Roundtable April 2025: Capitol Cutaway Recap and Thoughts on Season 2 So Far

Hey, Who fans and welcome to the [Month] Round Table!

Kicking things off, we chat about our recent weekend adventure at the Capital Cutaway event. It was a blast meeting up in London and geeking out together, and we're already planning our trip to next year's big 50th DWAS event.

We also gave our hot takes on the first two episodes of Season Two, “Robot Revolution” and “Lux”. Some of us loved the new companion, Belinda and her strong attitude, while others felt the stories were a bit tired or rushed.

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Episode Transcript

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Hey, hey, hey who fans andwelcome to the Big Blue Box Podcast.
My name's Garry.
My name's Maria.
My name is Matt.
My name's Jordan.
My name's Harry.
And welcome to the AprilRoundtable. We had a yeehaw there.

(00:49):
We had a yee haw.
I wasn't expecting it, but Ilike it.
I like it. Yeah, I was gonnasay we didn't have a. Don't make
me laugh. But we had a yeehaw.That'll do. That'll do. Welcome back,
everybody, to anotherroundtable. It's been. It's been
a minute since the last one.We didn't do one last month. Bit

(01:12):
busy for that one. That was onme. That's my fault. A little bit
busy with some stuff going on.But we are back to talk about a weekend
away that we all had recently.We're all in London down in Datdale,
London for a. For a Doctor Whoconvention, which is very cool down
at Capitol Cutaway, whichwe're going to come on to in a second.

(01:33):
And then I'm going to getthese guys thoughts on the first
two episodes so far intoseason two. See what they thought.
The Robot Revolution and Lux.I was going to say flux, then luxury.
See what you guys thought to.So that. Before we get on to all
that, though. Hope you'redoing well, Matt. Have you been,

(01:55):
buddy?
Yes, very well, thank you,mate. Very, very well. Obviously
had a. Had a brilliant timewith you at the Capitol event, but
we'll get on to that shortly.But aside from that, what Doctor
Who things have I. Oh, I have.Starting from the train ride up to

(02:17):
London, I've been goingthrough. Is it season 20? The. The
one that introduces Turlo? Ibelieve it's season 20. Yeah. I'm
seeing nodding heads, so I'll.I'll go with confidence. Yeah, it's
definitely season 20 andbecause I. I thought I've said on
the pod before that I don'tthink much of Turlo and I thought

(02:42):
I've only seen the FiveDoctors and maybe one other with
Turlo in it and. And I can'treally go on and keep that in my
head without giving him a fairchance, you know, to prove otherwise.
And so started off from thebeginning and I think, you know,
he's really grown on meactually. He's miles ahead of Adric

(03:04):
in my ranking. Poor old Adric.But yeah, no, I've just been really
enjoying that. I've. I thinkI'm three or four stories through.
Yeah, no, I've just got to theFive Doctors, actually. So I'm. I've
done season 20 and I'm on theFive Doctor. I just finished the
Five Doctors, so I'm intriguedto go on because I haven't watched

(03:27):
all of Davison's run. So I'mdoing like a start to finish thing.
Really, really enjoying it.
Nice. The Five Doctors. Goodstory? Oh, yeah, yeah, very good.
Maria, how have you been?
I've. I've been good. It'sfunny that Matt's talking about season

(03:49):
20 because I. I really kind ofthought after coming away from Capitol
Cutaway, which I know we'regoing to talk about, I really fancied
seeing a bit of Davison. So Idid put on Mord Undead. Now, I think
I would say traditionally,it's never been one of my favorite

(04:10):
stories, but it was actually.It was actually really nice to sit
down and watch it because Ihaven't seen it for quite a long
time. And a lot of what Matt'ssaying about Turlo kind of resonates
with me because I think. Imean, I don't know how old Matt Mark
Strixon was when he took thepart. I think he was. I think he

(04:33):
was early, early 20s, 22, 23.But I think he pulls it off really
well, you know, kind ofplaying that sort of public school.
School. School boy, I'mguessing. But yeah, I. I actually
enjoyed it, you know, becauseI haven't seen it for a while and

(04:54):
it's obviously got NicholasCourtney in it as well. It was actually
really good to sit down andwatch it. So, yeah, I'm wishing Matt
all the best with watchingDavison. I think he's going to enjoy.
I really do. So keep going, Matt.
Thank you. Yeah, I'll have tolet you know how it goes. But yeah,

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season 20 was. Was very, verygood so far, so looking forward to
going on.
Pretty please write an articleon it. That'd be really interesting.
Oh, yeah, good idea. Ooh,watch this space.
Nice one, guys. Very cool.Harry. How have you been, you little
bugger?
Ey up, Garry. Yeah, I'm good.I'm good, man. Easter was lovely.

(05:37):
Our weekend away wasfantastic. All of us. Doctor Who
has been fun having that backon the tv. I've been reading. I picked
up the target novelization of73 yards, hoping that maybe it might
make the TV story make alittle bit more sense. And I've been

(06:00):
sort of balancing that andalso reading Stephen King as well,
which I know Matt reallyloves. And I've been reading more
Stephen King, to be honest, Ifind that way more interesting. But
I'll get to the end of 73yards soon enough. I actually, as
well, I went to Waterstones,not planning to buy anything, but
obviously that's a lost causewhen you go into a Waterstones. I

(06:24):
went to the Doctor Who sectionand there was a copy of Doctor Who
in the Daleks which wasscreaming my name. I have always
wanted to own the paperbackcopy of it. I have the hardback illustrated
edition, but I've alwayswanted a little, tiny, little tiny
novella just to sort of holdin my hands and read more easily

(06:44):
than this big, bulkyillustrated thing. So I bought that,
I'm gonna read that. But yeah,I'll get through my Stephen King
book first and then I'll maketime for my Target novels. First
world nerd problems, obviously.
Yeah.
What are you on, Harry?

(07:04):
Which one you want, StephenKing or. I'm reading a book called
the Outsider, which is very,very dark, very grim, but very. It's
got very intriguing premise,shall we say? So, yeah, listeners,

(07:25):
look into it in your owncaution. It's very horrible, but
it's. But if you like. If youlike horror and you like kind of
crimey, supernatural stuff,then it's. Yeah, it's really good.
I take it you've read thewhole thing, Matt?
Yes. Is it a satisfyingpayoff? Runs part of a. I don't want

(07:45):
to give anything away.
Okay, okay.
But it's part of an ongoingseries of the Holly Gibney series,
and it kind of interweavesthrough there. But, yeah, definitely
what Harry said. It is not forour younger listeners, it's. It's
not suitable. But for olderlisteners, if you haven't checked

(08:07):
it out, check it out. It'svery, very good indeed.
Niels and Jordan, how are you, sir?
I'm very well, thank you.
Yeah.
You've been up to anything?Who related since the Capitol?
Well, sort of watching it onthe TV on. On a Saturday. But the.

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I think the weirdest thing wasI went ghost hunting the other day
and we pulled into the carpark and I'm like, where do I recognize
that field from? I was. It wasall these, like, greenhouses in the
background. I was like, wheredo I know them from? And I was like,
I'm gonna have to have a look.And I was at the place where, in
Revelation of the Daleks, whenthe sixth Doctor and Perry arrive

(08:50):
at tranquil repose, theyfilmed it at this. It was an air
base. It's now a museum, sortof Chichester Way. And I knew that
it was filmed down there, butI didn't realize that it was where
I was going ghost hunting. AndI was like, only I could go ghost
hunting and accidentally finda Doctor Who location at the same
time.

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Only you, Jord? Yeah. I sawyour pics on something. Instagram,
I think it was.
It was really weird. I waslike, I don't know if that's sad
or impressive that I recognizethat field. I think it's a bit of
both.
To be fair, but, no, it wascool. Yeah, I remember seeing that,

(09:31):
thinking, yep, that would beJordan. I'm doing that. Oh, cool.
So, yeah, some. Some. What'sthe word? Unintentional.
Yeah.
Location. Yeah, yeah, Niceone. Very cool, guys. Let's kick
off then, with a bit of arecap. So you heard on the two monthly

(09:55):
roundtables before last month,we were saying that we were going
to Capitol Cutaway, which isan event run by the Doctor Who Appreciation
Society. They also do the. Theother big event down in. I think
it's been all over the place,but I think it's mainly in Crawley,
near Gatwick, I believe. AndMaria and Jordan are two big fans

(10:18):
of the. The DWASP stuff. Those two.
They're so much fun.
Yeah, you guys, you attendthose, don't you? Pretty much every
year, I would say. And thisone came along and they were like,
right, you've got to go, youlot. We won't hear a word about it.
You've got to book tickets. Sowe're like, oh, God, here we go.

(10:39):
You know, Maria's like, whenshe gets. You know, when she gets
going. So we're like, oh, God,we better book these, then. So, yeah,
booked them. And it turned outto be an absolutely fantastic weekend.
It was really cool. So, guys,what did you think? Was this the
first Capitol Cutaway eventthat they've done or they done more

(10:59):
previously?
This was the first cutaway one.
Yes. Yeah.
I don't know. I don't know whythey didn't do it the whole weekend.
I think there might have been.I know the last few times there's
been issues of, like, thehotels and things that they've been
in and. And sort of things. Ithink maybe. Maybe this year they
were like, we'll just ease offon it. But I think they're also preparing

(11:22):
because next year's theirfifth year.
Yes, that's right.
Or something. So I think maybethey were sort of holding off to
do that. And I'm glad thatit's back in the hotel in Crawley,
actually, because it's thatwas where it was when I first went.
And it's kind of like to me,that's its home. Is that that hotel.

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So I'm quite glad that it'sgoing back, but I think it just felt
more. More akin to sort of alot of their riverside events, I
think, where it was a littlebit more relaxed, a little bit more
chilled out. And I think theway they organized it was a little
bit better where you kind ofhad. You did all the panels and then
you had a break where youcould do your photos and your autographs

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and things. I think it floweda lot better this time and it actually
made you feel like you've doneeverything. It was quite intense,
but you kind of felt likeyou've done everything.
So it was a cool one day,wasn't it? It was, yeah, it was.
It was like back in the daywhen he used to go to like some of
the big Finnish events or, youknow, some of the smaller ones, like

(12:26):
the. The ones in Chiswick,what they call it, the Phantom. Yeah,
yeah. So, yeah, it was cool.Maria, what was your view on this
then versus some of the biggerDWAs ones that you'd been to prior?
It's a different experiencebecause I think trying to cram a
lot into one day, I mean, theykept it, I think, to a reasonable

(12:51):
limit on the guests because Ithink they had 12 guests for the
day, which I think is quitesubstantial in terms of, you know,
running the panels, havingphotographs, you know, and getting
autographs and stuff likethat. So I think it was definitely
manageable. I did enjoy it, Imust admit. I thought it was. I.

(13:17):
I didn't know what to expectwhen they said where the venue was.
Obviously it's a Polishcultural center, so I wasn't quite
sure what to expect, but Ithought it was really well organized.
You know, it's laid out reallywell in terms of where things were.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, Ithink. I think there was loads of

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time given to the panels,which was quite nice. And obviously
they've had, you know, theyhad new guests this year from New
who. So, you know, that wasquite nice. But, yeah, I mean, in
comparison, I think, I thinkthe two day event is a different
beast because on the Saturday.The Saturdays can be quite frenetic

(14:02):
because it's the opening dayof the convention and there's a lot
going on on the Saturday andthen they have the auction the evening.
So that's a chance for peopleto kind of, you know, let their hair
down after all the, you know,all the panels have finished and
autographs and stuff likethat. So I think a two day event

(14:22):
is definitely more relaxed. Imean Sundays are always quite good
at the convention. That'squite a relaxed affair. So I think
there's more time obviouslyover the two day event to. And, and
you know, and they kind of,they kind of theme things around
on the different days. So youknow you'll have maybe a lot of classic

(14:42):
guests on one day and thenother classic guests on the other
day or new who or whatever. Soyeah, it's different beast the two
day one. But I think they didreally well with the one day one
that they did. It was, it was.And what I loved was obviously they
had. Everything was kind of onone site so you could sit down in
the cafe and you know, andthat wasn't too, too far away. There

(15:06):
was also a restaurant if youwanted to sit down formally and eat
as. So you know there was.Everything was kind of on the one
site which was fantastic. Imean I've, you know and I know obviously
accommodation was literallyacross the road as well for people
as well if they wanted it. Soyeah, I thought it was, I thought
for a one day event it was, itwas very well done. I mean they would

(15:27):
have probably had more peoplein terms of merchandise and things
like that. Normally for thetwo day they normally have a few
more people that, you know,with the marketplace and everything.
But yeah, I think it's, it's adifferent experience but it was definitely,
definitely noteworthy. Youknow I thought it was really well

(15:50):
done. So I can't, I can't sayanything bad about it really.
Yeah, it was really well doneactually in terms because I've been
to some nightmare ones in thepast. I've been to a few where you.
Yeah. Oh, show. I don't wantto say Showmasters. Some of those
have been.

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They make enough money.
Is that the one centre, theshow masters.
It's the ones that are inLondon at the Olympia too. You know
the big London Film and Comic Con.
The London Film and Comic Con.Yeah. I think my experience at those
has been very variable and youknow it's literally thousands of

(16:37):
people and you're kind of, youknow, rushing from one thing to the
other. You're in an endlessqueue. Sometimes, you know, in terms
of space though, those thingshave to fill a lot of space so you
know, they obviously have lotsof people. You know, it is, it's
a mega event, isn't it? And Idon't think you're going to get that

(16:59):
personal interaction that youmight want from a smaller convention.
And I, you know, the smallerconventions give you that, you know,
if you want, if you want a bitmore of a personalized experience
or you, or you, you know, ifyou're going year after year, you're
going to meet the same peoplethere. You're gonna, you know, you're,
you're gonna get to knowpeople, people that go to the events.

(17:21):
You're gonna get to know, youknow, the guests, maybe in a, In
a bit more of an intimate way.Whereas, you know, Show Masters is
a bit of a marketplace and.Yeah, I mean, and you pay extortionate
prices for those events aswell. I mean, I, When I look at the
price of autographs at thoseevents, it's, you know, it, it. We've

(17:42):
got a cost of. We've got acost of living crisis. But that doesn't
apply to Show Masters, doesit, really? They can charge as much
as they want. And so, youknow, it's. Yeah, I mean, you, you,
you pick your battles, really,with these things. I mean, I've been
a few times. I'm not reallythat keen on them anymore. I've been
about three or four times and.Yeah, I think, I think I, I know

(18:05):
what it is. I wouldn't go again.
Yeah, no region. Yeah, yeah,yeah. It was more the, yeah, the
prices and everything is just.I think it's just the what they are
these days, I think. Thebigger cons, I think. Yeah, it's
pretty, it's pretty, prettyhuge. And yeah, it was more the organizational

(18:28):
side of things for me withsome of the Show Masters things.
So the DWAs managed to do avery smooth running day where they
very sensibly had panel talks,then the break with photo shoots
and autographs and then backfor panels. And it was. Yeah, it
was, it was good. But you alsofelt like you had room to sort of
go off for a drink if youwanted to, a bit of lunch, still

(18:49):
do things and, and everything.And there's some lovely people there
as well. Matt and Harry. I'llget your views in just a second.
But a friend of yours, Mariaand Jordan, I believe, Joe, he was
our companion, wasn't he? Hewas a honorary big Blue Box team
member, turned out for theweekend. And he's such a cool guy.

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So it was, it was lovely tosort of hang out with him and get
his opinion on. On Dr. Whoand, and just have a laugh and stuff,
so. And we met some other coolpeople as well. There was my. The
names escaped me, so I'm Very,very sorry, but there was a gentleman
that came up while we werewaiting for photos, and he was there
with his son and said thatthey were listeners of the Big Blue

(19:35):
Box and they enjoyed thepodcast and. And to say hello. So
it was great to meet you. I'mvery sorry, I'm terrible with names.
It's not, you know, I'm likethat with everybody, so thank you
very much. And there was acouple of other people as well, that
when we were sat down, theycame over and said, oh, you're from
the Big Blue Box. It's verycool. So from that perspective, it
was great. The attendees wereall chill and lovely and everyone

(19:58):
got on and it was lovely. So,yeah, very cool. So, Harry and Matt,
you were in the same boat asme, I believe. This was all our first
sort of DWAS event, I think.And so, yeah, I'd like to hear about
you guys.
I'll go first, shall I, Matt?
Yep.
So, yeah, it was a really goodday and I think what it just felt

(20:23):
like a great big group offriends. Not all of us knew each
other, but it just felt like,you know, we were all hanging out
all day and it felt reallychill and unlike the kind of conveyor
belt feeling of like, theShowmasters events, it just felt
really comfortable. You know,we were all lounging around in the
theater, like, watching the.Watching the panels and stuff. And
the panels were fantastic.Every single panel was absolutely

(20:45):
brilliant. Some of them werehilarious, particularly the actors
names escaped me, so maybe oneof you guys could help me out here.
But the Movellen from Destinyof the Daleks and that guy from Terror
of the Vervoids, those guys, Iwasn't expecting their panel to be
absolutely hilarious, but itwas. It was great.

(21:05):
You got the name, which wecan't actually repeat. No.
Peter Straker and SimonSlater, that's them.
Yeah.
Yeah, they were so funny.
It was a good one.
They were really good. And,yeah, honestly, it would have been
worth it just for that. Itjust so happened that there were
a few autographs ofphotographs I wanted to get, but

(21:26):
I could have quite happilyhave just turned up, watched the
panels, hung out with youguys, and had a really just perfect
day out, to be honest. So itwas lovely that Dewas put on a really
good event. And, you know,unlike Hooverville, you know, which
I love, and I'm gonna go backthis year, it was nice to kind of
feel like I'd sort of doneeverything so, like, I could see

(21:47):
all the panels and I could,like, have my autograph aperture
Opportunity. PhotographOpportunity. Go around. The traders,
they didn't have very manytraders, but, you know, there were
some cool little stands there.And, yeah, it was just a fab weekend.
And particularly for me, itwas my first time actually going
to the Riverside studiobecause we went to the. The bar the

(22:07):
night before and I, for somereason, I must have not been paying
enough attention, but I didn'trealize that it was actually the
Riverside studio that they hadfilmed Doctor Who in the 60s. So
I was. I was like, that wasreally, really cool. And it was just.
Yeah, it was just great tohang out with you guys, really. That's
the kind of biggest takeaway.Like, it was nice to actually kind

(22:28):
of meet up and just hang outand say things that we couldn't say
on the podcast because therewere lots of expletives. But, yeah,
no, it was great. It was agreat weekend. Definitely one to
remember.
That's just Garry with all the exclusives.
Garry and his.
I'm just impressed I managedto get us there with my really bad

(22:50):
directions.
Yes.
Go this way. Go. Go down. Go down.
Yeah, I think go this way.Yeah. No, it was lovely to see you
all kind of in London town.So, you know, and it was, it was
good. I'm really glad we endedup at the Riverside Studios as well,
because that's. That's quiteiconic. So, you know, it's. It's.

(23:11):
I'm really glad that youmanaged to see that and kind of,
you know, get a sense of thehistory of that place.
It was very cool. Riversidewas amazing. Yeah.
And it was a lovely night aswell. Like, it was lovely weather.
Like, the sunshine wasgorgeous. Like, I, you know, I don't
want to be that one to talk.Resort to talking about the weather,

(23:32):
but everything about it wasjust. Chef's kiss. It was great.
Yeah, it was good weather.
It was.
Yeah, it was.
Matthew, what are your. Yourthoughts on meeting our miserable
faces for the first time and.
And all that, you miserablelot? Yeah, I. I have to say, listeners,

(23:54):
that they're just asmiserable. They one absolute lovely
bunch of people. And likeHarry was saying, like, the. The
Capitol Cutaway was. Wasamazing. But the highlight of it,
the absolute highlight wasmeeting these lovely, lovely friends

(24:14):
that I've made through thisbrilliant podcast, if I do say so,
if I do say so myself in theflesh, and just, you know, spending
a few days with them and just,you know, just chatting, chatting
about all things Doctor Who ornot, and just. Just really just having

(24:35):
an amazing time and lovelierpeople you cannot meet and. Yeah,
I just, I came away, I had afour hour train journey home and
I was just beaming the entireway. It was just, it was just such
a lovely experience. And yeah,you miserable lot went. Weren't that

(24:55):
bad either. But no, theCapitol Cutaway that was, it was
such a, it was my first everconvention where it wasn't a local
one to me and I'm in Devon,you could probably tell by my accent
that slips sometimes or asGarry found out quite a lot more
when I've had a few to drink.Yeah, the old tractor comes out a

(25:24):
bit more frequently but thiswas my first proper convention that
I'd been to and it was so wellorganized to the tea. It didn't feel
rushed. It didn't you. I,because I saw, just as a point of
reference, I saw the, I thinkit was LFCC where Shooty Gatwa was

(25:49):
in attendance and his cue wasjust, you know, like exaggerating
but like a mile long and, andpeople were just coming in and it
was like two seconds maximumand it was like hi, snap, bye. And
then, and then it was juststraight in, straight out, straight
in, straight out. And that'swhat I was thinking. It was, you
know, gonna be that, that wasjust the norm and it was just so

(26:11):
much better. It was, you know,you got, you go in, you sit down,
you say hi and you have alittle chat and what was really lovely
is because it was such arelaxed atmosphere the whole day,
even the guests, you know,they'd hang around afterwards and
if, you know, you werepleasant you could have, you know,

(26:31):
a chit chat and just, justfind out a little bit more and, and
just just you know, be, bearound these, these awesome people
and, and like was previouslymentioned I got a shout out to Joe
who I'd never met before,Jordan and Maria's friend. Absolute

(26:51):
top quality man he was, he wasbrilliant all weekend, wasn't he?
And looking forward to meetinghim again.
So he won't mind saying that.
He's just so funny and sonice. Such a nice guy.
Yeah, absolute legend. We'llhave to see if Garry will bring him

(27:13):
on one day and we can do that,we can do that in person on here.
And also Adam Mamoun who I'veknown online but never in person
and what a lovely, lovely chaphe is. And we spent Riverside Studios
an evening with him and Joeand all of us and it was just the

(27:36):
nicest time. Honestly, just, Ican't quite put it into words, although
I've said quite a lot but itWas just. It was just such a lovely
weekend and. Yeah, I can'twait for the next one.
Indeed. Yeah. Thank you verymuch, AD Tall AD as we call him.
Thank you very much, Joe. Anddo you guys add what I'll add? Yeah.

(27:58):
And you guys, you're all ontop form. You're all absolutely wonderful
to, to be with for the weekendand, and, and just geek out on Doctor
Who and other bits and bobsand have a drink. It was just so
nice. And thank you very muchto the.
Can I just say I'm reallyimpressed at how much you guys can
drink. Can I just say that? Imean, blimey, you know, I'm sitting

(28:22):
there with my one Baileys withice and you guys just kind of. Keep
going, keep going, keep going.
Years of practice. Yeah.
The memories of me, Harry andGarry waltzing down the streets of
London doing Harry and Hagridimpressions will be with me for.

(28:45):
I don't remember that.
What? Yeah, that was funny.
I didn't think I had that.
Do you not remember?
No.
What?
Oh, wait.
Oh, I think it's coming backto me, actually.
Yeah.
We were also singing. There'salways a twist at the end. There's
always a. Insert something atthe end all weekend.
Yeah. If you were in theHammersmith area, you didn't need
to meet us, you could hear us.

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Yeah. Apologies to theresidents of the Hammersmith area,
but it was very cool and a bigthank you to the guys at the TOAS
as well for putting on a. Avery well organized and smooth and
lovely day. So tickets are onsale now. A bit of a plug for those
guys. Tickets are on sale now,I believe, for next year's 50th anniversary

(29:29):
capital event. So I think atthe moment the consensus is that
we'll all be going. I thinkthat's what we're all aiming for
at least anyway, for us to getaround there next year. So as we've
done with this one for thecutaway event, we'll. We'll plug
it intermittently and try andget as many people there. I'm sure
it will sell out. This onesold out. And I think most of their

(29:51):
events do, so it should berather good. So that was the. The
weekend away, the, the bigblue box, jolly as it were. Let's
bring. Let's bring theconversation back to the here and
now. So two episodes havelanded for season two thus far, the
Robot Revolution and Lux Adam,my co host, and myself on the regular

(30:18):
podcast have already put ourthoughts out. So I'm not going to
Dive in too much here. So Iwant to hand the floor over to you
guys and see what you guys.Not to go into too much detail for
each individual, each episodeindividually, but what did you think
of season two so far? Did youthink the opening episode was worthy
of a season opener? Did itkick off the. The series in the usual

(30:41):
fashion that you would expectit to, or was it a bit flatter than
that? And are we already on anupward trend with episode two? Did
you guys enjoy it or did younot leave it up to you? So, Jordan,
over to you first. What'syour. What's your feeling for season
two so far?
I'm enjoying it. I think it'sbeen fun and I think that's what

(31:04):
Doctor Who needs to be is fun.I wasn't. I wouldn't say. I thought
Robot Revolution was like, abig, you know, massive way of bringing
the series back. But then, youknow, New Earth is a bit rubbish,
Smith. You know, all theopeners tend to be a little bit kind

(31:26):
of singing and they kind ofget better. I thought it was fine.
I thought it was fun. I cansee people kicking off about Planet
of the Incels and all this,that and the other. But, hey, you
know, it's a. That's a smalllittle thingy on Twitter that, you
know, they'll be the ones tokick off about it. And I. I know

(31:48):
there are people on thispodcast who did not enjoy it, but
I really enjoyed Lux. Ithought it was quite fun. I thought
it was different. It waswacky, it was. It was fun. I don't
really know how else todescribe it. I'm just. I've had fun
with the last two episodes, Ithink. I think sometimes people,

(32:09):
I think, are getting a littlebit angry when they don't need to
be. But that's. That seems tobe a very, very particular group
of people online.
But I know.
I think it's fine. And I like.I like Belinda with the Doctor, and

(32:31):
I really liked how at the endof Robot Revolution, he's really
trying to, like, charm herinto staying, and she's like, no,
no, I want to go. And thenwhen he realizes the charm isn't
working, he switches. Andthere was a couple times where he,
like, really, like, glared ather and really kind of was like,
you're really starting toirritate me now. And then there was
a couple of times in Lux wherehe kind of snapped at her. He was

(32:54):
sort of basically told her,I'll get over it, and this, that
and the other. And it waslike, oh, that's kind of like. It
was kind of like a bit of adarker Doctor than I think. You know,
most of the time he's funnyand bubbly and kind of whatever,
but he did feel that. He hasfelt a little bit darker this series.
And, I mean, Rusty Davis putit in Doctor Who magazine that Belinda's

(33:17):
kind of styled, modelled andstyled after Tegan in that she doesn't
want to be there, and thenshe'll gradually start to enjoy herself.
And I can see that. And I'mnot just saying that because Tegan's
my favorite companion, but Ican see that that's what they're
doing because they have thatkind of friction where she'll tell
him off and he'll tell heroff, and I quite like that. Yeah,

(33:40):
I'm enjoying it. I think it's fine.
You're enjoying it. Cool.
Yeah, I think maybe next yearit will have a break because I don't
think they've filmed anythingyet, but I don't think it's not being
canceled. I think that's justpeople really being horrible for
the sake of being horribleabout it.
Yeah, Okay.
I think that's a topic wecould talk about forever, but it's.

(34:03):
I just think it's a certaingroup of people on Twitter or X or
whatever people want to callit, that are just really angry about
it for no reason. And, okay,the stories aren't as good as they
were, but, you know, you showme a TV show that's lasted 61 years,
that hasn't kind of hadperiods that aren't as good as other

(34:25):
ones and. Yeah.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yep.Yeah, I totally get that. There's
definitely a subset of fanswho are. Yeah. Wanting that to happen,
which is a shame, because it's.
It's. It's all of our favoriteshows, so why. Why would you be like,

(34:46):
oh, Dr. Who needs to becanceled, and all this, that the
other. When it's yourfavorite, you know, why. Why are
you kind of wishing it away? Imean, the BBC don't care because
you're watching it and they'regetting viewing figures. So it's
like, well, the BBC are like,whatever, but, yeah, you know.
Yeah. Make a good point,though. It's definitely like a little

(35:07):
echo chamber of people thatare doing that stuff. Stirring a
pot a little bit. No reader.Okay, so a bit of a thumbs up from
Jordan. Yeah. So far. Harry,what are your. What are your feelings
so far? You know, that the redherring, you know, or back in my

(35:29):
day when I watched Doctor Who.It was all peak viewing figures.
And I liked it back then. Andshe liked it, didn't she? Her indoors.
And we watched it together andit was brilliant.
Now it's just not golden ageanymore, Garry. It's just not golden
age. No, I mean, you knowwhat? Jordan summed it up perfectly
about, like, not wanting toalmost wish Doctor Who away, because

(35:55):
I'll be completely honest, myoverriding thoughts on season two
so far is just. It feelstired. It feels like it's just kind
of lumping along a little bit.That, that, that is.
Yeah.
God, honest truth, that's howI feel about it. But at the same
time, I'm like, I don't wantto hate this. Like. And also, it's

(36:16):
not bad. It's not terrible.Like, it's, It's. There are lots
of things that I liked aboutthe first two episodes, which I'll
get onto in a moment. Butyeah, I, I mean, especially watching
the Robot Revolution, I justkind of thought, oh, here we go.
Another season opener.Another, you know, new companion.
Oh, another season arc. Ijust. I found myself, like, not.

(36:40):
Not really caring as much. AndI feel like. Yeah, I know that we've.
A lot of people have said itbefore. I've said it before, but
rest it. It. I honestly feellike it needs to be rested for a
while and it needs to comeback with different writers and it
needs to have some kind ofspark again, some kind of fear factor

(37:01):
again, because, you know,particularly episode two, Mr. Ring
a Ding, that cursed 3Danimation that he turned into, they
could have done a lot morewith that, but they just didn't.
And, yeah, I don't know, itjust feels. It just feels tired and
I, I don't want to hate it. Idon't hate it, but. You're laughing.

(37:26):
Carry on, Harry. Carry on, Harry.
Okay, so what I liked aboutepisodes one and two.
What?
Anyone. Anyone that's listenedto. To the weekly podcast that went
out yesterday. You'll know whywe're laughing when we say the name

(37:51):
Mr. Ring a Ding. My co host,Adam, dropped a bit of a. A bit of
a. A weird one, calling himsomething slightly different, but
also at the same time, verydifferent. Different. So, carry on,
Harry. We're very sorry.
It's. It's. It's all right.Yeah, no, I really like Mr. Dingling.
I thought, you know, he reallyadded something to it. But, yeah,

(38:15):
things. Things I liked. So Ithink. I think Belinda's a really
cool companion. I think thatI. I just like the fact that she's
A bit. A bit of a dick. Like,she's. She's kind of like, you know,
doesn't. Doesn't. How can Iput this? Like, she. She doesn't
take the doctor's crap,basically, you know, like. Like him
trying to charm her and, like,testing her DNA. And like, she quite

(38:39):
rightly said, oh, that. That'sa bit uncomfortable kind of thing.
And, yeah, more of that. Ithink that's really cool. And something
really unique and interesting,especially because, like, him and
Ruby, there was kind of noconflict in that relationship. So
if we can have a bit more ofthat, that'd be really cool. And
Vera de Sethu plays the partreally well, I feel. And I loved

(39:00):
the kind of swings that Luxtook in terms of, like, the. The
animated section. I mean, Iwish it was a little bit longer,
but. Well, obviously we had alot of Mr. Mr. Digneling being, you
know, animated and stuff. Hewas really cool. It's nice they have
the budget to do thatnowadays. And I also really like
the fan scene as well. I knowa lot of people really didn't like

(39:22):
that scene, but I thought itwas cool. Apart from the absolutely
cursed way that they organizedtheir DVDs, why did they have a John
Pertwee box set, followed byWilliam Hartnell, followed by a Peter
Davison, and, like, they mixedand matched their vanilla releases
with their series box sets? Iwas like, what kind of serial killer

(39:43):
Doctor Who fan are you?
But fake fan. Fake fan.
Fake fans. Yes. You couldtell. It was obviously just put together
by a BBC props department.But, yeah, no, I mean, they were
fine. They were, you know,both episodes, you know, were fairly
entertaining. I didn't hatethem. They just feel kind of tired.
But I'll enjoy what I can ofthe rest of this series.

(40:07):
I see. Okay, well, that's not.That's not bad either. Yeah. Seems
to be mostly enjoying it.Good, good. That's good. Maria, the
biggest modern who fan of allof us. Maria, if you haven't. If
you. This is your first roundtable roundtable. Just a bit of a

(40:29):
summary. Maria hates anythingto do with Doctor Who pre 2005. So
if you talk to Maria aboutclassic Doctor Who, you're liable
to get a swift one across thechops. So she's just modern who through
and through. So you must beloving this. Maria, what are your
thoughts?

(40:50):
Oh, you're getting so. You'regetting so much mileage out of this,
Garry. I'm just gonna. I'mjust gonna. I'm just gonna let you
just carry on okay, look.Okay, I'm gonna. I, I do like Modern
who. I. I do. It's differentto classic. I've always said that

(41:11):
it's different, but. Yeah, Imean, the first two episodes, I kind
of agree a little bit withHarry. I think, I think there is
a little bit of tardness inthe series, I think because Russell
T. Davis is writing a lot ofthe scripts himself. I think, you

(41:33):
know, there's a, There's a lotof stretch in some of the stories.
There's, there's, there's notenough. And I, I think it's maybe
the, the, the, the episodelength. You know, I think with a
lot of, A lot of thesestories, they need a bit more time
to kind of develop. So I'm, I,I have to be honest, when, when I

(41:56):
was watching the Robot. RobotRevolution. Revolution, I was just
glad that it wasn't like spacebabies, because I really didn't like
space babies last series. So Ithink there was a relief that it
wasn't. That it was actually alot better than that. I think there's

(42:18):
a. I feel quite mixed aboutthe series. There's bits that I really
like and I think. And thenthere's other bits that I don't.
I still think there's a bit ofego and a bit of. A bit of, you know,
RTD still kind of putting hisissues into the stories where I don't
think they need to be. Youknow, I mean, last week's the Robot

(42:43):
Revolution, we had the youngguy that was meant to be an incel.
Is that what they call them?So, and to be honest, that wasn't
really developed well enoughfor me in terms of whether he was
or whether he wasn't. I justfind some of the, the writing sometimes

(43:04):
is a bit brash and a bitabrupt in terms of, you know, the
themes that he wants to putin. I mean, like this week, Belinda
said something about RockHudson. You know who. Rock Hudson
had a fantastic film andtelevision career. He was a, he was
a idol of cinema, you know, abeaut. As, as the Doctor says, he

(43:29):
was a beautiful man. And, youknow, the only thing that kind of
Belinda was talking about wasobviously how he died and, you know,
and that kind of stuff. And I,I really don't like that because
I think, you know, you shouldkind of. You should kind of appreciate
people for the things thatthey do when they're alive, not how
they died, you know, so Ididn't, I didn't really like that.

(43:52):
But there are some good thingsin, in the Stories. I mean, some
of the visuals look fantastic.I mean, I think series two is where
they've probably spent themajority of the money so far. I mean,
the Robot Revolution looked.Looked very glossy. I mean, in. In

(44:14):
some respects I, I did thinkto myself, and this is something
I said to someone else, itdoes look very Disney the first two
episodes. And although there'sbits that I'm enjoying in the stories,
I. I find myself a bitdistanced from it because it does
look so glossy and it is kindof a little bit Disney. I don't know

(44:38):
how to describe it, but I dofeel a bit. A bit of distance from
it. As a fan, you know, I doprefer stories a little bit more
gritty, I suppose, and it doesfeel a bit gloss over substance a
little bit. I mean, in regardsto the characterization. I mean,
last week Shooty'sinterpretation annoyed me a little

(45:03):
bit because he was doing. Imean, there was one bit, he did a
high kick at one point, whichwas a bit kind of. And it was all
like yah Queen and all thiskind of stuff. And you know, that
really annoyed me because hefelt a bit campy. Last week he seemed
to settle down. This week hehad a more serious kind of story.
And I actually enjoyed thosequieter moments, you know, when he

(45:26):
was in the diner and he wastalking with the mother who had lost
her son or her son haddisappeared. You know, when he's
quieter, he seems to. To. Idon't know whether he's just got
a better handle of thecharacter this series, but I actually
preferred it when he was alittle bit quieter and he seemed.

(45:46):
It seemed he had more seriouscontent and, you know, and he was
a bit more of the Doctor Ifound in this week's story in Lux.
I. I enjoyed parts of thestory. I thought he was good in it.
Last week he was a bit toocampy and I don't know, this is.
There's this swing of thewriting so much in the series. It

(46:08):
really depends on the writing.Things I. Things I didn't like. They
killed the cat last week,which I kind of. I kind of thought,
did they really do that? Andthey did. They killed a cat. And
then that's what they. So Iwill say about Lux. I really enjoyed

(46:32):
Luxury this week. I enjoyed itup to about the 30 minute mark. And
then obviously you had the bitwith the Doctor Who fans, which I
think kind of just broke thatspell because we were obviously in
1952, 1952America. And it kindof broke the spell of that. And I

(46:53):
I didn't like it. I didn'tlike the dialogue. I thought it was
a bit. I didn't see the pointof having them in there. You've got,
you've got this fantasticepisode, which I must say the visuals
and the animation wasabsolutely top notch. I would say
it was fantastic for theepisode. And I think I would have

(47:14):
really loved to have seen thisstory as a two parter because I think
it kind of deserved it. Youknow, if you're going to go all out
and have animation and you'vegot people, you've got animators
who did, you know who havedone films like, you know, who. Who
is it? What's the name of thatfilm with Bob Hoskins?

(47:38):
Who Framed Roger Rabbit?
That's the one. Yeah. Sorry, Iwas trying to remember it. But apparently
they had the animator that didfor this story that did that story.
And you can see the love andcare that they kind of had in that
animation. I mean, some ofthat animation was fantastic. I would
have loved to have seen moretime spent on that story in 1952.

(48:01):
But they spent four and a halfminutes on a segment with Doctor
Who fans and I did feel likeRTD was having a dig at us fans.
You know, I've always been aclassic who fan and you know, and
I don't like that kind of metareferencing that they do. You know,

(48:21):
when the show kind of refersto itself. I don't think it needs
to do that. You know, I don't,I don't think it needs it. It needs
to have really good storiesthat, you know, take an audience
with you. And I think, yeah,it's, you know, we're, we're fans
and we're obviously watchingthe, watching the episode. But you
know, for the casual viewer,you know, what, what sense does having

(48:45):
that in their makeup really?You know, you need a seamless story
that follows through. And theyhad, it had such a good build up
this week on that story. Imean, it was creepy. You know, you
had, is it Linus Roach as theprojectionist? I mean, there was
some fantastic direction inthe story. You know, the close ups

(49:08):
of the projector, theprojectionist, the film reels. I
mean, who, when they saw that,that room with all the film reels,
I mean, my mind wentautomatically to Classic who, you
know, so, you know, there's alot of kind of really nice kind of
visuals in it. But yeah, Imean, it's, it's, it's been good

(49:30):
so far. I mean, I'm, I'mhoping that it's going to get better.
You know, next week looksquite creepy. So yeah, I'm, I've
got, I've got hopes for thisseries, you know, especially because
there's new writers coming in,you know, that we'll see something
different. Because I think, Ithink rtd, you know, he, he doesn't

(49:51):
need to be writing all thescripts himself. I mean, you know,
he's stretching some of thoseideas and you know, they need a lot
more development. I think, youknow, you need either a longer episode
time or you need to kind ofmake it, you know, not kind of stretch
the stories out so muchbecause there's some good ideas.

(50:13):
But yeah, I, I, I think, youknow, some of the characterization
needs developing. I mean, lastweek a lot of the supporting characters
were pretty, you know, werepretty, you know, one, one note.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, no, I read you.It's, it's often one of those things

(50:35):
where, especially when you'reonly a couple of, when you're only
a couple of episodes in andyou think, right, okay, even if you,
you weren't fully on boardwith them, you're like, we've got
the rest of the series to go,so you've probably what, we got six
episodes left. That soundslike hardly, guys. That sounds like
hardly anything at all. LikeI've been re watching some, some

(50:58):
US based TV shows over thelast year or so and like you're eight
episodes in and you're justgetting warmed up. You know, it's
like when you get to episode19, you're like, oh God. And you've
still got three or fourepisodes to go after that and you
think, bloody hell. So yeah,it feels really like a fleeting moment,

(51:22):
doesn't it? These shortereight episode series. I don't know,
it's just gone in a, in ablink. Excuse the pun.
I don't, I don't know if it's,if it's a bit of a curse.
Maria, we can't hear you.
Oh, sorry. Can you not hearme? Okay, technical glitch.
You put it another way, we area quarter way through the series

(51:44):
already.
We're a quarter of the way.Yes, exactly.
So depressing.
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Inone way it does have its advantages
because you're, you're, you'rehopefully removing any opportunity
for those sort of plottyepisodes and the padded ones that
you sometimes get that we havehad definitely in seasons past. But

(52:11):
if they don't all land andthey don't all hit the mark, then
I don't know but so, yeah.Maria, are you back with us or have
you still got.
Can you hear me?
There you go.
Yay.
Yeah, no, I was going to say,I. I don't know whether it would
have been better if they'dmaybe had. So there's either two

(52:34):
ways of doing this. They couldhave had either four stories that
were two parters. So, youknow, self contained. Four part.
Four. Four stories with twoepisodes. Or maybe had one continuous
story all the way through thatis really tightly scripted. You know,

(52:54):
a bit like Flux. If you'regoing to have eight episodes, maybe
it's better to do a serieslike Flux and have one overarching
theme. I mean, saying that Idon't know how I feel about all these
gods appearing again. I mean,obviously. I mean, Lux was a weird
one because he came in throughmoonlight and then apparently he

(53:16):
could be dissipated by toomuch light, which I didn't quite
get. I don't think that reallykind of landed for me in terms of
a resolution. I mean, itsounded quite nice. And I don't know,
I've kind of listened to acouple of other podcasts and they
were talking about religiousallegory, you know, because the doctor

(53:37):
was kind of suspended by film.Film reels in the kind of like almost
like a crucifix position andobviously, you know, light of God
and all of that. So I don'tknow if there was anything religious
in. In the writing, but yeah,as a resolution, I wasn't too keen
on it. I. I mean, yeah, Ithink it could have been done maybe

(54:01):
slightly differently, but. Andall this fourth wall breaking is
still a bit annoying. I mean,Mrs. Flood is still there in the
background and kind of. It'sall like portents of doom for the
24th of May. So I'm kind of.I'm kind of wondering, is she meant
to be the Big Bad orsomething? You know, is she coming

(54:21):
back in the finale and is shegoing to be the Big Bad? But yeah,
I don't know. I don't know. Idon't know about this gods thing.
I mean, they. They obviouslybrought back a reference to the toy
maker. So hopefully Russell'sgoing to wrap that up this. This
series.

(54:42):
Okay.
I don't. I don't know.
I see. So lots of unansweredquestions for Maria. She wants answers
and Russell's not providing.We shall see if. How. So just quickly,
guys, is there anything thatyou particularly want to see in the

(55:03):
remaining episodes of thisseason? Is there anything that you're
like, right, I think weabsolutely have to have this thing
or I really want to see thisthing. Is there any character that
you want to see come back?Regardless of if it's Mrs. Flood
coming back as an oldcharacter or just a character in
general that you want to seecome back? Because we do have that
typically, don't we, in seriesof Doctor Who, where they inevitably

(55:27):
have a cameo from, fromsomebody. Or it could just be a,
you know, a moment or two.Just a quick round the table. Harry,
is there anything that youparticularly want to see?
Susan. Bring back Susan. Ifeel like they were setting that
up in the first season. So,yeah, I think we should have a cameo
from Susan. That'd be cool.

(55:48):
Agreed on that one, bud. Forsure. Matthew, anything you want
to see? I know what you wantto see. You want to see Dalek put
together with. Yeah. How isthe dark?
It's looking very well. He'slooking very well. He's. I'll just
show you.
Listener. We've got a demo.Oh, we've got the top part. Okay.

(56:11):
Ice stalk. Very good.
Yep, he's looking pretty, he'sgetting pretty heavy now as well.
Just for a head. And I'm sofar behind. I'm only on, like, episode,
episode number seven orsomething, and I've got up until
like, 15 here, so I need tocrack on, really. But no, I, I, I

(56:32):
know there's, there's not muchtime left, but I will just say quickly
what I thought of the seriesso far.
Hold on, have we not doneyours yet? We're not done your.
Not, not yet, but I'll just be quick.
Oh, no, sorry, dude. Away you go.
No, sorry. No, that's allright. I was just gonna say hate
the lot. Nice and simple,short and sweet.

(56:56):
He's review. He hates the lot.
No, you don't. Of course Idon't. No, I, I came into this series
with not great expectationsand I don't know about anybody else,
but not the same feeling thatyou normally get with a new season

(57:18):
of who. Like the whole, Idon't know, you almost, you get like,
like, like, bit fizzy whenit's, when it's coming up, you know.
You know, Doctor Who's on theway and it's all a bit exciting.
Didn't really get that thistime. I was like, well, yeah, new
season of Doctor Who, that'dbe cool. Hopefully it's better than
last time. Not say last seasonwas particularly bad. It just, there

(57:42):
was a few, you know, not sogreat episodes. But anyway, pleasantly
surprised. Absolutelypleasantly surprised. And because
I think I came in with suchlow expectations. I was, I was so
happy to see it's not the bestseries opener, but RTD's openings

(58:03):
never are. Let's be honest.He's famous for not having the best
openers and then just gettingbetter and better with the episodes
as they go on. You look atlike, like you say Smith and Jones
and, and even like Rose or thePartners in Crime one, they're okay,
but there's so much betterthat's come from him further down

(58:25):
the line. So it's notparticularly the most standout episode.
Robot Revolution. I must say Ididn't really. Everyone's loving
Belinda and I didn't reallywarm to her the first, the first
episode that much. I thought,go, you're a bit annoying. And then,
and then I rewatched it and Ithought, actually it's a. It's much

(58:49):
different from Ruby and whereshe challenges him. And because of
the age difference betweenRuby and Belinda, I think it's such
a. Actually such a refreshingtake because we don't normally have
it. Although saying that thisepisode, it kind of throws that out
the window. You've got hergoing, you know, being really kind

(59:14):
of take no prisoners, I'm notfalling for your tricks sort of thing.
And then by the end of it, youknow, she's kissing his hand and
saying, you know, I'm reallysorry, I shouldn't have not trusted
you and I trust you now andblah, blah, blah. I think maybe that
could have lasted an episodeor two longer. But then again, with
the shorter episodes, Isuppose they gotta speed through

(59:35):
a few things. And that just sohappened to be one of the things
that they had to wrap upquickly. Speaking of the episode
length, you can tell all theway through these two episodes that
both of them needed to belonger. The 43 minutes is just not
enough for. Especially withthe, with the bigger budgets and,

(59:56):
and you, you can see thatthere's more story to tell on, on
each episode, it feelscrammed, you know, and a lot of things
don't have time to breathe orto be explained fully. So when, say,
Lux in this one in, in, sorry,the second episode, it, he was, you

(01:00:18):
know, becoming like moremonster fied and, and, and becoming
a person. And he looked, helooked amazing when he was becoming
this sort of like, horrificcreature. But then it was all over
and done and, and that endingwould have been fine had you had
the sort of big showdown rightbefore that, but it was kind of ready

(01:00:41):
for a big showdown. Ready fora big showdown. Oh, he's gone. You
know, which kind of. That wasthe only downer that I would have
for that episode because Ithought Lux was absolutely amazing.
One of. I'd probably say itwas my favorite shooty episode so
far. It just. It. Apart fromthe ending I loved every minute of

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was just from. I loved the.The feel from the 1950s. I loved
the big Chuck Berry fan. Sowhen Rollover Beethoven started playing,
I thought, this is an episodeI'm gonna love. And I did. And. And
I thought everything washandled really nicely. Like, obviously,
you've got the Doctor andBelinda, two people of color in the

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1950s. It's gonna. You need toaddress it somehow. Are you gonna
shoehorn it in? Like, reallybluntly? Like, maybe sometimes it
might have happened.Previously on Other Things. Not,
you know, trying to slateanything, but, you know, it was done
really, really nicely. Reallysincerely, but carefully done. And

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I thought Lux was amazing.What a character. What a different.
Different side of Doctor Whothat we just haven't done before.
It was. It was absolutelybrilliant. Yeah, I couldn't fault
it. And just the ending and I,I. The controversial part with the.

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Coming into the. To the whofans, I loved it. I thought it's
a bit like when you're. I knowon the. Across the pond, there's
quite a big thing aboutgetting roasted and they do, like,
these things where you say,you know, they have. They have a
roast where basically you getmocked and it's all one big laugh.

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And I kind of. I kind of sawit a bit like that. You. There's
a bit of turning tongue.Tongue in cheek about it all. But
at the same time, I can takethe fact that, you know, we are Doctor
Who fans, sometimes we can bea bit eccentric and we, you know,
we're. We're very enthusiasticpeople about the thing we love. And

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I think it was done nicely, tobe honest. There was a few things,
like RIP Doctor Who and thatsort of thing. And you just think,
like, Russell's having a dig.But it still worked for me. But I
will wrap up because I am justfull of words. But, yeah, one thing
I'd love to see Daleks, Iactually. And I knew you'd said it,

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and I thought, guys, he's gotit. But no, I'd actually love to
see Daleks because it doesfeel like. I know it's a new era,
but it just feels like we'vegone sort of series 11 where it was
no new villains, no old, oldvillains sort of thing. And it. And

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it kind of lacked something.Bring the new Villains in by all
means, for like seven out ofthe eight episodes. But give us that
one. It's still Doctor Who.It's still, you know, here's the
Cybermen, here's the Daleks.Don't overuse them so much. So we
get so sick and tired, likeTime Lord Victorious. But a Dalek
story now would be perfect,especially something as dark as,

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say, like Robert Sherman'sDalek or, you know, some of the big
Finnish Dalek stories, theyreally take it. The eleventh Doctor
adventures with Jacob Dudman,they took the Daleks and made them
scary again. I'd love to seethat actually televised. So, yeah,

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Daleks for me. Anyway, I'llstop talking now.
No, no, cool. Very cool. Soyou're enjoying this season quite
a lot, which is cool.
Yeah.
Jordan, what would. Is thereanything that you would like to see
new or return or justsomething cool?
I agree with Matt. I'd like tosee the Daleks and I think it would
be such a shame if every otherDoctor has got to meet the Daleks,

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but shoot, he doesn't.
Yeah, that's a good point, I think.
I think that would be a shame.
Yeah, no, I would agree withthat. So, Harry, Susan, Matt, the
Daleks. Jordan, the Daleksbefore Ghost. Maria. Just quickly,
Harry, you and I, when we wereat Capitol Cutaway, we were sat together

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watching somebody and I saidto you beforehand that they're going
to let slip, because theyalways do. Was it Anita Dobson or
was it somebody else?
It was Anita Dobson. Yes.
Yes, it was Anita, wasn't it?And she made a very quick passing
comment about the Daleks and Ilooked at you and I was like, there

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you go. That's your. That'sthe thing that she's let slip because
she does it all the time.
Yes.
They're not like, she lookedred and.
The interviewer was like, oh,so does that confirm the Daleks her
back? And she's like, I'm notsaying anything. Like, it kind of
like she sort of like, letsomething slip that she shouldn't
have. So, yeah, we'll see.We'll see.
Exactly. Yeah, you guys couldget your wish. But I agree. I think

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Shooty should go up againstthe Daleks before he's unceremoniously
tossed out of the. Out of thestudio into the street and see you
later. Maria, very quickly,over to you for the last thing. Anything
that you want to see in theremaining six episodes.
Oh, gosh. A satisfyingresolution. I don't know, it's really.

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It's really hard because wedon't know. You know, we don't know
how the series is going toend. I mean, obviously there's lots
of rumors around, you know,what might be happening at the end
of the series. So I don'tknow. I. I'm just gonna. I'm looking
forward to seeing what thesescripts are by the other writers.

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So I'm not sure. Not sure.
Gotcha. Yeah, Cool. Yeah. Doyou know what? I'm up for that as
well, seeing what other peoplebring to the table because we've
had, throughout season one andthese two, we've had a lot of Russell
scripts and he's not reallythe mark in all of them like he did

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before. So let's see, let'ssee. Anyway, so all in all, I think
we're quite enjoying seasontwo so far. Let's fingers crossed.
Let's hope that continuesthroughout the rest of the season
and we get some Daleks and weget Susan back and for Maria's sanity,
we get a decent script soonand a decent resolution, etc. And

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on that note, fam, let's endit there for the April Roundtable.

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Thank you so much forlistening to another month of the
Round Table. Goodness, insertadjective there. Nonsense, waffle,
insights, whatever you want.It's always fun doing a round table
with these guys. I love it. Ilove hearing your thoughts and your
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out. Right, we will be back.We'll be back next month for the

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many roundtable. Until then,my name's Garry.
My name's Maria.
My name is Matt.
I'm Jordan.
My name is Harry.
And oh God. And remember.