Woven in the Fabric

Episode Highlights: 

On this week's episode we step inside the Lincoln City Cultural Center, where the Fiber Arts Studio Gallery has been transformed with a special exhibit and marketplace called Woven Legacies. Join Double R and his guest Krista Eddy, as they explore hand-knotted Turkish rugs, intricate kilims, shimmering jewelry, and centuries-old designs—all for a cause close to home. 

Also woven into this week’s episode are spotlights of a local photographer, turned instructor, and an author writing a trilogy on none other than Walt Whitman. Don’t miss it.

• Krista Eddy, curator, Lincoln City Cultural Center
• Bob Gibson, The Photography Studio
• Mitchell S. Gould, Author

WOVEN LEGACIES:  Special exhibit and sale runs through January 4, 2026, with proceeds supporting both the Cultural Center and the ongoing care of beloved local ESOL teacher Julie Reynolds-Otrugman, who with her late husband Sener, owned the Kelp Bed in the OceanLake District of Lincoln City.  

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Episode Transcript

Jana (00:00):
Welcome to the Double R Show, the podcast that features
everything about North LincolnCounty.
The Double R Show directed andproduced by Paul Robertson and
hosted by the voice of LincolnCity, Roger Robertson.

RR (00:30):
Thank you, John.
Welcome to the Double R Show,the podcast that features you
and things about us.

Paul (00:37):
Right.
Yeah.
It's all about North LincolnCounty and just happy to have
all these new guests on eachweek.
And so if people out there arelistening and have some ideas,
be sure to let us know.

RR (00:48):
And we have three brand new guests today.
We're going to really weavesomething together.

Paul (00:53):
Yes, indeed.
Yeah.
Well, one we've had before.
Krista's been on before.
Or she has.
Yeah, for some other stuff.
But right now, yeah, we'regoing to be talking about
weaving legacies, really, right,that they're doing there at the
Cultural Center.
We've got a gentleman coming onto talk about a book project
that he's doing, and we've got alocal photographer.

RR (01:12):
Yes.
And we'll leave it at that.
And with somethingextraordinary that he's doing.
Right, indeed.
That's all coming up rightafter this.

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(02:22):
and you have now, without adoubt, one of the finest
displays of Turkish Rugs thiscountry has ever seen.

Krista-Eddy (02:29):
Wow, that's hyper.
Praise, Roger.
Thank you.
We have an exhibit, and it iscalled Woven Legacies, and it is
full of Turkish-Persian rugsand textiles from that area and
region.
And this exhibit's going to beup through January 4th, and it
is actually a fundraiser for theCultural Center, but also for

(02:51):
the family that this displaycame from.

RR (02:54):
Sener Otrugman is the one that is most responsible for
buying these items and bringingthem here
his wife Julie Orugman is theone that is giving it all to the
Cultural Center, correct?

Krista-Eddy (03:07):
Well, sort of.
So the history of this exhibitis all of these rugs were in
their little store, the kelpbed.
And this is a family that'sbeen in Lincoln City forever,
and the kelp bed was open fordecades, a beautiful little shop
where they sold the rugs thatthey imported themselves from
Turkey, mostly.
And, of course, scenariospassed, and Julie recently has

(03:29):
developed memory issues and thefamily needed to figure out what
to do with the shop.
And so the cultural center andthe family are working together
and all of the items are here inthe exhibit and 50% goes to
Julie's care and the other 50%go to the cultural center.
It

RR (03:49):
is a marvelous display here in the cultural center that
people need to come see andappreciate.

Krista-Eddy (03:56):
Definitely.
Well, I mean, this is arts andculture together at its finest.
They're beautiful.
They're handmade.
They're colorful.
The rich colors and patternsare everywhere in this room.
The different shapes aresymbolic of different regions or
maybe different tribes.
They're all handmade.
I've seen pictures of the loomsand they're these giant things

(04:17):
that stand upright with stringscoming down.
And they're not made by weavinglike we do here with our looms
that we have.
They're made by making tinyknots.
And so there is a tiny knotmade on each of those strings of
the loom to make the patterns.
And so we're talking hundredsof thousands or millions of
knots in each rug.
And all of the material is woolor silk and hand dyed with

(04:43):
natural materials like walnuthusks for brown and oak for
black.
I've actually learned a lotbecause I didn't know anything
about rugs before, but I havegrown to appreciate them
greatly.
They are beautiful works of artthat go back thousands of years
in their history.
It's an ancient art form, andthey're warm and cozy and

(05:04):
utilitarian.

RR (05:05):
I feel a little strange with my feet on one

Krista-Eddy (05:08):
of them.
Well, I mean, that's whatthey're for.
Yes.
We have over 160 rugs in thisroom, so I've stashed them in
any way, shape, or form I can.

RR (05:18):
But you also have some other items other than just the rugs.

Krista-Eddy (05:21):
That's

RR (05:22):
right.

Krista-Eddy (05:22):
Okay, so the history goes back even further.
Julie Otrugman's mom, AliceMerritt, had an antique shop
that was in the building wherethe kelp bed was founded.
And so she, all of her antiqueskind of accumulated into the
kelp bed merchandise anddisplay.
And so a lot of the antiques,some of them are from Turkey,

(05:46):
but others are left over orcollected by Julie's mom.

RR (05:49):
It is really an unusual way to help a family and also to
help out the cultural center.

Krista-Eddy (05:56):
Yeah, I mean, this was Nikki Price, 100% 100%.
She dove in and helped and theyfigured out how to do this.
And then she just gave it to meand said, here, put this up and
make it look good.

RR (06:10):
And that you have accomplished.

Krista-Eddy (06:12):
Thank you very much.
Yes, I'm very pleased with theway it's come out.
And it is fun to come in andlook through the rugs.
I mean, we have piles of them.
We have them hanging on thewall.
You can take them out and putthem on the ground and test them
out.
I have to say, Patrick and Igot a small rug from our house
and never have we have we donethis sort of investment and

(06:34):
there was one that the colorswere really calling to me and I
looked at it on the wall for avery long time months even and
then decided that I would takeit home and it pulled our entire
little house together all thefurniture on this side and the
art on this side and the thepillows on this side all those
colors were in the pattern andit just pulled everything

(06:55):
together and we love it so mucheven the cats the cats really
love it too

RR (06:59):
I really wish you would show some enthusiasm for this
display of artistry at itsfinest.

Krista-Eddy (07:06):
It is.
It is.
It's beautiful.
Well, yeah, and we want toshare this with people.
So come in and see it.

RR (07:13):
No, it's at the Lincoln City Cultural Center.
And again, it's going to be uphow long?

Krista-Eddy (07:17):
It's going to be up until January 4th.
So you've got three months tocome in and see the exhibit.

RR (07:23):
And if you buy a piece, so much the better.

Krista-Eddy (07:25):
Yes.
Take one home.
We're calling this the WovenLegacy because Julian Center
really left a legacy in ourcommunity.
They did so much.
They lived here.
They taught.
And they left a mark.
And so these rugs are part oftheir legacy.

RR (07:43):
All the way back to high school.

Krista-Eddy (07:45):
Right, the high school.
Yeah, and also they wereinvolved in the 4Cs, which was
the beginning organization ofthe cultural center.
Without that, we wouldn't havea cultural center.
So they left a big mark on ourcommunity.
I

RR (07:57):
just love the displays that you have.
And there are how many rugs didyou say?

Krista-Eddy (08:03):
Over 160 in this room, and we still have a few in
the closet that we haven'tbrought out yet.

RR (08:08):
Any other surprises forthcoming?
Or if another family has acollection and would like to do
something similar to this, areyou still open to that?

Krista-Eddy (08:20):
It's not our standard procedure, but we would
be open to any ideas, ofcourse.
And one of the great thingsabout this exhibit is
Traditionally, this is a cultureand an art form that we have
not displayed and notrepresented.
And so being from Turkey, fromthe Middle East, this is a whole

(08:40):
different art and culture thathasn't been seen here, which I'm
really proud of to have thisdiversity and a different take
on a different culture.

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RR (09:39):
The man behind the camera is now becoming the man behind the
microphone.
Well, this is Bob Gibson Bob,you're doing what?

Bob-Gibson (09:47):
Well, I'm just kind of climbing into a new part of
the studio and a new service.
I've done a lot of training,photography training and classes
and that sort of thing.
And now with folks going onlineand with that capability, it
gives me a chance to work withpeople that aren't in the area.
They can't come into the studiofor photography lessons and I

(10:10):
can do it online and help themout wherever they are.

RR (10:14):
So how does someone to get Bob Gibson as their photographer
instructor?

Bob-Gibson (10:19):
On my website, thephotographystudio.net, and it
lists kind of the services, andthen they get in touch with me,
and pretty much they don't signup online.
They give me a call and arrangethings.

RR (10:33):
Tell us about the program.
What kind of things are youteaching them to do?

Bob-Gibson (10:38):
Well, I can go all the way from beginners to
advanced photographers, talkabout the the technical side of
the camera, how to use thecamera when they get it.
Let's say at Christmas time,they get a camera as a present
and they have no idea how to useit, what the buttons are for
and how the settings.
And so we start from scratch orsomebody that's experienced and

(11:00):
they want some informationabout shooting events or doing
portraiture, lighting and thatsort of thing.
We can go over the full range.

RR (11:12):
Now, a lot of people are using their phones as the their
source of photography.
Tell me, what should I look forif I'm looking for a new phone?

Bob-Gibson (11:22):
Well, the new phones, for sure, are wonderful
cameras.
And the digital photographsthat we get with the phones now
are fantastic.
And the cameras are moresophisticated than the first
digital cameras that I purchasedback in the early 2000s and

(11:44):
spent several thousand on.
So it really is quite good.
And it's changed my end of itbecause people are taking their
own pictures.
They're doing a lot of theirown photography.
And so it's changed thedynamics for sure.
And so that's the other thingthat I can work with people on
is how to get the bestphotographs out of their phone.

RR (12:05):
It is amazing to me that all of a sudden film is no longer
something of use, is it?

Bob-Gibson (12:10):
Oh, absolutely.
Well, most photography now isdone digitally.
I still have my film kit, forsure, and the film cameras, and
yeah, it's still there, and somepeople are traditionalists, and
they're still using film.
The digital world, though, isso good now that to say that the

(12:32):
film is higher quality or thatyou lose something with the
digital, gosh, the digitalphotographs are really quite
good.

RR (12:41):
Now, you just finished a lot of photography for the Cascade,
and it Music Festival, SlensBay Music Festival.
Tell me about that.

Bob-Gibson (12:49):
Well, I started with the photography for the
festival back in 2010 when itwas still SoundWaves.
And I started, actually,honestly, I started because I
heard that there was going to bea cellist playing at the
festival that was going to beusing a cello, an instrument
that was made in 1728.

(13:10):
And that's the reason that Iwas interested.
I had not done concertphotography, musician
photography before that, but Iwas interested in photographing
that cello.
And so I signed on to be theirphotographer, and it was an
absolute blast.
Working with the musicians andhaving the access and being able

(13:30):
to photograph the rehearsals,performances and all, it was
wonderful.
To get into the story a littlebit, the musician arrived, he
took out his cello, put it on atable, and I photographed it and
all of that thinking, wow, thisis, you know, 1728, this is
remarkable.
And then found out about threedays later that the cello that

(13:53):
he actually brought was made in1997 down in California.
And so, anyway, I've got a fullportfolio of a really fairly
new cello out of the deal.
But the good news is that thatwas the beginning, and I
photographed the festival everyyear since 2010 as it made the

(14:14):
transition to Does Bob Gibsonhave a

RR (14:25):
particular favorite thing to photograph?

Bob-Gibson (14:29):
That changes.
That really changes from timeto time.
20 or 30 years ago, I wouldhave said underwater photography
was what I was reallyinterested in.
That kind of changed, andactually it changed when digital
photography came around.
And then my interest shiftedover to people.
And I still, that's really myfocus is portraiture and

(14:53):
photographing people.
And even more recently thanthat, the musicians and the
performance photography has kindof taken, is a real interest.
I still do landscapephotography, seascape
photography, and that sort ofthing.
But I got to say that it'spretty exciting to be in a
performance or a concert and beable to get the photo.

(15:15):
photographs of the musicians.

RR (15:17):
If somebody wants to set up an appointment with Bob Gibson
and get some photography donebecause they're going to have an
engagement photo or whatever,they do what?

Bob-Gibson (15:25):
They can call here at the studio, 541-994-3405, or
get on my website.
It's thephotographystudio.net.

RR (15:36):
You enjoy it, don't you?

Bob-Gibson (15:37):
It's fantastic.
It's, of course, a secondcareer.
Public administration was myfirst career, Public
Administration and HumanResources, and I started this in
2005, and it's been great.

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Not just an aspiring author, but an author, a published
author.
With us right now is MitchGould.
Welcome.
Well, thank you.
Nice to be here.
You started out writingmaterials on computers, correct?

Mitchell-Gould (17:08):
Yeah, technical writing for some big companies
in Atlanta.
NCR, you would have I've heardof them, AT&T.

RR (17:16):
Sure, sure.

Mitchell-Gould (17:17):
And so on like that.

RR (17:18):
But since that time, you have really changed horses, if
you will.

Mitchell-Gould (17:23):
Yes.
But, you know, the truth is Iwas already, by that time,
deeply interested in Victorianantebellum or Civil War history.
And I just kept with thatthroughout the years.
And my interest in Whitman,Walt Whitman, started in 1990.
And I've been researching himvery...

RR (17:42):
What brought that about?

Mitchell-Gould (17:44):
Well, it was kind of a spiritual opening, if
you will.
My partner in Atlanta died, andI went into kind of a mystical
state that lasted for two years.
And when I came out of it, Iknew that I had this mission to
crack a central mystery inWhitman's life that all the
establishment had never beenable to crack.

RR (18:08):
And what is that mystery?

Mitchell-Gould (18:09):
Well, I was the one that gave it its name.
I called it Walt Whitman'sQuaker Paradox.
And here is the paradox.
On the one hand, the Quakers ofthe Civil War era were very
much like the Amish are today.
They had very strictprohibitions against music,
dancing, theater, art on thewalls, colorful clothing, and so

(18:32):
on.
I mean, just really, they had areputation for extreme
strictness.
That's them on one hand.
On the other hand, there's WaltWhitman.
And he was the 19thcentury's...
even today maybe greatestexponent eloquent exponent for
the fundamental right to makeyour own sexual choices so the

(18:54):
question is that couldn't becracked until I came along was
how was it possible that Whitmanwas so closely and deeply
intermeshed with the Quakers andI have a podcast of my own
right now that explores myresearch into that

RR (19:13):
the research done back east, obviously?

Mitchell-Gould (19:17):
Continually, since I left, starting in
Atlanta, into Forest Groveyears, into Portland years, and
now here in Lincoln City.

RR (19:27):
What has been your most profound discovery on Walt
Whitman that you've unearthed,if you will?

Mitchell-Gould (19:34):
Well, I think probably the basis of my trilogy
now, my three books, my threenovels.
Three novels?
Three novels.
Okay.
And the reason there's three isbecause I've developed this
fundamental model of WaltWhitman as the product of the
rise of the New York seaportduring the Civil War era, or

(19:58):
actually before.
So I like to say that I canshow you that Walt Whitman was
the spokesbard for the sailors,lovers, and Quakers who made New
York our greatest seaport.
Interesting.
Yeah.
It's fun, too.
It's a very exciting story.
Where do I find this?

(20:27):
endorsement of what I'm doing.
And now it's time to make therevisions and find an agent.

(20:50):
And then maybe next year, thebook will be out, hopefully.

RR (20:55):
Will the book be in print?
Are you going to beself-publishing or what are you
going to

Mitchell-Gould (21:00):
be doing?
Well, I hope to find an agentbecause that's usually necessary
to find a publisher.
And then, you know, a seriouspublisher will put it out in
print.
It would also become availableelectronically because they do
that.
If I don't find an agent, if Idon't find a publisher, then
I'll do what Walt Whitman did.
I'll publish the damn thingmyself.

RR (21:22):
If you have to, you have to.

Mitchell-Gould (21:23):
Exactly.
Well, if it was good enough forhim, it's good enough for me.
I

RR (21:29):
would have to think so.
Walt Whitman, I always think ofjust plain poetry.
That's not the case.

Mitchell-Gould (21:37):
Well, you're right, but you're very wrong.
Okay.
What you have on your side isthat you're in agreement with
all the establishment of Whitmanscholars.
So you're in good company.
I'll take it.
You're in good company.
But really, I know from myresearch and all these years
I've thought about it, Whitmanwas a freedom fighter first and

(21:58):
only a poet second.
Poetry was his medium, but hisagenda was freedom.

RR (22:03):
Did he use poetry to enforce his

Mitchell-Gould (22:09):
freedom?
Yeah, to broadcast, of course,his famous book, his famous
book, Leaves of Grass.
And And there isn't anything inthe history of all world
literature like it.
It is truly amazing.

RR (22:20):
And again, the trilogy is not published yet.

Mitchell-Gould (22:24):
Not yet.
No, it's undergoing revisionsnow.
And then when that's done, itwill go to an agent and then
hopefully to a publisher.
And if not, that's time for meto bite the bullet and

RR (22:38):
do

Mitchell-Gould (22:38):
it.

RR (22:38):
Is that tough to accept somebody else making revisions
in your life's work?

Mitchell-Gould (22:44):
Well, no, actually, because I went to him
knowing that, you know, reallyevery author needs an editor to
help smooth over the rough edgesin every book.
So I was eager for that.
And like I said, he was sorespectful of my work, it didn't
hurt.

RR (23:03):
If somebody wants to sit down and have a frank discussion
with you about your works andabout Walt Whitman, where do we
reach you?

Mitchell-Gould (23:10):
Well, you can find me through Facebook, Mitch
Goulder.
Mitchell Santine Gould atFacebook.
And frankly, I'm looking forbeta readers, people who would
like to read the novel right nowbefore it goes out into the
world.
That's common practice.
So I'd welcome people who wantme to send them the book

(23:31):
electronically.

RR (23:32):
So again, for potential revisions?

Mitchell-Gould (23:36):
Yeah, sure.
I mean, yeah, sure.
If I get feedback from thereaders, from the general
readers, that's great stuff.
Sure.
All

RR (23:45):
right, Mitch Kuhl, thank you for being

Mitchell-Gould (23:46):
here.
It's a mostly interestingtopic.
Thank you, Roger and Paul.
I appreciate it.

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RR (24:38):
Well, I've enjoyed today's program, being able to talk with
Bob Gibson and the things thathe's doing, Krista Wood, what
she's got at the Cultural Centernow, and then books.
Yeah, Mitchell Gould, yeah,with the

Paul (24:52):
Walt Whitman story

RR (24:54):
that he's working on.
Yeah, some wonderful stuff.
And again, next week we'll havean opportunity to talk to Dr.
Majalise Tolan, and I thinkwe've got a couple of other
special guests.
Charlotte Latho will be on aswell, correct?
Right, yeah, indeed.
That's all coming up next weekon the Double R Show.
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(25:39):
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We'll have an opportunity totalk about that next week as
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We got the Angel Ball coming upDecember the 6th.
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Well, we're offering pontoonboat rides again on, again,
Saturday, October 11th between 2and 4 p.m.
Was that pretty successful?
It was, yeah.
We had three and a half toursthat we did.

(26:55):
Oh, my.
We did an extra one at the endthere.
And then we had printing thatpeople did, and there were some
food and opportunities for gamesand lots of stuff, too, that
people participated in.

RR (27:07):
So if you've got an activity, an event, something
that you want us to talk about,we need to know about it.

Paul (27:14):
Yeah, yeah.
So just email us at roger atdoublershow.com, and we'll look
through and see what gets you onthe air.

RR (27:21):
Yeah, we would love to have one of your flyers, one of your
posters, your information.
You can email that to us aswell, or you can just stick it
to mail.
Okay.
Take the old route, too.
Take the old route.
We got snail mail and regularmail.
That's right.
Email.
Okay.
Anything else you decided atthe table?
We are clear from here.
So that will do to the doingson the Double R Show.

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