How Much Trouble Are Superhero Movies In?, James Gunn vs, Kevin Feige, Chris Hemsworth Staying As Thor?, 'Heat 2' with Leo?, New Chalamet Movie + We're Done With George Clooney

Episode Rundown:

- Fantastic Four box-office plummets + how much trouble are superhero movies in?

- Marvel vs. DC

- James Gunn vs. Kevin Feige

- Chris Hemsworth as Thor past Doomsday?

- Spider-Punk movie in the works

- Matt Smith in Star Wars: Starfighter

- 'Heat 2' with Leo?

- Chalamet in James Mangold's new bank heist movie

- Margot Robbie as Tim Burton's 'Fifty Foot Woman'

- Trailer Round-Up and we're sick of George Clooney

Episode Transcript

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This is the Drive In podcast Take One.

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Howdy Doody. Welcome to episode 480 of TDI.
This is Doctor O on the horn to start per usual and as always
I'm joined by my Co host, my best friend and box office
prognosticator Ricky Flicks. How are you my friend?

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Have you checked the numbers this week?
Is the MCU dead? I don't think they're dead.
This is going to be a little bitof a conversation before we get
to the check up. We got to talk about the state
of the MCU superhero box office.So I think that one of the
hugest or one of the biggest stories of the week is Fantastic

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Four. First steps dropping, not over
50%, not over 60%, but over 65% in its second weekend, 66% drop
only made $40 million. Second weekend, $198,000,000
total. So I guess like a silver lining
through all this, Ricky Flex, isthat our prediction, or I should

(01:31):
say, your prediction is looking pretty good that domestic box
office Superman may be pulling off the dub alongside James
Gunn. Yeah, And I will say the
worldwide box office we want to keep an eye on.
I know it's not official bold prediction, but if Superman
beats Fantastic Four at the worldwide box office, I like

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again, I was speaking in hyperbole off the start here,
like I like, I think we always do.
But if we actually get real here, if Superman does beat
Fantastic Four at the worldwide box office, we might be seeing a
slight changing of the guard. Like Avengers are still coming.
I still think the MCU will come back with a Tour de force in a

(02:12):
couple years. But it was just interesting to
see. I think that'll be like a true
prognosticator of like, wow, theMCU might actually like, it
might be MCU fatigue. Not just superhero fatigue, MCU
fatigue. Might might be MCU fatigue, but
like it's going to be on the up and up when it comes to 2026,

(02:33):
most likely with their most profitable hero in his fourth
solo installment with Tom Holland.
Spider man brand new day Sony movie, but still part of the
MCUI get it like Disney deal with Sony, but still a part of
the MCU and doomsday. Someone's got to move off that

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that release date with do Messiah.
It's going to be a battle for the IMAX screen.
If one can't get the IMAX screen, dude, that's a lot of
dollars and cents. I feel like someone has to move.
We've talked about that before, but what what else does this
say? Because is it?
I thought Fantastic Four was going to have a better showing
their big name heroes, but theirmovie installments over the

(03:18):
years have not been a smash at the box office the way a lot of
other solo projects have done for Marvel.
For DC. What is your take away that
Fantastic Four first steps dropswith the basically the first
lead into Doctor Doom and the return of these heroes being
teased? Like what's going on here with
Marvel? Like why is it a 66% drop?

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We were talking about both thesemovies potentially being billion
dollar entities and none of themwill be even close.
Neither of them will be even close.
Yeah, I think a couple things, but I think first and foremost,
I think we oversold the Fantastic Four as a character
group. I I think maybe they aren't as a
listers as we thought. I think that's a or at least to

(04:03):
the general movie going audience.
They don't look at it like a Superman.
They don't look at it like a Spider man, which again, those
are a plus. But you would think Marvel's
first family, the Fantastic Four, you would think, oh, a
minus. Then if you put in that
perspective, I think the generalmovie going on is looks at him
like AB minus. I think we kind of, I don't

(04:24):
think we are overselling it froma comic book's perspective.
I just think for a general moviegoing audience, a movie where
2015 disaster, Rise of the Silver Surfer not great and we
just went 3 movies in the 21st century.
All of them you would say critically substandard.
Maybe the Fantastic Four is a property right now is not great.

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And then on top of that, maybe Pedro Pascal isn't that guy that
we think he is, as in everyone loves him.
Maybe some people, like we talked about fatigue, maybe
people want to see less of PedroPascal and this was the last
thing that he's doing this year.And we've seen a lot of them in
2025. That could be a part of it too.

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So I think overall, like besidesthe MCU fatigue, I think it's
just a combination of like maybethe Fantastic Four just aren't
that big right now. And they tried to have pretty
well known actors a part of the Fantastic Four.
Pedro Pascal, I guess we talked about this being a test of
whether he can be a list movie star.

(05:28):
He's in everything. But how do those movies do?
This was the biggest test. Like, can he do a substantial
movie inside the MCU in his debut project and is not doing
great. You know, we liked him in the
movie. You know, it seems like other
people might be a little bit divided on his performance, but
Joseph Quinn's in this movie, even Moss Bacharach, Vanessa

(05:48):
Kirby, It's Oscar nominated actors, Emmy winners, right?
And actors that are popular, popular with young audiences.
And they still can't sell this movie and Fantastic Four.
They're going to be huge coming up like that.
I'm hoping this is going to be carry over.
It is the first movie, you know,for this group, right, This

(06:08):
particular rendition of the Fantastic Four.
So usually the sequel will do better, but it's just
interesting when you look at Superman, which had a 54% drop,
it's doing better financially, but it's not like it's still
Superman and still going to makeprobably less than what $600
million total at the box office maybe around there.
That's still, that's pretty low for Superman as well.

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So I, I'm also not looking at itas just a, I mean, a Marvel
problem. I'm looking at like superhero
movies in general. And I think that we're going to
be blinded by next year with Spider Man, which is a
guaranteed $2 billion Doomsday, if they move off that date, a
guaranteed 2 billion dollars. I think that's just like it's

(06:51):
all smoke and mirrors and it comes down to us not being built
up properly with the MCU characters not having much
continuity or it's failed promises of the continuity, you
know that. So I think it's just like kind
of the whole phase four and five, we haven't had that
latching on to the characters that we had in the first 3

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phases, starting with their debut projects leading into
right, the massive team up movie, you know, and Superman, I
get it, it's starting of a universe.
We kind of lost trust in DC. We're just off to a right, like
a good footing, you know, But I think in general superhero
movies, we are on the brink of it's not collapse, but like

(07:34):
disaster. If like somehow a brand new day
doesn't do well or doomsday, that's when you're really in
like, OK, this is like the deathof the Western back in what, the
the 60s? It's like that.
I I would have put it in that that's like.
If if Brand New Day and Doomsdayboth are like, shockingly like
low at the box office. The I, I don't think so because

(07:57):
I think some people are freakingout or like happy about this.
Not like probably Martin Scorsese is like pumping his
first in the air. Let me just tell you something,
people without superhero movies,a lot of the films that you
consider capital F films won't exist.
So you need them to be successful.
So I just wanted to get that outthere and kind of to rebut the
Superman comment. Superman's already made more

(08:20):
than Man of Steel domestically and and that's a huge win
because it's already made more domestically than 2013 at a time
when the superhero boom was postAvengers and it already made
more than that. So I think that's a big dub.
And especially now internationally without China,
like sure, like ban of steel made 670 million, but why?

(08:40):
That was China. This is without China, this is
going to make 600 million. That's a huge win.
So like I, I would say just put that in perspective.
And then also another thing I would say that you were alluding
to that I I think was a great point, which is people aren't
latching onto these characters. Now Marvel's first family, a
family, these stars, Fantastic Four.

(09:01):
Marvel thought people will latchonto these characters.
All right. But what is the difference I
think with this movie versus a lot of things in Phases 3 and
four and even like a couple movies that come out recently in
the MCU, I did not see this again.
I didn't see this twice. I think a lot of people clearly
aren't seeing this twice. A lot of Marvel moviegoers,
superhero superhero moviegoers want to see it right away again.

(09:24):
And I think a lot of people aren't latching onto these
characters and saying I got to see these guys again.
I just don't think that's the case right now.
And that's a bad omen to go into.
Like, again, going to this next phase of the MCU.
This movie kicked off the next phase of the MCU and these guys
are going to be at the core of The Avengers movies coming up
and in the future of Marvel. People aren't latching onto
these characters. That's a bad sign.

(09:45):
So again, I, I'm not pressing the panic button.
I know it sounds like it. I'm not because I have faith in
Doomsday. I have faith in Secret Wars and
then the X-Men thereafter. But I just think maybe from a
Marvel strategy perspective, we need to start writing these
movies a little differently and not just being so formulaic and
also make sure we can grasp ontothese characters and love them

(10:06):
like we did in the 20 tens. Like we'll never get to that
extent again. But can we just get to a
character arc with these guys that were like, I want to see
these guys again? Yeah, yeah, it's, it's hard
because Superman, like just going back to that, like Man of
Steel, when that came out, that wasn't promising.
A whole world like that wasn't all these projects lined up.

(10:29):
It's not wasn't Zack Snyder doing a a whole video on the
first phase of the DC EU? They didn't even call it that
yet. They kind of didn't know like
they, they said they had hints at Aquaman and like Man of
Steel, but like you wouldn't know that watching the movie.
You would be told by Zack Snyder, oh, that was Aquaman we
had in there. It wasn't until they had Batman
VS Superman and you had the yearof Suicide Squad where it's

(10:50):
like, OK, now we're in competition with Marvel.
Like James Gunn was promising a whole world here, you know, So I
thought that would kind of help the office, but it's not really
that much different than Man of Steel.
OK, I, what was the turning point for Marvel, though?
I was going to ask you this because in my opinion, I, I want
to hear your, your take. What is the turning point where
we went from the highs of 2019 end game?

(11:15):
And you even had like Captain Marvel making a billion dollars,
right? You had all these solo, you
know, Guardians of the Galaxy. That was like a smash.
And then you had like volume to volume 3.
Volume 2 was being like heightened and like compared to
like, oh, this is like a Star Wars movie.
Like that's what literally like Peter Quill was saying, you
know, excuse me. That's how much I associate the
actor with the character. That's what Chris Pratt was

(11:38):
saying. It just seems like there was a
turning point at some time that we went from these movies not
mattering as much anymore. Like when?
What was that moment? So if you look at the box
office, like you would say, oh, like for after Avengers end
game, yeah, Far From Home did really well.
Then you have COVID, right. So Black Widow had that like

(12:00):
Disney Plus release, right? Shang Chi and Eternals had like
the COVID era releases. You can't really look at those.
And then No Way Home was a complete smash and people were
like still like, wow, like Marvel still has it, right?
And then also you have to think about this too.
One division was coming out, right?
And then what movie comes out? Multiverse and Madness?
And now it's a box office smash as well, right?

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I think the turning point was Thor Love and Thunder, where
that box office wasn't bad, but that was a significant decline
versus the last Thor movie. And also expectations was far
below. But it's like, wow, this movie
is not good and everyone knew itat the time.
And Thor Ragnarok, you could saywith Guardians of the Galaxy was
a huge like moment for the MCU, right?

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So when that didn't work, when your core Avengers doesn't work,
Black Panther, Panther will kindof forever box office smash.
But the movie itself was OK. But then Quantum Mania was like,
holy shit, like this is promising Kang our next big bad.
And that didn't go well. I just think it was that kind of
run, those three, that three movie run where it's like maybe

(13:04):
we don't have the juice anymore,you know?
Yeah, I think Quantum Mania would be like the movie moment
where you you notice, OK, like we're building up and we're
introducing potentially the nextbig bad.
You're giving Ant Man. What's a third movie, right.
So he had two and then he gets the trilogy.
Foggy always says when it comes to the third movie for a
character, they try and make it big, whether it be No Way Home,

(13:29):
obviously Avengers, like Infinity War, technically be the
third one. Deadpool and Wolverine, like you
try and make that third one likethe best or I guess the most
event, you know, feeling type ofthing.
But that's when you notice like Ant Man, Paul Rudd, we're trying
to have big heroes after end game and you're like, this guy
is not a huge hero. Like he can't, he's not Chris

(13:51):
Evans, he's not Robert Downey Junior, right?
He's not even Chris Hemsworth. I think quantum media movie
wise. But I think even before that you
got to like think about streaming wars.
You think about the year that they didn't have a project with
2020 and the first project that they come back with is ATV show
and how those have been symbol of mediocrity or even less than
mediocre or the MCU of the product and the quality went

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down. The homework goes up for
audiences. Their movies are like
referencing moments in the showsthat people have never seen.
The homework is building off. It's like an AP class.
And for something that should besuper simple, I think also a
moment I would also say 2020 because death of Chadwick
Boseman like that is someone that was going to be Black
Panther, someone that would go like Tom Holland spider man.

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And then they wanted probably Brie Larson, Captain Marvel.
And then you have Chadwick Boseman.
Like having at least Tom Hollandand Chadwick Boseman post end
game in the MCU would have been massive.
But we've been vacant like they it's been a vacancy of stars in
the MCU and Sony own spider Man.So it's not even like Tom

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Holland could pop in and out as frequently as he was back in,
you know, the 1st or I mean, thephase three of the MCU.
So I would kind of narrow down like between Streaming Wars,
Death of Chadwick Boseman and Quantum Mania was like, OK, this
is this is the new normal, I guess.
Yeah, and if you look at like a piece of paper and it's all the
like Marvel movies in release order, right?

(15:19):
You would probably say, oh, Black Panther was definitely
like the moment, right. I'm sorry, Black Widow.
Black Widow was definitely in the moment because they have
Black Widow, Shang Chi Eternals,right.
That three movie run after far from home.
What is like, wow, that's that was so bad.
But it's again, context. Like those are big swings and
misses, right, Shang Chi or big swings.
Shang Chi was a big swing. I don't think it was bad, but

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it's like Eternals was a big swing and a mess.
Everyone knew it at the time. That was bad in Black Widow.
That was like kind of like a hey, we owe you Scar Joe, right.
And everyone kind of accepted that.
So I think like, you can't really say it's that point
either. But I think if you like do like
a factors of like what you're doing, right?
And that's just one piece of thepuzzle.
I understand that, right? I, I, I just, I think Quantum

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Manium was like a might be screwed moment where it's like
Kang, like we thought worked, but then he got killed by ants
and his movie's not good. And that was the first time at
the box office Marvel, the second weekend drop when it had
a almost a 70% drop the second weekend and people were like,
shit, we can't use COVID as an excuse anymore.
It's a February release. There's literally nothing else

(16:24):
out. Like we have Paul, we have Paul
Rudd, we have we have Michael Douglas, we have Jonathan
Majors. Or covering all of our bases
here, like demographically. Like why aren't we performing at
the box office? Because the movie's not good.
And I, I also agree with you. People aren't seeing the movies
twice. I saw it twice because I
actually bought a ticket for it twice.

(16:44):
You know, that was an accident that I saw it again.
But I when I now that you brought that point up, like it's
it, the second act of that movieis pretty boring.
You know, it's a lot of talking.It's not a lot of action.
You don't get a lot of Galactus.Silver Surfer is not popping in
as much in the second act of themovie.
It's a lot of planning and a lotof silly writing.
I guess for Fantastic Four that sticks out.

(17:05):
Was a little dull a little in that second act.
I, I like the movie, but first and third act work.
But that second act kind of tough.
Did you see what James Gunn tweeted about Superman's box
office this past weekend? No.
Or he said it's a fantastic Superman had a fantastic weekend
at the box office. This guy, dude, that's low.
I so I'm starting to think, you know what Kevin Foggy says?

(17:29):
I'll be there for Superman. I'm going to be watching it.
There is no rivalry between the MCU and DCU.
So contrary. James Gunn's the opposite way.
You know, he is like, I'll be the bad guy.
Like I'm going to be the guy whowants to rip your head off type
of thing. Kevin Feige is like, if all
super hero movies do well, Like if, if DC movies do well, that
means MCU movies are going to dowell.

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And vice versa. MCU movies are going to do well.
DC movies are going to do well. And James Gunn is like, I'm
coming for your throat. MCU.
That's kind of like the vibe he gives off.
And like, it's also the way he talks about the way DC movies
operate, finished scripts. It feels like they're pointing
at Feige. It feels like they're pointing

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at the MCUDC is they're saying finished scripts.
We don't do it unless it's greenlit.
We don't green light a project unless we're 100% confident.
We talked about director's visions.
We're not having the director mold to what the DC should look
like. It's all in opposition to
Marvel. You know, James Gunn is like
openly taking on a villain role in something that people kind of

(18:33):
manufacture, the DC and Marvel rivalry.
I'm in the boat where it's like,I like both and I'm also like
rooting for both to do well at the box office because we get
more of these movies. James Gunn is just kind of he's,
he's not being so overt. But that tweet, to me, I was
like, OK, he, he has a vendetta.I like rivalries, you know,

(18:54):
sports. I think it drives box office at
sports, sporting events. Look at the WNBA, the Caitlin,
Clark, Angel, Reese kind of likestoryline, that kind.
Of got, we need some green dildos on the screen.
That's what we need. We just rivalries are always
better and it gets the juices flowing and my juices are
flowing right now. I love this James Gunn and I
think, you know, like MC right now is like Big Brother in like

(19:18):
DC for like 15 years. And I think you need that
competition from the little guy,the underdog story to kind of
fight back a little bit, you know, And I, I, I think just
kind of coming back to the original question here of like
what's wrong with Marvel or likewhat, what needs to change and
what not. I think maybe if, if, if I was

(19:41):
the Big F, Doomsday and Secret Wars don't work, maybe.
And then like DC doesn't kick off the like, sorry, the
universe doesn't like formulate very well.
But like the Elseworld projects are doing well and like
individual movies are doing well.
Maybe we just go back to the 90sand early 2000s of we're not
doing franchises anymore, like universes anymore.

(20:02):
We're doing just solo movies. Yeah, we need to go back to
that. Take a page out of DC's book,
you know. Yeah, like we just do like, oh,
Batman trilogy, oh, Spider Man trilogy, oh, there's a Blade
trilogy. Like there's individual movies.
Maybe post secret wars, yeah. Yeah, like we just, we, we, we
say no more universes where we have to connect everything.

(20:24):
I know DC is just starting to dothat, but they do have those
worlds. They're trying to do the best of
both worlds. Like maybe MCU might need to
start doing that if this doesn'twork.
And that's again, a big F because I think it will work.
But I, I, I think that's where we're headed if it doesn't.
I'll last thing before we get tothe checkup and we actually are
going to talk more James Gunn and MCU in a SEC, but James Gunn

(20:48):
is a little Quentin Tarantino coded to me that he is the
Quentin Tarantino of superhero movies.
He's the guy when you think of Tarantino and promoting Once
Upon a Time in Hollywood where he is the status as a like a
star filmmaker, an A list filmmaker.
He's in the car with Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio and he's

(21:08):
in the drivers seat. It's James Gunn on this press
tour with David Corn Sweat and Rachel Brosnahan.
And he is kind of like the viewshimself or he kind of is the top
billed person. He's the one who's selling the
movie, you know, But it feels like it was realistically needed
to sell Superman as opposed to like what Tarantino does.

(21:28):
And he kind of inserts himself. But the way the confidence and
the way he carries himself and the celebrity status, he kind of
like puts forth and saying this is a James Gunn movie The same
way Tarantino does. Like this is a Quentin Tarantino
movie. I just like was seeing
similarities there. I'm thinking about Tarantino
saying I'm not going to watch villain news, Dune, Dune
franchise. I'm not watching one and two.

(21:50):
And then you have Danny on the other side saying I don't, I
really don't give a shit. You know, you don't have to
watch the movies. But like the way he's kind of
like openly talking about like his process, what makes his
movies good, him being the star.He's a little bit Tarantino
pilled. Yeah, definitely.
Like he has to be in the press junkie.
Like he has to be like in the middle, Like he has to be in the

(22:10):
mix. Even at Comic Con during the
Peacemaker. I know he's the writer director
on that, but still. Like he feels like it was the
James Gunn show. Yeah.
It, it really does. And I, I've talked about it like
I, I don't love when directors and writers do that.
I personally don't. I, I personally like God.
What's his name now? It's the guy that did God, this

(22:32):
Spanish movie Inaritu. No, yeah, Inaritu.
Inaritu. Very self indulgent.
I hate film makers that do that.And James Garden, like D
definitely has his Gunnisms thatare in his movies.
That's a little like, hey, look at me, I'm funny.
I don't think it's too overt in his movies.
Like it isn't like a Inaritu movie.
Bardo. That's the movie I was thinking
of. Bardo.

(22:53):
Terrible Netflix movie that somehow gets Oscar nominated.
But he does it in the press. Junkies like Tarantino does.
Tarantino I think is like that'slike a part of a shtick.
James Gunn like is now definitely a part of a shtick.
But it's superheroes. Like like Tarantino once said,
the heroes are the stars, you know, the characters, that's who

(23:15):
the stars are, you know, not thewriter, director.
So I think it's just a little different between the two of
that way, but it is the same thing.
You are exactly right where Tarantino and Gunnar doing very
similar things. And just talking about James
Gunn and whether he's going to step away from the spotlight in
the future of the DCU, just go to really producing films and
making sure the the the universeis off to strong foot, strong

(23:39):
footing. David Zawslav recently said that
James Gunn will be writing and directing quote the next chapter
in the superfamily. End Quote.
OK, Ricky, I'm I'm not, I'm I'm going to just go out and say
this. I think David Zaslav just teased
that we're going to get a team up movie between Superman and
Supergirl as the quasi sequel sequel for both movies.

(23:59):
Yeah, I, I think that's -350 if you had to put like betting odds
on what he meant by that, I think that would be, and that's
very logical post Superman, postSupergirl next year.
Yep. So that's happening.
Brainiac is the villain. Put it on the board.
I think that's happening. Put it on the board.

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Next, Chris Hemsworth clarifies that his recent statement about
Thor on Instagram wasn't a goodbye message and that he's
starting new chapter with the character.
He said, quote, it definitely got misconstrued and perceived
in a different way. And quote sources to Hollywood
Reporter Ricky Flex. Do you think he's just walking
back? Like maybe he's saying I want to
be Thor pass doomsday. Do you think this is kind of him

(24:44):
backtracking a little bit from what the comment initially when
he initially made the comments? I think so.
I think it's a little bit of backtracking and it's, again,
this is a, we've seen this before in a multitude of ways,
not just superheroes, but in other facets, like I think Chris
Hemsworth's career, like if you look at it post end game or post
Thoralon Thunder, let's say likeyou have extraction franchise

(25:06):
that's exploded. And now he's doing that, he's
got this. But other than that, like he,
his individual acting career outside the franchise has not
exactly shaped out. And I think this is one way
where it's like, all right, I'm going to keep my options open.
And I I think it's smart, especially because like, he is
going to be one of the leads apparently, and The Avengers

(25:27):
doomsday and Secret Wars. So this is smart to do to say
like, hey, like going into this movie, I'm going to be one of
the leads and this isn't going to be my last time on screen,
right? So you're not expecting me to
die, but maybe he does die. I don't know.
I'm just saying like, this is like keeping the door open.
What you you should always do ifyou're an actor?
I think he went to school on Chris Evans.

(25:47):
That's literally what he did. He looked at what was the Santa
movie Red one? Was that the one?
Red 1. Red one with the Rock and JK
Simmons. I think in you can also look at
all the streaming movies that Chris Evans has done.
He's had like a couple roles where he's you see glimpses of a
movie star there. But Chris Evans only 44 years
old. I think what's Chris Hemsworth

(26:09):
like early 40s. I want to say he's like right
there. And I would say maybe even
younger than Chris Evans. I'm going to get 38 for Chris
Evans, just under 40. For Chris, how much worth you
mean? Sorry 44.
Sorry, 44 is Chris Evans. Chris Yeah, no, yeah.
What's Hemsworth? Oh.
He's got to be 41, OK? So I think it's just too early

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to give up on a hero right now that is one of the more popular
Marvel heroes. You would naturally think
Doomsday would be the end for the character, you know, And I
think he saw what it did for endgame and it was a good send off
for Steve Rogers. But he notices like, oh, like
Steve Rogers probably coming back for Doomsday and for Secret
Wars. It's not a great like you want
to have another solo project. You kind of wanted to redeem

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yourself after Love and Thunder.I, I think it's smart for him to
kind of backtrack and say this isn't really a goodbye.
Like you always got to keep thatdoor open like you're talking
about. And I think he literally saw
Chris Evans is 44 and he's kind of lost in his career.
He doesn't want to be the character, the guy, the actor
that's lost. And he was always known for the
one role. You know, just keep doing it
until you can't do it. I think that should be more of

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the playbook nowadays moving on.Not MCU, but still Marvel.
So we're going to the spider verse.
A Spider Punk animated movie is in the works.
Daniel Kaluya. We talked about him recently on
the Drive in podcast. Check out that conversation
because it's a doozy. Is Co writing the film.
This report comes from Deadline.Ricky Flex.

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Do you want to see a Spider Punkanimated movie?
It's not like I needed to see one.
I'll see it right. And then it clearly a writing is
makes makes it interesting for me.
I think that's something where it's like, all right, like he's
been trying to get more into theback office script game a little
bit like we saw with the Barney movie we talked about a little

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bit. So this makes sense.
And I would like to see like, oh, Daniel Cooley, like someone
that I love as an actor. I think he's one of the best
actors in his age range. I, I, I would love to see what
his mind's thinking behind the scenes.
And I know this is again, SpiderPunk, Spider Man universe, it's
going to have a Sony element to it.
So it'll be kind of hamstring a little bit, but Spider Punk

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isn't like a Spider Man. I, I feel like you could put
your own creative force behind it.
And I like to see what what Daniel clearly has in his back
pocket. I don't think we went to spider
punks world in Across the Spiderverse did we?
For a brief second we did, but that's it.
Like it was like outside a show that he was performing at.
Like that's it. Yeah, and you can always, if you

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don't feel like the character can stand on its own, you can
always have a different Spider man go into the world.
That's the beauty of the spider verse movies.
You know, I'm interested to see what that world would look like.
It would be kind of an overwhelming of the senses, I
think, though, if we had him consistently.
Am I? One of my big beefs with Across
the Spider verse is that I couldn't make out everything he
was saying. I had to see the movie a couple

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times to hear every line from Spider Punk.
So they got to figure that out. And I'm also thinking what other
characters we'll get spin off movies.
You know, I feel like they're going to move away from Miles
Morales because he eventually isgoing to be in live action.
So he wants to make their movieswith him, whether they're in the
MCU or not. Spider Gwen, is that going to be

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a live action thing that they'regoing to focus on or are they
going to go back into that animated world?
I love the world that Spider Gwen was in.
I'd be OK if we stayed there. I thought that was beautiful.
But I assume that character has now grown to a point where you
want to see it in live action, you know, So Spider Punk, I
guess would be one of them. You'd want to see honestly,
Spider Man 2099, that's what youwant to see.

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I think that would be that wouldbe really cool.
I don't think I have a huge clamoring to see Spider Punk,
but it was a great a great part of across the Spider verse in a
litany of spider verse characters.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think that if you look
at it, we are getting, we have seen or are getting a lot from
the Spider risk supporting characters like Spider Gwen and

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Across Spider Risk. We kind of saw like her life
already like her origins like a little bit.
We didn't see the very start of it with her mom and what not,
but we saw that in our workings between her and her dad and the
issues going on there, right. So I think the next step for her
will be live action rather than animated, because we kind of
already got that. And we got Spider Noir series

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coming. Yep, we got a spider man noir
movie coming out and then you look at the other cast of
characters like you're not goingto do a spider pig movie, You're
not going to do the the beetle, the spider like God, the anime
character, you're not going to do that one.
Penny Parker, Penny Parker like I I feel like this is your
logical next, like, oh, like we can do a spin off of spider

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punk. And I think like, oh, like the
Indian spider man, like is we kind of already saw that.
In the working show, if you do it, yeah.
So like I I think like the next logical one, if you are going to
do this is spider problem, It's just like, do we need it?
No, but oh, maybe Daniel Kaluya writing it like that could be
something that's interesting, you know, put his different spin

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on it. That's where I'm kind of
leaning. Spider Noir I think should have
been animated, not live action like that.
That would have been probably the better decision and you can
still have Nick Cage do it. He doesn't have to actually do
it in live action. Whether he's in the suit or not.
You know, he's going to be there.
But I think it like you, people won't be concerned about how old
the character is. You know, the low budget quality

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that that one had. It can be a great part of the
series or it can be a detriment to that Prime series coming and
prime not very well versed with using the spider man character.
You know, I don't like they they've done pretty good with
the boys and other superhero projects, but not having spider
man character project before this might have been better in

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the hands of Phil or Chris Miller producing and they do
keep the voice of Nick Cage. You do pretty pretty cool like
animation for like a new art setting.
I think that one could have beenat, but I think spider punk
would be the next one moving on going from superhero franchises
to Star Wars. We haven't talked a lot of Star
Wars recently. Well, Matt Smith has been cast

(32:15):
as the villain in Star Wars Starfighter alongside Ryan
Gosling and Mia Goth. This is hitting theaters May
28th, 2027. This report comes from Deadline
Ricky Flicks. There's Matt Smith, the go to
villain now for any type of movie or I mean, I guess IP
movie. It seems that way it I do think

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he's got to start after this. He's got to diversify because
he's just playing either a villain or just a bad character,
like a villainous type of character.
Maybe not a villain like we see we're going to see him caught
stealing right where he's just not going to be a good guy.
I think yes, he is a great like villainous character, darker
character, but I think he has more on his back.

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I think he can do more. So this I think will be good.
I think it'll be solid. I, I should say that I, I think
it'll be solid. I think it's very safe from Star
Wars to do this. But honestly, maybe they need
that right now. Damon Targaryen which I guess is
the anti hero. Then you have a Morbius right?

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While Fred you know what his character name is but you
villain. And Morbius, it kind of has like
a villainous dark undertone of acharacter with caught stealing
now bad guy in Star Wars. This guy's typecast 100% as a
villain in every movie. He doesn't have a lighter side
to him that it that comes across.
If you do like interviews with them, that comes across.

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But there's press for the movie.They're like, no, you just look
like a villain and you're going to be stuck with that.
You know, all I think where whatis that?
Almost like I want to say like Killian Murphy, kind of like a
scarecrow. He was just kind of like always
darker undertone of a character anti hero with Tommy Shelby.
I'm trying to think of other actors like this that so early

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in their career, you look like avillain.
You will stay a villain. You know, I, I, I, I think it's
a great casting and I like that he's doing this will be the
biggest movie he's ever done andit's going to it's going to be a
hell of a payday and it's going to like, obviously he's already
doing he's already in Game of Thrones show.
So it's not like he needed that much more notoriety, but he's
cashing in for sure. Definitely cashing in.

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I, I, I think like, if you thinkabout Star Wars though, like
this is safe, right? Is.
It what do you mean safe? Like a choice like like like he
had to say yes to or like what do you mean?
No, like, oh, we need a villain.Like, we need someone that's
pretty good. Oh, let's just do Matt Smith.
He's been doing a lot right. Now it's a lazy casting.

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Yeah, lazy casting is a better word.
Because it's just like, yeah, like this guy is always the
villain, and he looks like a Star Wars villain.
You could just 100% put this guyin a hood and you're like, yeah,
Star Wars villain, right? Like Ryan Gosling, star of this
movie with Sean Levy directing. Matt Smith has the villain.
This is like the laziest. Like you don't make up of a cast
that you could imagine. You know, Mia Goth is an

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interesting one because you're trying to take her a little bit
more mainstream, but she's not the star of it, you know?
And it and you couldn't get Mikey Madison for this movie,
you know, who's like the hottestthing in the streets.
You're trying to bring her to the dark side of the IP world
before as you can like kind of spread her wings.
But yeah, I think this is those three, especially Levy coming
off Deadbool, Wolverine, Gosling, who's cashing a check

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left and right, and Matt Smith, the typecast villain.
The typecast villain as of 2020.Five yeah, and Gosling like
cashing a check, but also like so like maybe the most likeable
movie star right now post Barbielike I yeah, lazy is saying it's
the perfect word for it. It's kind of like what we
thought of Pedro Pascal being cast as Mr. Fantastic, you know,
a little bit. Safe.

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Lazy. Yeah.
Let's move on to your favorite topic of today's checkup, or at
least of the juiciest in your opinion, am I right?
I'm I'm introducing that now, but I'm about to but do you
think this is the juiciest thingfor you on the checkup?
You're right in both regards. So it's combining a few of your
favorite things. Michael Mann's Heat Too is is
facing pushback from Warner Brothers over its $170 million

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budget and is now exploring a Cofinancing deal with Apple.
Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio has spoken to Michael Mann about
starring in the movie. If he signs on, the project will
likely move forward. This comes from Puck News.
A lot of interesting elements here.
Ricky Flex. We have never heard of Leo's

(36:38):
name being thrown into Heat too.But also Michael Mann having
financial budget issues, workingwith studios, having those type
of troubles. That's not foreign to us, right?
Coming off of Ferrari and finding a distributor for that.
But what do you think here, Ricky Flex, in terms of kind of
this project is in trouble rightnow, right?

(36:59):
And let's start there, because Ialso want to find out who Leo
could be playing. Yeah, So this will happen.
I'm not nervous that this won't happen.
I think this will happen again. They're already looking at ways
of trying to finance it for Warren Bros to do that usually
they would just like pass it off, right for them to actually
trying to Co finance it. I think that is this is actually

(37:20):
a rare positive I even though itdoesn't look like that.
Apple Co finance with who for F1?
Who'd they work with? Paramount.
Paramount. OK, Yeah.
Or Skydance. But yeah, I, I, I, I think this
is new merger, but this is so hetoo.
I think what happened, OK, I'm just moving past that $170

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million budget is crazy. That is so big.
The first one had a $60 million budget 1995 movie.
I don't know, inflation is stillnot 170, but that that's a
massive budget for a bank robbing type of movie.
But that means like we're going to see some crazy shit.
I would love that for Michael Mann and potentially Leo, which

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let's go on to the Leo aspect ofthis because this is like the
juiciest part. I don't know who he would he
would play. Do you think he could be playing
Jon Voight's character? That's not no, that would be
that. Would be a man behind like the
scenes, but he gets a bigger role.

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It's a prequel that's also a sequel, you know, So I think
those prequel, that character would have a much bigger role,
especially if you. Yeah, I think he would be that
character as much bigger role inmaybe a prequel type of setting.
Yeah, I, I. What do you think De Niro?
Because like him and De Niro think of their partnership with
Scorsese, do you think he'd be De Niro in the prequel setting?

(38:44):
Yeah, I, I, I, I guess that would be, that would be it.
It would have to be the De Niro character.
And that would make sense from ameta perspective.
I just like I I'm shocked because Leo, you know, like he's
going to be in one battle after another, which isn't a bank
robbing movie per SE, but it is a rebel like like you're you're
shooting guns like you are not beautiful Leo anymore.

(39:07):
Like as in like playing a beautiful character, right.
You're more gritty. You're wearing a robe half the
movie in a like shades and winter hat.
He was in the departed dude, he could do this.
Yeah, no, he for sure could do this.
I'm just saying like it is interesting that he again, he's
going to be going from 1 battle after another to potentially
this. That that one battle after

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another, I think is huge implications for like what's
going to happen with this movie because what was the budget for
one battle after another? It was around this like 200.
$1,000,000 Right. And they're saying with Leo
signs on and if one battle afteranother does well at the box
office, which I think is pretty much a long shot, like for it to
like make back its budget or become profitable.

(39:48):
If it does that, then yeah, thismoves get made, dude.
You know, cuz that would be the same type of thing where it's,
well, it is kind of it's a sequel prequel type of thing.
But it's not a superhero franchise.
It's not like a major IP, you know, that's getting a movie
here. And I know I think the the
legacy of Heat. Is freaking like everyone that

(40:09):
now says it's their favorite 90smovie.
You know, it's kind of gotten tothat point, but I think 1 battle
after another is going to be huge, have huge implications now
for like how this movie is goingto be financed or who who I
guess puts their company name toit.
Right. Like if if this doesn't happen
before September 26th when 1 bottle after another comes out
as in this deal and let's say 1 battle after another

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surprisingly does well, then Warner Brothers might say F it.
We'll do this like without Apple.
You know, if that works, then holy shit, a Michael Mann,
potentially Austin Butler and Leo DiCaprio again back in here
for Heat 2 sequel legacy IP. Technically, that would be like
one of us would be like, fine, we're doing this ourselves.

(40:52):
Like that would be something. Butler's been rumoured for the
Kilmer role. He, yeah, he's talked about it
himself. I remember him talking about it.
I think he's talked about the book and said he would love a
part in the movie. I don't know if he actually
confirmed that he did. He say we talked to Michael
Mann. I don't remember if he actually

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said that, but it's the it's heavily.
Rumored. OK, so wait, wait, let's think
about this. Who else could be involved?
Because. Adam Driver was also linked.
But in that was for the De Niro part, right?
Yeah. So maybe no Adam Driver Leo
takes on for De Niro and you still have Austin Butler.
Like I don't know if that's an improvement or not.

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Like I feel like like Adam driver or or or Leo.
Like if it came down to those two, who would you want?
I'm a huge Adam driver guy. I know you're a huge Leo guy.
Like, I don't know, like I I feel like you're it's a win
either way, But I feel like if I'm going for the guy who's more
hard nosed, I'm going for Adam Driver and it's Michael Mann

(41:57):
relationship. I want to say yes, but now that
I'm thinking about it and I'm thinking, I am thinking of De
Niro in heat and like he's not sly, but in those non bank
robbing scenes, I I do think Leowould kind of fit that mold

(42:18):
better. OK, I, I, I would, I, you know.
Yeah, Like, yeah, with the coffee scene, a coffee shop
scene like that is Leo written all over it.
Like to do like something like that again versus a driver who I
think could do it, but I I thinkLeo would be much better at.
Well, Leo also has amazing chemistry with like the women
that he has on screen. Like that's why I think of also

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the moments where the non bank robbing moments, you know,
that's where I think Leo would be great.
But him doing the bank robbing, I don't know.
I think 1 battle after another you're you were talking about it
could be a good test to that. You know, what are the
characters from heat? Do you think we can recast right
now? Like the size more character.
Sizemore Oh man, I I, I didn't do any.

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I wish again we could have done a whole thing here.
We can save it for like next episode or maybe we do.
Maybe we could do a heat throwback review and we recast
for heat too. Yeah, at some point we, we, we
have to for sure. Maybe like when this gets
Greenland? Yeah, I was just trying to think
of, well, since we're going to talk about Julio could be
playing, you know, I don't know how they're going to do the

(43:25):
sequel part of this, by the way.Like, I don't, I never read the
book. You know, Pacino's old as fuck.
Like I don't know how they're. Doing maybe Adam Driver is the
Vincent Hannah sequel aspect of this and you have to carry the
movie in those different regards, right?
Maybe the sport of Leo sequel aspect you have to Driver.
So like you're saying like kind of like they did their past just

(43:46):
never crossed, but they're telling the story beforehand.
Yeah, right. Because like in in the book, I
haven't read the book. I'm not going to because I want
to see this movie and be surprised.
I thought there's elements of prequel and sequel.
There is so. That's what I'm saying.
Like where Adam Driver, who's great at being bombastic and
volatile and loud like, but Pinoand Vincent Hanna, I could kind

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of see that even though he's a lot taller.
I could kind of see that and then Leo kind of carrying the
prequel aspect of this movie. And you're saying that he's
going to be the Pacino aspect inthe sequel?
Yeah, the driver. That'd be confusing.
That's too confusing. I feel like if you're going to
the sequel, I thought like Pacino would come back in the
sequel part. Like how much is it going in the

(44:29):
future? I have.
OK, hold on. Let's clear the decks.
I thought you were saying whoa, whoa, whoa.
Let. Me just say what I'm going to
say again. Let's clear the decks so refresh
button reload. So we the movie will have a
sequel and prequel part, right? Flashback and present day.

(44:49):
OK, so in the present day, obviously you can't have a De
Niro in the present day, but youdo have Vince and Hannah.
Yeah, I think Adam Driver plays that character.
I know that's what I know. That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying that's confusing. Like if you have three different
people, like in this world, three different actors playing
one character, that's crazy. Well in the prequel De Niro

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would be Leo. In the present day, Hannah is
driver. Oh, I OK, I thought you were
saying forget it. This is fucking dumb.
You know, I, I, I thought you were saying that some like
Pacino would also be in the prequel, but they just wouldn't
be coinciding with the De Niro character like they're telling
the story. I see.
How Vincent Hannon will be in the prequel?

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Because he wouldn't. He wouldn't.
That's why I thought we were. I thought you were initially
talking about like Adam, like Adam Driver.
I think playing him you're saying Adam Driver playing
Pacino in the sequel. Right.
OK. All right.
Yeah. And then like, maybe you had
like, Val Kilmer, the part with Austin Butler, a guy.
Who's young? Like he can play.
In the prequel, but then somehowthe prequel element connects

(45:54):
with the present day and then you could just do make Austin
Butler look older. 'Cause you know this is like why
the movie probably won't work. Like for what we the way we are
talking about it right now. This makes me think the movie
won't work. And I like is Adam Drivers even
old enough to be the sequel? Like Al Pacino wouldn't work.
So then maybe the driver is not in?

(46:15):
Yeah, yeah, maybe. Or Leo's Jon Voight's character.
Maybe. Because wouldn't you want all
three of those guys? Wouldn't you want Leo Driver and
Austin Butler in a movie? Yeah, in the same story, like
same time period. That's what I'm saying in the
yes, yes, that is what I'm saying.
That's why you need him to play the Jon Voight character and

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have a bigger role. Speaking of movie stars, a guy
who knows he might be in heat too to the Chalmette, so talk to
* James Mangel heist thriller High Side.
The film follows a former Moto GP racer haunted by a career
ending crash as he is drawn backinto racing before his brother
recruits him for some bank robberies on super bikes.
The source is Deadline Chalmay. Sounds like a little bit of a

(47:01):
little action movie vibe from him.
Right away from Dune. We're doing modern day like like
bank heist movie talking about some super bikes.
Breggie flex. Are you OK with us?
I'm OK with it. I, I, I think it'll be
interesting to see Timmy like kind of he's doing this type of
movie. And it's kind of shocking, I
think, because I think after like his speech last year at the

(47:24):
SAG Awards, I think with Dune, like again, he that's his action
franchise. You would think you would go
back to doing not necessarily a little woman or a God, show me,
call me by your name per SE, butjust more like get back into the
dramatic acting, the Oscar, not Beatty.
But you know, I just heard a lack of a better word Beatty
movies. But for him to do this kind of

(47:45):
shows like wow like James Mangold, like reconnected back
with him after a complete unknown.
He does have a lot of respect for him and he does see
something enticing here and maybe he does again.
He looked up to Leo. Maybe he sees Leo doing 1 battle
after another. He sees Leo maybe doing he too.
It's like. All right, like.
I could do this with also a formidable director and James
Mangold and do this type of movie, so I'm OK with it.

(48:07):
I'm just a little shocked by it.It's a movie star role.
So I think he talked about beingone of the greats, one of the
best movie stars. James Mangold almost scored,
scored him an Oscar win. So go back with that guy.
The guy made, I mean, A4 versus Ferrari too.
You know, that's not the same thing.
This is like talking about a racer that now turns to a life

(48:30):
of crime and bank robberies. That element to it I don't like.
I'm interested to see how James Mangold does for that.
You know, like a darker movie potentially, but I like Chalamet
doing this because I see I couldsee him on a bike and like like
a rock star type of role. Look what it did.
Like Austin Butler was on in theBike Riders.
He look fucking cool as shit in that movie.
That movie is nothing. You still.

(48:51):
Remember Austin Butler in those stills of him on the bike?
Movie star, you know, like the James Dean type of quality.
He had the throwback of that movie.
I know this one probably is going to be modern day.
Modern day like bank heists, like I assume it's gonna be
modern day, right? Like it's certainly about saying
super bikes and shit. I don't know what that means,

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but that sounds like it's modernday.
But bank robberies, these type of like scripts are hard to pull
off in modern day. There's a reason why people do
these bank robbery movies set inthe 50s, sixties, seventies,
80s. You can just.
Walk into a bank and with a gun and just say give me the money.
Yeah, even the 90s, yeah, 90s was more attainable.
Just doesn't really happen in 2025.

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So yeah, last thing on the checkup here, Margot Robbie.
Speaking of movie stars, it's anearly conversations to join Tim
Burton's remake of Attack of the50 Foot Woman for Warner
Brothers. News broke last February that
Burton was working on a new re imagination of the 1958 science
fiction horror movie that follows A wealthy heiress who

(49:54):
grows into a giant after an alien encounter and exacts
revenge on her cheating husband.So you're Burton directing and
producing. The source comes from Variety.
Ricky, what do you think about Margot Robbie becoming the 50
foot woman? Yeah, like.
That is a big role, literally. And I think Tim Burton, like

(50:15):
he's a wacky director. Like you're thinking
Beetlejuice, you're saying Nightmare Before Christmas,
Alice in Wonderland, like this kind of fits that mold for him.
You know, a little wackier movie.
Also highly regarded director, right critically and this is a
remake, a long standing movie that is very well regarded.
I I think this works and you have a huge movie star in Margot

(50:37):
Robbie who's beautiful and you could kind of center the stage
with her. I think this is smart.
This is very clever. I'm not saying I will personally
love this movie, but I think just overall I this does fit.
I just thought of Barbie and I think of 2001 scene at the in
the beginning and her towering over like The Cave, the Cavemen

(51:00):
and women. I think that this is also kind
of a movie star role. I think Warner Brothers just
pumped that Margot Roby back, you know, after Barbie, one of
the most profitable movies ever.Margot Roby is, you know, one of
the great movie stars that we have doing a Tim Burton movie.
I'm like Tim Burton's back, Tim Burton's back.
You can get Margot Roby to do one of his movies.

(51:21):
That's pretty cool. I've never seen Attack the 50
foot woman. I will have to see it.
And I think you do some really cool like film, you know, the
way the movie shot type of things, you know, or this.
And with someone with Tim Burton, master of like
creativity and someone that can make this, I guess a little bit
terrifying, but also you don't have some heart to it.

(51:44):
That's what Tim Burton does best.
Yeah, and then I'll just say this too.
Like wonder. Sorry wonder.
Margot Robbie has that first look deal with Warner Brothers,
right? And she's doing Wuthering
Heights, which is coming out in February with Jacob Allordy with
Warner Brothers. Huge.
Oh, coming on, you said February.
Yes, as of right now, we'll see if it keeps getting delayed

(52:04):
because of all the strikes and whatnot.
I believe it's February. But yeah, February 14th,
Valentine's Day. That makes sense.
But that's this. Again, just read this.
Warner Brothers continuing to build with these movie stars,
right? And I think that's big.
And especially like when we did the news whatever last week or

(52:25):
the week before where like Tom Cruise has that first look deal.
But that's also like a like thisDoug Lyman movie's budget is
going crazy. Just take a look elsewhere,
right? But this is 1 where it's like,
oh, let's try to tackle this with Margot Robbie, another
movie with her. That's a good sign for Warner
Brothers and Margot Robbie, right?
And her lucky 72 whatever entertainment production

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company. It's pretty cool.
And Chalamet has one with WarnerBrothers as well.
Yeah, he has a first look as well, I believe.
Yeah, those are the three of thebiggest we got.
It's like, again, it's big for Warner Brothers.
It's. Massive.
Just as big as the 50 foot woman.
Lucky. Chap Entertainment is the
production company, by the way. That's Margot Robbie's.

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Yes, lucky chap, I said. Lucky 72.
I don't know why. OK, well, yeah, dude, this is
big in terms of big IP and moviestars.
What a check up. What a check up, but really
quick trailer roundup. I think we should bring up
something. I wanted to talk about something
really quick first, the trailer for Oh Man, I don't know how to
pronounce this person's name, but I think it's Hikaru's Rental

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Family starring Brendan Fraser. The film's following a
struggling actor who's hired as a token American guy for a
Japanese rental family company in Tokyo.
Hitting theaters November 21st. This is I think debuted at a
Film Festival. I forgot which one that it
debuted at November 21st. It's got kind of an award season

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release. Brendan Fraser, Oscar winner for
After the Whale from Aronofsky. This people are talking about
this potentially being a contender for Best Picture and I
kind of wanted to kind of show love to Brendan Fraser.
Could he be in line for a secondOscar nomination for this movie,

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Ricky, because it has a lot of sentimental value to it.
It's got the shallow man who whokind of has his heart grow like
the Grinch a little bit. I this movie, I don't know if
I'm, I guess I'm looking forwardto it because of all the buzz
around it and I love Brendan Fraser, but I think it's going
to melt my heart. And I think it there's a good
chance like this one with the release date and everything,
could be an award season Oscar movie.

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They're definitely playing it that way, right?
The release date. Brendan Fraser in the lead here.
Sentimental, like you mentioned during that awards run
Thanksgiving time and I think animportant element.
This is premiering at the Toronto Film Festival.
OK, it hasn't premiered yet. Not yet, not yet.
And Toronto, if it wins Toronto,Toronto has a really good ratio

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of if you win the Toronto Film Festival, you're a Best picture
nominee. So if it wins that this will be
something to look for November 21st to Hey, this is a potential
Oscar buzz movie. I'm looking at this thing that
just popped across my timeline, it says Warner Brothers says
they intend to release 12 to 14 movies per year.

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One to two Warner Brothers majorfranchise films.
One to two DC studio films. 3 to4 new line releases including
horror. One to two animated films.
One to two Modesty budgeted original films.
Sounds good on paper. Warner Brothers is killing it
right now. It don't they have weapons?

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Yes, OK. Who they with though?
It's not new line right? I'm trying to think weapons,
who's that company? Warner Brothers?
No, there's no other studio attached to it.
Wow. So they outbid Warner Brothers.
The guys is looking to Co finance the Michael Mann E2
outbid for $45 million for weapons bro.

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I like I know a lot of people shit on Zoslov but like they're
kind of killing it. Like when it comes, they they if
like weapons argue like people are saying the best movie of the
summer, best horror movie of theyear, potentially alongside
sinners. And then they're they have
Superman launching the new DCU. It seems like they got it going

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on right now. And we just talked about the
deals with Margot Robbie, MargotRobbie and Tom Cruise and
Chalamet. They're freaking killing it
right now, No. Yeah, so New Line is a part of
Warner Brothers. Yep.
And they bought the rights. So just to clarify that just to
kind of, but they are dude, and they get a lot of Flack, but

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under the radar, they're making smart moves on the studio side,
you know, and a lot of the cost cutting initiatives and whatnot
looks bad when David, David Zozloff spending so much money
and making over $60 million a year.
But if you look underneath the red Hood or the hood it it does
look enticing. Is that a Batman reference?

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I accidentally said Red Hood. Yes, I meant.
Under the red hood. Under the underneath the red
hood, this this trailer right upkind of sucks.
That's why I just kind of like, I don't want like Brendan
Fraser, we'll see you at the Oscars.
You'll get inaugurated again, whatever.
And then this one kind of pissedme off.
The first trailer for No Obama Box J Kelly starring Clooney and
Adam Sandler film falls a movie star in his 60s who faces down a

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personal reckoning from those around him.
December 5th on Netflix. Dude, I hate George Clooney.
Like I've gotten to the point where I hate George Clooney.
Like this movie, I bet it's going to be fine.
I love Adam Sandler. I'm literally only going to
watch this so I get fast throughFast forward through to the Adam
Sandler scenes. Like George Clooney, this movie
is totally a play on himself. You know, the guy in the trailer

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references like I do. I play myself in every movie.
I think George Clooney actually talked about that in a recent
interview he had. Like this is basically we're
watching George Clooney go through his midlife crisis on
screen. A guy who's already in my, my
opinion, pretty intolerable of adude, a guy who thinks that he
has to have a say about everything as well.

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We don't talk politics on here, but he pisses me off in terms of
like him. He is like the guy when you
think of we don't care what you think as an actor, you know,
this is the guy who took out a freaking page in the newspaper
to tell Biden what to do. Like, like he is the master of
the universe. I, I, I am not a George Clooney
guy. I'm just putting that out.

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I love him in Ocean's 11. But at night he's had his moment
in the 2000s sucked in wolves mailed it in completely.
I, I, I, I'm just Fast forward to the Adam Sandler scenes here.
I might cut this from the pod. Ricky.
I don't know if I could leave this in, but what do you think
about it? Clooney overrated in my opinion.
I've I've been saying that for years.
I defended Tarantino when he made his comment about Clooney.

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This trailer reminded me of Bardo to bring back the Bardo
reference, a very self indulgent, even though it's Noah
Baumbach. Like this is like Noah Baumbach
I think is a great writer director, but this clearly was
like, hey, George Clooney, like let's do something together and
George Clooney is like, let's just talk about a.
Minute later, let's just let's just make a movie about me.
Adam Sandler I will say like this, I will, I will be watching

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this for Adam Sandler because this will get an awards run.
You know, people look at bomb back Clooney, Sandler.
After. Hollywood.
Hollywood loves Hollywood. This will be an Oscars push
movie from Netflix, the probablythe biggest studio that has
pushed for an Oscar, a best picture that is, but any Oscars
in general, and they spend the money to do so in their

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campaigns. This will get a major campaign.
Unfortunately, we will have to talk about this come January,
February, March leading up to the Oscars.
But maybe The Sandman will get abest supporting now I'm out of
it that that's why I will watch this movie.
Yeah, I I would love that. So it's it's just too meta, like
this is too meta. But we're going to have to

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review it and it's net Netflix push.
You know that they they they will be around for what's their
big movie for this award season?They have one.
Well, I think that's the one, dude.
May Kelly is wow. Yeah, they they have Knives Out
coming in December. Yeah, Knives Out will be a big
one. Not I won't.

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I don't think it's going to. Maybe it'll get a nomination or
something like that. But Stranger Things, they're
huge bet this fall, like winter fall.
Yeah, I was. I meant like like.
Think about this. You have Bardo.
Like, like Maestro. You know, like.
That's this one. That is this one.
Yes, yeah, they're they're maestro, they're bardo.
That's J Kelly. And think about this run for
Netflix and Christmas, right? Or let's just start Thanksgiving

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week. So Thanksgiving week they have
Stranger Things come out Part 1.Then the week after that they
have J Kelly. The week after that they have
Wake Up Dead Man Knives Out. The week after that they have
the next run of Stranger Things Part 2.
Then the week after that Christmas Eve, they have the
final part in Stranger Things. So they basically like are

(01:01:00):
trying to own your screen time at home from Thanksgiving
through the holidays. Holiday season will be Netflix
time. I don't know how Jay Kelly is
going to do in terms of streams and everything, but I like
Maestro. I, I like that movie.
You know, I thought that was good, good Bradley Cooper
performance. I actually watched that twice.
Yes, yeah, I did too. And I just not only because we

(01:01:21):
were talking about on the podcast, but like I just that
movie was good to me. You know, I thought I was I was
good. Dozen for the trailer roundup,
dozen for episode 480. Make sure you guys are staying
tuned to the podcast. Make sure you're subscribed and
following on either Apple or Spotify because we are talking
about one of the biggest movies of the year on Monday's episode.
We are talking Weapons, we're talking Zach Kreger's follow up

(01:01:44):
to Barbarian, we're talking Julia Garner, we're talking Josh
Brolin, we're talking 100% on Rotten Tomatoes right now.
An exciting time if you like horror movies because the week
before we had together. We'll see if we'll talk
together. I think Weapons is going to hold
Saw. It last night.
You saw it. You saw it together.
I did. You want to give a little tease

(01:02:06):
about like what that was? You want to save it or what?
I will say that what I will say though.
Weapons now certified fresh 95% after 101 reviews and Rotten
Tomatoes. Hell yeah, Hell yeah.
I cannot wait for that. I got that movie in the auction
and I was so ecstatic I had it. Ricky Flex I I'm wondering what
the box office is going to do. Got a little bit of a runway

(01:02:28):
now. Doesn't seem like Marvel's going
to be infringing too much. I think with like the positive
word of mouth, this movie, I think this is going to be a
monster. I think people are going to be
like saying sinners or weapons, weapons or sinners after this
movie. We'll talk about that on Monday.
Make sure you guys are subscribed to the YouTube at
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Last thing. So we have been thinking about
how do we cover news stories that happen after we record
things that happen on the weekend so we don't have to wait
until the next Friday to talk about it.
We're going to be debuting a short form of the Drive In

(01:03:10):
podcast this Monday. So it will be, if you didn't
listen, obviously maybe skipped around this episode and you went
different time stamps, maybe things happened over the
weekend. We're going to have a short form
of the checkup. We're bringing back the Express
checkup. It's going to be in podcast
form. We will have that early next
week to cover everything in the industry.
We're talking box office castings, we're talking new

(01:03:33):
directors, we're talking about anything studio that'll be on
this, the short form episode, Regiflex.
Anything to add there? Now it's going to be great
again. Just get your fix in, maybe
cover anything that we missed. If we recorded again Thursday
night, but then on Friday something happened, then yeah,
we'll cover that too in the Express checkup.

(01:03:53):
So make sure you don't miss anything over the weekend as
well. Yeah, it'll be updated box
office for the weekend. We're giving you the reports.
You know we're hitting you Monday morning.
All right, that's going to do itfor 480.
Until next time, we will smell you.