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Paddy prepares to stop taking Mounjaro, acknowledging the anxiety and unknowns associated with this significant change

Belinda interviews Paddy about this new territory in an extremely honest and raw episode.

We delve into his recent journey, discussing surgery implications, and reflects on maintenance beyond weight, fostering a deeper understanding of physical and mental health including an incredibly sentimental non scale  goal for Paddy.

Combined Paddy & Belindas weight loss totals over 170lbs supported by GLP1 Medications Ozempic & Mounjaro.

None of the content in this episode is to be treated as medical advice. Always seek out personal support from your GP / Medical Care team before beginning or changing any aspect of your healthcare.

We are not medically qualified - simply sharing our insights based on our journeys so far. Paddy is a Qualified Personal Trainer & Nutritional Coach.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
I can't remember our theme tune and I don't have it
ready this week do you know what?
I cut it.
So listeners I am, I'm instudio two we shall call it, and
I have a different set up inthis studio from where I
normally record and I don't havethe record and I don't have the

(00:26):
intro tune.
I don't have my intro tune here.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And it's so catchy, I love it.
I know don't it's okay, becauseyou.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm going into last week's podcast, this last week's
one.
What are we saying now?
What's this there?
None of it Ever.
Always we've seen it.
What's it there?
None of it ever, always.
There we go, and you're verywelcome along to another episode

(01:04):
of the Dose with Paddy andBelinda, where both Paddy and
Belinda it's been one of thoseweeks.
I think, it's fair to say.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Yeah, it's been a tough old week.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It feels like this has been a week of Mondays,
lessons, yeah of a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
We will say as well, though, that this recording on a
Thursday night is never goingto happen ever again.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
No, no, it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, it's going to have to be early in the week
when we're not so tired.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
So we normally record the podcast at the start of the
week.
It gives me a bit of time tokind of get it edited, get it up
that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Uh, this week has just been one of those weeks one
of those weeks for us formultiple, multiple, multiple
reasons, but um we're here,we're here, we're actually, and
you know what, when, when we,when we are here, it's fine,
everything falls away, and yeah,we just love the chat, so it's
all good but if our energy isnot the same as previous weeks
forgive us it's.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
It's a.
It's a.
It's a thursday.
Belinda, you know, has a verybusy household.
I have, you know, a husband anda cat and jobs and a cat of the
cat you know.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
So it's tough going, the most demanding cat in
Ireland apparently, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Oh my god, like she's such a thicker.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
Couldn't tell you where she got it out of.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
She's a total drama, queen.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I don't know whether you say this where you are,
Paddy, but we say she didn'tlick it off a stone.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I have not heard that before.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah that's what we say down here.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
I've heard that the apple did not fall far from the
tree.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
That's exactly what it means.
Yeah, it's funny, it's a weirdone actually.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I just thought of another way I could have got the
music.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Oh well, it's done now.
Stop to come back, look forward.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
That was a special edition intro this week.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Who knows, maybe after this, maybe I did get the
intro in, I don't know.
I don't know what futurePaddy's going to be able to do
in the edit.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
That's future Paddy's problem.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah, as in like in an hour's time.
Yeah, Listen.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Paddy, we have big news, as our friend Alan Clark
would say Big news coming soon.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Big news coming soon.
Big news coming soon.
Alan's my friend, isn't he?
He's not your friend.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
He's my friend via you.
All right, he's my favouriteperson in social media Is he.
Oh my God, he's phenomenal.
Did he come out when?

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Alan has never come out, much to my trying.
Anyway, that could beat her.
Oh god, oh god, yeah did he?

Speaker 2 (03:51):
did he start up the social media thing in lockdown
or no, he didn't, did he.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Alan's been involved in like been around a lot of
stuff for a long time.
That sounds shady.
Maybe some of it is, I don'tknow.
Alan, a lot of stuff for a longtime.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
That sounds shady.
Maybe some of it is.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I don't know, alan.
I know it's not, but no.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
I know Alan couldn't get his gin.
When his gin came out, couldn'tget it yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I'd say I know Alan from like early 2000s, early
2000s, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So there was radio and thatyeah yeah, so he used to DJ at
some of the nights that I usedto go to back in the day, and
then we had some friends incommon.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
That's right, he was a DJ.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
We just became friends and then, yeah, then
there was radio, then there wassocial media If nobody knows who
he is and you're from Ireland.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
you're living under a rock.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah, but for anybody else Alan Clark.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Is that his handle on Instagram?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Is it just Alan Clark ?
Is that his handle on Instagram?
Is it just Alan Clark?
Is it Alan Clark official?
I think Maybe.
Is it yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
And his tagline is usually big news coming soon.
He used to piss out of all theinfluencers, didn't he?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Alan Clark official.
What I will say is that Alan isone-off, if not the hardest
working person I know.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, he runs himself into the ground.
I'd say nearly.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
He always has had that really strong work ethic as
well.
So he is yeah, he's very, very,very, very.
Do you know what?

Speaker 2 (05:13):
drew me to him Was his dog Cookie.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Oh Cookie, yeah, yeah , his springer, yeah, yeah,
lovely, he's an old cookie tin.
But what big news can we addabout?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, I was big news have we got about?
Yeah, I was big news about youand where you are on your
journey and what's happening,and yeah, I took my final dose
of Munjarro last night that's.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
That's a hard pill to swallow that is not something
that people are going to havebeen expecting me to say I know
that, and even when I brieflymentioned this on Instagram the
other day, the amount of DMsthat I got, questions, what and
I didn't answer any of themother than it'll be in the
podcast this week and I'llexplain all.

(06:01):
But yeah, so yesterday I took mylast dose of a 15 milligram and
this has been something thathas been on the horizon for a.
I guess I first became aware ofhaving to do this and I'm gonna
say, maybe November time, wasit?
Maybe?
I think I first started October,november, october late October

(06:23):
yeah, late October, novembertime time when it was first said
to me.
And I am a little bit freakedout, I am a bit worried, I am
almost feeling like I'm goinginto the wilderness a bit.
I feel like I am.
I feel like the stabilizers arebeing taken off my bike.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, that is probably the best way to think
about.
Yeah, okay, so so just let meask you a question first.
Then you've had all of thistime, haven't you to think about
it?
Have, are there things thatyou've done to prepare for this?

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I have thought about things.
There is not things I have done, so I guess there's some
context as well that I haven'tshared yet.
So, we'll talk about that now.
So the reason why I'm comingoff Manjaro is I have surgery in
two weeks time and I have adeviated septum that I've had

(07:22):
only really started bothering me.
I would say maybe, maybe sixyears ago, six, seven years ago,
maybe, something like that.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Does it impair your breathing?
Yes.
Impact your breathing?

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes it does and I can notice it when I'm in the gym.
I can notice it oddly, I cannotice it when I'm flying and I
like I've spoke to theconsultant about that and I've
spoken to my own doctor about itand we're not fully sure why.
But then we also think, couldthat be a psychological thing?

(07:52):
That, because I know there'ssomething up my nose, am I
almost getting myself into likean anxiety attack Because I
nearly had one of those, or Idid have one of those.
I can now reflect on is what itprobably was when I was flying
back from um Orlando last lastyear um for our first wedding

(08:14):
anniversary and I got this intomy head that I couldn't breathe
when we were about two and ahalf hours still away from
Dublin and I was like, startedto hyperventilate on the plane
and I went to worst casescenario, as I always do.
I don't know why I do this insome aspects of life, in some I
do, but I went to worst casescenario where I was like, oh my

(08:36):
god, I'm gonna need oxygen.
Oh my god, I'm gonna need amedic.
Oh my god, they're gonna haveto divert the plane.
Oh my god, I'm not gonna makeit to land.
I can't breathe.
I can't breathe like, and thiswas reality like it was that
time in the flight whereeveryone else was asleep peter,
my partner was asleep, um and Iwas like I'm not going to
survive two and a half hours.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I I was not being able to breathe.
I was literally like is thatbecause you couldn't physically
breathe through your nose atthat point it's because I felt I
wasn't getting enough oxygenthrough my nose.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Now, the other thing to keep in mind is that when
you're on a plane, the oxygenlevels on a plane are lower than
when you're at ground level,but it shouldn't be to the
extent that it should impact you.
Now there are some people thatit does, and they will have
oxygen machines that they bringon them and you have to get
pre-authorization from theairport and all this or from the
airline and that.

(09:27):
So again, this is where my headwas going.
Oh my God, this is going to bemy life now.
Oh my God, like it's mad howour mind plays tricks on us, and
we spoke about that in lastweek's episode that we did about
body image, if you haven'theard it.
Like you know, tricks are mine,are my employees, but anyway.
So this set me on a journey totry and figure out.

(09:47):
I need to figure out whathappened then to cause that
situation, because I like to fly, I like to go places and I'm
not, you know, I I need to fixit.
So I went to my own doctor andhe did a.
Um.
Well, first of all, the first,first doctor I went to, he said
uh, he looked at my nose.
He's like yeah, you've deviatedseptum.

(10:08):
I can tell you that right now.
He's like, in terms of how badit is, um, I don't know.
Um, I like I can see it when Ilook.
But I'm going to refer you tothe consultant which I did
really, really phenomenalconsultant got referred to him.
I've been in with him a coupleof times and he's like yeah, pat
, paddy, he's like I do thinkyou'll benefit from surgery
because of how deviated it is inyour nose.

(10:29):
He's like there's some peoplethat might have a slight
deviation.
I'd be like do you know what?
You'll be fine, just take thesteroids.
Yeah, you can take.
There's a medication amongcalled Rialtris and that's
essentially like a steroid thatjust helps to expand the nose a
little bit or the nostrils.
So now, when I say expand, Imean like a millimetre you know,

(10:50):
like tiny amount.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
But it helps.
So they gave me that and when Iwas speaking to Gunther Fulton
I was like so what do you thinkhappened on the plane?
And he said, well, you do havea deviant septum.
He's like I don't think itshould have caused you to not be
able to breathe on the plane.
And I was like so it's possibleit could have been a
psychological thing that Iessentially caused, like myself,

(11:15):
an anxiety attack or a panicattack, and I've never
experienced that before.
So I can't.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
You can't relate, I can't relate, yeah I, you can't
relate.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
I can't relate.
Yeah, I'm sorry I hit my mic.
I can't relate to what that is.
To know if it was or wasn't,but I was hyperventilating.
I was standing up, I had theair vents above the seat pointed
at my nose, thinking that itwould get me more oxygen.
Like this is what was going onTo the extent where, like I was
almost in tears, thinking I'mnot going to survive the next

(11:44):
two hours.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
And did the girls you know the stewardesses and stuff
did they come in?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
No, nobody came near me.
I didn't.
No, no.
I was trying to be asinconspicuous as possible, like
a lot of people around me wereasleep but I was massively like
for ages on the flight and itreally scared me, so anyway.
So yeah, the consultant kind ofagreed.
He's like I'm glad that yourecognised that maybe it was

(12:11):
that kind of you know maybeanxiety attack or something like
that.
He's like I know myself that isnot a nice thing when you get to
that situation.
So I think he could relate itto maybe experience stuff of
himself.
So that put my mind at ease abit.
But yes, we agreed thatbasically I I would have surgery
for the deviated septum um.
So I've been waiting a coupleof months and I'm going to get

(12:33):
that done in two weeks.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
But it's two weeks today, is it?

Speaker 1 (12:36):
it's two weeks today, yeah two weeks today I'll be
getting that.
So that is under generalanesthetic.
So then that opened up thiswhole thing, okay.
Well, what's the crack withmedication and general
anaesthetic?
Is there anything there?
I thought you know there won'tbe, it'll be grand.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
So what was your first kind of port of call then,
or who was your first point ofport of call to speak to about
that?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Honestly Google.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Not lying, it was Google.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, yeah, google.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, yeah, Not lying , it was Google, yeah, yeah,
yeah, google was to see.
Did it give me any informationon if there was anything between
, like, glp-1 medications and ageneral anaesthetic?
Just see, was there any kind ofreaction that happens between
that?
And as I started looking intoit then I was like, oh, there is

(13:23):
a medical risk actually whenyou're on a general anesthetic,
when you're on a GLP-1 andyou're getting a general
anesthetic.
So essentially, what I thinkit's to do with is a form of
aspiration which, from what Ican gather, is that essentially
your digestive system is sloweddown, obviously when you're on

(13:44):
the GLP-1 medication and whenyou go under the glp-1
medication and when you go underthe general anesthetic.
I think it's something likethere could be a risk then of
that delayed digestion suddenlyjust releasing um, which can
cause problem.
I think it now I could be wrongon that.
I absolutely could be wrong.
So then obviously I went and Icontacted a few of the

(14:06):
prescribers, asked themquestions, was getting some
mixed things, mixed answers fromthem.
But then obviously I went tothe consultant and the
anaesthetist that is going to beworking with me and they came
back with yes, we want you offthat medication two weeks before
your surgery.
We want you off that medicationtwo weeks before your surgery.
So for the next two weeks Iwill not be taking Mungero, but

(14:31):
it's going to be longer thanthat, based on what I know at
the moment.
Because, again, the guidance isthat the other side.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Scary the thoughts of it.
I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Like the other side of the surgery, then the kind of
guidance that I've received sofar and maybe this will change,
I don't know, but the guidanceI've received so far is that
there could be a number of weeksafter the surgery where I might
be off it.
Um, because, again, if youthink of the way it works, it
slows down.
You know your digestive systemand when you're sick or in your

(15:00):
healing you want your body to beable to absorb nutrients and
the food and the goodness fromyour food as quickly and as
effectively as possible.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
So is that what they're saying then?
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Now, as I say, look, that might change after the time
, but right now I'm kind ofpreparing myself that basically
I could be maybe a month-ish orso off the medication.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Without it, without it, medication without it
without it.
So did you look up um how longafter you finish a glp1
medication does it take toactually come leave your body
completely?

Speaker 1 (15:34):
so I be, and again, this is based on the app that I
use that shows the medicationlevel oh yeah, yeah, shot C.
Yeah, I don't know how medicallyaccurate this is, so just to
call that out.
But yes, so when I look at it,basically I can look from okay,
if I took my dose last night andmy surgery's in two weeks time,

(16:00):
what level of medication wouldbe in my body at that point?
And what it is telling me isthat on the 6th of february, the
day that I am due to have mysurgery, that my level is
estimated to be about about sixmilligrams okay which is, which

(16:22):
is higher than what I thought itwas going to be, if I'm honest.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
So at the peak of your efficacy, of your week of
the drug.
What would be the highest levelif two weeks time is going to
be Ah?

Speaker 1 (16:41):
no, do you know what Scrap that?
Scrap that Because you can editthat.
Scrap that Because.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
You can edit that out , Paddy.
It's your podcast, mate I don'tbelieve it.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
We're tired.
We already said this.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
We're very tired, do you?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
know what it is.
For some reason yesterday'sdose is recorded twice in the
app, so it won't be sixmilligram.
I was thinking that was toohigh.
Three, then I would say it'sgoing to be about.
I'd say, maybe let's see thesix.
I'd say about four.
Yeah, actually, that's exactlywhat it is.
So on the day of my surgery itshould be about four milligrams.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Okay, still some then .

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Yeah, yeah, but like obviously less than a third than
kind of what's currently in mysystem.
Okay, Again, that's.
I don't know.
I can't stand over howmedically accurate that is.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah, yeah, yeah but.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
I am extremely worried, extremely because the
content creators that I followonline, that share their journey
, that have come off themedication after that kind of
the majority of them, that kindof after that seven, eight day
period is where a lot of themhave started to see that food
noise the hunger, all thatcoming back and that really

(17:52):
worries me.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
So have you, because it's going to come back, you've.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I mean and I know we'll talk about this later I
think it'd be interesting to seewhat happens for myself,
because, again, I don't haveexperience with this, it'll be
an interesting.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
It's going to be great to have it documented,
though.
It's going to be great contentfor people that are out there
that are facing the same thingyou know, and.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I think even in terms of thinking about maintenance
like it'll give me a good ideaand I know we're coming to talk
about that a little bit in a weewhile, but I think it'll be a
good test for me to see.
You know, I'll use the Shotziapp and just see what kind of to
see what doses in my body whenthe hunger comes back or when
the food noise comes back.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
If it does, maybe it doesn't, maybe it won't.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
You know, paddy, have you ever had your food noise
return while you've been on thedrug and you have been waiting
to go up a dose?
I had actually, a few weeks ago, my I was meant to take my dose
at a particular time and Iforgot and about, I'd say, maybe

(18:58):
12 hours after I forgot I wassitting there and I was like oh
my god, I want food and.
I was in standing in the kitchenand I was like, oh, my god, I
want food.
And I was in standing in thekitchen and I was like going for
this like some similar habitsto before, and I actually stood
at the fridge and I was like,why am?
I hungry why am I this hungry?
Why do I want this?
and I wouldn't say it was foodnoise, I'd say it was more your

(19:18):
tummy, yeah, and I wouldn't evenlike actual physical hunger
yeah, I don't know what's eventrue physical hunger, it was
more so that kind of drive to goand eat, almost for the sake of
eating, and I thought what hasgone on?
That's exactly what our habitswere and, like I, went and I had
something to eat, and then Istopped to see okay, is, am I

(19:40):
feeling full after that?
now, yeah and I was.
I did not feel full after thatat all.
But then that's when I sat down, because I'm not just going to
sit here and keep eating,because, again, part of this
journey is you learn, you knowto work on your behaviours and
your habits and understandingthings.
So I had something to eat atthat stage and I kind of sat
there and was like why, why am Ifeeling like this?

(20:02):
I've just eaten, I shouldn't bestill feeling hungry.
This isn't the way the lastseven months have been.
And then it hit me.
I was like you were meant totake your medication like 12
hours ago and you didn't.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
I was like oh, my God .

Speaker 1 (20:14):
So does that worry you now.
Yeah, massively.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
It has to Because I don't even want to ask you the
question because I'm afraid ofthe answer, because I wouldn't
have an answer for it.
But have you or is there even away that you can prepare
yourself to come off of thisdrug when you don't actually
want to Like you're not comingoff it because you've chosen to

(20:37):
do so?
and you feel you have reached apoint in your journey where you
have killed it and you've gotall your new skills down and
your lifestyle changes and allthe rest of it because, as we
know, we've all made theselifestyle changes before, we've
all killed it in the gym andkilled it in everything we've
done, but taking away thatmedication when you don't want

(21:00):
to take it.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, like it scares the shit out of me.
I mean, given that we'relooking at potentially three,
four, I don't even know how manyweeks.
This is the thing Because, likeone person told me, oh, you can
go back on the medication thefollowing week, someone else
told me oh, it'll be a few weeksAre these?

(21:22):
Professionals yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, yeah, because I know you've spoken to a couple,
haven't you a few?
Like when?

Speaker 1 (21:28):
I say professionals.
These are qualified medicalprofessionals.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
I'm talking yes, I know, yeah, yeah, so, like I,
because I asked you earlier whatresearch have you done and you
said well, I went to Googlestraight away, but you never
followed on to say I also wentto.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I would say so in total, because I'm a nerd like
this.
I would say I asked fourdifferent medical professionals
who would be in the know aboutGLP-1s that's the way I'll
phrase it and then theanaesthetist.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
okay as well, tell us about what the anaesthetist
okay as well, and tell us aboutwhat the anaesthetist said in
particular so they've only toldme about the before.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
We haven't had a chat about the after, so the before.
They told me two weeks okay,the other people I asked said
varying from one week, two weeksand three weeks right, so there
was different answers fromdifferent medical professionals
there, varying from one week,two weeks and three weeks.
Right, so there was differentanswers from different medical
professionals there.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
And then when you're going to listen to obviously is
your own anaesthetist.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Well, that's the thing.
Yeah, I mean like I explainedto them because, again, I
thought they might know whatMungero is.
So I said, look, it's verysimilar to like Saxenda or
Zempik or stuff like that, justthe way that it works in the
body.
Or I said, look, it's just aGLP-1 agonist.
So they were like, yeah, it'sfine, but anyway.
So the other thing that I havementioned is as well, is that
the guidance that I've gottenand again, this might change

(22:58):
after the surgery when we seehow recovery is going.
But and actually now I'm justthinking my doctor did say that
I should allow a minimum of atwo week recovery, so that
probably is an indicator interms of medication as well.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I'll obviously have that conversation when I'm in
there, but the other thing is,the initial guidance that I got
was that there would be aconsiderable number of weeks
where I can't do my strengthtraining in the gym as well, of
course, and their logic withthat is you could bust, yeah,
yeah, a vessel in your nose,literally or like put more
pressure through your nose.
You don't even realize you'reflaring your nostrils and you're

(23:32):
tensing yeah, well, yeah,because you do, yeah, yeah, yeah
so so literally, it's the sameas if you were to actually
physically be sick as well.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahyeah, so I know I'm going to be
on painkillers for a whileafterwards.
I have no idea really what toexpect, though, but I am really
worried.

(23:52):
Not worried I'm really reallyon edge a bit more so because,
like it is and I almost feel abit emotional about this because
yeah, I know, I feel emotionalfor you like I have.
I really do dedicated with thisbecause I know I feel emotional
for you, like I have dedicatedso much over the last seven
months to trying to improve myhealth and I know I'm, in a way,

(24:12):
healthier place, and I justdon't just mean weight wise, I
mean in terms of doing mystrength training, doing my
cardio training.
Even this month I'm seeingimprovements in me doing my 5k
and I just feel that and I knowit's for the betterment of my
health this as well, like withwith my breathing which, as I
say, does impact me in the gym.
That is one point where Idefinitely know my nose does
impact me is in the gym, becausewhen you're doing deep breaths

(24:36):
and it's difficult to get theoxygen in um and actually the my
own doctor gave me an inhaler.
I'm not asthmatic, but he gaveme an inhaler to try and help um
open up more oxygen to get intomy body and yeah, to help with
that and for either, when I'm onthe flight, in case that was a
thing that happened again or itsaid try it in the gym.

(24:57):
So I know I don't use them thewhole time.
I absolutely do not need it.
I'm not depending on them oranything like that.
It's not a daily thing, but um.
But it just means that forwe're looking in and around the
ballpark for a month.
Give or take.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
Literally life how I know it is not going to be how I
know it.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I know, I know, like in terms of everything I've been
, doing.
I know, and you know as well,paddy.
The thing is that, like sincemyself and yourself started this
GLP-1 journey, we came from aplace of a lot of food, anxiety
and a lot of food noise.
So have you psychologically hadlike, have you any plans going?

(25:41):
Forward psychologically howyou're going to deal with this
when it happens and when youdon't have the medication in
your system yeah so my approachand I hate asking you because I,
I just I'm so nervous for youyeah, yeah

Speaker 1 (25:56):
it's, it's nerve-wracking yeah, like plan a
right is to try and see howdoes that idea that I've been
working so hard on during thisjourney of intuitive eating, how
does that serve me?
That is not necessarily goingto dull the food noise, but it

(26:18):
should satisfy the physicalhunger needs that I know my body
now needs.
And I think I'm going to use itas an opportunity to really sit
with that when I feel hungry.
Am I really physically hungryor is this that almost like?
I don't say fake hunger becauseit feels real at the time?

(26:39):
Um, like, like if, if I have,say, I had a breakfast that is
substantial, there's no way thatI could need food an hour later
, do you know, even if thesignals from my body are.
So I'm going to try and leaninto that intuitive eating.
See how does that work.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Is that something you've tried previous to GLP
ones?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
I have.
I have.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, but I think I did as well, I bought a book and
read the book and yeah, got theT-shirt.
The whole works.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
But then again it's like it was intuitive eating,
but it was intuitive eating,still with food noise.
So it's not.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, it's not.
Yeah, it's not a comparablething.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
It's not, it's a level playing field, like other
people that don't have thiscondition, um.
So so that's that.
That's the initial thing thatI'm going to try and lean in on
um and then plan b, and I don'treally want to do this, but I'm
fully prepared that if I need todo this for a month or whatever
much time, that I will is backto tracking my food, my calories

(27:44):
, all that that stuff to makesure that I'm not being
excessive.
I have done that before andthis is how I've lost weight
before I've tracked calories.
I'm extremely comfortable withthat.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
I know how much I should need and it's not
triggering for you, is it?

Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's not triggering for me?
No, it's not, it's more so.
It was something that I thoughtI'd never have to do again.
Really, yeah, not it's more so.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It was something that I thought I'd never have to do
again really yeah, and you gotout of the habit of doing it and
not needing to do it andlistening to your body yes, and
now that I suppose that when youmentioned a level playing field
, you now feel that you're on alevel playing field because I
feel the same.
I feel that I have the.
I have the same chances now aseverybody else because of this
medication.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
And if it's not triggering for you, then you
will lean into that.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I lean into it.
Yeah, yeah, I will so.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
And then like in terms of like this is where it's
kind of bittersweet in a way,because I am where's my phone.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
I need to go and check oh no, how far away are
you oh god but you still could,though you still could keep
going.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I know, I know and this thing I said would be
interesting.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I'm not running out.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
So what I'm talking about, folks, is that probably
drop fucking half stone orsomething so I am six pounds.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Away from a hundred pounds.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Away from a hundred pound loss.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
So what the hell?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
But this is where I need to be rational and logical
and know that for this period oftime, the priority needs to be
my body and giving it thenutrients it needs and fueling
it for what it needs over thisperiod of time and if that
results in some.
I'm sure it will result in sometemporary weight gain.

(29:39):
I don't know like it could do,um, it mightn't.
Maybe I'll stay the same, Idon't know, um, but I am okay
with that.
I'm okay with that.
You know, we've always said,belinda, this is a way bigger
picture than any one week or onemonth or anything of this
journey.
Oh, my god, you know, you'vebeen on it literally years yeah,
like I've been on it only sevenish months or whatever, um, and

(30:04):
it's bigger than any one weekor any one month.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
So it will be fine.
And it's bigger than any oneweigh-in as well.
Exactly, exactly so it will befine.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
I am curious, though, to see what happens.
And as you say maybe, likebefore, when I have started like
going to the gym and minding myfood and all that kind of stuff
.
I have adhered to that reallywell for a period of time.
So so I am confident in myability to be able to do that
for the period of time.

(30:32):
It's just that, as we know,there was nearly all of the time
that were something wouldtrigger you or you relapsed for
a particular reason, and I'mjust hoping that, like in if it
is four weeks, if, if it is five, whatever that, something like
that won't happen in that periodof time.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So like taking a step back from something that has
been so pivotal to your progressand everything that you've done
right, Do you feel that thispause might teach you something
new about your relationship withfood?

Speaker 1 (31:04):
and your body.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Something new about your relationship with food and
your body.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I think it will serve as a reminder for how my body
and mind felt before thismedication, because I think it's
very easy to forget that and tomaybe take things for granted.
And like I will always beextremely proud of the effort
I've put in, because Idefinitely not somebody that
sees this as like a skinny job.
I have focused literally sinceweek one.
I have been in that gym everysingle week without fail.

(31:36):
I've been in the gym even whenI've gone on holidays.
I've done like, either walkingor I've gone to the gym of the
hotel or I've done somethinglike that, and that's not me now
obsessing about the exercise,like it's more so a case of I've
gone to the gym or the hotel orI've done something like that,
and that's not me now obsessingabout the exercise.
Like it's more so a case ofI've tried to be supporting my
body with the exercise.
If you get me trying to do theright thing.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
And with the food thing I like, obviously a lot of
effort.
My food, by the way, it's notperfectly.
Oh my God, mine isn't either, itit's not perfect, but it's
definitely more, more acceptablenutritional, yeah, more
nutritious, absolutely like yeahsomeone was asking me uh oh
like, would you ever have crispsor chocolate?
I was like yes yeah it's.
The difference is though youcan have it yeah, I can have a

(32:19):
square chocolate, two squareschocolate, and then I'm grand,
that's the difference or notfinish a whole packet of crisps
like yeah or like I'll get thelike this.
For me, this was the gas things.
Like before I would haveordered a set meal for one from
the takeaway which I loved,which had, like, so much food
with it it really could have fedtwo.
I would have finished all thatand sides and now I can't even

(32:44):
finish the main and the rice.
I know like I know I'm not sad.
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'm not sad about it either, I love getting a Chinese
, because it does me for twodinners oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
And this thing, like I'm still getting the flavours,
I'm getting my sweet and sourchicken.
I get to taste it.
So like I'm not, I don't feel.
I'm also aware that, liketaking that amount of time off
from my strength training, it'svery likely that I'll see some
losses in my strength over thatperiod of time.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Because you can't Paddy.
You know that.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
I can't, I can't.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
You can walk you can go for a long walk, yeah, but
that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
I've done a lot of walking in January, though, and
jogging.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I know that's enough now.
Enough is enough.
How many more days have you got?
What was I saying?
Nine Week?

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Week Eight days.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
It is 31 days, isn't?

Speaker 1 (33:33):
there in January.
Why didn't I pick it?
I should have done it inFebruary.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
You should have done it in February, 28 days in
February, dude.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, in case you don't know, is for the month of
January.
So for the month of January Iset myself a target of doing
five kilometres every day in aidof women's aid, to try and
raise as much money as I could.
So we're currently at over athousand euro, which I am blown
away by oh, brilliant yeah yeah,yeah, like my initial target
was 500 and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I keep forgetting remind me, I keep forgetting to
share it.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, so I'm delighted but yeah, if you're
somebody that has donated, thankyou so much.
If you're somebody that hasn't,why nobody has?

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Paddy, you're not missing.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Shut up, I'm not backtracking, no, it's it is for
an extremely worthy cause andI've wanted to.
I know we spoke about thisbefore, but like I've wanted to
do something like thisspecifically for, like a woman's
charity or female charity for along time, so, yeah, sort of
delighted to get to it, butanyway, so that is the crack

(34:39):
with me coming off.
Munjarro, I am absolutelyshitting it.
I really am.
It is causing me a bit ofanxiety yeah, something, some
kind of worry in my body, butequally I know, as you kind of
say, belinda, it is going to bean extremely interesting
experiment to see what is itlike.

(34:59):
And what is it like coming backon it again afterwards, because
I still don't even know whatdose I'm going to start back on.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
That was my next question.
Yeah, I don't know know what?

Speaker 1 (35:05):
dose.
I'm going to start back on.
That was my next question.
Yeah, I don't know when are yougoing to go.
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Like again, and who are you going to talk to about
that?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
My current prescriber .

Speaker 2 (35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
And well, actually, obviously the anaesthetist and
the consultant as well, because,like I, want to get their input
as well?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
No, will they only be able to tell you the when and
not the how much?

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Oh sorry sorry, yeah, yeah, this one.
It's been a long week, folks,it's been a long week.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I know it's been a long week.
Everyone's happy, we're here.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Really they actually are, because I.
By the way we're recording thison Thursday night.
There's like the and like whenI was out in my five cars I was
like you know what I say toBelinda that we'll do the
podcast tomorrow and I'll get itout tomorrow evening instead.
We could have.
No, we couldn't have.
Belinda, there's a storm, we'reprobably not going to have
electricity.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Oh, we won't have any electricity.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Nobody will be listening to us anyway.
We'll be all on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I just want to say I'm amazed you remembered what
this week's podcast was aboutyou do know, I had it on an
alarm at six o'clock on my phone, that said, and we wanted to
talk about maintenance as well,didn't we also?

Speaker 2 (36:13):
you know, if people are listening to this podcast
and they have been throughsomething that Paddy is going
through, you can contact Paddythrough his Instagram account,
which is manjaro paddy, or dropus an email you can contact.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Paddy through his Instagram account, which is
Manjaro Paddy, yeah, or drop usan email, hello at thedoseie,
but yeah.
So one of the things that kindof, I guess, came into my mind
when I was thinking about thiswas and it's funny, we were
thinking about this the exactsame day you sent me a WhatsApp
voice note when I had beenthinking about the exact same

(36:48):
thing.
We hadn't said it before aboutmaintenance, maintenance Because
I had this sudden realizationthat wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Nearly there.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Hopefully, like come summertime, I'm going to be
maintaining, not continuing tolose weight.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I intend to be as well.
Yeah, I know, yeah, lose weightand that's not that far away.
Yeah, I know, yeah, crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I haven't given that much thought.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Yeah, we haven't given it thought at all, because
I think we're just so focusedon the number that we want to
reach and I want to talk aboutthat as well, because that's not
a good kind of state of mind tobe in either, but we have been
focused on a lot of differentthings, you know we have.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, like I say for myself, like the number, I still
don't have a number like Istill don't know what number I
don't know what number, likeother people seem obsessed about
my number, but I like what'syour number, what's your number,
what's your number?
I'm like, yeah, I don't know,like I keep.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I keep throwing out this 103 pounds because I want
to lose.
I want to get to 100 poundslost but I still want three
extra pounds to be able tojiggle.
I don't like I don't even knowif I've lost weight in the past
two weeks because I haven't evensecond stood in the scales
because I don't care.
I'm just going to the gym doingmy Pilates, doing my walking,
eating my food, doing myInstagram.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yeah, talking to you like an idiot all day, every day
.
That's a rumour.
Start Well wrong trees.
But like I have a t-shirt inthe other room from and I have
newspaper articles or magazinearticles from three, four years
ago when I started this socialmedia thing.

(38:27):
At the time again, anotherweight loss attempt Road to 100,
it was called and this was myjourney to lose 100 pounds.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
When was this?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Maybe three, four years ago, something like that.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
And I was on the front of the newspaper.
I had written a whole bigarticle for a magazine.
I'd done like loads of stuffall about this and I started it
and I'd done a few videos on it.
There's some videos even onYouTube still about it.
But as happens, life happenedand it stopped.
And I didn't get anywhere.
I didn't get anywhere near, noteven halfway near, the £ pounds

(39:06):
loss, um, but at that time Ithink I was about 315 pounds and
sorry folks if you work instones or kilos.
I, over the years, I've forcedmyself to work in pounds because
it seems I have to relate itall back to stones and pounds.
Yeah, For me it's more so.
It's quicker, not quicker winsit's yeah, does it sound better

(39:32):
to you.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I think it's that you see a Because it's a big stone
isn't there.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
And you always have to do pounds with it.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah Well, you'd usually see a pound loss quicker
on the scale than you would akilo or a stone.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, so it was oh, absolutely, that was my logic.
That was totally my logic.
You're right, yeah.
Yeah, that was my logic, yeah,and I've just stuck with that.
You're probably right, actually, yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
And also you don't.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Go on.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Sorry, like I know, the last time for an appointment
and he was like, what's yourweight?
And I said pounds or stones,and he said kilos and I was like
oh, get out of town kilos.
I was like, let me do a quick,like two kind of two and a half.
Yeah, I said I think I thinkabout this.
I said, do you work in kilos?

(40:21):
He's like, yeah, we typicallywork in kilos.
I was like, oh interesting.
I was like I can tell you inpounds, no problem.
But he couldn't translate thepounds.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That's mad.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
And so he got his little calculator thing out and
did it, Paddy you never seem tomind putting yourself out there
where your weight loss isconcerned.
Yeah, when you think about youdid the biggest loser.
You went in there and said thisis me, I'm going to do this,
I'm going to lose this weight.
And then you did, and then youwent on to do the life on 100

(40:52):
pounds.
Is that what you said, sorry?

Speaker 1 (40:55):
The road to 100, I've done loads of different things.
I think this is where some ofthe trolls will be like oh,
you're just a lifelong dieterand you're this, that and the
other, and I can see why theywould think that.
But I think they're saying itfrom a very different place from
the way I'd be saying it interms of yeah, yeah, I have
suffered, I have lived a life ofconstantly trying to lose

(41:16):
weight you know, whereas they'remore so saying it like um oh
you're always at it, yeah you'rea constant failure because you
don't you never achieve it.
But other thing that'sinteresting that struck me
yesterday is that, based on myweight loss as of today, this

(41:38):
week, I have now lost more onthis journey than I did when I
was on the Biggest Loser.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Stop.
That's amazing.
That's a different time frame.
That's something to keep inmind.
It's a very different timeframe.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
This is a smart.
No, Briggs-Lewis was smaller.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Smaller?
Yeah, but that wasn't.
It just wasn't sustainable,paddy.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
No, of course not.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
That lifestyle that they had forced upon you Now.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I would do it again in the morning.
I bet you would it was, andlike I'm way, more prudent.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
A blast was it.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
It was such I know we spoke about this so I don't
want to rehash but it was such Iknow we spoke about this so I
don't want to rehash but it wassuch a phenomenal experience and
the most amazing people, themost amazing people One of whom,
of course, is Angie Dowds, whosadly died Passed away, yeah,
yeah, from suicide, kind of theyear that it aired, oh.

(42:34):
Lord but that is also, myselfand Angie become extremely close
and I'd been over in Londonwith her just six, seven days
before she passed away and I'dbeen up in her house with her
and myself and Peter had beenchilling with her and having the
crack and everything.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
So this was before it aired, or?

Speaker 1 (42:54):
After it aired.
So it aired in the JanuaryFebruary time and we lost Angie
then in November.
Yeah, 20th of November.
How old was she Paddy Old, soshe was born 1969.
So she would have been like 40s, near 40s.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
Very uncommon 69.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, no, 50.
I don't know Very uncommon 69.
Yeah, no, 50.
69.
I don't know, because I gotsome charity t-shirts at the
time done Because Angie had ahuge following.
I mean massive following online.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
So what was her part in the show then?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
She was my trainer.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Oh right, okay.
Oh, yes, you've told me this.
I beg your pardon, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, she was 42.
She was the age I am now.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
Imagine Crikey yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Yes, sir, and she did .
She had demons and she hadtroubles and stuff like that.
But I'll never forget the daythe PR company rang me because
they knew how close you were.
And yeah, they were just likePaddy, we need to talk to you.
And I was like oh god, and thenI thought, oh, have I done
something wrong?
have I said something on air,yeah because I was doing TV

(44:10):
stuff at that time for like TV3and stuff, and I was like, oh
god, and we, as I touched onbefore, we had a five-year
contract with Biggest Loserafter we finished.
So I thought, oh God, what haveI done?

Speaker 2 (44:20):
What do you mean?
A five-year?
How would that work out then?
What were you supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So pretty much for five years afterwards, the
company essentially had theright to have a say on what kind
of publicity work or stuff wedid or didn't do, or brand stuff
we did or didn't do.
Yeah, but they were fantasticwith me.
I never had like in this way.
I think I had such a positiveexperience of Biggest Loser Like

(44:46):
I did of the people, thetrainers and you would have
helped.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
obviously she was a massive part of it.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
Like, yeah, more than people know, people will ever
know.
But yeah, when the productioncompany rang me, they were like
Paddy, yeah, we've had reportsof this and we just want you to
know.
And I was like devastatingright and I was like I was only
with her a few days ago andjarring, isn't it?
I was like how, how sure are youof what you've heard?

(45:14):
Like, is it just hearsay or hasit been confirmed?
And they're like, no, it isyeah, we're like very certain.
I was like okay, and I just andat that time and this is not me
trying to name drop I honestlymean that that this isn't
because I'm I'm not that typepeople that know me it's not.

(45:35):
But just tell the story, paddy,it's okay but at that time as
well, I remember not that typePeople that know me, it's not
Just tell the story, paddy, it'sokay.
But at that time as well, Iremember Davina McCall ringing
me one evening and me just onthe bed fucking bawling my eyes
out, and her just being soabsolutely amazing as well, and
just being so supportive andjust being a person there.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I love Davina, I follow her.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Yeah, and like this was like pretty much a year,
actually nearly a year after theshow had finished filming, like
we'd well the most we hadfinished film.
We recorded the final, let'ssay, in february, but from the
main chunk of it.
So, like you know, in my mind Iwas probably just another
contestant on another show.
You know that davina had kindof hosted, but yeah yeah, um,

(46:15):
she was yeah, so I do getdefensive if anyone says
anything bad between me.
Oh it's fake, it's this that.
So she's like.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
She was very sick herself, like extremely sick.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
But yeah, so anyway, one of the things is where this
story was going is and I'vetalked about this in one of my,
I've talked about it a few timesover the years in terms of, and
where I'm getting to here ismaintenance.
This is all linked tomaintenance.
Back at that time when the daythat I moved home from England,
which was the I think it was theday at the Biggest Loser, the

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Fine Laird, I think it couldhave, I think it was, I think,
off the ferry back from Englandthat day.
But I met Angie for lunch inLondon and she had bought me
this Austin Reed velvet jacketthat I had worn the night of the
final that we filmed it forwalking out on stage as a gift.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
And.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I was able to wear it for a small period of time
because I started regainingweight pretty quickly afterwards
.
So for me, one of the keymeasures of I'm almost there is
being able to fit that jacket onme, and that is way more
important than any number willever be on the scale, because

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I've been waiting 14 years forthat jacket to fit me again.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Have you tried it?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I have tried it.
I tried it before christmastime um wasn't there then um,
but I do see it I, I kind of seeit hopefully happening.
Yeah, I'd say between where arewe now?
Like we're say, end of january.
So and I say I don't know whatway fe's going to go because of
the things we spoke about.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, I was just going to say maybe leave it till
.
Leave it till a month after orso.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
I would say that I would love to be able to wear
that during the summertime, likeearly summer.
I'd love to be able to goaround wearing that.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
That's a goal, isn't it?
Yeah, it is NSV, as they say,non-scale victory.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Yeah, and this is like, maintenance is way more
than just maintenance, it's allit's these other things.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Can I?
I have a lovely message thatsomebody sent me on.
Instagram about maintenance andthis lady her name is Harper and
we myself and Harper have.
She's from San Diego inCalifornia, and we've been
speaking online on Instagram fortwo solid years, as of the 16th

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of January this month.
It's so funny and she's just.
This woman is just stunninglybeautiful and gorgeous.
So I put out a call and askedpeople you know, have they been
in maintenance and what's theirexperience of it?
And Harper wrote that was thescariest part for me, honestly,

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it's still a day to day journeyunderpinned by the choices I
make, but it was a true life,the true lifestyle changes that
saved me.
If you don't nail down not onlythose good habits, but the root
of what got you there in thefirst place, like

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psychologically and emotionally,it's harder.
The other advice I'd wantpeople to know is to be careful
about getting to a specificnumber and staying there.
You don't want to feel likeyou're chasing a number for the
rest of your life.
It's weird for me to say justfind your set point, but once
you get towards the end of yourjourney, your body will signal

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it.
I have fluctuated but managedto keep my weight within five
pounds.
It definitely still takesdiscipline, grace I love it.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
I love it, yeah, and just that's, that's.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
She's just a gorgeous soul you know, and it's so
eloquently written.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
And she's right, she's dead right and everything
she said, yeah, like.
For me, worst case scenariowould be oh, I need to be 15
stone and I have to stay 15stone and I'm not.
I know, that's not the numberI'm saying, I'm just picking a
number yeah yeah, um, but Idefinitely would be off the type
that even when I was um doingpersonal training and working

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with people and they'd be like,oh, I want, you know, I need to
be 11 stones, like, well, youdon't, let's dig into that.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Nobody needs to be anything.
What?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
what about if we said somewhere between like 11 and
12, or yeah, you know, maybe youknow 10 stone 12 and 11 stone
12, or you know, maybe thatrange is a bit healthier because
it gives you a bit more of a uh, uh, a healthier approach to
the kind of to the journey.
So that's definitely where myhead is at in terms of like.

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It's interesting when I wastalking to the doctor and the
doctor asked me he's like,what's your goal weight?
And I said I don't know, I don'tknow, I don't have one.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
That probably stunned him.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, and he's like okay, I said to be linked to a
number, but obviously a smallerbody will make that easier to
achieve.
So, like I've other things thatI want to get done, like a vo2

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max test, where they kind oftest the oxygen, how well your
body is kind of and yourdexascan is coming up soon as
well.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Dexascan is coming up soon as well.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Dexascan is coming up , yeah, next week.
So I had a Dexascan done inlate September, early October,
around the time I started mystrength training, and I'm
getting it done again now.
I have no idea what to expect,like I don't know if that's too
soon to get it done again, oranything.
Like it could be.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You should have asked the radiographer or the chap
that does it.
You should reach out to them.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Well, like the way that I'm thinking about it is
like weight-wise.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
when I had my last DEXA scan done, yeah, how much
weight have you lost since then?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Over two stone.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Over two stone more.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
When is it booked in for Monday?
Oh right, okay, so likeliterally a few days, over two
stone more.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
when is it booked in for Monday?
Oh, right, okay so likeliterally a few days.
But the thing that I'minterested in like the research
that I've seen about muscle loss, specifically when you're on
this type of journey- is thatit's in and around.
I think it's about 25% loss iswhat is expected to be seen yeah

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, because people are screamingat me about it in my comments.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I think it's about 25% loss is what is expected to
be seen.
Yeah, because people arescreaming at me about it in my
comments.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Yeah, so like muscle loss will happen on any weight
loss journey, typically Any.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
So it can.
You know it's a part of weightloss and that's why it's
important to you know.
Be focusing on your protein, befocusing on your strength
training.
That's why there is an emphasison this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Yes, you want your protein because it keeps you
fuller for longer as well, butalso it is literally one of the
key foundational things forhealthy kind of muscles and that
for you, but the narrative isfrom these people is that it's
the drug that the minute youinject yourself with any kind of
GLP-1, that medication goesinto your system and it eats
away at your muscles.

(53:19):
This is the narrative thatthey're talking about and it's
completely and utterly wrong.
Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I don't know, like that 25% loss.
I don't know how much of thatis a reaction to medication or
if it's all just from Losingweight.
The weight or that.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
yeah, I'm not sure to medication, or if it's all just
from losing the weight or that?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
yeah, I'm not sure.
But so what I'm interested tosee is essentially, when I get
it next week versus last time.
Like two stones is a fairlysignificant amount of weight
still to have lost.
Will I'm more so than that?
My body has changed a lot sincethen yeah, so it will show like

(54:00):
yeah a lot has changed, sothere's something there I'm
interested about as well.
But um, yeah, I'm interested outof that um those pounds.
I've lost 28, 30.
Whatever amount it is does, amI seeing 25 reduction in muscle
mass in my body?
Yes, oh yeah or am I seeingless or more?

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Yeah so that's, and there hasnot been.
I don't because, keep in mind,I've been doing strength
training during this period oftime as well and I'm not going
to yes and I'm not aware of anyclinical trial yet that has been
done specifically on people ona glp1 who are strength training
um to see what is the impact oftheir body.

(54:43):
So it's so.
It's interesting.
It's going to be interesting tosee, yeah um, what it is like.
Initially I was a bit naive.
It's like, oh, it'd be great ifyou know I stayed the same.
I, I, I kind of quickly had abit of a realization like, yeah,
that's probably not going to bethe fact, I probably will have
lost some muscle mass, but I, Iwould hope.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
But you've been working hard.
But you've been working hard inthe gym, paddy, yeah I have
built muscles.
So is that going to counteractit?

Speaker 1 (55:07):
let's see yeah, I'll be, I'll be interested in yeah
yeah, and I guess that's my hopeis that it will be less than
25%.
Yeah, that's what I'm hopingfor.
Yeah, but anyhow, that's thecrack kind of from my side this

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week.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
We do kind of want to go deeper into maintenance
though I think and we want toget a professional on to have a
chat about going into themaintenance phase of the GLP-1
medication, because everybody isgoing to need some guidance on
this soon and I think as wellthat there's not many people out
there that are in themaintenance phase because this

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medication is so new and ofcourse, there is going to come a
year's time when everybody isgoing to be reaching their goal,
or previous to that, and we'llwant somebody to have you know
some insight into it and andthis is where you will find
people in england arespecifically manjaro related.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
people in england are going to be ahead of us because
they've had manjaro since lastmarch april time, so there are
definitely some people there andeven when you say that people
have been ahead of us also, likethis country was stuck with
Ozempic for so long.
And Sexenda yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
And the people that started on Manjaro, for even God
, the difference between myjourney and your journey.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Paddy, do you know what I mean?
And look at different peopleEqually.
There's some people that havebeen on Manjaro that even today
I saw somebody.
Manjaro hasn't worked for me.
I want to look at some of theother ones in one of the groups
that I'm in.
Yeah, so it's interesting andthis is the thing.
Like, not all medications workfor everyone, even Manjaro you
know this thing, I haven't heardthat it's taken a while, yeah,

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for it to kick in, there'll be acohort of people that it won't
work for, but yeah, one dot ones, might, you know, and this is
why, as we say, any medicaldecisions and stuff like that,
you know, speak to to yourdoctor qualified professionals
that can give you the guidanceon that and can help support you
with whatever the medication is, whatever movement of

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medication one to another,because of things we factored in
for all that kind of stuff aswell.
But anyway, yes a futureconversation, and we would love
if you are somebody that iseither maybe you are maintaining
because you've been on one ofthe other medications for a
while, or if you have questionsabout maintenance that you would
like us to put to theprofessionals let us know Again.

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Feel free to email us.
Hello at thedoseie.
I say that's the easiest way,because our inboxes just get
slammed with the otherday-to-day messages, so maybe
email us those ones.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
My message request is just.
I know it gives me anxietylooking at it.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Belinda.
Any other thoughts or finalwords of wisdom from you?

Speaker 2 (58:02):
just want to wish you well, paddy thank you and no
like genuinely, because I can'teven imagine the feelings of
anxiety around it and I don'twant anybody that's listening to
this to think that, oh my god,like the two of them, they're so
dependent on it and blah, blahblah in a negative way.

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It's just that it's had such apositive impact on every single
aspect of our lives that it isnerve wracking.
And you know it's an unknown.
Yeah, and that's the thing, andthat is the.
You know it's an unknown.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah, and that's the thing, and that is the thing.
It's a period of unknown.
And who knows, belinda, as wesay, I could get through the
next month, I could have maybemaintained my weight, I could
have lost a bit more weight, Icould be flying it, you know.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Paddy, I have every faith in the world that you're
going to be absolutely fine.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Well, thank you.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
You've got me behind you.
What more do you need I?

Speaker 1 (59:00):
know, thank you.
You'll be absolutely grand.
Just keep your like ninemillion messages a day coming.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Take support.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
People think we're exaggerating.
We're not.
Like literally.
You could wake up at like seveno'clock oh, belinda's in the
gym, oh, you could wake up atlike 7 o'clock oh, belinda's in
the gym, oh, a voice note fromBelinda, oh god.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
but however, I fucking can't believe I'm here
at 7 o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Yeah, I know, I know we don't even say hello to each
other anymore.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
We used to say good morning.
We don't even say good morningstraight into the conversation.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
I was thinking about this write this shit down cool.
We will wrap it up there, folks.
Thank you very much forlistening and I'll do the music
again.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Oh wait you've got it .
I can probably get it on myphone again.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Can I do?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Paddy, I will see you in the studio next Monday at
6pm.
You know I was on my Instagramgiving out about you earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Really Okay, I need to check that.
Okay, let's see.
Can I get some end music?
Yeah, you are.
Oh, that's us saying goodbye.
Where's our music?
Oh no, I can't.
Oh no, that's the wrong podcast.
Oh, it's gone on to help usexit the boss.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Oh my Lord, Okay.