June 12, 2025 • 32 mins
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From astronomical viewing to the colorful kites in the sky, Lincoln City is looking up! Join Double R as he explores the night sky with a professional astronomer, the promise of dark sky certification, and catches the wind of kites and a new visitor center at the D River.
- Kim Cooper Findling, Dark Skies
- Cole Finley, Summer Kite Festival
- Sifan Kahale, Kahale Observatory
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RR (00:07):
Welcome
Jana (00:07):
to the Double R Show, the podcast that features everything
about North Lincoln County.
The Double R Show directed andproduced by Paul Robertson and
hosted by the voice of LincolnCity, Roger Robertson.
RR (00:30):
Welcome to the Double R Show.
Dark skies, bright skies, allkinds of skies to look to the
heavens on.
Son Paul (00:37):
Got to look up and you'll see an amazing display in
the month of June.
So we've got some kites to talkabout and some night sky and
dark sky stuff to talk about onthe show this week.
RR (00:49):
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RR (01:37):
Dark skies, bright skies, all types of skies that we get
to enjoy here in the centralOregon coast.
And it is important to thepromotion of Lincoln City.
With us to talk a little bitabout that, Kim Cooper-Finley,
the director of Explore LincolnCity.
Welcome.
Kim Cooper Findling (01:54):
Thank you.
RR (01:55):
Dark Skies, how important is that to you and your office
staff?
Kim Cooper Findling (01:59):
It's become very important to, I think, our
staff and the entire city, thecity council, and the community.
It's really been remarkable towatch this idea just spread
throughout the community with somuch enthusiasm.
RR (02:14):
There is a lot from the hotel industry I notice as well.
Even some of the people thathave got the lights out on the
ocean front are willing toparticipate.
Kim Cooper Findling (02:26):
I think it's interesting how the dark
skies concept has a little bitof something for everyone.
I think there are people whoare drawn to the magic of the
night sky and just the whole awepiece of it but then it's also
got environmental benefits aswell as economic benefits in
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terms of attracting tourists,which might be what's appealing
to the hoteliers, but also justenergy savings in terms of the
lighting adjustments.
RR (02:56):
When I first heard about this from Cola, I said, who
cares?
A lot of people care.
Kim Cooper Findling (03:04):
It's been so fun to watch the idea just
take root.
RR (03:10):
Now, talking about things taking root, you've got a a
major opportunity ahead of you,and that's a new welcome center
in Lincoln City at the DeeRiver.
Where is that process?
Kim Cooper Findling (03:21):
So the process is further along than
it's ever been before.
I mean, I understand this ideais about 10 years old, as many
people in this community know.
It's been talked about for along time.
At this point, we are workingwith a design build team on
putting together a design forthe site.
It's going to be what has longbeen talked about, you know, a
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welcome center for visitors, butalso a massive improvement to
the site that will benefit thecommunity too, in terms of
beautification, improving therestroom there and improving the
entire the entire parking lotand the beach access.
RR (03:57):
When you look around the neighborhood, if you will, in a
kitty corner across the streetis the cultural center.
I mean, one compliments theother.
Kim Cooper Findling (04:06):
Correct.
And in fact, we're looking atthe greater area and considering
it the Lincoln City WelcomeCenter campus and looking at
ways that down the road we canimprove areas surrounding the
Welcome Center site as well.
It's really the heart of thecity in many ways.
RR (04:25):
Well, now that summertime is coming on, Explore Lincoln City
can take a break, right?
Kim Cooper Findling (04:32):
Maybe not.
I was remembering last year howJuly...
Especially June and July feltlike there was something
happening just about everyminute.
RR (04:42):
And within the program, we're also going to be talking
about the kites, the kitesituation.
That's another huge event thatnow is in the bailiwick of
Explore Lincoln City as well.
Kim Cooper Findling (04:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kite Festival is June 21st and22nd.
followed by we have a DarkSkies Town Hall being held on
the 26th of June.
RR (05:07):
And from that will come what?
Kim Cooper Findling (05:10):
It's an opportunity for community
members to come and meet withcity staff as well as other
community partner stakeholderswith the Dark Sky effort to
learn more about whatcertification looks like and ask
questions of the city.
It's going to be a greatopportunity to just learn more
about this effort.
RR (05:28):
Is there a downside to the Dark Skies Thank you.
Kim Cooper Findling (05:31):
Such a good question, Roger.
I
RR (05:34):
mean, I'm serious.
I don't see a downside.
And you've got to be looking atall sides.
Kim Cooper Findling (05:41):
Sure, sure.
I mean, I think that thefeedback we get in the more
negative direction is from folkswho are afraid that it's not as
safe to have less light.
But in fact, it's not abouteliminating light.
It's about improving light,using it how it's needed, which
means that we can all still seewhere we're going and remain
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safe.
RR (06:05):
Would this tie in as well to the streetlights?
Are we talking aboutstreetlights or just on a beach?
Kim Cooper Findling (06:12):
No, it'll be lighting throughout the city,
city-owned lighting as well asprivate property eventually.
The goal would be to get anordinance in place that would
impact everything.
There are lights that areconsidered exempt, however.
I still have some things tolearn about that.
But for the most part, it'staking a peek at all of the
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lighting throughout the wholecity to see how it could be
improved.
Or in some cases, what we'refinding is that some of it's
already just fine.
RR (06:41):
So, next step, we're into the summer, we've got kites,
we've got dark sky, we havewhat?
Kim Cooper Findling (06:48):
Well, how about that drone show coming on
the 4th of July?
Yeah, that's our inauguraldrone show down in the Taft
District where the 4th of Julycelebrations have been held for
many years.
RR (07:02):
Now, there will not be the fireworks per se, but it will be
in the form of a drone show, soit should be spectacular.
Kim Cooper Findling (07:09):
It should be spectacular.
Tied
RR (07:10):
to sound...
Kim Cooper Findling (07:11):
Yeah, music, 200 illuminated drones
moving in sync, creating somefun visuals in the sky.
And
RR (07:21):
how long will that show last?
Kim Cooper Findling (07:23):
It's about 15 minutes, about the same as
the fireworks shows were, yeah.
RR (07:28):
And the benefits from that?
Kim Cooper Findling (07:30):
Well, the benefits of moving away from
fireworks are great.
Fireworks are really not verygood for the wildlife, the
wildlife refuge, the bay, all ofthose heavy metals and...
debris that we were droppinginto the bay are no longer with
a drone show.
RR (07:45):
Let alone all of the pets, the dogs, the cats in the
different neighborhoods.
Kim Cooper Findling (07:50):
Exactly.
A
RR (07:51):
lot of gentlemen that, in particular gentlemen that came
back from Afghanistan, Iraq,Vietnam, it's a significant
detriment to them as well
Kim Cooper Findling (08:02):
absolutely yeah it's better for all of our
lungs too
RR (08:07):
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RR (09:14):
Those guys are alive with kites thanks to the work of
State Representative DavidGomberg and his wife Susan, to a
number of other people foryears that have...
staged a kite festival inLincoln City, or two kite
festivals in Lincoln City.
It has now become the work ofthe Explorer Lincoln City
(09:34):
Committee.
Cole Finley is with us.
Kites in Lincoln City are huge.
Literally.
Literally.
Cole Findley (09:41):
Yeah, in so many ways.
RR (09:43):
And figuratively.
Cole Findley (09:44):
Yeah.
Kites are a really, really bigdeal here in Lincoln City.
The Lincoln City Kite Festivalis the summer kite festival, in
fact, which is going to be thisJune 21st and 22nd.
We'll be celebrating its 40thshowing of kites on the Oregon
coast.
That's amazing.
So we're really excited forthat.
RR (10:04):
40 years of kite, well, 40 years plus, 40 years of
festivals.
Cole Findley (10:09):
40 years of summer kite festivals.
The fall kite festival thisyear will be the 45th, and it's
the original kite festival, infact, was the fall kite
festival.
But the summer will be 40 thisyear.
RR (10:24):
I think of people like Steve Lamb and a number of other
people that brought this eventto Lincoln City, and it just
continues to grow It keeps on
Cole Findley (10:35):
flying on.
What's the magic
RR (10:36):
of
Cole Findley (10:36):
it?
It's hard to put into wordsbecause it is truly magical.
And it's one of those things,as much as we can show pictures
and videos and whatnot on ourend, it really doesn't do it
justice until you see it inperson because, no pun intended,
it really blows you away.
Between the performing kiteswith multiple groups flying in
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synchronization, the individualkite flyers, there's one kite
flyer who will fly you On hisown, I have like three to four
kites in synchronization, andit's unbelievable.
RR (11:11):
Now, you get kite flyers from all over the world,
Cole Findley (11:13):
don't you?
All over the world.
They've flown all over theworld.
They're the kite flyers forplanet Earth.
So we're thrilled to be able towelcome them every single year
to Lincoln City.
RR (11:26):
Okay, now the Summer Kite Festival, are there special
events within?
Cole Findley (11:30):
There are.
So at the Kite Festival, therewill be a special...
performances, like I mentionedwith the kite flyers.
There'll be the giantinflatable kites, which, I mean,
who would have thought thatsomething the size of like a
city bus could fly in the sky.
It's incredible.
We'll also be partnering withFamily Promise of Lincoln City
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to have kite making workshops onsite.
We will be partnering with theLincoln City Kiwanis Club and
their Pixie Fest games to raisemoney for the Kiwanis Club, and
which goes to, as you know,Roger, goes to scholarships,
which really helps out thecommunity.
And there's new games this yearfor Brand new games.
(12:14):
Brand new games.
So that'll be exciting.
So definitely worth checking.
Brand new games that
RR (12:19):
don't take a week to set up.
Cole Findley (12:21):
A week to set up and a week to tear down.
Literally minutes.
And one person can do it inminutes.
It'll be really cool to see.
RR (12:28):
You do have people that come in and work, if you will,
announcing staff, differentpeople from all over that come
to participate.
Cole Findley (12:38):
Yes, including other vendors.
We have Scout who will be thereselling Kite Festival merch,
but we also have greatvolunteers who have been
involved with the Kite Festivalfor many years, even dating back
to that first summer KiteFestival 40 years ago.
And realistically, it's It'shard to imagine the Kite Fest
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happening without their help, sowe're really grateful to have
them.
RR (13:04):
Is there a difference between the summer festival and
the fall?
Cole Findley (13:07):
The seasons are the big difference, but yeah.
Yeah, true.
Yeah, there is.
You know, it's just anopportunity to, you know...
bring kite fans and kite flyersin multiple times a year.
One festival a year just wasn'tenough.
For this particular year, we'relooking at an expansion of the
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Fall Kite Festival too.
So looking at trying some newthings that we'll be excited to
announce here in the comingmonths.
RR (13:37):
And for those people attending, there are parking
lots other than the Dee River.
Cole Findley (13:43):
Yeah, it can seem a bit hectic to try to park at
the Dee River during and thekite festival, but we do offer
shuttle services at the LincolnCity Outlets where it's free
parking.
So you can park on the secondlevel of the parking garage at
the Lincoln City Outlets forfree and shuttle on over.
And as well at the Lincoln CityCommunity Center and shuttle
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over from there as well.
And those shuttles run all dayfrom 9.30 to 4.30.
It's
RR (14:11):
amazing the way the traffic will back up because people are
just fascinated.
They come past the Dee River,all of a
Cole Findley (14:18):
sudden.
It's alive.
Just to see it as you'redriving by.
It's a really, really big deal.
So we're excited to...
to have it come back again forthe 40th year.
RR (14:30):
Okay, 40th year for summer, 45 for fall at the Dee River.
For the most part, it's
Cole Findley (14:37):
always been at the Dee River.
As far as I know, yes.
RR (14:40):
I was thinking of the only kite festival that I could
remember in Lincoln City otherthan the one at the Dee River
was up in Chinook Winds wherethey had the International Kite
Fighters.
Cole Findley (14:51):
Yeah, and I think they did some indoor flying as
well.
Yeah, up to high school, that'sright.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, that That's impressive inits own, to fly a kite without
any wind.
But we'll be hopeful for sometraditional wind flying at the
kite festival this year.
RR (15:10):
You need to be careful of the amount of wind.
Cole Findley (15:13):
Yeah, because if it gets too windy, it becomes
very hard for the kites to fly.
But we've had some good windrecently, so we're pretty
hopeful for a pretty perfectkite festival.
RR (15:26):
Some might say, oh, yeah, Dad.
have is me standing out theretalking and you got all the wind
you need i didn't say that coolthanks for being here and again
kite festival uh for the summerkicks off when june
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RR (16:18):
Dark skies mean alive skies.
And with us, Siobhan, thanksfor being here.
We're going to talk about...
The skies above.
Absolutely.
You are the person with thetelescope, if you will, that
sets up and lets people gazeinto the heavens.
Sifan Kahale (16:38):
I think it's a passion.
I believe it is.
And I think for most amateurastronomers, as well as some of
us professional astronomers, Ithink that's an aspiration,
something we really want to do,is to get people interested in
the skies and what's up there.
RR (16:52):
Do you do it as a profession or as an avocation or...?
Sifan Kahale (16:57):
How about both?
Okay.
Which seems a little strange tobe both an amateur and a
professional at the same time.
I retired from the Pan StarsObservatory about 10 years ago.
officially, and then they hiredme back, and then I retired,
and they hired me back.
The current score is five tofive, so on my head, I'm
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retired.
And for how long?
That went on for about anotherfive years.
So it was about five years agothat I retired, finally and
completely.
RR (17:29):
Now, you've set up your telescope so people will have an
opportunity to look to theheavens, and you'll be doing
that again during Dark Skies, orare you just one of the many
that are involved in Dark skies?
Sifan Kahale (17:42):
Oh, many that are involved in dark skies.
I love to share the telescopesthat I have.
I've got an observatory at homethat people can come and see as
well, but it's a little small.
But normally what I do is Ihave a 14-inch Celestron, which
is a pretty big telescope, and Ilike to bring that out to
different events and have peoplelook through that.
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The benefit of having such alarge telescope is that things
like Saturn and Jupiter just popout, and they're just
beautiful.
RR (18:11):
Now, we're always cloudy and wet and rainy.
Right?
Yes.
You were supposed to say notalways.
Sifan Kahale (18:25):
The bane of living on any coast, actually.
Because even if you have clearskies, you still have high
humidity.
And that affects it as well.
That's one of the reasons Iactually got an observatory
dome.
To do astronomy andastrophotography is what I love
doing.
It takes about half an hour to45 minutes to bring you scope
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out, align it properly, and getit calibrated and all of this.
That's a lot of time.
And if you have that manycloudy skies, you're wasting
most of your time setting up andgetting ready.
But if you have a dome, you setup once.
You click a couple of buttonsand you're ready to go.
And that's why I did it.
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So I can get on sky muchquicker.
RR (19:09):
Get
Sifan Kahale (19:09):
on sky.
I like that.
That's...
RR (19:12):
Intriguing.
Get on Sky.
Sifan Kahale (19:14):
Yes.
At Pan-STARRS Observatory,that's what we called it, too.
Most of the observatories,that's what we call it.
RR (19:20):
Have you ever discovered or found something that you had no
idea was there?
Sifan Kahale (19:26):
Oh, that's a good question.
I think yes, but mostly atPANSAR's observatory, it was a
team effort.
So whoever was on sky, ontelescope that night gets the
main credit for things, but weall sort of take credit for it.
Some of the biggest things thatwe found, one is the visible
light source of the firstkilonova merger.
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You know, LIGO and VIRGOlooking for the gravity waves.
And they found a gravity wavethat they thought was a
neutron-neutron star collision.
If you have black holecollisions, which is what they
normally find, there's nothing.
There's no light.
There's just gravity waves.
But a neutron-neutron star hasa somewhat large explosion.
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The problem with Virgo and LIGOis that they can only tell you
that it's in this big generalarea of sky.
And so they need somebody elselike Pan-STARRS, to go after and
find it.
Pan-STARRS is a very wide fieldof view, so we're ideal for
scanning the skies and findingsomething.
And we did.
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And we found the lightsignature of the first kilonova,
which was pretty exciting,because it opened up a whole new
area of physics that there wasspeculation about, but this more
or less proved it.
The light curves that came offof that proved without a doubt
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some of the physics that werebehind it, which is pretty
astonishing.
I think one of the other thingsthat Pan-STARRS that we did is
we threw out the book a numberof times, at least a couple
chapters of the book onastronomy a couple times.
Threw them out, ripped them up,forget it, no longer valid.
RR (21:13):
Is there a book that people that are wanting to become an
Sifan Kahale (21:17):
astronomer should buy?
There was a professor thatdidn't like any of the books, so
he wrote his own, and it'savailable online, and I think
it's something like Astronomyfor the Mere Mortals.
Cole Findley (21:31):
Very good.
Sifan Kahale (21:31):
And it's written as introductory course, but it
also has most of the importantthings that need to know about
the study of stars.
And it's written in a very easyto understand way.
RR (21:45):
Now, once I get the book, I'm going to get the telescope.
What kind of telescope should Ibe looking for?
And where can I purchase suchan item?
Sifan Kahale (21:56):
I hate this answer.
I hate giving it, and I hate itwhen I hear it.
And you know what it is.
It depends.
It depends.
It depends.
I would certainly go forsomething that is more than
$500, more than $1,000.
Anything less than that, you'regoing to attempt to use it.
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It's going to be difficult,frustrating, and you're going to
put it away.
So I would definitely recommendgoing something larger than
that.
One of the things you want tolook for is something called a
go-to mount.
And it's got a computer in it.
And you basically just tell itwhat you want to see.
And if you don't don't knowwhat you want to see, you can
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have it bring up a list ofwhat's available tonight, and
then pick, and it'llautomatically align the
telescope, and then slew over tothe object and put it in your
eyepiece.
There's two major divisions, Iguess, in amateur astronomy.
One is the visual, and the oneis astrophotography.
I'm talking about visual.
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Astrophotography, you'reprobably starting around $6,000
to $10,000 before you even breakinto it.
It's
RR (23:09):
coming out of the gate in a big way.
Sifan Kahale (23:11):
Yes, yeah.
Astrophotography is veryexpensive, but there's ways to
get into it, but just slowlybuying certain things and then
building up.
I
RR (23:21):
appreciate you being here.
This has been most interesting.
Dark Skies is something thathas become a passion of yours as
well.
Sifan Kahale (23:28):
Oh yes, yes.
I work with the IDS, theInternational Dark Skies, both
here in Oregon and worldwide.
One of the projects I'm workingon, for example, is a sky
quality meter.
Normally what they do, and Ibrought one along just in case
we talk about this, and it justhas a little sensor.
You point it at the sky, andyou push the button, and it
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comes back and gives you areading.
In here, it's 9.9.
That's really bad.
Don't do observing inside andthrough the roof.
But the problem is it takes onepixel, if you wish, of about a
60-degree angle of the sky.
So me and another person gottogether, and we're thinking of
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using an all-sky cam, which isa, you know, a 20-megapixel
camera that takes a picture ofthe entire sky and then
calibrating that.
So you've got 20 million pointsfrom all over the sky, which
you can then determine what thetrue quality is.
An example is, let's say you goout to Bear Park.
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I can't remember that.
Ickwick Park up on the SiletzRiver.
And it's a nice, very nice,beautiful dark spot.
And probably one of the closesttruly dark spots we have here.
And if you were to take areading with this, you'd
probably get like what we call aBortle rating, a Bortle 4.
A Bortle 9 is forget about it.
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A Bortle 1 is pristine.
And here in Oregon, we arereally blessed to have some huge
Bortle 1 areas.
Some of the only ones in theU.S.
Ickwich is about a Bortle 4 orsomething like this.
But pointing up, that's whatyou see.
If you take an all-sky cameraand you take an image of the
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entire sky, you'll see the lightdome from Lincoln City off in
one area.
You'll see the slight lightdome from Depot Bay.
And also on the other side,south, you'll see a little bit
of Newport.
So you can see that there'sencringement coming in from the
lights from the different areas.
RR (25:32):
Appreciate it.
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Welcome back to the Double R Show.
I'd like to remind everybody,Lincoln City City Council
regular meeting is going to beJune 23rd, 6 o'clock in Council
Chambers.
And on Thursday, June 26th at 3o'clock, the Community
Sustainability Committee intheir regular meeting.
Of course, protect the magic ofthe night sky.
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We talked about this during thebody the podcast.
Dark Skies Town Hall meetingcoming up on June 26th, 6 to
7.30 at the Lincoln City OutletSuite 306.
It is just a magnificent showin the heavens.
Son Paul (26:28):
Yeah, so I mean, we're really looking at proceeding
hopefully on this Dark Skypursuit for Lincoln City and,
you know, I mean, becomingcertified for a community like
ours could be pretty significantfor our tourist economy and for
the locals.
Just a value of now access toseeing the dark sky, you know,
as you live
RR (26:48):
each and every day.
Each and every day.
Coming up, we have the 4th ofJuly parade out in Glen Eden
Beach.
This is Americana-ish at itsabsolute best.
Son Paul (26:57):
Yeah, and it precedes, of course, the drone show that
same day, right, there on SiletzBay.
So you can bike to Glen EdenBeach and bike back down to the
Siletz Bay.
Never thought of biking out andback.
Did it last year, Dave.
Dave Price and I both did it,so it was a lot of fun.
RR (27:13):
Glen Eden And if you'd like to be part of the parade,
there's a number of ways thatyou can do that, and they want
you in the parade as well.
The email address is warren atglenedenparade.org, or the
website iswww.glenedenparade.org.
And again, they're trying toget everybody in line and ready
(27:37):
to go in that parade for July4th.
It's going to be just a funtime.
I so enjoy that parade.
Yeah,
Son Paul (27:44):
and all the activities and food and the like that you
can get access to that come outon the streets there that day is
just a lot of fun.
RR (27:51):
Talked about all of the activities on the 4th of July.
One activity we'd like toencourage people not to
participate in is don't bringyour fireworks to Lincoln City
and expect that you can shootthem off here and we pick up the
mess from you.
No, we don't want, the fact isthey're banned.
Fireworks are banned in LincolnCity.
Son Paul (28:12):
Yeah, public and private displays, you You know,
so basically, you know,sparklers and the like, you
know, it doesn't really matter.
We're really just phasing themout of our community and, you
know, enjoying that fresh airand celebrating the independence
in any way.
In
RR (28:27):
a new way, drones.
Drones are going to be puttingon the light show over Celeste
Bay instead of the fireworks.
It's drones.
Son Paul (28:36):
Interesting.
It's going to be pretty darncool, I think.
So stay tuned for that.
RR (28:41):
Coming up, the Lincoln City Chamber of Commerce Business
Conference is on June 27th, 10to 3.
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theme, and join for a full dayof inspiration, innovation, and
invaluable connections.
From your side of the table,what's happening out at the
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Biosphere?
Son Paul (29:03):
Yeah, so a lot of events coming up as this drops.
This episode is dropping on the12th.
On the 13th of June, we haveone of our Exploriances.
That's going to be at the NightPark.
Christina Pasca is going to beleading that starting at 10.30.
It's one of these ExploreLincoln City events,
effectively.
It's through their Explorancesand it's just the Cascade Head
(29:23):
Explorance.
On June 14th, we have a newprogram, the Biosphere Beach
Ambassador Program.
Josh Havlin is out there at lowtide, which is, I think it's
9.54 in the morning, a great,you know, kind of 10 o'clock
a.m.
low tide.
Go down, meet Josh thereanytime an hour before or after
low tide to talk about and learnabout the, uh, tide pools there
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at 15th street.
And then, uh, on dad's day,dad's day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On the 15th of June here, wehave, uh, three different
estuary tours.
So there's a 4 PM, a 5 PM and a6 PM, uh, boat tour of the
estuary at night park.
Uh, it's a 45 minute tour.
They're just a lot of fun.
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They're probably going to besold out.
If you haven't got your ticketsyet, check it out and see if
you can still get on the boat.
But, uh, That's Dad's Day.
And then the last thing, justthis next one-week cycle here at
the Double R Show, we're goingto have on June 18th, Water,
Water, Water.
And that's going to be at thePelican Brew Pub.
It's Pub Talk.
(30:26):
And learn a little bit aboutwater, including how you brew
beer with it.
And you need water.
Good water.
There you
RR (30:34):
go.
Yeah.
I'd also like to remindeverybody, if you are a business
and would be interested inbeing a sponsor of the Double R
Show, it's easy to do.
just get a hold of us send usan email to roger at double r
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a sponsor of the double r showwe do appreciate those that are
advertisers and those that arejust sponsors
Son Paul (31:03):
yeah the double r donut club membership which we
just got a new membership mr edarmstrong want to shout out to
him way to go ed thank you edfor all the donuts and
RR (31:12):
helen let's give helen a Absolutely,
Son Paul (31:15):
yeah.
And he wanted to credit howwell you married, by the way.
That was his comment, thatRoger married well, and we can
concur on that.
RR (31:23):
Anything else, here's that side of the table.
That's going to do it, so.
I think I'm in trouble.
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RR (00:30):
Welcome to the Double R Show.
Dark skies, bright skies, allkinds of skies to look to the
heavens on.
Son Paul (00:37):
Got to look up and you'll see an amazing display in
the month of June.
So we've got some kites to talkabout and some night sky and
dark sky stuff to talk about onthe show this week.
RR (00:49):
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RR (01:37):
Dark skies, bright skies, all types of skies that we get
to enjoy here in the centralOregon coast.
And it is important to thepromotion of Lincoln City.
With us to talk a little bitabout that, Kim Cooper-Finley,
the director of Explore LincolnCity.
Welcome.
Kim Cooper Findling (01:54):
Thank you.
RR (01:55):
Dark Skies, how important is that to you and your office
staff?
Kim Cooper Findling (01:59):
It's become very important to, I think, our
staff and the entire city, thecity council, and the community.
It's really been remarkable towatch this idea just spread
throughout the community with somuch enthusiasm.
RR (02:14):
There is a lot from the hotel industry I notice as well.
Even some of the people thathave got the lights out on the
ocean front are willing toparticipate.
Kim Cooper Findling (02:26):
I think it's interesting how the dark
skies concept has a little bitof something for everyone.
I think there are people whoare drawn to the magic of the
night sky and just the whole awepiece of it but then it's also
got environmental benefits aswell as economic benefits in
(02:46):
terms of attracting tourists,which might be what's appealing
to the hoteliers, but also justenergy savings in terms of the
lighting adjustments.
RR (02:56):
When I first heard about this from Cola, I said, who
cares?
A lot of people care.
Kim Cooper Findling (03:04):
It's been so fun to watch the idea just
take root.
RR (03:10):
Now, talking about things taking root, you've got a a
major opportunity ahead of you,and that's a new welcome center
in Lincoln City at the DeeRiver.
Where is that process?
Kim Cooper Findling (03:21):
So the process is further along than
it's ever been before.
I mean, I understand this ideais about 10 years old, as many
people in this community know.
It's been talked about for along time.
At this point, we are workingwith a design build team on
putting together a design forthe site.
It's going to be what has longbeen talked about, you know, a
(03:44):
welcome center for visitors, butalso a massive improvement to
the site that will benefit thecommunity too, in terms of
beautification, improving therestroom there and improving the
entire the entire parking lotand the beach access.
RR (03:57):
When you look around the neighborhood, if you will, in a
kitty corner across the streetis the cultural center.
I mean, one compliments theother.
Kim Cooper Findling (04:06):
Correct.
And in fact, we're looking atthe greater area and considering
it the Lincoln City WelcomeCenter campus and looking at
ways that down the road we canimprove areas surrounding the
Welcome Center site as well.
It's really the heart of thecity in many ways.
RR (04:25):
Well, now that summertime is coming on, Explore Lincoln City
can take a break, right?
Kim Cooper Findling (04:32):
Maybe not.
I was remembering last year howJuly...
Especially June and July feltlike there was something
happening just about everyminute.
RR (04:42):
And within the program, we're also going to be talking
about the kites, the kitesituation.
That's another huge event thatnow is in the bailiwick of
Explore Lincoln City as well.
Kim Cooper Findling (04:56):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kite Festival is June 21st and22nd.
followed by we have a DarkSkies Town Hall being held on
the 26th of June.
RR (05:07):
And from that will come what?
Kim Cooper Findling (05:10):
It's an opportunity for community
members to come and meet withcity staff as well as other
community partner stakeholderswith the Dark Sky effort to
learn more about whatcertification looks like and ask
questions of the city.
It's going to be a greatopportunity to just learn more
about this effort.
RR (05:28):
Is there a downside to the Dark Skies Thank you.
Kim Cooper Findling (05:31):
Such a good question, Roger.
I
RR (05:34):
mean, I'm serious.
I don't see a downside.
And you've got to be looking atall sides.
Kim Cooper Findling (05:41):
Sure, sure.
I mean, I think that thefeedback we get in the more
negative direction is from folkswho are afraid that it's not as
safe to have less light.
But in fact, it's not abouteliminating light.
It's about improving light,using it how it's needed, which
means that we can all still seewhere we're going and remain
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safe.
RR (06:05):
Would this tie in as well to the streetlights?
Are we talking aboutstreetlights or just on a beach?
Kim Cooper Findling (06:12):
No, it'll be lighting throughout the city,
city-owned lighting as well asprivate property eventually.
The goal would be to get anordinance in place that would
impact everything.
There are lights that areconsidered exempt, however.
I still have some things tolearn about that.
But for the most part, it'staking a peek at all of the
(06:34):
lighting throughout the wholecity to see how it could be
improved.
Or in some cases, what we'refinding is that some of it's
already just fine.
RR (06:41):
So, next step, we're into the summer, we've got kites,
we've got dark sky, we havewhat?
Kim Cooper Findling (06:48):
Well, how about that drone show coming on
the 4th of July?
Yeah, that's our inauguraldrone show down in the Taft
District where the 4th of Julycelebrations have been held for
many years.
RR (07:02):
Now, there will not be the fireworks per se, but it will be
in the form of a drone show, soit should be spectacular.
Kim Cooper Findling (07:09):
It should be spectacular.
Tied
RR (07:10):
to sound...
Kim Cooper Findling (07:11):
Yeah, music, 200 illuminated drones
moving in sync, creating somefun visuals in the sky.
And
RR (07:21):
how long will that show last?
Kim Cooper Findling (07:23):
It's about 15 minutes, about the same as
the fireworks shows were, yeah.
RR (07:28):
And the benefits from that?
Kim Cooper Findling (07:30):
Well, the benefits of moving away from
fireworks are great.
Fireworks are really not verygood for the wildlife, the
wildlife refuge, the bay, all ofthose heavy metals and...
debris that we were droppinginto the bay are no longer with
a drone show.
RR (07:45):
Let alone all of the pets, the dogs, the cats in the
different neighborhoods.
Kim Cooper Findling (07:50):
Exactly.
A
RR (07:51):
lot of gentlemen that, in particular gentlemen that came
back from Afghanistan, Iraq,Vietnam, it's a significant
detriment to them as well
Kim Cooper Findling (08:02):
absolutely yeah it's better for all of our
lungs too
RR (08:07):
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RR (09:14):
Those guys are alive with kites thanks to the work of
State Representative DavidGomberg and his wife Susan, to a
number of other people foryears that have...
staged a kite festival inLincoln City, or two kite
festivals in Lincoln City.
It has now become the work ofthe Explorer Lincoln City
(09:34):
Committee.
Cole Finley is with us.
Kites in Lincoln City are huge.
Literally.
Literally.
Cole Findley (09:41):
Yeah, in so many ways.
RR (09:43):
And figuratively.
Cole Findley (09:44):
Yeah.
Kites are a really, really bigdeal here in Lincoln City.
The Lincoln City Kite Festivalis the summer kite festival, in
fact, which is going to be thisJune 21st and 22nd.
We'll be celebrating its 40thshowing of kites on the Oregon
coast.
That's amazing.
So we're really excited forthat.
RR (10:04):
40 years of kite, well, 40 years plus, 40 years of
festivals.
Cole Findley (10:09):
40 years of summer kite festivals.
The fall kite festival thisyear will be the 45th, and it's
the original kite festival, infact, was the fall kite
festival.
But the summer will be 40 thisyear.
RR (10:24):
I think of people like Steve Lamb and a number of other
people that brought this eventto Lincoln City, and it just
continues to grow It keeps on
Cole Findley (10:35):
flying on.
What's the magic
RR (10:36):
of
Cole Findley (10:36):
it?
It's hard to put into wordsbecause it is truly magical.
And it's one of those things,as much as we can show pictures
and videos and whatnot on ourend, it really doesn't do it
justice until you see it inperson because, no pun intended,
it really blows you away.
Between the performing kiteswith multiple groups flying in
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synchronization, the individualkite flyers, there's one kite
flyer who will fly you On hisown, I have like three to four
kites in synchronization, andit's unbelievable.
RR (11:11):
Now, you get kite flyers from all over the world,
Cole Findley (11:13):
don't you?
All over the world.
They've flown all over theworld.
They're the kite flyers forplanet Earth.
So we're thrilled to be able towelcome them every single year
to Lincoln City.
RR (11:26):
Okay, now the Summer Kite Festival, are there special
events within?
Cole Findley (11:30):
There are.
So at the Kite Festival, therewill be a special...
performances, like I mentionedwith the kite flyers.
There'll be the giantinflatable kites, which, I mean,
who would have thought thatsomething the size of like a
city bus could fly in the sky.
It's incredible.
We'll also be partnering withFamily Promise of Lincoln City
(11:52):
to have kite making workshops onsite.
We will be partnering with theLincoln City Kiwanis Club and
their Pixie Fest games to raisemoney for the Kiwanis Club, and
which goes to, as you know,Roger, goes to scholarships,
which really helps out thecommunity.
And there's new games this yearfor Brand new games.
(12:14):
Brand new games.
So that'll be exciting.
So definitely worth checking.
Brand new games that
RR (12:19):
don't take a week to set up.
Cole Findley (12:21):
A week to set up and a week to tear down.
Literally minutes.
And one person can do it inminutes.
It'll be really cool to see.
RR (12:28):
You do have people that come in and work, if you will,
announcing staff, differentpeople from all over that come
to participate.
Cole Findley (12:38):
Yes, including other vendors.
We have Scout who will be thereselling Kite Festival merch,
but we also have greatvolunteers who have been
involved with the Kite Festivalfor many years, even dating back
to that first summer KiteFestival 40 years ago.
And realistically, it's It'shard to imagine the Kite Fest
(13:01):
happening without their help, sowe're really grateful to have
them.
RR (13:04):
Is there a difference between the summer festival and
the fall?
Cole Findley (13:07):
The seasons are the big difference, but yeah.
Yeah, true.
Yeah, there is.
You know, it's just anopportunity to, you know...
bring kite fans and kite flyersin multiple times a year.
One festival a year just wasn'tenough.
For this particular year, we'relooking at an expansion of the
(13:31):
Fall Kite Festival too.
So looking at trying some newthings that we'll be excited to
announce here in the comingmonths.
RR (13:37):
And for those people attending, there are parking
lots other than the Dee River.
Cole Findley (13:43):
Yeah, it can seem a bit hectic to try to park at
the Dee River during and thekite festival, but we do offer
shuttle services at the LincolnCity Outlets where it's free
parking.
So you can park on the secondlevel of the parking garage at
the Lincoln City Outlets forfree and shuttle on over.
And as well at the Lincoln CityCommunity Center and shuttle
(14:04):
over from there as well.
And those shuttles run all dayfrom 9.30 to 4.30.
It's
RR (14:11):
amazing the way the traffic will back up because people are
just fascinated.
They come past the Dee River,all of a
Cole Findley (14:18):
sudden.
It's alive.
Just to see it as you'redriving by.
It's a really, really big deal.
So we're excited to...
to have it come back again forthe 40th year.
RR (14:30):
Okay, 40th year for summer, 45 for fall at the Dee River.
For the most part, it's
Cole Findley (14:37):
always been at the Dee River.
As far as I know, yes.
RR (14:40):
I was thinking of the only kite festival that I could
remember in Lincoln City otherthan the one at the Dee River
was up in Chinook Winds wherethey had the International Kite
Fighters.
Cole Findley (14:51):
Yeah, and I think they did some indoor flying as
well.
Yeah, up to high school, that'sright.
I forgot about that.
Yeah, that That's impressive inits own, to fly a kite without
any wind.
But we'll be hopeful for sometraditional wind flying at the
kite festival this year.
RR (15:10):
You need to be careful of the amount of wind.
Cole Findley (15:13):
Yeah, because if it gets too windy, it becomes
very hard for the kites to fly.
But we've had some good windrecently, so we're pretty
hopeful for a pretty perfectkite festival.
RR (15:26):
Some might say, oh, yeah, Dad.
have is me standing out theretalking and you got all the wind
you need i didn't say that coolthanks for being here and again
kite festival uh for the summerkicks off when june
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RR (16:18):
Dark skies mean alive skies.
And with us, Siobhan, thanksfor being here.
We're going to talk about...
The skies above.
Absolutely.
You are the person with thetelescope, if you will, that
sets up and lets people gazeinto the heavens.
Sifan Kahale (16:38):
I think it's a passion.
I believe it is.
And I think for most amateurastronomers, as well as some of
us professional astronomers, Ithink that's an aspiration,
something we really want to do,is to get people interested in
the skies and what's up there.
RR (16:52):
Do you do it as a profession or as an avocation or...?
Sifan Kahale (16:57):
How about both?
Okay.
Which seems a little strange tobe both an amateur and a
professional at the same time.
I retired from the Pan StarsObservatory about 10 years ago.
officially, and then they hiredme back, and then I retired,
and they hired me back.
The current score is five tofive, so on my head, I'm
(17:19):
retired.
And for how long?
That went on for about anotherfive years.
So it was about five years agothat I retired, finally and
completely.
RR (17:29):
Now, you've set up your telescope so people will have an
opportunity to look to theheavens, and you'll be doing
that again during Dark Skies, orare you just one of the many
that are involved in Dark skies?
Sifan Kahale (17:42):
Oh, many that are involved in dark skies.
I love to share the telescopesthat I have.
I've got an observatory at homethat people can come and see as
well, but it's a little small.
But normally what I do is Ihave a 14-inch Celestron, which
is a pretty big telescope, and Ilike to bring that out to
different events and have peoplelook through that.
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The benefit of having such alarge telescope is that things
like Saturn and Jupiter just popout, and they're just
beautiful.
RR (18:11):
Now, we're always cloudy and wet and rainy.
Right?
Yes.
You were supposed to say notalways.
Sifan Kahale (18:25):
The bane of living on any coast, actually.
Because even if you have clearskies, you still have high
humidity.
And that affects it as well.
That's one of the reasons Iactually got an observatory
dome.
To do astronomy andastrophotography is what I love
doing.
It takes about half an hour to45 minutes to bring you scope
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out, align it properly, and getit calibrated and all of this.
That's a lot of time.
And if you have that manycloudy skies, you're wasting
most of your time setting up andgetting ready.
But if you have a dome, you setup once.
You click a couple of buttonsand you're ready to go.
And that's why I did it.
(19:07):
So I can get on sky muchquicker.
RR (19:09):
Get
Sifan Kahale (19:09):
on sky.
I like that.
That's...
RR (19:12):
Intriguing.
Get on Sky.
Sifan Kahale (19:14):
Yes.
At Pan-STARRS Observatory,that's what we called it, too.
Most of the observatories,that's what we call it.
RR (19:20):
Have you ever discovered or found something that you had no
idea was there?
Sifan Kahale (19:26):
Oh, that's a good question.
I think yes, but mostly atPANSAR's observatory, it was a
team effort.
So whoever was on sky, ontelescope that night gets the
main credit for things, but weall sort of take credit for it.
Some of the biggest things thatwe found, one is the visible
light source of the firstkilonova merger.
(19:51):
You know, LIGO and VIRGOlooking for the gravity waves.
And they found a gravity wavethat they thought was a
neutron-neutron star collision.
If you have black holecollisions, which is what they
normally find, there's nothing.
There's no light.
There's just gravity waves.
But a neutron-neutron star hasa somewhat large explosion.
(20:13):
The problem with Virgo and LIGOis that they can only tell you
that it's in this big generalarea of sky.
And so they need somebody elselike Pan-STARRS, to go after and
find it.
Pan-STARRS is a very wide fieldof view, so we're ideal for
scanning the skies and findingsomething.
And we did.
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And we found the lightsignature of the first kilonova,
which was pretty exciting,because it opened up a whole new
area of physics that there wasspeculation about, but this more
or less proved it.
The light curves that came offof that proved without a doubt
(20:54):
some of the physics that werebehind it, which is pretty
astonishing.
I think one of the other thingsthat Pan-STARRS that we did is
we threw out the book a numberof times, at least a couple
chapters of the book onastronomy a couple times.
Threw them out, ripped them up,forget it, no longer valid.
RR (21:13):
Is there a book that people that are wanting to become an
Sifan Kahale (21:17):
astronomer should buy?
There was a professor thatdidn't like any of the books, so
he wrote his own, and it'savailable online, and I think
it's something like Astronomyfor the Mere Mortals.
Cole Findley (21:31):
Very good.
Sifan Kahale (21:31):
And it's written as introductory course, but it
also has most of the importantthings that need to know about
the study of stars.
And it's written in a very easyto understand way.
RR (21:45):
Now, once I get the book, I'm going to get the telescope.
What kind of telescope should Ibe looking for?
And where can I purchase suchan item?
Sifan Kahale (21:56):
I hate this answer.
I hate giving it, and I hate itwhen I hear it.
And you know what it is.
It depends.
It depends.
It depends.
I would certainly go forsomething that is more than
$500, more than $1,000.
Anything less than that, you'regoing to attempt to use it.
(22:17):
It's going to be difficult,frustrating, and you're going to
put it away.
So I would definitely recommendgoing something larger than
that.
One of the things you want tolook for is something called a
go-to mount.
And it's got a computer in it.
And you basically just tell itwhat you want to see.
And if you don't don't knowwhat you want to see, you can
(22:39):
have it bring up a list ofwhat's available tonight, and
then pick, and it'llautomatically align the
telescope, and then slew over tothe object and put it in your
eyepiece.
There's two major divisions, Iguess, in amateur astronomy.
One is the visual, and the oneis astrophotography.
I'm talking about visual.
(23:00):
Astrophotography, you'reprobably starting around $6,000
to $10,000 before you even breakinto it.
It's
RR (23:09):
coming out of the gate in a big way.
Sifan Kahale (23:11):
Yes, yeah.
Astrophotography is veryexpensive, but there's ways to
get into it, but just slowlybuying certain things and then
building up.
I
RR (23:21):
appreciate you being here.
This has been most interesting.
Dark Skies is something thathas become a passion of yours as
well.
Sifan Kahale (23:28):
Oh yes, yes.
I work with the IDS, theInternational Dark Skies, both
here in Oregon and worldwide.
One of the projects I'm workingon, for example, is a sky
quality meter.
Normally what they do, and Ibrought one along just in case
we talk about this, and it justhas a little sensor.
You point it at the sky, andyou push the button, and it
(23:50):
comes back and gives you areading.
In here, it's 9.9.
That's really bad.
Don't do observing inside andthrough the roof.
But the problem is it takes onepixel, if you wish, of about a
60-degree angle of the sky.
So me and another person gottogether, and we're thinking of
(24:11):
using an all-sky cam, which isa, you know, a 20-megapixel
camera that takes a picture ofthe entire sky and then
calibrating that.
So you've got 20 million pointsfrom all over the sky, which
you can then determine what thetrue quality is.
An example is, let's say you goout to Bear Park.
(24:33):
I can't remember that.
Ickwick Park up on the SiletzRiver.
And it's a nice, very nice,beautiful dark spot.
And probably one of the closesttruly dark spots we have here.
And if you were to take areading with this, you'd
probably get like what we call aBortle rating, a Bortle 4.
A Bortle 9 is forget about it.
(24:53):
A Bortle 1 is pristine.
And here in Oregon, we arereally blessed to have some huge
Bortle 1 areas.
Some of the only ones in theU.S.
Ickwich is about a Bortle 4 orsomething like this.
But pointing up, that's whatyou see.
If you take an all-sky cameraand you take an image of the
(25:15):
entire sky, you'll see the lightdome from Lincoln City off in
one area.
You'll see the slight lightdome from Depot Bay.
And also on the other side,south, you'll see a little bit
of Newport.
So you can see that there'sencringement coming in from the
lights from the different areas.
RR (25:32):
Appreciate it.
you being here thanks so muchwe'll be back in just a moment
Bobs Beach Books (25:36):
you'll find a book for every occasion at bob's
beach books something to readas you're relaxed by an open
fire we have it studying aparticular topic we have that
too Traveling to a far off land?
Discover it first by reading.
Bob's Speech Books in the OceanLake area of Lincoln City.
Come discover.
RR (25:51):
Welcome back to the Double R Show.
I'd like to remind everybody,Lincoln City City Council
regular meeting is going to beJune 23rd, 6 o'clock in Council
Chambers.
And on Thursday, June 26th at 3o'clock, the Community
Sustainability Committee intheir regular meeting.
Of course, protect the magic ofthe night sky.
(26:12):
We talked about this during thebody the podcast.
Dark Skies Town Hall meetingcoming up on June 26th, 6 to
7.30 at the Lincoln City OutletSuite 306.
It is just a magnificent showin the heavens.
Son Paul (26:28):
Yeah, so I mean, we're really looking at proceeding
hopefully on this Dark Skypursuit for Lincoln City and,
you know, I mean, becomingcertified for a community like
ours could be pretty significantfor our tourist economy and for
the locals.
Just a value of now access toseeing the dark sky, you know,
as you live
RR (26:48):
each and every day.
Each and every day.
Coming up, we have the 4th ofJuly parade out in Glen Eden
Beach.
This is Americana-ish at itsabsolute best.
Son Paul (26:57):
Yeah, and it precedes, of course, the drone show that
same day, right, there on SiletzBay.
So you can bike to Glen EdenBeach and bike back down to the
Siletz Bay.
Never thought of biking out andback.
Did it last year, Dave.
Dave Price and I both did it,so it was a lot of fun.
RR (27:13):
Glen Eden And if you'd like to be part of the parade,
there's a number of ways thatyou can do that, and they want
you in the parade as well.
The email address is warren atglenedenparade.org, or the
website iswww.glenedenparade.org.
And again, they're trying toget everybody in line and ready
(27:37):
to go in that parade for July4th.
It's going to be just a funtime.
I so enjoy that parade.
Yeah,
Son Paul (27:44):
and all the activities and food and the like that you
can get access to that come outon the streets there that day is
just a lot of fun.
RR (27:51):
Talked about all of the activities on the 4th of July.
One activity we'd like toencourage people not to
participate in is don't bringyour fireworks to Lincoln City
and expect that you can shootthem off here and we pick up the
mess from you.
No, we don't want, the fact isthey're banned.
Fireworks are banned in LincolnCity.
Son Paul (28:12):
Yeah, public and private displays, you You know,
so basically, you know,sparklers and the like, you
know, it doesn't really matter.
We're really just phasing themout of our community and, you
know, enjoying that fresh airand celebrating the independence
in any way.
In
RR (28:27):
a new way, drones.
Drones are going to be puttingon the light show over Celeste
Bay instead of the fireworks.
It's drones.
Son Paul (28:36):
Interesting.
It's going to be pretty darncool, I think.
So stay tuned for that.
RR (28:41):
Coming up, the Lincoln City Chamber of Commerce Business
Conference is on June 27th, 10to 3.
Workforce Solutions and theEver-Changing Economies, the
theme, and join for a full dayof inspiration, innovation, and
invaluable connections.
From your side of the table,what's happening out at the
(29:02):
Biosphere?
Son Paul (29:03):
Yeah, so a lot of events coming up as this drops.
This episode is dropping on the12th.
On the 13th of June, we haveone of our Exploriances.
That's going to be at the NightPark.
Christina Pasca is going to beleading that starting at 10.30.
It's one of these ExploreLincoln City events,
effectively.
It's through their Explorancesand it's just the Cascade Head
(29:23):
Explorance.
On June 14th, we have a newprogram, the Biosphere Beach
Ambassador Program.
Josh Havlin is out there at lowtide, which is, I think it's
9.54 in the morning, a great,you know, kind of 10 o'clock
a.m.
low tide.
Go down, meet Josh thereanytime an hour before or after
low tide to talk about and learnabout the, uh, tide pools there
(29:46):
at 15th street.
And then, uh, on dad's day,dad's day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On the 15th of June here, wehave, uh, three different
estuary tours.
So there's a 4 PM, a 5 PM and a6 PM, uh, boat tour of the
estuary at night park.
Uh, it's a 45 minute tour.
They're just a lot of fun.
(30:06):
They're probably going to besold out.
If you haven't got your ticketsyet, check it out and see if
you can still get on the boat.
But, uh, That's Dad's Day.
And then the last thing, justthis next one-week cycle here at
the Double R Show, we're goingto have on June 18th, Water,
Water, Water.
And that's going to be at thePelican Brew Pub.
It's Pub Talk.
(30:26):
And learn a little bit aboutwater, including how you brew
beer with it.
And you need water.
Good water.
There you
RR (30:34):
go.
Yeah.
I'd also like to remindeverybody, if you are a business
and would be interested inbeing a sponsor of the Double R
Show, it's easy to do.
just get a hold of us send usan email to roger at double r
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a sponsor of the double r showwe do appreciate those that are
advertisers and those that arejust sponsors
Son Paul (31:03):
yeah the double r donut club membership which we
just got a new membership mr edarmstrong want to shout out to
him way to go ed thank you edfor all the donuts and
RR (31:12):
helen let's give helen a Absolutely,
Son Paul (31:15):
yeah.
And he wanted to credit howwell you married, by the way.
That was his comment, thatRoger married well, and we can
concur on that.
RR (31:23):
Anything else, here's that side of the table.
That's going to do it, so.
I think I'm in trouble.
That'll do it to the Dunes onthe Double R Show.
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