a previoushistory of cancer.
Because the problem is youmight ignite something that you
don't want to.
You don't want to increaseblood flow.
If you look at cancer, canceris something that consumes all
your nutrients.
It's that cell that basicallyneeds the nutrients, consumes
the nutrients, especially in you.
Look at tumors.
You look at, you know the shapeof tumors.
If you've seen biopsy tumors,they're loaded with you know

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vasculature around them toconsume all the energy, all the
nutrients.
So we you'd avoid that.
That's one Somebody that'simmunosuppressed we'd be
cautious with because there's aconcern.
Somebody that's had a ton oftrouble with a lot of viruses
we'd be concerned because it's achallenged immune system.
We don't want to.

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We'd have to be really, reallycautious and we talk about doing
something different, possiblylike NK cells, natural killer
cells.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
And that's where I was kind of going with this.
So stem cells aren't the be-allfor everything no, absolutely,
but there are other solutionsdown in cancun.
If you're the person whose stemcells aren't right for then,
there's something called nkcells john jay's done nks I have
not yet.
But, um, can you give us more?
That's something you don't heartouted around clinics in the US

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, so they don't seem to betrying to promote that.
What is an NK cell?
Why would we want to thinkabout an NK?
Obviously, cancer and immunesuppressed, we just kind of
talked about might be theperfect candidates.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Yeah, so you look at natural killer cells.
It's part of what's called theinnate response or the initial
response.
In your body you walk aroundwith anywhere from about one to
two billion of them on a dailybasis.
They turn over around every 28days.
You know.
They age, turn over your blood.
Your bone marrow has tonaturally produce them again and
they're in charge of threethings in your body.

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They're in charge of a mutatedcell, the first responder to a
mutated cell, the firstresponder to a virus, and then
they're a first responder towhat we focus on, which is a
senesce cell.
It's a zombie cell.
A lot of people hearing thatterm now.
Zombie cell, now a lot more,because there's a significant
amount of evidence that thissenescence it's essentially a

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cell that has only a finiteamount of divisions.
Every cell in your body onlydivides a certain amount of
times.
It's done dividing.
You're old.
This is what causes aneurodegenerative disease.
This is what causescardiovascular disease, and now
there's evidence that originallyit was thought that that's the
natural mechanism in your bodyto stop proliferation of cancer,

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but now there's evidenceactually to the contrary that
these senescent cells, these agecells that just occupy space.
They release havoc and releasefactors that can cause mutations
and cause cancer.
So this is what our focus is isto remove those age old cells.
We published a paper at the endof 2022 looking at specifically

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at removal of these zombiecells and we showed clear
evidence relatively clearevidence that you can you know,
small patient group need largerstudies but showing that we can
remove this senescence from yourimmune system.
So what does that mean?
You removed, you know, thesenescence, these old zombie
cells from the body.
You've now forced the body todo some form of a healing

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response, the signals there.
Remember, the body walks aroundwith a certain amount of cells
on a regular basis Every singleday.
You turn over about 330 billion, naturally, which is pretty
crazy.
Think about this 330 billioncells turn over in your body
every single day, mostly redblood cells, but the other
majority of them are cells thatare proliferated a lot and there

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has to be a homeostasis or abalance on a consistent basis.
So if you lose cells, you haveto gain new cells back and the
other thing like, for instance,we know if the signaling cues
are not there to base, basicallyto make that change, there is
no change.
Simple example of this is andthere's articles of scientific

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articles on this.
Heart failure patients heartfailure patients, believe it or
not walk around with morecirculating stem cells than
somebody.
That's relatively healthy.
And if you think about that,what is that?
The body's trying to healsomething, but the signal is not
there.
The correct signal is not there.
Maybe if you remove somethingor did something different, then

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those stem cells can naturallyheal.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Wait, so the NK cells then I'm just trying to
understand and translate thisback.
Yes, so the NK cells.
You put them in and theyessentially eat or get rid of
the zombie cells.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
So that just leaves good cells.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
That makes your own body produce brand new good
cells.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
But then when you get the NK cells put in your body,
they only last 28 days.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
The new ones, the new ones last up to 28 days, based
on what we know.
But what they're doing isremoving, and the same thing as
a stem cell.
Everybody thinks the stem cellwill regenerate, an organ will
be there, will change into aparticular cell type.
It does not do that.
There's a significant amount ofevidence that that's not what
it does.
For instance, you do an IV oflet's talk about stem cells or

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NK cells.
Nk cells are smaller than stemcells, so they can go into
circulation a lot better.
But a stem cell, a good stemcell, is probably in the range
of about 11 to 15 microns.
An older stem cell.
If I pulled a stem cell fromeither one of us three and I
start growing this up our stemcells would probably be in the
16 to 20 micron range.
It's almost double the size ofthese smaller, younger, naive

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ones that are a lot more potent,release a lot more of the right
factors.
Do that those.
When you do an IV, as soon asyou immediately Circulation goes
almost 200 miles an hourimmediately to the lungs.
They get trapped in the lungs.
They're trapped in the lungsand what transpires just like
every cell in your body on adaily basis, is saying I want to

(25:42):
survive, I don't want to die.
Same exact concept as when youfast.
It's a different conversation,but it's the same exact concept.
So your body, your cells, say Idon't want to die, I don't want
to.
You know, nobody wants to die.
Believe it or not, the cells inyour body do not want to die.
So what do they do is they tryto basically understand the

(26:04):
niche, the area that they're in,and they basically start
communicating with each other,which transpires in every cell
on your body.
They communicate with eachother by releasing factors that
are necessary in thatenvironment.
Then those factors are muchsmaller, a fraction of the size.
These are growth factors, theseare exosomes, these bioactive

(26:27):
nanoparticles that can nowcirculate in the system and make
a change in whatever, let's say, in your lungs, in your heart,
in your vasculature.
Make that change by releasingthat factor.
Simple fact, a simple thing isthink of what we talked about,
the heart failure.
How is it that you do this andyou've increased blood flow?

(26:48):
Well, the most likelyexplanation, and based on
studies, is you've increasedthis growth factor called
vascular endothelial growthfactor that now binds the lining
of a vessel, that causessprouting of new vasculature to
transpire.
Without that signal it wouldn'thappen.
It's not remember.

(27:08):
It's not necessarily the cellper se itself that's changing,
it's the factors that werereleased that causes a change in
your own body.
So you're essentially,endogenously, your body's,
healing itself with the help ofthe cell, but for 28 days.
In the context of NK, no,because once you've made a
change, you've made a changerelatively long-term change.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Okay, but the cells are out of your body in 28 days,
the nk cells are out of your.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
They're pretty much removed, eliminated.
They did the work, they did thework and then they're gone, and
so how often do you recommendthe stem?
Cell the same thing, but howoften should you get nk cells?
Nk cells are, based on thestudies that we've done, is
anywhere from six months to ayear.
If you you do it morefrequently and you'll look at
the studies we did when we did arepeat cohort it lasts longer,

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so meaning those zombie cellsare removed for a longer period
of time.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
But if somebody got stem cells, if they go to Cancun
to re-health and they get stemcells, they're like I only need
to do this one time for the next10 years.
I'm good, Probably not years.
I'm good, Probably not, no, no.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
They'll probably feel better.
I mean, it's got to be somesort of like you will have an
improvement and normally peopledescribe the first treatment
having a much larger improvementthan the sequential treatments.
But it depends on how far outyou go in between treatments.
It just depends, but it's it's.
It's like, um, it's like youhave a headache and you take a
Tylenol and that initialresponse is relatively profound.

(28:36):
If you're somebody that takes aTylenol because you have a
headache every single day, it'snot going to be as effective.
That's one.
Two is we talk about regularlyis you better make a change?
You better make a change inyour lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
We're talking about lifestyle changes.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, you better make those changes, otherwise, you
know.
That's why the difference withus too, is if you're a patient
that comes to me with pulmonaryfibrosis or discusses with
pulmonary fibrosis, COPD, anyform of lung issues, and you're
smoking and you're not willingto quit smoking, don't.
I don't care how much money youhave.
Do not waste our time, do notwaste our effort.
There's a lifestyle change thatneeds to happen there and that

(29:11):
happens straight across theboard.
It's individuals that quitedon't understand.
Autoimmune diseases are on therise, you know.
Granted, the immune system ischallenged on a daily basis, and
I talk about this a lot.
And if you're not looking atthe key little things that
you're doing daily your diet,which is number one
supplementation.
You're taking exercise regimen.
Are you doing it the right way?

(29:32):
Is it specific for you?
You're not going to helpyourself.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
It's not going to last as long.
I met a guy actually at herclinic and we talked about this
a while ago, him and I, and thenI talked to his wife about it
just last week that he had someheart problems because of COVID
and he went to get stem cellsand fixed it Like that, yeah, I
think I mean with COVID.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
there's been documented myocarditis,
pericarditis, which areinflammation of areas around the
tissues of the heart.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Oh, so the stem cells get rid of inflammation.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
And so it's addressing the inflammatory
response.
So when you think about it, Imean all we do in traditional
medicine is throw steroids at it, because that's the only thing
we have, Maybe even long-termsteroids in cases like that.
So, taking a much more I'mgoing to call stem cells a
natural approach because Ireally do think of it more that
way to addressing thatinflammatory response that
happened around the heartbecause of a virus.

(30:27):
Yeah, it has great outcomes.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, I mean we have individuals that have been on
your standard autoimmunepatients.
We know it works well inautoimmune diseases that have
been your standard medicationsthat are out there that you're
seeing commercials on crazy thatsuppress your entire immune
system, your TNF alphas that runsecondary risks associated with
it.
Yeah, crazy amount of secondaryrisk with them associated with
it yeah, crazy amount ofsecondary risk with them that we

(30:53):
know that we can regulate theimmune system and we get the
outcome that we're expecting,including individuals that have
been on steroids and theseanti-TNF alphas, and we get them
off of everything.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
My friend who I took.
You met him, both of you methim, mr Ahn, and he said I could
talk about him game changerwith his life.
The guy has a whole different.
He's been twice now.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
And remind everybody how old Mr Ahn is.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
I think he just turned 80.
And he had chronic back painfor 15 years.
The last five years was, I mean, he couldn't even walk and he
told me he was going to go haveback surgery and I said, wait,
come with me to Cancun, comewith me to ReHealth.
And he I'll never forget thisit was like he did the stem
cells that night, had a roughnight and the next day he was

(31:39):
like a 15 year old ballerina,right.
And then here we are, two yearslater and he's the same Like he
is, like a 15 year oldballerina.
He's relaxed, he's got nopressure, he feels amazing.
Every time I see him he thanksme for introducing him to you
guys.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
Well they treat it with him.
One of the other issues, forinstance, here in the United
States if you're not treatingthe system, you're not doing it
justice, because anybody past 40years of age is going to have
some form of a stronginflammatory response.
If you have a knee issue,you've got some form of
osteoarthritis, which is asystemic issue that's direct
targeting the specific joints.

(32:16):
If you're not dealing with thesystem, then dealing with
locally, you're doing yourselfan injustice.
If you're just going to get astem cell, yes, you might get an
improvement temporarily, butessentially you're going to go
back relatively quickly havingan issue.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
So you're saying injecting it directly into the
joint or the back in Mr Ahn'scase?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Mr Ahn's case.
He got injections into it.
He got a systemic injection,but he got and systemic meaning
the IV form that goes throughoutthe entire body.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
And you say you have to.
Really it's a two-prongapproach.
Yes, you have to hit both sidesof it.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
You have to hit both sides of it.
Yep, and he got many injectionsin his.
The concept behind that issimple.
There is, you know, people lookat.
For instance, you'll look at anMRI sometimes and somebody will
say I have no back pain andI've seen these before.
Um, you know, I have no backpain and you'll look at that MRI
and you're like your back'sdestroyed all the time.

(33:06):
And then you've seen these two,and then you'll look at an
individual that tells you oh myGod, I can barely walk and I'm
in pain.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
The facet's a little off.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
It's a fairly normal scan, yeah, and you don't see
that much, but these guys are ina crazy amount of pain.
But then you try to target justone thing in the spine and it's
actually, if you think of it,it's the wrong approach, because
fixing one just, for instance,fixing just a herniated disc,
when that disc has beencompromised for a long time,
you've now thrown all theligaments out of whack in the

(33:39):
area, and there's a lot of themin that area.
You've now thrown the facetsmost likely, which is basically
the shock absorbers on the sideof the spine, out of whack too
and possibly causingdegeneration of that.
If you're not targeting theentire area, trying to help heal
those tendons, heal thoseligaments, heal that facet,

(34:00):
without even touching that disc,you'll be surprised the benefit
that you can do in a spine,which is what we've seen
regularly.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
What about for eyesight and hearing.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I haven't.
Anecdotally, I've heard a lotof people saying, hey, my
eyesight's improved.
I know, for instance, mepersonally.
My eyesight has not gottenworse.
It's actually gotten a littlebit better throughout the years.
But I'm more of the proactiveof not using glasses.
Nothing against optometrists,not even readers.
I have to sometimes so I don'tget a headache, but otherwise I

(34:34):
avoid them because I think youweaken the eye.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yeah, but that was something I noticed personally
too.
It's like I said, we don't getto pick what it fixes, and that
was one of the things that.
I started using readers aboutnine years ago and I haven't
used readers for the last twoyears or driving glasses, so I
use both.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
When you say you can't pick, essentially if I was
just to kind of dumb this downDriving glasses, so I use both.
When you say you can't pick,essentially if I was just to
kind of dumb this down, notbecause you guys are like
doctors and big words.
If you get stem cells fromre-health they don't know what
they are yet right, so you putthem in your body and do these
kind of go places, they justkind of go oh man, maybe go here
, maybe go here, let me figure.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
Oh man, check this out, this heart's congested.
Remember one place, like whenwe did our mice study, mostly
the lungs.
And then from the lungs,believe it or not, some were
sequestered, meaning theytraveled because they can smash
and travel in between thevasculature.
And then they've traveled A lotof them.
In the mouse study showed thatthey traveled actually to the
gonads, so the sexual organs,and then some of them actually

(35:32):
travel to the brain.
Very, very few.
But the interesting thing isthere's a significant amount of
evidence that inside the lungthere's a cell called a
macrophage.
It's part of that immediateimmune response.
A phage is a cell thatbasically eats and it's a larger
cell that eats mostly bacteria.

(35:52):
It works directly with bacteria.
That's why there's so many ofthem in the lungs, because
there's a lot of bacteria in thelungs and they are of the
pro-inflammatory type.
When these go into the lung,the stem cells go into the lung.
Those macrophages are in there.
When the stem cells start todie, something has to remove it.
Your immune system is in chargeof clearing, clearing what you
have inside of you.
These macrophages now pickthese up and the macrophage

(36:16):
changes from a pro-inflammatoryone to a healing,
anti-inflammatory one.
So here we go again with yourown system, sort of doing the
correct response, doing thehealing, doing everything that's
needed.
How about hair growth?
I mean I've heard, anecdotally,some people talk about.
I wish it would work on me.
It hasn't worked on me, but Ithink there's many things in
play.
You know, with that, in thecontext of skin, what you just

(36:39):
said, described straight acrossthe board people describe
flushing, plumper skin, and itmakes sense I'm actually talking
about that in two days is thebasically the complex system of
you know the skin is actually aphysical barrier.
The skin is part of your immunesystem and the skin there's a

(37:00):
ton of immune cells that areintegrated right below that big,
most important layer, which isa fibroblast that forms a 3d
matrix that we actually live in.
So the immune system is theskin is part of the immune
system, and those that get thisdone look better, have less
wrinkles, more plumping.
They just look somewhatrejuvenated.

(37:21):
I can't explain why.
I can't really pinpoint itbecause we're not doing studies
on skin.
Yeah, you can't really saythat's the miracle.
It's most likely the increaseof the blood flow which makes
sense.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
I think it's the stem cells.
And then now you want to takecare of them.
Like we said, change your life.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
It helps.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So you start getting like collagen in the skin.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
You start getting healthier, you start getting
right, yep, and that's the otherthing I was going to talk about
, because people don't spendenough time discussing the one
word that you just said iscollagen.
Collagen is, you know, thecollagen that's produced in the
skin, which is collagen 1, 3, isthe most abundant protein in
our body.
It's basically these cellsproduce this.
It's a 3D somewhat, that welive in.

(38:02):
The second one it's not aprotein, but it's a proteoglycan
is hyaluronic acid.
Hyaluronic acid is what youfind in joints.
It's what causes thelubrication in joints.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
They're used in women's cosmetics everywhere.
A ton, yeah, and so is collagen.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
And these are the basically the building blocks of
everything cellular, the numberone building blocks of
everything cellular.
But guess what?
These cells produce it,especially in an umbilical cord
the umbilical cord, if you lookat that thing, people talk about
this Wharton's jelly.
This Wharton's jelly isbasically that rope-like, the

(38:35):
inside of that rope-likestructure that contains a
particular stem cell.
But, most importantly, thestructure that makes it hard is
hyaluronic acid and collagen innature.
So the cells that are in therehave to produce it to protect
the vasculature that's in there,your shirt says Juvex Q, juvex
O, juvex O.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
Okay, so what is Juvex O?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Fantastic question.
Juvex O is a topical cosmeticproduct that we've developed
that is obtained from the stemcells that we actually use.
It's a product that just youapply topically.
It contains collagen,hyaluronic acid, naturally
produced from the cells.
We sort of coerce the cells tosecrete out what we want for the

(39:21):
3d matrix to help heal skin,help skin look better, so, and
it contains these bioactivemolecules called exosomes.
Exosomes are basically one1000thth the size of a cell.
Every single cell in your bodyhas produces an exosome.
So we talked about cancerearlier.
Cancer cells produce cancerexosomes that cause more cancer.

(39:43):
So every cell in the body.
If you think of what transpireslong-term communication in
hormones, it's similar to anexosome where communication
happens from, you know, let'ssay, the pituitary gland all the
way down to the testes fortestosterone, something you know
, something like that.
It's a protective mechanismthat a signal can get from one
location to another location,and it's something bioactive.

(40:05):
It can have lipids in it.
But your product is a cream,it's a serum.
Product is a cream, it's justit's.
It's a serum.
It's a serum that we use in thecontext of following a
non-invasive procedure like amicroneedling, co2 fractured
laser electroporation, any oneof those devices where you do a

(40:26):
little bit of, you know,basically a, an injury to the
skin, to help healing.
It helps heal quicker and ithelps basically the appearance
of skin.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Yeah, because I did the micro noodling.
Um, and they, and they, right,they cut up your head and
everything.
They rub the exosomes in yourface.
Yeah, right, and that's theserum you have, like that.
But your, why is yoursdifferent and better than the
other?
Mine?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
is because we've actually we've actually coerced
forced the cells to secrete outhigh molecular weight HA, which
is better than low molecularweight HA, and then also,
collagen is specifically forskin.
It's not like you took thisfrom you know people talk about.
The other thing we talk aboutis what's different from one
cell and one cell to the other.
Stem cell is.
Every baby is born differently.

(41:09):
The ones that we have are fromthree donors and that's it.
The one that we use now is onlyfrom one donor that we
reproduce these cells.
We've done all the testing, allthe genetic testing on it.
We've done the age testing onit, how old they are.
We know they're that of about15 years of biological age.
Everybody wants to have skin of15 years of biological age.

(41:30):
They're in that range and theyrelease the factors that are
necessary for skin.
We basically fed them aspecific way.
It's funny because one of mycolleagues described he's like
wow, that's sort of crazy, whatyou do is because what you guys
are doing and you guys shouldchange your name to the hormetic

(41:53):
company hormetic yeah, thehormetic or the hormesis company
.
I don't know if you guys knowwhat your name to the Hormetic
Company Hormetic, yeah, theHormetic or the Hormesis Company
.
I don't know if you guys knowwhat.
You know what Hormesis is?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
basically, I know what Hormel is Hormel Chili.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So Hormesis is and you do this actually, john Jay,
daily is when you basicallycause a physical stress in your
body to cause a positiveresponse.
Why do you get into yourinfrared sauna?
Why do you do a cold plungedaily?

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Because I heard it's good for you and the people I
trust.
Like her say, do it.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
And you feel better.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
I do feel better, Immediately actually, with the
cold plunge.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Well, yeah, it wakes you the hell up, that's for sure
, by the way, I feel like I wasway ahead of the Cold Plunge
game.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
I was doing Cold Plunge in 2007,.
Right, that's true.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Now it's everywhere.
Now it is everywhere.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
So I feel way ahead, and I feel that way with stem
cells too, because stem cells westarted doing it.
When I first went to do stemcells with her at your place two
years ago, I kind of washearing about we have a, it's a
company in in in miami, out ofmiami but if someone's watching

(42:59):
this they're like I want to getthat serum.
Can the normal person direct?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
to consumer?
No, it's only direct tophysician oh really physicians,
you'd have to go and say hey, Iwant you to use juvexo but why
would someone need it?

Speaker 1 (43:09):
their skin acne breakout if?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
they want to do enhancement of the skin, help
appearance, they would just goto.
You know the doctor uses it inconjunction with other you know
other thing, modalities, like wesaid, electroporation, anything
that can help open up the pores, that can penetrate it, or
trauma or anything like thatthat can penetrate into the skin
.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
By the way, you were on Gary Brekker's podcast not
that long ago and I just want tosay that we had you on our
podcast way before he did.
So I want someone to go oh,that's the guy who was on Gary
Brekker's podcast.
True, but we had you beforethat a long time ago.
Can we bring Carly?
Can you come up here?
Can you say my friend CarlyKlein is here.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
I have been wanting to meet you for a very long time
.
We both run so busy.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yes, I know we have to do a podcast to meet.
It's wonderful, yes.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
I know I've been trying for a long time because
she's got the hyperbaricchambers right.
You've got people doing hairtransplants and doing other
things and allopatia and stuffand it's like you could send
people to her.
She's got people that want todo the exosomes or whatever in
the skull right.
Yeah, you can send them to youand you.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
So, there.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
I just wanted to make this case and talk to Carly
about it.

Speaker 4 (44:13):
It's a great connection.
No, I love it and you knowwe've been working with stem
cells, prp, spinning it downmultiple times.
But what we do is we try tofigure out.
What does it do?
Obviously, we know when itworks for the skin, what can we
do for the hair Right?
So then we do clinicals to seemicroscopically how that
inflammation is going down.
We do a lot of epigenetictesting now because we know so

(44:37):
much is coming through the diet,the gut, like you were just
saying.
When I started in hair lossalmost 20 years ago, my average
age was 55 and older.
Now it's 12 to 40.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Wow, that's insane, wow, that's crazy Because
lifestyles have changed?

Speaker 3 (44:52):
It has Like what is that cell phones or what no,
actually it's it's.

Speaker 4 (44:57):
It's crazy because we were talking about even
reproductive.
You know what are kids growingup with in their lap?
An iPad, an iPhone, from thetime that they're a baby and
McDonald's, yes.
And so you've got the EMFfactor.
You have the foods that they'reeating is processed.
All processed 100% yeah so nowtheir immune system is so
depleted by the time thatthey're graduating high school

(45:19):
what they would have had laterin life with androgenetic
alopecia.
They're getting much earlierand much more aggressive.
So we're trying to look at theroot cause, not the symptoms.
So what is all the areas thatwe're getting the inflammation
and then we're trying to combatit topically while we're working
on what's going on in thesystem.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, like you said, you got to address the system
first.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Yeah, you absolutely have to address the system.
And then the gut thing is huge.
I mean I talk about thisregularly is, if you don't have
this right, if you don't havethe gut right, you cannot have
even your brain right?

Speaker 4 (45:51):
You can't yeah Gut feeling right that can't get
feeling right that's where I gotfeeling.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
So how do you get your gut right?

Speaker 3 (45:55):
What do you need for you got to eat.
You got to find it's different.
Everyone you know, like in, forinstance, in in, I've been
asked well, what diet do youfollow?
I said, listen, I don't.
You know, I'm different thanyou, than you, than you.
Right, vegan may work for you,vegetarian may work for somebody
else.
I practice just basicallystress on a regular basis.
I may do a 24-hour fast, I maydo a fast-mimicking diet.

(46:16):
I may just go keto for three,four days.
I try to change it up.
I know no matter what somewherealong the line, it doesn't
matter.
The math is the math.
You've got to caloric restrict.
The only thing that's beenproven for longevity is caloric
restriction.
Well, you'll do a 24-hour fast,just water.
I've done.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I did 72 hours just recently.
You did that.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
It sucked yeah, is that the one where you have the
bone marrow?
You drink the bone.
I drank the first day we drankuh, we drank bone broth.
Yeah, it was.
It was hard, so was there anybenefit to it?

Speaker 2 (46:44):
I mean, I felt great day three and they say you get a
lot of energy from it on dayafter the day three.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
But is that so that it was rough?
The fast eats bad cells thatthe process called autophagy.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
When, essentially, the like we just said, cells
can't divide, cells have there'sno energy, where are we going
to pick up the energy?
The bad stuff is being released, it's being released, and then
your own cells have to pick itup for food, for energy, and
that's called autophagy but Imean I, I want to go.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
You said you touched on this and I really want to
drive this one home is I get thesame question all the time
what's the perfect diet?
What should I be eating?
I go, wait, wait, wait, stop.
Here's the problem witheverything out there is you.
If it's successful for oneperson, you assume it will be
successful for you, and that'snot reality.
We are all different geneticcreatures, so I always say

(47:32):
experiment with a few differentones.
Keep good tracking of how youfeel.
What changes does your bloodchemistry change?
You know?
Are you borderline diabetic?
Do you have high cholesterol,dyslipidemia?
Are those things improving?
Look at that and then whateverresonates with you, whatever you
feel best on, stay with it.
The thing is don't hop aroundbetween diets.
That's where people get introuble that's where you saved

(47:54):
me actually.
Yeah, I mean, I was on everydiet.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
And then she was like two years ago, do this.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Well, you found the right one that's good for you,
right, and that's just it, andwe may be completely different
on the spectrum so you know,fasting does not work for me.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Fasting does not work for some females.
They put a lot of body fat onand they eat up their muscles.
So it's the opposite directionwe want to go.
It works phenomenal for men.
They they put on muscle and eatup fat.
I do not know why, but it'strue.
And so women you know womentend to do better with eating
small high protein meals morefrequently throughout the day.
It helps with their hormonestability, because I think we do

(48:27):
have slightly more hormoneissues than the men do.
I think that once again, you'vegot to go back to figuring out
what your gut feeling is andyour gut health is.
Get that stabilized.
Then go explore a lot of otherthings that you can do for your
body.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
But when you did a 72-hour fast.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
The weird thing about it, johnny was after I did this
and I started thinking aboutthis.
I mean, I'm a scientist and Isaid I don't agree with this
because you start thinking ofthe process that transpires that
probably day two I was goinginto muscle, right.
And when you're 50, I'm 58years old when you're 58 years
old.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
You can't afford that .

Speaker 3 (49:05):
You can't afford exactly, so it's not good for
you.
So I can't see that.
I can see a 24 hour fast whereyou're cleansing and you're
cleaning and you're not becauseyou're going to tap fat, you
know, but you're not going totap muscle.
But I started thinking aboutthis and after I remember the
second day, I was like jitteryas jittery can be, it was
difficult, you know taking somemagnesium, trying to find some
different supplements to getthrough it.

(49:26):
But I started thinking about Iwas like wait a second.
I got to be at some point whereI'm burning muscle and then
there's people talking aboutwhich is even crazier you can go
work out.
I'm like you're crazy.
I went to the gym with my sonthe second night.
I like I was like 120 pounds,like oh my God, and I got.
I was like after like one setand I was like I'm done.
I was just watching my son workout.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Well, did you do any kind of like trial tests or on
yourself, like this is the way Iam before.
I do this 72 hours.
Now it's after.
I'm going to get my blood workor something to see if there was
a body composition would be thething you would look at.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Well what I?
The only thing I did do is Idid?
You know I have.
I tested my ketosis.
I looked at my blood labsbefore and after and the
craziest thing about it is thatpeople talk about and they run
blood labs.
Um, you know, people run bloodlabs and they talk about you
need to do blood labs on a fast.
When you do blood labs on afast, and unfortunately you have

(50:19):
to do this for blood glucose Ifyou fasted 14, 16 hours, I can
guarantee you that the bloodwork on that 14 to 16 hour fast
is not going to be the same asthat blood work the day before.
It's not, and I've proven thistheory.
Are you talking aboutgluconeogenesis, just like
everything, your cholesterol,all of it, I mean.

(50:41):
So I normally run cholesterollevels, just total cholesterol
levels of about 200, just righton that sort of on that board or
a little bit high.
I think we've talked about thisbefore.
Actually, we talked about thisa while ago and if I do a daily
blood labs based on my regulardiet, just doing it without
checking, this is where I runwhen I go on a fast.

(51:01):
If I fast for over 16 hours, Igo pretty quickly because I do
intermittent fasting intoketosis.
I go relatively quick intoketosis.
I always test ketosis and mycholesterol normalizes.
But, granted, if I were to eaton a regular basis and I would
do my blood lab in the middle ofthe day, my cholesterol would
be elevated.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
So as I look at, everything I'm doing so.
I've done the stem cells, nkcells.
Carrie has me doing a fast.
I watch what I eat, I count mycalories, I sauna, I cold plunge
and this is the first time inmy life I think my blood work is
the best it's ever been.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Yeah, that's true.
Ever His cholesterolpre-diabetes markers incredibly
strong, very normal, veryhealthy.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
But ultimately the biggest change of what you put
in your mouth, I bet.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
The caloric restriction was a real game
changer.
Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Wait now the carly's here.
We just touched on a word thatwe just touched on.
I want to ask you can stemcells help you or help somebody
with alopecia?
Yeah, they can, it's kind ofstem cells.

Speaker 4 (52:04):
Yes With.
It depends on what type ofalopecia.
So do they have androgeneticalopecia?
Um, I don't know how it's doingwith even likeichen planus or
any of the scarring types.
I'm sure it brings down theinflammation around there, but
it definitely can help withandrogenetic alopecia.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
That's the main one that I would say you treat down
at ReHealth that I've seentreated.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Have you seen alopecia treated there?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I have.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
Yeah, they actually have a really cool little gun
that they shoot like 50injections injections into the
top of the scalp oh wow, they'lldo cells in the scalp and it
just for alopecia, you lose allyour hair, right, or is that
totalis?

Speaker 4 (52:42):
so.
So that's totalis oruniversalis.
But if you're doingandrogenetic alopecia, really
what's happening is a vascularthe, the blood vessels are kind
of shriveling up, not feedingand giving the nutrients to the
follicle, and so the hair isjust miniaturizing, it's getting
finer and finer.
So when you're doing exosomes,you're you know, like you said,
it's signaling right where thebody needs to get the nutrition

(53:05):
and it's starting to reversethat.
It's just that you have tocontinue to get that so that it
doesn't go back to, because yourbody is genetic it wants to go
ahead and kill those hairs.
So by doing the exosomes itreally allows to boost that hair
to grow and start to reverse.
But our body's going to want togo after it again.
So that's where you have to dosomething ongoing but if you
have totalis totalis oruniversalis no one knows it's

(53:29):
not going to work.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah is that the same process that happens with
females.
When I call it menopause hair Idon't have a better term for it
but the character, the, thecaliber of the hair changes.
It becomes more friable.
Yeah, as they go throughhormone or perimenopause or
menopause.
Is that the same process?

Speaker 4 (53:45):
so is men's hair loss and female pattern.
Hair loss is really the samedisease and when you look at men
they progress to baldness a lotof times, whereas women just go
diffuse and a lot of times wethink, oh, it's, you know,
menopause or it's stress.
But if they have that patternwhere it's just the part is

(54:06):
getting wider and wider, then weknow it's that androgenetic
alopecia, so we would treat itthe same.
And so we have found that, youknow, even postmenopausal really
until we get into our lateseventies is when senile
salopecia, just from gettingolder.
But we have a lot of women whoare postmenopausal that have a
lot of hair.
But if you're postmenopausal andyou're taking testosterone,

(54:28):
then you're creating more HT,which is what's going to affect
the hair loss.
And that's what we have a lotof problems with.
Is not that hormones are bad.
We want people to be onhormones.
You've got to get ontestosterone, be at an optimal
level.
But what are we doing if it'sbreaking down a little bit into
that DHT to combat it?
Because we'll see men who willlose the majority of their hair

(54:50):
in one to two years becausethey're at these levels?
If they took a pill while theywere doing it, we wouldn't have
that problem.
But in fact, since COVID, thenumber one Googled procedure is
hair loss Out of Botox anything,because we've seen such a
tremendous amount.
And it's not that COVID causedlong-term hair loss, but it

(55:12):
accelerated that disease, justlike we see in cancer patients
and everything like that.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
You know you brought up testosterone.
How do stem cells work withhormone replacement therapy?
Testosterone for men and forwomen.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I haven't seen any issues with it.
I know many people that do HRThave not had any issues with it,
along with stem cells.
Will it work together and helpyeah together.
I mean, I've seen it has yeah,zero issues with it.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Well, I think there's synergy between hormone
replacement and doing stem cells, because hormone replacement
doesn't really do much forsomeone unless they make
lifestyle changes.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Everything's a lifestyle change.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah, I hate to say, but it really does come back to
that.
And going back to that, we'veactually seen because we tested
many fighters.
Our concern was you're going toget stem cells, they're going
to come back and test you andthen your hormones are elevated,
or whatever they said.
You actually cheat it.
Uh, that's not the case.
It doesn't affect your hormones.
Our stem cells, the stems thatwe've, we've actually done.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
We haven't seen any changes in hormones in all your
levels, in all your years ofbeing a doctor and researcher
with stem cells.
Is there anything you'vechanged your mind on after like
I believe this, I believe this.
Then you've changed your mindon after, like I believe this, I
believe this.
Then you saw the numbers andyou're like, wow, it's not that.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
That's a great question.
I've changed my attitude withwell, I'd probably say in the
context of what we talk aboutdiet and neurological symptoms
and a lot of things, because I'moriginally from the central
nervous system disorders,studying them, and I've somewhat
changed the context of aging,of thinking that you can't, you

(56:48):
know it's a process that can'tbe healed and it's a process
that you're just targeting, youknow, brain, when that's
completely incorrect.
Um, throughout the years, whatI've changed was, for me more
than anything else, is the firmbelief that if you heal the
immune system, you canessentially practically heal

(57:09):
everything.
Um, if you maintain immunehealth, that's one, but all of
it stems down to the gut.
Wow, inflammation when you'reeating the gut.
You know, I always thoughtabout direct, for instance.
I originally came from thespinal cord injury sector, where
we published a paper in 2008,thinking you know, we can make

(57:30):
these people walk.
And then, when I realized howcomplex these injuries are, how
complex the injuries are, howcomplex the central nervous
system is, I had to take a stepback and say what can we do?
And what transpires, you know?
Back then it was all thispromise of we're gonna make
people walk again, we're gonnado all.
It's not that simple, wow, andit's.

(57:51):
It's more of a thing of justtrying to help a little bit and
making the changes, and it'sunderstanding it.
Every everybody's different.
It's more of a thing of justtrying to help a little bit and
making the changes, and it'sunderstanding everybody's
different.
It's really.
I mean, both of you see this ona daily basis with your
practices, and you have to beable to flex and think outside
the box.
You cannot treat one person thesame as you treat the other
person.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Well, let me ask you this, though when you talk about
inflammation in the gut, arethere universal foods that cause
inflammation?

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Well, I think, even to break into this because we
were just talking, theintolerances are a big thing and
so even for our clients, youknow you could be on the best
diet, but if you have anintolerance to kale and you're
eating that every day becauseyou're on a high, your body's
not breaking that down.
You know it takes your immunesystem what 32 hours to process

(58:36):
one bite if you're intolerant toit.
So, finding out what thoseintolerances are, what is
affecting you?
Because it's just like we'vetalked about Nutrafol, viviscal,
all these great products, butif you're not lacking any of
those nutrients or thosesupplements, why are we having
your system having to processthat?
How can we get it?
Yeah, we're talking about doingmore extensive out-of nutrients
or those supplements.
Why?
Why are we having your systemhaving to process that?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
how can we get it?
Yeah, we're talking about doingmore extensive, out of the box
micronutrient testing, lookingat your individual profile for
the foods you eat and whatyou're deficient in, and
replacing only those necessaryso it's not like don't eat
quinoa, don't eat rice no,because that's what it does?

Speaker 1 (59:11):
I stopped eating all that stuff.
That's the individual.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
That's the individuality that we're talking
about.
You really have to find a gooddoctor who's going to sit down
with you and look at you as an Nof 1 and figure out what is
your personal experience.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Yeah, she's my doctor .
Yeah.
I like that the N of 1.
N of 1.
Yeah, n of 1, yeah, I got it.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
The crazy story is, for instance, you and I went
earlier to get a smoothie andyou ordered almond milk.
I ordered coconut milk.
I don't know if you saw that Idid, I did.
And let me tell you, a crazystory is I had testing done and
the thing that came out was Iwas allergic to everything I eat
.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Basically, Of course, of course you build that.
It happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Almonds, avocado, avocado I love avocado, oh my
god um, vanilla, chocolate,strawberries and tuna.
That's what you're allergic to.
That's what came out as I washighly sensitive to.
Okay, I went back and they tellyou eliminate all of it.
Yes, and the weird thing is,during this time frame, I went
through this because I wasn'tfeeling well, I had all these
weird neck issues, spine issues,and I eliminated everything.
I started feeling good and oneday, on a plane, flying I'll

(01:00:23):
never forget flying toGuadalajara, I was starving and
my first introduction was whatdo they do?
You're sitting in businessclass.
They give you the little thingof nuts a bunch of almonds.
I had a bunch of almonds andit's like not even an hour later
my neck hurt me again and I cutout almonds pretty much out of
my diet altogether.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Okay, and I have not had that issue, but you got a
strawberry shake.
Huh, you said strawberries, butI got a strawberry.
Today you got a strawberryshake.
No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
I didn to get me started, but then I ended up
introducing things slowly and Istopped taking almonds again and
I introduced avocados again.
I was fine.
I noticed I am sensitive totuna, even though every once in
a while I'll still eat it, butevery time I noticed, when I
would go back to try to havealmonds, that everybody thinks
almonds are healthy right well,almonds are healthy, but not for
me.
Yeah, not for me exactly that's, and that's.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
This is a whole nother podcast yeah, it is, I'm
obsessed with inflammation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
It is, I do.
I do the inflammation in the inthe photobiomodulation chamber.
I'm always doing inflammation I.
I looked at the foods thatcause inflammation.
I try to eliminate all of themfrom my diet, yeah, but those,
but that's a general statement.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
That's not your inflammation panel that that's a
general statement, and theother thing you have to remember
about that food sensitivitytesting, which I'm a huge fan of
, have been for about 15 years,when we used it in pro athletes
to maximize their performanceand we got their inflammation
levels down.
They perform better is.
It's a moving target.
Your, your immune system pivotsand shifts, and I always

(01:01:50):
everyone, I always, I always setthem down when they say they
want to go down this journey,and I say one thing to them if
your favorite food comes up, areyou going to actually be
willing to not have it?
It's a real question, though,because don't do the test if
you're not going to do somethingabout the result.
And you know, not every timedoes a favorite food come up,
but it does a lot, and I say areyou willing to give it up?

(01:02:10):
Not forever, for six months?
You know we'll try theelimination strategy and figure
it out, but those common foodsthat you eat, your immune system
does tend to create some sortof an inflammatory response or
reaction to them, and then Ialways say the biggest thing to
do is when you reintroduce them,you just can't eat.
Let's say, you ate avocadothree times a week because you

(01:02:30):
really do love it and it's ahealthy fat to have have.
Let's start having avocadotwice a month.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
You'll be able to keep it in your diet yeah, and
and that's exactly what webelieve, because if you sit
there and you eat this all thetime, even if you're getting you
know it once a week, it's goingto really affect you.
We had a, a little hockeyplayer who's 12 years old and
came in and he had huge areas ofalopecia just gone and his

(01:02:56):
family had him on a strict diet.
They did everything by the book.
He'd gone to doctor afterdoctor and when we did a testing
on him he came back and he hadhigh amounts of EMF but he was
very intolerant to whey and hewas getting a protein shake
right before his game and wemade just these adjustments and

(01:03:18):
the foods and the hair came back.
And so a lot of times what wetell people is, when we're
looking at these things, it'sabout even what, nutritionally,
what you're deficient in.
If we can figure out whatyou're actually needing, getting
that through food asorganically as possible is going
to be the best too.
Um, but the emfs have been areally big one radiation, um,

(01:03:43):
flying a lot, um is we'refinding um bluetooth we had I
had an african-american womanwho had nice hair and she just
had almost like a landing stripgone and we tested her and she
was off the scales withbluetooth and we said what are
you around?
And she's like well, I wear apiece every single day a

(01:04:03):
headpiece I don't let my kids dothat right well ear pads.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
They're saying it's bad for you.
I all the time I get so pissedoff at both of them like they're
like what you want me to wear,the wired ones I'm like yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
Yes, go on, go on yeah no bougie.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Yeah.
I wear wired ones pretty muchall the time.
Yeah, because it goes throughthe wires and it's not going
through the skull.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
That's a whole other podcast probably.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I'm telling you, we have a couple lined up here now.
Go ahead, sorry I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
I think what we've really tried to cover is how for
someone, how for a regular,average person who doesn't have
the resources of everybodysitting on this couch to find
out.
You know, how do I get to thereal facts on stem cells?
How do I get to the real facts?
And if you're willing to makethe lifestyle changes, if you're
willing to do what I call theheavy lifting and the hard work,

(01:04:53):
which means, you know, puttinga needle in your arm and giving
you stem cells is easy, right,it's the hard part of you have
to go back home and make changesin your life, in your sleeping
patterns, in your eatingpatterns, exercise, food choices
, all of that.
But you know they do all thosethings right.
They can pick up the phone andcall ReHealth down in.
Cancun and find out moreinformation.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Yeah, what's ReHealth Instagram?
Just ReHealth right OnInstagram.
I think it's ReHealthcom orReHealthcom.
Yeah, rehealth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
Yeah, but ultimately everything we discuss here is
the context of inflammation.
We have a good amount of dataalso on ulcerative colitis, on
Crohn's disease.
That colitis.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
That's the.
What do you call it?
Ulcerative colitis?
That's what our friend hasright, yes, correct.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
And we actually know two other friends who've gone
down there and their disease hasgone in remission after their
stem cell.

Speaker 3 (01:05:43):
Wow, yeah, I'm telling you, and when you heal
this, you heal this too, it'syou know.
You heal the brain.
I think you guys are amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Quite a bit.
We're so grateful that you camehere, today Raphael.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Thank you, guys, for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
So wait, what about Juve?
Oh, you can't get Juve.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Professional distribution only.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
They can go on to juvexocom and look at who
provides it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
What about you, carly ?
National Hair Loss I said theNational Hair Loss Institute,
but it was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
we're walking out it's just National Hair Loss,
but we have it as MedicalAesthetics oh, medical, that's
what the MA is, yeah, so what'sthe website?
National.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
NHLMAcom.
Okay and Benacer and Benacercom.
Benacercom alright, good, soit's a good podcast.
Right, was this good?

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
fantastic, did you like it?
Did you like it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
now we do at the end of the podcast is critique the
podcast.
How was it?
Was it good, was it?

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
good, I just have a question real quick.
You might have already talkedabout this, about Parkinson's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
We did not touch base on Parkinson's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
We didn't touch base on Parkinson's.
We didn't.
But what we have seen isimprovement in gait, individuals
that do an improvement in gaitand individuals' improvement in
writing ability because there'sless tremor.
That's the only thing thatwe've seen.
We've actually we treat.
We've treated a couple peoplethat have come back, probably

(01:07:02):
like every year, year and a half, to get treated, you know,
because essentially theyprogress back um a lot of these.
I don't know if you've seenactually fecal they.
There's some cases of fecaltransplant that have even helped
too.
What transplant?
Changing fecal transplant,fecal Changing microbiome.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
Fecal In.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Parkinson's yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
Well, they do fecal transplant in a disease called C
diff.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
That's approved for that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Yeah, and it's approved for that and that's
been kind of a common treatmentfor failed pharmacological
treatment.
But I have not seen it inParkinson's no.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
What about?
But I have not seen it in.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Parkinson's now.
Yeah well, they've done itexperimentally.

Speaker 3 (01:07:41):
Saunas don't saunas help with Parkinson's?
Infrared saunas I wouldprobably.
I don't know, but I wouldprobably say no because the
problem with all what I've seenstraight across the board with
people with neurodegenerativeAlzheimer's, parkinson's, the
majority of them are completelydehydrated.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
And I don't know if they're not absorbing nutrients,
I think if they're notabsorbing, nutrients, I think,
if they're not absorbing I agreewith you from managing some of
those cases.
It is a malabsorption problem100.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
They're not.
You give them.
It's crazy.
You give them an iv and I'veseen this.
Simple myers or whatever but ifthey drink water they're
dehydrated and they can drinkample water and it doesn't
matter and they're not gettingit, I'll take it one step.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
If you actually infuse water or nutrition into a
G-tube so we bypass the drivefor thirst or whatever and put
it into the gut, it stilldoesn't get absorbed, but IV
does.
So I think you're on tosomething there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
So then would you want to do an IV every day if
you have Parkinson's?
I think, ultimately, if you hadthe resources and very few
people will to have the rightkind of line installed and to
have a nurse available to dothat.
That would be ideal, but it'sprobably not reality.
But have you seen like severecases?

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
of parkinson's.
You said they give an iv andthey're or no.
That depends if somebody'scatatonic, no catatonic,
basically they're frozen.
No, you're not gonna basicallycause anything.
Those individuals.
Now what's known straightacross the board with
neurodegenerative disorders isevery single one of them have a
blood-brain barrier or ablood-spinal barrier.
Compromise Meaning everythingfrom the outside system has
actually gone in and causedissues.

(01:09:03):
This the brain and the spinalcord does not heal itself like
the rest of the body.
And the individual that is ableto stop that compromise and
give it a better chance thatwhat's called plasticity is
going to win a Nobel Prize,which I think the key to that is
probably replenishment, believeit or not.
My theory is endothelial cellsis something that would work

(01:09:25):
well.
It's a different cell type inthe body.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Are they going to patch the blood-brain barrier?
Yeah, it would possibly patchthe blood-brain barrier.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yeah, to seal it as you age, if you've gone through
trauma for instance, you look atfootball players, CTE,
Concussion yeah, thoseindividuals have a compromise of
the blood-spinal barrier, theblood-brain barrier, and the
immune system is now compromised.
This is what I actually studiedin my PhD thesis.
Is following spinal cord injury, the compromise of the immune
system into the central nervoussystem, into the brain, the

(01:09:55):
spinal cord, and there's asignificant amount of evidence
that these pro-inflammatorycells go in there, they wipe
tissue out and then the braincan't heal or the spinal cord
can't heal, so you now have anarea that's void of tissue of
regeneration, you get Swisscheese.
Yep and you get no healing.
If you can stop that compromise, you shouldn't have that issue

(01:10:17):
as bad no help with stem cells.
No, no improvement, nothing notsealing the blood-brain barrier
as far as I know, and I thinkthat's another reason why, for
instance, you give theseindividuals niv because it's
crossing and it helps, and it'snot going to cross.
Maybe when they try to absorbit through the gut, they're
drinking water.
I don't, you know, it's aquestion that I don't know.

(01:10:38):
I wish we can figure that outso carly.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
I you know I asked her to come here because I
wanted you guys to meet all ofyou guys.
But now because I know youlisten to some of the stuff
about the actual stem cells incancun, the stuff that we were
doing there, does any of that?

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
we're coming, but what I'm really excited about
really is my, you know, I have afamily member who just was
actually in one week, two familymembers that were just
diagnosed with parkinson's,really because of their symptoms
, and they're doing all of thesetests, um, going to hogue and
going all over and to me, ifwe're, if we're looking at this,

(01:11:12):
I think, doing stem cells,while they're not really bad
Early stages, the early stages,where they're just getting that
this could be really, reallyhuge, because I'm hearing this
more and more, where people arelike we haven't figured it out
for sure if it's Parkinson's,but all of your symptoms are
related to this.
That would be right.
When we want to get down there,get down there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
And I always say too, because even if let's say that
it doesn't have a targetedapproach on Parkinson's, there's
probably other comorbiditiesgoing on in their world which
are yet taking the resources oftheir body that would normally
be used to fight the Parkinson'sand they're pulling them off
Right.
So if the stem cells can kindof repair those things and get
their inflammation generalizeddown in their body, I think they

(01:11:55):
have a better they have abetter fighting chance to you
know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:59):
It's exciting.
I mean I love it, I think it'syou can see it's changing
people's lives.
I mean, I'm just looking at itcosmetically, what it's done for
people I mean our hair is whatmakes us feel, you know, like
ourselves and our skin and toknow what it's doing for the
body is really exciting and I'mexcited to get down there.

(01:12:19):
I'm going to have you do myfoot first.
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
wrong with your foot?
I let him do it.
Oh, because you banged it andit fell.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
Because she couldn't feel it 10 minutes ago I
couldn't feel my foot.
I was just making an entrance.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Oh, that was hilarious.
All right, well, thank you guys, it was a good podcast, right?
Well, let's go, dog, let's goyes.

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