Rebuilding Confidence, One Outfit at a Time with Sarah Lyons [S2E11]

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you're very welcome along to another episode of the Dose with
myself, Paddy. And then you're 1.
Who's the real dose? Linda.
And how are things this week? How are?
You doing good good absolutely no complaints at all.
Just busy and tired but that's that's my life change.
Yeah, no complaints. No, not.
That no complaints, just busy and tired.

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Belinda, we know, we know. You're always super well
organized. Yeah.
And obviously we had agreed 7:00this evening.
So what did you message me aboutan hour ago?
Oh, I wrote down 730 in my diary.
Yeah, when you. Down in your diary half 7.
Yeah, and you specifically told me, Belle, write down 7.
I didn't do that. Like a really instructive

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Belinda, go get your diary right. 7:00 PM on.
I thought 730 looked better. Yeah, I went.
Yeah, sure. You must be thinking Coronation
Street or something. Maybe Belinda, we have a guest
with us again this week. I'm so excited.
And there is this from the start.
I do like having this, like people with us from the start as
well. So it's really.
Yeah, I I'll let you do the intros.

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Fire away. Excellent.
Thanks very much, Paddy. So this evening we have Sarah
Lyons. So Sarah is an image consultant,
personal stylist and body confidence coach based in Dublin
and also the heart behind well Styled dot IE.
After navigating her own journeythrough motherhood, uh, body

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change and reconnecting her sense of self, Sarah became
passionate about helping other women do exactly the same thing.
She's the creator of signature packages like The Happy Wardrobe
Edit and the Shine, Excuse Me, The Shine Bright experience
designed to meet women where they are now, helping them
rediscover their style, declutter their wardrobe with

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kindness and embrace garments that celebrate who they are
today, recognise locally and nationally.
Sarah blends practical styling with a warm, empowering coaching
style. And Sarah's mantra is body
confidence doesn't come from chasing the perfect body, it

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comes from embracing the one you've got.
And I absolutely love that. Sarah, you're welcome.
Welcome, Sarah. Bye.
You're so welcome on here. Yeah, it's good, isn't it?
Thank. You, you're welcome with me.
You have to take that. Yeah.

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Oh, you, you can, you can put iton your CV.
It's fine. Yeah.
Belinda, I think you do have like another career.
There are somewhere of like writing like Hallmark cards or
something like that as well. Bring it out the best in people,
yeah. I'm delighted to be here, guys.
It's great. Good.

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It's great to. Have you?
Because this came on the back ofa conversation.
Maybe, uh, maybe. I know it was four or five weeks
ago myself and Blinder were talking.
Could be not, I don't know. And I think Belinda, you'd been
out shopping that day. And I think I've been out
shopping that day. And we're just like, come back
and forth in like her 9,000,000 voice notes.
What's happens? We do like every day.
And then it was like, oh, my God, wouldn't be great.
Actually. Let's talk about like style and

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like fashion and something that at times can feel like a bit of
a taboo, particularly if you're somebody in a larger body, you
can like, oh God, I just have towear the clothes that go on.
Me that's. There to thinking about yeah
style. I know as a man, I've definitely
felt like that at times where I'm like what cover me as
opposed to what can you know what will work with me type of

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thing. Umm so yeah, so we're really
excited then the more we thoughtabout it to kind of get you on
as well. So thank you so much, umm for
agreeing with us. Umm, so I know blended a great
intro there at but I would love to know maybe tell us a little
bit about yourself in your own words or maybe what got you into
like the area of doing umm like style for people and acting as

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consultant for them that like yeah, what kind of brought you
down that path, Sir? Umm, well this is a a total
career shift for me. I started off in retail
pharmacy. I'm a pharmacy technician.
I was for worked in pharmacies for 20 years and I feel really
old when I say that I'm like 20 years, but I started when I was
like 18, so that's OK. And umm, I had my 2 girls.

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I had them kind of two years apart and I gave up work and I
was at home and I was feeling a little bit sorry for myself
because I suppose I always say motherhood wasn't, you know,
the, the Mary Poppins experience.
I thought it was going to be. And I felt a little bit last
and, you know, my style had gone.

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I wasn't getting dressed for really any purpose, only to
bring them to school or crash orsome or not even crashed
Montessori. And I just felt a little bit
lost in myself. And clothes had always been an
outlet, even though I'd worn uniforms for years and years.
But like, they'd always be like,you had a purpose.
You were getting up, you're getting dressed, you know, you
might have your nails done, yourhair done, all that kind of

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stuff. So that just wasn't a priority
anymore. So I was sitting in the car one
day and I said I saw an ad to bean image consultant on Facebook.
And I said, doesn't that sound like a wonderful opportunity for
me, but also to help other women?
I'd no idea what an image consultant did.

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I knew like about personal shoppers and personal stylists,
but like, image consulting really spoke to me.
And by the time I'd gotten out of the car, I'd paid the deposit
and I was signed up for, I thinkit was starting in a couple of
months. And I was like, great, just do
it. And I just wrote my husband, I
said, you're going to have to take care of the children now
for these dates and I'd be gone.And he was like great, great,

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very supportive. And it was actually a really
wonderful experience for me because I got my groove back and
I'd always been entrepreneurial anyway.
I'd had a business in the past, umm, and I just wanted to get
back into that space of having my own business, being
self-employed, but being able towork around the children and in

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my own time. So I did my styling first and
then I trained in color consultation where you, you, you
color analyze people. And then it was all put together
and I was like, great, you're going to start my business now.
This is amazing. And then it was harder than you
think, you know, that kind of way when you start off, you're
all gung ho and it's like, yay. But it took a while because, you

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know, consulting like that or image consulting or personal
Chapel is quite personal and youhave to build up a bit of a
relationship with or a reputation, you know.
So once I started to do that andI got my first client and I was
like, Oh my God, it's amazing. I'm just, you know, and it was
all very positive. And I just enjoyed the fact
that, OK, I got my spark back and now I was able to share with

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other women. So I started, you know, so you
do body shape, you do color. And then personal shopping was
another service that I do as well.
Go into the shops and you know the joy when I would find the
outfit, you know the the absolute joy in a dressing room
where someone goes, Oh my gosh, this is amazing.

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Wow and Sarah just I hate interrupting but I just need to
know this. So does does your client go with
you or do you go and source umm items for them and take them
back to them? Or how does that work?
No, no, though the client comes with me, right.
But you see the, the, I suppose what happens a lot of women is

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that shopping becomes a dauntingexperience.
Whereas I, I've, I've had this natural ability to go into shops
before and scan, I scan a lot ofthings.
I would take in a lot of visual stuff and I'd go, there's all
your trousers, there's all you know, and I'd have it scanned in
a, in a minute or two and I'd go, right, OK, this is really
handy for me because now I know where everything is and I know

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what my client is looking for. So I, we look around, I pop them
into a dressing room and I say, right, I'm going to bring the
things back to you because that's what the fear is around.
Sometimes you're like and the effort and you're in a small
space and it's like. It's the worst.
You know it is the worst and mirrors are terrible and the
whole atmosphere in a changing room.

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Depending on the store. Depending on the shop.
From shop to shop it varies. Completely stress level wise.
Exactly. So I try to take people to quite
a comfortable space and I'd say you stay here and they're like,
what? And I was like, no, no, I'm
bringing the clothes to you. You're not going to be, you
know, perspiring. You're not going to be wrecked.
I'm just literally going to bring them to you.

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You're going to try them on. We look in the mirror.
If it doesn't work, they're gone.
And then we go again because we'd already have had a
consultation. So we have a little image
consultation. So I know them.
I've seen pictures, we've talkedonline, you know, we've had a
Zoom, I know what they're looking for, have done their
colours. So it's quite easy then to go,

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OK, let's just start and I bringthe stuff to them, yeah.
And so you would really have a really good sense in your mind
anyway, where to bring them because you would have been
around all of the stores and youwould know what's going on, I
suppose, with what's just come into stores, the new stock and,
you know, that kind of thing. That's that's just the dream,

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isn't it? You know, for somebody to like a
woman to go into a dressing roomand just have things brought to
her. Yeah.
You know, that she knows is going to suit her.
Yeah. It's, it's amazing.
You know it, really. Is like Sarah Lauder, you're
saying as well like that, like there's so much applies to men
as well. What you were saying, because I
know change in rooms, like the majority of them that I ever go

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into, actually, I don't normallygo to them because I'm going to
feel, I feel uncomfortable in them.
But because usually it's a relatively small cubicle that
you're in, you'll have like a curtain that's like pulled over.
Maybe you'd have these like ridiculously bright lights that
you're like, Oh my God, it what color is this that I'm actually
looking at? Like like I, I now before I say

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this, I do need to say I have a touch of red, green colour
blindness as well. So this feeds into this, I
think. Well, maybe, but I bought a pair
of trousers and I was like, oh, they're nice grey trousers and I
spent one recently and I said whatever, I looked them, I was
like, they look a bit different.They look different than in the
shop. Or Paddy I.
Brought the moment I said, I said to my husband Peter, I was

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like, Peter, what colour are they?
And he looks and he's like, umm,no, they're green.
He's like, he's like, they look great, but they are green.
I was like, and then I had to goand look at the label.
I was like, fuck the arcade. Yeah, Oh, poor.
Paddy, I was like, I just it's, it's just, I'm sure people have
things well, where you'll see something in the shop yourself

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that you think, oh, I'll get that.
And then you get it home and tryit on your own house And you're
like, this looks nothing like how it looked like in the shop
or like just the lighting or thesetting or whatever is
different. But again, just that experience
of going in, potentially queuingand waiting.
And then if you want to share what?
I. Was better yeah like if you want
to show the out with Yvonne to somebody as well it's just like
oh God and then you're like and we're walking out here pulling

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this top up and down with these pairs and jeans faffing in front
of these strangers and like their mother and their wife and
you're like oh it's just I I find it stressful even most.
People do. Yeah, a lot like the majority of
my clients will come and say to me, I hate shopping.
Like that's, that's the first thing and I need clothes like,
OK, we got to get this sorted. So like the time of day you go

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shopping comes into this. I only do early morning, I do
10:00, I do 11:50. That's it.
Because there's no, it's not busy.
Do you know what I mean? Don't really do Saturdays.
Only if my client can only do Saturdays would we do a Saturday
but like a mid week or a Monday?10:00 We're in the shops,

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everything is. Nobody's around.
Because they just opened so and then there isn't this rush of
people and boogies and prams, you know that kind of way.
Everything is. I try and make it as comfortable
as possible, but it is a manufactured setting.
It's not your home own home. So when you do even get it home,
you're like, oh God, it's not the same because you say the

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lights beaming, roasting, you'relike, Oh my God.
And it is. And I understand that stress
because I've been there myself before and you're this is
terrible. It's an awful situation to be
in. So having put someone to do that
for you is is a game changer. And.
Course, yeah. When we try, when my clients try

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on the clothes now it may look good on the hanger and I go that
this works, but if it's on the person and I go, Nope, it's
gone. Do you know what I mean?
We don't we're not settling. I'd always say that.
I said it's not just we're goingOK, that's fine.
No, that's not what we're going for.
It's, it's going to work for youreally well.
So it's all about trial and error.

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We try stuff on, I show how to style it.
We go back out again and, and, and build on that and then we go
to a few different shops. But I, as I said, I have done
the research. So some people like to shop in
particular shops. So I'll go there, make sure they
have sizing, make sure they havethe the stuff that we want
rather. Than do that.

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You'll do that before you go with your client.
Yeah, yeah, brilliant. OK.
Before, the day before or possibly two days beforehand,
because sometimes they do a massive change in a, you know,
they'll bring out a new collection.
Then they're like, OK, well, where's the XY and Z gone?
So I try and get in as close to the appointment as I can so that
I know that we're not wasting any time and we're not going Oh

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my God, there's nothing here. I'd never want my client to feel
that like there'll be nothing for them because that defeats
the purpose. So I'm there to show them the
styles that work for them, but also that they they could be
able to buy on the day. And like that kind of first
step, Sarah, like say, if you have somebody that reaches out
to you and they're going throughphysical changes in their body

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for whatever reason, that could be anything from, I'm guessing
like I was speaking to somebody today that they had a double
mastectomy. You could have somebody that's
gone through menopause. You could have somebody that
say, has lost weight. So like there can be various
reasons obviously why, you know,a woman's body can change shape.
What's that kind of first step that you take with them to try

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and begin that process to, I guess I don't know, is it to try
and figure out what's going to make them more confident?
Is it like how? What's the start of the process
like in terms of yeah? Getting them ready.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, the first process,
like the first is always a phonecall and then to jump on a call
if I'm not going out to their home, like a lot of my

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consultations will be in in their own home.
Or if not, I will do a Zoom call.
And it's just to talk about how you're feeling right now in your
body. And I work around that.
So it's where is my client at right now?
How are they feeling about theirbody?
What's that journey been like? You know, whatever they want to

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disclose to me, obviously is held in complete confidence.
I treat it like a coaching, you know what I mean?
It's all it because I want to help, But sometimes we need to
know the background. So I can be very sensitive
around different areas, different parts of people.
Some people don't want to show tops of arms, legs, things like

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that. So we'd have to be, I have to be
very sensitive about that. I'm very, umm, aware.
So I like to get to know my client and it's funny when
you're shopping with someone or when you're in someone else's
home, you do get to know them and you're just chatting and
it's, you know, little bits And I'd be asking different
questions to try and get a senseof where they're at because it

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is about the whole person. It's not just about the clothes.
It like I have to like I say I meet them where they at are at
now because it and I always say it's not a makeover.
Do you know what I mean? It's not trying to change you.
This isn't this is about bringing out the best possible
version of you and helping you increase your confidence and

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close you can do on the outside,but we also try and work the
body confidence coaching comes in like for the internal, for
the internal work. And they both go hand in hand.
So like the external is very easy to change, but it's, it's
the mindset shift that has to happen to connect them both.
And, but it's not about changingyou.

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It's about discovering a bit more about you.
So the clothes can reflect that.Like, I'd never try and change
someone's, you know, if everyonehas a particular style
personality, like everyone is like, you could be creative, you
can be natural, you can be fashion forward.
There's so many different, you know, areas that you can go

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into. I'd never change that.
It's just about trying to get that those clothes that work for
you, but bring out your personality and show people like
who you are and you know, like, how do you want to show up in
the world? That's one of my questions.
Like how do you want to be seen?Who who do you want to to tell

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people who you are? And clothes have that power.
And that must be so emotional togo through that journey with
women because there is so much emotion behind changes in your
body, so much emotion about trying to become the person that
you want people to see you as, you know where your clothes are

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concerned. And that like, it must get
really emotional. It does like there's always the
surface of ocean initially, because I think people can be
quite nervous. They're like, oh, what you're
gonna say what you're gonna say about what I'm wearing.
And I get that a lot. Oh, well, I'm just wearing and
I'm like, it does not, it's all fine.
Just mean I don't judge at all. And like, you know, it's, it's
not about that. It's just, yeah, it can get that

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emotional and then as you peel away the layers, it, the
emotional change happens within the person because they might
just need to release something, they might become aware of
something that they go, God, that's that thought I've had in
my head for most of my life. And, you know, now I'm just go,
maybe that's not true. Or, you know, I've been looking

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at it from a different perspective.
And, and that's why I love the coaching part of it because we
get to that and we peel back thelayers and it could take 4
sessions, it could take 6 sessions.
But you know, you get that breakthrough.
And then the styling part of it comes in as that little
finishing touch to, to unite thetwo that you can be externally

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confident in the clothes you're wearing, but they're reflective
of you and you feel that you deserve to be wearing all of
this because it's so emotional. Clothes are.
Like it's, it's funny you mentioned that.
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that about deserving to be
wearing things. I remember back in a former life
when I was on one of my previousmany, many weight loss attempts.

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And I remember I, I was wearing a brand at the time and somebody
who was a, a fitness professional and fairly high
profile, one said to me, you have not earned the right to
wear that brand because of my, my size.
And I was shocked. And they, yeah, I think they

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thought, wow, in some absurd wayto motivate me.
But that is something that has stuck with me anytime when I go
shopping. And I would say that it's only,
I'd say really this year and probably maybe the last like 2
to three months where. I'm allowing myself to maybe get

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a little bit more creative with like some of the clothes that I
might buy that it's not just black.
I'm I'm wearing black today, butI I like this again, this is a
brand that I can never wear before and I like it.
So, umm, but like where I'm allowing myself to almost be a
little bit more playful. Like even though the day I went
to put a load of colorful jumpers, I would never have
bought those before because I would have stuck out too much

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like or in my head. That was the narrative.
You know, I was 24 stone. I wasn't exactly hiding away
from from the world, but I was doing everything I could in
terms of clothes to just fade away and blend.
So like when I come home the other day and I'd like 3 like
different most random colours, like at a baby blue and I don't
know what it's good. And I was like, wow, I can't
believe I bought these colours. And then I was like, I don't

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even is 1. I think a sandwich.
I was like pink. I was like, I don't, I don't
think I ever would have bought these before and.
That's amazing though, that you are.
You have done, you know. Yeah, and I put them on and I
was like, I really like these. I really, really like these.
Yeah. And yeah, it is though.
But that connection. And I said that was it just.

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It's mad how like little. Things that would stay with
anybody, I think no matter what is what was about.
That's a terrible thing to say to somebody, you know.
So Sarah, tell us, what are somecommon style mistakes that
people make when dressing for the wrong body shape or the
shape that they think they have?What?
What's a? What's the most common mistake

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people make? But yeah, so when you're not
sure of what your body shape is or you're getting to know a new
body, it can be really tricky. It can be because you're used to
looking at yourself in a mirror and maybe with a critical eye
more so than a compassionate eye.
So we can be very critical of ourselves.

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So what I tend to see happening is that people tend to cover up
a lot and they layer on things and things are too big.
OK, But one key component style or anything like that is about
fit. No matter what size you are, it
doesn't matter. It it has to fit the body you

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have be it, you know that. And when I talk about fit, it's
should skim the body and not be too tight that you're pulling at
it, but not be too big that it'sgiving you no shape.
Do you know, it's, it's about getting that, you know, it is
tough. It is absolutely tough.
And I feel that what women tend to do is just pile on a load of

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stuff and it just drowns them. So it might be a like a long
like say wide leg trouser and then there's like another layer
on top of that. So then just giving no shape,
whereas if you were to keep the wide leg trousers, tuck the top
in, give yourself more, whateversize, you know, it just gives

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you more shape and it's a more stylish.
So I think this over the more fabric you have, you feel that
and I get it and I've done it myself.
I'm, I'm hidden. I'm like, no, no, don't want to
be seen. That's fine.
But that's the most common thingis that people tend to go too
big. Even when you've lost weight.

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I still would have clients gone.No, I'm an 18.
And I'm like, no, you're not. You're, you know.
Totally like that. That's like again, if I go to
the shops, I instantly go to theback.
Still, I like go to the back forthose bigger sizes like and I
will find myself standing there with like a double XL and I'm
like, why am I, why am I holdinga double XL?

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And I I'll be standing looking and I'm like, is this the one I
need? Like I'll actually be trying to
rationalize it. Yes, this is the one that I
need. And there's some stuff I've
brought home like actually one of the jumpers of both.
This is one of the jumpers of both.
The other day I was like, I got it home.
It's like this too big for me. And I said, OK, great complaint
to have. And it's like, don't bring it
back. I'll just put it in Tumblr and
high at the ground. But then the other thing is,

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yeah, literally that's, that's my friend.
Put it in 100° and then try it. And then it's like sometimes it
goes. But like I find I don't same for
him. But like I find like where I've
my weight now is like literally other end of the midsection of
the tummy that is literate. So like, I'll, I'll put
something on, I'll get a T-shirtand it'll be like grand on the

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chest, grand on the shoulders. But then it'll be that too
clingy around my tummy. And then I'm like, oh, then I
can't wear it. I, I can't, that won't do.
And then then I get really frustrated because I'm like,
well, what do I do? Then I just buy a bigger size
like that. And then it grounds.
You, yeah. And I and I and I get caught
between this, I'll just buy something with a zip and like an

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elasticated bottom type thing orsomething like that, you know,
do. You know, I've been going
through this exact journey for the past maybe 3 weeks.
It's the first time that I've stepped outside of my comfort
zone and I've actually been going into pennies where I've,
I've never been in there really before just buying off the rack,

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you know, without having to search for the biggest size
there. And I've been going in and I've
been taking my camera into the fitting room and I've been doing
outfits of the day. And like, there are some things
that I've bought that are three times big, too big for me.
And I in the store, I'll actually, yeah, oh, that's
absolutely going to fit me. And I bring it home and it

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doesn't fit me at all. And I bought things online now
as well. And that I just have to give to
the charity shop because it's not worth sending back and all
the rest of it. But I've, I'm finding it hard.
I'm finding it really, really tough to find what size I am,
you know, and to kind of get into my kind of groove.
But I'm working, I'm working through it.

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I'm, I'm really trying to work through it and I've hosted it on
Instagram. It's the best thing that I've
ever done, really. It is.
It's sharing the journey, it's accountability almost for
yourself, but you're finding your, your size.
Look for women, men's are kind of bit more straightforward.
You know, we'll talk about the patriarchy another day, but the

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women's sizes vary from literally to go into H&M, you go
into pennies, you go into John's.
It is a minefield. So it's, but really what it is
is that the mindset hasn't changed, the shift hasn't
happened that you've been doing,buying a particular size or
doing, you know, going to the back of things, trying to find

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things online that you've had todo for a very long time.
It's almost like now you have tocreate a new habit of going, no,
this is my size. So whether you start at the 14
or the 16, it's going to vary anyway from shop to shop.
So I always like to try and get like I know when Marks and
Spencer's, I'm a straight up 16 top and bottom, that's it.

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So when I go in there, but then John's, maybe I'm a medium,
maybe I'm a large, depends on the actual garment itself.
So it is about changing, but it's it's that not going for the
largest size that you because you've always done that.
It's going just stopping yourself and just recentering
going OK, no, I'm going to try the medium maybe instead of

(27:33):
automatically reaching and then that's how you retrain.
You're basically retraining yourself to get break that
habit. I was going to say like that in
itself can be a bit of a head wreck for people because then
you think that you're the problem in terms of, Oh God,
when I'm a double XL here, like perfect, like perfect example.
So again, this T-shirt I've on now is a large, right?

(27:53):
And I went into, uh, I was up in, in a skill and it was the
weekend and I went into Marks and Spencer's because I'm like,
they usually have good quality clothes and I'm getting to that
stage of my life where I want good quality clothes.
It's going to last few years. I've really tried.
I picked up like a large and it wouldn't even meet.
I mean, I was like, oh, Oh no, they're usually.
Quite good, aren't they? For.

(28:13):
Their sizing and then I put the Excel on and the Excel still
wouldn't fit me. I was like, what?
And I had this hold and then I put on the double XL and the
double XL did. And I was like, Oh my God, am I
still, this is where my head went.
I'm I still a double XL person And that's something obviously
wrong with that. But in terms of where I had

(28:35):
pulled the progress I'd made andall that kind of stuff.
And I had to stand there for a minute and we're like, Oh my
God. And I was like, no, this is
this, this is a, this is a shop thing.
This is not a. This is not me.
Yeah, because that's what we automatically do.
We go, I'm the problem. It's me that has to change.
No, these clothes are manufactured on like, you know,
you see them like they're mass manufactured.

(28:57):
So you know, that could have just been a one brand, but you
could have picked another shirt.Yeah.
The whole of the shop and the large would have been fine or
the XL would have been fine. Yeah, those.
It's about the actual item it sells.
And like like there's been loadsof things done on social media
with women's jeans. People have got women have gone
in and gone right. I'm a 14 and they'll buy it in

(29:18):
like 6 different shops. And the difference is on RE, it
could be 1/2 an inch, it could be 3 inches in the difference.
And you know, no regulation. So what I always say to to
clients is that it's not you, it's the, it the clothes just
are manufactured for everybody. They're not thinking of Paddy or

(29:40):
Belinda or Sarah when they're manufacturing these clothes.
They're only like, they'll have an avatar.
And I remember when I worked in fashion before you every, they
have an avatar and this is your client and this is your
customer. And you know, it's made for this
particular woman or man. So if you don't fit into that,
that's when it gets difficult. And we start to blame ourselves.
It's not loud and we touch a lotof emotion.

(30:01):
Like we know clothes are emotional.
They are because, you know, theycan affect us in so many
different ways. But you have to kind of go, no,
this was made in a factory. It was shipped.
Do you know what I mean? You know, thousands of miles to
get here. It it's not me.
Maybe I do go up a size. Maybe I have to go down a size
or maybe this top is just not for me.

(30:23):
Do you know what I mean? You just have to go.
Sometimes you just have to go admit to feet and go look.
It's just for me. Do you find, is there many
brands that do shape right for people that have larger bodies?
And where this question is coming from is I have a pair of
trousers. Actually it's the the the grey
green ones. It's not a bit hairier.

(30:44):
Sorry. We're there.
I need to get a picture of theseand show you.
But, and what I find is so I think they're waist 36, but
because I've larger tummy, my waist isn't my waist.
My waist is kind of below my tummy.
You know what I mean? Like where they sit, but then
the back of them is obviously like like hanging down almost.
They don't fit me right. And then like I get people to

(31:06):
put up your chairs. It's like they won't go up.
Like they don't go up anymore because I still have my tummy.
Like I know technically that's from the way it should be, but
they're not. And it's like, I can't get a
brand that understands just thisis the way that larger bodies
are sometimes that, you know, where your waist is, maybe your
bum is, and stuff like this is not.
Yeah, you know, it's different. Honestly, I have yet to come

(31:28):
across this to be to be perfectly honest.
And it goes for like, you know, different heights.
It's not even just about weight.It's like it could be different
heights. You can be very petite, you can
be very tall, you know, because we're all different and because
clothes are, you know, manufactured en masse, you know
what I mean? They're not thinking of us.
They're thinking of the majority.
Yeah, you know what I mean? So I have yet to come across

(31:51):
like you can get higher end labels that are particularly for
larger bodies or they go from maybe a size 14 up, but they're
expensive. Do you know what I mean?
We were talking about, you know,High Street stuff.
You know, basically what they'redoing is that they're cutting at
the pattern and they'll just literally go up by two inches.

(32:12):
That's that's how they meet the size.
So my only solution to that is, is that if you do find they're a
really good pair of trousers andthey are hanging out at the
like, it's the back of it, get them tailored.
Anything that's just not fittingright, But it's it's good on
maybe 80% of you get that look. Don't disregard it just because,

(32:34):
oh, it's, you know, too, too long.
Get them taken up, make it for you.
That's good. Then every time you go to wear
those trousers, you know that they're going to fit you.
You know they're going to work and you're not going.
They're not falling down. Yeah, because then.
Yeah. Because then I went like.
Tailors. I was like, oh, maybe I just

(32:55):
need like low rise jeans or something like this and I'm like
Don Ocean, too old for those nowin 43.
It's like there's a whole other dilemma.
It's like. No one should ever go back to
low rise. You never I'm sorry it ever
happened. Tell me.

(33:17):
OK, Sarah, do you get, do you get much kind of resistance from
ladies while you're actually fitting them with these clothes
and stuff like that? Is there, have you ever had the,
the reaction of, oh, no, I just,I just can't do this.
I'm just not able. Or do you have them well
prepared before they go in? Because it's a massive mind

(33:39):
shift to go in and, and stand there and do this, you know,
with somebody. Do you get?
Resistance. Yeah, there's a lot resistance
wise. Not really.
I've had one or two where it's just like, Nope, not wearing it.
And like absolutely. And as I said, it's not about
shape, it's just me. Not that it's like, no, don't
like it, that's fine. But to be honest, if you come to

(34:02):
me and we've had that initial conversation and we've booked in
and we have generally you're on a path that, you know, you want
this and you know you need it and you need that.
You're just sick of guessing. You're sick of, you know, going
into shops and coming away with nothing, walking in going, oh,

(34:22):
there's nothing here for me, allthat kind of stuff.
And they're just done. So I think by the time they've
come to me for the shopping partof it, they want it and they I
look I've had. And you you have them prepared
for it. Yeah, like we've had like, you
know, sometimes I may not have coached any of the, the women

(34:43):
that I go shopping with. It's, you know, that's a
particular choice that you want to go down.
Like, you know, we, we'll do 4 to 6 sessions.
That's a different Ave. if you want it.
Now I am combining those as well.
But honestly, I could get a callor an inquiry and it's like, oh,
can you do 2 weeks time? Yeah, we would do a call.
And so they know they need it and they want it so they are

(35:06):
prepared. Now they're I've had resistance
to looking in the mirror, which is a huge thing.
I've had a bit of resistance to possibly, you know, some women
don't like wearing dresses. That was one thing, you know,
and we work around. I'm not there to tell anyone any
if they don't want to. Yeah.

(35:26):
You don't like, you don't wear dresses.
We go around, you don't wear jeans.
We take a different route, you know, So you have to find.
Solutions Do you travel, Sarah? Do you travel?
Do you travel to do this? I'm mainly focused in Leinster,
but I, you know, I'm open to trust.
If the price if the price is right.

(35:48):
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really. Everybody knows about this
service that's out there. Everybody knows there are
stylists and there are like personal shoppers and stuff, but
I've never met one. I've never seen the service
available anywhere. And really, this is the first
time I'm speaking to anybody that does that, you know, And I

(36:10):
think that everybody should knowabout this.
They really should. There's loads of us around the
country and I think there is that, oh, you know, no, that's
not for me. Or, you know, there's kind of a
little bit of like a gap betweenwhat's attainable and what you,
again, what you deserve and whatyou want to like.
We go for advice on nutrition. We go to our doctor when we're

(36:32):
sick. We go to all these different
specialists. But like, no one has ever taught
us how to dress. Like how do you go, OK, well,
does this go with this? And, and a lot of the time it's
just reassurance because I've worked with, I've worked with a
lot of women that have a great sense of style.
But it's just that, no, you're right.

(36:53):
You're, you're doing great. And all you need is a little bit
of a reassurance and one or two bits and then you're you're away
with it. And The thing is as well that
information that you give to people and that reassurance that
you give to people and that kindof the comments and the bit
about the style that will take women through for years, years,

(37:15):
years. Like, yeah, this is lifetime
stuff. And I remember when, when I did
my training and, and Archie, like our Joan told us that and
she was like, you're, you're helping people for their life
assistance was like, I would getrepeat clients for shopping, but
I'd never have to do someone's color or body shape again,

(37:36):
unless something majorly happened, you know, But then
it's just about, you know, we might do autumn and then you
might do somewhere the next year.
So then they have both wardrobes, two seasons, if at
all in this country. So it's like, you know, so they
know then it's like because it can be slightly different for
summer, you know, there's different styles, there's
different, you know, clothes that you would wear.

(37:58):
So once people know that. There are ways.
Like knowledge is powered, like knowledge is powered, and what's
forever? So can I ask you then about
colour? What do you just talk to us
about that? Because I'm I'm really
interested and intrigued by it. Yeah.
OK. So colour is everyone falls into

(38:18):
a season, so initially spring, summer, autumn, winter, OK.
And when you're doing colour analysis, what you're looking at
is your dominance, which is yourhair colour and your eye colour.
OK. And then what I would have to do
is test what we call testing to see what undertone your skin is,
so whether you're warm or cool. And then we allocate a season.

(38:40):
Now within the seasons, there's some sufficience, you know, and
you can go a little bit more nuanced, but basically when you
wear colour, you wanted to illuminate your face.
So we always wear colour to the face.
If you're ever just not sure about colour, always to the face
in a jumper, a jacket, scarf, anything like that and what you

(39:01):
want, if you're wearing the right colour, it will almost be
like a filter without any makeup.
It will just bring in the colourto your face.
I'm sure you've heard the expression oh, that drains you
or that you out. That's if you're wearing the
wrong colour. That's exactly what it does.
And can I just, yeah. And can I just make a point

(39:23):
there because what I've seen lately, only this past week is
umm, up to four years ago, I hadblack hair, like pure black
hair. And I left my, my Gray grow out.
And since I've left my Gray go grow out, I have absolutely
stayed away from red, completelystayed away from red.

(39:43):
And I put red on me, uh, yesterday or the day before and
I got floods of messages saying,Oh my God, that's the best color
you've put on yet. And I, I was going around for
four years thinking, oh God, I can't wear red anymore.
My black hair is gone and all the rest of it.
And it's obviously my skin rather than.
Your skin tone, It's your. Yeah, well.
When you yeah, if you changed hair color, you would probably

(40:06):
change, you can possibly change seasons and you would go.
So you're quite cool now with the with the Gray and things
like that. So that would be a cooler tone.
So whatever red you had on couldhave been like a cooler red.
So we can all everyone can wear any color.
It's just getting the right shade and the right undertone.
And Sir, we like when you're going around then So what the

(40:29):
way I'm transiting this in Paddylanguages, like it's almost like
it's almost like a style aura people have.
So like when you're going aroundthen are you like that person
over there? And I did look good in this
like, you know, Mulberry top that I have in my bag or like,
like, do you like the concept ofthis narrative in your head of
like, oh, if I stress last person this or what's it like?

(40:50):
I used to, I used to and I'd go into shops and be like don't say
anything, don't. Say nothing.
Say nothing, you haven't been asked.
And you see, coming from a retail background, people think
I work in shops all the time. Like I'm not, I'm just doing
groceries and they go, oh, can Iwas like, Oh my God, I just have

(41:10):
that. I don't know, maybe I know where
things are or people think I work in every shop.
I used to have that narrative, but I learned and I've trained
myself to go If you're asked, Sarah, offer your opinion.
And I think that's a good thing in life in general.
If you're asked, offer your professional opinion.

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And sometimes people just like women will be standing up when
you're standing in John's. And they'd go and they'd be
chatting to the friend and saying, oh, do you think this
look good? And then you're just happened to
be there and then they ask you. And then I'd go, well, actually,
yeah, that would be good. But that might be better.
You know, I just go, I never saywho I what I do or anything like
that because you don't want to put any pressure on people or

(41:54):
you know, if. You were if you were to go
around telling people what you are and what you do, so you'd
never be able to leave the shop.No, we've been there, be in the
shop all the time. But yeah, no, I do.
I go in my head if I see something like I've nearly
people and in airports and gone and then I'm like no.

(42:15):
Is it like I in my head, I'm like, I don't know if you've
seen the film like a Sixth Sensefor the weave House.
Like I see dead people and I'm like, is it like I see style
failures or something like that?You know our style mishaps.
Sometimes when they're very obvious, I just throw No, no,
you know, you can't like look, it's not the end of the world.

(42:36):
It's not it's OK that maybe you didn't talk that into the
trades, right Or you you maybe needed about, you know, look,
it's. It's all OK, it's.
All OK And it's, you know, and it's just like I can have, but I
don't go around no seeing, no, Iused to, but I don't.
I think when you're in it for a long time, like I, you kind of

(42:58):
guess you kind of go no. And there's so much I'm doing
anyway, you know? I'm thinking about other people.
Yeah. So and other than my clients,
I'm like, OK. That's an interesting one.
Then when you're going to meet your clients, do you feel under
pressure that they're going to be judging what you're wearing?
Oh my God, don't talk to me. The starts when I started this

(43:19):
gig, right? OK, so my kids were like 2 and
four, I think. And I was like, now I have to
change my whole like, I can't get out that front door without
looking. And I did that for possibly six
months and it nearly killed me because I was like wrecked.

(43:41):
You have small children, you, like, had to change your outfit
every day. I felt I had to change.
And then I just went, it's takena while now, I'm not going to
lie. Like it has taken a while.
Maybe COVID relaxed things a bitwhere everyone just kind of just
took a breath and I would be very, I'm always very aware of
what I'm wearing, you know, of where I'm going watch, who am I

(44:03):
going to meet and the situation I'm going to be in.
If I'm going to the gym, I'm going to the gym in my gym gear.
You know, the bag might be over my arm, but that's, you know, I
get laughed at when I come into the gym because my God.
And they're like, oh, she's herenow.
And everyone goes, oh, it's yourreal handbag.
And I'm like, yeah, sure. What other bag would I go?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't put that pressure on

(44:27):
myself anymore because my style has evolved and I'm very, very
comfortable in who I am and my own body confidence journey has
taught me a lot about who I am, how I show up.
Obviously I would be very professional and put together,
but it's not with the intensity.It was at the start where you're
like you feel perfection. I have and I'm not a

(44:50):
perfectionist. I never was, but I got it into
my head. It's like a thought.
It's like when that guy said that to you about you don't
deserve. It's like a talk.
It's in your head and it takes awhile and that's what I'm
talking about. Change of the tape, change of
the habit going no, I'm, I'm good now and my style has
evolved, my wardrobe has evolved.
So I know now I can go right, I'd like to wear that and this

(45:12):
there's the shoes and off we go.So.
Yeah, and that's, that's such a that's such a good thing to be
able to do as well. I could just give you, for
instance, going to talk about mymom now because I know she'll be
listening to this my and she's known for doing this.
My mom loves clothes. She's always so put together.
She looks like my bloody sister most of the time.

(45:33):
But in her wardrobe, she doesn'thave clothes hanging.
She has outfits hanging on one singer and she has her jewellery
ready to go with the outfit as well.
And it's my, it's what I'm aspiring to really.
I'll never get there, ever. I'll never be that organ.
We'll see. And I think, yeah, that is like

(45:56):
what when I go in to do say the happy wardrobe edit, that's what
I'm like. That's my aspiration is to get
as many outfits out of this lady's wardrobe and together.
And that's one of the best advice ever, is that, OK, you
want to wear this blouse and youhave the trouser and then you
maybe have the jacket or a cardigan and then you know what
shoes. So it's literally you're done.

(46:17):
Yeah, we, yeah, we all aspire tohave what my mom has, do you
know what I mean? But we never seem to be able to.
But I'm. I'm going to do it.
I'm absolutely going to do it. I'm buying these new clothes and
I'm putting them together and I'm trying, yeah.
It is and it's honestly if you've never done it before, it
takes it's like anything new. You're kind of like you're all

(46:38):
gonna go with the stars and thenbut it's getting the habit of
being OK, well, this is now I know what these jeans go with
and eventually, you know, it's great to have them on the
different hangers. But like if you kind of know,
OK, well I love these jeans and then you have 3 or 4 different
tops that you know, go with thatshould then you know you have
something to wear. And less is always more with the

(46:59):
wardrobe because you need to be able to see.
Like that's great. Your mom can see everything in
her wardrobe. She knows and that's what you
know. The overwhelm comes from too
much. Yeah.
I, I do have that problem. I have that problem when I go to
my organization, which is right what's, what's in the clean
laundry basket, right? What's on top right that?

(47:20):
See, that's the other narrative that we kind of go, that'll do.
Yeah, yeah. Do you know, And then, like the
self worth comes into it, as in,OK, well, you're kind of not
putting your best foot forward because you're just saying to
yourself, Oh, well, like, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. No, you deserve to get dressed
and wear fabulous clothes every single day.

(47:42):
Now you're not the special occasions.
Like we can all go to weddings, say the women of Ireland could
go to a wedding for the next every day for the next 10 years.
But what we all have with dresses and hats and but when it
comes down to the day-to-day, wecan kind of go settle.
I don't settle. There's no settling.

(48:03):
Yeah, and that's how I've lived.That's how I've lived in my life
is just settling. And purely obviously because I
lived in such a larger body, I didn't want anyone looking at
me. And yesterday I went out and I
bought a beautiful pink top withthe beautiful pink, black and
gold trousers to match it. Like there's, there's no way in
this white earth that I would have worn that when I was in a

(48:25):
bigger body, you know, But I am training myself to come out of
my gym gear, you know, to come out of my platies gear and come
home, have my share and then getdressed.
And yeah, uh, yeah. Because I tend to live in my my
gear clothes, you know? So if there's somebody there
like that, similar to a Belinda Sin, I guess in that almost like

(48:45):
phase of almost like transformation and they're going
from, you know, OK, the last X-Men two years, I've just tried
to hide and, you know, blend in and stuff like that.
But now that like actually I feel a bit braver, I'd like to,
I'd like to be a bit more, I don't know, adventurous or to
find myself now fashion wise. Is there any kind of kind of go
to hints or tips that people should think about or consider

(49:07):
when they're maybe starting out on that new phase of, of, of
dressing and styling themselves?Yeah, absolute.
Look, The thing is, it's all newnow.
The first thing that you have tobe is very compassionate to you,
the self judgement and the critiquing that can get us.
And we tend to not go for thingsor trying new things.

(49:29):
So it's to look in the mirror with the, you know, a gentle eye
and go, OK, this is my body now what do I want the clothes to
feel like? This is the first thing.
How do I want to feel in the clothes?
What fabrics do I like? What did I like before?
Like what style did I like? Because I think you forget we

(49:51):
look outside of us, we look at all Instagram and we're all
like, oh, this has been a trend and this is and I I need to have
this and I need to have that. But I can't wear that because
I'm like 44 an hour and I can't do that.
OK, so but what do you like? What would you like to wear?
Who do you aspire to or who likeinspires you?

(50:13):
I don't like influence, I like inspire because.
Yeah, with their style. With their style.
And I always say follow people that look like you.
Yeah, follow up. Because if you're looking at
people that don't look like you,then there's the comparison.
The comparison comes in and I don't look like that.
And I always say it's, well, yousee an outfit on a model and you

(50:34):
go, oh, that's, that'll work forme.
Just remember that it's always going to look different on you.
So do you know that kind of thing when we buy things online
and we go, oh, that'd be great. Now and then you put it on
yourself and you're like. Or even the mannequin.
Like the model and you're like no, because.
Mannequins as. Well, even the mannequins,
that's just gonna say it. Like, yeah, again, when I'm in

(50:54):
the shops and I'll see like an outfit on the thing, like, oh,
I'll get that. And then I'm like, oh God, no,
no. Be the same.
So just bear that in mind. But when you're starting out on
the journey is to really look and go, OK, what do I like, what
inspires me, what colours do I like, what styles, what parts of

(51:16):
my body do I want to highlight? Maybe there's still parts of
your body that you don't want tohighlight and that's OK.
Two arms or a particular 1, you know, might be the chest area,
you know. So figure out and honestly, it's
about experimentation and tryingthings on like confidence is
like a muscle. I'm sure you've heard that

(51:37):
phrase before. The more you do, the stronger
you become. Yeah, it's not working out.
So if you decide, OK, what? I'm actually going to change my
neckline, OK, I'm not going to do a high neck.
I'm actually going to do a roundneck.
The first time you do that, if you've never done that in say
1520 years, it's going to be different.
You're going to go self-conscious.

(51:57):
Yeah, you're going to be self client.
You're seeing more skin here. You're like, oh God, this is
different. And in our heads, we're like,
Nope, run away, back to safety, safety, safety.
And then we'll never come out ofthe conference room.
But if you step outside the doorand you go to the shop, the
world isn't going to fall apart just because you decided to
swear a round neck instead of a high neck.
Do you know what? We have to think of these in a

(52:17):
bigger capacity? Yeah, so.
And then the more you do that. Outside of ourselves as well,
yeah. Because no one, no one's
actually really located here. No one cares.
We care that you've gone up witha round neck instead of a
golden. Talking with next, I remember
the first time we bought like AVneck T-shirt and I've never
bought and I remember what I waslike, well, this looks really

(52:38):
different. I was like, yeah, I think I like
this. I think I like oh, it's a little
bit I think, I don't know, it just it just felt like it
changed the entire shape of likefrom my chest, like an upward
it. Was a long day.
Yeah. Yeah, it does.
If you've never done something like that and you say, oh, well,
I like this, Yeah, run with thatand hold on to that feeling and

(53:00):
go, OK, well, this, oh, look, this this is a different style
of trousers. Yeah.
OK. Well, how how does this look?
I think what happens is we get so consumed with like, how other
people will perceive us that we forget what we like, you know,
and what we want to wear. And getting dressed is about
getting dressed for you and how you feel comfortable in yourself

(53:22):
and when just when you're wearing things that aren't
comfortable or don't suit you, you're at them all the time.
You're coming, you're and you won't relax.
So you can get the clothes that just suit you, not what suits
your friends, not what suits your mom, anything like that.
It's about. But you know what, just going
back to trousers there, for the past 30 years I've always worn

(53:44):
skin tight trousers, skin tight jeans, leggings, all the rest of
it. And it was only three weeks ago,
for the first time in my life that I put on a trousers that
fell down, that were baggy, thatwere like wide legged.
And I've never done that ever. And now I have seven of them.
And I'm I messaged you the otherday.
We need one of your outfits up saying Oh my God you look

(54:05):
amazing that. Yeah.
It was like a totally different you were like just glowing and
beaming. And I felt all of that.
I felt all of that. And I feel it every day now
because I just, I just, I just love clothes.
And I don't think I've ever realized how much I love clothes

(54:26):
now that I can fit into them, you know?
But. Yeah, yeah.
And it does something for your confidence.
It does. And it's just, you know, AV neck
or a wide like track like it's because I think when you are
stuck in that, no, this is the only thing I can wear.
And if you're in that mind so long, you know, and then as a

(54:48):
pair of traces comes along and you're like, oh, OK, I like you
go with that feeling. It's about the feeling.
It's about the clothes to give you that feeling, and that's
where the confidence comes from.And it's just about doing that
more. Yeah, yeah, Not just good.
I'll do it once and then you go back.
What about that though, whereby you might like something and you

(55:11):
might do the whole bring it intosomebody to show them, oh, look
what you think of this and you get the even though you like it,
That's something that because then into my mind I'm like, OK,
there's some wrong with it. I like it, but there's something
wrong with it then. So that's something I find
tough, yeah. That is, look, that's hard, and
sometimes it's the people that are closest to us that we look

(55:32):
for their opinion. As we know in so many walks of
life, like not just. That's not the best place to go,
yeah. So be careful who you ask yeah
for advice from. Be careful who you whose opinion
you take. Like do they know anything about
clothes? Do they have any good fashion

(55:53):
sense? They dress.
Do you know what I mean? Because I find even outside
clothes and everything, you know, everyone has an opinion on
something. Do you know if you like
something? Maybe you don't need to ask for
the opinion. Maybe I bought it the last day
and I'm going to wear it out next weekend.

(56:15):
You're not looking for that affirmation from somebody else
because you have it inside of you already.
Yeah. Ask yourself what you think.
Yeah, my, my, umm, I, I've spokewith this in a previous podcast
report myself and Belinda once, if not twice, but they like my
kind of weight loss journey. My, I'll say one of my biggest
milestones that I have is actually fashion related is a,

(56:38):
is a velvet jacket that I have real velvet as well.
Not like, you know, team velvet and you're real real.
Yeah. Now the sentimental value to it
too. But this for me is the epitome
of when I feel at my best. This jacket.
And I was able to wear it for a very, very short period of time
back when I lost weight before in like 2011 for a couple of

(57:01):
months. And and then it didn't fit me
anymore after that. And I've had it in the wardrobe
since. And I would not let anything
happen because I'm like, no, oneday, one day.
And like, that day is like frustratingly close.
Yeah, you're nearly. There.
Like nearly, nearly there, but like since day one, not even

(57:22):
this time, but like for years, but particularly over the past
year. For me, that has been the kind
of one of the key objectives forme is I want to feel how I used
to feel when I put this jacket. On.
Me. Yeah, yeah.
And that's OK. That's OK to chase that feeling,
isn't it? Yeah.
Like, I mean, we're all on this journey through life.
I mean, whether it's weight related or whether it's, you

(57:45):
know, trying to find yourself orfeel worthy and all and feel
loved, you know, it's whatever will give you the comfort and
that feeling. And it's all about the feeling.
Like it's all about the feeling.We all have that outfit like you
have party with the, you know, and what I try and get my
clients to do is like think of an outfit and go, OK, what is

(58:07):
that feeling? Because we always remember the
feeling. It's like when you smell perfume
and you go, oh, that takes me back when you were like, you
know, in this particular place where you smell something.
So that feeling comes back and we try and hold on to that and
then almost try and recreate that with other things and go
get that feeling you don't have to have.

(58:28):
We all have the one outfit or the jacket or mine is a leather
jacket. You know, we all have that.
But like try and get that into your everyday woes.
Like bring that through and go, OK, I'm wearing a cardigan and
jeans today. But like I still feel really
good. I'm really good in myself and
sometimes I have to loosen, you know, the belt a little bit and

(58:48):
sometimes I have to close a little bit more, you know what I
mean? It's just going about a body.
Exactly. That's OK.
But it's the feeling that when you put on clothes that it's the
worthiness. It's like training yourself to
go, you know what? I deserve to wear these clothes
because I am amazing. Whatever size I am, this is my
body. This is where how I live, how

(59:09):
I'm experiencing life. I only get one body.
Do you know what I mean? So it's about embracing that
whatever size you are, I do believe that everyone could look
well. I do honestly believe that.
You don't have to be a particular size.
You don't have to be a particular shape.
You can look well and that comesdown to the fit of the clothes.
Choosing wisely, but getting, you know.

(59:31):
Believing that humans. Deserve this like getting
yourself revved up and going yeah, I do forget the world I'm.
There, I'm there now me into it.Is there for people that might
be listening that are like, OK, I'm, I'm hyped up here.
I want to go out. I want to, you know, maybe look

(59:52):
at their accident normally look at or, you know, go to shops,
maybe don't normally go to. Is there any kind of a
foundations or staples that you think every woman should have in
their wardrobe? Yes, OK, we could be here.
OK, well, the first thing that Ialways, I always find is a
blazer for a woman. OK, because the blazer can work

(01:00:16):
with a pair of black linings andwhite runners, but it can also
work with the tailored pair of trousers or over a really nice
dress. It elevates a look.
It takes a look from basic to going, oh, it's really elegant.
It's the tailoring of the blazer.
But you want is tailoring. You want the shape.
And you will know the differencebetween putting on a blazer
that's not lined or it's a bit like floppy to putting on one

(01:00:39):
that's, oh, completely tailored.That's you want it fitted.
Whatever size you are, you want it fitted.
You want that bit of structure. If you're quite narrow on the
shoulders or even a bit of a slopey shoulder, a little bit of
a shoulder pad goes a long, longway in a blazer.
I also believe that like you need good foundations like good

(01:00:59):
underwear bra, being fitted for a really good bra, whatever type
of bra is, but just getting the right size because that's very
important. Trousers wise, I would advocate
for a wide leg. That's the trend that's in our
at the minute, but it's you justneed good basics, like literally

(01:01:19):
forget about trends. You need like your good
T-shirts, a good blouse, some a blazer, another jacket and don't
forget the shoes. Shoes make or break OK, because
you could be great, great, great, great, and then you go
on. Sometimes I go, what's wrong?
You know, it's the shoes. So be be you know, aware of

(01:01:40):
that. There's there's different types
of shoes for different types of outfits, and it's about having
less. Again, don't be thinking you
need to have every style. It's whatever works for you.
If the neck ran luck find that one and but a blazer really good
basics, bra 100% and really goodtrousers.

(01:02:01):
They don't have to be jeans because some people just like
jeans are tricky. Oh my God, I don't know.
Yeah, we've not started that journey yet.
It's yeah. Oh no, it's a little bit better
like, but it's just, you know, you could spend, I spent
hundreds on jeans and now I havetwo pairs from Dunn's there cost
me €25 each and they are brilliant.
Like I am just living my best life with these jeans.

(01:02:24):
So it's, you know, it's like maybe you do wear jeans, but
you, you know, so if it's a jeans or a trousers, get that
really good hair. And if you do have to tailor it,
get them tailored. You spend the tenor to get them
taken up. Yeah, yeah.
And so what's say, Sarah, what would you say is a trend right
now that's actually working for most women or that would work

(01:02:47):
for most women? That's why the white.
Yeah. OK, Brilliant.
Yeah, yeah. Because the trend, yeah, it's
not a trend. It's one, but it is a trend at
the moment because everyone is wearing them.
And it came in the last year andnow it became very mainstream.
That's brilliant, That's great. And what do you wish more women

(01:03:09):
knew about getting dressed everyday?
One piece of advice that you could give to women if that are
getting dressed every day and they're having second thoughts.
It's not about anyone else. It's about you.
How do you want to feel? How do you feel in those
clothes? But it's not about anyone else,
and it's just about being, not changing you.

(01:03:30):
It's about being the best version, the best dressed
version of you. And try and block out the noise
of other people's opinions. Love that, thank you so much.
Yeah, and I was going to say, I'm sensing from the
conversation we had that, you know, being the best dresser,
the best for you doesn't necessarily means that the most
expensive things like what makesyou feel you and make gives you

(01:03:55):
that like little oh. That's.
All we want. We want and you just buy the
best you can afford. That's it.
You don't have to be shopping like really, really high end.
Just buy the best you can afford.
But buy thoughtfully, like intentionally.
Intentionally. Yeah, that's the word.
Say buy intentionally, that it has a purpose, that it makes you

(01:04:17):
feel good. Brilliant, Sarah, thank you so
much. That was so interesting.
I find that really interesting. So I did like, you know, I know
we're talking a lot about like, you know, women's fashion.
I even find that really interesting because absolutely,
absolutely. It is like it.
It really, really is like, like,like even in like the men's body

(01:04:40):
shapes and stuff. Like I don't know if people
because I know man, or I'll buy a T-shirt.
Sure, I'll guess the larger one of the grand like we get.
No more like there's so many different shapes of even like
the bodies and how it sits and all that.
Like it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's.
Sarah, I'm just going to apologize now because every time
I put on a new outfit, I'm literally going to tag you for

(01:05:01):
your opinion. Sarah, if people want to find
you, what is the social Where dothey go to find out more about
you? So socials on Instagram it's
Sarah Lines, Facebook it's Sarahlines Wells Child and then the
website is Wells child dot IE. Cool, brilliant.

(01:05:22):
And we'll have those all LinkedIn, the description off
the podcast as well, so you can find those easy enough.
But Sir, it's been a pleasure. Thank you so much.
Really really appreciate having the chats and giving us all the
hints and tips. Yeah, no problem at all.
Just like to be here. None of this conversation should
be taken as medical advice for you.
Before starting or changing any medical or Wellness treatment,
always consult your GP and medical care team.

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