July 10, 2025 • 29 mins
Episode Highlights:
In this episode, Double R welcomes three of Oregon’s top leaders for a candid look at the 2025 political landscape—both in Salem and beyond. Attorney General Dan Rayfield kicks things off with insight into the state’s major lawsuits against the federal government—from tariff disputes to frozen funding—and why Oregon is taking a stand. Then, Senator Dick Anderson and Representative David Gomberg break down the highs, lows, and surprises of the 2025 legislative session, sharing what’s ahead for coastal communities and the state at large. Legal fights, legislative wins, and leadership are all explored.
- Dan Rayfield, Oregon Attorney General
- Dick Anderson, State Senator, District 5
- David Gomberg, Speaker Pro Tempore and State Representative, District 10
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Rep Gomberg (00:07):
Welcome
Jana (00:07):
to the Double R Show, the podcast that features
everything about North LincolnCounty.
The Double R Show directed andproduced by Paul Robertson and
hosted by the voice of LincolnCity, Roger Robertson.
RR (00:30):
Welcome to the Double R Show, Double R along with Stun
Paul, and it will be aninteresting program dealing not
so much with politics, but withwhat occurred in Salem.
Son Paul (00:41):
Yeah, state government and the federal government and
some of the impacts that we'reseeing across the board here.
We're going to be talking withAttorney General Dan Rayfield.
He was just in town and we wereable to catch him.
So a statewide office, we'llget to interview.
And then our representative andour senator also on the
program.
David Gomberg
RR (01:01):
and Dick Anderson all coming up right after this.
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RR (02:19):
Attorney General Dan Rayfield in Lincoln City to host
a town hall Monday nightsafeguarding Oregon against
federal oversight.
Attorney General, welcome.
AG Rayfield (02:31):
Well, thank you for having me.
It's always fun to be out here.
You had quite a crowd heretonight.
Well, you know, I can nevergauge crowds.
What I will tell you, and Imean this most genuinely, I
don't say this to every citythat I go to, is that the
questions were incrediblydiverse.
The audience was incrediblylive.
And I don't know if it's justthe summer and, you know, the
weather's warmer and people arestirring, but it was very
(02:53):
impressive.
RR (02:54):
Did you hear anything that surprised you?
AG Rayfield (02:56):
The one thing that continued to crop up, and I
expected it, but I didn't expectthe person nature of how it was
impacting more than federalemployees was the NOAA layoffs
and the impact to the economyand how that trickles out, not
just in with the individualsthat have been laid off.
That was incredibly striking.
It's incredibly relevant tosome of the lawsuits that we
(03:18):
have filed, but it was good tohear and see the multitude of
issues.
RR (03:23):
Talk a little bit about the lawsuits that you filed against
the federal government, you anda number of other attorney
generals across the UnitedStates, correct?
AG Rayfield (03:31):
Yeah, in this role, one of the things that we
always talked about and runningfor this position was, as
Oregon's Attorney General, howdo you protect the values of
Oregonians?
How do you enforce the rule oflaw?
And that's become kind of a newthing.
And you have a president rightnow that is making decisions in
the dark.
They're making decisions thatare consistently being ruled
unconstitutional or against therule of law.
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And so we have been holding theTrump administration's feet to
the fire to make sure that theyare following the rules.
Now, you president, you get aton of powers.
when you're president, right?
The thing is, you still got tofollow the Constitution.
You still got to follow therules.
And that's what we're trying todo.
You can make some of thesedecisions, you just got to do
them in the right place.
And often, these decisionsshould be made in Congress, not,
you know, in a closed roomdoor.
RR (04:14):
You do have a Supreme Court, though, that upholds a lot of
what the president has to say.
AG Rayfield (04:19):
Well, I might disagree a little bit with that.
And so what I have found in alot of the lawsuits that we
have, right now, Oregon'sengaged in 29.
Most of these cases, we havegotten positive court ruling in
lower courts and even in theupper courts.
Now, in the Supreme Court,you've had some technical issues
in the way that there areprocedural issues, some of the
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technical things.
You think about how injunctionscan be implemented.
There have been no rulings onthe merits of these cases.
I would say that one of themost interesting cases that we
had was the tariff case, wherethe state of Oregon, actually,
we led that case.
We went back east to New York.
We had a Trump-appointed judge.
We had a Reagan-appointed judgeand a Democratic-appointed
judge.
And we won that panel three tozero in a very bipartisan
(05:05):
fashion saying, hey, if you wantto do tariffs, do them the
right way.
RR (05:09):
During the course of the discussions tonight, I heard you
say the current session, thejust completed, very difficult
session is how you described it.
AG Rayfield (05:18):
Yeah, in the years that I have been engaged in
politics and watching thedynamics of the current
legislative session, you havethe uncertainty of our economy,
right?
Right now, the 29 lawsuits thatwe're engaged in are protecting
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$3.3 billion of funding.
Now imagine that you're alegislator trying to craft a
budget for $3.3 billion offederal funding that's tied up,
potentially, in lawsuits.
So it's a very tenuous anddifficult place to be if you're
a legislator right now.
RR (06:09):
What is the most intense subject matter that you've got
to deal with right nowstatewide?
AG Rayfield (06:15):
You know, what I will tell you is that the issues
that you face at the Departmentof Justice are personal in very
significant ways.
And whether you're dealing withdrug trafficking in a criminal
context, whether you areadvising agencies on critical,
important issues that are goingto impact people on the ground
in very significant ways,whether you are defending cases
(06:38):
for the state or proactivelypursuing cases in a way that you
see justice for consumers, allof those things are incredibly
impactful.
It's an incredibly meaningfulrole.
And I couldn't tell you that Icouldn't be more proud to like
serve on behalf of allOregonians in this role.
RR (06:55):
A lot of talk tonight about ICE and the immigrant issue.
Would you talk a little bitabout that, the state's
position?
AG Rayfield (07:04):
Yeah, and often when people are talking about
ICE and trying to understandthat, they're thinking about our
sanctuary status laws here inthis state.
And you'll hear other stateshave passed these laws as well.
And the idea behind sanctuarystatus laws are that we use
state resources for statepurposes.
And you think about your localtax dollars, right?
You want your local policeofficers enforcing your traffic
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laws, your burglary, your murderlaws, right?
You don't want them to bepulled away from those critical
things to then be compelled tobe working on immigration
issues.
And that's kind of this publicsafety focus on our sanctuary
state laws.
And that's where you're gettingthis rub right now, where the
federal government doesn't likethese laws.
However, we have a constitutionthat says, and it's very
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important, that the federalgovernment cannot come into any
state and accommodate ourresources for their aims.
Just imagine what that would dofor public safety, where they
would come in and yank ouralready thin resources in public
safety to other opportunities.
It's also incredibly importantfrom just a public safety
perspective.
If you have a community that isfearful of going into the
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courtroom to testify even as awitness, and this goes on in,
say, a domestic violence case oranother case, you are actually
prohibiting all our ability toprosecute crimes here in this
state.
And so that's the interestingpolicy rub that you're seeing
play out right now.
RR (08:21):
As Attorney General, one
AG Rayfield (08:23):
message you want to leave with Lincoln County?
One thing that I would say isthat I have absolutely enjoyed
being here and learning fromfolks that have come out.
And I think that's the mostimportant thing is that we are a
small enough state that ourgovernment is accessible to us.
And a lot of people, I don'tthink, realize that.
You can take your staterepresentative or your state
senator out to coffee and theywill go out to coffee with you.
(08:45):
And it's the same thing here atthe Department of Justice.
I've built a career on tryingto be accessible, listening and
learning and knowing that Idon't know everything, but
really focusing on what we wantour state to look like.
But that requires everybody'sengagement.
And I know we're all busy,right?
I'll get home and, you know, mywife and I'll be struggling to
figure out what we're going tocook for dinner for our son,
right, who's 13 and incrediblypicky.
(09:06):
You know, and we're trying tobreak him of that, but it's a
challenge.
But, you know, I know we'rebusy, but the more that we can
engage together and talk aboutwhat we need as community The
better the state will be.
The better the country will be.
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RR (10:18):
Welcome back to the Double R Show.
With us is Senator DickAnderson.
And this current week, we hadthe opportunity to have the
Attorney General in LincolnCity.
You were on the platform withhim.
How did you receive
Sen Anderson (10:32):
the crowd?
You know, thank you, Roger, forfirst having me once again.
It's nice to be a repeater.
Invited back, as they say.
You know, the forum I thoughtwas very exciting.
I was pleasantly pleased withthe crowd, both in size and
demeanor.
I thought it was veryreflective of the people I know
(10:55):
in Lincoln City and generallyhow they act and mix in a little
politics.
I was a little nervous, butpleasantly surprised at how well
it went.
RR (11:07):
Okay, the session, the legislative session is over.
There may well be an interimsession again.
The anything on
Sen Anderson (11:18):
those lines?
Have not, other than what'sbeen in the press.
I was actually recently on avirtual meeting, also kind of
getting some updates, and therewas no mention of specific
times.
Generally, July is not a goodtime to have a special session.
Legislators are tired, cranky,and lobbyists and everybody
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else.
So it's just worthwhile to getthem out of town, take a
vacation.
I still expect September.
When we have legislative days,legislators are coming in
anyway, easy to grab them, getyour quorum, be available.
If that's the case, then thatgives August as a month that
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needs to have some committeework done.
Unless you're gonna just try topass the bill that failed with
no modifications, you need a newcommittee, you need some
action.
and proposal of a new bill.
That would take the month ofAugust, and that would take
different people than have beenon to date on this Committee of
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Transportation.
RR (12:26):
With the legislative session just passed, your take, good,
bad, indifferent?
Sen Anderson (12:31):
I would say, again, good.
I always struggle with 160days.
That's a long time.
In this case, it was 158.
It's very tiring, and thatproved to be the case.
I think for myself, verybipartisan session for me.
(12:51):
I work well across the aislewith Democrats and Republicans.
I got my own bills movedthrough very well.
I was pleased with what poppedout at the other end, and the
governor is signing So for me,it was a good session in that
regard.
And I think for the people ofOregon.
not bad.
(13:12):
There were somedisappointments.
RR (13:14):
And I was going to ask you,
Sen Anderson (13:16):
what disappointed you if there is?
I think the biggest one, Roger,was the transportation bill,
the lack of a transportationbill.
We knew it last summer.
We knew it was needed.
Did a road show around thestate gathering information.
We then had 158 days to Pass abill.
(13:36):
And for it not to be able to bepushed forward and shaped so
that it would be passed was areal disappointment.
What lacked?
You know, it's easy to point,you know, Monday morning
quarterbacking.
I would say a lack ofleadership, lack of who was the
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leader of this organization.
I think I can't help but layblame on the governor and the
leaders of the two chambers.
They got the power.
They got the direction.
And then the committee itself,working through with enough
options and listening to bothsides.
(14:18):
It's hard work to negotiate, toput a bill together, especially
with taxes.
We knew there were going to beincreased taxes, and that's a
tough point.
So that was for me the biggestdisappointment.
I got involved late in thegame, actually the last week,
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because I'm, I guess, what theywould call a moderate
Republican.
They were looking for a vote.
I had a lot of people in myoffice, Republicans, where we
were talking about would we casta vote for this bill.
We had the other side talkingwith us, chairs and everything
(15:01):
else, wanting to trade favorsfor a vote.
At the end of the day, weweren't interested because the
bill wasn't a good bill.
It would not have accomplishedanything.
And that's the trouble.
RR (15:16):
When you look at your district, anything specifically
that you can hang your hat onthat says Senator Dick Anderson
brought this back to thedistrict?
Sen Anderson (15:26):
Oh, yeah.
I'll do the political stuff andbe putting out all sorts of
newsletters and stuff.
But, you know, Roger, I alwayschuckle because...
Typically, politicians talkabout the pork they brought
back, meaning money, to thedistrict.
I do both policy and pork, soto speak.
(15:48):
But to name a few things inLincoln County, I've got a nice
list of stuff here.
One, there's a new Office ofForestry building being built in
Newport.
It, funny, funny, has overrunits budget.
budget, needed like another sixmillion, and that got funded.
(16:12):
The dollars went to the PacificCoast Salmon Fund, dollars went
to the Collins Creek LandAcquisition Project, City of
Newport wastewater plantimprovements got millions,
millions for additionalaffordable housing projects, and
primarily some senior housing.
And then I was like summerschool Myles Tolan was pleased
(16:37):
to see some summer school moneycome into play.
So those are just a few of thethings in Lincoln County that
got touched.
A lot more when I go south,$100 million to Coos Bay, Port
of Coos Bay, for dredging to tiein with the container operation
that they're working.
(16:58):
So there's...
There's money around.
Money got put forth.
I feel privileged to have beenable to grab what I did.
And sorry about those whodidn't get any.
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RR (18:12):
State Representative David Gomberg joins us now.
Again, the legislative sessionis complete.
Your assessment, David?
Rep Gomberg (18:19):
Oh, my goodness, Roger.
A difficult session, a verydifficult session.
And if anybody were to ask mewhy, I would say, well, first of
all, we came back with a verydisappointing revenue forecast,
which is to say we had lessmoney to spend.
RR (18:34):
Surprisingly so.
Rep Gomberg (18:35):
Yeah.
And in Oregon, of course, wehave to pass a balanced budget,
so we can't spend more than webring in.
So learning in more March andthen May, how much money we had
meant that we had to step backand start reducing state
budgets.
That's hard work.
The second thing is uncertaintyfrom the federal government.
That was looming over us allthe way through, and it meant
(18:55):
that we need to put money inreserves in case, I say in case,
the federal government decidesto cut Medicaid,
RR (19:03):
or
Rep Gomberg (19:04):
food programs, or tuition support, a lot of
different kinds of things thatare critically important to
Oregonians and the Oregoneconomy.
And the third thing was theongoing challenge of the
partisan divide.
And while the session wasfairly civil, at the end of the
day, we still had a divide thatwas deeper and wider than I've
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seen it in many, many years.
And that underscored a lot ofthe efforts that went underway
during the course of the sessionas well.
RR (19:31):
Is that because of transportation primarily, or
were there other items in
Rep Gomberg (19:36):
there?
Well, there were plenty ofissues on the table where
disagreements filtered to thesurface.
But at the end of the day, itwas the challenge that the
majority party has theresponsibility to govern.
The minority party has theresponsibility to try and become
the majority party.
And so that was part of it.
And that's always part of it.
(19:57):
But there was also afundamental attitudinal
distinction in values.
And we had some members, notall members, but a few members
on the far left and on the farright that really colored the
tenor of the session and broughta lot of these frictions to the
surface.
And that's disappointing.
RR (20:15):
Now, you spent a lot of time in the big chair, if you will,
as running the legislativesession.
Rep Gomberg (20:22):
Well, if only there were a chair up there, Roger.
RR (20:24):
Well, you stood most of the time.
You
Rep Gomberg (20:26):
stood at the podium, sometimes for five or
six hours at a go.
Yes.
Why is that?
Well, I was elected by thebody, not just by the Democrats,
but by the entire body to bethe Speaker pro tempore.
That's technically the numbertwo position in the House.
And the main job of the Speakerpro tem is to stand in for the
Speaker whenever needed.
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And the Speaker, for a varietyof reasons, chose to spend less
time at the podium, which meantthat I spent more time up there.
Now, that's interesting becauseyou're running the meeting.
You've got to pay attention toevery word.
You've got to be prepared.
You've got to pay attentionevery moment.
(21:13):
And over the course of fivehours, that can start to wear
you down.
That's difficult.
I was glad to be there.
(21:36):
I was proud of the work that Idid.
I was certainly proud to beselected by my colleagues to do
that important job.
But I also, it wore on me fromtime to time.
RR (21:46):
Switching gears just momentarily, you were directly
responsible for the AttorneyGeneral being in Lincoln City.
That is something...
Pretty foreign to Lincoln Cityand the Oregon coast, having a
statewide person like that herein town.
Rep Gomberg (22:01):
Well, you know, I mentioned at the beginning of
the meeting that the last timewe had an attorney general here
was fairly normal times.
And that they came and theytalked about public safety.
They talked about consumerprotection.
They mostly talked about a lotof internet scams that were
going on.
And there were maybe a dozen or15 people in the room.
Well, this week we had 150people in the room and standing
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room only in the back.
and mostly concerns about theuncertainties of the federal
government, which I kind ofreferenced a few minutes ago.
So you were there.
You heard people standing upand saying, I've worked for the
federal government for 15 years,but I'd just been promoted, and
now I'm on probation, and theyfired me without warning, and
they claimed it was for cause,so I can't get unemployment.
(22:45):
I've heard that story over andover and over again.
We certainly know that losingthose jobs here in Lincoln
County has an effect on ourlocal economy because we've got
that science hub at HatfieldCenter at NOAA.
and at PacWest just south ofNewport.
So an effect on our economy,effect on our environment as we
lose that focus on oceanscience.
But it goes much deeper thanthat because it's grants for
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water and sewer programs orhousing programs that have been
withdrawn and canceled.
It's support for health care.
The Medicaid cuts could affecta third of the kids in Oregon
that are on the Oregon HealthPlan or seniors that are looking
for health care support.
And lack of thosereimbursements is going to
affect the sustainability of ourlocal hospitals.
It can't pay the bills withoutthose federal dollars coming in.
(23:28):
It affects food programs thatare available or financial aid
for our students.
I mean, the list goes on and onand on of different kinds of
things that we heard at thatmeeting were concerns.
And why did it come up at thismeeting?
Because our congresspeople goback to Washington, D.C., and
they vote one way or the other,but at the end of the day,
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Congress is not driving this busright now.
So they can't do very much.
The Oregon legislature can't dovery much.
But we are a nation of laws.
And so it's our attorneygeneral who brings these
lawsuits to protect Oregon jobsand Oregon people and Oregon
values.
And as you heard, he's broughtnearly 30 lawsuits against the
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federal government where theattorney general believes that
the law is not being followedand these programs are being
improperly eliminated.
RR (24:16):
Before we let you get away from here, give me the
legislative session rating forOregon.
this current session, A, B, C,D, E, F?
Where are you
Rep Gomberg (24:27):
at?
It was the most disappointingsession I've ever served in.
And I've served in sessionswhere half the members walked
out.
But this one just, there weretoo many big issues that didn't
get to the finish line.
I mean, yes, we took care ofour schools, but not well
enough.
We sort of took care ofwildfires by finding some new
funding sources, but not enoughmoney there.
We didn't take care of roads atall.
(24:49):
And that's going to come backto roost when we don't have fog
lines in the fog.
We don't have ice and snowremoval in the winter.
We don't have potholes beingfilled or accidents being
responded to.
That's going to be veryserious.
And a lot of coastal issues,particularly response to the
wildfire survivors in NorthLincoln County who are still
waiting, waiting, waiting forhelp that we weren't able to
(25:12):
provide support for.
So a lot of disappointments inthis session.
Some things to be proud of,some things to be pleased with,
but at the end of the day, bigthings that should have ended
differently and better.
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RR (25:39):
It's been fun having the opportunity to talk with Senator
Anderson, RepresentativeGomberg, and Attorney General
Dan Rayfield, having them allhere to give their take on what
happened in Salem.
Son Paul (25:53):
And then also just, you know, the federal impacts of
new administration and some ofthe lawsuits, frankly, that the
Attorney General has filed onbehalf of Oregonians.
RR (26:03):
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Community Kids Art Workshop atthe Lincoln City Cultural
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This is Thursdays 3 to 6.
Drop-in charge is only $5.
10 passes for just $40.
Lincoln City Caregiver SupportGroup sponsored by Alzheimer's
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a first and third Thursdays ofeach month, 10 to 1130 at the
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All veterans are invited to afree homemade soup and sandwich
luncheon sponsored by theLincoln City Elks Lodge, 1350
Southeast Orr Avenue.
This is twice a month, thesecond and fourth Wednesdays,
noon until two.
And the Nature Conservancy isseeking volunteers.
Want to talk about that, Paul?
Son Paul (27:06):
Yeah, so, you know, the Nature Conservancy is often
looking for these docents up onCascade Head.
And so throughout the May,September And the
RR (27:28):
first Christmas in July Turkey Drive is going to be
taking place on Friday, July 25.
This is sponsored by NorthLincoln Fire Department, the
Eagles, and Les Schwab TireCenter here in Lincoln City.
Selling turkeys.
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Turkeys, yeah.
Yeah, Turkey's in July for,well, you know, they're going to
let them fatten up still, butfor the fall, yeah.
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Stop into Les Schwab and Dr.
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That's where the tickets willbe sold.
Anything else on your side ofthe table?
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Yeah, well, so just this Saturday, the Cascade Head
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That's on July 12th, 9 a.m., sojoin Josh down there where you
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I like to get that out thereeach time.
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We do not, but the tide pool'sdown there, and he's going to be
doing some interpretive workdown there.
Then also coming at the end ofthe month, I want to talk a
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little bit about this one.
This one is Art on the Beach.
You know, the big graphics thatwe've done.
Right, right.
But it's coupled with the sandart competition that we've also
been doing the last couple ofyears.
And so for 20 bucks, you get a20 by 20 square.
You know, anybody's welcome tocome have a team.
Great prizes.
The big grand prize is providedby Chinook Winds.
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tickets, Rogue River kind of.
Thank you, Chinook Winds.
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And then there's a $200 cashprize and a $100 cash prize.
So just to play in the sand,you can win.
Whereabouts
RR (28:52):
on the beach?
Son Paul (28:52):
Yeah, thank you.
Roads End State Park.
It'll be the place.
And so that'll be on the 26thstarting at 8 a.m.
And we'll have judging takingplace at about 10 a.m.
So get your sticks and startdrawing on the sand.
RR (29:05):
It'll be fun.
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RR (00:30):
Welcome to the Double R Show, Double R along with Stun
Paul, and it will be aninteresting program dealing not
so much with politics, but withwhat occurred in Salem.
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Yeah, state government and the federal government and
some of the impacts that we'reseeing across the board here.
We're going to be talking withAttorney General Dan Rayfield.
He was just in town and we wereable to catch him.
So a statewide office, we'llget to interview.
And then our representative andour senator also on the
program.
David Gomberg
RR (01:01):
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Attorney General Dan Rayfield in Lincoln City to host
a town hall Monday nightsafeguarding Oregon against
federal oversight.
Attorney General, welcome.
AG Rayfield (02:31):
Well, thank you for having me.
It's always fun to be out here.
You had quite a crowd heretonight.
Well, you know, I can nevergauge crowds.
What I will tell you, and Imean this most genuinely, I
don't say this to every citythat I go to, is that the
questions were incrediblydiverse.
The audience was incrediblylive.
And I don't know if it's justthe summer and, you know, the
weather's warmer and people arestirring, but it was very
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impressive.
RR (02:54):
Did you hear anything that surprised you?
AG Rayfield (02:56):
The one thing that continued to crop up, and I
expected it, but I didn't expectthe person nature of how it was
impacting more than federalemployees was the NOAA layoffs
and the impact to the economyand how that trickles out, not
just in with the individualsthat have been laid off.
That was incredibly striking.
It's incredibly relevant tosome of the lawsuits that we
(03:18):
have filed, but it was good tohear and see the multitude of
issues.
RR (03:23):
Talk a little bit about the lawsuits that you filed against
the federal government, you anda number of other attorney
generals across the UnitedStates, correct?
AG Rayfield (03:31):
Yeah, in this role, one of the things that we
always talked about and runningfor this position was, as
Oregon's Attorney General, howdo you protect the values of
Oregonians?
How do you enforce the rule oflaw?
And that's become kind of a newthing.
And you have a president rightnow that is making decisions in
the dark.
They're making decisions thatare consistently being ruled
unconstitutional or against therule of law.
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And so we have been holding theTrump administration's feet to
the fire to make sure that theyare following the rules.
Now, you president, you get aton of powers.
when you're president, right?
The thing is, you still got tofollow the Constitution.
You still got to follow therules.
And that's what we're trying todo.
You can make some of thesedecisions, you just got to do
them in the right place.
And often, these decisionsshould be made in Congress, not,
you know, in a closed roomdoor.
RR (04:14):
You do have a Supreme Court, though, that upholds a lot of
what the president has to say.
AG Rayfield (04:19):
Well, I might disagree a little bit with that.
And so what I have found in alot of the lawsuits that we
have, right now, Oregon'sengaged in 29.
Most of these cases, we havegotten positive court ruling in
lower courts and even in theupper courts.
Now, in the Supreme Court,you've had some technical issues
in the way that there areprocedural issues, some of the
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technical things.
You think about how injunctionscan be implemented.
There have been no rulings onthe merits of these cases.
I would say that one of themost interesting cases that we
had was the tariff case, wherethe state of Oregon, actually,
we led that case.
We went back east to New York.
We had a Trump-appointed judge.
We had a Reagan-appointed judgeand a Democratic-appointed
judge.
And we won that panel three tozero in a very bipartisan
(05:05):
fashion saying, hey, if you wantto do tariffs, do them the
right way.
RR (05:09):
During the course of the discussions tonight, I heard you
say the current session, thejust completed, very difficult
session is how you described it.
AG Rayfield (05:18):
Yeah, in the years that I have been engaged in
politics and watching thedynamics of the current
legislative session, you havethe uncertainty of our economy,
right?
Right now, the 29 lawsuits thatwe're engaged in are protecting
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$3.3 billion of funding.
Now imagine that you're alegislator trying to craft a
budget for $3.3 billion offederal funding that's tied up,
potentially, in lawsuits.
So it's a very tenuous anddifficult place to be if you're
a legislator right now.
RR (06:09):
What is the most intense subject matter that you've got
to deal with right nowstatewide?
AG Rayfield (06:15):
You know, what I will tell you is that the issues
that you face at the Departmentof Justice are personal in very
significant ways.
And whether you're dealing withdrug trafficking in a criminal
context, whether you areadvising agencies on critical,
important issues that are goingto impact people on the ground
in very significant ways,whether you are defending cases
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for the state or proactivelypursuing cases in a way that you
see justice for consumers, allof those things are incredibly
impactful.
It's an incredibly meaningfulrole.
And I couldn't tell you that Icouldn't be more proud to like
serve on behalf of allOregonians in this role.
RR (06:55):
A lot of talk tonight about ICE and the immigrant issue.
Would you talk a little bitabout that, the state's
position?
AG Rayfield (07:04):
Yeah, and often when people are talking about
ICE and trying to understandthat, they're thinking about our
sanctuary status laws here inthis state.
And you'll hear other stateshave passed these laws as well.
And the idea behind sanctuarystatus laws are that we use
state resources for statepurposes.
And you think about your localtax dollars, right?
You want your local policeofficers enforcing your traffic
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laws, your burglary, your murderlaws, right?
You don't want them to bepulled away from those critical
things to then be compelled tobe working on immigration
issues.
And that's kind of this publicsafety focus on our sanctuary
state laws.
And that's where you're gettingthis rub right now, where the
federal government doesn't likethese laws.
However, we have a constitutionthat says, and it's very
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important, that the federalgovernment cannot come into any
state and accommodate ourresources for their aims.
Just imagine what that would dofor public safety, where they
would come in and yank ouralready thin resources in public
safety to other opportunities.
It's also incredibly importantfrom just a public safety
perspective.
If you have a community that isfearful of going into the
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courtroom to testify even as awitness, and this goes on in,
say, a domestic violence case oranother case, you are actually
prohibiting all our ability toprosecute crimes here in this
state.
And so that's the interestingpolicy rub that you're seeing
play out right now.
RR (08:21):
As Attorney General, one
AG Rayfield (08:23):
message you want to leave with Lincoln County?
One thing that I would say isthat I have absolutely enjoyed
being here and learning fromfolks that have come out.
And I think that's the mostimportant thing is that we are a
small enough state that ourgovernment is accessible to us.
And a lot of people, I don'tthink, realize that.
You can take your staterepresentative or your state
senator out to coffee and theywill go out to coffee with you.
(08:45):
And it's the same thing here atthe Department of Justice.
I've built a career on tryingto be accessible, listening and
learning and knowing that Idon't know everything, but
really focusing on what we wantour state to look like.
But that requires everybody'sengagement.
And I know we're all busy,right?
I'll get home and, you know, mywife and I'll be struggling to
figure out what we're going tocook for dinner for our son,
right, who's 13 and incrediblypicky.
(09:06):
You know, and we're trying tobreak him of that, but it's a
challenge.
But, you know, I know we'rebusy, but the more that we can
engage together and talk aboutwhat we need as community The
better the state will be.
The better the country will be.
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RR (10:18):
Welcome back to the Double R Show.
With us is Senator DickAnderson.
And this current week, we hadthe opportunity to have the
Attorney General in LincolnCity.
You were on the platform withhim.
How did you receive
Sen Anderson (10:32):
the crowd?
You know, thank you, Roger, forfirst having me once again.
It's nice to be a repeater.
Invited back, as they say.
You know, the forum I thoughtwas very exciting.
I was pleasantly pleased withthe crowd, both in size and
demeanor.
I thought it was veryreflective of the people I know
(10:55):
in Lincoln City and generallyhow they act and mix in a little
politics.
I was a little nervous, butpleasantly surprised at how well
it went.
RR (11:07):
Okay, the session, the legislative session is over.
There may well be an interimsession again.
The anything on
Sen Anderson (11:18):
those lines?
Have not, other than what'sbeen in the press.
I was actually recently on avirtual meeting, also kind of
getting some updates, and therewas no mention of specific
times.
Generally, July is not a goodtime to have a special session.
Legislators are tired, cranky,and lobbyists and everybody
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else.
So it's just worthwhile to getthem out of town, take a
vacation.
I still expect September.
When we have legislative days,legislators are coming in
anyway, easy to grab them, getyour quorum, be available.
If that's the case, then thatgives August as a month that
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needs to have some committeework done.
Unless you're gonna just try topass the bill that failed with
no modifications, you need a newcommittee, you need some
action.
and proposal of a new bill.
That would take the month ofAugust, and that would take
different people than have beenon to date on this Committee of
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Transportation.
RR (12:26):
With the legislative session just passed, your take, good,
bad, indifferent?
Sen Anderson (12:31):
I would say, again, good.
I always struggle with 160days.
That's a long time.
In this case, it was 158.
It's very tiring, and thatproved to be the case.
I think for myself, verybipartisan session for me.
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I work well across the aislewith Democrats and Republicans.
I got my own bills movedthrough very well.
I was pleased with what poppedout at the other end, and the
governor is signing So for me,it was a good session in that
regard.
And I think for the people ofOregon.
not bad.
(13:12):
There were somedisappointments.
RR (13:14):
And I was going to ask you,
Sen Anderson (13:16):
what disappointed you if there is?
I think the biggest one, Roger,was the transportation bill,
the lack of a transportationbill.
We knew it last summer.
We knew it was needed.
Did a road show around thestate gathering information.
We then had 158 days to Pass abill.
(13:36):
And for it not to be able to bepushed forward and shaped so
that it would be passed was areal disappointment.
What lacked?
You know, it's easy to point,you know, Monday morning
quarterbacking.
I would say a lack ofleadership, lack of who was the
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leader of this organization.
I think I can't help but layblame on the governor and the
leaders of the two chambers.
They got the power.
They got the direction.
And then the committee itself,working through with enough
options and listening to bothsides.
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It's hard work to negotiate, toput a bill together, especially
with taxes.
We knew there were going to beincreased taxes, and that's a
tough point.
So that was for me the biggestdisappointment.
I got involved late in thegame, actually the last week,
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because I'm, I guess, what theywould call a moderate
Republican.
They were looking for a vote.
I had a lot of people in myoffice, Republicans, where we
were talking about would we casta vote for this bill.
We had the other side talkingwith us, chairs and everything
(15:01):
else, wanting to trade favorsfor a vote.
At the end of the day, weweren't interested because the
bill wasn't a good bill.
It would not have accomplishedanything.
And that's the trouble.
RR (15:16):
When you look at your district, anything specifically
that you can hang your hat onthat says Senator Dick Anderson
brought this back to thedistrict?
Sen Anderson (15:26):
Oh, yeah.
I'll do the political stuff andbe putting out all sorts of
newsletters and stuff.
But, you know, Roger, I alwayschuckle because...
Typically, politicians talkabout the pork they brought
back, meaning money, to thedistrict.
I do both policy and pork, soto speak.
(15:48):
But to name a few things inLincoln County, I've got a nice
list of stuff here.
One, there's a new Office ofForestry building being built in
Newport.
It, funny, funny, has overrunits budget.
budget, needed like another sixmillion, and that got funded.
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The dollars went to the PacificCoast Salmon Fund, dollars went
to the Collins Creek LandAcquisition Project, City of
Newport wastewater plantimprovements got millions,
millions for additionalaffordable housing projects, and
primarily some senior housing.
And then I was like summerschool Myles Tolan was pleased
(16:37):
to see some summer school moneycome into play.
So those are just a few of thethings in Lincoln County that
got touched.
A lot more when I go south,$100 million to Coos Bay, Port
of Coos Bay, for dredging to tiein with the container operation
that they're working.
(16:58):
So there's...
There's money around.
Money got put forth.
I feel privileged to have beenable to grab what I did.
And sorry about those whodidn't get any.
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RR (18:12):
State Representative David Gomberg joins us now.
Again, the legislative sessionis complete.
Your assessment, David?
Rep Gomberg (18:19):
Oh, my goodness, Roger.
A difficult session, a verydifficult session.
And if anybody were to ask mewhy, I would say, well, first of
all, we came back with a verydisappointing revenue forecast,
which is to say we had lessmoney to spend.
RR (18:34):
Surprisingly so.
Rep Gomberg (18:35):
Yeah.
And in Oregon, of course, wehave to pass a balanced budget,
so we can't spend more than webring in.
So learning in more March andthen May, how much money we had
meant that we had to step backand start reducing state
budgets.
That's hard work.
The second thing is uncertaintyfrom the federal government.
That was looming over us allthe way through, and it meant
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that we need to put money inreserves in case, I say in case,
the federal government decidesto cut Medicaid,
RR (19:03):
or
Rep Gomberg (19:04):
food programs, or tuition support, a lot of
different kinds of things thatare critically important to
Oregonians and the Oregoneconomy.
And the third thing was theongoing challenge of the
partisan divide.
And while the session wasfairly civil, at the end of the
day, we still had a divide thatwas deeper and wider than I've
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seen it in many, many years.
And that underscored a lot ofthe efforts that went underway
during the course of the sessionas well.
RR (19:31):
Is that because of transportation primarily, or
were there other items in
Rep Gomberg (19:36):
there?
Well, there were plenty ofissues on the table where
disagreements filtered to thesurface.
But at the end of the day, itwas the challenge that the
majority party has theresponsibility to govern.
The minority party has theresponsibility to try and become
the majority party.
And so that was part of it.
And that's always part of it.
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But there was also afundamental attitudinal
distinction in values.
And we had some members, notall members, but a few members
on the far left and on the farright that really colored the
tenor of the session and broughta lot of these frictions to the
surface.
And that's disappointing.
RR (20:15):
Now, you spent a lot of time in the big chair, if you will,
as running the legislativesession.
Rep Gomberg (20:22):
Well, if only there were a chair up there, Roger.
RR (20:24):
Well, you stood most of the time.
You
Rep Gomberg (20:26):
stood at the podium, sometimes for five or
six hours at a go.
Yes.
Why is that?
Well, I was elected by thebody, not just by the Democrats,
but by the entire body to bethe Speaker pro tempore.
That's technically the numbertwo position in the House.
And the main job of the Speakerpro tem is to stand in for the
Speaker whenever needed.
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And the Speaker, for a varietyof reasons, chose to spend less
time at the podium, which meantthat I spent more time up there.
Now, that's interesting becauseyou're running the meeting.
You've got to pay attention toevery word.
You've got to be prepared.
You've got to pay attentionevery moment.
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And over the course of fivehours, that can start to wear
you down.
That's difficult.
I was glad to be there.
(21:36):
I was proud of the work that Idid.
I was certainly proud to beselected by my colleagues to do
that important job.
But I also, it wore on me fromtime to time.
RR (21:46):
Switching gears just momentarily, you were directly
responsible for the AttorneyGeneral being in Lincoln City.
That is something...
Pretty foreign to Lincoln Cityand the Oregon coast, having a
statewide person like that herein town.
Rep Gomberg (22:01):
Well, you know, I mentioned at the beginning of
the meeting that the last timewe had an attorney general here
was fairly normal times.
And that they came and theytalked about public safety.
They talked about consumerprotection.
They mostly talked about a lotof internet scams that were
going on.
And there were maybe a dozen or15 people in the room.
Well, this week we had 150people in the room and standing
(22:24):
room only in the back.
and mostly concerns about theuncertainties of the federal
government, which I kind ofreferenced a few minutes ago.
So you were there.
You heard people standing upand saying, I've worked for the
federal government for 15 years,but I'd just been promoted, and
now I'm on probation, and theyfired me without warning, and
they claimed it was for cause,so I can't get unemployment.
(22:45):
I've heard that story over andover and over again.
We certainly know that losingthose jobs here in Lincoln
County has an effect on ourlocal economy because we've got
that science hub at HatfieldCenter at NOAA.
and at PacWest just south ofNewport.
So an effect on our economy,effect on our environment as we
lose that focus on oceanscience.
But it goes much deeper thanthat because it's grants for
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water and sewer programs orhousing programs that have been
withdrawn and canceled.
It's support for health care.
The Medicaid cuts could affecta third of the kids in Oregon
that are on the Oregon HealthPlan or seniors that are looking
for health care support.
And lack of thosereimbursements is going to
affect the sustainability of ourlocal hospitals.
It can't pay the bills withoutthose federal dollars coming in.
(23:28):
It affects food programs thatare available or financial aid
for our students.
I mean, the list goes on and onand on of different kinds of
things that we heard at thatmeeting were concerns.
And why did it come up at thismeeting?
Because our congresspeople goback to Washington, D.C., and
they vote one way or the other,but at the end of the day,
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Congress is not driving this busright now.
So they can't do very much.
The Oregon legislature can't dovery much.
But we are a nation of laws.
And so it's our attorneygeneral who brings these
lawsuits to protect Oregon jobsand Oregon people and Oregon
values.
And as you heard, he's broughtnearly 30 lawsuits against the
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federal government where theattorney general believes that
the law is not being followedand these programs are being
improperly eliminated.
RR (24:16):
Before we let you get away from here, give me the
legislative session rating forOregon.
this current session, A, B, C,D, E, F?
Where are you
Rep Gomberg (24:27):
at?
It was the most disappointingsession I've ever served in.
And I've served in sessionswhere half the members walked
out.
But this one just, there weretoo many big issues that didn't
get to the finish line.
I mean, yes, we took care ofour schools, but not well
enough.
We sort of took care ofwildfires by finding some new
funding sources, but not enoughmoney there.
We didn't take care of roads atall.
(24:49):
And that's going to come backto roost when we don't have fog
lines in the fog.
We don't have ice and snowremoval in the winter.
We don't have potholes beingfilled or accidents being
responded to.
That's going to be veryserious.
And a lot of coastal issues,particularly response to the
wildfire survivors in NorthLincoln County who are still
waiting, waiting, waiting forhelp that we weren't able to
(25:12):
provide support for.
So a lot of disappointments inthis session.
Some things to be proud of,some things to be pleased with,
but at the end of the day, bigthings that should have ended
differently and better.
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RR (25:39):
It's been fun having the opportunity to talk with Senator
Anderson, RepresentativeGomberg, and Attorney General
Dan Rayfield, having them allhere to give their take on what
happened in Salem.
Son Paul (25:53):
And then also just, you know, the federal impacts of
new administration and some ofthe lawsuits, frankly, that the
Attorney General has filed onbehalf of Oregonians.
RR (26:03):
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Now, other activities in andaround the Lincoln City
Community Kids Art Workshop atthe Lincoln City Cultural
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This is Thursdays 3 to 6.
Drop-in charge is only $5.
10 passes for just $40.
Lincoln City Caregiver SupportGroup sponsored by Alzheimer's
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a first and third Thursdays ofeach month, 10 to 1130 at the
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All veterans are invited to afree homemade soup and sandwich
luncheon sponsored by theLincoln City Elks Lodge, 1350
Southeast Orr Avenue.
This is twice a month, thesecond and fourth Wednesdays,
noon until two.
And the Nature Conservancy isseeking volunteers.
Want to talk about that, Paul?
Son Paul (27:06):
Yeah, so, you know, the Nature Conservancy is often
looking for these docents up onCascade Head.
And so throughout the May,September And the
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first Christmas in July Turkey Drive is going to be
taking place on Friday, July 25.
This is sponsored by NorthLincoln Fire Department, the
Eagles, and Les Schwab TireCenter here in Lincoln City.
Selling turkeys.
Son Paul (27:44):
Turkeys, yeah.
Yeah, Turkey's in July for,well, you know, they're going to
let them fatten up still, butfor the fall, yeah.
RR (27:52):
Stop into Les Schwab and Dr.
Tiffany.
That's where the tickets willbe sold.
Anything else on your side ofthe table?
Son Paul (27:57):
Yeah, well, so just this Saturday, the Cascade Head
Biosphere Collaborative isputting on another Biosphere
Beach Ambassador.
That's on July 12th, 9 a.m., sojoin Josh down there where you
do not drive on the beach.
I like to get that out thereeach time.
Do not.
We do not, but the tide pool'sdown there, and he's going to be
doing some interpretive workdown there.
Then also coming at the end ofthe month, I want to talk a
(28:19):
little bit about this one.
This one is Art on the Beach.
You know, the big graphics thatwe've done.
Right, right.
But it's coupled with the sandart competition that we've also
been doing the last couple ofyears.
And so for 20 bucks, you get a20 by 20 square.
You know, anybody's welcome tocome have a team.
Great prizes.
The big grand prize is providedby Chinook Winds.
It's about a $500 packageovernight stay, two show
(28:42):
tickets, Rogue River kind of.
Thank you, Chinook Winds.
Yeah, Yeah, thanks for them.
And then there's a $200 cashprize and a $100 cash prize.
So just to play in the sand,you can win.
Whereabouts
RR (28:52):
on the beach?
Son Paul (28:52):
Yeah, thank you.
Roads End State Park.
It'll be the place.
And so that'll be on the 26thstarting at 8 a.m.
And we'll have judging takingplace at about 10 a.m.
So get your sticks and startdrawing on the sand.
RR (29:05):
It'll be fun.
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