October 7, 2025 • 63 mins
Headlines shout. Our hearts want to shout back. We chose something harder—and braver—a holy pause to ask what God is saying in the middle of grief, confusion, and the swirl of opinions. We honor Charlie’s life by refusing cheap noise and by picking up the work he modeled: live the gospel out loud with courage, love, and action that outlasts outrage.
We walk through the shock of loss and then track the unexpected signs of hope: surging searches for Christianity, communities returning to church, and people asking better questions. Along the way, we trace a pattern of “full circle” moments—how God brings us back to the beginning to complete healing, shift our perspective, and launch us into purpose. We unpack personal stories, dates that suddenly align, and a vivid sense that this is a tipping point for a turning point. And we push past the tired left-vs-right script to name the real battle: light versus darkness, truth versus deception. Reclaiming the airwaves isn’t about being louder; it’s about stewarding words that are anchored in Scripture and aimed at hearts, not scoreboards.
Grounded in the story of Joseph—what was meant for harm, God used for good—we explore how pain becomes assignment. We also connect faith and neuroscience, drawing on experts like Dr. Caroline Leaf and Dr. Daniel Amen to show how renewing the mind changes the brain. Thought loops can be rewired. Gratitude calms, prayer clarifies, and journaling helps us hear and obey. You are not stuck with the brain—or the story—you have. With practical steps and a clear call to live like light, we invite you to plant, pray, preach, and trust God for the increase. If a full circle moment is tugging at you right now, ask Him what needs to be completed and where He’s sending you next.
If this conversation stirred you, share it with a friend, subscribe, and leave a review. Tell us your full circle story—we’d love to celebrate your hope and light.
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SPEAKER_01 (00:09):
Good morning, friend.
Good morning.
Wow, so much has happened sincethe last time we were here in
the studio.
Yeah, it's our first day backsince Charlie was murdered.
Yeah, devastation.
You know, and I know the onething that God has just really
put on my heart in all of thisis this pause that really just
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take a pause.
It's unbelievable.
On one hand, I'm in awe of thevoices that have arisen to
celebrate his life, than tostand, you know, firm in truth
with the swirl of the enemy'slies, just wrapping around
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Charlie's life.
There's just so much noisethat's starting to rise and
amplify.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
That God has just said, pause.
And like, really, what are wetalking about?
And many people have said it,and you almost don't want to be
uh a broken record.
Yeah.
And you don't want to be justanother voice that's creating
noise, but clarity and peace.
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And really, what does God say inall this?
And where is the hope and thelight?
Yeah.
On such a world stage whereyou're we're witnessing evil.
SPEAKER_03 (01:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
And there's no confusion on what we witnessed.
Anytime there is murder, thereis evil at hand.
Absolutely.
And the fact that we as apeople, I'm not going to say the
United States of America or theleft versus the right, I'm not
going to use any of those words.
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God created mankind.
Doesn't matter what land we liveon, doesn't matter whether he
created us male or female.
Murder in the sight of the Lordis evil.
SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
And any time we can find ourselves celebrating or
being okay with evil, it's not atime to be right.
SPEAKER_03 (02:24):
We are way far away from God when you're doing that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Yeah.
And so what I feel led to kindof start today's session with,
and today's September 19th, thiswon't be released until October.
So it may feel for ourlisteners, you know, there might
be a bit of a distance from, youknow, certainly where we find
ourselves today in a coupleweeks from now, because it's
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amazing how much can happen justin two weeks, right?
Um but what I really just wantto stand firm on is one,
Charlie, uh, in the best of hisability, I believe, and I always
want to believe positive intent.
He ran the race God put in frontof him.
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Did he do it perfectly?
Do did he do it without fail?
No, because God says we all fallshort of the glory of God.
Uh but he says, don't give up.
Yeah.
You know, chase the author andfinisher of your race and run,
run like heck.
Yeah.
Right?
Because time is short.
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And many people have said itthat he has done more in 31
years than most most people dowith 100 years.
Absolutely.
Right.
Um and he he did.
He there's there's a lot ofpeople that have a lot of
thoughts and opinions that arewilling to air their thoughts
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and opinions on social media,but it's a level, another level
of commitment when someone putsfoot to action.
So what do I mean by that?
Charlie not just went totelevision and podcasting to
share his viewpoints.
He traveled campus to campus tocampus to campus to campus for
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13 years.
Yeah.
That's a lot of toil, that's alot of work.
Oh, yeah.
And so he put the energy andeffort into what he had high
conviction on.
And I don't no one can disputethat.
I mean, it's a living testimony.
Now, what we can start to diginto is did he have the source
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of truth the right way?
And of course, we believe hedid.
He stood on biblical ground.
Um, so people can question didhe get this right?
Did he get this one wrong?
I mean, maybe you can startdebating that.
But what you can't debate is theman had a heart after God
because, you know, the proof isin the action.
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Yeah.
And uh even the way that heloved his family, uh, his wife
Erica and his two children, Imean, it's just he lived it out.
You know, a lot of people don'tlive out what they believe,
they're hypocritical in nature,and he lived it out.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:15):
And for that is hard to hear sometimes, right?
SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
It's always hard to hear.
Yeah.
Even as believers.
And when you share it with graceand humility and love, it's hard
to hear.
So hey, listen, I'm imperfectevery single day, and my
husband's very quick to tell mewhen I'm being imperfect and
it's not good to hear.
Yeah.
And my flesh coils and I don'twant to hear it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:35):
And then the Holy Spirit does the magical work and
convicts my heart, and I canconfront the truth.
But if I'm not willing toconfront the truth, I'm never,
I'm just gonna stay stuck whereI'm at.
Yeah.
And so um, I say all this to saya lot of words to say that we
honor the life of Charlie Kirk.
We believe that he stood inbiblical truth.
Yeah, and uh we find ourselvesauthentically confused how
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anybody can celebrate the murderof another human being.
Agreed.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (06:08):
Well, let's dig into the hope and the light in all of
this, because I think it'sreally important um that we
don't miss this as anopportunity, which I know might
sound odd, uh, but it's easy tothink that death and defeat is
the end.
But as you and I both know, Godwill use it to increase his
kingdom, and we're alreadyseeing a ton of evidence of that
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right now.
You know, right now across theworld, more people are open to
the gospel than ever beforebecause of his life and his
death.
So I feel like our job right nowis to honor that sacrifice by
picking up, you know, the cross,right, and carrying the torch
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and living like Charlie.
I love, I love that saying,meaning live your life out loud
with courage, with faith, uh,share the gospel, go out and
make disciples of the nations,right?
And sometimes that soundsmassive uh as an undertaking,
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but keep in mind we're makingdisciples every single minute of
every day in our own circles ofinfluence, right?
In your neighborhood, when yougo to the grocery store, the
person who waits on your table,like all of those are
opportunities for us to live ourfaith out loud and carry on that
torch.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
Amen.
There's always an opportunity.
And you know, I just going backto what you said, we don't want
to miss the opportunity to sharethe hope and light through such
um tragedy.
And this is the this is also apart of the good news.
Like if you look at the Jewishtradition, God appoints a time
that there's a period formourning.
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So it's righteous, it's holy,not to skip past mourning.
So there is divine holiness inthis resting in the mourning and
the loss of someone.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then on the other side ofit, it says, now get on with
dancing and singing.
Because if you do have thefaith, guess what?
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We know where Charlie's at andwhat happens to all of those who
are still here.
We have to keep on living.
And God says to rejoice in themorning and rejoice in the
evening as the sun rises,rejoice.
As the sun sets, rejoice.
Yeah, and so where is the hopeand the light in what you just
said?
People are coming to the Lord,etc.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
There's also this, God is constantly talking, and
it really dovetails straightinto what we're going to talk
about today.
For the last, I would say, um,probably since June, actually,
and I'll share a little bit of apersonal journey that I've been
on.
So when my just to kind of setthe stage, and I hope I all you
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listeners out there, those whoare watching us on YouTube,
don't lose me.
So if I if if I lose you throughwhat I'm getting ready to tell
you, hit the rewind button.
Like wait till you get home soyou can slow down if you're
listening in the car.
But God speaks to me throughnumbers.
I mean, that's just what hedoes.
Yeah.
And people have um been kind ofweirded out by that when I say
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that, because they don't reallyunderstand that God's native
tongue is Hebrew, and Hebrew isunderwritten by uh a numbering
system.
There's 22 letters in the Hebrewalphabet, and every underneath
every letter is an actualnumber.
And so when you start to seepatterns of numbers, it has
Hebrew meaning.
And if those things keep comingup to you, chances are if you
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understand it, God's actuallycommunicating to you.
And it's just one of thewonderful, supernatural ways
that in John, where it says thatthose who believe without seeing
are even more blessed.
When we hear God communicatingto us, um, it is such a
blessing.
So don't be weirded out by whatI'm getting ready to tell you
because I'm very much used to itand it comes very natural to me.
(10:06):
But if you're hearing this forthe first time, stick with me,
please.
Right?
Please, right?
I can testify.
Okay.
So the hope in the light.
Uh so back in June, um, I hadlost an aunt.
Okay, she had passed away.
She had been uh suffering forfrom dementia for a couple of
years, and uh the Lord finallytook her home on June 1st.
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And it was a really hardexperience for me to go through.
It still is.
I'm still processing that grief.
And why do I say it that way?
Because 31 years ago, um, I lostanother a-and this aunt that I
lost was uh my father's sister.
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It's my aunt Bonnie.
And my Aunt Bonnie was aspiritual mother to me.
She had the faith of an Elijah.
I mean, she was just a beacon ofhope.
And she went to be with the Lordon 1014, 1994.
So in June, she had been gone,you know, for 30 years.
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It's her 31-year anniversarythis year.
And my uncle, who was married tomy Aunt Bonnie, remarried, and
he remarried to my AuntRoseanne.
My Aunt Roseanne is the one thatactually passed in June.
And so I have the reminder ofthe aunt that I had lost when I
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was a teenager, which was areally hard loss for me.
And then I'm now in a seasonwhere I don't want to say her
replacement because you cannever replace a person, but his
second wife, who over 30 yearsof life I've come to love very
much, and she became anotherspiritual mother to me, I was
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losing her in this now season.
And it became a full circlemoment for me.
And we're gonna talk about fullcircles today.
SPEAKER_03 (12:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:05):
But why I know that this is a divine message that
we're gonna talk about today isbecause of everything that's
happened from June till now.
So in June, when I was justwriting out my heart to the Lord
and processing the death of myaunt, he had brought so many
things to the forefront of howshe had blessed me throughout my
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life.
And it reminded me that throughthe loss of my first aunt when I
was 18, that he was faithful togive me another mother,
spiritual mother, to love me.
Completely different person shewas.
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She was completely differentdemeanor.
Her characteristics were wildlydifferent.
She was a New Yorker, verydirect, and could be almost
abrasive with her communicationstyle.
And my Aunt Bonnie, she wasgentle as a dove and very
graceful, like all the things.
And for a while, it was reallyhard for me to accept that my
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uncle would marry someone sodifferent from my Aunt Bonnie.
Like, why would you pick someonewho's complete opposite, not in
spirit, but just in physicalflesh outward expression?
But God had showed me over theyears how in the next season of
my spiritual growth, I neededdirectness.
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I needed that tough love.
I didn't need the gentle lamb.
And he was faithful to actuallygive me exactly what I would
need.
And it was this full circlemoment, this turning point where
I knew a new season in my ownlife was being birthed.
There was a chapter that closedwhen my Aunt Bonnie died.
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Now, 30 years later, anotherchapter is closing, and God is
moving me into a new season oflife.
Both spiritually, He's taking meto another level and both in the
uh the spiritual, spirituallyand in the flesh, right?
So then fast forward, God hasreally been pressing on my
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heart.
Just I can't get away from it.
He's been talking to me aboutwhat does 30 mean?
What does 31 mean?
And the importance of losing myAunt Bonnie on October 14th,
1994.
And then even losing my AuntRoseanne on June 1st, which is
6'1, right?
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And so 30 and 31, it's 61, 6'1.
And there's just always so muchmeaning in everything that he
gives me that we get to wherewe're at today, and he was
literally putting on my heart,you're gonna go back to the
beginning so I can birth what'scoming next.
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It's a tipping point for theturning point.
Those are the things that I'vebeen journaling since June,
Elisa.
And then on September 9th, itwas almost like he took the
radio and he turned it all theway up.
Yeah.
And he goes, if you've beenmissing what I've been telling
you for the past three months, Ineed you to stop, pause, and
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hear it now.
I need you to know that 30 isimportant.
I need you to know that 31 isimportant.
I need you to remember 10, 14.
These things are important.
I need you to remember 22.
And I'm like, why are all thesethings important?
Well, like it in the moment,it's like, okay, Lord, I'm
listening, but I still I knowit's a full circle.
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I understand the passing of myants.
I understand I'm going into anew season.
I get it all.
And then he was talking to meabout the airwaves.
And this may sound weird, butit's not.
It's the airwaves.
It's how our voices go out, it'ssocial media, it's how we
communicate in today's age.
And uh he said it's time for hisbride to take over the airwaves.
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And what he showed me is thatour voices haven't been taking
over the airwaves.
And I'm not talking about juststart doing herald callings out
there.
Sure.
And start being louder andlouder and louder and turning up
the frequency of how much we'recommunicating.
It's the words that we'rechoosing to use are ineffective.
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I just want to pause on that.
We have used a lot of words outthere, the right and the left,
the right and the left.
And honestly, I don't know aboutyou, but when I turn on the
radio or I turn on a podcast orI flip on social media, I hear
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either the right's words, sure,or I hear the left's words.
Sure.
But it can kind of get confusingand chaotic to understand where
is God's word.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And there is a holy call to makesure we are messengers of his
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word.
Okay.
And so what do I mean by that?
We have created our own languageto describe things in our
culture.
And we have diluted meanings ofwords, we've misused words, etc.
And anytime there's chaos andconfusion and division, it's the
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enemy at work, it's not God atwork.
And so it's a holy pause time tosay, how do I start to use my
voice in an effective way?
How is it a double-edged swordthat pierces through the
darkness?
That's what it means to takeover the airwaves.
Yeah.
And so on September 9th, I'mwriting this out.
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It's time to take over theairwaves.
And um I wrote down a couplemedia companies in my journal.
I just thought God broughtpressed them on my heart.
Turning Point was one of them.
And I don't even follow TurningPoint.
I have a lot of respect for whatCharlie Kirk has done and what
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Turning Point will continue todo.
I have tremendous respect fortheir work and I care about him
as a brother in Christ, but it'snot someone that I went to went
to for day-to-day information.
It just, that's not where I wentfor my source of truth.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
And so I say that to say it wouldn't be normal for me
in my own spirit to write downturning point.
I just wouldn't.
And so now fast forward to youknow September 10th when tragedy
hit yet again.
And what rang true on that day?
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Well, 1014, 1993 is the day thatCharlie Kirk was born.
1014.
Same anniversary date as my AuntBonnie.
Okay.
Uh he was 31 years old.
What's the mere number of 31?
It's 13.
He was in office for turningpoint for 13 years.
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Okay, all these things.
How old was the shooter?
22 years old.
So I say these things becauseGod gives me this revelation to
confirm where we're headed.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Did I know something horrible was going to happen to
Charlie?
Absolutely not.
But the hope in the light isthat God is speaking.
God is saying, I'm still incontrol.
Yeah.
I've given you a word.
We are to be heralds of truth.
We do know that there's asifting that's taking place in
the bride of Christ right now.
Okay.
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But we are to make sure that weare accountable for the words
that leave our mouth.
And God says in Jeremiah thatyou will be my prophet if your
words are worthy.
And even as Christians, evenwhen we're speaking truth, if we
wield his word with the wrongmotive of heart, it's misusing
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the word of God.
SPEAKER_03 (20:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:02):
And so that's the holy account.
And it gets to this whole notionthat God put on my heart, the
tipping point for the turningpoint, prophetically, that's the
hour we're in.
So this is an encouragement forall of those who are listening.
Like God does full circlemoments.
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He takes us back to thebeginning of where we started.
And it can be a source of pain,oftentimes, like where we start
as a source of pain.
But when he takes us back, we'retypically healed, or maybe
there's one more step of healingthat needs needs to take place,
but it's the turning point wherehe will launch us into our
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destiny.
And that is the hour we're in.
SPEAKER_03 (20:48):
Agreed.
You hit on wow, so manyimportant things actually.
And when I heard you say takingover the airwaves, I think it's
really important again for allof us to realize that the time
that we're in, if we have beensaved by his grace, then there
is a calling that has put on ourlife to go out and share the
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gospel, right?
I think a lot of people, um, Ihear lots of people say, you
know, Charlie could never bereplaced, or I could never be a
Charlie.
So it almost leaves you stuck,you know, thinking, why even
try?
Well, the reality is, yeah,you're not gonna be Charlie.
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I'm not gonna be Charlie, you'renot gonna be.
There was one Charlie Kirk.
Um, but again, we are to go outand share.
It's never about the messengermessenger, it's about the power
of the message, always.
And what's so interesting, um,not coincidental because it
never is, right?
In my devotional this morning,uh uh took me to Ephesians and
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not even to this specific verse,but on this page.
And what jumped out at me thismorning was Paul, who said, I
became a servant of the gospelby the gift of God's grace given
me through the working of hispower.
Although I am less than theleast of all the Lord's people,
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this grace was given to me topreach to the Gentiles the
boundless riches of Christ.
So that is so important, Ithink, for all of us to hear.
I am less than the least wasn'tPaul being humble.
Paul was a sinner and he knewit.
He persecuted the church, he,you know, dragged believers into
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prison.
And even after being saved bygrace, he didn't have the
resume, he didn't have theeducation, he didn't have the
charisma and the beautifularticulation, right?
Um, but he, you know, isbasically saying, I know that
I'm not qualified, but I alsoknow that I have been saved by
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grace, and God calls us to goout and share it, right?
And make disciples of thenation.
So, I mean, that leads me tolike what's already happening,
where you're talking about thismoment that we're in and this
turning point as a result ofCharlie's death.
Um, the first weekend afterCharlie's death, we saw a 50%
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increase worldwide in peoplesearching for Christianity.
It's amazing.
I mean, tell tipping point forthe turning point.
50% worldwide.
We saw um TPU faith campusesrequests go from 4,000 to I I
should have checked thismorning.
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Last I checked to over 60,000.
Oh, that's amazing.
I thought it was 52,000.
And what are we like in a weekand a half or something?
They took in$10 million in asingle day.
Um, our church alone across justthree campuses saw a 47%
increase in attendance theweekend after Charlie's death.
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You know, I mean, it it'sunbelievable.
And our own um Pastor Troy, hehe um gave us a beautiful way to
really look at this, which getsme uh a little emotional.
But he said, every time abeliever lays down their life,
literally or metaphorically, itplants seeds that God can
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multiply for generations tocome.
And so what does he mean bythat?
Well, he explained that we couldthink of Charlie's bloodshed as
seeds that scattered uponimpact.
And so each one of those seedshas an opportunity right now to
be planted, to become a tree, tobecome a tree that produces much
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fruit, and then that fruit dies,becomes seeds that produces more
trees going, yeah, and morefruit.
It's full circle, and so yeah,we are being called.
That's it.
It's a full circle, you know, toplant, to pray, to preach, to
mobilize.
Um, and then we let God, youknow, handle the the increase.
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So I would encourage encourageeveryone right now, just like
our pastor encouraged us, askGod, what do you want me to do
with this seed?
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Yeah, that is so good.
Alisa, when you shared thatturning point, took in took in
over$10 million in one day.
This was prompted in my spirit,so I just feel compelled to
share it, you know.
Um I want to talk about theshooter and I want to talk about
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his family.
Okay.
I can't imagine the depths ofpain that that father is in
right now for uh being to put ata turning point to make
literally a a choice on how doeshe love and care for the son
that he literally helped bringinto this world and uh face you
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know the decision that he had tomake and to do the right thing.
Yeah.
Right.
Um, so the pain and thesuffering that that family's
walking through, I just can'teven imagine.
And I think um, you know, thatfamily needs to be acknowledged
and loved and also acknowledgewhat they chose to continue to
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do.
Yeah.
You know, they got in funds tohelp pay for an attorney to
defend their son.
And they took those funds andgave it to Turning Point.
SPEAKER_03 (26:40):
They said I didn't even hear this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
They said we're not going to use money to defend a
wrong action.
SPEAKER_03 (26:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
We're going to use it to where it needs to go to
help um the good, the good newskeep spreading.
Those I'm paraphrasing in my ownwords.
But so just to just to pauseagain on the acknowledgement
that this family is even a partof the hope in the light of the
future.
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Like that's God.
Yeah, 100%.
Like that's just not normal.
And so God is supernaturally atwork.
SPEAKER_03 (27:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:15):
Even in the darkest moments.
It's beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (27:17):
It really is.
SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
So, yeah.
So we're gonna talk into okay,well, we keep saying full
circle, we keep saying tippingpoint for the turning point.
You want to share somethingelse?
SPEAKER_03 (27:25):
Well, there was just something really important that
you started to hit on that Ithink um a lot of us Christians
were being outspoken, which isfabulous right now.
Some are still a little silent.
We gotta work on that um alittle bit.
I I would I would encourage youknow, some of the some of the
silent Christians to go a littlebit deeper and look to see if
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there's some stuff that Godstill needs to do in your heart.
Fear is a natural human emotion,right?
But if we're really walking withthe power of the Holy Spirit,
that should be fleeting.
Um, but what I want to dig intois the fact that we are in a
spiritual battle and it is goodversus evil, evil, and it is
light versus darkness.
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And what do we mean by that?
Because there is this hugepsychological warfare campaign
happening right now on socialmedia that is aimed at keeping,
you know, the whole us versusthem narrative going.
And it's easy, even whenChristians say we're in a
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spiritual battle, good versusevil, light versus dark,
instantly people think thatmeans Democrats versus
Republicans, right versus left.
It doesn't mean that at all.
It means we are all one people,no matter how you voted under
God in a spiritual battleagainst the Antichrist.
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What is the Antichrist?
It is the spirit of deception,it's anything that goes against
the word of God.
You know, that is our battle,and we all need to come
together.
We have more in common than wedo have differences, believe it
or not, despite what you see,because social media is only
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going to show you the craziestof the craziest on both sides.
They don't show you your niceneighbor who, you know, maybe
didn't have as much access tothe same information that you
did, who voted differently thanyou, right?
But isn't out there on thefringe.
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
Yeah, and I think um voting, I mean I say this in
with perfect eloquence, okay,but what we vote for is I would
call it more representative ofwhere we're at with our walk
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with the Lord and ourunderstanding of the Bible.
It's a direct reflection.
Yeah.
And the deeper we go, or it's aReflection of the pain that
we're still trapped in.
So good.
Okay.
So we could be voting from aplace of undealt with pain.
Yeah.
Um, you know, I've been prettyforward to say is an example
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that I am pro-life.
I'm a woman who chooses life.
I had an opportunity not to.
Anytime you know you're having ababy uh as an 18-year-old calls
into question like, are yougonna be able to do this?
Are you gonna be able to make ago of it?
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
And I obviously chose life, and my daughter just
celebrated her 31st birthday,praise the Lord.
Um, but I say that because if Ichose abortion, there could have
been an opportunity for me to betrapped in the pain, the
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spiritual pain of that abortion.
SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:54):
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
And if I haven't dealt with thatpain, I could be voting pro
choice because it's everyone'sright to choose what to do with
your body.
Yeah.
And I am making a decision basedon my own life experience and my
own pain to actually protectmyself in being right, as
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opposed to say, what does Godsay?
Well, God is very clear, beforeyou were formed in your mother's
womb, before you were formed inyour mother's womb, I created
you.
So God is the author of life,and he says it starts before.
People say, when when does thewhen does the fetus become the
baby?
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It's before it's even formed.
SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
That's what the Bible says.
And so when we can really startto take some of these cultural
issues, they're not politicalissues, you know, it's not a
policy problem, it's a humanheart problem.
Yeah.
So when we start to take some ofthese hard issues that we have
to deal with in our modern dayculture, not the first culture,
go back to the Roman times.
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I mean, again, they weresacrificing people in gladiator
arenas.
Like that'd be like us havingpeople in Bank of America
Stadium and like putting a tribeof people in the middle of the
stadium and unlocking lions onthem and letting the lions
devour them and celebrating.
SPEAKER_03 (32:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
And quite frankly, we're not too far off of that if
we're celebrating theassassination of a public figure
on a global, global scene here.
Yeah.
So anyway, when we our heartsfor doing this podcast, going
back to the beginning, yeah, isbecause we really prayerfully
want our voices to cut throughleft and right, to cut through
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Democrat, Republican.
Yes.
We want to be centered on God'struth.
And if we ever say anything onthis podcast that stirs you to
say that's not right, they'rewrong, you get upset or
frustrated.
We don't want you to sit in it.
We want you to call, call usabout that.
And we will address it.
(32:58):
We'll either have a conversationwith you, uh, or we'll have a
session, uh podcast episode toactually go into it even in more
detail.
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:07):
But we're not here to be right.
We're here to be aligned withGod's word.
So good.
And it's the heartbeat behindwhy we're here.
SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
So good.
So thank you for pausing me andgoing into that because it's so
critically important.
SPEAKER_03 (33:21):
It really is, yeah.
I mean, culturally, um, and ofcourse, we decided this was
placed on our hearts weeksbefore this happened, uh, the
full circle moments, you know,topic, but it's it's fascinating
uh how we are bringing beingbrought back over and over again
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culturally to the same generalbattles, right?
Or we're having an opportunityto go, okay, let's get right in
our heart.
Where are we in our walk withthe Lord?
That's right.
Um, because every time we haveone of these full circle
moments, uh it's like, you know,a mirror, right?
And that mirror not only showsus the evil in the world, and
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boy, is it doing that in spades,um, but it's also showing us
what the work that's left to bedo done in our own hearts,
right?
So well said.
SPEAKER_01 (34:12):
So so good.
Okay.
So let's get into it.
So, yeah.
So often, what do we mean by forfull circle moments?
It's typically where God willbring us back to a person,
place, or a situation from ourpast, but it feels like almost
groundhog's day.
It's now present time.
Deja vu.
(34:33):
Deja vu, baby.
It's like, where why am I hereagain?
And it's like this full circlemoment.
Yeah, it's not about punishment,it's not about repeating a test,
and it's not about being stuckin this forever-ending loop
cycle.
That's right.
It's God's way to show us howfar we've come and to then say,
(34:56):
get ready, because I'm gettingready to launch you.
That's right.
And sometimes things can bedormant for so long when we hit
this full circle moment.
And what do I mean by dormant?
He could play, he could haveplaced a promise in our heart
that we have not thought aboutfor so long that we we hit this
full circle moment, we're veryconfused.
(35:19):
We're like, why?
But we want to help peopleidentify when when God takes you
back to the beginning, there'sdivine purpose in it.
So the faster you can see it,you can be more prepared to get
ready to launch into the purposeof your destiny that He's called
you to be in for this moment.
SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
Yeah, that's so good.
So again, it's an invitationfrom God to really reflect, to
heal, um, to step forward, youknow, with gratitude and wisdom
instead of fear.
It's moments that once feltheavy.
Now you're like, oh, this isthis doesn't trigger me anymore
because I'm different.
(35:56):
The situation is the same, butI'm different, and so it no
longer has power over me.
Um, there are opportunitieswhere we see, you know, God's
fingerprints kind of all overit, even just what we spoke
about culturally.
I mean, maybe there's somethings that have happened
historically, uh, maybe duringCOVID for you, or that didn't
feel right in your gut, or youknow, when men started entering
(36:19):
women's locker rooms or uhwinning their medals, uh, it
didn't feel right and you didn'tspeak up, but now we've been
brought around to anothersimilar battle, looks a little
different, but similar battle,where do you sit today?
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Yeah.
And do you feel stuck?
SPEAKER_03 (36:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
Do you feel stuck?
Because the when God keepsbringing full circle moments
around, he's also trying toteach us something.
And so it's really again, ifwe're stuck in a position of
needing to be right continually,oftentimes let's just say we are
right according to the word ofGod.
Okay, so I'm right.
(36:59):
I don't want men in my lockerroom when I'm getting undressed
as a female.
I don't want that.
SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
Let's say I let's say I'm right on that, but God
keeps bringing it to me.
Well, I'm missing something.
It's like, what does he want meto learn?
Well, maybe it's because I havebeen silent.
I haven't told people that Iactually feel that way.
I haven't used my voice.
And sometimes when we say stopbeing silent, it doesn't mean
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that you have to get on socialmedia and start ranting all over
the place, right?
It just means you haveinfluence, you have emotional
relational equity with people.
SPEAKER_03 (37:37):
Every day.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Are you stewarding truth wisely and effectively?
SPEAKER_03 (37:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
Or are you sitting on the treasure?
So, right, it reminds me of inMatthew, where the uh the master
gave the servants uh talents.
I think it was one talent, fivetalents, ten talents.
And the one with ten multipliedabundantly, the one with five
multiplied abundantly, and theone with one went and buried it
(38:05):
and said, I buried it to save itbecause I didn't want to, I know
the wrath that I would get frommy master.
And basically it was away fromme.
You're an evildoer because youdidn't multiply.
And so it's this notion that yousit on a treasure of wisdom and
truth, and if you don't use itto share it, it's wasted.
And that's that's travesty inthe eyes of the Lord.
(38:27):
And so that's one example wheresitting silent may be like God
has brought this thing fullcircle to you because you still
haven't stewarded the wisdom.
Now, let's just say that you'renot on the right side of truth,
okay?
And that you're actually stuckin a lie.
And it's not because you'reignorant or, you know, God
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doesn't have plans for you andall those things.
It's because Satan is theslanderer.
He is the father of lies, andhe, his number one job is to
make us believe the lies.
And I know there's still lies Ibelieve right now in this
moment.
He's good at it.
He's so good at it.
And that's why God continuallysays we have to take every
thought captive, not somethoughts, every thought, because
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we have this enemy who'sconstantly working on us,
constantly, constantly,constantly.
And so if God is constantlybringing something around, the
very first thing I want tounderstand, sometimes I don't do
it though, right?
Is what am I supposed to learnand what am I supposed to
change?
SPEAKER_03 (39:27):
That's a great question.
SPEAKER_01 (39:28):
So some full circle moments are to unlock truth and
to unlock purpose in our life.
It's it's faith with action.
SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
What else does it remind you of?
I mean, just kind of somemainstream examples could be,
you know, things like MichaelJordan.
Um, if you know his story, hewas cut from, you know, his high
school basketball team only toreturn as one of the greatest
players of all time, right?
There's a full circle moment.
Or Steve Jobs fired from Appleonly to return and revolutionize
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the company.
So good.
I think of one of my favoritemovies, which is Goodwill
Hunting, um, where you know,Will's therapy forces him to
revisit old wounds and heal,right?
Um, and change his entirefuture.
So there's tons of examples.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
So good.
And it's also it points toanother reason why we have full
circle moments, because God'spower of redemption, what was
the source of pain, is now thesource of launching into our
destiny.
It's so good.
You know what movie comes to mymind?
Pretty woman.
I know it's you know, there's apart of me.
(40:42):
Um I know I'm just too.
Like who so what?
But there's a there's a part ofme that actually, as I've gotten
older, I've come not to likeI've come not to like that movie
for some reasons of like it gloroverglorifies prostitution.
Sure.
But in all seriousness, there isthis underlying current that
through her pain of herlifestyle, right, she actually
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rediscovers her worth and heragency.
Yeah.
And she's able to step out ofthat lifestyle and into what I
will call God's direction forher life.
Yeah.
But you go from the street,right, to then standing on your
own two feet.
And I think that's just anotherpower of God's redemption
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through it all.
SPEAKER_03 (41:28):
Yeah.
I mean, when the Holy Spiritdoes his thing in and through
you, um, these full circlemoments can really be things
that you look forward to ascelebrations because you find
yourself going, Wait a minute,like that thing used to just set
me off, you know, and now I'mwalking with this peace.
I took a breath because you'redifferent now.
(41:50):
The situation is the same, butyou're different.
That's it's pretty cool when youhave that experience.
SPEAKER_01 (41:55):
I love it.
And I'm having a real-time uhfull circle moment even now.
So you picked this scripture uhfor this episode.
I didn't, but it's a part of uhmy sharing, and so I'm gonna
share it and see if you pick upon what I'm pointing to.
Okay.
Ecclesiastes 3-1.
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3-1, 31.
SPEAKER_03 (42:17):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (42:17):
There is a time for everything and a season for
every activity under theheavens.
So you picked this out, what wasit, 10 days ago, a couple weeks
ago.
Yeah.
And uh I didn't tell you that 31was prominent.
You did not.
And here we are, Ecclesiastes,Ecclesiastes 3.1.
Amazing.
God is so good.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
Which reminds us that God works in ordained
rhythms.
Yes.
There is a cycle, a process,something that might feel
random.
SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
It's it's not.
That's right.
So the comfort is that when wefind ourselves in full circle
moments, we are not failing,we're not going backwards, we're
not stuck.
It's an appointed time, Godappoints the seasons, it's an
appointed time for our healing,our maturity, and it's a new
perspective to unlock hispurposes in our life.
SPEAKER_03 (43:07):
Yeah, well, the ultimate biblical full circle
moment is reflected in Genesis50-20 with the story of Joseph.
SPEAKER_01 (43:14):
Oh, yes, story of Joseph.
He got a dream when he was 17and he had to wait 13 years.
There it is again, uh, for thefulfillment of that dream to
come true.
Uh, so just to remind us of whatthe story of Joseph is, he was
betrayed by his brothers.
They he they basically sold himinto slavery.
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From there, uh, Joseph foundhimself uh just in a pit of life
constantly, thrown in prison,wrongly accused, wrongly
sentenced.
And then uh he would findhimself with the dream fulfilled
that he would actually be theruler over many, um, and that
his brothers would be bowing tohim.
(43:56):
That came came true.
And he found himself at theright hand of Pharaoh, uh
literally building up astorehouse of grain and food for
a famine that would come.
Yeah.
So he was used for provisionover the nations, and then uh he
really was uh it was divinefulfillment of prophecy.
(44:18):
But there's this moment wherethe brothers come back to get
more food, and they're talkingto uh Joseph, and you know, they
were they had blinders on, theycouldn't actually recognize that
Joseph was the brother, andthere is the moment where Joseph
reveals his identity, says, I amJoseph, I am still alive, and it
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was the display of Joseph'sheart, and we've talked about
this on prior episodes, but itwas what you intended to harm
me, God intended for good.
So this full circle moment wherethe very people that threw him
into slavery are the very peoplethat Joseph blessed when the
time came.
And like it's incrediblyimportant, important.
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So he was faced with thegreatest pain of his life, and
yet God says, Here, you're atthe beginning, what are you
gonna do with it?
And it just continued to launchhim into the destiny that God
had for him.
SPEAKER_03 (45:11):
Yeah, I mean, that story is it's very much the
blueprint for for what we'retalking about today, right?
From from uh betrayal to toslavery to prison to the palace.
SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
That's right, completely full circle.
Yep, and you can you see throughthat the 13 years of how more
and more of Joseph's Joseph'sflesh was shed.
SPEAKER_03 (45:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
And he just kept, you know, chasing the heart of
the father and just figuring outwhat does it mean to be loyal to
him.
So again, there was purpose inthe pain.
That's right, and the pain ledto destiny.
And how God proves that nothingis wasted, just like he's doing
with Charlie.
Amen.
Yeah.
So just clicking into more ofthe purpose behind the full
(45:54):
circle.
You know, we've said sometimesthe starting point is the very
same place that's the turningpoint into our destiny.
So, what does that mean a littlebit more?
That God is going to completesomething.
So he's getting ready, he hegave a promise and now he's
gonna complete it.
Or maybe it's the start oftransformation and he's gonna
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complete that transformation.
And you have to go back to theplace of the pain or the start
of whatever the promise was tosee the healing and the rest of
the restoration complete.
Yeah.
Also, perspective shift.
So sometimes it used to be whereI would go back to my hometown
as an example, and I would goback there and it would, I would
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become like a 12-year-old again.
I don't know why.
Even though I'm a grown woman,remember you telling me that.
I would go back home and all ofa sudden I would take on
characteristics of that of a12-year-old or a 15-year-old.
It happens to a lot of us.
It's like regression.
Right.
And it was like because everytime I would go there, it would,
I would get triggered in who Iwas at that point in my life,
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and I would start to have thesecharacteristics just pop out of
nowhere.
Now I go back and I remain thesame.
I'm consistent in who I am.
So it's an indication of theperspective has shifted and the
healing and the restoration iscomplete.
And uh my favorite, my favoriteof all of the um the full circle
moments, though, is launchinginto purpose.
(47:19):
Like the promise of the future,the plans that he has for us is
good, is to proper us, to give,uh, prosper us, to give us hope
in that future.
SPEAKER_03 (47:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
And so if we look at Philippians 1, 6, being
confident of this, that he whobegan the good work in us will
carry it to completion until theday of Christ's return.
That means that God is in thebusiness of finishing what he
starts.
Sometimes he has to bring usback to close the loop because
what is a loop?
It's a circle.
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It needs to close.
And when he hasn't finished thechapter yet, he's just going to
keep on going until it's done.
SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
So just to make sure that our listeners are tracking,
there's really four mainpurposes for full circle
seasons.
You mentioned completion, uh,healing and restoration,
perspective shift, and thenlaunching into purpose.
And so at the end of the day,God is not content with
half-finished healing.
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Um, he, you know, loves usenough to keep bringing us back
to the same things over and overagain.
Of course, I often liken it tojust to check to see if I'm
still stupid.
That's that's the Elisa versionof it.
But of course, he's not everdoing that.
He's he's he's bringing us backto show us how far we've come or
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the areas we have yet to heal.
SPEAKER_01 (48:42):
I love it.
And you know, also just one lastthing to help connect our
audience to where are you on thecompass of the full circle?
It could also be that memoriesfrom the past keep emerging, or
it could be dreams from the pastkeep emerging.
And if those things keep poppingup and you're not sure why, just
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pause, take notice, and start tounpack that with God.
SPEAKER_03 (49:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:05):
Because sometimes the place, the destination, the
location that He's bringing youfull circle to, you don't
physically have to be in thatplace.
It can be in your mind.
Yeah.
So when I think about thememories that I have in just
full circle moments in my ownlife, I kind of talked about my
aunt and that whole process, mytwo aunts in the whole process
(49:26):
to today.
But I've also just had these uhthings come up in my spirit
where my favorite song, I'vementioned this on prior
episodes, is God bless the USA.
God bless the USA.
Hey.
Like I love that song so much.
I used to sing it out as a kid,and it's a full circle moment
because that is not your typicalheadline song.
(49:49):
Yeah.
But then all of a sudden, whenyou know our current president
uses that for his campaign song,it's hitting every you know,
airwave on the planet, and it'slike a full circle moment.
This song has been dormant sinceI was a kid, and now it's front
and center stage.
So it's a it's a time for me totake notice.
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If that song wasn't important tome as a kid, I wouldn't probably
be taking as much notice.
But because in my life, thatsong was such an important
factor in my childhood, fullcircle moment.
Also, I'm starting to dream ofmy grandmother again, and it's
it's continual dreams wherepeople keep coming up and I
can't let it go.
That means something's stirringin my spirit, and God's taking
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me back to the beginning to justcontinue to unpack her pain or
to release me to where he'staking me next.
My grandmother, for example, wasthe believer that I could do all
things, that it doesn't matterhow big my dream was, I was
gonna conquer the dream.
And so typically when I'mdreaming of her, it means that
dreams in my life that arereally deep and big are getting
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ready to get unlocked with God.
And so it's uh kind of cool.
And then just to landmark it forpeople this summer specifically,
I've taken three business trips,and it's literally the footsteps
of my career by city.
My first trip, I went back toSan Francisco in California.
I started with Oracle Technologyand uh a little bit of
(51:18):
Microsoft, but Oracle was apredominant uh player in my
experience, and they'reheadquartered in San Francisco.
Then I went to Chicago, andobviously I grew up in Chicago,
and then I found myself in NewYork City.
So those three cities, if youlook at my career map, I landed
in all three cities.
And so when we say full circle,God is taking us back to the
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beginning, that's what we mean,either through dream, through
thought, or it can be literalphysical location.
How about you?
SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
Yeah, I mean, it it reminds me of Romans 12.2, um,
be transformed by the renewingof your mind, which isn't just
poetry, it's it's real, right?
It's we've spoken aboutspiritual bingo.
I'm squirting this.
SPEAKER_02 (52:06):
I'm looking right at it, not even registering.
Yeah, it's like spiritualneuroscience, you know, where he
rewires our brain and anddefinitely heals, heals our
heart.
SPEAKER_03 (52:17):
I mean, for me, um, one of the clearest examples I
think of of full circle momentsI think of um is for years, many
years ago, fortunately, I foundmyself dating the same kind of
man, kind of over and overagain, just in a you know,
different, different body.
Um, and and I would say whatthey had in common was they were
(52:40):
all carrying deep wounds um thatthey were unwilling to see, you
know, face or or heal.
And so um I thought it was myjob to fix them, you know.
I was gonna love them so muchthat I was gonna fill up that
(53:01):
great big gaping hole inside ofthem.
But, you know, you after Goddoes work on you, you realize
there's only one who canactually uh fill that kind of
hole, right?
But in the process, you know,when God was working on me, I
had to realize that obviously,you know, I had my own healing
to do or I wouldn't have beenattracted to that in the first
(53:22):
place.
Um and and what what's kind ofinteresting looking back is I I
think I misled myself for anumber of years because my whole
life I have been drawn topersonal growth.
I've always been somebody who'sleaned into that.
I love talking about psychologyand why people do the things
(53:42):
that they do.
Um, I would be drawn to, youknow, personal growth podcasts
and self-help books and allthose sorts of things.
So somehow in my mind, thatconvinced me that I was the
healthy one, right?
But uh I realized that that washead knowledge, you know, and it
was before the heart knowledgeand the heart transformation
(54:05):
that God had to do, you know, inmy life.
So I've shared on this podcast,you know, through my marriage
and and and my divorce, God, youknow, moved me from that, just
the intellectual understandingwhere I started to see, you
know, my part in choosing that,um, where, you know, I was
(54:25):
clearly more comfortable inchaos um and fixing than I was
in in peace.
But now, um, now when Iencounter those kinds of people,
it's like a giant red flaginstantly, you know.
I don't, I don't want a projectanymore.
I want a partner that's truly apartner, you know, somebody
(54:47):
obviously who's not perfectbecause none of us are, um, but
somebody that I can can growwith and and and build with.
Um, and now what used to feelboring, um, now feels like home.
And I protect, you know, mypeace and my energy like like
never before.
Um, you know, I often say, um,this is I'm laughing at myself.
SPEAKER_02 (55:13):
It's good that I entertain myself, actually.
Because it makes me think likeonce the Holy Spirit does his
work inside of you, it's likeonce you're a pickle, you can
never be a cucumber again.
SPEAKER_01 (55:27):
You're gonna use that one, aren't you?
You cracked me up.
I love it.
I think that's so beautifullysaid.
You know what?
You just made me realizesomething real time as those
beautiful poetic words werecoming out of your mouth.
Because you are constantlychasing growth, yeah, it's easy
to assume the people around usare as well.
SPEAKER_00 (55:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:47):
And that because we've actually seen effective
growth in our own life, we thinkthat we can impart our desire
unto them.
SPEAKER_00 (55:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:54):
And so, to your point, recognize when you have a
project versus a partner.
Yeah.
And are you really meant to havethe project in your life?
That, wow, that just spoke somedivine revelation to me.
I think that's a perfect segueinto the science and the spirit,
right?
So if we look at Dr.
Caroline Leaf's work again,which we've talked about her
work in previous episodes, shereally goes through how the
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brain creates loops andpatterns.
And so what we physically arethinking, our thoughts are
physical, right?
I'm just reminding us, ourthoughts are actually physical,
they're just not vapors outthere.
They get imprinted on our brainsand we create loops and patterns
in our brain.
So, what we're fixing our mindson, the if we're fixing our
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thoughts on fears and thingsthat cause us shame or anything
that's negative, we're gonnahave a loop structure that lives
in that space.
And uh, so sometimes God iscontinually, it's groundhogs
day, full circle moments,because we're not getting out of
this loop pattern that He needsus to get out of.
And so it's an indicator,literally, physically through
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neuroscience, that it's time totake heed, grab those thoughts,
and how do we start tointentionally change the thought
patterns?
And God says to fix our thoughtson things that are holy and pure
and all the goodness of theLord.
And so the good news is thatit's absolutely possible to
physically rewire our brains.
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Yeah.
And we talked about that in aprevious episode.
SPEAKER_03 (57:26):
Oh, it's so important not to miss that.
Her work is is is exceptional.
As you she has been known tosay, as you think, you change
the structure of your brain.
So what is beautiful about thatis we're not a victim of our own
biology.
We're we are participants in it,right?
And that's why in Romans 12,too, Paul was not just being
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poetic, although it is, youknow, poetic.
Um, it's, you know, spiritualneuroscience.
He was prophesying neuroscience,really.
SPEAKER_01 (57:59):
It's the Bible, you know, uh the science catching up
with the Bible again.
Yeah, right.
And for those who are listeningand not watching, I'm wearing a
shirt that says, uh, do not beconformed to the ways of the
world, but be transformed,Romans 12, too, which was not
planned, but we keep makingreference to my shirt if you're
not uh able to watch us, butyou're listening in.
But I love also Dr.
Daniel Amon's work that wetalked about as well.
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And he goes through the benefitsof when we're rewiring our
brains, it actually causes ourbrains to heal, means our brains
start to calm down, they'restarting to get healed and
nourished, and it allows us tonow move into more positive
experiences.
And so there's like the physicalmanifestation of dealing with
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our negative thoughts helps usheal the physical matter of the
brain that then leads to theexperiences that we have in our
day-to-day.
SPEAKER_03 (58:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've spoken a lot about howprayer and our thoughts actually
releases chemicals, right?
Um, so again, we're not stuckwith the brain that we have.
Um, each and every one of us canmake it better and renew it,
transform it.
SPEAKER_01 (59:08):
I love it.
Yes.
Everyone should take away fromtoday.
You don't have to be stuck withthe brain you have.
That's it.
I love that one.
Mic drop.
Mic drop.
Don't be stuck with that brainyou have.
Okay, so make it better, renewit, transform it.
I love it.
So let's wrap this up.
(59:29):
Yeah.
Um, we are never broken beyondrepair.
God has given us this divineability to heal and change our
brains physically so we can growand we can launch into the
purposes that He has for us.
SPEAKER_03 (59:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (59:45):
Which is a full circle conversation back to the
beginning.
What's the hope?
What's the light?
That we can be a beacon to theworld to make disciples of the
nations.
That's what this is all about.
100%.
SPEAKER_03 (59:57):
Yeah.
So some practical steps, ofcourse.
Pause and pray, right?
Um you hit on this beautifullyearly on about how you are
hearing this is a moment forpause.
Every full circle moment is anopportunity for us to pause and
ask, Lord, what are you tryingto show me here?
You know, why am I triggered?
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What is this feeling that's comeover me?
That gives us some space forclarity and opportunity to hear
from the Lord, right?
You ask him, he'll that's right,he'll show you.
Um, we've spoken about thisevery single time, and you um
find great power and claritythrough journaling.
That's right.
Journaling makes a hugedifference.
(01:00:43):
Um, again, you know, alwaysasking and and looking for the
lesson.
Um, and then gratitude,gratitude is is it reframes
everything, really.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:52):
It is.
Gratitude's everything.
It's and we did a whole episodeon it.
So if you missed that episode,go back and watch it.
I think it was episode five.
Uh, but it's really gratitudeopens the heart for the
transformation.
Once we really understand whatGod gave up for us, it just we
live a life of gratitude.
Uh, we'll close with James 1,starting at verses two through
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four.
Trials produce perseverance,maturity, and completeness.
Full seek circle seasons are theways that God highlights where
we're continuing to betransformed.
It's also the signal of wherehe's launching us into our
purpose.
And so, what we would like to dois if this podcast has resonated
with you today, we want you toshare it with your friends.
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Everyone, we need to hear yourtestimonies.
Yes.
Uh, share it with us on theDoubledose Podcast through
Instagram.
You can certainly send us anemail and we'll get back to you.
But we want to hear from you.
Yeah, I mean, we want to shareyour hope and light.
Exactly.
And so share this podcast withyour friends too.
Like, subscribe, share, like,subscribe, share.
Did I say it enough?
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I did awesome.
So, with that, I think I'm justgoing to close this in prayer
and there we have it.
So, Heavenly Father, we justthank you for these moments of a
full circle season, Lord.
We thank you that you've givenus eyes to see it, to understand
it, and to hear what you wouldhave us do in this season.
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We are so grateful that we knowthat we can trust you, we can
depend on you, even whenheadlines scream darkness.
You sing praise, you sing joy,you sing light.
And so, what the enemy meant toharm us, you will use for good
Lord.
And we put firm trust in you.
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You are our firm foundation.
So we thank you for the plansthat you have for us to prosper
us, to give us a hope for abeautiful, bright future, and we
remain confident in this.
You who began the good work inus will see it to completion.
In the name of Jesus, we pray.
Amen.
Good morning, friend.
Good morning.
Wow, so much has happened sincethe last time we were here in
the studio.
Yeah, it's our first day backsince Charlie was murdered.
Yeah, devastation.
You know, and I know the onething that God has just really
put on my heart in all of thisis this pause that really just
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take a pause.
It's unbelievable.
On one hand, I'm in awe of thevoices that have arisen to
celebrate his life, than tostand, you know, firm in truth
with the swirl of the enemy'slies, just wrapping around
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Charlie's life.
There's just so much noisethat's starting to rise and
amplify.
SPEAKER_00 (01:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:04):
That God has just said, pause.
And like, really, what are wetalking about?
And many people have said it,and you almost don't want to be
uh a broken record.
Yeah.
And you don't want to be justanother voice that's creating
noise, but clarity and peace.
(01:25):
And really, what does God say inall this?
And where is the hope and thelight?
Yeah.
On such a world stage whereyou're we're witnessing evil.
SPEAKER_03 (01:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (01:35):
And there's no confusion on what we witnessed.
Anytime there is murder, thereis evil at hand.
Absolutely.
And the fact that we as apeople, I'm not going to say the
United States of America or theleft versus the right, I'm not
going to use any of those words.
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God created mankind.
Doesn't matter what land we liveon, doesn't matter whether he
created us male or female.
Murder in the sight of the Lordis evil.
SPEAKER_03 (02:11):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:12):
And any time we can find ourselves celebrating or
being okay with evil, it's not atime to be right.
SPEAKER_03 (02:24):
We are way far away from God when you're doing that.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Yeah.
And so what I feel led to kindof start today's session with,
and today's September 19th, thiswon't be released until October.
So it may feel for ourlisteners, you know, there might
be a bit of a distance from, youknow, certainly where we find
ourselves today in a coupleweeks from now, because it's
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amazing how much can happen justin two weeks, right?
Um but what I really just wantto stand firm on is one,
Charlie, uh, in the best of hisability, I believe, and I always
want to believe positive intent.
He ran the race God put in frontof him.
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Did he do it perfectly?
Do did he do it without fail?
No, because God says we all fallshort of the glory of God.
Uh but he says, don't give up.
Yeah.
You know, chase the author andfinisher of your race and run,
run like heck.
Yeah.
Right?
Because time is short.
(03:29):
And many people have said itthat he has done more in 31
years than most most people dowith 100 years.
Absolutely.
Right.
Um and he he did.
He there's there's a lot ofpeople that have a lot of
thoughts and opinions that arewilling to air their thoughts
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and opinions on social media,but it's a level, another level
of commitment when someone putsfoot to action.
So what do I mean by that?
Charlie not just went totelevision and podcasting to
share his viewpoints.
He traveled campus to campus tocampus to campus to campus for
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13 years.
Yeah.
That's a lot of toil, that's alot of work.
Oh, yeah.
And so he put the energy andeffort into what he had high
conviction on.
And I don't no one can disputethat.
I mean, it's a living testimony.
Now, what we can start to diginto is did he have the source
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of truth the right way?
And of course, we believe hedid.
He stood on biblical ground.
Um, so people can question didhe get this right?
Did he get this one wrong?
I mean, maybe you can startdebating that.
But what you can't debate is theman had a heart after God
because, you know, the proof isin the action.
(04:58):
Yeah.
And uh even the way that heloved his family, uh, his wife
Erica and his two children, Imean, it's just he lived it out.
You know, a lot of people don'tlive out what they believe,
they're hypocritical in nature,and he lived it out.
SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (05:15):
And for that is hard to hear sometimes, right?
SPEAKER_01 (05:17):
It's always hard to hear.
Yeah.
Even as believers.
And when you share it with graceand humility and love, it's hard
to hear.
So hey, listen, I'm imperfectevery single day, and my
husband's very quick to tell mewhen I'm being imperfect and
it's not good to hear.
Yeah.
And my flesh coils and I don'twant to hear it.
SPEAKER_00 (05:35):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (05:35):
And then the Holy Spirit does the magical work and
convicts my heart, and I canconfront the truth.
But if I'm not willing toconfront the truth, I'm never,
I'm just gonna stay stuck whereI'm at.
Yeah.
And so um, I say all this to saya lot of words to say that we
honor the life of Charlie Kirk.
We believe that he stood inbiblical truth.
Yeah, and uh we find ourselvesauthentically confused how
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anybody can celebrate the murderof another human being.
Agreed.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (06:08):
Well, let's dig into the hope and the light in all of
this, because I think it'sreally important um that we
don't miss this as anopportunity, which I know might
sound odd, uh, but it's easy tothink that death and defeat is
the end.
But as you and I both know, Godwill use it to increase his
kingdom, and we're alreadyseeing a ton of evidence of that
(06:30):
right now.
You know, right now across theworld, more people are open to
the gospel than ever beforebecause of his life and his
death.
So I feel like our job right nowis to honor that sacrifice by
picking up, you know, the cross,right, and carrying the torch
(06:52):
and living like Charlie.
I love, I love that saying,meaning live your life out loud
with courage, with faith, uh,share the gospel, go out and
make disciples of the nations,right?
And sometimes that soundsmassive uh as an undertaking,
(07:13):
but keep in mind we're makingdisciples every single minute of
every day in our own circles ofinfluence, right?
In your neighborhood, when yougo to the grocery store, the
person who waits on your table,like all of those are
opportunities for us to live ourfaith out loud and carry on that
torch.
SPEAKER_01 (07:32):
Amen.
There's always an opportunity.
And you know, I just going backto what you said, we don't want
to miss the opportunity to sharethe hope and light through such
um tragedy.
And this is the this is also apart of the good news.
Like if you look at the Jewishtradition, God appoints a time
that there's a period formourning.
(07:54):
So it's righteous, it's holy,not to skip past mourning.
So there is divine holiness inthis resting in the mourning and
the loss of someone.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then on the other side ofit, it says, now get on with
dancing and singing.
Because if you do have thefaith, guess what?
(08:17):
We know where Charlie's at andwhat happens to all of those who
are still here.
We have to keep on living.
And God says to rejoice in themorning and rejoice in the
evening as the sun rises,rejoice.
As the sun sets, rejoice.
Yeah, and so where is the hopeand the light in what you just
said?
People are coming to the Lord,etc.
SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (08:38):
There's also this, God is constantly talking, and
it really dovetails straightinto what we're going to talk
about today.
For the last, I would say, um,probably since June, actually,
and I'll share a little bit of apersonal journey that I've been
on.
So when my just to kind of setthe stage, and I hope I all you
(09:00):
listeners out there, those whoare watching us on YouTube,
don't lose me.
So if I if if I lose you throughwhat I'm getting ready to tell
you, hit the rewind button.
Like wait till you get home soyou can slow down if you're
listening in the car.
But God speaks to me throughnumbers.
I mean, that's just what hedoes.
Yeah.
And people have um been kind ofweirded out by that when I say
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that, because they don't reallyunderstand that God's native
tongue is Hebrew, and Hebrew isunderwritten by uh a numbering
system.
There's 22 letters in the Hebrewalphabet, and every underneath
every letter is an actualnumber.
And so when you start to seepatterns of numbers, it has
Hebrew meaning.
And if those things keep comingup to you, chances are if you
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understand it, God's actuallycommunicating to you.
And it's just one of thewonderful, supernatural ways
that in John, where it says thatthose who believe without seeing
are even more blessed.
When we hear God communicatingto us, um, it is such a
blessing.
So don't be weirded out by whatI'm getting ready to tell you
because I'm very much used to itand it comes very natural to me.
(10:06):
But if you're hearing this forthe first time, stick with me,
please.
Right?
Please, right?
I can testify.
Okay.
So the hope in the light.
Uh so back in June, um, I hadlost an aunt.
Okay, she had passed away.
She had been uh suffering forfrom dementia for a couple of
years, and uh the Lord finallytook her home on June 1st.
(10:32):
And it was a really hardexperience for me to go through.
It still is.
I'm still processing that grief.
And why do I say it that way?
Because 31 years ago, um, I lostanother a-and this aunt that I
lost was uh my father's sister.
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It's my aunt Bonnie.
And my Aunt Bonnie was aspiritual mother to me.
She had the faith of an Elijah.
I mean, she was just a beacon ofhope.
And she went to be with the Lordon 1014, 1994.
So in June, she had been gone,you know, for 30 years.
(11:13):
It's her 31-year anniversarythis year.
And my uncle, who was married tomy Aunt Bonnie, remarried, and
he remarried to my AuntRoseanne.
My Aunt Roseanne is the one thatactually passed in June.
And so I have the reminder ofthe aunt that I had lost when I
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was a teenager, which was areally hard loss for me.
And then I'm now in a seasonwhere I don't want to say her
replacement because you cannever replace a person, but his
second wife, who over 30 yearsof life I've come to love very
much, and she became anotherspiritual mother to me, I was
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losing her in this now season.
And it became a full circlemoment for me.
And we're gonna talk about fullcircles today.
SPEAKER_03 (12:04):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (12:05):
But why I know that this is a divine message that
we're gonna talk about today isbecause of everything that's
happened from June till now.
So in June, when I was justwriting out my heart to the Lord
and processing the death of myaunt, he had brought so many
things to the forefront of howshe had blessed me throughout my
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life.
And it reminded me that throughthe loss of my first aunt when I
was 18, that he was faithful togive me another mother,
spiritual mother, to love me.
Completely different person shewas.
(12:48):
She was completely differentdemeanor.
Her characteristics were wildlydifferent.
She was a New Yorker, verydirect, and could be almost
abrasive with her communicationstyle.
And my Aunt Bonnie, she wasgentle as a dove and very
graceful, like all the things.
And for a while, it was reallyhard for me to accept that my
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uncle would marry someone sodifferent from my Aunt Bonnie.
Like, why would you pick someonewho's complete opposite, not in
spirit, but just in physicalflesh outward expression?
But God had showed me over theyears how in the next season of
my spiritual growth, I neededdirectness.
(13:30):
I needed that tough love.
I didn't need the gentle lamb.
And he was faithful to actuallygive me exactly what I would
need.
And it was this full circlemoment, this turning point where
I knew a new season in my ownlife was being birthed.
There was a chapter that closedwhen my Aunt Bonnie died.
(13:51):
Now, 30 years later, anotherchapter is closing, and God is
moving me into a new season oflife.
Both spiritually, He's taking meto another level and both in the
uh the spiritual, spirituallyand in the flesh, right?
So then fast forward, God hasreally been pressing on my
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heart.
Just I can't get away from it.
He's been talking to me aboutwhat does 30 mean?
What does 31 mean?
And the importance of losing myAunt Bonnie on October 14th,
1994.
And then even losing my AuntRoseanne on June 1st, which is
6'1, right?
(14:32):
And so 30 and 31, it's 61, 6'1.
And there's just always so muchmeaning in everything that he
gives me that we get to wherewe're at today, and he was
literally putting on my heart,you're gonna go back to the
beginning so I can birth what'scoming next.
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It's a tipping point for theturning point.
Those are the things that I'vebeen journaling since June,
Elisa.
And then on September 9th, itwas almost like he took the
radio and he turned it all theway up.
Yeah.
And he goes, if you've beenmissing what I've been telling
you for the past three months, Ineed you to stop, pause, and
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hear it now.
I need you to know that 30 isimportant.
I need you to know that 31 isimportant.
I need you to remember 10, 14.
These things are important.
I need you to remember 22.
And I'm like, why are all thesethings important?
Well, like it in the moment,it's like, okay, Lord, I'm
listening, but I still I knowit's a full circle.
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I understand the passing of myants.
I understand I'm going into anew season.
I get it all.
And then he was talking to meabout the airwaves.
And this may sound weird, butit's not.
It's the airwaves.
It's how our voices go out, it'ssocial media, it's how we
communicate in today's age.
And uh he said it's time for hisbride to take over the airwaves.
(16:03):
And what he showed me is thatour voices haven't been taking
over the airwaves.
And I'm not talking about juststart doing herald callings out
there.
Sure.
And start being louder andlouder and louder and turning up
the frequency of how much we'recommunicating.
It's the words that we'rechoosing to use are ineffective.
(16:25):
I just want to pause on that.
We have used a lot of words outthere, the right and the left,
the right and the left.
And honestly, I don't know aboutyou, but when I turn on the
radio or I turn on a podcast orI flip on social media, I hear
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either the right's words, sure,or I hear the left's words.
Sure.
But it can kind of get confusingand chaotic to understand where
is God's word.
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And there is a holy call to makesure we are messengers of his
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word.
Okay.
And so what do I mean by that?
We have created our own languageto describe things in our
culture.
And we have diluted meanings ofwords, we've misused words, etc.
And anytime there's chaos andconfusion and division, it's the
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enemy at work, it's not God atwork.
And so it's a holy pause time tosay, how do I start to use my
voice in an effective way?
How is it a double-edged swordthat pierces through the
darkness?
That's what it means to takeover the airwaves.
Yeah.
And so on September 9th, I'mwriting this out.
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It's time to take over theairwaves.
And um I wrote down a couplemedia companies in my journal.
I just thought God broughtpressed them on my heart.
Turning Point was one of them.
And I don't even follow TurningPoint.
I have a lot of respect for whatCharlie Kirk has done and what
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Turning Point will continue todo.
I have tremendous respect fortheir work and I care about him
as a brother in Christ, but it'snot someone that I went to went
to for day-to-day information.
It just, that's not where I wentfor my source of truth.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (18:27):
And so I say that to say it wouldn't be normal for me
in my own spirit to write downturning point.
I just wouldn't.
And so now fast forward to youknow September 10th when tragedy
hit yet again.
And what rang true on that day?
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Well, 1014, 1993 is the day thatCharlie Kirk was born.
1014.
Same anniversary date as my AuntBonnie.
Okay.
Uh he was 31 years old.
What's the mere number of 31?
It's 13.
He was in office for turningpoint for 13 years.
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Okay, all these things.
How old was the shooter?
22 years old.
So I say these things becauseGod gives me this revelation to
confirm where we're headed.
SPEAKER_00 (19:19):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
Did I know something horrible was going to happen to
Charlie?
Absolutely not.
But the hope in the light isthat God is speaking.
God is saying, I'm still incontrol.
Yeah.
I've given you a word.
We are to be heralds of truth.
We do know that there's asifting that's taking place in
the bride of Christ right now.
Okay.
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But we are to make sure that weare accountable for the words
that leave our mouth.
And God says in Jeremiah thatyou will be my prophet if your
words are worthy.
And even as Christians, evenwhen we're speaking truth, if we
wield his word with the wrongmotive of heart, it's misusing
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the word of God.
SPEAKER_03 (20:01):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (20:02):
And so that's the holy account.
And it gets to this whole notionthat God put on my heart, the
tipping point for the turningpoint, prophetically, that's the
hour we're in.
So this is an encouragement forall of those who are listening.
Like God does full circlemoments.
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He takes us back to thebeginning of where we started.
And it can be a source of pain,oftentimes, like where we start
as a source of pain.
But when he takes us back, we'retypically healed, or maybe
there's one more step of healingthat needs needs to take place,
but it's the turning point wherehe will launch us into our
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destiny.
And that is the hour we're in.
SPEAKER_03 (20:48):
Agreed.
You hit on wow, so manyimportant things actually.
And when I heard you say takingover the airwaves, I think it's
really important again for allof us to realize that the time
that we're in, if we have beensaved by his grace, then there
is a calling that has put on ourlife to go out and share the
(21:08):
gospel, right?
I think a lot of people, um, Ihear lots of people say, you
know, Charlie could never bereplaced, or I could never be a
Charlie.
So it almost leaves you stuck,you know, thinking, why even
try?
Well, the reality is, yeah,you're not gonna be Charlie.
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I'm not gonna be Charlie, you'renot gonna be.
There was one Charlie Kirk.
Um, but again, we are to go outand share.
It's never about the messengermessenger, it's about the power
of the message, always.
And what's so interesting, um,not coincidental because it
never is, right?
In my devotional this morning,uh uh took me to Ephesians and
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not even to this specific verse,but on this page.
And what jumped out at me thismorning was Paul, who said, I
became a servant of the gospelby the gift of God's grace given
me through the working of hispower.
Although I am less than theleast of all the Lord's people,
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this grace was given to me topreach to the Gentiles the
boundless riches of Christ.
So that is so important, Ithink, for all of us to hear.
I am less than the least wasn'tPaul being humble.
Paul was a sinner and he knewit.
He persecuted the church, he,you know, dragged believers into
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prison.
And even after being saved bygrace, he didn't have the
resume, he didn't have theeducation, he didn't have the
charisma and the beautifularticulation, right?
Um, but he, you know, isbasically saying, I know that
I'm not qualified, but I alsoknow that I have been saved by
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grace, and God calls us to goout and share it, right?
And make disciples of thenation.
So, I mean, that leads me tolike what's already happening,
where you're talking about thismoment that we're in and this
turning point as a result ofCharlie's death.
Um, the first weekend afterCharlie's death, we saw a 50%
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increase worldwide in peoplesearching for Christianity.
It's amazing.
I mean, tell tipping point forthe turning point.
50% worldwide.
We saw um TPU faith campusesrequests go from 4,000 to I I
should have checked thismorning.
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Last I checked to over 60,000.
Oh, that's amazing.
I thought it was 52,000.
And what are we like in a weekand a half or something?
They took in$10 million in asingle day.
Um, our church alone across justthree campuses saw a 47%
increase in attendance theweekend after Charlie's death.
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You know, I mean, it it'sunbelievable.
And our own um Pastor Troy, hehe um gave us a beautiful way to
really look at this, which getsme uh a little emotional.
But he said, every time abeliever lays down their life,
literally or metaphorically, itplants seeds that God can
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multiply for generations tocome.
And so what does he mean bythat?
Well, he explained that we couldthink of Charlie's bloodshed as
seeds that scattered uponimpact.
And so each one of those seedshas an opportunity right now to
be planted, to become a tree, tobecome a tree that produces much
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fruit, and then that fruit dies,becomes seeds that produces more
trees going, yeah, and morefruit.
It's full circle, and so yeah,we are being called.
That's it.
It's a full circle, you know, toplant, to pray, to preach, to
mobilize.
Um, and then we let God, youknow, handle the the increase.
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So I would encourage encourageeveryone right now, just like
our pastor encouraged us, askGod, what do you want me to do
with this seed?
SPEAKER_01 (25:24):
Yeah, that is so good.
Alisa, when you shared thatturning point, took in took in
over$10 million in one day.
This was prompted in my spirit,so I just feel compelled to
share it, you know.
Um I want to talk about theshooter and I want to talk about
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his family.
Okay.
I can't imagine the depths ofpain that that father is in
right now for uh being to put ata turning point to make
literally a a choice on how doeshe love and care for the son
that he literally helped bringinto this world and uh face you
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know the decision that he had tomake and to do the right thing.
Yeah.
Right.
Um, so the pain and thesuffering that that family's
walking through, I just can'teven imagine.
And I think um, you know, thatfamily needs to be acknowledged
and loved and also acknowledgewhat they chose to continue to
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do.
Yeah.
You know, they got in funds tohelp pay for an attorney to
defend their son.
And they took those funds andgave it to Turning Point.
SPEAKER_03 (26:40):
They said I didn't even hear this.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:42):
They said we're not going to use money to defend a
wrong action.
SPEAKER_03 (26:46):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (26:46):
We're going to use it to where it needs to go to
help um the good, the good newskeep spreading.
Those I'm paraphrasing in my ownwords.
But so just to just to pauseagain on the acknowledgement
that this family is even a partof the hope in the light of the
future.
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Like that's God.
Yeah, 100%.
Like that's just not normal.
And so God is supernaturally atwork.
SPEAKER_03 (27:14):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (27:15):
Even in the darkest moments.
It's beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (27:17):
It really is.
SPEAKER_01 (27:18):
So, yeah.
So we're gonna talk into okay,well, we keep saying full
circle, we keep saying tippingpoint for the turning point.
You want to share somethingelse?
SPEAKER_03 (27:25):
Well, there was just something really important that
you started to hit on that Ithink um a lot of us Christians
were being outspoken, which isfabulous right now.
Some are still a little silent.
We gotta work on that um alittle bit.
I I would I would encourage youknow, some of the some of the
silent Christians to go a littlebit deeper and look to see if
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there's some stuff that Godstill needs to do in your heart.
Fear is a natural human emotion,right?
But if we're really walking withthe power of the Holy Spirit,
that should be fleeting.
Um, but what I want to dig intois the fact that we are in a
spiritual battle and it is goodversus evil, evil, and it is
light versus darkness.
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And what do we mean by that?
Because there is this hugepsychological warfare campaign
happening right now on socialmedia that is aimed at keeping,
you know, the whole us versusthem narrative going.
And it's easy, even whenChristians say we're in a
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spiritual battle, good versusevil, light versus dark,
instantly people think thatmeans Democrats versus
Republicans, right versus left.
It doesn't mean that at all.
It means we are all one people,no matter how you voted under
God in a spiritual battleagainst the Antichrist.
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What is the Antichrist?
It is the spirit of deception,it's anything that goes against
the word of God.
You know, that is our battle,and we all need to come
together.
We have more in common than wedo have differences, believe it
or not, despite what you see,because social media is only
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going to show you the craziestof the craziest on both sides.
They don't show you your niceneighbor who, you know, maybe
didn't have as much access tothe same information that you
did, who voted differently thanyou, right?
But isn't out there on thefringe.
SPEAKER_01 (29:29):
Yeah, and I think um voting, I mean I say this in
with perfect eloquence, okay,but what we vote for is I would
call it more representative ofwhere we're at with our walk
(29:50):
with the Lord and ourunderstanding of the Bible.
It's a direct reflection.
Yeah.
And the deeper we go, or it's aReflection of the pain that
we're still trapped in.
So good.
Okay.
So we could be voting from aplace of undealt with pain.
Yeah.
Um, you know, I've been prettyforward to say is an example
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that I am pro-life.
I'm a woman who chooses life.
I had an opportunity not to.
Anytime you know you're having ababy uh as an 18-year-old calls
into question like, are yougonna be able to do this?
Are you gonna be able to make ago of it?
SPEAKER_00 (30:28):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:28):
And I obviously chose life, and my daughter just
celebrated her 31st birthday,praise the Lord.
Um, but I say that because if Ichose abortion, there could have
been an opportunity for me to betrapped in the pain, the
(30:50):
spiritual pain of that abortion.
SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (30:54):
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
And if I haven't dealt with thatpain, I could be voting pro
choice because it's everyone'sright to choose what to do with
your body.
Yeah.
And I am making a decision basedon my own life experience and my
own pain to actually protectmyself in being right, as
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opposed to say, what does Godsay?
Well, God is very clear, beforeyou were formed in your mother's
womb, before you were formed inyour mother's womb, I created
you.
So God is the author of life,and he says it starts before.
People say, when when does thewhen does the fetus become the
baby?
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It's before it's even formed.
SPEAKER_03 (31:40):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (31:40):
That's what the Bible says.
And so when we can really startto take some of these cultural
issues, they're not politicalissues, you know, it's not a
policy problem, it's a humanheart problem.
Yeah.
So when we start to take some ofthese hard issues that we have
to deal with in our modern dayculture, not the first culture,
go back to the Roman times.
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I mean, again, they weresacrificing people in gladiator
arenas.
Like that'd be like us havingpeople in Bank of America
Stadium and like putting a tribeof people in the middle of the
stadium and unlocking lions onthem and letting the lions
devour them and celebrating.
SPEAKER_03 (32:16):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (32:16):
And quite frankly, we're not too far off of that if
we're celebrating theassassination of a public figure
on a global, global scene here.
Yeah.
So anyway, when we our heartsfor doing this podcast, going
back to the beginning, yeah, isbecause we really prayerfully
want our voices to cut throughleft and right, to cut through
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Democrat, Republican.
Yes.
We want to be centered on God'struth.
And if we ever say anything onthis podcast that stirs you to
say that's not right, they'rewrong, you get upset or
frustrated.
We don't want you to sit in it.
We want you to call, call usabout that.
And we will address it.
(32:58):
We'll either have a conversationwith you, uh, or we'll have a
session, uh podcast episode toactually go into it even in more
detail.
SPEAKER_00 (33:06):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (33:07):
But we're not here to be right.
We're here to be aligned withGod's word.
So good.
And it's the heartbeat behindwhy we're here.
SPEAKER_02 (33:15):
Yeah, right.
SPEAKER_01 (33:16):
So good.
So thank you for pausing me andgoing into that because it's so
critically important.
SPEAKER_03 (33:21):
It really is, yeah.
I mean, culturally, um, and ofcourse, we decided this was
placed on our hearts weeksbefore this happened, uh, the
full circle moments, you know,topic, but it's it's fascinating
uh how we are bringing beingbrought back over and over again
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culturally to the same generalbattles, right?
Or we're having an opportunityto go, okay, let's get right in
our heart.
Where are we in our walk withthe Lord?
That's right.
Um, because every time we haveone of these full circle
moments, uh it's like, you know,a mirror, right?
And that mirror not only showsus the evil in the world, and
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boy, is it doing that in spades,um, but it's also showing us
what the work that's left to bedo done in our own hearts,
right?
So well said.
SPEAKER_01 (34:12):
So so good.
Okay.
So let's get into it.
So, yeah.
So often, what do we mean by forfull circle moments?
It's typically where God willbring us back to a person,
place, or a situation from ourpast, but it feels like almost
groundhog's day.
It's now present time.
Deja vu.
(34:33):
Deja vu, baby.
It's like, where why am I hereagain?
And it's like this full circlemoment.
Yeah, it's not about punishment,it's not about repeating a test,
and it's not about being stuckin this forever-ending loop
cycle.
That's right.
It's God's way to show us howfar we've come and to then say,
(34:56):
get ready, because I'm gettingready to launch you.
That's right.
And sometimes things can bedormant for so long when we hit
this full circle moment.
And what do I mean by dormant?
He could play, he could haveplaced a promise in our heart
that we have not thought aboutfor so long that we we hit this
full circle moment, we're veryconfused.
(35:19):
We're like, why?
But we want to help peopleidentify when when God takes you
back to the beginning, there'sdivine purpose in it.
So the faster you can see it,you can be more prepared to get
ready to launch into the purposeof your destiny that He's called
you to be in for this moment.
SPEAKER_03 (35:36):
Yeah, that's so good.
So again, it's an invitationfrom God to really reflect, to
heal, um, to step forward, youknow, with gratitude and wisdom
instead of fear.
It's moments that once feltheavy.
Now you're like, oh, this isthis doesn't trigger me anymore
because I'm different.
(35:56):
The situation is the same, butI'm different, and so it no
longer has power over me.
Um, there are opportunitieswhere we see, you know, God's
fingerprints kind of all overit, even just what we spoke
about culturally.
I mean, maybe there's somethings that have happened
historically, uh, maybe duringCOVID for you, or that didn't
feel right in your gut, or youknow, when men started entering
(36:19):
women's locker rooms or uhwinning their medals, uh, it
didn't feel right and you didn'tspeak up, but now we've been
brought around to anothersimilar battle, looks a little
different, but similar battle,where do you sit today?
SPEAKER_01 (36:35):
Yeah.
And do you feel stuck?
SPEAKER_03 (36:37):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (36:38):
Do you feel stuck?
Because the when God keepsbringing full circle moments
around, he's also trying toteach us something.
And so it's really again, ifwe're stuck in a position of
needing to be right continually,oftentimes let's just say we are
right according to the word ofGod.
Okay, so I'm right.
(36:59):
I don't want men in my lockerroom when I'm getting undressed
as a female.
I don't want that.
SPEAKER_00 (37:03):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (37:04):
Let's say I let's say I'm right on that, but God
keeps bringing it to me.
Well, I'm missing something.
It's like, what does he want meto learn?
Well, maybe it's because I havebeen silent.
I haven't told people that Iactually feel that way.
I haven't used my voice.
And sometimes when we say stopbeing silent, it doesn't mean
(37:24):
that you have to get on socialmedia and start ranting all over
the place, right?
It just means you haveinfluence, you have emotional
relational equity with people.
SPEAKER_03 (37:37):
Every day.
SPEAKER_01 (37:38):
Are you stewarding truth wisely and effectively?
SPEAKER_03 (37:43):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
Or are you sitting on the treasure?
So, right, it reminds me of inMatthew, where the uh the master
gave the servants uh talents.
I think it was one talent, fivetalents, ten talents.
And the one with ten multipliedabundantly, the one with five
multiplied abundantly, and theone with one went and buried it
(38:05):
and said, I buried it to save itbecause I didn't want to, I know
the wrath that I would get frommy master.
And basically it was away fromme.
You're an evildoer because youdidn't multiply.
And so it's this notion that yousit on a treasure of wisdom and
truth, and if you don't use itto share it, it's wasted.
And that's that's travesty inthe eyes of the Lord.
(38:27):
And so that's one example wheresitting silent may be like God
has brought this thing fullcircle to you because you still
haven't stewarded the wisdom.
Now, let's just say that you'renot on the right side of truth,
okay?
And that you're actually stuckin a lie.
And it's not because you'reignorant or, you know, God
(38:49):
doesn't have plans for you andall those things.
It's because Satan is theslanderer.
He is the father of lies, andhe, his number one job is to
make us believe the lies.
And I know there's still lies Ibelieve right now in this
moment.
He's good at it.
He's so good at it.
And that's why God continuallysays we have to take every
thought captive, not somethoughts, every thought, because
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we have this enemy who'sconstantly working on us,
constantly, constantly,constantly.
And so if God is constantlybringing something around, the
very first thing I want tounderstand, sometimes I don't do
it though, right?
Is what am I supposed to learnand what am I supposed to
change?
SPEAKER_03 (39:27):
That's a great question.
SPEAKER_01 (39:28):
So some full circle moments are to unlock truth and
to unlock purpose in our life.
It's it's faith with action.
SPEAKER_03 (39:41):
What else does it remind you of?
I mean, just kind of somemainstream examples could be,
you know, things like MichaelJordan.
Um, if you know his story, hewas cut from, you know, his high
school basketball team only toreturn as one of the greatest
players of all time, right?
There's a full circle moment.
Or Steve Jobs fired from Appleonly to return and revolutionize
(40:02):
the company.
So good.
I think of one of my favoritemovies, which is Goodwill
Hunting, um, where you know,Will's therapy forces him to
revisit old wounds and heal,right?
Um, and change his entirefuture.
So there's tons of examples.
SPEAKER_01 (40:20):
So good.
And it's also it points toanother reason why we have full
circle moments, because God'spower of redemption, what was
the source of pain, is now thesource of launching into our
destiny.
It's so good.
You know what movie comes to mymind?
Pretty woman.
I know it's you know, there's apart of me.
(40:42):
Um I know I'm just too.
Like who so what?
But there's a there's a part ofme that actually, as I've gotten
older, I've come not to likeI've come not to like that movie
for some reasons of like it gloroverglorifies prostitution.
Sure.
But in all seriousness, there isthis underlying current that
through her pain of herlifestyle, right, she actually
(41:05):
rediscovers her worth and heragency.
Yeah.
And she's able to step out ofthat lifestyle and into what I
will call God's direction forher life.
Yeah.
But you go from the street,right, to then standing on your
own two feet.
And I think that's just anotherpower of God's redemption
(41:27):
through it all.
SPEAKER_03 (41:28):
Yeah.
I mean, when the Holy Spiritdoes his thing in and through
you, um, these full circlemoments can really be things
that you look forward to ascelebrations because you find
yourself going, Wait a minute,like that thing used to just set
me off, you know, and now I'mwalking with this peace.
I took a breath because you'redifferent now.
(41:50):
The situation is the same, butyou're different.
That's it's pretty cool when youhave that experience.
SPEAKER_01 (41:55):
I love it.
And I'm having a real-time uhfull circle moment even now.
So you picked this scripture uhfor this episode.
I didn't, but it's a part of uhmy sharing, and so I'm gonna
share it and see if you pick upon what I'm pointing to.
Okay.
Ecclesiastes 3-1.
(42:16):
3-1, 31.
SPEAKER_03 (42:17):
Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_01 (42:17):
There is a time for everything and a season for
every activity under theheavens.
So you picked this out, what wasit, 10 days ago, a couple weeks
ago.
Yeah.
And uh I didn't tell you that 31was prominent.
You did not.
And here we are, Ecclesiastes,Ecclesiastes 3.1.
Amazing.
God is so good.
SPEAKER_03 (42:38):
Which reminds us that God works in ordained
rhythms.
Yes.
There is a cycle, a process,something that might feel
random.
SPEAKER_01 (42:46):
It's it's not.
That's right.
So the comfort is that when wefind ourselves in full circle
moments, we are not failing,we're not going backwards, we're
not stuck.
It's an appointed time, Godappoints the seasons, it's an
appointed time for our healing,our maturity, and it's a new
perspective to unlock hispurposes in our life.
SPEAKER_03 (43:07):
Yeah, well, the ultimate biblical full circle
moment is reflected in Genesis50-20 with the story of Joseph.
SPEAKER_01 (43:14):
Oh, yes, story of Joseph.
He got a dream when he was 17and he had to wait 13 years.
There it is again, uh, for thefulfillment of that dream to
come true.
Uh, so just to remind us of whatthe story of Joseph is, he was
betrayed by his brothers.
They he they basically sold himinto slavery.
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From there, uh, Joseph foundhimself uh just in a pit of life
constantly, thrown in prison,wrongly accused, wrongly
sentenced.
And then uh he would findhimself with the dream fulfilled
that he would actually be theruler over many, um, and that
his brothers would be bowing tohim.
(43:56):
That came came true.
And he found himself at theright hand of Pharaoh, uh
literally building up astorehouse of grain and food for
a famine that would come.
Yeah.
So he was used for provisionover the nations, and then uh he
really was uh it was divinefulfillment of prophecy.
(44:18):
But there's this moment wherethe brothers come back to get
more food, and they're talkingto uh Joseph, and you know, they
were they had blinders on, theycouldn't actually recognize that
Joseph was the brother, andthere is the moment where Joseph
reveals his identity, says, I amJoseph, I am still alive, and it
(44:40):
was the display of Joseph'sheart, and we've talked about
this on prior episodes, but itwas what you intended to harm
me, God intended for good.
So this full circle moment wherethe very people that threw him
into slavery are the very peoplethat Joseph blessed when the
time came.
And like it's incrediblyimportant, important.
(45:01):
So he was faced with thegreatest pain of his life, and
yet God says, Here, you're atthe beginning, what are you
gonna do with it?
And it just continued to launchhim into the destiny that God
had for him.
SPEAKER_03 (45:11):
Yeah, I mean, that story is it's very much the
blueprint for for what we'retalking about today, right?
From from uh betrayal to toslavery to prison to the palace.
SPEAKER_01 (45:23):
That's right, completely full circle.
Yep, and you can you see throughthat the 13 years of how more
and more of Joseph's Joseph'sflesh was shed.
SPEAKER_03 (45:34):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (45:34):
And he just kept, you know, chasing the heart of
the father and just figuring outwhat does it mean to be loyal to
him.
So again, there was purpose inthe pain.
That's right, and the pain ledto destiny.
And how God proves that nothingis wasted, just like he's doing
with Charlie.
Amen.
Yeah.
So just clicking into more ofthe purpose behind the full
(45:54):
circle.
You know, we've said sometimesthe starting point is the very
same place that's the turningpoint into our destiny.
So, what does that mean a littlebit more?
That God is going to completesomething.
So he's getting ready, he hegave a promise and now he's
gonna complete it.
Or maybe it's the start oftransformation and he's gonna
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complete that transformation.
And you have to go back to theplace of the pain or the start
of whatever the promise was tosee the healing and the rest of
the restoration complete.
Yeah.
Also, perspective shift.
So sometimes it used to be whereI would go back to my hometown
as an example, and I would goback there and it would, I would
(46:37):
become like a 12-year-old again.
I don't know why.
Even though I'm a grown woman,remember you telling me that.
I would go back home and all ofa sudden I would take on
characteristics of that of a12-year-old or a 15-year-old.
It happens to a lot of us.
It's like regression.
Right.
And it was like because everytime I would go there, it would,
I would get triggered in who Iwas at that point in my life,
(46:58):
and I would start to have thesecharacteristics just pop out of
nowhere.
Now I go back and I remain thesame.
I'm consistent in who I am.
So it's an indication of theperspective has shifted and the
healing and the restoration iscomplete.
And uh my favorite, my favoriteof all of the um the full circle
moments, though, is launchinginto purpose.
(47:19):
Like the promise of the future,the plans that he has for us is
good, is to proper us, to give,uh, prosper us, to give us hope
in that future.
SPEAKER_03 (47:26):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (47:28):
And so if we look at Philippians 1, 6, being
confident of this, that he whobegan the good work in us will
carry it to completion until theday of Christ's return.
That means that God is in thebusiness of finishing what he
starts.
Sometimes he has to bring usback to close the loop because
what is a loop?
It's a circle.
(47:48):
It needs to close.
And when he hasn't finished thechapter yet, he's just going to
keep on going until it's done.
SPEAKER_03 (47:56):
So just to make sure that our listeners are tracking,
there's really four mainpurposes for full circle
seasons.
You mentioned completion, uh,healing and restoration,
perspective shift, and thenlaunching into purpose.
And so at the end of the day,God is not content with
half-finished healing.
(48:17):
Um, he, you know, loves usenough to keep bringing us back
to the same things over and overagain.
Of course, I often liken it tojust to check to see if I'm
still stupid.
That's that's the Elisa versionof it.
But of course, he's not everdoing that.
He's he's he's bringing us backto show us how far we've come or
(48:40):
the areas we have yet to heal.
SPEAKER_01 (48:42):
I love it.
And you know, also just one lastthing to help connect our
audience to where are you on thecompass of the full circle?
It could also be that memoriesfrom the past keep emerging, or
it could be dreams from the pastkeep emerging.
And if those things keep poppingup and you're not sure why, just
(49:02):
pause, take notice, and start tounpack that with God.
SPEAKER_03 (49:05):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (49:05):
Because sometimes the place, the destination, the
location that He's bringing youfull circle to, you don't
physically have to be in thatplace.
It can be in your mind.
Yeah.
So when I think about thememories that I have in just
full circle moments in my ownlife, I kind of talked about my
aunt and that whole process, mytwo aunts in the whole process
(49:26):
to today.
But I've also just had these uhthings come up in my spirit
where my favorite song, I'vementioned this on prior
episodes, is God bless the USA.
God bless the USA.
Hey.
Like I love that song so much.
I used to sing it out as a kid,and it's a full circle moment
because that is not your typicalheadline song.
(49:49):
Yeah.
But then all of a sudden, whenyou know our current president
uses that for his campaign song,it's hitting every you know,
airwave on the planet, and it'slike a full circle moment.
This song has been dormant sinceI was a kid, and now it's front
and center stage.
So it's a it's a time for me totake notice.
(50:09):
If that song wasn't important tome as a kid, I wouldn't probably
be taking as much notice.
But because in my life, thatsong was such an important
factor in my childhood, fullcircle moment.
Also, I'm starting to dream ofmy grandmother again, and it's
it's continual dreams wherepeople keep coming up and I
can't let it go.
That means something's stirringin my spirit, and God's taking
(50:31):
me back to the beginning to justcontinue to unpack her pain or
to release me to where he'staking me next.
My grandmother, for example, wasthe believer that I could do all
things, that it doesn't matterhow big my dream was, I was
gonna conquer the dream.
And so typically when I'mdreaming of her, it means that
dreams in my life that arereally deep and big are getting
(50:55):
ready to get unlocked with God.
And so it's uh kind of cool.
And then just to landmark it forpeople this summer specifically,
I've taken three business trips,and it's literally the footsteps
of my career by city.
My first trip, I went back toSan Francisco in California.
I started with Oracle Technologyand uh a little bit of
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Microsoft, but Oracle was apredominant uh player in my
experience, and they'reheadquartered in San Francisco.
Then I went to Chicago, andobviously I grew up in Chicago,
and then I found myself in NewYork City.
So those three cities, if youlook at my career map, I landed
in all three cities.
And so when we say full circle,God is taking us back to the
(51:41):
beginning, that's what we mean,either through dream, through
thought, or it can be literalphysical location.
How about you?
SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
Yeah, I mean, it it reminds me of Romans 12.2, um,
be transformed by the renewingof your mind, which isn't just
poetry, it's it's real, right?
It's we've spoken aboutspiritual bingo.
I'm squirting this.
SPEAKER_02 (52:06):
I'm looking right at it, not even registering.
Yeah, it's like spiritualneuroscience, you know, where he
rewires our brain and anddefinitely heals, heals our
heart.
SPEAKER_03 (52:17):
I mean, for me, um, one of the clearest examples I
think of of full circle momentsI think of um is for years, many
years ago, fortunately, I foundmyself dating the same kind of
man, kind of over and overagain, just in a you know,
different, different body.
Um, and and I would say whatthey had in common was they were
(52:40):
all carrying deep wounds um thatthey were unwilling to see, you
know, face or or heal.
And so um I thought it was myjob to fix them, you know.
I was gonna love them so muchthat I was gonna fill up that
(53:01):
great big gaping hole inside ofthem.
But, you know, you after Goddoes work on you, you realize
there's only one who canactually uh fill that kind of
hole, right?
But in the process, you know,when God was working on me, I
had to realize that obviously,you know, I had my own healing
to do or I wouldn't have beenattracted to that in the first
(53:22):
place.
Um and and what what's kind ofinteresting looking back is I I
think I misled myself for anumber of years because my whole
life I have been drawn topersonal growth.
I've always been somebody who'sleaned into that.
I love talking about psychologyand why people do the things
(53:42):
that they do.
Um, I would be drawn to, youknow, personal growth podcasts
and self-help books and allthose sorts of things.
So somehow in my mind, thatconvinced me that I was the
healthy one, right?
But uh I realized that that washead knowledge, you know, and it
was before the heart knowledgeand the heart transformation
(54:05):
that God had to do, you know, inmy life.
So I've shared on this podcast,you know, through my marriage
and and and my divorce, God, youknow, moved me from that, just
the intellectual understandingwhere I started to see, you
know, my part in choosing that,um, where, you know, I was
(54:25):
clearly more comfortable inchaos um and fixing than I was
in in peace.
But now, um, now when Iencounter those kinds of people,
it's like a giant red flaginstantly, you know.
I don't, I don't want a projectanymore.
I want a partner that's truly apartner, you know, somebody
(54:47):
obviously who's not perfectbecause none of us are, um, but
somebody that I can can growwith and and and build with.
Um, and now what used to feelboring, um, now feels like home.
And I protect, you know, mypeace and my energy like like
never before.
Um, you know, I often say, um,this is I'm laughing at myself.
SPEAKER_02 (55:13):
It's good that I entertain myself, actually.
Because it makes me think likeonce the Holy Spirit does his
work inside of you, it's likeonce you're a pickle, you can
never be a cucumber again.
SPEAKER_01 (55:27):
You're gonna use that one, aren't you?
You cracked me up.
I love it.
I think that's so beautifullysaid.
You know what?
You just made me realizesomething real time as those
beautiful poetic words werecoming out of your mouth.
Because you are constantlychasing growth, yeah, it's easy
to assume the people around usare as well.
SPEAKER_00 (55:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:47):
And that because we've actually seen effective
growth in our own life, we thinkthat we can impart our desire
unto them.
SPEAKER_00 (55:54):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (55:54):
And so, to your point, recognize when you have a
project versus a partner.
Yeah.
And are you really meant to havethe project in your life?
That, wow, that just spoke somedivine revelation to me.
I think that's a perfect segueinto the science and the spirit,
right?
So if we look at Dr.
Caroline Leaf's work again,which we've talked about her
work in previous episodes, shereally goes through how the
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brain creates loops andpatterns.
And so what we physically arethinking, our thoughts are
physical, right?
I'm just reminding us, ourthoughts are actually physical,
they're just not vapors outthere.
They get imprinted on our brainsand we create loops and patterns
in our brain.
So, what we're fixing our mindson, the if we're fixing our
(56:39):
thoughts on fears and thingsthat cause us shame or anything
that's negative, we're gonnahave a loop structure that lives
in that space.
And uh, so sometimes God iscontinually, it's groundhogs
day, full circle moments,because we're not getting out of
this loop pattern that He needsus to get out of.
And so it's an indicator,literally, physically through
(57:02):
neuroscience, that it's time totake heed, grab those thoughts,
and how do we start tointentionally change the thought
patterns?
And God says to fix our thoughtson things that are holy and pure
and all the goodness of theLord.
And so the good news is thatit's absolutely possible to
physically rewire our brains.
(57:24):
Yeah.
And we talked about that in aprevious episode.
SPEAKER_03 (57:26):
Oh, it's so important not to miss that.
Her work is is is exceptional.
As you she has been known tosay, as you think, you change
the structure of your brain.
So what is beautiful about thatis we're not a victim of our own
biology.
We're we are participants in it,right?
And that's why in Romans 12,too, Paul was not just being
(57:49):
poetic, although it is, youknow, poetic.
Um, it's, you know, spiritualneuroscience.
He was prophesying neuroscience,really.
SPEAKER_01 (57:59):
It's the Bible, you know, uh the science catching up
with the Bible again.
Yeah, right.
And for those who are listeningand not watching, I'm wearing a
shirt that says, uh, do not beconformed to the ways of the
world, but be transformed,Romans 12, too, which was not
planned, but we keep makingreference to my shirt if you're
not uh able to watch us, butyou're listening in.
But I love also Dr.
Daniel Amon's work that wetalked about as well.
(58:22):
And he goes through the benefitsof when we're rewiring our
brains, it actually causes ourbrains to heal, means our brains
start to calm down, they'restarting to get healed and
nourished, and it allows us tonow move into more positive
experiences.
And so there's like the physicalmanifestation of dealing with
(58:44):
our negative thoughts helps usheal the physical matter of the
brain that then leads to theexperiences that we have in our
day-to-day.
SPEAKER_03 (58:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We've spoken a lot about howprayer and our thoughts actually
releases chemicals, right?
Um, so again, we're not stuckwith the brain that we have.
Um, each and every one of us canmake it better and renew it,
transform it.
SPEAKER_01 (59:08):
I love it.
Yes.
Everyone should take away fromtoday.
You don't have to be stuck withthe brain you have.
That's it.
I love that one.
Mic drop.
Mic drop.
Don't be stuck with that brainyou have.
Okay, so make it better, renewit, transform it.
I love it.
So let's wrap this up.
(59:29):
Yeah.
Um, we are never broken beyondrepair.
God has given us this divineability to heal and change our
brains physically so we can growand we can launch into the
purposes that He has for us.
SPEAKER_03 (59:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (59:45):
Which is a full circle conversation back to the
beginning.
What's the hope?
What's the light?
That we can be a beacon to theworld to make disciples of the
nations.
That's what this is all about.
100%.
SPEAKER_03 (59:57):
Yeah.
So some practical steps, ofcourse.
Pause and pray, right?
Um you hit on this beautifullyearly on about how you are
hearing this is a moment forpause.
Every full circle moment is anopportunity for us to pause and
ask, Lord, what are you tryingto show me here?
You know, why am I triggered?
(01:00:20):
What is this feeling that's comeover me?
That gives us some space forclarity and opportunity to hear
from the Lord, right?
You ask him, he'll that's right,he'll show you.
Um, we've spoken about thisevery single time, and you um
find great power and claritythrough journaling.
That's right.
Journaling makes a hugedifference.
(01:00:43):
Um, again, you know, alwaysasking and and looking for the
lesson.
Um, and then gratitude,gratitude is is it reframes
everything, really.
SPEAKER_01 (01:00:52):
It is.
Gratitude's everything.
It's and we did a whole episodeon it.
So if you missed that episode,go back and watch it.
I think it was episode five.
Uh, but it's really gratitudeopens the heart for the
transformation.
Once we really understand whatGod gave up for us, it just we
live a life of gratitude.
Uh, we'll close with James 1,starting at verses two through
(01:01:14):
four.
Trials produce perseverance,maturity, and completeness.
Full seek circle seasons are theways that God highlights where
we're continuing to betransformed.
It's also the signal of wherehe's launching us into our
purpose.
And so, what we would like to dois if this podcast has resonated
with you today, we want you toshare it with your friends.
(01:01:36):
Everyone, we need to hear yourtestimonies.
Yes.
Uh, share it with us on theDoubledose Podcast through
Instagram.
You can certainly send us anemail and we'll get back to you.
But we want to hear from you.
Yeah, I mean, we want to shareyour hope and light.
Exactly.
And so share this podcast withyour friends too.
Like, subscribe, share, like,subscribe, share.
Did I say it enough?
(01:01:56):
I did awesome.
So, with that, I think I'm justgoing to close this in prayer
and there we have it.
So, Heavenly Father, we justthank you for these moments of a
full circle season, Lord.
We thank you that you've givenus eyes to see it, to understand
it, and to hear what you wouldhave us do in this season.
(01:02:17):
We are so grateful that we knowthat we can trust you, we can
depend on you, even whenheadlines scream darkness.
You sing praise, you sing joy,you sing light.
And so, what the enemy meant toharm us, you will use for good
Lord.
And we put firm trust in you.
(01:02:37):
You are our firm foundation.
So we thank you for the plansthat you have for us to prosper
us, to give us a hope for abeautiful, bright future, and we
remain confident in this.
You who began the good work inus will see it to completion.
In the name of Jesus, we pray.
Amen.
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