May 7, 2025 • 44 mins
10 Days to Jumpstart Your Downsizing Journey
Feeling overwhelmed about where to start with downsizing? You’re not alone—and the good news is, you don’t have to do it all at once. In this episode, we walk you through a simple, 10-day plan to help you build real momentum without burnout.
Each day focuses on one small task that’s totally doable—and surprisingly effective. From clearing flat surfaces to facing stuck categories and making that first donation drop, this episode gives you the encouragement and strategy you need to finally get going.
You’ll learn:
✔️ How to identify your “why” and use it to stay motivated
✔️ The five-bin system to organize your stuff and your thoughts
✔️ Ways to involve others without feeling overwhelmed
✔️ How to celebrate progress and keep your momentum going
🎯 This episode is perfect for anyone who feels stuck, scattered, or unsure where to begin.
📝 Get the free printable checklist: email heather@theroskogroup.com or contact us through our website: www.downsizingroadmap.com
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Jodi Rosko (00:01):
Welcome back to another episode of the
Downsizing Roadmap podcast withyour hosts, Jodi Rosko and
Heather Fisher.
We're talking about all thingsdownsizing from our own
experiences with clients toguest experts.
Let's make downsizing easierone conversation at a time.
Hey everybody, welcome back toDownsizing Roadmap Podcast.
We're so excited to be with youtoday.
(00:22):
I'm Jodi Rosko.
I'm Heather Fisher.
And today we're going to talkabout 10 days to jumpstart your
downsizing journey.
Heather Fisher (00:29):
Yeah, I think this will be just a quick short
path if you're knowing you needto get started to just, it's not
going to get everything done,but give a little taste of a few
things to do each day to getthe ball rolling.
Jodi Rosko (00:42):
Yeah, just kind of get yourself moving towards that
process and kind of maybe startto get some habits formed,
Heather Fisher (00:51):
right?
Yeah, and very specific, here'swhat to do.
So I think sometimes that's thestopping point for people.
Like, I hear you, and yes,but...
Jodi Rosko (01:00):
Like, I'm totally overwhelmed, and I need a plan,
and so here's a 10-day plan tojust do a little bit every day,
In different areas.
Heather Fisher (01:09):
Step-by-step instructions on a few things
that will really help you getstarted.
So we can dive in and goday-by-day and get through 10
days.
Jodi Rosko (01:19):
Build the momentum.
Heather Fisher (01:20):
Build some momentum.
Doesn't have to be perfect.
Save this episode and listeneach day.
Do it over and over again.
Well, yeah, and listen each dayand get all 10 days done.
So we'll go through it all, andthen hopefully tomorrow we have
lots of people starting dayone.
Get some motivation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think motivation is theperfect word to start.
(01:40):
Let's look at day one, and it'swhat we always say to start
with.
Start with your big why andyour motivation and what you are
looking for.
So day one, title of the day,get clear on your why.
Yeah,
Jodi Rosko (01:59):
I think that a lot of times...
When people start thinkingabout downsizing, it's because
something in their life isn'tworking.
And they might not even reallybe able to put their finger on
it, or they might know exactlywhat the problem is, right?
It might be, oh, this justfeels like it's overwhelming and
too much, or it might be like,hey, I can't get up those stairs
anymore.
So sometimes it's very clearwhat that is, and sometimes it's
(02:23):
really not clear what that is.
But no matter what, I think weneed to really look towards the
future and see what that canlook like and get excited about
the future.
Um, because I think that's astep people miss a lot about
what their mindset is.
And it really, really, reallyhelps you when you are, you
know, sorting through all yourstuff and you're like, why am I
(02:44):
doing this?
Heather Fisher (02:45):
Yeah.
And I think if, even if thatwhy is a little further down the
road, when you have that plan,you know, what you're doing it
for, and it's okay if it's notthe right now, but you're going
to be enjoying the space you'rein if you do some of this stuff.
(03:06):
For sure.
Jodi Rosko (03:08):
Yeah, you can, right.
You might already beoverwhelmed by the stuff that's
around you and how heavy thatfeels, and even if you just
lighten that load and then youknow where you're going next.
Absolutely.
You don't have to actually doit all, but...
What is that going to looklike?
Is that being closer to yourfamily?
Is that not mowing the lawn?
(03:29):
Not taking care of the bighouse?
Is it travel?
What is it that is going to besuper exciting for you to
motivate you through this next10 days and then beyond to
really when you get where youwant to go?
Heather Fisher (03:44):
Yeah, and I think we're talking about get
out a piece of paper and apencil.
I mean, day one activity...
write physically write a listwhat would you be looking for in
your next place if it's notwhere you are now is it just a
ranch home is it no stairs is ityou know you need people
(04:09):
meaning staff of various yeah doyou need extra help abilities
for that extra help what socialthings would you love to have
what location and I mean I thinkit's when The same thing when
someone's looking for their nexthome at any level, don't talk
yourself out of the things thatyou want at this point.
(04:31):
Right now, we're being dreamy.
So make that list as long as itis.
And then as you're going downand finding that next place, you
might have to weed down andwhat are the top ones versus
the, oh, that would be nice.
You might not find every singlething, but I think our buyers
(04:52):
in real estate are oftensurprised as to how many boxes
that they can check off whenthey put it on paper and start
looking specifically for that.
Jodi Rosko (05:03):
Right, right.
Yep.
So write down the reasons,write down the reasons why
you're doing it, and then alittle bit more about where you
want to be.
Heather Fisher (05:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that that is a greatway to do it.
And, you know, don't just thinkit in your head, write it on
paper, get specific.
Get dreamy and
Jodi Rosko (05:25):
have a list.
And then use it as you're goingalong.
Go back and look that.
Post that up and be like.
Put it on your fridge.
Put it.
This is emotionally why I'mgoing to do this.
Heather Fisher (05:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So that's a pretty easy.
You know, relaxing way to spendyour afternoon on day one.
We haven't even put anybody tohard work yet.
Right, just writing.
Jodi Rosko (05:46):
Yeah.
Thinking.
The thinking is, you know,maybe a little bit hard to get
yourself in a different mindset,that thinking.
But that, yeah, we're notlifting anything heavy today.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe emotions.
Heather Fisher (05:59):
Yeah.
Heavy emotions.
Yeah.
Well, that's always part of theprocess, but we'll get you
through it and start day one,this 10 days to get
jump-started.
Just start with dreaming andgetting clear on what it is, why
you're thinking aboutdownsizing, and what that
perfect next step would looklike so that you can move
(06:21):
towards it.
Jodi Rosko (06:22):
Okay, so day two.
We've realized why we're doingit and what we're going to be
gaining, what all the pros are.
Day two, choose one zone, justone small area that's not hard,
not emotional.
Don't pick pictures.
Choose something easy.
Junk drawer.
Heather Fisher (06:40):
Yeah, and zone could sound like a big word, but
we're talking one drawer, onesmall closet, one...
desktop one thing and don't letyourself wander to the big list
Jodi Rosko (06:55):
pick the one that's been bugging you right is it is
it that you can't get yourclothes in your closet is it
that that junk drawer doesn'topen hardly anymore because
you've crammed so many couponsin there like what's happening
yeah that's really irritatingyou and this really is more
about getting your momentumstarted so don't put put on this
you know okay now I'm going toclean out my whole house for
(07:16):
eight hours because that willstall you.
So do something that's littlethat you can accomplish and you
can feel really good about theend of day two and feel like,
ah, okay.
Heather Fisher (07:27):
Yeah.
And I love how you said, pick,pick what's bugging you the
most.
So get that momentum by doingsomething that will change your
day in a small way.
I think for me, I, you know,it's time to, to revisit my
bathroom, um, you know, vanitydrawers, little disorganized,
little extras that I couldDefinitely clean out.
But every day I'm in there toget ready for the day.
(07:51):
And you're digging through
Jodi Rosko (07:52):
the stuff that you used to use, but now you didn't
like that.
So now you're going to use thenew stuff, but then you didn't
throw away the old stuff.
Heather Fisher (07:57):
Right, right.
So we're talking pickingsomething that...
is something you come acrossevery day, has gotten a little
out of control, and just showyourself how easy it is to do
one space at a time.
And like Jodi said, don'tpick...
heirlooms and photos andpaperwork.
(08:19):
Probably don't even pick thedesk if that's where your
paperwork is.
That's a little tougher.
Pick something super simple.
Other ideas of those simpleplaces, Jodi?
Jodi Rosko (08:29):
I think you could pick an area of the garage.
Maybe it's hard to open yourcar door out into some, if
you've got a lot of stuff packedin the garage.
Not the whole garage, just asmall section.
You could pick the coat closet.
Some area where you eitherEither you use it every day,
like you said, and it's annoyingyou, or you don't ever use it,
(08:53):
so it's easy to let go of someof those things.
Heather Fisher (08:56):
Yeah, yeah.
And also, as we said, if thatgoes really well and it just
takes a short amount of time inyour day...
Stop.
Don't barrel forward and belike, that was easy, I'll do
three more.
Because
Jodi Rosko (09:13):
when you stop the first time, you've got that
momentum and you're excited andyou're like, oh my gosh, I have
that accomplishment.
I finished it.
But if you keep going, thenyou'll be exhausted by it after
that day and you won't have asmuch momentum.
Heather Fisher (09:29):
Yeah, so learn that confidence in yourself that
you can do a little bit eachday without getting burnout and
just starting to build thathabit.
We've talked about that onother episodes, that 10-minute
challenge to do 10 minutes everyday or to do a quick 100 and
those different challenges.
(09:49):
That's what this is, somethingsmall and manageable and
checking that box and thenmoving on with your day.
Jodi Rosko (09:57):
Because you want it to be like, oh my gosh, that was
so easy.
I could do that every day andthat wouldn't be a big deal.
Yes.
Heather Fisher (10:04):
Yep.
Jodi Rosko (10:04):
So
Heather Fisher (10:04):
that's it.
So days one and two done andnot even tired yet.
Jodi Rosko (10:12):
Okay.
So day three is to create yoursorting system.
So you're going to set up somebasic downsizing zones where
you're going to have things thatyou keep, things that you
donate, things that are trash,things that you might want to
sell, and then maybe a maybebox, right?
An unsure thing.
And the unsure thing is really,I think a lot of the problem is
(10:37):
that we delay our decisions andwe don't We procrastinate
deciding what to do with things.
And so don't make everything inthe unshirt box.
Really try to be brutallyhonest with yourself about what
you're using and what you're notusing.
We've talked a lot about the80-20 rule and that we really
only use 20% of the things inour house.
And so you should be able tolet go of things in an area
(11:00):
where you're working that youaren't actually using.
So be honest about them.
And So create those zones.
Keep, donate, trash, sell, andthen a maybe box.
And so what goes into eachpile?
Heather Fisher (11:16):
Yeah, so, I mean, keep...
My suggestions would be, youknow, if it's a keep, then by
the end of that...
project room drawer whateverthat's what's back in there and
so that is a pile while you'resorting but by the end of the
day when you're finishing upthat is back in your home it's
(11:37):
there for use and you're youknow you're done with that area
and then the donate pile if atall possible if your space
allows if you have a room thatcan be a room or a spot where
the donate box can live and themaybe box can live while you're
doing this.
(11:57):
By the end of the day, youdon't want to have every room
end up with piles in the corner.
Then you'll be frustrated andit will be harder to go back and
address them.
So move stuff straight to themaybe box little area and we'll
(12:18):
talk about that a little furtheryou know a bit later on what
how to get through and makethose decisions on that and that
donate box keep it close whileyou're going through something
and then you know move it closerto the car move it closer to
you know the garage if if you'rehaving a pickup done but move
(12:38):
it out of the spaces so that asyou accomplish each task or each
area you're getting them backto being your living spaces with
less and not living among allfour of these piles.
Trash if you know make it apile or a bin while you're
(12:58):
working and then get that out toyour trash receptacle and get
that out each week when thetrash pickup is.
Don't keep it piled in cornersas, oh, well, I'm not done with
the whole house yet.
Because once you
Jodi Rosko (13:12):
clear the space, it just starts to feel so much
better and it feels like youhave accomplished something.
So if all you've done is madepiles and then you don't do
anything with the piles, that'sa problem because now you feel
like it's almost messier than itwas before you started.
Heather Fisher (13:27):
Yeah.
And then you're like, do I moveon to something else?
Do I have to clean up thismess?
And you start shoving thethings that you've already
sorted away.
back into, oh, someone's comingfor dinner.
I've got to shove all this backin a closet and all of that.
So try to work in a way whereyou're moving those piles
(13:47):
appropriately either back intothe house for the keep or into
donator trash and out of thehouse as you can get them to
where they need to go and notletting that maybe pile grow too
big.
I think there's ways with thatmaybe pile you can define it's
(14:09):
going to be I'm not going to letmyself have more than this one
large box or I'm not going tolet myself have more than these
two shelves in the garagewhatever that looks like if
you're putting some parametersyou find yourself wanting to put
something else in that maybepile and it's already full What
are you going to make a decisionon?
(14:31):
So there's
Jodi Rosko (14:32):
a couple of things about what we were talking about
before.
If it's the 10 minute, youknow, or just a quick one thing,
one area, one small area.
Decision fatigue is a realthing.
And so if you find yourselfputting everything in the maybe
box or not being able to makedecisions about it, then it's
time to stop for the day.
So that's number one.
But the maybe box, really whatit should be, is things that you
(14:54):
are pretty sure you don't wantanymore, but you still have in
your little nagging part of yourmind going, what if I need
this?
What if I'm going to use this?
What if I whatever?
And so the idea of the MaybeBox is that you've pretty much
already made the decisions aboutit.
So if you don't need somethingfrom that box after six months,
(15:15):
you can donate it withoutlooking again.
Because the idea is you'vereally already made the
decisions.
You see Seal up the maybe boxand put it wherever the
donations are and mark the datesix months from now.
And it's time for it to justdonate then.
You don't need to open it upand look at it again because
then you're, you know,re-deciding.
(15:35):
So you don't need to re-decide.
You only need to open the maybebox if in that six months you
know specifically something thatis in that maybe box that
you're like, oh my gosh, I needthat thing.
Heather Fisher (15:47):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (15:48):
And you can go get it.
But it's like a holding placefor you.
But what you'll realize is mostof the time you won't even
remember it's in that box.
Heather Fisher (15:56):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (15:56):
You just won't remember.
Heather Fisher (15:57):
Yeah.
And don't force yourself tomake all those decisions again
by opening it.
Right.
Yeah.
That's just.
Jodi Rosko (16:05):
The idea is you've pretty much made the decision.
90%, you just are a littleworried about it.
Heather Fisher (16:11):
Yeah, push yourself over that cliff.
Jodi Rosko (16:13):
So you're going to label those boxes, clear bags,
you know, to avoid the confusionand whatever goes to donate,
whatever's trash, we're going tojust handle it.
So that's day three.
Heather Fisher (16:22):
Yeah, you're really just setting up a zone
that you're ready to dive in.
And I mean, it's like when yougo to paint a room, painting...
the room itself doesn't takethat long.
But you wake up, I'm going topaint this room today on the
weekend.
And then you're like, oh, Ihave to go to the store and buy
the brushes.
And I have to tape it all off.
(16:43):
And I have to pick out thepaint color.
And it's two or three hoursbefore you're actually painting.
So that's what day three is.
You're just getting set.
You have trash bags.
You have boxes.
You have them labeled.
You've decided where thosezones are.
And you don't have to doanything that day except set up.
Jodi Rosko (17:05):
Get yourself ready.
Heather Fisher (17:06):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (17:07):
Okay, day four, tackle sentimental.
Choose a category with low...
Emotional weight.
So sentimental light.
So not tackle, sentimental,tackle.
Heather Fisher (17:16):
This is like a little dipping your toes in the
water day.
Jodi Rosko (17:20):
Okay.
Heather Fisher (17:20):
So we're going to just pick something that is
bordering on sentimental, butit's not your hardest.
Sentimental light.
Yeah.
Got it.
We got to dive
Jodi Rosko (17:30):
in a little bit.
So maybe holiday decorations.
Heather Fisher (17:34):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Jodi Rosko (17:36):
Or, you know.
I
Heather Fisher (17:38):
think holiday decorations are a great thing to
go through.
Mm-hmm.
and you unpack, you're notgoing to remember if you gave
(18:02):
stuff away and you're notfeeling that, oh, I could just,
you know, nudge this little lastsnowman, you know, out and tuck
it here or tuck it there.
I think that you maybe have adifferent mindset when it's not
the season of whatever you'regoing through for holiday.
I
Jodi Rosko (18:21):
agree.
So it's just kind of has adifferent look and you kind of
bring it out and you're like,oh, I don't know about that.
Yeah.
Or another good time is if itis after the season right and so
you have your bins or boxes orwhatever of your holiday stuff
and you realize there's stuff inthere that you haven't put out
in a couple years it just leavesit's the bottom of the bin
stuff that just never ends upcoming out that stuff needs to
(18:46):
go
Heather Fisher (18:46):
yeah absolutely and especially if your space is
changing yeah you're just notgoing to put you won't have the
space to
Jodi Rosko (18:55):
put right exactly yeah so yeah so choose something
You're just going to practiceletting go of something that has
a little bit higher stakeswithout having it be...
the highest stake
Heather Fisher (19:08):
ones.
Yeah, just getting our feet wetand practicing, making some
decisions.
There is a difference.
It is harder on the things thatdefine those sentimental items
like holiday decorations orwhatever.
Those come with the feelings ofthose things that you celebrate
with your family or friends oryourself.
(19:29):
They are harder than your junkdrawer and your kitchen, but
don't tackle the hardest.
This is just day four And wejust want to tackle one thing.
And again, don't bite off morethan you can chew for one day.
If you have 10 bins ofChristmas decor, you know, let's
(19:50):
set a goal.
You know, I'll do two binstoday and then you're done.
Define it before you getstarted so that you can be done,
whether that's a time limitor...
a certain number of boxes, acertain area, always make sure
you're defining for yourselfwhen you can be done for the day
(20:10):
before you get started and justget fed up.
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (20:15):
Okay.
So sentimental light, we'regoing to tackle something that
is a little bit sentimental, butnot something that's going to
just totally bog you down.
Heather Fisher (20:23):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (20:24):
Day five, do a home walkthrough.
So with a pen and a notebook,walk through your house like
you're a buyer or a stager andsay, you know, would I move
this?
Is this room look toocluttered?
You know, real estate agentscan always come and do this
walkthrough with you too.
They're excellent at, you know,if you're, you know, thinking
you're going to sell it, youknow, somewhere down the road,
(20:46):
they're excellent at helpingyou, you know, tell you if
there's too much stuff in theroom.
But think model home, right?
When you're looking through.
So if you're looking at it withfresh eyes and going oh if I
was buying this house like whatwould that feel like to me and
it might feel like oh goshthat's crowded I need to get rid
of some of this furniture knowthat you can always call for a
(21:09):
donation you don't have to bedone when you when you're going
to donate things so if you'refeeling like oh my gosh we just
have If I could just get some ofthis stuff out of the way, it
would be easier to work on theother stuff.
And you know you're not goingto keep it.
Call and get a donation pickupfor just that certain amount of
stuff and just kind of get thatout of your way so that you can
(21:29):
start to breathe in your space.
Yeah,
Heather Fisher (21:32):
I think that that walkthrough is going to be
writing that list for– you knowafter this 10 days we're giving
some little tasks and samples onthings you can do each day to
get in those habits but thatlist you you make is really
going to help as you need to gothrough your whole house if
(21:54):
you're again on paper and youknow paper and pencil make it so
much easier to let it out ofyour brain and know you have it
and you're just kind of definingthe projects that you need to
tackle on future days or piecesof those projects and instead of
that vague, I need to downsizemy whole house.
Jodi Rosko (22:15):
Right.
Or I need to fix certain thingsor whatever.
Yeah.
Um, you know, yeah.
Make notes of areas that youare going to, as you do, as you
create that habit of cleaningout, like you can say, Oh, let's
make a little list of theseareas and then you can check
them off day by day in your 10minute of cleaning.
Heather Fisher (22:31):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (22:32):
The other thing is we just live with stuff.
Um, that we wouldn't you knowwhen you go to sell your house
you wouldn't let that be rightso for example Mark had to
change the shower head out onour old house on the shower and
so he did that and then he hadto patch the drywall a little
bit and sand it so it was leftwith this white sanded around
(22:54):
our darker walls in the bathroomfor seven years y'all seven
years because I just didn't looklike look at it anymore like it
I don't I didn't see it likewhen you are living up in a
house you just are like ah i'llget to that or oh that's fine or
oh whatever but if you arewalking through with fresh eyes
you're like oh yeah that totallyneeds to be painted
Heather Fisher (23:15):
yeah or
Jodi Rosko (23:15):
that needs to happen and and then the part that's
going to really irritate you isthat it will take you know 15 or
20 or 30 minutes to do you knowone of those jobs that has been
that like that for seven yearsand you've just lived with it
and you didn't even know howirritating it was to you all
those little things until youget them done and then you're
like,
Heather Fisher (23:36):
why did I not just do that?
To not have a big white patchof drywall.
And I mean, Oh, my gosh.
I had that in my old house, anarea.
And, you know, when did I getit fixed and painted?
Like right before I sold.
So I didn't enjoy it for 10years.
I had that.
It irritated you.
Yes.
So not only is it, you know,establishing your project list,
(24:01):
but it is making that list of,you know, a whole list that you
might need just a handyman forthat can tackle that.
And having it all on one list,honestly, will make it easier to
find someone to come out and doall of it at once and more cost
effective if you've got these10 little things that all need
(24:22):
handled and you know you can getthat person to come out and do
all of it and not be paying atrip charge and this and
piecemealing it yeah you're justkind of doing that and you know
if a move is on the horizon youknow on on day five that is a
great time to have us out And dothat walkthrough with you.
Jodi Rosko (24:46):
Because we can also talk about what might need to be
addressed and what might notneed to be addressed.
Don't start making big changesto the house without talking to
somebody about if you're movingsoon, whether you're going to
get your return on investment oryou even need to do that.
Heather Fisher (25:01):
Yeah, or that resource of who to call.
We have that for you.
Right, for sure.
So day five, again, you'rereally just walking through and
really looking at your house.
I think all of us live in ourhouses every day, but it's a
long time before you really walkthrough and think.
(25:21):
That
Jodi Rosko (25:22):
blind's
Heather Fisher (25:22):
broken.
You know, whatever.
The littlest silly things.
So, okay.
So that's day five.
Day six, we're going to focuson the flat surfaces.
So that would be.
kitchen countertops, bathroomcountertops, desks, coffee
tables, side tables,nightstands, all of those flat
(25:45):
surfaces that it differs fordifferent people.
If yours are already 99% clearof things, then take the day
off.
But most of us live in acombination of Too much
knickknacks and decor that couldbe streamlined and downsized.
(26:05):
And also just the piles.
Jodi Rosko (26:09):
Yeah, paperwork often gets so out of hand for
this, especially kitchencountertops and your kitchen
table, you know.
yeah, we've seen lots of, ofhouses where you barely, you
can't, you have to move thingsinto the kitchen table to even,
you know, put your papers downto talk to somebody or eat.
(26:29):
They're just kind of Mark'sparents were like that.
It was just like, you kind ofhad to shove a little area.
Um, and that stuff justaccumulates and we get that.
And there's other podcasts youneed to listen to about paper
and how to handle it.
So we can not have that allover, um, your, your surfaces.
But yeah, a lot of it, I thinkwhat happens is you even with
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knickknacks and shelves and allof that stuff is you just,
again, you add and add and addand you just never really take
away.
So when you look at it with afresh eye, it looks crowded.
And when you, you know, firstput those shelves together they
didn't look crowded because youdidn't have as much stuff but
then you got some more thingsand you put them in there and
(27:11):
you put them in there and youput them in there and same with
nightstands stuff really canaccumulate on your nightstands
or your bathroom counters youknow maybe you have so much
stuff that you you knowmedicines and lotions and
whatever that you don't put itin underneath or put it away and
maybe if you cleaned out allthe ones underneath that you
(27:32):
don't use, then you could putthe ones that you do use away.
Heather Fisher (27:36):
Yeah.
It's a whole different mentalstate going through your day in
the house if there's a lot moreclean surfaces.
It's just mentally.
We've talked about thatdistraction study.
Yeah.
life will feel easier andlighter and freer and you'll get
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more done on other things ifthose surfaces are not Well, and
think
Jodi Rosko (28:06):
about how much easier it is to wipe down the
counters or wipe down thebathroom sink or clean the
kitchen table if there's not allkinds of stuff on it that
you're trying to clean around ormove around
Heather Fisher (28:16):
and all of that.
Closets are full.
Everything behind closed doorsare still full.
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If you've made an impact onyour flat surfaces, it will feel
so great at the end of day sixto go through and have done a
sweep and reduced that back tothe 80-20 rule.
You could probably get rid of80% of what's there and not miss
it, not need it.
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Right.
So even if you got rid of
Jodi Rosko (28:58):
30 or 40 or 50% of it, it's going to be...
Heather Fisher (29:02):
Yes.
Great.
Yes.
It will also make, let's say,like the next steps of pulling
stuff out of a closet or acupboard or whatever.
If you're not pulling it into aroom that's cluttered, it
actually gives you that mentalspace to work.
to work and to sort somethingas you're going through it.
Jodi Rosko (29:23):
Right.
If you're cleaning out yourkitchen cabinets and what you
need to do one cabinet at a timeis take everything out and put
it on the counter and look at itand be like, oh, I haven't used
that in 10 years.
You know, if the counter isalready full of stuff, it's
really hard to do that.
Heather Fisher (29:38):
Yeah.
I think in general, We keep somuch on our kitchen counters
that we use infrequently.
If you take just a glancearound your kitchen, if you're
using something daily, thenmaybe that is the best place for
(29:59):
it.
But if it's an appliance thatyou're using once a month, once
every two weeks for somethingdaily, try your hardest to find
a cupboard to put that in orthink about do I really need it
at all and can I get rid of itbecause it's hard to cook if
there's just appliance afterappliance taking up that depth
(30:19):
on the counter yeah so okay flat
Jodi Rosko (30:22):
surfaces clean yes day six done day seven involve a
buddy So invite somebody tohelp you declutter or just talk
to you about the process.
It could be your kids.
It could be a friend.
It could be a downsizingperson.
It could be an
Heather Fisher (30:41):
organizer.
Jodi Rosko (30:42):
Yep.
Yep.
So third parties have differentlenses around what's going on.
And sometimes that can be veryhelpful sometimes.
Your kids, sometimes that canbe helpful and sometimes it
cannot.
It just depends on the kids andyour relationship with them.
So if your kids are going to besupportive and, you know,
(31:03):
that's good, then them.
If not, maybe you need a thirdparty friend or family.
organizer that can help youwith
Heather Fisher (31:10):
that.
Yeah.
I think we're on day seven now.
So if you have just been like,Oh, I am feeling so good.
This is awesome.
I'm ready.
What's next?
What's next?
What's next?
Then maybe that is justinviting a friend over to do it
with you or, you know, youradult kids and, and that's going
great.
If you are like, wow, it's dayseven and I'm struggling to do
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these things each day.
And I don't, I still don't havean idea where to start or I'm
struggling with the task, thenthat may be a big hint that a
professional is someone that canhelp you move along because you
know all of this once you'rethrough this 10-day jump start
it's repeating a lot of this soif it's a struggle there are
(31:58):
resources out there that aregreat and can give you that
perspective and that physicalhelp and you know talk through
some of the emotions around itas well
Jodi Rosko (32:07):
well and I think I mean everything everything in
our house has a story but notall the stories are important to
tell right yeah I mean if Ijust have you know shirts in my
closet that I need to get getrid of.
There's not a lot of thingsthat I need to tell somebody
about.
But if I'm dealing with thingsthat are a little bit more
sentimental or emotional, thensometimes I just need to tell
(32:29):
the story around that thing tosomeone who will listen to that
story.
And it's easier to let go ofthat thing once you've told the
story around it.
And so that's kind of part ofwhat involving somebody, a buddy
is.
They can help you get throughthe things that are a little bit
more emotional or that you justwant to share.
You know, you want to shareyour stories, photo If you're
(32:50):
doing photos, that's a greattime to have somebody else there
to talk about the people in thephotos and the experiences that
you were having and things likethat.
So some of this stuff, when yougo through it, will not be
emotional.
Some of this stuff will belike, I should have gotten rid
of this years ago and I stillfeel great about it.
And some of this stuff is goingto be like, oh, this is really
(33:11):
hard.
Yeah.
That's what the buddy person isthere for.
Heather Fisher (33:16):
Yeah, and sometimes it's just nice to help
the time pass.
Yeah.
And you're just getting, youknow, it might be the junk
drawer or the kitchen cabinetsor whatever.
I know you had a friend helpyou with your kitchen, and it
just goes quicker and easier.
You're chatting.
You're chatting.
You're not necessarily aboutthe stuff.
It's just an enjoyable way tospend time with people that you
(33:39):
care about.
Jodi Rosko (33:41):
Well, and if you get that person, have that person
be somebody who's like,honestly, you don't use that, do
you?
Don't have that person be likethe saver of everything.
Heather Fisher (33:51):
Oh, I'll take that.
If you don't want it anymore,then you're going to be at their
house next week doing the samething.
Yeah, so.
Jerry Seinfeld say, eBay, we'rejust mailing our trash back and
forth to each other don't dothat with your buddy you don't
press it back and forth
Jodi Rosko (34:07):
right right so you want somebody who's gonna help
you with the process andunderstand the process that
you're trying to to do
Heather Fisher (34:15):
yeah yeah okay so day seven I hope you all had
lots of fun with your friendover because we're diving into
day eight we're back to anotherharder a stuck category
Jodi Rosko (34:27):
yeah
Heather Fisher (34:28):
so we you know you'll notice in this little
jump start plan um which i thinkis a good strategy all the way
through When something getshard, bounce out to something
that's a little easier.
Take a day that's a little lessinvolved emotionally or
physically.
So we've done that a few times.
(34:51):
Now we're going to choose onecategory that we're stuck on.
It could be clothing.
It could be books.
It could be your familyheirlooms.
It could be boxes and boxesfrom somebody else's house that
or in your garage or your atticyour basement you know let's
(35:13):
talk a little bit about some ofthose tips for sorting through
those things quickly and makingdecisions
Jodi Rosko (35:21):
yeah so I think I think we we have had a lot of
people who have gotten thingsfrom their family and things
that they don't necessarily wanti'm not even sure their family
wanted them but then they hadthem and felt guilty and passed
them down because they couldn'tmake those decisions um and so
(35:43):
that's a place where you couldhandle a stuck category and just
honestly give yourself thepermission to not have to keep
it if you don't want it um soyou ask your family if they want
it if there's Ask, though.
Don't then just give it to themas the next hand down of guilt.
(36:03):
Because guilt's not a gift,right?
And then if not, if you love itand you are displaying it and
you are using it, great.
If it's in a box in thebasement or the attic and you
just have it because you haveit, it's time to let it go to
somebody else who wants it.
So if that's family, fantastic.
If that's not family, thengreat.
(36:24):
We have a lot of resources fordonation on our website at
downsizingroadmap.com.
Or if you're in a differentarea, you can find some really
great places to donate things.
Heather Fisher (36:38):
Yeah, where it can be impactful and meaningful
to the recipient.
So I guess
Jodi Rosko (36:43):
when we're doing that stuck stuff, it's just are
you going to use it?
Are you going to love it?
Those are the questions thatyou need to be asking yourself.
Are you displaying it, youknow?
Heather Fisher (36:53):
Yeah, and what's it keeping you from?
That's a great day to pull outthat dreamy list from day one
that is holding on to all ofthis, keeping me from the things
on this list.
Yeah, because it's not going tofit.
Yeah, you honestly can't getfrom here to there without going
through all of these.
(37:14):
And in what way could I take apiece of why this category is
important to me Yeah.
Yeah.
There are ways, just like howyou took just the salad plates
(37:46):
from your mom's extensive chinacollection.
I saw it all laid out at thehouse.
I mean, every serving bowl andplatter and teacup and saucer,
but you honor it so much byenjoying and loving the salad
plates from that collectionevery year and so much less to
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store.
Right, and it
Jodi Rosko (38:08):
still feels the same to me.
Heather Fisher (38:10):
Yeah, and it brings back all of the memories
of the Christmases where you hadthat full set at your mom's and
your grandma's house so lookfor ways to do that to move past
those categories and feel goodabout them not feel like oh
those ladies on the podcast toldme to throw away everything I
love right no
Jodi Rosko (38:30):
throw away all the things you don't love yeah keep
the things you
Heather Fisher (38:33):
do love keep what you love and honor them
yeah so that you're keeping thememories that you love and
enjoying them every day insteadof dusty boxes so yeah so that's
day eight And almost done.
We're getting to the end of 10days.
Day nine, this is an importantone.
So way back on, I think, daytwo, maybe, or day three, when
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we set up those zones, hopefullyyou've put things in the trash
box and the donation box and thekeep box should be put back
into the house every day and themaybe box.
But it's time to make adonation drop soon.
get it out of the house so ifyou haven't started yet and you
want to you know schedule thatnine days from now if you're
(39:20):
starting tomorrow you knowschedule that and and someone
can come pick it up if not youknow pack up that car and drive
it to wherever you're wanting todonate.
Like Jody said, we've got a lotof places that are great, but
get it out of the house.
Move it out of the space beforeit creeps back in, before it
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gets pushed further into acorner of the garage and
becomes...
more stuff that you have to gothrough again in a few years.
Jodi Rosko (39:49):
Yeah, you don't want it to be, you don't want it to
sit around long enough that youdon't remember what it is, and
then you have to go through itagain.
Like, it's like one and done.
You touched it, it's done,moving on.
So...
Back when I was having somegarage sales, because Mark
thought that was a great idea,and I actually don't love garage
sales, but when that washappening, he would make sure
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that we had boxes so thatwhatever didn't sell at the
garage sale was absolutely notcoming back in the house.
And so he would literally packit up as soon as the garage sale
was done and take it straightto Goodwill or whatever donation
place that you were looking at,and it would be out of the
house and never...
come back in the house becausethat's an easy thing to do to
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rethink it
Heather Fisher (40:33):
yeah
Jodi Rosko (40:33):
over and over
Heather Fisher (40:34):
yeah and I think that that that's a great spot
where people that want to helpyou through this process if if
that's hard for you physicallyif it's boxes if it's a lot if
you've done a great job andthere's lots to move out call in
those resources a friend aneighbor your adult kids and you
(40:54):
know say hey let's have somecoffee and can you help me get
all of this to the donationcenter and you know everybody
would be thrilled to help withthat you've already made the
decisions and you know there'shelp to do that and it's so
freeing once it's moved out ofthe house and it's done
Jodi Rosko (41:14):
yep for sure and then it gives you room to do
more work right so yeah make thedonation drop or call for call
for it and get a pickup and havethem pick up some you know
things and yeah clear it out alittle bit day 10
Heather Fisher (41:29):
Day 10 is a celebration.
Yeah.
So not a lot of work here.
Just reflecting on how it went,where your challenges were,
where you might need to pull insome outside help and where, you
know, you're confident tocontinue on that path and then
(41:49):
choosing your next plan, whetherthat's laying out your next 10
days, whether it's starting, youknow, back at day one and
picking, you other zones to gothrough, just laying out that
weekly habit, that daily habitof what are you going to tackle
in what order and thencelebrating that you accomplish
(42:10):
things.
There's less in your housebecause you've been to the
donation center, you know, acouple cupboards and doors or
drawers and, you know, a couplehard things.
categories are started or allthe way finished.
So that's awesome.
And decide how you're going tocelebrate yourself.
(42:31):
Yeah.
Whether that's flowers for yournice clear countertops.
Ice cream.
Some ice cream.
That would be my choice.
Coffee, you know, just a restday and, you know, sit with a
good book and look around yournice uncluttered space and
celebrate.
Jodi Rosko (42:49):
Love that.
Heather Fisher (42:49):
So that's it.
I think we've hit all 10 days.
Perfect.
And, you know, this is justdesigned to give you that
jumpstart.
If you don't know where tostart, this will get that ball
rolling and get the momentumstarted.
And then you just keep onkeeping on.
Jodi Rosko (43:06):
Yeah, nothing, no perfect way to do it.
Just start.
Yeah.
And, you know...
80% good enough is good enough.
Heather Fisher (43:15):
Like it doesn't
Jodi Rosko (43:15):
have to be perfect.
Heather Fisher (43:16):
Done, not perfect.
Right.
Exactly.
Done,
Jodi Rosko (43:19):
not perfect.
That's right.
Heather Fisher (43:20):
Yeah.
So awesome.
Well, if you guys havequestions, if you'd like this
list, you can always reach outto us on downsizingroadmap.com
and just send us an email andask for the copy of the 10 days
so you can work through ityourselves.
And we can't wait to hear howit goes for you.
Share your progress with us.
Yeah.
Okay.
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Until next time, let's keepsimplifying and moving forward.
Welcome back to another episode of the
Downsizing Roadmap podcast withyour hosts, Jodi Rosko and
Heather Fisher.
We're talking about all thingsdownsizing from our own
experiences with clients toguest experts.
Let's make downsizing easierone conversation at a time.
Hey everybody, welcome back toDownsizing Roadmap Podcast.
We're so excited to be with youtoday.
(00:22):
I'm Jodi Rosko.
I'm Heather Fisher.
And today we're going to talkabout 10 days to jumpstart your
downsizing journey.
Heather Fisher (00:29):
Yeah, I think this will be just a quick short
path if you're knowing you needto get started to just, it's not
going to get everything done,but give a little taste of a few
things to do each day to getthe ball rolling.
Jodi Rosko (00:42):
Yeah, just kind of get yourself moving towards that
process and kind of maybe startto get some habits formed,
Heather Fisher (00:51):
right?
Yeah, and very specific, here'swhat to do.
So I think sometimes that's thestopping point for people.
Like, I hear you, and yes,but...
Jodi Rosko (01:00):
Like, I'm totally overwhelmed, and I need a plan,
and so here's a 10-day plan tojust do a little bit every day,
In different areas.
Heather Fisher (01:09):
Step-by-step instructions on a few things
that will really help you getstarted.
So we can dive in and goday-by-day and get through 10
days.
Jodi Rosko (01:19):
Build the momentum.
Heather Fisher (01:20):
Build some momentum.
Doesn't have to be perfect.
Save this episode and listeneach day.
Do it over and over again.
Well, yeah, and listen each dayand get all 10 days done.
So we'll go through it all, andthen hopefully tomorrow we have
lots of people starting dayone.
Get some motivation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think motivation is theperfect word to start.
(01:40):
Let's look at day one, and it'swhat we always say to start
with.
Start with your big why andyour motivation and what you are
looking for.
So day one, title of the day,get clear on your why.
Yeah,
Jodi Rosko (01:59):
I think that a lot of times...
When people start thinkingabout downsizing, it's because
something in their life isn'tworking.
And they might not even reallybe able to put their finger on
it, or they might know exactlywhat the problem is, right?
It might be, oh, this justfeels like it's overwhelming and
too much, or it might be like,hey, I can't get up those stairs
anymore.
So sometimes it's very clearwhat that is, and sometimes it's
(02:23):
really not clear what that is.
But no matter what, I think weneed to really look towards the
future and see what that canlook like and get excited about
the future.
Um, because I think that's astep people miss a lot about
what their mindset is.
And it really, really, reallyhelps you when you are, you
know, sorting through all yourstuff and you're like, why am I
(02:44):
doing this?
Heather Fisher (02:45):
Yeah.
And I think if, even if thatwhy is a little further down the
road, when you have that plan,you know, what you're doing it
for, and it's okay if it's notthe right now, but you're going
to be enjoying the space you'rein if you do some of this stuff.
(03:06):
For sure.
Jodi Rosko (03:08):
Yeah, you can, right.
You might already beoverwhelmed by the stuff that's
around you and how heavy thatfeels, and even if you just
lighten that load and then youknow where you're going next.
Absolutely.
You don't have to actually doit all, but...
What is that going to looklike?
Is that being closer to yourfamily?
Is that not mowing the lawn?
(03:29):
Not taking care of the bighouse?
Is it travel?
What is it that is going to besuper exciting for you to
motivate you through this next10 days and then beyond to
really when you get where youwant to go?
Heather Fisher (03:44):
Yeah, and I think we're talking about get
out a piece of paper and apencil.
I mean, day one activity...
write physically write a listwhat would you be looking for in
your next place if it's notwhere you are now is it just a
ranch home is it no stairs is ityou know you need people
(04:09):
meaning staff of various yeah doyou need extra help abilities
for that extra help what socialthings would you love to have
what location and I mean I thinkit's when The same thing when
someone's looking for their nexthome at any level, don't talk
yourself out of the things thatyou want at this point.
(04:31):
Right now, we're being dreamy.
So make that list as long as itis.
And then as you're going downand finding that next place, you
might have to weed down andwhat are the top ones versus
the, oh, that would be nice.
You might not find every singlething, but I think our buyers
(04:52):
in real estate are oftensurprised as to how many boxes
that they can check off whenthey put it on paper and start
looking specifically for that.
Jodi Rosko (05:03):
Right, right.
Yep.
So write down the reasons,write down the reasons why
you're doing it, and then alittle bit more about where you
want to be.
Heather Fisher (05:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
I think that that is a greatway to do it.
And, you know, don't just thinkit in your head, write it on
paper, get specific.
Get dreamy and
Jodi Rosko (05:25):
have a list.
And then use it as you're goingalong.
Go back and look that.
Post that up and be like.
Put it on your fridge.
Put it.
This is emotionally why I'mgoing to do this.
Heather Fisher (05:34):
Yeah, absolutely.
So that's a pretty easy.
You know, relaxing way to spendyour afternoon on day one.
We haven't even put anybody tohard work yet.
Right, just writing.
Jodi Rosko (05:46):
Yeah.
Thinking.
The thinking is, you know,maybe a little bit hard to get
yourself in a different mindset,that thinking.
But that, yeah, we're notlifting anything heavy today.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe emotions.
Heather Fisher (05:59):
Yeah.
Heavy emotions.
Yeah.
Well, that's always part of theprocess, but we'll get you
through it and start day one,this 10 days to get
jump-started.
Just start with dreaming andgetting clear on what it is, why
you're thinking aboutdownsizing, and what that
perfect next step would looklike so that you can move
(06:21):
towards it.
Jodi Rosko (06:22):
Okay, so day two.
We've realized why we're doingit and what we're going to be
gaining, what all the pros are.
Day two, choose one zone, justone small area that's not hard,
not emotional.
Don't pick pictures.
Choose something easy.
Junk drawer.
Heather Fisher (06:40):
Yeah, and zone could sound like a big word, but
we're talking one drawer, onesmall closet, one...
desktop one thing and don't letyourself wander to the big list
Jodi Rosko (06:55):
pick the one that's been bugging you right is it is
it that you can't get yourclothes in your closet is it
that that junk drawer doesn'topen hardly anymore because
you've crammed so many couponsin there like what's happening
yeah that's really irritatingyou and this really is more
about getting your momentumstarted so don't put put on this
you know okay now I'm going toclean out my whole house for
(07:16):
eight hours because that willstall you.
So do something that's littlethat you can accomplish and you
can feel really good about theend of day two and feel like,
ah, okay.
Heather Fisher (07:27):
Yeah.
And I love how you said, pick,pick what's bugging you the
most.
So get that momentum by doingsomething that will change your
day in a small way.
I think for me, I, you know,it's time to, to revisit my
bathroom, um, you know, vanitydrawers, little disorganized,
little extras that I couldDefinitely clean out.
But every day I'm in there toget ready for the day.
(07:51):
And you're digging through
Jodi Rosko (07:52):
the stuff that you used to use, but now you didn't
like that.
So now you're going to use thenew stuff, but then you didn't
throw away the old stuff.
Heather Fisher (07:57):
Right, right.
So we're talking pickingsomething that...
is something you come acrossevery day, has gotten a little
out of control, and just showyourself how easy it is to do
one space at a time.
And like Jodi said, don'tpick...
heirlooms and photos andpaperwork.
(08:19):
Probably don't even pick thedesk if that's where your
paperwork is.
That's a little tougher.
Pick something super simple.
Other ideas of those simpleplaces, Jodi?
Jodi Rosko (08:29):
I think you could pick an area of the garage.
Maybe it's hard to open yourcar door out into some, if
you've got a lot of stuff packedin the garage.
Not the whole garage, just asmall section.
You could pick the coat closet.
Some area where you eitherEither you use it every day,
like you said, and it's annoyingyou, or you don't ever use it,
(08:53):
so it's easy to let go of someof those things.
Heather Fisher (08:56):
Yeah, yeah.
And also, as we said, if thatgoes really well and it just
takes a short amount of time inyour day...
Stop.
Don't barrel forward and belike, that was easy, I'll do
three more.
Because
Jodi Rosko (09:13):
when you stop the first time, you've got that
momentum and you're excited andyou're like, oh my gosh, I have
that accomplishment.
I finished it.
But if you keep going, thenyou'll be exhausted by it after
that day and you won't have asmuch momentum.
Heather Fisher (09:29):
Yeah, so learn that confidence in yourself that
you can do a little bit eachday without getting burnout and
just starting to build thathabit.
We've talked about that onother episodes, that 10-minute
challenge to do 10 minutes everyday or to do a quick 100 and
those different challenges.
(09:49):
That's what this is, somethingsmall and manageable and
checking that box and thenmoving on with your day.
Jodi Rosko (09:57):
Because you want it to be like, oh my gosh, that was
so easy.
I could do that every day andthat wouldn't be a big deal.
Yes.
Heather Fisher (10:04):
Yep.
Jodi Rosko (10:04):
So
Heather Fisher (10:04):
that's it.
So days one and two done andnot even tired yet.
Jodi Rosko (10:12):
Okay.
So day three is to create yoursorting system.
So you're going to set up somebasic downsizing zones where
you're going to have things thatyou keep, things that you
donate, things that are trash,things that you might want to
sell, and then maybe a maybebox, right?
An unsure thing.
And the unsure thing is really,I think a lot of the problem is
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that we delay our decisions andwe don't We procrastinate
deciding what to do with things.
And so don't make everything inthe unshirt box.
Really try to be brutallyhonest with yourself about what
you're using and what you're notusing.
We've talked a lot about the80-20 rule and that we really
only use 20% of the things inour house.
And so you should be able tolet go of things in an area
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where you're working that youaren't actually using.
So be honest about them.
And So create those zones.
Keep, donate, trash, sell, andthen a maybe box.
And so what goes into eachpile?
Heather Fisher (11:16):
Yeah, so, I mean, keep...
My suggestions would be, youknow, if it's a keep, then by
the end of that...
project room drawer whateverthat's what's back in there and
so that is a pile while you'resorting but by the end of the
day when you're finishing upthat is back in your home it's
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there for use and you're youknow you're done with that area
and then the donate pile if atall possible if your space
allows if you have a room thatcan be a room or a spot where
the donate box can live and themaybe box can live while you're
doing this.
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By the end of the day, youdon't want to have every room
end up with piles in the corner.
Then you'll be frustrated andit will be harder to go back and
address them.
So move stuff straight to themaybe box little area and we'll
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talk about that a little furtheryou know a bit later on what
how to get through and makethose decisions on that and that
donate box keep it close whileyou're going through something
and then you know move it closerto the car move it closer to
you know the garage if if you'rehaving a pickup done but move
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it out of the spaces so that asyou accomplish each task or each
area you're getting them backto being your living spaces with
less and not living among allfour of these piles.
Trash if you know make it apile or a bin while you're
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working and then get that out toyour trash receptacle and get
that out each week when thetrash pickup is.
Don't keep it piled in cornersas, oh, well, I'm not done with
the whole house yet.
Because once you
Jodi Rosko (13:12):
clear the space, it just starts to feel so much
better and it feels like youhave accomplished something.
So if all you've done is madepiles and then you don't do
anything with the piles, that'sa problem because now you feel
like it's almost messier than itwas before you started.
Heather Fisher (13:27):
Yeah.
And then you're like, do I moveon to something else?
Do I have to clean up thismess?
And you start shoving thethings that you've already
sorted away.
back into, oh, someone's comingfor dinner.
I've got to shove all this backin a closet and all of that.
So try to work in a way whereyou're moving those piles
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appropriately either back intothe house for the keep or into
donator trash and out of thehouse as you can get them to
where they need to go and notletting that maybe pile grow too
big.
I think there's ways with thatmaybe pile you can define it's
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going to be I'm not going to letmyself have more than this one
large box or I'm not going tolet myself have more than these
two shelves in the garagewhatever that looks like if
you're putting some parametersyou find yourself wanting to put
something else in that maybepile and it's already full What
are you going to make a decisionon?
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So there's
Jodi Rosko (14:32):
a couple of things about what we were talking about
before.
If it's the 10 minute, youknow, or just a quick one thing,
one area, one small area.
Decision fatigue is a realthing.
And so if you find yourselfputting everything in the maybe
box or not being able to makedecisions about it, then it's
time to stop for the day.
So that's number one.
But the maybe box, really whatit should be, is things that you
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are pretty sure you don't wantanymore, but you still have in
your little nagging part of yourmind going, what if I need
this?
What if I'm going to use this?
What if I whatever?
And so the idea of the MaybeBox is that you've pretty much
already made the decisions aboutit.
So if you don't need somethingfrom that box after six months,
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you can donate it withoutlooking again.
Because the idea is you'vereally already made the
decisions.
You see Seal up the maybe boxand put it wherever the
donations are and mark the datesix months from now.
And it's time for it to justdonate then.
You don't need to open it upand look at it again because
then you're, you know,re-deciding.
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So you don't need to re-decide.
You only need to open the maybebox if in that six months you
know specifically something thatis in that maybe box that
you're like, oh my gosh, I needthat thing.
Heather Fisher (15:47):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (15:48):
And you can go get it.
But it's like a holding placefor you.
But what you'll realize is mostof the time you won't even
remember it's in that box.
Heather Fisher (15:56):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (15:56):
You just won't remember.
Heather Fisher (15:57):
Yeah.
And don't force yourself tomake all those decisions again
by opening it.
Right.
Yeah.
That's just.
Jodi Rosko (16:05):
The idea is you've pretty much made the decision.
90%, you just are a littleworried about it.
Heather Fisher (16:11):
Yeah, push yourself over that cliff.
Jodi Rosko (16:13):
So you're going to label those boxes, clear bags,
you know, to avoid the confusionand whatever goes to donate,
whatever's trash, we're going tojust handle it.
So that's day three.
Heather Fisher (16:22):
Yeah, you're really just setting up a zone
that you're ready to dive in.
And I mean, it's like when yougo to paint a room, painting...
the room itself doesn't takethat long.
But you wake up, I'm going topaint this room today on the
weekend.
And then you're like, oh, Ihave to go to the store and buy
the brushes.
And I have to tape it all off.
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And I have to pick out thepaint color.
And it's two or three hoursbefore you're actually painting.
So that's what day three is.
You're just getting set.
You have trash bags.
You have boxes.
You have them labeled.
You've decided where thosezones are.
And you don't have to doanything that day except set up.
Jodi Rosko (17:05):
Get yourself ready.
Heather Fisher (17:06):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (17:07):
Okay, day four, tackle sentimental.
Choose a category with low...
Emotional weight.
So sentimental light.
So not tackle, sentimental,tackle.
Heather Fisher (17:16):
This is like a little dipping your toes in the
water day.
Jodi Rosko (17:20):
Okay.
Heather Fisher (17:20):
So we're going to just pick something that is
bordering on sentimental, butit's not your hardest.
Sentimental light.
Yeah.
Got it.
We got to dive
Jodi Rosko (17:30):
in a little bit.
So maybe holiday decorations.
Heather Fisher (17:34):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Jodi Rosko (17:36):
Or, you know.
I
Heather Fisher (17:38):
think holiday decorations are a great thing to
go through.
Mm-hmm.
and you unpack, you're notgoing to remember if you gave
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stuff away and you're notfeeling that, oh, I could just,
you know, nudge this little lastsnowman, you know, out and tuck
it here or tuck it there.
I think that you maybe have adifferent mindset when it's not
the season of whatever you'regoing through for holiday.
I
Jodi Rosko (18:21):
agree.
So it's just kind of has adifferent look and you kind of
bring it out and you're like,oh, I don't know about that.
Yeah.
Or another good time is if itis after the season right and so
you have your bins or boxes orwhatever of your holiday stuff
and you realize there's stuff inthere that you haven't put out
in a couple years it just leavesit's the bottom of the bin
stuff that just never ends upcoming out that stuff needs to
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go
Heather Fisher (18:46):
yeah absolutely and especially if your space is
changing yeah you're just notgoing to put you won't have the
space to
Jodi Rosko (18:55):
put right exactly yeah so yeah so choose something
You're just going to practiceletting go of something that has
a little bit higher stakeswithout having it be...
the highest stake
Heather Fisher (19:08):
ones.
Yeah, just getting our feet wetand practicing, making some
decisions.
There is a difference.
It is harder on the things thatdefine those sentimental items
like holiday decorations orwhatever.
Those come with the feelings ofthose things that you celebrate
with your family or friends oryourself.
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They are harder than your junkdrawer and your kitchen, but
don't tackle the hardest.
This is just day four And wejust want to tackle one thing.
And again, don't bite off morethan you can chew for one day.
If you have 10 bins ofChristmas decor, you know, let's
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set a goal.
You know, I'll do two binstoday and then you're done.
Define it before you getstarted so that you can be done,
whether that's a time limitor...
a certain number of boxes, acertain area, always make sure
you're defining for yourselfwhen you can be done for the day
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before you get started and justget fed up.
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (20:15):
Okay.
So sentimental light, we'regoing to tackle something that
is a little bit sentimental, butnot something that's going to
just totally bog you down.
Heather Fisher (20:23):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (20:24):
Day five, do a home walkthrough.
So with a pen and a notebook,walk through your house like
you're a buyer or a stager andsay, you know, would I move
this?
Is this room look toocluttered?
You know, real estate agentscan always come and do this
walkthrough with you too.
They're excellent at, you know,if you're, you know, thinking
you're going to sell it, youknow, somewhere down the road,
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they're excellent at helpingyou, you know, tell you if
there's too much stuff in theroom.
But think model home, right?
When you're looking through.
So if you're looking at it withfresh eyes and going oh if I
was buying this house like whatwould that feel like to me and
it might feel like oh goshthat's crowded I need to get rid
of some of this furniture knowthat you can always call for a
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donation you don't have to bedone when you when you're going
to donate things so if you'refeeling like oh my gosh we just
have If I could just get some ofthis stuff out of the way, it
would be easier to work on theother stuff.
And you know you're not goingto keep it.
Call and get a donation pickupfor just that certain amount of
stuff and just kind of get thatout of your way so that you can
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start to breathe in your space.
Yeah,
Heather Fisher (21:32):
I think that that walkthrough is going to be
writing that list for– you knowafter this 10 days we're giving
some little tasks and samples onthings you can do each day to
get in those habits but thatlist you you make is really
going to help as you need to gothrough your whole house if
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you're again on paper and youknow paper and pencil make it so
much easier to let it out ofyour brain and know you have it
and you're just kind of definingthe projects that you need to
tackle on future days or piecesof those projects and instead of
that vague, I need to downsizemy whole house.
Jodi Rosko (22:15):
Right.
Or I need to fix certain thingsor whatever.
Yeah.
Um, you know, yeah.
Make notes of areas that youare going to, as you do, as you
create that habit of cleaningout, like you can say, Oh, let's
make a little list of theseareas and then you can check
them off day by day in your 10minute of cleaning.
Heather Fisher (22:31):
Yeah.
Jodi Rosko (22:32):
The other thing is we just live with stuff.
Um, that we wouldn't you knowwhen you go to sell your house
you wouldn't let that be rightso for example Mark had to
change the shower head out onour old house on the shower and
so he did that and then he hadto patch the drywall a little
bit and sand it so it was leftwith this white sanded around
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our darker walls in the bathroomfor seven years y'all seven
years because I just didn't looklike look at it anymore like it
I don't I didn't see it likewhen you are living up in a
house you just are like ah i'llget to that or oh that's fine or
oh whatever but if you arewalking through with fresh eyes
you're like oh yeah that totallyneeds to be painted
Heather Fisher (23:15):
yeah or
Jodi Rosko (23:15):
that needs to happen and and then the part that's
going to really irritate you isthat it will take you know 15 or
20 or 30 minutes to do you knowone of those jobs that has been
that like that for seven yearsand you've just lived with it
and you didn't even know howirritating it was to you all
those little things until youget them done and then you're
like,
Heather Fisher (23:36):
why did I not just do that?
To not have a big white patchof drywall.
And I mean, Oh, my gosh.
I had that in my old house, anarea.
And, you know, when did I getit fixed and painted?
Like right before I sold.
So I didn't enjoy it for 10years.
I had that.
It irritated you.
Yes.
So not only is it, you know,establishing your project list,
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but it is making that list of,you know, a whole list that you
might need just a handyman forthat can tackle that.
And having it all on one list,honestly, will make it easier to
find someone to come out and doall of it at once and more cost
effective if you've got these10 little things that all need
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handled and you know you can getthat person to come out and do
all of it and not be paying atrip charge and this and
piecemealing it yeah you're justkind of doing that and you know
if a move is on the horizon youknow on on day five that is a
great time to have us out And dothat walkthrough with you.
Jodi Rosko (24:46):
Because we can also talk about what might need to be
addressed and what might notneed to be addressed.
Don't start making big changesto the house without talking to
somebody about if you're movingsoon, whether you're going to
get your return on investment oryou even need to do that.
Heather Fisher (25:01):
Yeah, or that resource of who to call.
We have that for you.
Right, for sure.
So day five, again, you'rereally just walking through and
really looking at your house.
I think all of us live in ourhouses every day, but it's a
long time before you really walkthrough and think.
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That
Jodi Rosko (25:22):
blind's
Heather Fisher (25:22):
broken.
You know, whatever.
The littlest silly things.
So, okay.
So that's day five.
Day six, we're going to focuson the flat surfaces.
So that would be.
kitchen countertops, bathroomcountertops, desks, coffee
tables, side tables,nightstands, all of those flat
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surfaces that it differs fordifferent people.
If yours are already 99% clearof things, then take the day
off.
But most of us live in acombination of Too much
knickknacks and decor that couldbe streamlined and downsized.
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And also just the piles.
Jodi Rosko (26:09):
Yeah, paperwork often gets so out of hand for
this, especially kitchencountertops and your kitchen
table, you know.
yeah, we've seen lots of, ofhouses where you barely, you
can't, you have to move thingsinto the kitchen table to even,
you know, put your papers downto talk to somebody or eat.
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They're just kind of Mark'sparents were like that.
It was just like, you kind ofhad to shove a little area.
Um, and that stuff justaccumulates and we get that.
And there's other podcasts youneed to listen to about paper
and how to handle it.
So we can not have that allover, um, your, your surfaces.
But yeah, a lot of it, I thinkwhat happens is you even with
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knickknacks and shelves and allof that stuff is you just,
again, you add and add and addand you just never really take
away.
So when you look at it with afresh eye, it looks crowded.
And when you, you know, firstput those shelves together they
didn't look crowded because youdidn't have as much stuff but
then you got some more thingsand you put them in there and
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you put them in there and youput them in there and same with
nightstands stuff really canaccumulate on your nightstands
or your bathroom counters youknow maybe you have so much
stuff that you you knowmedicines and lotions and
whatever that you don't put itin underneath or put it away and
maybe if you cleaned out allthe ones underneath that you
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don't use, then you could putthe ones that you do use away.
Heather Fisher (27:36):
Yeah.
It's a whole different mentalstate going through your day in
the house if there's a lot moreclean surfaces.
It's just mentally.
We've talked about thatdistraction study.
Yeah.
life will feel easier andlighter and freer and you'll get
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more done on other things ifthose surfaces are not Well, and
think
Jodi Rosko (28:06):
about how much easier it is to wipe down the
counters or wipe down thebathroom sink or clean the
kitchen table if there's not allkinds of stuff on it that
you're trying to clean around ormove around
Heather Fisher (28:16):
and all of that.
Closets are full.
Everything behind closed doorsare still full.
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If you've made an impact onyour flat surfaces, it will feel
so great at the end of day sixto go through and have done a
sweep and reduced that back tothe 80-20 rule.
You could probably get rid of80% of what's there and not miss
it, not need it.
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Right.
So even if you got rid of
Jodi Rosko (28:58):
30 or 40 or 50% of it, it's going to be...
Heather Fisher (29:02):
Yes.
Great.
Yes.
It will also make, let's say,like the next steps of pulling
stuff out of a closet or acupboard or whatever.
If you're not pulling it into aroom that's cluttered, it
actually gives you that mentalspace to work.
to work and to sort somethingas you're going through it.
Jodi Rosko (29:23):
Right.
If you're cleaning out yourkitchen cabinets and what you
need to do one cabinet at a timeis take everything out and put
it on the counter and look at itand be like, oh, I haven't used
that in 10 years.
You know, if the counter isalready full of stuff, it's
really hard to do that.
Heather Fisher (29:38):
Yeah.
I think in general, We keep somuch on our kitchen counters
that we use infrequently.
If you take just a glancearound your kitchen, if you're
using something daily, thenmaybe that is the best place for
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it.
But if it's an appliance thatyou're using once a month, once
every two weeks for somethingdaily, try your hardest to find
a cupboard to put that in orthink about do I really need it
at all and can I get rid of itbecause it's hard to cook if
there's just appliance afterappliance taking up that depth
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on the counter yeah so okay flat
Jodi Rosko (30:22):
surfaces clean yes day six done day seven involve a
buddy So invite somebody tohelp you declutter or just talk
to you about the process.
It could be your kids.
It could be a friend.
It could be a downsizingperson.
It could be an
Heather Fisher (30:41):
organizer.
Jodi Rosko (30:42):
Yep.
Yep.
So third parties have differentlenses around what's going on.
And sometimes that can be veryhelpful sometimes.
Your kids, sometimes that canbe helpful and sometimes it
cannot.
It just depends on the kids andyour relationship with them.
So if your kids are going to besupportive and, you know,
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that's good, then them.
If not, maybe you need a thirdparty friend or family.
organizer that can help youwith
Heather Fisher (31:10):
that.
Yeah.
I think we're on day seven now.
So if you have just been like,Oh, I am feeling so good.
This is awesome.
I'm ready.
What's next?
What's next?
What's next?
Then maybe that is justinviting a friend over to do it
with you or, you know, youradult kids and, and that's going
great.
If you are like, wow, it's dayseven and I'm struggling to do
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these things each day.
And I don't, I still don't havean idea where to start or I'm
struggling with the task, thenthat may be a big hint that a
professional is someone that canhelp you move along because you
know all of this once you'rethrough this 10-day jump start
it's repeating a lot of this soif it's a struggle there are
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resources out there that aregreat and can give you that
perspective and that physicalhelp and you know talk through
some of the emotions around itas well
Jodi Rosko (32:07):
well and I think I mean everything everything in
our house has a story but notall the stories are important to
tell right yeah I mean if Ijust have you know shirts in my
closet that I need to get getrid of.
There's not a lot of thingsthat I need to tell somebody
about.
But if I'm dealing with thingsthat are a little bit more
sentimental or emotional, thensometimes I just need to tell
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the story around that thing tosomeone who will listen to that
story.
And it's easier to let go ofthat thing once you've told the
story around it.
And so that's kind of part ofwhat involving somebody, a buddy
is.
They can help you get throughthe things that are a little bit
more emotional or that you justwant to share.
You know, you want to shareyour stories, photo If you're
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doing photos, that's a greattime to have somebody else there
to talk about the people in thephotos and the experiences that
you were having and things likethat.
So some of this stuff, when yougo through it, will not be
emotional.
Some of this stuff will belike, I should have gotten rid
of this years ago and I stillfeel great about it.
And some of this stuff is goingto be like, oh, this is really
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hard.
Yeah.
That's what the buddy person isthere for.
Heather Fisher (33:16):
Yeah, and sometimes it's just nice to help
the time pass.
Yeah.
And you're just getting, youknow, it might be the junk
drawer or the kitchen cabinetsor whatever.
I know you had a friend helpyou with your kitchen, and it
just goes quicker and easier.
You're chatting.
You're chatting.
You're not necessarily aboutthe stuff.
It's just an enjoyable way tospend time with people that you
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care about.
Jodi Rosko (33:41):
Well, and if you get that person, have that person
be somebody who's like,honestly, you don't use that, do
you?
Don't have that person be likethe saver of everything.
Heather Fisher (33:51):
Oh, I'll take that.
If you don't want it anymore,then you're going to be at their
house next week doing the samething.
Yeah, so.
Jerry Seinfeld say, eBay, we'rejust mailing our trash back and
forth to each other don't dothat with your buddy you don't
press it back and forth
Jodi Rosko (34:07):
right right so you want somebody who's gonna help
you with the process andunderstand the process that
you're trying to to do
Heather Fisher (34:15):
yeah yeah okay so day seven I hope you all had
lots of fun with your friendover because we're diving into
day eight we're back to anotherharder a stuck category
Jodi Rosko (34:27):
yeah
Heather Fisher (34:28):
so we you know you'll notice in this little
jump start plan um which i thinkis a good strategy all the way
through When something getshard, bounce out to something
that's a little easier.
Take a day that's a little lessinvolved emotionally or
physically.
So we've done that a few times.
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Now we're going to choose onecategory that we're stuck on.
It could be clothing.
It could be books.
It could be your familyheirlooms.
It could be boxes and boxesfrom somebody else's house that
or in your garage or your atticyour basement you know let's
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talk a little bit about some ofthose tips for sorting through
those things quickly and makingdecisions
Jodi Rosko (35:21):
yeah so I think I think we we have had a lot of
people who have gotten thingsfrom their family and things
that they don't necessarily wanti'm not even sure their family
wanted them but then they hadthem and felt guilty and passed
them down because they couldn'tmake those decisions um and so
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that's a place where you couldhandle a stuck category and just
honestly give yourself thepermission to not have to keep
it if you don't want it um soyou ask your family if they want
it if there's Ask, though.
Don't then just give it to themas the next hand down of guilt.
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Because guilt's not a gift,right?
And then if not, if you love itand you are displaying it and
you are using it, great.
If it's in a box in thebasement or the attic and you
just have it because you haveit, it's time to let it go to
somebody else who wants it.
So if that's family, fantastic.
If that's not family, thengreat.
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We have a lot of resources fordonation on our website at
downsizingroadmap.com.
Or if you're in a differentarea, you can find some really
great places to donate things.
Heather Fisher (36:38):
Yeah, where it can be impactful and meaningful
to the recipient.
So I guess
Jodi Rosko (36:43):
when we're doing that stuck stuff, it's just are
you going to use it?
Are you going to love it?
Those are the questions thatyou need to be asking yourself.
Are you displaying it, youknow?
Heather Fisher (36:53):
Yeah, and what's it keeping you from?
That's a great day to pull outthat dreamy list from day one
that is holding on to all ofthis, keeping me from the things
on this list.
Yeah, because it's not going tofit.
Yeah, you honestly can't getfrom here to there without going
through all of these.
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And in what way could I take apiece of why this category is
important to me Yeah.
Yeah.
There are ways, just like howyou took just the salad plates
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from your mom's extensive chinacollection.
I saw it all laid out at thehouse.
I mean, every serving bowl andplatter and teacup and saucer,
but you honor it so much byenjoying and loving the salad
plates from that collectionevery year and so much less to
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store.
Right, and it
Jodi Rosko (38:08):
still feels the same to me.
Heather Fisher (38:10):
Yeah, and it brings back all of the memories
of the Christmases where you hadthat full set at your mom's and
your grandma's house so lookfor ways to do that to move past
those categories and feel goodabout them not feel like oh
those ladies on the podcast toldme to throw away everything I
love right no
Jodi Rosko (38:30):
throw away all the things you don't love yeah keep
the things you
Heather Fisher (38:33):
do love keep what you love and honor them
yeah so that you're keeping thememories that you love and
enjoying them every day insteadof dusty boxes so yeah so that's
day eight And almost done.
We're getting to the end of 10days.
Day nine, this is an importantone.
So way back on, I think, daytwo, maybe, or day three, when
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we set up those zones, hopefullyyou've put things in the trash
box and the donation box and thekeep box should be put back
into the house every day and themaybe box.
But it's time to make adonation drop soon.
get it out of the house so ifyou haven't started yet and you
want to you know schedule thatnine days from now if you're
(39:20):
starting tomorrow you knowschedule that and and someone
can come pick it up if not youknow pack up that car and drive
it to wherever you're wanting todonate.
Like Jody said, we've got a lotof places that are great, but
get it out of the house.
Move it out of the space beforeit creeps back in, before it
(39:40):
gets pushed further into acorner of the garage and
becomes...
more stuff that you have to gothrough again in a few years.
Jodi Rosko (39:49):
Yeah, you don't want it to be, you don't want it to
sit around long enough that youdon't remember what it is, and
then you have to go through itagain.
Like, it's like one and done.
You touched it, it's done,moving on.
So...
Back when I was having somegarage sales, because Mark
thought that was a great idea,and I actually don't love garage
sales, but when that washappening, he would make sure
(40:09):
that we had boxes so thatwhatever didn't sell at the
garage sale was absolutely notcoming back in the house.
And so he would literally packit up as soon as the garage sale
was done and take it straightto Goodwill or whatever donation
place that you were looking at,and it would be out of the
house and never...
come back in the house becausethat's an easy thing to do to
(40:32):
rethink it
Heather Fisher (40:33):
yeah
Jodi Rosko (40:33):
over and over
Heather Fisher (40:34):
yeah and I think that that that's a great spot
where people that want to helpyou through this process if if
that's hard for you physicallyif it's boxes if it's a lot if
you've done a great job andthere's lots to move out call in
those resources a friend aneighbor your adult kids and you
(40:54):
know say hey let's have somecoffee and can you help me get
all of this to the donationcenter and you know everybody
would be thrilled to help withthat you've already made the
decisions and you know there'shelp to do that and it's so
freeing once it's moved out ofthe house and it's done
Jodi Rosko (41:14):
yep for sure and then it gives you room to do
more work right so yeah make thedonation drop or call for call
for it and get a pickup and havethem pick up some you know
things and yeah clear it out alittle bit day 10
Heather Fisher (41:29):
Day 10 is a celebration.
Yeah.
So not a lot of work here.
Just reflecting on how it went,where your challenges were,
where you might need to pull insome outside help and where, you
know, you're confident tocontinue on that path and then
(41:49):
choosing your next plan, whetherthat's laying out your next 10
days, whether it's starting, youknow, back at day one and
picking, you other zones to gothrough, just laying out that
weekly habit, that daily habitof what are you going to tackle
in what order and thencelebrating that you accomplish
(42:10):
things.
There's less in your housebecause you've been to the
donation center, you know, acouple cupboards and doors or
drawers and, you know, a couplehard things.
categories are started or allthe way finished.
So that's awesome.
And decide how you're going tocelebrate yourself.
(42:31):
Yeah.
Whether that's flowers for yournice clear countertops.
Ice cream.
Some ice cream.
That would be my choice.
Coffee, you know, just a restday and, you know, sit with a
good book and look around yournice uncluttered space and
celebrate.
Jodi Rosko (42:49):
Love that.
Heather Fisher (42:49):
So that's it.
I think we've hit all 10 days.
Perfect.
And, you know, this is justdesigned to give you that
jumpstart.
If you don't know where tostart, this will get that ball
rolling and get the momentumstarted.
And then you just keep onkeeping on.
Jodi Rosko (43:06):
Yeah, nothing, no perfect way to do it.
Just start.
Yeah.
And, you know...
80% good enough is good enough.
Heather Fisher (43:15):
Like it doesn't
Jodi Rosko (43:15):
have to be perfect.
Heather Fisher (43:16):
Done, not perfect.
Right.
Exactly.
Done,
Jodi Rosko (43:19):
not perfect.
That's right.
Heather Fisher (43:20):
Yeah.
So awesome.
Well, if you guys havequestions, if you'd like this
list, you can always reach outto us on downsizingroadmap.com
and just send us an email andask for the copy of the 10 days
so you can work through ityourselves.
And we can't wait to hear howit goes for you.
Share your progress with us.
Yeah.
Okay.
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Well, we will be back foranother Thanks for joining us on
the Downsizing Roadmap podcast.
If you found this episodehelpful, be sure to subscribe,
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Until next time, let's keepsimplifying and moving forward.
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