March 6, 2025 • 31 mins
Episode Highlights:
Find help to find your way to resources for home and safety, for veterans of the Armed Services, and learn about pro-level "amateur" communications. Join Double R as he and his guests explore everything from Coastal Hazards to HAM Radio Communications to Veteran Services all available on the Central Oregon Coast.
- Felicia Olmeta Schult, PhD, Coastal Hazards Specialist, Oregon Sea Grant ~ olmetasf@oregonstate.edu
- Doug Holbrook – N7KNK ~ Lincoln County Auxiliary Communications Service ~ Contact@lcacs.org
- Brad Dull, Volunteer with Veterans Benefits Assistance
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Jana (00:07):
Welcome to the Double R Show, the podcast that features
everything about North LincolnCounty.
The Double R Show directed andproduced by Paul Robertson and
hosted by the voice of LincolnCity, Roger Robertson.
RR (00:30):
And welcome to the Double R Show, Double R along with son
Paul.
And today we're going to do anumber of different interviews
as we approach what?
Son Paul (00:40):
Yeah, we're going to navigate and we're going to
communicate, I think, is thegoal here.
And so we've got a number ofguests coming on.
We've got FeliciaAlmeida-Schultz, Dr.
Schultz.
She's the coastal hazardspecialist for Oregon Sea Grant.
Douglas Holbrook is going tospeak about the auxiliary
communications that he's partof, you know, with the county.
(01:00):
So he's the ham.
He's one of the hams.
And then also we have Brad Dullas a veteran advocate that's
going to be on.
So helping people navigatethrough What can be a pretty
daunting process.
It really
RR (01:13):
can be.
But when you get somebody likeBrad in your corner, it does
make it worthwhile.
We'll be back and talk aboutthat and a whole lot more right
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RR (01:52):
Hey, welcome back to the Double R Show.
With us right now, we've got aSea Grant specialist that is
with us, Felicia Schultz.
And you are originally fromFrance.
What brought you to The Oregoncoast.
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (02:05):
Yeah, so I'm originally from an
island in the Mediterranean Seain France called Corsica, born
and raised there.
And the reason why I came tothe U.S.
is just I really wanted totravel and study abroad.
So I went to a university thatbasically it was two years in
France, two years in the U.S.,and I did oceanography.
But I ended up staying in theU.S.
(02:27):
and did more studies abroad.
And, you know, after mybachelor in Hawaii, I went to
get my master in University ofRhode Island and after my PhD at
Washington State University.
And also I met my husband inthe US.
So that's why.
I'm here now.
That is a marvelous historicaltour of the world.
(02:49):
Yes.
RR (02:51):
I love that.
I love that.
Right now, you are a coastalhazard specialist.
That seems like an awful,ominous title.
Well, what is a coastalhazardous specialist?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (03:04):
Yeah, so what I consider myself is
more like a liaison.
And I can explain that, youknow, into more detail after.
But basically, my mission as acoastal hazard specialist is to
increase coastal communities'resilience to the impacts of
climate change and naturalgeo-hazards.
And natural geo-hazards arecoastal flooding, erosion,
(03:27):
landslide, tsunami andearthquakes.
So all the fun stuff.
RR (03:32):
Are you working to mitigate these things or just make
awareness to the generalpopulation?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schul (03:39):
That's a good question.
Like I mentioned, I considermyself a molecular liaison in a
way that Because our program,Oregon Sea Grant, is under
Oregon State UniversityExtension Service.
So we're doing a lot ofcommunity engagement and
outreach.
And I connect, let's say,researchers, for example, at
(04:01):
Oregon State University orUniversity of Oregon, different
universities, differentspecialists, different agencies,
and try to bring back theresources, the information on
the ground with localcommunities, but also any needs
any concerns from let's saylocal emergency managers local
non-profits local communitybased organizations local HOA
(04:25):
any individuals I can then youknow transfer those needs to the
research or the agency and findwhere the resources are and
where for example there is amissing resource somewhere or
information like I'm going togive you an example of a project
I'm working on right now it'slike try to develop a planting
(04:45):
guide to help control erosion onthe coast for Oregon and
Washington.
And I've been asked byindividuals through Ask
Extension, which is a program ofOregon State University
Extension, asking me what can Iplant on my property to help
control erosion because myproperty is on the bluff or is
(05:06):
that close to the beach.
And I've been asking around andIs there any resource?
You know, can I have access tosuch resource?
And by talking to differentpartners, they're like, no, we
don't have such resource.
So it's when I decided tocreate a work group and
developing this resource.
And I'm going to have an internthis summer to help.
develop this planting guide.
RR (05:29):
So the work that you're doing is not just for Lincoln
County, then.
It's got to be the entireOregon-Washington coast?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (05:35):
So it's the whole Oregon coast, so
all the coastal counties.
But in the past, I worked alsoin Washington with Washington
Sea Grant.
So I have colleagues throughthe Sea Grant family, as I call
it, who are in Washington state.
And because our ecosystems, thehabitat, the issues we have
with, let's say, coastal erosionand flooding on the coast, I
(05:57):
really see between Oregon andWashington, I was thinking, why
not doing a planting guide forthose two states, for the
Pacific Northwest?
RR (06:05):
When you're talking about a planting guide, are we talking
about trees?
Are we talking about grasses?
Or all of the above?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (06:11):
All of the above, yeah.
And because I'm not a botanist,I'm not an expert in plants, so
that's why then we havepartners like, for example, with
USDA or TRC, like Department ofLand Conservation and
Development.
Also, sometimes being on thecoast, you need to have a permit
depending what you do, whatyour property is, so that's why.
(06:32):
One of the partners is alsoOregon Parks and Recreation
Department, as well as somewatershed consoles, all those
kind of partners, because somehave also a lot of experience
doing restoration work.
For example, the MidcoastWatershed Console does this kind
of work.
They have a nursery.
The Tillamook EstuaryPartnership also does this kind
of work, and they have anursery.
(06:54):
So it's great to have theexpertise also of those local
groups to see how we can dosomething like that.
And for now, it's just theplanting guy And who knows,
maybe in the future, and becreating some workshops, who
knows, with the Master Gardenerprogram.
RR (07:09):
Now, you're talking about one specific item and that's a
guide on plantings.
Do you also get involved withtsunami and this type of thing?
Tell me about that.
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (07:21):
Yeah, so for example, another
project.
So I'm lucky that at OSUExtension, there is someone
working for DOGAMI, soDepartment of Geology and
Mineral Industries, Laura Gable,and we share the same building.
And that is really greatbecause she's the expert.
She's like a coastalgeomorphologist.
And me, I'm more like, let'ssay, you know, like you said,
(07:42):
the community outreach andengagement
Jana (07:44):
person.
And
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (07:45):
a project we're trying to do is
like making sure, for example,the hospitality industry has a
way to inform their staff andvisitors about where to go in
case of like a tsunami, distantor local tsunami.
And they've been working ondeveloping custom tsunami
evacuation maps.
And my role was like...
Okay, how can we make thosemaps maybe better?
(08:08):
What kind of information we canremove or add from the map in
terms of directions or where togo?
But also, how do we distributethose?
How do we communicate with thehospitality industry?
And I'm also trying to have asurvey out there to ask the
hospitality industry, what kindof training would you like to
have for your staff?
What kind of information wouldyou like to have?
you know, to explain tovisitors.
(08:30):
And in the meantime, here islike some tsunami evacuation map
that if you want, you can havein your hotel rooms.
And some hotels have beendisplaying those in their hotel
rooms.
RR (08:39):
If I am a hotelier and I need this information from my
guests, from my staff, who do Icontact?
How do I get a hold of you?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (08:47):
Yeah, so you can contact me directly
because I'm in direct contactwith, you know, Dogami.
So it should be going to theOregon Sea Grant page and I
don't have the address on top ofmy head, but I think it's like
seagrant.oregonstate.edu.
And after, you have to look forcoastal hazards.
So you can just type coastalhazards in the little search
(09:11):
window.
RR (09:12):
Very good.
We appreciate you being here,Felicia.
It's been most interesting.
Look forward to having you backagain as your work progresses.
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schu (09:20):
Thanks.
Yeah, like hopefully.
More projects to come, youknow, for example, this summer
we may try also to do someoutreach and education trainings
with the staff at State Parks.
So we may do a project likethat so they can inform
visitors.
And working with my colleagueat Clatsop County was working on
(09:41):
wildfires.
So,
RR (09:43):
yeah, a lot of work.
We'll be back in just a moment.
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RR (10:31):
There's a famous line in a movie in Kula and Luke, what we
have here is a failure tocommunicate.
Communications is what we'regoing to be talking about, and
communications is really...
Doug Holbrooks claimed to fameright now with the Lincoln
County Auxiliary CommunicationServices.
Doug, thank you for joining us.
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (10:51):
My pleasure, sir.
How are you?
RR (10:53):
I'm good.
Now, Lincoln County Servicesfor Communications, tell me
about that.
What's your involvement?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (11:01):
Well, I'm involved with part of its sort
of leadership structure, andI've been part of its formation
structure.
but it was sort of getting offthe ground in its current form,
which was several years ago.
But anyway, so yes, activelyengaged in helping manage the
(11:26):
training and education and thatsort of thing of the members.
RR (11:31):
We're talking about a nonprofit organization, Doug?
Doug Holbrook – N7K (11:35):
Absolutely.
We are affiliated with theLincoln County Sheriff's Office
under the emergency management.
And the emergency manager iswho we interface with.
And if she were to call us out,we would be responding to a
(11:55):
communications issue at herbehest.
RR (11:59):
Speaking of calling you out, N7KNK.
That's correct.
And that is what?
That is an FCC call sign.
And when do you utilize that?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (12:11):
Every member of the ACS group has an
FCC license to operate theirradios.
And depending on the level oflicense, they have certain radio
privileges.
So on the low end, it's mostlysort of the walkie-talkie level
(12:32):
and up to...
50 watts or so on a base radioand on up to where you can run
1,500 watts on a radio and thatsort of thing.
RR (12:44):
What type of things happen, Doug, that you get called off to
set up this communicationsystem?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (12:51):
Well, it has been a situation where we
have not been officiallydeployed.
We just haven't had that levelof problem where we would be
needed.
As time goes on and as systemsadvance with satellites and
primarily with satellitecommunications, we are learning
(13:14):
how to operate those sorts ofsystems in order to also support
the county's communications.
RR (13:20):
How big a network are we talking about, Doug?
Doug Holbrook – N7KN (13:23):
Nominally, we have about 70 members.
RR (13:26):
Oh, wow.
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (13:27):
Since, I would say, COVID, the active
participation has dropped some.
But we do drills a few times ayear where we have formal
exercises.
We also have public serviceevents that we participate in.
One of them is called theBarrel to Keg, and we usually
(13:49):
have to call up around 40volunteers to work that event.
And it's really quite goodtraining for tactical radio
operations.
RR (14:00):
How does one become involved with this organization?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (14:04):
Well, most people come to us
interested in getting licensed,or if they're already licensed,
they can contact myself or theycan use the following email,
contact at lcacs.org.
(14:24):
and that person can be directedas to what next steps they
might need to take in theirsituation.
RR (14:32):
What does one get out of it, Doug, personally speaking, if
you will?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (14:37):
Well, there's been a great interest in
emergency communications aswe've seen hurricanes and
tornadoes and potential for anearthquake and fires, yes, in
our own zone.
And so, you know, people, Ithink, get some satisfaction out
(14:58):
of knowing that they have askill that they might be able to
use to help people.
RR (15:04):
That's the bottom line.
To help people.
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (15:07):
Exactly.
Exactly.
RR (15:10):
Well, that's a rather ambitious undertaking.
And again, we do appreciateyour efforts.
And you mentioned that you'vegot a group of about 70 at this
point in time.
Do you have to make a biginvestment of money and time to
be a member of thisorganization?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (15:28):
No.
The costs of participation are,you know...
studying to get licensed,sitting down and taking the
test.
The test, I think, is $20 or$25 these days to have the test
administered to you.
And then the cost of radios isvariable based upon what you
(15:52):
want, really.
You can get into it ratherinexpensively with some of the
equipment that's available.
And in terms of time, we meetmonthly.
RR (16:05):
Years ago, I had what was called a third phone for radio.
Third, second, and first.
Is that the lineup of licensingstill?
I'm not sure I understand.
Okay.
You had to have been into radioall of the time, I guess, to be
involved with the FCC licensingto be licensed.
(16:27):
on the air running equipment.
Doug, we appreciate you beinghere on this program.
And again, to get a hold ofDoug Holbrook and the
organization, we do what?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (16:39):
Email to contact, C-O-N-C-A-C-T at
L-C-A-C-S dot org.
PSA (16:51):
The National Association for Amateur Radio at
1-800-326-3942.
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Veterans, we
RR (17:41):
can't say thank you enough.
We can't say welcome homeenough.
With us is Brad Dahl, and Bradis involved in all sorts of
veteran activities for thebenefit of the local vet.
That's
Brad Dull (17:54):
very true,
RR (17:55):
yes.
Why is it we need to do this?
Because it should be just fullyunderstood.
Brad Dull (18:04):
My experience after 21 years of being with the VA
since Vietnam and my second tourin the service, I understand
how difficult Not only is it toget through the paperwork, but
get you to the trough, so tospeak, and help you drink in a
little bit.
And then I get you to thatpoint where you can fill out
your paperwork and send it in.
(18:24):
I understand what veterans gothrough having been in combat in
Vietnam.
I understand the stresses.
I understand the post-traumaticstress, the betrayal, all that
stuff.
And what my job, my goal is, mymission, so to speak, is to
better help the veterans andtheir families understand what
available for them and how toget it without having to go
through all the hoops.
RR (18:44):
This really is your mission.
Yes.
I mean, you take a lot of pridein what you do.
Where can somebody access whatyou have to offer?
Brad Dull (18:56):
Well, in Lincoln County, I've done all the
fraternal organizations, somechurches, some living centers,
and done my speech basically atthese organizations.
I also work with, I'm avolunteer with the Oregon
Department of Veterans Affairs,which is in Summer Street in
Salem.
And so I have my cards allover.
(19:17):
If families want me to come andvisit them, I do.
If they want me to go to theirchurches or wherever and tell
them where they can get a holdof me, that's It's pretty basic.
I'm ready.
I've got the tables andeverything set up, ready to go.
RR (19:30):
What's the biggest misconception we get of today's
veteran?
Brad Dull (19:35):
I think a lot of people don't understand the
military itself.
And I know in my training andthat looking back over the
years, a lot of people I thinkmaybe a little bit anticipated
and wanting to get a hold withveterans because they're not
really sure kind of wherethey're at.
They all think some of us arewacko or whatever, and we're
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not.
But we're just people lookingfor someone to talk to.
To get a hold of us isdifficult in areas.
I've been here now in LincolnCity for two years.
I moved over from Dallas partlyto to do this as a volunteer.
Just resources and trying tofind out where we are and how
they can call us or how they cancome visit us.
(20:17):
And those are some of thethings that I'm working on now
with the Veterans Center inSalem.
RR (20:22):
Volunteer is your key word because all you do is volunteer.
Brad Dull (20:28):
Yes, and I don't get paid.
I've been to Florida and done athing a few years back for the
American Legion there withrelatives.
And, yeah, it's all avolunteer.
I've been all over theNorthwest area.
part of the state doing thisand up and down the coast for
seven years now.
RR (20:47):
What kind of veteran organizations are there in North
County?
American Legion?
What do we have?
Brad Dull (20:53):
Well, I'm also a member of the American Legion,
as you know.
And there's the Elks that doessome work with the veterans and
that.
I've been with the...
VFW.
I've been with American Legion.
I've been with, gosh, so manyover the years.
They're here.
And there are some that arestill pretty busy and still
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pretty active and helpingveterans a lot.
And so I think a lot of thethings for veterans is they're
so used to not having servicesin some areas throughout the
state that they just kind ofgive up.
RR (21:27):
What kind of services are available right here in North
County?
Brad Dull (21:31):
Well, through ODVA, I've learned a lot in the seven
years I've been with ODVA.
There's a school.
People want to go to school.
There's grants for that, aswell as through other parts of
the veterans.
There's just a myriad of thingsas far as opportunities.
There's activities called G4V.
It's Guitar for Vets.
I've been trying to promotethat for two years.
(21:52):
It's kind of hard to findpeople, but you get a free
guitar after 10 lessons, and youget booked in a place if you
want to play.
And there's also, oh, let mesee, guitar.
There's art classes.
I've been wanting to do artclasses for the time I've in
here.
It's just hard to get peopletogether to do it.
So the biggest problem isgetting them out of the house
(22:12):
and letting them know thatthere's stuff here.
It's free.
You
RR (22:18):
bring a lot of personal experiences to the table with
this, don't you?
Brad Dull (22:23):
Yes, I do.
RR (22:25):
Any that you talk about frequently?
Brad Dull (22:28):
I'm pretty much an open book.
Maybe I talk too muchsometimes.
I was in treatment with the VAfor...
Three and a half years, whichis reintegration, basically
group therapy for a while.
And then some things happenedin 2007.
And so I went to the VeteransCenter in Eugene for another 12
years, 10 years, excuse me, 10years for group therapy there.
(22:50):
So I've been involved in a lotof treatment programs and a lot
of therapy and a lot of things,which has given me a a better
understanding of how ourveterans work, what they look
for, what they don't want, andthat.
And so I try to bring myexperience to the table.
And there's three things thatover my 21 years with the VA,
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first thing we look for is wewant somebody we can trust.
We need a safe place to go dothat.
And if you haven't done it, ifyou haven't been there and done
it, we don't want to talk toyou, basically.
We don't want, everybody'simportant, but we want somebody
that's been there and seen whatwe've seen and done before
They're really willing to talk,I think, a lot.
RR (23:29):
And again, being able to talk to somebody that's been
there, done that.
Brad Dull (23:34):
Yes.
Myself, having been in actionin Vietnam, I want to find
somebody that's done that.
Because when I see a veteran, Idon't have to go up and say,
hey, dude, what did you do?
And when you're in service orsomething, if they were in the
service, if they were in Vietnamor any conflict, I get it.
I don't have to question themabout stuff.
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I understand because I've beenthere and done it.
And so I want to find peoplenot like me, but people that
have had that same experienceand know that we are brothers
and sisters and we don't have toquestion each other all the
time about, hey, how was it?
Did I
RR (24:11):
get
Brad Dull (24:11):
a hold of you how?
Well, you can call the Elksevery Wednesday at 9 a.m.
at Pioneer Joe's on Taft on51st Street.
The owners there, Jerome, wasgiving me a good opportunity to
have that space in the back andto give talks and stuff.
And so that's one way.
Let me see.
(24:32):
Salishan.
I'm there.
Pioneer Joe's there a lot.
And you can find me walkingaround Walmart with my hat.
And that's where I meet.
I've met probably over 100 andsome people in the two years
helping them just because I havemy hat on.
That's what draws attention.
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Well, we're about ready toclose up another edition of this
program.
We would like to give ourthanks to the Rotary Club for
inviting us to be presenters attheir last Rotary function.
That was a Rather interestingand some interesting questions.
Son Paul (25:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks to the Rotarians, DavePrice in particular, for
inviting us.
But yeah, you know, and onething that we presented at that,
which we haven't really shared,I think, with the listening
audience, is this fact that youcan see our...
podcast and read our podcast,in a sense, through subtitles if
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you're on the YouTube channel.
So this is
RR (25:55):
something I did not know.
This is something that I heardof for the first time today
myself.
And You know, really?
Son Paul (26:03):
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
You just go to the YouTubechannel, the Double R Show
YouTube channel, which you canget a link to.
And then there is on theplayer, when you look at the
player, there's just the CC.
Tap on that and it'll instantlypop up English language
captions.
But then you can change those,too, to your other language of
choice, too.
So you can get, you know, I wasplaying with it earlier today.
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You can get, you know, theDouble R Show written out in
Dutch, for instance.
So, you know, there's lots ofways.
RR (26:31):
Well, for instance, Monica, the are in Germany most of the
time anymore.
Now they can listen to it inGerman.
Well, read the
Son Paul (26:38):
subtitles in German.
It doesn't, it doesn't, yeah,it's just changing the
subtitles, but you know, it's,it's a accessibility option for
folks.
So if you're, you know, wantingto catch up on the double R
show, you know, here you have anopportunity just to read along
with, with what's being said.
RR (26:56):
Some of the other meetings forthcoming in and around the
community.
We have city council meetingMonday night, six o'clock and
council And then on the 10th,the Lincoln City Parks and Rec
Board has their regular meetingat 2.30 in the afternoon.
Also, Lincoln Pops Orchestra,music and dance, third Thursday
of every month, 7 to 9.30, outat the Glen Eden Beach Community
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Club.
Gentle chair yoga, Mondays,11.30, at the Lincoln City
Cultural Center.
We've talked about this anumber of times, and this is the
vest that the CERT group ishanding out to people that they
see at night
Son Paul (27:35):
that are not being seen at night.
and get your free
RR (27:53):
vest from the CERT team here.
at Chinook Wins Casino Resorthas got a major number of food
(28:17):
venues for you.
If you are looking for a greatplace to have a buffet, it's
probably one of the few in thearea, especially Friday night.
Friday night seafood buffet upat Chinook Wins Casino Resort.
It is phenomenal.
If you're looking for just ahamburger, fish and chips, a
(28:38):
bowl of chowder, the deli rightthere at Chinook Wins.
Obviously, I've been a numberof times because I know the
menu.
Yeah, they got burritos theretoo, I think.
They got burritos there aswell.
They got a full Mexican menu aswell.
That's downstairs right behindwhere the waterfall used to be,
but it's right underneath theescalators.
Son Paul (28:58):
Yeah, that remodel is really fabulous.
It really is.
Nice job.
Telling somebody about thegiant whale that you can see on
the big jumbotron too.
Well,
RR (29:09):
in the signage, the outside of the building itself, what
they have done with the facadeof the Chinook Winds Casino,
it's wonderful.
Son Paul (29:19):
It really is.
It's looking even better andbetter, yeah, you bet.
RR (29:22):
And a couple other food venues that they have,
obviously, Rogue River Room, andthen, of course, right there on
the property is the SeafoodGrill.
Wonderful food.
And then up at the golf course,Aces.
Aces is the places.
So Chinook Winds Casino Ifyou've seen a resort, remember
food is better at the beach.
(29:43):
And last but not least, one toremind everybody to pick up a
copy of the Explore Lincoln City2025 Visitor Guide.
This is just a marvelous pieceof literature and color and
beauty.
It's a showcase, yeah.
It is a showcase of ourshowcase community.
So make certain that you pickup a copy of this.
(30:05):
Have it in your home if you'vegot a business, especially a
motel, restaurant, gift shop.
Have it in your hotel, giftshop.
Several copies of it.
Son Paul (30:16):
Speaking of publications, too, the Oregon
Coast Community College iscoming out with the Catch the
Wave, right?
Okay.
Just the recent offerings forthe spring term.
So that would be another thingto be looking for.
I know that I'm going to have amuscle harvesting class in
there.
That is always well received.
We fill that up all the time.
Yeah, yeah.
It's fun.
It's a nice class.
(30:37):
They've got to have a license.
Got to have a license, yep.
It's just a nice activity.
You can learn about how tosafely and legally harvest
muscles.
on the Oregon coast.
And then cook them up, preparethem, and dine.
It's all
RR (30:49):
part of the class, yeah.
I like most of the items thatcome out of the mussels.
Son Paul (30:54):
I know you're not a mussel fan.
That's fine with me.
I'm happy
RR (30:57):
to eat all of your share.
And why not?
So, anything else you've saidat the table, Paul?
I think we're clear from here.
That'll do it to the dunes.
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do that as well.
Absolutely.
For Bull, I'm Double R.
Have a happy day.
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RR (00:30):
And welcome to the Double R Show, Double R along with son
Paul.
And today we're going to do anumber of different interviews
as we approach what?
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Yeah, we're going to navigate and we're going to
communicate, I think, is thegoal here.
And so we've got a number ofguests coming on.
We've got FeliciaAlmeida-Schultz, Dr.
Schultz.
She's the coastal hazardspecialist for Oregon Sea Grant.
Douglas Holbrook is going tospeak about the auxiliary
communications that he's partof, you know, with the county.
(01:00):
So he's the ham.
He's one of the hams.
And then also we have Brad Dullas a veteran advocate that's
going to be on.
So helping people navigatethrough What can be a pretty
daunting process.
It really
RR (01:13):
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make it worthwhile.
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RR (01:52):
Hey, welcome back to the Double R Show.
With us right now, we've got aSea Grant specialist that is
with us, Felicia Schultz.
And you are originally fromFrance.
What brought you to The Oregoncoast.
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (02:05):
Yeah, so I'm originally from an
island in the Mediterranean Seain France called Corsica, born
and raised there.
And the reason why I came tothe U.S.
is just I really wanted totravel and study abroad.
So I went to a university thatbasically it was two years in
France, two years in the U.S.,and I did oceanography.
But I ended up staying in theU.S.
(02:27):
and did more studies abroad.
And, you know, after mybachelor in Hawaii, I went to
get my master in University ofRhode Island and after my PhD at
Washington State University.
And also I met my husband inthe US.
So that's why.
I'm here now.
That is a marvelous historicaltour of the world.
(02:49):
Yes.
RR (02:51):
I love that.
I love that.
Right now, you are a coastalhazard specialist.
That seems like an awful,ominous title.
Well, what is a coastalhazardous specialist?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (03:04):
Yeah, so what I consider myself is
more like a liaison.
And I can explain that, youknow, into more detail after.
But basically, my mission as acoastal hazard specialist is to
increase coastal communities'resilience to the impacts of
climate change and naturalgeo-hazards.
And natural geo-hazards arecoastal flooding, erosion,
(03:27):
landslide, tsunami andearthquakes.
So all the fun stuff.
RR (03:32):
Are you working to mitigate these things or just make
awareness to the generalpopulation?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schul (03:39):
That's a good question.
Like I mentioned, I considermyself a molecular liaison in a
way that Because our program,Oregon Sea Grant, is under
Oregon State UniversityExtension Service.
So we're doing a lot ofcommunity engagement and
outreach.
And I connect, let's say,researchers, for example, at
(04:01):
Oregon State University orUniversity of Oregon, different
universities, differentspecialists, different agencies,
and try to bring back theresources, the information on
the ground with localcommunities, but also any needs
any concerns from let's saylocal emergency managers local
non-profits local communitybased organizations local HOA
(04:25):
any individuals I can then youknow transfer those needs to the
research or the agency and findwhere the resources are and
where for example there is amissing resource somewhere or
information like I'm going togive you an example of a project
I'm working on right now it'slike try to develop a planting
(04:45):
guide to help control erosion onthe coast for Oregon and
Washington.
And I've been asked byindividuals through Ask
Extension, which is a program ofOregon State University
Extension, asking me what can Iplant on my property to help
control erosion because myproperty is on the bluff or is
(05:06):
that close to the beach.
And I've been asking around andIs there any resource?
You know, can I have access tosuch resource?
And by talking to differentpartners, they're like, no, we
don't have such resource.
So it's when I decided tocreate a work group and
developing this resource.
And I'm going to have an internthis summer to help.
develop this planting guide.
RR (05:29):
So the work that you're doing is not just for Lincoln
County, then.
It's got to be the entireOregon-Washington coast?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (05:35):
So it's the whole Oregon coast, so
all the coastal counties.
But in the past, I worked alsoin Washington with Washington
Sea Grant.
So I have colleagues throughthe Sea Grant family, as I call
it, who are in Washington state.
And because our ecosystems, thehabitat, the issues we have
with, let's say, coastal erosionand flooding on the coast, I
(05:57):
really see between Oregon andWashington, I was thinking, why
not doing a planting guide forthose two states, for the
Pacific Northwest?
RR (06:05):
When you're talking about a planting guide, are we talking
about trees?
Are we talking about grasses?
Or all of the above?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (06:11):
All of the above, yeah.
And because I'm not a botanist,I'm not an expert in plants, so
that's why then we havepartners like, for example, with
USDA or TRC, like Department ofLand Conservation and
Development.
Also, sometimes being on thecoast, you need to have a permit
depending what you do, whatyour property is, so that's why.
(06:32):
One of the partners is alsoOregon Parks and Recreation
Department, as well as somewatershed consoles, all those
kind of partners, because somehave also a lot of experience
doing restoration work.
For example, the MidcoastWatershed Console does this kind
of work.
They have a nursery.
The Tillamook EstuaryPartnership also does this kind
of work, and they have anursery.
(06:54):
So it's great to have theexpertise also of those local
groups to see how we can dosomething like that.
And for now, it's just theplanting guy And who knows,
maybe in the future, and becreating some workshops, who
knows, with the Master Gardenerprogram.
RR (07:09):
Now, you're talking about one specific item and that's a
guide on plantings.
Do you also get involved withtsunami and this type of thing?
Tell me about that.
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (07:21):
Yeah, so for example, another
project.
So I'm lucky that at OSUExtension, there is someone
working for DOGAMI, soDepartment of Geology and
Mineral Industries, Laura Gable,and we share the same building.
And that is really greatbecause she's the expert.
She's like a coastalgeomorphologist.
And me, I'm more like, let'ssay, you know, like you said,
(07:42):
the community outreach andengagement
Jana (07:44):
person.
And
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (07:45):
a project we're trying to do is
like making sure, for example,the hospitality industry has a
way to inform their staff andvisitors about where to go in
case of like a tsunami, distantor local tsunami.
And they've been working ondeveloping custom tsunami
evacuation maps.
And my role was like...
Okay, how can we make thosemaps maybe better?
(08:08):
What kind of information we canremove or add from the map in
terms of directions or where togo?
But also, how do we distributethose?
How do we communicate with thehospitality industry?
And I'm also trying to have asurvey out there to ask the
hospitality industry, what kindof training would you like to
have for your staff?
What kind of information wouldyou like to have?
you know, to explain tovisitors.
(08:30):
And in the meantime, here islike some tsunami evacuation map
that if you want, you can havein your hotel rooms.
And some hotels have beendisplaying those in their hotel
rooms.
RR (08:39):
If I am a hotelier and I need this information from my
guests, from my staff, who do Icontact?
How do I get a hold of you?
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schult (08:47):
Yeah, so you can contact me directly
because I'm in direct contactwith, you know, Dogami.
So it should be going to theOregon Sea Grant page and I
don't have the address on top ofmy head, but I think it's like
seagrant.oregonstate.edu.
And after, you have to look forcoastal hazards.
So you can just type coastalhazards in the little search
(09:11):
window.
RR (09:12):
Very good.
We appreciate you being here,Felicia.
It's been most interesting.
Look forward to having you backagain as your work progresses.
Dr. Felicia Olmeta Schu (09:20):
Thanks.
Yeah, like hopefully.
More projects to come, youknow, for example, this summer
we may try also to do someoutreach and education trainings
with the staff at State Parks.
So we may do a project likethat so they can inform
visitors.
And working with my colleagueat Clatsop County was working on
(09:41):
wildfires.
So,
RR (09:43):
yeah, a lot of work.
We'll be back in just a moment.
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There's a famous line in a movie in Kula and Luke, what we
have here is a failure tocommunicate.
Communications is what we'regoing to be talking about, and
communications is really...
Doug Holbrooks claimed to fameright now with the Lincoln
County Auxiliary CommunicationServices.
Doug, thank you for joining us.
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (10:51):
My pleasure, sir.
How are you?
RR (10:53):
I'm good.
Now, Lincoln County Servicesfor Communications, tell me
about that.
What's your involvement?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (11:01):
Well, I'm involved with part of its sort
of leadership structure, andI've been part of its formation
structure.
but it was sort of getting offthe ground in its current form,
which was several years ago.
But anyway, so yes, activelyengaged in helping manage the
(11:26):
training and education and thatsort of thing of the members.
RR (11:31):
We're talking about a nonprofit organization, Doug?
Doug Holbrook – N7K (11:35):
Absolutely.
We are affiliated with theLincoln County Sheriff's Office
under the emergency management.
And the emergency manager iswho we interface with.
And if she were to call us out,we would be responding to a
(11:55):
communications issue at herbehest.
RR (11:59):
Speaking of calling you out, N7KNK.
That's correct.
And that is what?
That is an FCC call sign.
And when do you utilize that?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (12:11):
Every member of the ACS group has an
FCC license to operate theirradios.
And depending on the level oflicense, they have certain radio
privileges.
So on the low end, it's mostlysort of the walkie-talkie level
(12:32):
and up to...
50 watts or so on a base radioand on up to where you can run
1,500 watts on a radio and thatsort of thing.
RR (12:44):
What type of things happen, Doug, that you get called off to
set up this communicationsystem?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (12:51):
Well, it has been a situation where we
have not been officiallydeployed.
We just haven't had that levelof problem where we would be
needed.
As time goes on and as systemsadvance with satellites and
primarily with satellitecommunications, we are learning
(13:14):
how to operate those sorts ofsystems in order to also support
the county's communications.
RR (13:20):
How big a network are we talking about, Doug?
Doug Holbrook – N7KN (13:23):
Nominally, we have about 70 members.
RR (13:26):
Oh, wow.
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (13:27):
Since, I would say, COVID, the active
participation has dropped some.
But we do drills a few times ayear where we have formal
exercises.
We also have public serviceevents that we participate in.
One of them is called theBarrel to Keg, and we usually
(13:49):
have to call up around 40volunteers to work that event.
And it's really quite goodtraining for tactical radio
operations.
RR (14:00):
How does one become involved with this organization?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (14:04):
Well, most people come to us
interested in getting licensed,or if they're already licensed,
they can contact myself or theycan use the following email,
contact at lcacs.org.
(14:24):
and that person can be directedas to what next steps they
might need to take in theirsituation.
RR (14:32):
What does one get out of it, Doug, personally speaking, if
you will?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (14:37):
Well, there's been a great interest in
emergency communications aswe've seen hurricanes and
tornadoes and potential for anearthquake and fires, yes, in
our own zone.
And so, you know, people, Ithink, get some satisfaction out
(14:58):
of knowing that they have askill that they might be able to
use to help people.
RR (15:04):
That's the bottom line.
To help people.
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (15:07):
Exactly.
Exactly.
RR (15:10):
Well, that's a rather ambitious undertaking.
And again, we do appreciateyour efforts.
And you mentioned that you'vegot a group of about 70 at this
point in time.
Do you have to make a biginvestment of money and time to
be a member of thisorganization?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (15:28):
No.
The costs of participation are,you know...
studying to get licensed,sitting down and taking the
test.
The test, I think, is $20 or$25 these days to have the test
administered to you.
And then the cost of radios isvariable based upon what you
(15:52):
want, really.
You can get into it ratherinexpensively with some of the
equipment that's available.
And in terms of time, we meetmonthly.
RR (16:05):
Years ago, I had what was called a third phone for radio.
Third, second, and first.
Is that the lineup of licensingstill?
I'm not sure I understand.
Okay.
You had to have been into radioall of the time, I guess, to be
involved with the FCC licensingto be licensed.
(16:27):
on the air running equipment.
Doug, we appreciate you beinghere on this program.
And again, to get a hold ofDoug Holbrook and the
organization, we do what?
Doug Holbrook – N7KNK (16:39):
Email to contact, C-O-N-C-A-C-T at
L-C-A-C-S dot org.
PSA (16:51):
The National Association for Amateur Radio at
1-800-326-3942.
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RR (17:41):
can't say thank you enough.
We can't say welcome homeenough.
With us is Brad Dahl, and Bradis involved in all sorts of
veteran activities for thebenefit of the local vet.
That's
Brad Dull (17:54):
very true,
RR (17:55):
yes.
Why is it we need to do this?
Because it should be just fullyunderstood.
Brad Dull (18:04):
My experience after 21 years of being with the VA
since Vietnam and my second tourin the service, I understand
how difficult Not only is it toget through the paperwork, but
get you to the trough, so tospeak, and help you drink in a
little bit.
And then I get you to thatpoint where you can fill out
your paperwork and send it in.
(18:24):
I understand what veterans gothrough having been in combat in
Vietnam.
I understand the stresses.
I understand the post-traumaticstress, the betrayal, all that
stuff.
And what my job, my goal is, mymission, so to speak, is to
better help the veterans andtheir families understand what
available for them and how toget it without having to go
through all the hoops.
RR (18:44):
This really is your mission.
Yes.
I mean, you take a lot of pridein what you do.
Where can somebody access whatyou have to offer?
Brad Dull (18:56):
Well, in Lincoln County, I've done all the
fraternal organizations, somechurches, some living centers,
and done my speech basically atthese organizations.
I also work with, I'm avolunteer with the Oregon
Department of Veterans Affairs,which is in Summer Street in
Salem.
And so I have my cards allover.
(19:17):
If families want me to come andvisit them, I do.
If they want me to go to theirchurches or wherever and tell
them where they can get a holdof me, that's It's pretty basic.
I'm ready.
I've got the tables andeverything set up, ready to go.
RR (19:30):
What's the biggest misconception we get of today's
veteran?
Brad Dull (19:35):
I think a lot of people don't understand the
military itself.
And I know in my training andthat looking back over the
years, a lot of people I thinkmaybe a little bit anticipated
and wanting to get a hold withveterans because they're not
really sure kind of wherethey're at.
They all think some of us arewacko or whatever, and we're
(19:55):
not.
But we're just people lookingfor someone to talk to.
To get a hold of us isdifficult in areas.
I've been here now in LincolnCity for two years.
I moved over from Dallas partlyto to do this as a volunteer.
Just resources and trying tofind out where we are and how
they can call us or how they cancome visit us.
(20:17):
And those are some of thethings that I'm working on now
with the Veterans Center inSalem.
RR (20:22):
Volunteer is your key word because all you do is volunteer.
Brad Dull (20:28):
Yes, and I don't get paid.
I've been to Florida and done athing a few years back for the
American Legion there withrelatives.
And, yeah, it's all avolunteer.
I've been all over theNorthwest area.
part of the state doing thisand up and down the coast for
seven years now.
RR (20:47):
What kind of veteran organizations are there in North
County?
American Legion?
What do we have?
Brad Dull (20:53):
Well, I'm also a member of the American Legion,
as you know.
And there's the Elks that doessome work with the veterans and
that.
I've been with the...
VFW.
I've been with American Legion.
I've been with, gosh, so manyover the years.
They're here.
And there are some that arestill pretty busy and still
(21:14):
pretty active and helpingveterans a lot.
And so I think a lot of thethings for veterans is they're
so used to not having servicesin some areas throughout the
state that they just kind ofgive up.
RR (21:27):
What kind of services are available right here in North
County?
Brad Dull (21:31):
Well, through ODVA, I've learned a lot in the seven
years I've been with ODVA.
There's a school.
People want to go to school.
There's grants for that, aswell as through other parts of
the veterans.
There's just a myriad of thingsas far as opportunities.
There's activities called G4V.
It's Guitar for Vets.
I've been trying to promotethat for two years.
(21:52):
It's kind of hard to findpeople, but you get a free
guitar after 10 lessons, and youget booked in a place if you
want to play.
And there's also, oh, let mesee, guitar.
There's art classes.
I've been wanting to do artclasses for the time I've in
here.
It's just hard to get peopletogether to do it.
So the biggest problem isgetting them out of the house
(22:12):
and letting them know thatthere's stuff here.
It's free.
You
RR (22:18):
bring a lot of personal experiences to the table with
this, don't you?
Brad Dull (22:23):
Yes, I do.
RR (22:25):
Any that you talk about frequently?
Brad Dull (22:28):
I'm pretty much an open book.
Maybe I talk too muchsometimes.
I was in treatment with the VAfor...
Three and a half years, whichis reintegration, basically
group therapy for a while.
And then some things happenedin 2007.
And so I went to the VeteransCenter in Eugene for another 12
years, 10 years, excuse me, 10years for group therapy there.
(22:50):
So I've been involved in a lotof treatment programs and a lot
of therapy and a lot of things,which has given me a a better
understanding of how ourveterans work, what they look
for, what they don't want, andthat.
And so I try to bring myexperience to the table.
And there's three things thatover my 21 years with the VA,
(23:11):
first thing we look for is wewant somebody we can trust.
We need a safe place to go dothat.
And if you haven't done it, ifyou haven't been there and done
it, we don't want to talk toyou, basically.
We don't want, everybody'simportant, but we want somebody
that's been there and seen whatwe've seen and done before
They're really willing to talk,I think, a lot.
RR (23:29):
And again, being able to talk to somebody that's been
there, done that.
Brad Dull (23:34):
Yes.
Myself, having been in actionin Vietnam, I want to find
somebody that's done that.
Because when I see a veteran, Idon't have to go up and say,
hey, dude, what did you do?
And when you're in service orsomething, if they were in the
service, if they were in Vietnamor any conflict, I get it.
I don't have to question themabout stuff.
(23:55):
I understand because I've beenthere and done it.
And so I want to find peoplenot like me, but people that
have had that same experienceand know that we are brothers
and sisters and we don't have toquestion each other all the
time about, hey, how was it?
Did I
RR (24:11):
get
Brad Dull (24:11):
a hold of you how?
Well, you can call the Elksevery Wednesday at 9 a.m.
at Pioneer Joe's on Taft on51st Street.
The owners there, Jerome, wasgiving me a good opportunity to
have that space in the back andto give talks and stuff.
And so that's one way.
Let me see.
(24:32):
Salishan.
I'm there.
Pioneer Joe's there a lot.
And you can find me walkingaround Walmart with my hat.
And that's where I meet.
I've met probably over 100 andsome people in the two years
helping them just because I havemy hat on.
That's what draws attention.
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Well, we're about ready toclose up another edition of this
program.
We would like to give ourthanks to the Rotary Club for
inviting us to be presenters attheir last Rotary function.
That was a Rather interestingand some interesting questions.
Son Paul (25:33):
Yeah, yeah.
Thanks to the Rotarians, DavePrice in particular, for
inviting us.
But yeah, you know, and onething that we presented at that,
which we haven't really shared,I think, with the listening
audience, is this fact that youcan see our...
podcast and read our podcast,in a sense, through subtitles if
(25:53):
you're on the YouTube channel.
So this is
RR (25:55):
something I did not know.
This is something that I heardof for the first time today
myself.
And You know, really?
Son Paul (26:03):
Yeah, it's pretty simple.
You just go to the YouTubechannel, the Double R Show
YouTube channel, which you canget a link to.
And then there is on theplayer, when you look at the
player, there's just the CC.
Tap on that and it'll instantlypop up English language
captions.
But then you can change those,too, to your other language of
choice, too.
So you can get, you know, I wasplaying with it earlier today.
(26:25):
You can get, you know, theDouble R Show written out in
Dutch, for instance.
So, you know, there's lots ofways.
RR (26:31):
Well, for instance, Monica, the are in Germany most of the
time anymore.
Now they can listen to it inGerman.
Well, read the
Son Paul (26:38):
subtitles in German.
It doesn't, it doesn't, yeah,it's just changing the
subtitles, but you know, it's,it's a accessibility option for
folks.
So if you're, you know, wantingto catch up on the double R
show, you know, here you have anopportunity just to read along
with, with what's being said.
RR (26:56):
Some of the other meetings forthcoming in and around the
community.
We have city council meetingMonday night, six o'clock and
council And then on the 10th,the Lincoln City Parks and Rec
Board has their regular meetingat 2.30 in the afternoon.
Also, Lincoln Pops Orchestra,music and dance, third Thursday
of every month, 7 to 9.30, outat the Glen Eden Beach Community
(27:20):
Club.
Gentle chair yoga, Mondays,11.30, at the Lincoln City
Cultural Center.
We've talked about this anumber of times, and this is the
vest that the CERT group ishanding out to people that they
see at night
Son Paul (27:35):
that are not being seen at night.
and get your free
RR (27:53):
vest from the CERT team here.
at Chinook Wins Casino Resorthas got a major number of food
(28:17):
venues for you.
If you are looking for a greatplace to have a buffet, it's
probably one of the few in thearea, especially Friday night.
Friday night seafood buffet upat Chinook Wins Casino Resort.
It is phenomenal.
If you're looking for just ahamburger, fish and chips, a
(28:38):
bowl of chowder, the deli rightthere at Chinook Wins.
Obviously, I've been a numberof times because I know the
menu.
Yeah, they got burritos theretoo, I think.
They got burritos there aswell.
They got a full Mexican menu aswell.
That's downstairs right behindwhere the waterfall used to be,
but it's right underneath theescalators.
Son Paul (28:58):
Yeah, that remodel is really fabulous.
It really is.
Nice job.
Telling somebody about thegiant whale that you can see on
the big jumbotron too.
Well,
RR (29:09):
in the signage, the outside of the building itself, what
they have done with the facadeof the Chinook Winds Casino,
it's wonderful.
Son Paul (29:19):
It really is.
It's looking even better andbetter, yeah, you bet.
RR (29:22):
And a couple other food venues that they have,
obviously, Rogue River Room, andthen, of course, right there on
the property is the SeafoodGrill.
Wonderful food.
And then up at the golf course,Aces.
Aces is the places.
So Chinook Winds Casino Ifyou've seen a resort, remember
food is better at the beach.
(29:43):
And last but not least, one toremind everybody to pick up a
copy of the Explore Lincoln City2025 Visitor Guide.
This is just a marvelous pieceof literature and color and
beauty.
It's a showcase, yeah.
It is a showcase of ourshowcase community.
So make certain that you pickup a copy of this.
(30:05):
Have it in your home if you'vegot a business, especially a
motel, restaurant, gift shop.
Have it in your hotel, giftshop.
Several copies of it.
Son Paul (30:16):
Speaking of publications, too, the Oregon
Coast Community College iscoming out with the Catch the
Wave, right?
Okay.
Just the recent offerings forthe spring term.
So that would be another thingto be looking for.
I know that I'm going to have amuscle harvesting class in
there.
That is always well received.
We fill that up all the time.
Yeah, yeah.
It's fun.
It's a nice class.
(30:37):
They've got to have a license.
Got to have a license, yep.
It's just a nice activity.
You can learn about how tosafely and legally harvest
muscles.
on the Oregon coast.
And then cook them up, preparethem, and dine.
It's all
RR (30:49):
part of the class, yeah.
I like most of the items thatcome out of the mussels.
Son Paul (30:54):
I know you're not a mussel fan.
That's fine with me.
I'm happy
RR (30:57):
to eat all of your share.
And why not?
So, anything else you've saidat the table, Paul?
I think we're clear from here.
That'll do it to the dunes.
On a Double R show, remember tolike, share, so your family and
friends around the world andacross the street will have an
opportunity to hear the Double RAnd if you would like us to
come to your organization likewe did with the Rotary, happy to
(31:20):
do that as well.
Absolutely.
For Bull, I'm Double R.
Have a happy day.
Jana (31:30):
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